MAX

[split patio]

I really thought you had found a 2nd path at first, lol

[north barn]

I would've tried to get a faster replay

(You can actually go around the whole level but that's obviously way slower)

No, this was just an instance of there being a random hole that I had to go into...

[split patio]

True curiosity we should never lose

[tranquil fiber]

this is my hole

[split patio]

I was definitely doing that when I started playing the game because just maneuvering the ninja was so satisfying, so trying to reach all the weird nooks and crannies of complex maps like the motherlode (or tilesets like the Che one) was nice

[fickle ether]

Put that away

[supple zenith]

Achievement unlocked: enter the hole

[tranquil fiber]

it was made for me

[supple zenith]

Man I wish we could do that kind of stuff

[tranquil fiber]

challenges my friend

toggle in hole, ninja in hole. though that does lose a bit of exploratory sensation

[supple zenith]

Invisible achievement flag entity when

[tranquil fiber]

Just make a palette

[supple zenith]

Also you wouldn’t need to beat the level to unlock

[tranquil fiber]

Ooooo yeah big

[north barn]

Agree :)

[supple zenith]

New map idea unlocked

[tranquil fiber]

THANKS A LOT EKI

what the fuck is the last jump

[supple zenith]

Ass, tbh

[olive nova]

doesn't look too bad apart from the fall on the way back

[analog plover]

Then old rugged Eddy lost all his whimsical sense of youthful curiosity and only focused on mechanically going from point A to point B 😔

[late wyvern]

vector7 has 7 out of 150 highscore overall 0th scores for Max mappack.

[analog plover]

The boards are going crazy today they're nothing like what they were a few hours ago

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho v1 in palette vasquez:

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: vector7 - 87.628829 01: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 02: Eddy - 87.628103 03: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 87.627900 04: vertexv - 87.627345 05: Slomac - 87.627010 06: pralkarz - 87.621717 07: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 08: aight - 87.595397 = 09: Kostucha - 87.583890 10: kkstrong - 87.576908 11: CeramicBlue - 87.574843 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 12: Wobert - 87.288342 13: Emmoji - 87.193760 14: auds - 87.132873Scores: 15.

[analog plover]

I wasn't aware of this level

[frigid summit]

Makes sense, no?

[split patio]

Counts as a 629 in my book

This is not as simple as the greatest level ever made though

[analog plover]

Luck? In my ninja game?

[split patio]

Yeah we only do maths around here vector

[frigid summit]

Meth? In my ninja game?

[analog plover]

we do maths with the vectors

true 🙏

[frigid summit]

You could get credits to reset your time to 90 seconds, $20 for 100.

Then you have a truly modern take on N++.

Microtransactions in your ninja game, out now.

[split patio]

Real life can also be extended with gold often times

[analog plover]

but it's not entirely luck by the ninja it's also cause he follows the way of N (I would know I studied the story)

[split patio]

As told by the ancient ninjafarian texts

[frigid summit]

We live in a society. 😔

[fallow thorn]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-02-02

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: vector7 - 87.628829 = 01: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 87.628829 = 02: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 03: Eddy - 87.628103 04: vertexv - 87.627345 05: Slomac - 87.627010 06: pralkarz - 87.621717 07: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 08: aight - 87.595397 = 09: jp27ace - 87.592255 10: Kostucha - 87.583890 11: kkstrong - 87.576908 12: CeramicBlue - 87.574843 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 13: Wobert - 87.288342 14: Emmoji - 87.193760 15: auds - 87.132873Scores: 16.

[fallow thorn]

yes!

[analog plover]

uh oh
it might be true max

[supple zenith]

Maybe a corner kick is viable

I messed with it but it seemed finicky

[supple zenith]

This is fantastic

Praise be 🙏

@late wyvern max rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 21, 2025 (19:08) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: jp27ace        - 30
01: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 23
02: SimVYo         - 22
03: Eddy           - 18
04: Sky!           - 14
05: NateyPooPoo    - 13
06: Slomac         - 11
07: vector7        -  7
08: CeramicBlue    -  5
09: vertexv        -  3
10: aight          -  2
11: ekisacik       -  2```

[supple zenith]

Ought to pull this up every once in a while, Sim’s right things are changing fast

My little one hour or so sessions here and there are not enough to keep up with these grinders

Feeling Sisyphean out here

[analog plover]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-2

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: SimVYo - 87.629153 01: vector7 - 87.628829 = 02: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 87.628829 = 03: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 04: Eddy - 87.628103 05: vertexv - 87.627345 06: Slomac - 87.627010 07: pralkarz - 87.621717 08: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 09: aight - 87.595397 = 10: jp27ace - 87.592255 11: Kostucha - 87.583890 12: kkstrong - 87.576908 13: CeramicBlue - 87.574843 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 14: Wobert - 87.288342 15: Emmoji - 87.193760 16: auds - 87.132873Scores: 17.

[analog plover]

ok now it's maxed

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern anim maxsia22 0 1

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for SimVYo and vector7 in MAX-SI-A-02-02 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Math strats

[fallow thorn]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-2

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: SimVYo - 87.629153 = 01: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 87.629153 = 02: vector7 - 87.628829 03: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 04: Eddy - 87.628103 05: vertexv - 87.627345 06: Slomac - 87.627010 07: pralkarz - 87.621717 08: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 09: aight - 87.595397 = 10: jp27ace - 87.592255 11: Kostucha - 87.583890 12: kkstrong - 87.576908 13: CeramicBlue - 87.574843 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 14: Wobert - 87.288342 15: Emmoji - 87.193760 16: auds - 87.132873Scores: 17.

[muted scroll]

ez fix, framewar tab b side needs to be 600 levels

[fallow thorn]

there

[muted scroll]

MIN is an appropriate name for it, speedrun min or something

[supple zenith]

Once again I am out for the day and a new ez max is found

[analog plover]

Now who can tell why hitting the corner is faster on this level?

[split patio]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-2

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: SimVYo - 87.629153 = 01: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 87.629153 = 02: Eddy - 87.629153 = 03: vector7 - 87.628829 04: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 05: vertexv - 87.627345 06: Slomac - 87.627010 07: pralkarz - 87.621717 08: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 09: aight - 87.595397 = 10: jp27ace - 87.592255 11: Kostucha - 87.583890 12: kkstrong - 87.576908 13: CeramicBlue - 87.574843 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 14: Wobert - 87.288342 15: Emmoji - 87.193760 16: auds - 87.132873Scores: 17.

[split patio]

Gotem

[fickle ether]

Because you programmed that into the interpolation machine we’re all using, to give yourself a trump card 🤯

[split patio]

Is it actually faster or does it simply allow better centering with the exit door

[analog plover]

It's faster (makes you sligthly ahead on the x axis)

[split patio]

One more frame of ground acceleration?

[olive nova]

clearly you hit the corner on the part where it's sloping down to the right

[analog plover]

That's what I thought at first. There is in the code a small boost to help you walk up slopes so hitting a corner at a very shallow angle can sometimes speed you up a tiny bit. But here actually your speed goes down a little bit upon hitting the corner so it's not that...

Answer:
||Remember how in the max air speed diagram there's multiple 4 second cycles that trend sligthly upward? Hitting the corner slows you down but puts you in a better faster part of the cycle. So even though Natey's run gets slightly ahead at first you catch up towards the end cause your max air speed is slightly faster. So it is some kind of speed manipulation that eki suggested. It's not possible on flat ground but I guess it is possible with the help of a corner.||

[split patio]

Lol that's amazing

Glad to have an actual example of something like this

This code that helps with walking up slopes, do you mean the weird ass friction formula?

[supple zenith]

The strats are getting way too heady out here

[analog plover]

This part here. There's an acceleration bonus of an additional half of the ground acceleration when running up a slope

[supple zenith]

So there are acceleration cycle manipulation strats

[split patio]

Oh, it's such a significant effect then, 50% more accel

I guess we're just so used to it, but running up slopes would probably look so sluggish without it

[analog plover]

In insight I think that kind of manipulation explains part of the magic on the SL-A-13-01 max

[split patio]

Oh yeah, you also hit the corner similarly there

[analog plover]

Yeah altough that corner actually boosts you up iirc, but also puts you in good cycles

It's more complex becaue there's parts when you run on the ground, so different cycles in play

[split patio]

Crazy how it plays into both effects

[analog plover]

Idk I should revisit this level sometime with my new insight (altough not to unmax lol, just to understand it more)

[split patio]

@late wyvern frac scores for SL-A-13-01

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for feeding time (SL-A-13-01):ansi 00: Kostucha - 101.900437 01: RayOfLight - 101.900353 02: Molentum - 101.900345 03: Muzgrob - 101.900255 *04: Slomac - 101.900207 = 05: Nightwish - 101.900207 = 06: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 101.900160 07: poober - 101.900160 08: Schmole - 101.900115 09: golfkid - 101.900115 10: Personman - 101.900084 = 11: Commander Coria - 101.900084 = 12: xela - 101.900054 13: MaelstroM - 101.900049 14: overlordlork - 101.900038 15: OrangeCrix - 101.900036 16: RhythmPixel - 101.900031 17: Clanc - 101.900030 18: maaz. - 101.900029 19: killingpepsi - 101.900029Scores: 827.

[split patio]

Ouch

[analog plover]

lol crazy margins

[split patio]

This is easily the tightest board in the entire game

[zenith owl]

isn't sl-a-00-00 float maxed

[split patio]

Oh, now that you mention it, I believe so, I remember qualifying it as the only true maxed level in the game

Because of how little there is to do there, really

I guess we could consider any improvement whatsoever to that level as an "unmax", but unfortunately, it wouldn't be submitted, ll

[analog plover]

Oh I'm sure there's many true maxed 0ths already, but maybe not on fully maxed boards

[split patio]

Oh yeah full board I meant

@late wyvern frac scores for sla00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for arc (SL-A-00-00):ansi *00: RayOfLight - 94.251139 = 01: vfdb - 94.251139 = 02: Slomac - 94.251139 = 03: xela - 94.251139 = 04: Personman - 94.251139 = 05: Kostucha - 94.251139 = 06: shmoo - 94.251139 = 07: jp27ace - 94.251139 = 08: golfkid - 94.251139 = 09: Wishark - 94.251139 = 10: maaz. - 94.251139 = 11: MaelstroM - 94.251139 = 12: Fnyt - 94.251139 = 13: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 94.251139 = 14: ekisacik - 94.251139 = 15: poober - 94.251139 = 16: Gealx3 - 94.251139 = 17: Chebyshevrolet - 94.251139 = 18: Sky! - 94.251139 = 19: Bigcubefan - 94.251139 =Scores: 1869.

[supple zenith]

Wacky

[split patio]

These are the tightest top20 boards in the game:

SL-A-00-00 - 0.000000 - RayOfLight
SL-A-13-01 - 0.000408 - Slomac
SI-A-02-03 - 0.000918 - Molentum
SU-D-04-03 - 0.003401 - stonedeagle
SI-B-04-01 - 0.003612 - xela
SU-A-03-01 - 0.003703 - xela
S-B-11-00  - 0.004087 - Nahoj
S-B-02-02  - 0.004320 - jp27ace
SU-B-01-00 - 0.007251 - xela
S-E-07-00  - 0.007283 - Eddy
SU-E-14-01 - 0.007571 - Eddy
S-A-07-03  - 0.007699 - Nahoj
SI-E-04-00 - 0.007816 - Snowicetiger
S-C-05-00  - 0.007944 - golfkid
SI-E-00-02 - 0.007989 - Slomac
SU-X-06-03 - 0.008209 - stonedeagle
SI-A-02-01 - 0.008561 - Nahoj
S-A-18-00  - 0.008784 - Muzgrob
SU-C-05-01 - 0.010562 - maaz.
!-C-09     - 0.011692 - Xando Toaster```

[fallow thorn]

@late wyvern screenshot of feeding time

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for feeding time (SL-A-13-01) v1 in palette vasquez:

[fickle ether]

What in the

How in the world is it so consistent

Is that really the only way to get that frame?

