Nice
#JP Discussion and Help
oblique forum
I have time for a session if you're also free . For this and corner defense/offense
@past panther
past panther
let me know tomorrow when you re free. Im free tomorrow until about 4pm my time
it s 6:22pm now
oblique forum
We're on the same timezone
I think I can around lunch time
I can ping you when I'm rdy
oblique forum
Plat 5!
And I feel like I'm not even at the limit of what i can do, when I'm losing it's due to silly mistakes and bad decision making
Not many matches where I lose and didn't know what i did wrong /what should have dond
merry crater
Damn I am getting bodied with JP lmao. Turns out he is not a one-way ticket to Master like some people claimed...
past panther
Not many matches where I lose and didn't know what i did wrong /what should have...
very good my friend
past panther
Damn I am getting bodied with JP lmao. Turns out he is not a one-way ticket to M...
you want a 1 on 1 sesh in 3 hours?
oblique forum
very good my friend
Yeah i don't k ow if master by end of week but diamond for sure
merry crater
you want a 1 on 1 sesh in 3 hours?
I could do that. It's 1:20pm where I am now, does that mean 2:30ish?
past panther
yes
merry crater
Sick, sounds good! CFN is BannerThief.
merry crater
Sorry 😭 Some shit is happening with work, gonna have to take a raincheck. Another time hopefully!
past panther
sure
oblique forum
@past panther i have 30mins now in case you have some time!
oblique forum
Not really, have a bunch f work meetings this afternoon
past panther
damn, sorry dude
i can only do in the next 3 hours or after like 9-10pm
have a buddy coming over
past panther
yea might be
oblique forum
@past panther I'm here if you're still free
oblique forum
Let's do it?
past panther
1 sec, making lobby
im on 1on1 coaching
check out this conversion
i noticed the aki had a habit of always slithering if i set out a portal
probably expecting a spike or manual portal activation
oblique forum
Ooh nice
orchid turret
check out this conversion
sickest thing I've seen all day
past panther
sickest thing I've seen all day
this is actually the sickest jp clip
what i did was just character basics
this is the SAUCE
orchid turret
nah
your clip was cool too
brian is just different
also what's the f stand for
grim lion
Foster
oblique forum
@past panther if you could later upload a recording of the post SA3 setup I'd appreciate it
🙏🏼🙏🏼
past panther
yeah for sure dude
man i just had a set that i legit won solely from amnesia conversions
feels dirty
oblique forum
Haha
Yeah some of those would be good to have a recording as well
To focus a bit on those later
I'm still working on consistency with the corner combos
So i probably won't remember some of the amnesia by the time I'm rdy for some new focus
oblique forum
Well done! 
grim lion
How many points did that give you?
past panther
270
oblique forum
oblique forum
And in good time
Next week I'm traveling for work so will go take a vacation from sf haha
past panther
perfect haha! can freely boast the diamond rank
grim lion
so JP is supposed to be good against Gief right? I have like 30% win rate in the matchup
It's 38% total and 25% in phase 2
past panther
ahh, it depends
a good gief will put that into question
keep in mind there s no matchup in this game worse than 6-4
a good tip is not being scared of being close to him
he has no defense until level 3
basically
his l2 is a reversal but meaty jab recovers in time
season 1 i had 71% vs gief and this season i got 87%
but this season im rocking alltogether so it makes sense
currently at 78% wr in 78 games w jp
if you want we can go over stuff
@grim lion
im going to sleep in 2 hours probably
so anytime
grim lion
I have many replays of me losing to Gief
I also just ran into a modern JP and that one felt gross
past panther
is there something you feel is reoccuring?
past panther
I also just ran into a modern JP and that one felt gross
i just fought a modern honda :) fuck that guy
also modern juri who never used DR
diamond is full of weirdos
grim lion
Ok actually I got fucked by a Honda too
These characters that I'd think JP is good at, I'm really bad vs
You good to hop in voice now?
past panther
sure
actually
gimme 5 mins? i wanna get in 1 more ranked game
before i stop for today
i want master by sunday so im grinding it out
past panther
okay
past panther
@grim lion had to conquer a better honda now
and the fact that we went over stuff actually helped me lol
beat him clean af
grim lion
:)
past panther
literally just matched him again after i typed this
god is sending the honda army to test me today
past panther
nice dude
i also got to D5 before shutting the game
tomorrow i should be pushing master
grim lion
My defense is so trash
past panther
best defense is good offense 😎
my defense nowadays is a rotation of amnesia, crlp, forward jump; or alternatively just delay tech
but delay tech is too risky at master rank imo
everyone shimmies
grim lion
I am no longer p4
past panther
lol
all it takes is a win vs a higher rank
mf masters boosted me 1k lp in 10 mins. saved me 14 matches worth of lp
grim lion
I lost vs p2 so...
Like actually I get hit once and lose the game
Just looping pressure as I do stupid shit
grim lion
I did like 600 damage total @past panther - NPS3LKVKR, LN7VTEFXU, S9QTFHB3D
grim lion
honestly specific replays don't matter, it's every game
merry crater
Back on my own JP bullshit later today. Tbh I think I need to just get the basics down before asking for advanced help so I've mostly just lurked this thread. 😄
past panther
I did like 600 damage total <@181487530661773312> - NPS3LKVKR, LN7VTEFXU, S9QTF...
btw i didn’t forget about you
I’m doing an apartment cleanup and I’ll be hopping on later to look at the replays and finish the master climb
been winning a lot vs some master friends today so im very confident
past panther
Back on my own JP bullshit later today. Tbh I think I need to just get the basic...
great to hear! when you feel like you wanna get that coaching sesh in let me know
oblique forum
Couldn't get to D2 , now I'll be on a break back Saturday! Then let's see where it goes ! Have a good one folks
past panther
you too boss
@grim lion instead of