[split patio]

Based on the scores it really seems so

Note how the frame is only attained by a single millisecond

Also, all 20 runs have an identical jump (frames 44-51)

Plenty of variability on the turnaround, but I guess as long as you hit the exit door optimally it doesn't matter

[analog plover]

@late wyvernmax rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 21, 2025 (22:03) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: SimVYo         - 32
01: jp27ace        - 31
02: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 25
03: Eddy           - 20
04: Sky!           - 11
05: NateyPooPoo    -  9
06: CeramicBlue    -  6
07: Slomac         -  6
08: vector7        -  4
09: vertexv        -  3
10: ekisacik       -  2
11: aight          -  1```

[analog plover]

can't wait to have 3 0ths when I wake up tomorrow

[pastel beacon]

What rhythm gaming you doing? 👀 👀

[jaunty marsh]

been playing some osu! lately if you know about that one

the only other rythm games i've played beside that was guitar hero games in my youth. compared to that osu! is really hard on my eyes

[north barn]

So it can be done!!! I figured that you were referring to the usual methods of controlling speed deliberately, but corner jank is once again the hardest mechanic in the game :D

free 1f generator

[supple zenith]

I need Sim to tell me that acceleration cycle manipulation isn’t going to unmax any metanet boards. For my sanity

[north barn]

woah this is beautiful... what 20 people hitting two 1fs in a row looks like

I'm surprised that the turnaround can vary so much, don't you need to hit the top of a door at the end?

Surely there would be positional variation that would lead to slightly different microsecond times

[analog plover]

[split patio]

That's what I would imagine too eki, seems like a significant source of score variation

I guess the fall is tight enough that you can basically only hit it properly one way

Kinda like how as long as you hit it dead center the trajectory shouldn't matter

[north barn]

I wonder if any "discrete steps" logic comes into play here or if there is variation and it's too small to distinguish

As in, because the ninja only moves in specific lengths this happens

[analog plover]

I think some corner interactions if you hit it with a shallow angle can normalize your position. Meaning small differences in x position lead to the same result in the end after hitting it

[split patio]

Reasonable theory, akin to brushing a wall

[analog plover]

I remember stumbling upon this in a TAS. I kept tweeking the horizontal inputs before falling onto a corner kinda like that and it would frustratingliy always lead to the same result

[north barn]

Oh, now I feel like I should look at the level

@late wyvern anim for arc

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for RayOfLight in SL-A-00-00 using palette quench:

[north barn]

That little corner brush is causing this?

Ooooh, I think I understand

[split patio]

Yeah you always noticeably clip that corner

[north barn]

Because everyone's holding right by that time, right?

[split patio]

Surely

@late wyvern slow anim inputs 0 5 10 15 for arc

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for RayOfLight, Kostucha, maaz., and poober in SL-A-00-00 using palette vasquez:

[supple zenith]

iirc I have a TAS for this level where you are one frame ahead, and so painfully close to the same position and velocity of the frame right before the corner clip. But looking at these scores I imagine it has to be a perfect match

[north barn]

Interesting, the last input seems to happen before a corner brush in the middle, I suppose that's what we're referring to

[north barn]

The significant thing to me here is that it doesn't just normalize the position, it normalizes the velocity for the entire rest of the run...

[analog plover]

Scratch that it's false the answer is much simpler. When your run off the slope your speed is way above max speed. Above max speed the game doesn't accept your horizontal inputs, so you must wait for the ninja to decelerate below max speed first. So there's like 30 frames of leeway for the turnaround, most people hit right way way earlier than they need to lol

[analog plover]

Yeah it's false and doesn't make sense in hindsight given the code, sorry

[north barn]

Ahhh, it normalizes the velocity... because it actually never mattered xP

Isn't there a difference between the max speed decel and holding right though? Or does it seriously behave the same above a certain speed

[analog plover]

yep totally the same it's nuts. You could hold right or hold left or hold nothing the game doesn't care it ignores it all

[north barn]

Wow, so this works because you make the last input before the last point of contact that changes your speed, while your speed makes your inputs "lenient"

note to self: input konami code during a fast moving sequence in a highscore

[supple zenith]

yeah you just need to hold right at the clip

[split patio]

Crazy that the game doesn't even let you slow down when you're above max speed, but tbh, it does correlate to the feeling you get when you're being supremely boosted

[supple zenith]

That's part of why TASing this was pretty impossible. The only variables you can adjust are the ones before you run off the slope

[north barn]

"completely disable all horizontal input while above max speed" was certainly not the routine i was expecting but hey it leads to some interesting statistics!!!

[supple zenith]

It definitely makes execution easier once you know it though

[analog plover]

Note that holding right above max speed on the ground does do something, because then ground friction comes into play. It's only when you're in the air that you can't do anything

[north barn]

Oh, the friction works differently?

[analog plover]

Well there's no ground friction in the air :p

[north barn]

I know the coefficients of acceleration but not deceleration are different but what else is there

[analog plover]

friction is a parameter that gets used when you are decelerating on the ground specificaly

It's not used if you are accelerating

[north barn]

Fascinating, so is it an additive penalty or a multiplicative one?

(and does it activate based on holding the opposite direction specifically or does neutralling work?)

[analog plover]

friction multiplies your speed by 0.9459290248857720

both neutral and opposite direction yeah

[north barn]

Huh, so this is an additional coefficient specifically for not holding forward

[analog plover]

It's when the ninnja is in the sliding animation. It makes sense when you think about it

[north barn]

It does! It's also baffling because I was under the impression that the ground friction was constant unless you are slow

-# ...so GD was almost right, they just needed to apply the friction when turning around instead of only neutralling, and also not in the air, and also not on every velocity source... okay maybe it's pretty far off...

[analog plover]

Ok it's really getting into the nitty gritty but when your projected horizontal absolute speed is below 0.1 there is an even stronger friction that gets applied to make you reach standstill faster

[north barn]

yup, that's the "except when you're slow" part i meant

i was aware of that because i did look in nsim i just didnt parse everything

[analog plover]

This is not noticeable when playing at all lol

[north barn]

It's meant to prevent you from slowing down forever

(...It's still not a subtractive penalty, so it does take time for the double to reach 0, but it gets there a lot faster)

[analog plover]

I mean you still kinda do, your speed never gets set to 0

[north barn]

it's like 0.9 vs 0.8 or something

basically quadruples the decay rate i think?

[analog plover]

0.92^(2/3) vs 0.80^(2/3)

[north barn]

Close enough

[analog plover]

Anyway this is pretty off topic

Sorry for the rambling for people who don't care, turns out I like this game 🙂 This tab was really a good way for me to enjoy what I like most about this game again, so thank you to all

[supple zenith]

Advanced movement discussion is on-topic for MAX

Dev approved

Anyway let’s see where we’re at

@late wyvern max rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 22, 2025 (01:22) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: SimVYo         - 34
01: jp27ace        - 25
02: Eddy           - 24
03: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 22
04: Slomac         - 13
05: Sky!           -  9
06: vertexv        -  9
07: CeramicBlue    -  6
08: NateyPooPoo    -  3
09: ekisacik       -  2
10: vector7        -  2
11: aight          -  1```

[supple zenith]

Aaaand I have 3 left

Buncha try hards. The lot of you

[north barn]

I'm ok with this channel being #tas-2 but only for the stupid discrete math stuff that framewarring brings out that i just happen to have as one of my favorite subjects ever LOL

[zenith owl]

I'm stuck at work all day and my laptop is with a friend in Oregon 😭

[north barn]

like i love modulo arithmetic and i love the specifics of progression between frames

[zenith owl]

Wish I could grind on the clock lmao

[north barn]

it's so chaotic

but so understandable, at the same time

[analog plover]

You should get into tasing mate

[north barn]

I actually did for a little! But after the runs started going beyond the 3 second mark is when having no states became a pain ;_;

I really wanna resolve if click bait T++ is possible or not

[supple zenith]

He said get into tasing not torture yourself with it

[analog plover]

Yeah that's fair, really makes you wish a dedicated tas tool with savestates existed

[north barn]

like it would be the coolest run ever. it would also definitely break the record for most 1fs in a community challenge LOL

[analog plover]

Having no savestate though is no excuse to TAS the funny 5 second levels though

I didn't even use the TAS tool to TAS the greatest level ever I used Excel lol

[north barn]

the theorycrafting is going insane

The slow progression from levels with the least inputs to levels with the most will be satisfying in maxing out the whole tab

Having now played it I think I can tell that there are at least 3 that would probably take more than a month to do RTA

[analog plover]

You can't humanly max most levels

[pastel beacon]

Never got too into it, but am aware of the game yeh.
Nice nice - hope you're enjoying

[north barn]

i feel like there are actually people that exist that could max the last level of the tab

like frame perfect 20cps spam

so i'm not sure which levels would be deemed beyond the human limit yet but don't count it out too fast...

[zenith owl]

the hard part of the mash physically is not that you need to push jump every 3 frames, it's that each jump has to last for 2 frames

[supple zenith]

Around the world in 80 seconds at the very least is impossible to max RTA.

Definitely others

[north barn]

yeah for sure, though i feel like with 2 handed strategies that's easier... actually, is there any kind of multibinding tech for this?

hmm

[supple zenith]

Probably most levels. If we’re talking about perfect precision maxes

[north barn]

In maingame for sure there are some (most, probably), I meant in the scope of MAX

[supple zenith]

That’s a max level

[analog plover]

It still is most levels

[north barn]

oh, you said seconds

[supple zenith]

Yep

[north barn]

i forgot that was a map LOL

[analog plover]

The perfect god like player that you crafted in your head is sadly not gonna play this tab

[north barn]

I KNOW it's just funny to consider

nobody's buying this game for this tab... surely...

anyways sorry that was a certified yapping session

maybe i should grind more dev times :)

[old lagoon]

@late wyvern max dev time rankings

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 22, 2025 (01:40) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: SimVYo         - 34
01: Eddy           - 25
02: jp27ace        - 25
03: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 20
04: Slomac         - 13
05: vertexv        - 11
06: Sky!           -  8
07: CeramicBlue    -  6
08: NateyPooPoo    -  3
09: ekisacik       -  2
10: vector7        -  2
11: aight          -  1```

[old lagoon]

@split patio this should be a thing

[split patio]

Maybe on tomorrow's coding session, I'll at least make a way to query how many you have, so that you can verify the requirement

[split patio]

Yeah no maxing talk on the max channel please

[old lagoon]

What are you people even thinking

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern max average rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall top 20 average ranks for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 22, 2025 (02:17) UTC. MIN: 0. Min. scores: 0.

00: SimVYo         -  1.847
01: Eddy           -  2.613
02: Sky!           -  2.833
03: Slomac         -  4.207
04: Nim “Mr. 7280” -  4.953
05: NateyPooPoo    -  5.320
06: vector7        -  5.576
07: vertexv        -  5.693
08: jp27ace        -  5.714
09: CeramicBlue    -  6.480
10: aight          -  8.120
11: DarkStuff?     -  8.833
12: kkstrong       -  8.922
13: Kostucha       -  9.030
14: ekisacik       - 10.287
15: Wobert         - 10.967
16: pralkarz       - 11.596
17: auds           - 12.000
18: Schmole        - 14.167
19: Emmoji         - 14.282```

[supple zenith]

Just curious

[muted scroll]

Interesting that that list is too too far off the metanet average rank list

[split patio]

@late wyvern max sr score rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Speedrun level scores for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 22, 2025 (02:25) UTC. MIN: 54524.

00: Eddy           - 55438 (125)
01: Slomac         - 56280 (125)
02: vertexv        - 57237 (125)
03: CeramicBlue    - 57955 (125)
04: NateyPooPoo    - 58069 (125)
05: Nim “Mr. 7280” - 58134 (125)
06: aight          - 58353 (125)
07: ekisacik       - 62930 (125)
08: auds           - 68382 (125)
09: Wobert         - 68556 (125)
10: Emmoji         - 89759 (125)
11: jp27ace        - 48501 (105)
12: pralkarz       - 47806 ( 95)
13: kkstrong       - 39405 ( 85)
14: SimVYo         - 25465 ( 60)
15: Sky!           - 25639 ( 60)
16: vector7        - 23395 ( 55)
17: Kostucha       - 24342 ( 55)
18: DarkStuff?     - 22369 ( 50)
19: Schmole        -  5652 ( 10)```

[split patio]

Got below 1k frames off total, I'm sure it won't last till tomorrow though :P

[supple zenith]

The first column is already so tight

At least the ones I’ve tried

[north barn]

wait i just remembered, the person in the above recording owns this game

...i will ask for an opinion

how many inputs is the chimney when done optimally? just in case someone has the figure already before i tas it

i think it's like 20

[fallow thorn]

oh yeah, I was able to defend some later column 0ths today but the left columns are getting beyond my skills

which is great, that's the point of this pack. I love it so much, with the interpolation thing especially, this is my favorite pack yet. Fitting for almost the 10 year anniversary of N++

[supple zenith]

Getting a sub-frame 0th feels so cool. A sub-millisecond even cooler

[fallow thorn]

oh, taking somebody's 0th by one millisecond and then moving on feels so much more obnoxious than one frame

it rules

We've unlocked leaderboard trolling to a previously unheard of level of precision

I'm still waiting for @pallid belfry 's scores on this pack tbh. Cmon it will be fun

[north barn]

@late wyvern anim 0 1 for MAX-SI-D-04-02

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik and Nim “Mr. 7280” in MAX-SI-D-04-02 using palette quench:

[north barn]

Wondering which start is faster

I think just running is

I got my entire lead in the final release lol

[fallow thorn]

if Raigan needs an edge I will personally teach him my multi finger left shift technique for fast doubles, triples, unjumps, and more. I'm using them a ton throughout my replays on this pack

[fallow thorn]

For this level I'm surprised the difference isn't tapping the first jump to go just over the mines instead of going up and bonking the ceiling, that is what when playing episode mode I figured would be important

[north barn]

to me a fast descent feels pretty critical

[fallow thorn]

as for doing one little bunny hop in the lower left like that? I don't think that would do anything

considering it takes a full width of the screen to save a frame, maybe, so the upwards and top right would have to be so optimized

[north barn]

the problem with the bhop is that i think the latest frame you can jump and do the headbonk actually barely makes the bhop impossible to squeeze in

so it probably is not worth it

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern anim 0 1 for maxsib02

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for NateyPooPoo and Slomac in MAX-SI-B-00-02 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

72/401

Like I said, it’s getting tight

[fallow thorn]

but yeah it's ez to see I am further up in the climb so your time saved was cleaning the top right

[north barn]

holy shit lol

[fallow thorn]

I still think trace is better

[supple zenith]

400 attempts for 6 milliseconds. NBD

[fallow thorn]

@late wyvern anim trace slow 0 1 2 3 MAX-SI-B-00-02 using palette galactic

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for CeramicBlue, NateyPooPoo, Slomac, and Sky! in MAX-SI-B-00-02 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

I think anim this is better for comparison. But trace looks cooler for sure

Wtf bobio

Bro that was 30 seconds

[fallow thorn]

what did he do

that mf is so cracked I swear it

[supple zenith]

I don’t even see the difference here tbh

Where tf did another frame come frame

Bro my spirit cannot handle being 1/1’d by bobio after a half hour grind

[fallow thorn]

I think we all feel that way about the Mr Bobiobob

@late wyvern anim trace slow 0 1 for MAX-SI-D-04-02

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik and Nim “Mr. 7280” in MAX-SI-D-04-02 using palette vasquez:

[supple zenith]

He’s still improving I think. You should see the runs he put down on EON. Crazy clean runs on all 600 levels, many with straight up nutty tech

[fallow thorn]

so by the way, this is silly but it was on my mind the other night:

it would be interesting when generating a comparison of two centers like this to have something in the corner that's like a difference of the horizontal and vertical position of the two centers

not two numbers but like an x y grid, something that looks kinda like a HUD control stick display, showing the difference in horizontal and vertical position

[north barn]

bobio is fucking insane at framewars apparently

anyways THIS i want to see the analysis of

@late wyvern anim 0 1 for MAX-SI-D-04-00

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik and Nim “Mr. 7280” in MAX-SI-D-04-00 using palette quench:

[north barn]

Jesus christ

[fallow thorn]

He'll yea

didn't spend that long on this one, and I'm curious if bonking the ceiling at the end is the best

[north barn]

Yeah I thought that's where I got the .2 but it turns out I just played the entire rest of the run insanely well

I'm wondering if the leftward movement I sacrificed to do that was more important. I think it was.

Yeah there's no way that ending is optimal at all

[muted scroll]

Whats faster, running downward a 45 degree slope or falling?

Intuition says falling, but I never know

[pastel beacon]

... Is this fun?

[north barn]

Some people are good at it so yeah

[north barn]

I think running downward, because you add gravity and the ninja's movement together

[pastel beacon]

I asked if it was fun ^^;;

[north barn]

...most people enjoy what they are good at

...most people...

[storm burrow]

I think it is too because I think I remember losing a frame falling instead of running one time while playing userlevels

[fallow thorn]

Btw real quick does anyone know how to change your display name in outte, the dm help is buggin

[north barn]

I think it's "my name is x"?

[pastel beacon]

I guess it depends on how you approach it. Being good at pressing buttons in time would be more fun to me in a rhythm game than in that case

But power to the people

[north barn]

Regardless of what game it is, it's very funny to watch

[pastel beacon]

Not sure I'll rush to play more MAX on Monday anymore btw. Video on the backburner

[pastel beacon]

Might just be the age gap, but I don't see it ^^;;

[north barn]

Oh it's ignoring quotes

I wonder if you have to escape them

[fallow thorn]

that's not the point, the point is changing outte's internal database name for me from Nim "Mr. 7280"

Cause that joke is stale

[split patio]

"my name is" is for specifying your actual player name when it's different from your Discord username so that outte can recognize you without having to specify your name explicitly

That's why it tries to find an actual player with that name in the boards, and fails to do so

You're looking for "my display name is"

[north barn]

Oh

I didn't even know the latter was a feature!

[split patio]

I make sure to never remind the existence of outte features so that only true OGs who were there when I first (and only) made a comment know about it

[north barn]

Actually, now that I think about it, that can't be true, but what is true is that it likely lets you gain speed when you lose horizontal control of the player!

So surely running down a slope must be faster horizontally at least

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for crank (MAX-SI-A-03-00) by Darkstuff v1 in palette vasquez:

[fallow thorn]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-03-00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for crank (MAX-SI-A-03-00) by Darkstuff:ansi 00: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 85.559941 = 01: NateyPooPoo - 85.559941 = 02: Eddy - 85.559941 = 03: CeramicBlue - 85.559941 = 04: jp27ace - 85.556736 05: Sky! - 85.555952 06: Slomac - 85.548123 = 07: vertexv - 85.548123 = 08: aight - 85.539109 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 85.533333 09: kkstrong - 85.503463 10: ekisacik - 85.467091 11: pralkarz - 85.350007 12: Emmoji - 85.324114 13: Wobert - 85.216846 14: auds - 84.988583Scores: 15.

[fallow thorn]

https://youtu.be/xFj2-ZVy1zw

[split patio]

@late wyvern max maxable

[late wyvern]

Level highscores with the most ties for 0th for Max mappack on Sunday June 22 at 03:47:42 (+0000):

MAX-SI-A-01-04 - 7 - SimVYo         
MAX-SI-A-03-00 - 4 - Nim "Mr. 0ths" 
MAX-SI-A-02-02 - 3 - SimVYo         ```

[split patio]

Man those perfect maxes are coming, even with interpolation

[north barn]

-# Thanks for the list!

[split patio]

Of course, gotta aim for those slots folks

[supple zenith]

NateyDI died to this mine. Might be possible to finesse it though

Don’t know why I would bother trying to fuss with it though, when bobio would come in five seconds later and smoke me on it

[north barn]

Oh god, you can turn the bounceblock walljump into a DI huh

[fallow thorn]

Don't pretend like you aren't uber cracked sir

[supple zenith]

Sorry I’m just salty after that last one lol

[muted scroll]

Grizzly jerky is a food I would definitely try

[fallow thorn]

I know how it is but you're still way better than me Mr NateyPoop

[supple zenith]

Yeah it’s a forward boost+floor jump off the top of the BB. It sends you basically in a straight diagonal, the paint arrow is pretty much the trajectory

[supple zenith]

That xrow level will go down in history as one of my most brutal defeats. I’ll never forget it

[split patio]

If we're talking just running I'd still say air tbh. The X speed cap is still the same, so we're back to the higher average.

Now falling on a slope, that's another story. It will boost you initially when it distributes the impact velocity between the tangent and normal directions, but then your speed would be slowly decreased by friction until you're back at the cap.

[muted scroll]

This channel has become too much thinking for me

[north barn]

@late wyvern anim 0 1 for MAX-SI-D-04-00

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik and Nim "Mr. 0ths" in MAX-SI-D-04-00 using palette quench:

[north barn]

Okay, let's see it again

[analog plover]

Running down slopes lets you go above the speed cap

[split patio]

I refuse to believe the author of the simulator

[analog plover]

Or am I tripping? This is something I took for granted but now I have doubts

[split patio]

But also note that he's referring solely about X speed, not the tangent speed

[analog plover]

yeah I'm talking about x speed too

[north barn]

I don't know for sure either! I'm simplifying it to an x speed problem because it so happens that you can measure the distance required in terms of either one or both and still technically have a progress bar

Until detaching from the slope due to x speed becomes a thing I think it's fine

[analog plover]

Yeah iirc slopes break the cap because the acceleration from gravity is performed after the horizontal cap check

[split patio]

Isn't that applied during integration at the beginning?

[north barn]

Oh, hang on, now I understand Eddy's concern

Maybe delaying the contact to the slope may be necessary to achieve the highest peak velocity, which then may average higher than running on it for a long time

So falling left is slower than running down on it to the left, but that could be slower than impacting it and then running left

[analog plover]

admitedly I can't think of the details, but I can confirm I opened the game and you can start from 0 speed and then accelerate to over 3.333 and beyond running down a slope

[supple zenith]

I concur

[analog plover]

Little obscure fact, you can break the speed cap running UP a 22.5 degree slope. Here its probably the running-up-a-hill-boost that helps achieve that

I remember seeing that from a previous tas, you won't break it by a lot but you'll get speeds of 3.4 or something

[tranquil fiber]

I am glad to see others share my pain

[analog plover]

If I had been asked to make a level for this tab, I would have made one that's all about running up shallow slopes. Those are some of the hardest optimization challenges in this game and it still breaks my brain

[split patio]

Alright, I will concede

[north barn]

It keeps increasing, too... no wonder that one intro level with the gauss feels so absurd

Makes me wonder if it's worth sacrificing left movement just to get on the slope sooner...

Added to personal TAS list

[analog plover]

This is a classic dilemma: do you get on the slope sooner with low initial speed or later with bigger speed? There's no global solution, it's a case by case thing, very hard to optimize

[north barn]

Oh shit I ADHD'd and forgot to call my score before beating it again LOL

I think I saw it display 0 microseconds left???

But I just replied to that message, forgot what I was doing and tabbed back in to get a better score >_>

[split patio]

Really wondering why. The only time the gravity appears to be applied is in the integration function at the start of the frame, and then you have the speed cap to apply the ground acceleration.

Given how large it can grow I'm sure it's something obvious

[north barn]

I feel like slopes do some kind of velocity storage, indirectly

[analog plover]

The gravity is projected on the slope so a component of it is added to your x velocity. I think the speed cap only check the horizontal acceleration that comes form your left right inputs

Yeah that's it checked in the code

[split patio]

What lines?

[analog plover]

428-430

If you're above speed cap, it reverst to your speed before the acceleration from the inputs

So any form of acceleration (slopes, boosters, entity pushes etc) can break the speed cap, it's just the left right inputs that can't

[north barn]

wtf I did it again???

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-04-03

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thwump jockey (MAX-SI-C-04-03) by Slomac:ansi 00: Eddy - 83.742466 01: Slomac - 83.631930 02: jp27ace - 83.587938 03: ekisacik - 83.583333 04: vertexv - 83.469223 05: aight - 81.951526 06: CeramicBlue - 81.526084 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 81.500000 07: auds - 81.084120 08: NateyPooPoo - 80.981555 09: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 79.907657 10: Wobert - 79.779917 11: Emmoji - 75.270059Scores: 12.

[north barn]

Oh okay that's not an error

What the fuck

[split patio]

Hmm, but gravity only seems to be applied to the Y component, at least initially:

def integrate(self):
    """Update position and speed by applying drag and gravity before collision phase."""
    self.xspeed *= self.applied_drag
    self.yspeed *= self.applied_drag
    self.yspeed += self.applied_gravity
    self.xpos_old = self.xpos
    self.ypos_old = self.ypos
    self.xpos += self.xspeed
    self.ypos += self.yspeed```

Maybe it has to do with the tile collision routine?

[analog plover]

But then you collide with the slopes yes

So every frame you have an acceleration of 0.066666 from gravity, and there's always a component of that that gets converted to x velocity

[north barn]

@late wyvern anim 3 for MAX-SI-C-04-03

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for ekisacik in MAX-SI-C-04-03 using palette quench:

[north barn]

How did I get so far into the door

Oh, is it that situation that we discussed before where I just happen to take an angle that misses the door but gets corrected inside it?

I'd love to know if this is actually a 0 microseconder

No way I hit it twice without some shenanigans right

[analog plover]

This is strange indeed

[split patio]

Alright that's indeed the only plausible explanation. I still can't find exactly where the xspeed gets modified by this tile pop, but I can't think of anything else.

[analog plover]

Velocity is projected onto the surface in Ninja:collide_vs_tiles(), lines 199-203

[split patio]

That only applies when you're running against the tile, i.e. up, no?

Oh no, (dx, dy) isn't the surface normal

[analog plover]

No this is for collision with any surface in any context, unless you are somehow moving away from the surface, which is a very fringe case

[split patio]

To be fair you also reach that point quite fast, at 6 u/f, which is half the door's radius. I guess it was timed so well you pretty much penetrated the 6 units.

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-04-03

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thwump jockey (MAX-SI-C-04-03) by Slomac:ansi 00: Eddy - 83.742466 01: Slomac - 83.631930 02: jp27ace - 83.587938 03: ekisacik - 83.583333 04: vertexv - 83.469223 05: aight - 81.951526 06: CeramicBlue - 81.526084 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 81.500000 07: auds - 81.084120 08: NateyPooPoo - 80.981555 09: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 79.907657 10: Wobert - 79.779917 11: Emmoji - 75.270059Scores: 12.

[split patio]

It seems like you did indeed nail it, at least down to the microseconds, did you see an actual 0?

[analog plover]

Oh he did a wall jump the frame before touching the door, that has to be the cause of this bug

Maybe it breaks the interpolation

[split patio]

The interpolation computes the score when you touch the exit door, which happens during post collision and thus before thinking, which is when the walljump is applied

But the think function actually returns before applying most logic if your state is already 8

[analog plover]

And then on the next frame you start already inside the door and the game is like bruh

[split patio]

Wait, there's a next frame?

[analog plover]

well yeah you can't jump the fram you enter the door, it has to be the frame before

[split patio]

Oh shit, you're right, that's it

[analog plover]

On the last frame you start inside the door, and then after updating your position you're still inside the door, so no interpolation is done, so you have a rounded time

[split patio]

I knew there had to be more edge cases when we were discussing it the other day :P

[analog plover]

What is it with eki finding every possible way to break the interpolation 😔
I thought we banned him already

Yeah we were discussing ways to be "teleported" inside the door, this is one of them

[split patio]

I remember noticing that the 2 positions that you compare for interpolation aren't taken at the same part of the computation cycle, and thinking that that's a bit smelly.

• The first one is saved at the very end of the cycle, or in fact, at the start of the next one, before it's had the opportunity to change.
• The second one is saved after physical collisions, but not even after all logical collisions necessarily, and certainly before the thinking logic.

Perhaps I could fix it by running the interpolation routine at the very end of the cycle if the state is 8.

[analog plover]

Meh personally I don't think it needs fixing, it's in the meatnut spirit

[split patio]

This finally explains all those fractions of 0 that I was seeing in the db, couldn't really find an explanation for them except for the switch map.

Fixing it would also lead to higher interpolated scores than the real score

I'd say it's niche enough to not bother, but I've noted it

+----------------+----------------+---------+----------+
| MAX-SI-E-01-04 | kkstrong       |       8 | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-B-00-02 | pralkarz       |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-E-04-04 | CeramicBlue    |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-E-04-00 | Slomac         |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-E-01-04 | vector7        |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-E-01-04 | vector7        |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-C-04-03 | ekisacik       |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-C-04-03 | ekisacik       |       3 | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-B-04-00 | Wobert         |      10 | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-B-03-03 | Emmoji         |      14 | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-B-00-02 | Wobert         |    NULL | 0.000000 |
| MAX-SI-B-04-03 | Emmoji         |      10 | 0.000000 |
+----------------+----------------+---------+----------+```

These are all the perfect scores outside of MAX-SI-B-03-04.

[analog plover]

what is the second to last column?

[split patio]

That's the rank in the leaderboard, NULL being an obsolete score that's been improved

Most levels are repeated which indeed suggests there's a specific scenario that prompts these scores

[analog plover]

Could some of these be from a desync in the simulation though? Like the slomac one on that one level

[split patio]

Shouldn't be, the ones with erroneous simulation have a fraction of 1 by default

So all these return OK from the sim

@late wyvern screenshot for MAX-SI-E-01-04

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for in the dark of night. I sit in my underwear, mapping. (MAX-SI-E-01-04) by Slomac v1 in palette vasquez:

[split patio]

This does indeed have walljumps at the very end as well

MAX-SI-B-04-00 probably has a regular jump at the very end

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern anim 10 for maxsib43

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for Emmoji in MAX-SI-B-04-03 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Jumped frame before exit?

[split patio]

It would appear so

Ditto for Emm's MAX-SI-B-03-03:

I guess a replay analysis would prove it

Technically you see 2 jump frames at the end, which is indeed the expected outcome since the last frame is the entering of the door

[analog plover]

I think that's case solved

[split patio]

I guess the interpolated score is technically correct then, you do indeed start the frame already inside the door

Puzzle unpuzzled

[supple zenith]

It does feel kind of unfair that you could lose a run to this

[split patio]

Could you? If you were a bit slower you'd still get teleported inside, so you'd end up in a tie I guess

[supple zenith]

It rounds down yeah?

[split patio]

It does yeah

[supple zenith]

So if your pace was faster it would drop you to the bottom of the frame

[analog plover]

No it's the other way around?

It's benificial to hit this glitch

if the interpolation is 0 you get the best result

[split patio]

I think Natey's right. If you hit the walljump one frame sooner, then you'd gain the extra position the frame before. So then on the next frame you'd actually finish.

Like, you genuinely finish one frame sooner, even without interpolation.

Not sure how I'd feel about interpolating outside of the frame you actually finished, i.e., extrapolating, though.

[supple zenith]

Probably not a big enough deal to fix it for this pack tbh

We just have a few chimney style cases

Those seem to be the most likely culprit

Might be biased because I sure as heck don’t plan on grinding e-4-4

:p

[split patio]

It is a tricky choice for sure. Fixing the issue would be a bit more complex than I thought, but also importantly the interpolated score would be outside the actual real score, because I'd basically be discarding the last frame of the run.

[analog plover]

Trying to fix this is like trying to fix the game. It's outside the scope of this custom tab

[split patio]

Agreed. Ideally, they should've checked for exit door collision at the very end of the whole frame.

There's my 2 cents for the next weekly patch.

[supple zenith]

Sim you should make a B-side episode of megabrain levels. We’ll update the tab and put em in there

[split patio]

The dev score is the mathematical max.

[supple zenith]

Lmfao

Yup

[analog plover]

I'll consider it

[supple zenith]

Serious proposal. Not reaching out to you in the first place was an oversight

[analog plover]

No worries, I loved the surprise

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern max rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 22, 2025 (06:05) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: SimVYo         - 31
01: Eddy           - 25
02: jp27ace        - 25
03: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 18
04: NateyPooPoo    - 13
05: vertexv        - 10
06: Slomac         -  9
07: CeramicBlue    -  7
08: Sky!           -  5
09: ekisacik       -  4
10: vector7        -  2
11: aight          -  1```

[supple zenith]

Did some grindy levels in the first couple columns. Pace is definitely slower than the last couple days

Back up to double digits at least

[north barn]

I'm helping!

-# Wow, I wasn't expecting a bug this deep

[north barn]

Also, yes, that's what prompted my reaction

I actually saw it twice!

[north barn]

The first time,

[north barn]

oh cool, it can confirm that

[north barn]

Still lines up with the main description of the issue though, which is that you either go into the door, or you're already in it... and in this case, it turns out it's possible to get into a door in a way that makes you already in it, no entities necessary

Can't believe it's a vanilla bug

[north barn]

How'd I get that far? I started the frame inside it, that's how...

[north barn]

Oh you know, now the "buffering a jump on the floor while inside a toggle mine that you should technically fall out of reach of lets you stay inside it" thing makes sense now

...wait, does it? It should be checking toggle collision then making the player move...

[supple zenith]

nice little millisecond peloton

[oblique bear]

did i accidentally do something good for once?

[old lagoon]

Is it foolish to hit all dev times before moving onto the next episode?

[vestal acorn]

no, but that's up to you

[azure gyro]

how do I play this?

I clicked the .exe

and I am in the game

but I dont see any of the tabs

is this right?

[vestal acorn]

it overwrites intro tab

yes

[azure gyro]

oh okay

so how do i see hax pack, neometa etc.x,?

[vestal acorn]

you'll need to run this exe again to uninstall this pack

and then run the exe to load one of those packs

[azure gyro]

oh

so

all the levels are just in the intro tab?

[vestal acorn]

yep, this is just the MAX pack. 125 levels all in the intro tab

[old lagoon]

Details question - what is the MAX number the rank will show that means you were just a microsecond over the frame barrier?

Should be like 16999 or something?

[frigid summit]

The rank is how many microseconds you're missing until the next frame.

[old lagoon]

yeah

I want to know what's the highest number it will display

[frigid summit]

Oh, I misunderstood the question.

Logically it should be 16999 as you say, but maybe there are some technical details around that.

[old lagoon]

Or 15999 depending on which frame

[vestal acorn]

Eddy said it earlier I think

[old lagoon]

ah sweet, thanks Slomac

I guess that makes sense if I just thought about it for a tick lol

I had a couple 14k pop up

[old lagoon]

ugh

16447 or something was my microsecond count

[azure gyro]

why cant I see my solo level score

i did it for the first level and it says my rank is like 10000

[olive nova]

Dev time is probably exactly .5 so you'd be faster than it in the outte board no

[vestal acorn]

That's how many microseconds until the next frame. Eddy changed that for this tab

[azure gyro]

oh

how do I see my actual score on the leaderboard though

[frigid summit]

You get top 20.

[azure gyro]

lol yeah

but I wanna know what my current score is so I know how far off I am

[vestal acorn]

Do you not see something like that?

[azure gyro]

oh I see it now

[frigid summit]

Who's this noob below me? Never seen him on the leaderboards.

[azure gyro]

yay i got a 0th

[vestal acorn]

@late wyvern max trace 0 1 sid03

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for Hild and CeramicBlue in MAX-SI-D-00-03 using palette supernavy:

[vestal acorn]

surprised that's faster.

[supple zenith]

I’ve enjoyed the evolution of different routes here

Shamelessly ripping off a slomac level worked out quite nicely

Also yeah how is this faster lol

[frigid summit]

I don't get it either lmao.

[azure gyro]

I get a boost from both blocks

[frigid summit]

I was sure we had the fastest route.

[frigid summit]

Oooh, that makes sense.

[azure gyro]

it can go even faster

if you hit your head on the block on the way down to the exit

using the boost

[vestal acorn]

Completely different maps. Yours has 26 blocks, but you didn't lie. Mine has 25, but I did

[supple zenith]

I did lie for a second lol, but I guess I reverted it before submission

Also I’ve been waiting for someone to check the count

[vestal acorn]

I only did because I wanted someone to notice on mine lol

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-00-00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: CeramicBlue - 84.301177 01: SimVYo - 84.297060 02: vector7 - 84.285865 03: Sky! - 84.281083 04: pralkarz - 84.260757 05: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 06: vertexv - 84.224835 07: Slomac - 84.219833 08: NateyPooPoo - 84.195410 09: kkstrong - 84.181676 10: Eddy - 84.158131 11: auds - 84.130082 12: golfkid - 84.104626 13: aight - 84.104568 14: ekisacik - 84.094895 15: HamSandwich - 84.054563 16: Wobert - 84.052990 17: Kostucha - 84.036040 18: Hild - 84.031584 19: DarkStuff? - 84.002587 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 24.

[frigid summit]

I have no idea how to gain the last .04, but I'm pretty pleased with this nonetheless.

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-00-00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: CeramicBlue - 84.301177 01: SimVYo - 84.297060 02: vector7 - 84.285865 03: Sky! - 84.281083 04: pralkarz - 84.276326 05: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 06: vertexv - 84.224835 07: Slomac - 84.219833 08: NateyPooPoo - 84.195410 09: kkstrong - 84.181676 10: Eddy - 84.158131 11: auds - 84.130082 12: golfkid - 84.104626 13: aight - 84.104568 14: ekisacik - 84.094895 15: HamSandwich - 84.054563 16: Wobert - 84.052990 17: Kostucha - 84.036040 18: Hild - 84.031584 19: DarkStuff? - 84.002587 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 24.

[frigid summit]

With this, time to eep. Good night.

[split patio]

Check out the order of operations here: #userlevels message
For toggle mines, most logic happens in step 2 (toggling and untoggling), except for the deadly collisions, which are checked in step 7.
Do you have an example at hand of this behaviour you mentioned?

[north barn]

yeah

[analog plover]

Since the toggle collisions are checked in step 2, even before updating the position of the ninja in step 3, from the POV of the toggle the ninja never touches the ground.

It's weird order of operation stuff

[north barn]

So it checks toggles, updates the ninja position, jumps, and then checks again

I assume jumping does something to the ninja's position instantly

[analog plover]

So on one frame, the toggle sees the ninja falling, and on the next it sees the ninja jumping. It never sees the ninja touching the ground

[analog plover]

Jumping on flat ground immediately substracts 2 froms its y position

[zenith owl]

@late wyvern max scores for worm

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for would you still max me if I were a worm? (MAX-SI-C-02-03) by Slomac:ansi 00: Sky! - 86.730788 01: vertexv - 86.676687 02: NateyPooPoo - 86.674663 03: Eddy - 86.653648 04: Slomac - 86.647018 05: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 86.646838 06: CeramicBlue - 86.641651 07: vector7 - 86.565547 08: aight - 86.561053 09: SimVYo - 86.551935 10: kkstrong - 86.413435 11: jp27ace - 86.373853 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 86.150000 12: ekisacik - 86.134446 13: auds - 86.108951 14: pralkarz - 86.077733 15: Wobert - 85.937083 16: Emmoji - 85.554984Scores: 17.

Screenshot for would you still max me if I were a worm? (MAX-SI-C-02-03) by Slomac v1 in palette wyvern:

[zenith owl]

forgot screenscores whoops

[supple zenith]

No you forgot the anim

[zenith owl]

fine 🙄

lmao

@late wyvern max anim 0 1 for worm

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for Sky! and vertexv in MAX-SI-C-02-03 using palette wyvern:

[zenith owl]

thought my timesave was in the DI, i just got a crazy mash i guess

improved my triple-DI run on snake zula a little bit too

shockingly only ~30 tries to hit it again

[north barn]

that spam at the end o_O

[north barn]

mystery solved, it can move outside of the "move" step...

[split patio]

Amusingly, it can move pretty much in every step of the calculations: integration, physical collision with objects, collision with tiles, logical collision with objects, and ninja thinking phase.

Which means that the simple question of "What's the position on this frame" is not clear because it depends on when you take the snapshot. For logging puposes, trace / anims, etc we use the boundary between frames, which is the most reasonable as all steps have already happened by then.

[analog plover]

You forgot that the ninja can move in the boost pad moving phase

[split patio]

Lmao

I wasn't aware it happened there

[analog plover]

It makes no sense

[split patio]

Now I understand why I originally couldn't find the booster's radius

I remember looking in the constructor and in the collision functions

[storm burrow]

I was 0th for way longer then I thought I was gonna be

[old lagoon]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-0-1

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for triangularism (MAX-SI-C-00-01) by Ellsworth:ansi 00: Sky! - 85.843779 01: golfkid - 85.841931 02: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 85.841902 03: Eddy - 85.836425 04: SimVYo - 85.818670 05: vector7 - 85.782301 06: Slomac - 85.728114 07: pralkarz - 85.705278 08: vertexv - 85.700614 09: NateyPooPoo - 85.663528 10: Kostucha - 85.622081 11: kkstrong - 85.606933 12: Hild - 85.571331 13: Wobert - 85.549892 14: DarkStuff? - 85.546476 15: CeramicBlue - 85.540052 16: aight - 85.528064 17: jp27ace - 85.508693 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 85.500000 18: ekisacik - 85.422412 19: auds - 78.899329Scores: 21.

[old lagoon]

I give up

So many .84x

[muted scroll]

Oh cool, it says the author name on there

I still have no idea what map that is 😡

[old lagoon]

@late wyvern screenshot of max-si-c-0-1

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for triangularism (MAX-SI-C-00-01) by Ellsworth v1 in palette tr-808:

[old lagoon]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-S(-A-00

[late wyvern]

No MAX matches found for MAX-S(-A-00.

[old lagoon]

oop

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-00

[late wyvern]

Highscores for MAX-SI-A-00:ansi 00: golfkid - 54.517 01: SimVYo - 54.500 02: Sky! - 54.467 03: Eddy - 54.450 04: NateyPooPoo - 53.717 05: Wobert - 53.033 06: jp27ace - 52.717 07: DarkStuff? - 51.983 08: Kostucha - 51.983 09: kkstrong - 51.100 10: HamSandwich - 50.433 11: ekisacik - 50.400 12: vertexv - 50.167 13: vector7 - 50.100 14: Slomac - 49.983 15: aight - 48.733 16: CeramicBlue - 48.667 17: auds - 47.567 18: pralkarz - 47.417 19: Hild - 47.133Scores: 24. Cleanliness: 1.200 (72f).

[supple zenith]

Framed

[old lagoon]

As is only proper

[muted scroll]

No dev times on episodes

[split patio]

Seconded

[north barn]

btw, this is visually my favorite map in the tab. when i saw it i stopped and hit screenshot

very impressive use of sloped tiles

[pastel beacon]

i did a-0-0 and a-0-1!

not being able to see the dev time with a full LB of ppl above it is kinda annoying tho

can it be reasonably figured out given the number of LB entries? yeh. but still...

@late wyvern scores for maxsia0000

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: CeramicBlue - 84.301177 01: SimVYo - 84.297060 02: Eddy - 84.292221 03: vector7 - 84.285865 04: Sky! - 84.281083 05: pralkarz - 84.276326 06: golfkid - 84.254233 07: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 08: vertexv - 84.224835 09: Slomac - 84.219833 10: NateyPooPoo - 84.195410 11: kkstrong - 84.181676 12: auds - 84.130082 13: aight - 84.104568 14: ekisacik - 84.094895 15: Schmole - 84.082718 16: HamSandwich - 84.054563 17: Wobert - 84.052990 18: Kostucha - 84.036040 19: Hild - 84.031584 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 24.

[pastel beacon]

yeh, DS was 19th for me before i improved.
I like that outte shows it, irrespective of how many ppl above it, but wish I could see it in-game

[pastel beacon]

oh lmfao

[split patio]

Hmm, I guess I could send the dev score at 19th to the game as well, even when it's actually below 19th

Regarding dev scores, I just added support for querying them in the "list", "how many" and "missing" commands, you just need to add the dev keyword to them somewhere:

@late wyvern max dev list

[late wyvern]

Eddy has 125 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[split patio]

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Eddy is missing 0 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[split patio]

@late wyvern how many max dev

[late wyvern]

Eddy has 125 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[split patio]

@late wyvern how many missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Eddy is missing 0 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[split patio]

Not that there are that many levels, but should make it easier to find them anyway

[pastel beacon]

Love it :)

[pastel beacon]

Would probably make highscoring ppl unhappy, vs seeing competition between people in the Top20.

It's ok, I'll live

Depends on people's goals tho I spose. If dev times are the end goal (like me), then not being able to see them is a bit jarring

Will let people more interested in the competition weigh in~

[split patio]

To be fair, the dev score already takes a leaderboard spot no matter what :P

[frigid summit]

As someone equally interested in leaderboards and getting dev times, I wouldn't mind them always taking up one spot on the first page.

[pastel beacon]

finished at D-02.

very tiring tab

@late wyvern how many max dev

[late wyvern]

Schmole has 70 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[muted scroll]

I support it being 19th

Or it being capped at 19th rather. Its good to have it in line until that point.

[frigid summit]

Trying to get top 3 on some levels when you're a mere pralkarz be like:

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[pastel beacon]

top 3

my wrist wouldn't even think about it

[frigid summit]

Yeah, I grind in relatively short sessions, but surprisingly, it's not my wrists that get tired, but my forearms.

Especially when there are short taps in the level.

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern anim 19 for MAX-SI-A-00-02

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for pralkarz in MAX-SI-A-00-02 using palette lava world:

[frigid summit]

Self-routing be like.

[supple zenith]

That’s not even a bad run haha. Surprised that’s 19th

[frigid summit]

I was insinstent on getting the dev time with this route before looking up the correct one.

[supple zenith]

Achievement unlocked: dev time through the orbs

[supple zenith]

I think this is just about the only solution. Since the dev times are a completion metric then I think it’s fair to take up 19th on the leaderboard. Otherwise interested completionists have to leave the game to query Outte which is certainly not ideal if we’re trying to create a fun experience.

Thanks for adding the dev time commands

@late wyvern how many max dev

[late wyvern]

NateyPooPoo has 113 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[supple zenith]

For shame

[split patio]

Truly

[frigid summit]

I want to figure out the routes for dev times myself, but sometimes they take quite a while to execute when I can't find the optimal way. I hope the interest in the tab doesn't die out before I'm finished.

[split patio]

Surely not, competition has been really active since release, although a lot of levels have already gotten quite tight

[split patio]

Agreed. Alright, fix is up.

[supple zenith]

Nice

[fallow thorn]

alright, boards are probably getting to tight to compete on, but at least I can do this:

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Nim "Mr. 0ths" is missing 0 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[fallow thorn]

[supple zenith]

Average rank has been my fallback when I don’t want to fight for 0ths

Still some levels I haven’t put any serious effort into

@late wyvern max average rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall top 20 average ranks for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 23, 2025 (15:36) UTC. MIN: 0. Min. scores: 0.

00: Eddy           -  2.267
01: SimVYo         -  2.556
02: Sky!           -  3.578
03: Slomac         -  4.767
04: Nim "Mr. 0ths" -  5.154
05: NateyPooPoo    -  5.513
06: vector7        -  5.944
07: jp27ace        -  6.213
08: vertexv        -  6.413
09: CeramicBlue    -  7.100
10: golfkid        -  7.267
11: aight          -  9.240
12: DarkStuff?     -  9.983
13: kkstrong       - 10.431
14: Kostucha       - 10.576
15: ekisacik       - 10.691
16: Schmole        - 11.461
17: Hild           - 12.151
18: Wobert         - 12.336
19: pralkarz       - 12.920```

[split patio]

Decreasing your total score is also a good long-term challenge I think

@late wyvern sr max score rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Speedrun level scores for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 23, 2025 (15:40) UTC. MIN: 54432.

00: Eddy           - 55211 (125)
01: Slomac         - 56187 (125)
02: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 56305 (125)
03: vertexv        - 57225 (125)
04: NateyPooPoo    - 57648 (125)
05: CeramicBlue    - 57915 (125)
06: aight          - 58353 (125)
07: ekisacik       - 62388 (125)
08: auds           - 68382 (125)
09: Wobert         - 68556 (125)
10: Emmoji         - 89759 (125)
11: jp27ace        - 48501 (105)
12: pralkarz       - 47707 ( 95)
13: vector7        - 39930 ( 90)
14: kkstrong       - 39405 ( 85)
15: Sky!           - 32340 ( 75)
16: Hild           - 35273 ( 75)
17: Schmole        - 35391 ( 75)
18: SimVYo         - 25465 ( 60)
19: Kostucha       - 24342 ( 55)```

[supple zenith]

Yeah that one too

[muted scroll]

is there a number of dev score rankings?

[old lagoon]

Along with the dev time on leaderboard discussion (I agree with the resolution, thank you Eddy!), is there a way to have the "scores around mine" board show your own score even if it's not global top20? As of right now it is a pure duplicate of the Global board and serves no purpose at all, and on these early ones if your initial completion in the episode isn't a top 20 you have no idea how much you need to try and improve

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern anim 0 1 for maxsie03

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for NateyPooPoo and Eddy in MAX-SI-E-00-03 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Alternatively you could look for innovs

[split patio]

I see some cleaning potential untapped

I knew that jump on the slope didn't look optimal

I love how surprisingly consistent this route is

[supple zenith]

Yeah I hated that slow slope jump on the way back. Had to go

[split patio]

Non... non-top20?

https://tenor.com/bdmaI.gif

[old lagoon]

well ya know, when there's more than 20 scores

somebody has to be outside the top 20

[muted scroll]

Yeah its dev time, the nub

[north barn]

@late wyvern max how many dev

[late wyvern]

ekisacik has 45 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[north barn]

you know what that means

[old lagoon]

That means you've played 9 episodes?

[north barn]

...

@late wyvern max how many top20

[late wyvern]

ekisacik has 136 out of 150 highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern max rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Highscore overall 0ths for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 23, 2025 (16:57) UTC. MAX: 150.

00: Eddy           - 32
01: jp27ace        - 23
02: NateyPooPoo    - 19
03: SimVYo         - 19
04: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 17
05: CeramicBlue    - 10
06: Sky!           -  8
07: Slomac         -  8
08: vertexv        -  6
09: ekisacik       -  4
10: vector7        -  3
11: aight          -  1```

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern scores for maxsia0300

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for crank (MAX-SI-A-03-00) by Darkstuff:ansi 00: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 85.559941 = 01: NateyPooPoo - 85.559941 = 02: Eddy - 85.559941 = 03: CeramicBlue - 85.559941 = 04: jp27ace - 85.556736 05: Sky! - 85.555952 = 06: vector7 - 85.555952 = 07: kkstrong - 85.550897 08: Slomac - 85.548123 = 09: vertexv - 85.548123 = 10: aight - 85.539109 11: Hild - 85.534230 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 85.533333 12: ekisacik - 85.467091 13: pralkarz - 85.350007 14: Emmoji - 85.324114 15: Wobert - 85.216846 16: auds - 84.988583Scores: 17.

[azure gyro]

so close

[supple zenith]

Already decided I’m not playing it again until everyone’s had their go and I can sweep in and pick up the last millisecond

[jaunty marsh]

exactly how i would grind

[winged anvil]

But what if I don't leave a millisecond

[north barn]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-04-02

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for you won't last 2 frames with me, bub (MAX-SI-C-04-02) by Slomac:ansi 00: ekisacik - 86.544914 01: aight - 86.275703 02: jp27ace - 86.225835 03: Eddy - 86.186961 04: CeramicBlue - 86.139851 05: Slomac - 86.066300 06: vertexv - 85.780700 07: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 85.769313 08: NateyPooPoo - 85.754165 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 85.750000 09: auds - 83.684654 10: Emmoji - 82.638926 11: Wobert - 82.036477Scores: 12.

[north barn]

i combined the strats from aight and jp's runs but i didn't think i would suddenly get a run THAT optimized

let me see something

@late wyvern analysis for MAX-SI-C-04-02

[late wyvern]

Replay analysis for you won't last 2 frames with me, bub (MAX-SI-C-04-02) by Slomac on Monday June 23 at 17:40:37 (+0000).

00: ekisacik - 86.550 [208f, 0g]```[**\-** Nothing, **\^** Jump, **>** Right, **/** Right Jump, **<** Left, **\\** Left Jump, **≤** Left Right, **\|** Left Right Jump]```ansi
000 \\\\<<<\\\\\\\\\\\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-------------------------
060 ---------------------->>>>//>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
120 >>>>>>>>>///////////////////////>-<\\\\\\\\\\\<<\\\\\\\\\\\\
180 \\\\\\\<<<\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\```

[north barn]

Last frame coyote walljump

not a 1f tap because my laptop keyboard doesnt like that i guess

@late wyvern analysis 0 1 2 3 for MAX-SI-C-04-02

[late wyvern]

Replay analysis for you won't last 2 frames with me, bub (MAX-SI-C-04-02) by Slomac on Monday June 23 at 17:42:11 (+0000).

00: ekisacik       - 86.550 [208f, 0g]
01: aight          - 86.283 [224f, 0g]
02: jp27ace        - 86.233 [227f, 0g]
03: EddyMataGallos - 86.200 [229f, 0g]```[**\-** Nothing, **\^** Jump, **>** Right, **/** Right Jump, **<** Left, **\\** Left Jump, **≤** Left Right, **\|** Left Right Jump]```ansi
000 \\\\<<<\\\\\\\\\\\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-------------------------
060 ---------------------->>>>//>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
120 >>>>>>>>>///////////////////////>-<\\\\\\\\\\\<<\\\\\\\\\\\\
180 \\\\\\\<<<\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

000 ///>>>>>>////////////>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
060 <<-->>>>>>>>>----------------<<\\<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-->>>>>
120 >>--<<-----<<<<<<<<\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\<<<-///////////>>>
180 ////////////^\\\\\\<->>///////////////^^^^^/

000 ///////>>>/////////>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>≤<<<<<<<<<<<<<---------
060 --------------------->>>>>>>>/||<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
120 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\<<</////////>>>
180 >//////////////////>>>/////////////////////////

000 \\\^->>//////////////////////////>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----<<<<<<<<<
060 <<------------------->>//|≤≤≤<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-----<
120 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\<<\\^^^^^^^
180 ^/////////////////////////>//////////////////////```

[north barn]

can't tell if eddy's start is faster, he jumps earlier but has to wallslide

i'm definitely a lot lower when i jump

Oh, did jp not buffer the start?

can't tell

I think I hit a 1f release at the start lol

I think literally the only unoptimized part of this run is the taps and releases not being 1 frames due to kb limitations, insane

I'm good

Might as well see the end result

@late wyvern anim 0 1 2 3 for MAX-SI-C-04-02

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik, aight, jp27ace, and Eddy in MAX-SI-C-04-02 using palette quench:

[pallid belfry]

Left gang wins again! 😉

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern how many max dev

[late wyvern]

Hild has 124 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Hild is missing 1 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

MAX-SI-A-00-03```

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern scores for maxsia0003

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for trapped in abstract (MAX-SI-A-00-03) by filip:ansi 00: Eddy - 81.503953 01: CeramicBlue - 81.399282 02: SimVYo - 81.360415 03: vector7 - 81.357467 04: Slomac - 81.344985 05: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 81.256930 06: Sky! - 81.184940 07: Wobert - 81.154106 08: pralkarz - 80.932803 09: golfkid - 80.901043 10: vertexv - 80.888363 11: DarkStuff? - 80.782610 12: Kostucha - 80.755518 13: NateyPooPoo - 80.744370 14: aight - 80.730763 15: auds - 80.699929 16: kkstrong - 80.669163 17: Schmole - 80.629833 18: jp27ace - 80.609761 19: filip - 80.593837 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 80.500000Scores: 25.

[azure gyro]

eh

my score is 80.504

surely thats over-dev?

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Hild is missing 1 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

MAX-SI-A-00-03```

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

Hild is missing 0 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall top 20 scores for Max mappack.

[azure gyro]

fun levels

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for vector7 and NateyPooPoo in MAX-SI-E-00-03 using palette vasquez:

[muted scroll]

Literal ||muff diving||

[supple zenith]

If it lets you walljump on the left sooner then yeah. Airtime is always better, but walljumps like this can be a bottleneck sometimes, since they have a fixed position.

[storm burrow]

@late wyvern max anim 1 2 for snake zula

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for vertexv and Eddy in MAX-SI-B-03-01 using palette vasquez:

[storm burrow]

I don't think I could've grabbed the key any better

[muted scroll]

But not even one DI?

[storm burrow]

I tried to do one at the end but it did not work

couldn't get one at the start either

[north barn]

this brings back good memories... i hope that we may race again someday once more :)

(I should make another column, now that I know some pitfalls to avoid...)

[storm burrow]

got a DI

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern anim for maxsid30

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for CeramicBlue in MAX-SI-D-03-00 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Thanks bobio

[storm burrow]

never knew you could do that with bb's

[north barn]

nice

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-04-00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for just a regular map for a regular guy (MAX-SI-C-04-00) by NateyPooPoo:ansi 00: ekisacik - 77.928996 01: NateyPooPoo - 77.842596 02: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 77.814962 03: Eddy - 77.807504 04: Hild - 77.728185 05: Slomac - 77.628185 06: vertexv - 77.593064 07: aight - 77.561518 08: CeramicBlue - 77.527478 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 77.500000 09: auds - 76.477223 10: jp27ace - 76.277658 11: Wobert - 76.271223 12: Emmoji - 68.135966Scores: 13.

[north barn]

me when i cant finish a run for 500 attempts and then get 01 and 00 back to back

wait is the walljump ending faster

fuck

im not sure

my attract replays are about to be so fucking garbage 🔥

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-C-04-00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for just a regular map for a regular guy (MAX-SI-C-04-00) by NateyPooPoo:ansi 00: ekisacik - 78.015666 01: NateyPooPoo - 77.842596 02: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 77.814962 03: Eddy - 77.807504 04: Hild - 77.728185 05: Slomac - 77.628185 06: vertexv - 77.593064 07: aight - 77.561518 08: CeramicBlue - 77.527478 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 77.500000 09: auds - 76.477223 10: jp27ace - 76.277658 11: Wobert - 76.271223 12: Emmoji - 68.135966Scores: 13.

[north barn]

-# it was

[azure gyro]

@late wyvern max anim Hild for snake zula

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for Sky! in MAX-SI-B-03-01 using palette vasquez:

[north barn]

improved, i'm curious about something

nope, doesn't appear to end the same

maybe i shouldn't run that little bit at the end :/

the rest of that was played suuuuper well though

@late wyvern anim 0 1 2 3 for MAX-SI-C-04-00

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik, NateyPooPoo, Nim "Mr. 0ths", and Eddy in MAX-SI-C-04-00 using palette quench:

[north barn]

AM I SURE THAT THAT'S FASTER

I'M NOT SO SURE ANYMORE I THINK I WAS JUST EXECUTING THE ENDING LIKE TRASH

LOL

just so happens to be a very consistent backup strat

oh god this is gonna get taken by like a .25 lead

[outer swift]

k i'm trying this tab now

[supple zenith]

I would prefer it was tbh

But I’m not convinced

[north barn]

i'm the opposite of convinced i think after watching this i think i just threw 0th

glad to see it illustrated at least!!!

im not gonna lie though im gonna need a break

im enjoying having 3 level 0ths in a row while it lasts

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern scores for MAX-SI-A-04-01

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for snap crackle hop (MAX-SI-A-04-01) by Skylighter:ansi 00: pralkarz - 82.627960 01: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 82.626884 02: CeramicBlue - 82.456019 03: Eddy - 82.446864 04: Slomac - 82.422949 05: vertexv - 82.406724 06: ekisacik - 82.392310 07: NateyPooPoo - 82.301157 08: Hild - 82.283225 09: aight - 82.253127 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 82.250000 10: jp27ace - 82.163387 11: auds - 82.135374 12: Schmole - 81.867234 13: Emmoji - 81.683067 14: Wobert - 81.584176Scores: 15.

[frigid summit]

Commemorative message so the world never forgets I held a 0th for 5 minutes.

[supple zenith]

Noted ✅

[fickle ether]

I wasn’t able to announce my first Metanet 0th because Eddy retook it so fast xD

[north barn]

sometimes i wonder if the boards eased off from him having complete dominance because he wanted the rest of the community to be able to play the game or because he just wanted a break

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern level name of MAX-SI-D-04-03

[late wyvern]

MAX-SI-D-04-03 is called if the earth is flat then explain how my life is going consistently downhill.

[frigid summit]

I'm guessing this is euphemia's level.

Ok, it's not.

[split patio]

I'd say a combination of both. It started as the former when I was much higher, and progressively became the latter.

[split patio]

There is now: @late wyvern max dev rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Over-DEV highscore overalls for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 23, 2025 (22:45) UTC. MAX: 125.

00: aight          - 125
01: CeramicBlue    - 125
02: Eddy           - 125
03: Hild           - 125
04: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 125
05: Slomac         - 125
06: vertexv        - 125
07: NateyPooPoo    - 117
08: vector7        -  95
09: kkstrong       -  89
10: jp27ace        -  86
11: Sky!           -  73
12: Schmole        -  70
13: pralkarz       -  61
14: SimVYo         -  60
15: Kostucha       -  54
16: Wobert         -  52
17: DarkStuff?     -  50
18: ekisacik       -  48
19: auds           -  30```

[split patio]

You can actually do one more frame (see e.g. SI-C-01-01).

[north barn]

Oh it's 5f? Thought it was 4

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern how many MAX dev

[late wyvern]

pralkarz has 62 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall scores for Max mappack.

[split patio]

Yup

[frigid summit]

Just finished the tab "casually".

[north barn]

Neat

[zenith owl]

iirc it's 5 because you're still in contact with the wall for a single frame as you start moving away from it

[split patio]

Oh yeah good point, I forgot about that (acceleration in air is 0.0444, threshold for "touching" is 0.1 units).

[north barn]

Note that I account for the one frame it takes to leave the wall there, I assumed it was 4f after that first frame of movement

Oh, now I understand

...so you can press jump 5+2 = 7 frames later...

wait or is it still 6

i don't remember the order of operations for this

[split patio]

It's 6 (5 + 1), your speed will be 0.0444 in the first frame and 0.0888 in the second frame, so on the second frame you're already away from the wall. I always have trouble with the order of operations regarding the buffer as well, lol.

[north barn]

ok, so it was second-last frame coyote walljump

[supple zenith]

I’m pretty sure for oneways it’s only 4

Walls and oneways have a different threshold for touching

[north barn]

you mean 5 (5 + 0)? that would make sense

[supple zenith]

Iirc

[supple zenith]

As in your replay is actually the max allowable buffer

[north barn]

Wait that's so funny

[split patio]

Yeah I believe the 0.1 unit threshold only applies to tile collision

So for one-ways you're immediately away from it the next frame

[supple zenith]

That’s why oneways feel different from walls in general yeah?

The effect is surprisingly noticeable imo

[north barn]

Wait so if there were zero wall coyote, would pressing jump and away from the wall on the same frame not register?

[split patio]

A little less forgiving, I think I feel it yeah

[north barn]

Because I pressed jump 4 frames after leaving the wall, I thought

-# i hate sub-frame counting

[split patio]

It would register, and even if you pressed jump 1 frame after it still would, because of the 0.1 threshold

[north barn]

-# it's like arguing how many days away something is whether you count the date that you start on or not, but worse

[north barn]

Then I think I did the second-last frame, and on a wall it would be third-last

Unless the coyote time subtracts a frame instantly

[supple zenith]

Your replay is the maximum allowable buffer

Just want to be clear on that

[split patio]

Oh I didn't realize that analysis was on a one-way

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern screenshot maxsic42

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for you won't last 2 frames with me, bub (MAX-SI-C-04-02) by Slomac v1 in palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Yeah it’s this one

[split patio]

Also I believe the first frame you start pressing L or R your position doesn't actually change, only your speed, because it's done at the very end of the frame. Your position is adjusted at the start of the next frame, during integration.

According to Sim's code the buffer is set to 0 when you're touching a wall, and you remain in-buffer while it's < 5, which means you only have 4 frames (1-4) of not touching to jump. But you can add 1 more because of the effect I described above. Finally, you can add another more if you're jumping on tiles due to the threshold, leading to this:

[supple zenith]

I wonder why they didn’t change the code for wall-oriented oneways to work like tile walls

@late wyvern anim for maxsic42

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for NateyPooPoo in MAX-SI-C-04-02 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

Jumping at the start is a bit quicker

[split patio]

Also, for reference, for launchpad jumps the buffer is 3 frames and only after touching it, not before.

[outer swift]

there's no way se0303 isn't franky

i gotta check now

@late wyvern max screenshot of sie0303

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for Your Door is in Another Castle (MAX-SI-E-03-03) by frankytrees v1 in palette starfighter:

[outer swift]

yuss

the second i saw it i knew

franky made a bunch of these maps in nv2 when he mapped there

[tranquil fiber]

HBO fuckin lmaoooooooo

[outer swift]

finally someone noticed

[supple zenith]

I don’t get it

[outer swift]

hbo max

unrelated, i beat all the levels

great tab

[split patio]

Where does it say HBO though?

[outer swift]

i'm not good at highscoring, but i tried on the first couple episodes

the reactions to the forum post, at the top on pc

[split patio]

Oh lol

Planning to go for the dev scores?

[supple zenith]

Ah, can’t see those on mobile

[outer swift]

i tried doing dev times, i could get within a couple parts of a second on some and nowhere close on others

its shows the emojis if you click on the "+11" at the top on mobile

[zenith owl]

my MAX file got corrupted bc i bluescreened

[muted scroll]

You should be able…

[north barn]

So it is, I wasn't sure :)

Very close

[north barn]

That's funny, it starting from 0 and incrementing to 1 after doing the movement after the first frame and checking for less than 5 does somewhat effectively make it a 4f like I thought...

(at least, for oneways)

@fallow thorn this moment in your run is crazy, you dodge a ceiling bonk to get the literal best possible angle

i think that proves ceiling bonk is worse actually

unless parity shenanigans

[zenith owl]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-0-0

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: Sky! - 84.316105 01: CeramicBlue - 84.310449 02: YaxMin - 84.299308 03: SimVYo - 84.297060 04: Eddy - 84.292221 05: vector7 - 84.285865 06: pralkarz - 84.276326 07: golfkid - 84.254233 08: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 09: vertexv - 84.224835 10: Slomac - 84.219833 11: NateyPooPoo - 84.195410 12: kkstrong - 84.181676 13: auds - 84.130082 14: aight - 84.104568 15: ekisacik - 84.094895 16: Schmole - 84.082718 17: HamSandwich - 84.054563 18: Wobert - 84.052990 19: Kostucha - 84.036040 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 26.

[outer swift]

@late wyvern max scores for sie44

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for basic chimney 1 (MAX-SI-E-04-04) by Slomac:ansi 00: CeramicBlue - 89.024313 01: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 89.001935 02: Eddy - 88.997468 03: vertexv - 88.976254 04: Slomac - 88.965952 05: NateyPooPoo - 88.877463 06: ekisacik - 88.843125 07: aloading444 - 88.754996 08: Hild - 88.749839 09: aight - 88.638588 10: auds - 88.622053 11: pralkarz - 88.579785 12: Wobert - 88.372653 13: Emmoji - 87.404705 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 69.000000Scores: 14.

[outer swift]

Worked hard for this

I’d definitely prefer a version that says my place not the fractions of a second

[sturdy yarrow]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-0-0

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: YaxMin - 84.316376 01: Sky! - 84.316105 02: CeramicBlue - 84.313134 03: SimVYo - 84.297060 04: Eddy - 84.292221 05: vector7 - 84.285865 06: pralkarz - 84.276326 07: golfkid - 84.254233 08: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 09: vertexv - 84.224835 10: Slomac - 84.219833 11: NateyPooPoo - 84.195410 12: kkstrong - 84.181676 13: auds - 84.130082 14: aight - 84.104568 15: ekisacik - 84.094895 16: Schmole - 84.082718 17: w9555 - 84.071159 18: HamSandwich - 84.054563 19: Wobert - 84.052990 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 27.

[sturdy yarrow]

FINALLY

i dont care if i lose it i beat my level

@supple zenith

[supple zenith]

huge

[sturdy yarrow]

by a frame of a frame lol

[supple zenith]

sub-milliseconded

i told sky and now he's grinding lol

[sturdy yarrow]

someone make a valyn tab to make him busy plz

[zenith owl]

lol

using my name against me 😤

[pastel beacon]

I haven't seen the level, but I find the recorded times vs dev time gap to be hilarious

Not sure if that's a typo....?

[zenith owl]

.318 is too good at the moment, i'm mentally drained atm

lol

[supple zenith]

Setting a serious dev time for this level would have been unfair to some, so the silly number was set in its place

[pastel beacon]

Fair enough. As I say, I haven't made it that far/seen it

But I guess it's just a chimney xP

[sturdy yarrow]

hmmmm

hehe

@late wyvern spoiler anim for maxsie44

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for CeramicBlue in MAX-SI-E-04-04 using palette vasquez:

[sturdy yarrow]

||was this guy created in a lab or something what the heck||

||even eddy finger can't keep up||

[north barn]

@late wyvern anim 0 2 for max-si-b-04-04

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for jp27ace and ekisacik in MAX-SI-B-04-04 using palette quench:

[north barn]

Ah, so that's where it's all coming from

I guess running up the slope isn't really better this time...

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern scores for maxsia00

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for Max (MAX-SI-A-00-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: YaxMin - 84.317916 01: Sky! - 84.316105 02: CeramicBlue - 84.313134 03: SimVYo - 84.297060 04: Eddy - 84.292221 05: vector7 - 84.285865 06: pralkarz - 84.276326 07: golfkid - 84.254233 08: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 84.229337 09: vertexv - 84.224835 10: Slomac - 84.219833 11: NateyPooPoo - 84.217893 12: kkstrong - 84.181676 13: auds - 84.130082 14: aight - 84.104568 15: ekisacik - 84.094895 16: Schmole - 84.082718 17: w9555 - 84.071159 18: HamSandwich - 84.054563 19: Wobert - 84.052990 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 84.000000Scores: 27.

[supple zenith]

I’ve improved my score three times and haven’t left the spot between kk and slomac

(Help)

Top10 now at least. Level is pretty nutty for optimizing

[sturdy yarrow]

[sturdy yarrow]

dont forget about mAx though

[north barn]

@late wyvern anim 0 1 2 3 for max-si-c-04-00

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for ekisacik, NateyPooPoo, vertexv, and Nim "Mr. 0ths" in MAX-SI-C-04-00 using palette quench:

[north barn]

the f*ck did i do at the ending

[sturdy yarrow]

this tab reminds me of how good trigger finger is

[supple zenith]

You answered our question, looks like

[zenith owl]

pythagoras moment

[sturdy yarrow]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-0

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for mAx (MAX-SI-A-02-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: YaxMin - 83.189260 01: NateyPooPoo - 83.186398 02: Sky! - 83.169122 03: SimVYo - 83.153313 04: vector7 - 83.136677 05: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 83.103424 06: vertexv - 83.068847 07: Eddy - 83.068834 08: Schmole - 83.055104 09: Slomac - 83.053156 10: kkstrong - 83.036760 11: Hild - 83.036608 12: Kostucha - 83.003007 13: CeramicBlue - 82.949129 14: jp27ace - 82.936469 15: aight - 82.903072 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 82.900000 16: pralkarz - 82.491950 17: ekisacik - 82.486803 18: Shrike - 82.386768 19: auds - 82.299655Scores: 23.

[sturdy yarrow]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-4-0

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for maX (MAX-SI-A-04-00) by Slomac:ansi 00: YaxMin - 82.839599 01: vertexv - 82.752313 02: aight - 82.649193 03: Slomac - 82.631818 04: NateyPooPoo - 82.570160 05: CeramicBlue - 82.569747 06: Hild - 82.547586 07: Eddy - 82.535185 08: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 82.522715 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 82.500000 09: jp27ace - 82.468649 10: pralkarz - 81.847090 11: aloading444 - 81.475179 12: auds - 81.271165 13: ekisacik - 81.260638 14: Schmole - 81.079316 15: Wobert - 80.710960 16: Emmoji - 77.091225Scores: 17.

[sturdy yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

[muted scroll]

MAXmin

[north barn]

im really feeling those subframes

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern missing MAX dev scores

[late wyvern]

pralkarz is missing 62 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall scores for Max mappack.

[frigid summit]

Just two left in the first column.

[fallow thorn]

to get second place I had to drum on the space bar with both hands and hit the left arrow with my foot

[muted scroll]

Cool rankings when?

[late wyvern]

Screenshot for if the earth is flat then explain how my life is going consistently downhill (MAX-SI-D-04-03) by SuperVolcano v1 in palette vasquez:

Interpolated highscores for if the earth is flat then explain how my life is going consistently downhill (MAX-SI-D-04-03) by SuperVolcano:ansi 00: vector7 - 86.497593 01: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 86.480831 02: jp27ace - 86.479420 03: Eddy - 86.468288 04: vertexv - 86.448602 05: CeramicBlue - 86.431050 06: ekisacik - 86.426825 07: Slomac - 86.372918 08: NateyPooPoo - 86.353046 09: Hild - 86.331000 10: Wobert - 86.329433 11: aight - 86.307670 12: kkstrong - 86.289532 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 86.250000 13: pralkarz - 83.820237 14: auds - 83.185039 15: aloading444 - 73.527529 16: Emmoji - 73.346833Scores: 17.

[north barn]

interesting how the subframes on 0th indicate that 86.5 may be possible

[north barn]

interesting thought how they could now go below a frame

[muted scroll]

@late wyvern missing max dev

[late wyvern]

kkstrong is missing 1 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall scores for Max mappack.

MAX-SI-E-04-04```

[supple zenith]

not nice

[muted scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[supple zenith]

Wowoweewo

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern anim 0 9 for MAX-SI-A-01-03

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore traces for SimVYo and pralkarz in MAX-SI-A-01-03 using palette lava world:

[frigid summit]

Always feels good to get a decent run with a suboptimal route.

[north barn]

the drones do something funny at the end there

freeze position visually but they keep updating so turning happens

[sturdy yarrow]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-2

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: SimVYo - 87.629153 = 01: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 87.629153 = 02: Eddy - 87.629153 = 03: vector7 - 87.629153 = 04: YaxMin - 87.629153 = 05: CeramicBlue - 87.629152 06: jp27ace - 87.628447 07: NateyPooPoo - 87.628395 08: vertexv - 87.627345 09: Slomac - 87.627325 = 10: Sky! - 87.627325 = 11: pralkarz - 87.621717 12: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 13: aight - 87.595397 = 14: Hild - 87.595397 = 15: Kostucha - 87.583890 16: kkstrong - 87.576908 17: Shrike - 87.571363 18: Schmole - 87.560700 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 19: Wobert - 87.288342Scores: 23.

[sturdy yarrow]

bobio kinda slacking

[fallow thorn]

imagine being 0.000001 second behind 🫵 Nub Alert

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern scores for max-si-a-2-2

[late wyvern]

Interpolated highscores for thousand elegant vectors through the vast sky (MAX-SI-A-02-02) by abho:ansi 00: SimVYo - 87.629153 = 01: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 87.629153 = 02: Eddy - 87.629153 = 03: vector7 - 87.629153 = 04: YaxMin - 87.629153 = 05: CeramicBlue - 87.629153 = 06: NateyPooPoo - 87.629153 = 07: jp27ace - 87.628447 08: vertexv - 87.627345 09: Slomac - 87.627325 = 10: Sky! - 87.627325 = 11: pralkarz - 87.621717 12: ekisacik - 87.595397 = 13: aight - 87.595397 = 14: Hild - 87.595397 = 15: Kostucha - 87.583890 16: kkstrong - 87.576908 17: Shrike - 87.571363 18: Schmole - 87.560700 ++: -- DEV TIME -- - 87.550000 19: Wobert - 87.288342Scores: 23.

[supple zenith]

Ah I was hoping I tied the -1 microsecond

[zenith owl]

:(

@late wyvern max dev rank

[late wyvern]

Rankings - Over-DEV highscore overalls for Max mappack

-# Date: Jun 24, 2025 (21:18) UTC. MAX: 125.

00: aight          - 125
01: CeramicBlue    - 125
02: Eddy           - 125
03: Hild           - 125
04: Nim "Mr. 0ths" - 125
05: Sky!           - 125
06: Slomac         - 125
07: vector7        - 125
08: vertexv        - 125
09: kkstrong       - 124
10: NateyPooPoo    - 120
11: SimVYo         -  90
12: jp27ace        -  86
13: Schmole        -  85
14: pralkarz       -  71
15: Kostucha       -  54
16: Wobert         -  52
17: DarkStuff?     -  50
18: ekisacik       -  48
19: auds           -  30```

[zenith owl]

all dev times :D

i love being sorted alphabetically

instead of chronologically

[muted scroll]

@late wyvern my display name is _kkstrong

[late wyvern]

Great, from now on kkstrong will show up as _kkstrong.

[zenith owl]

@split patio patch pls ❤️

[supple zenith]

@late wyvern Anim 16 for maxsie44

[late wyvern]

Replay highscore trace for _kkstrong in MAX-SI-E-04-04 using palette galactic:

[supple zenith]

It’s ok he seems to be struggling with this one

[somber shoal]

Alright I'm in

main aim is to try and get all the dev times

[frigid summit]

@late wyvern How many MAX dev times?

[late wyvern]

pralkarz has 80 out of 125 over-DEV highscore overall scores for Max mappack.

[frigid summit]

Progress.

[pastel beacon]

@late wyvern AUTHOR FOR TAB RUINER

[late wyvern]

Sorry, I didn't understand your command.

[pastel beacon]

@late wyvern spoiler screenshot of tab ruiner

[late wyvern]

No MET matches found for tab ruiner.

[pastel beacon]

@split patio - any way to make the default outte commands use max in this thread?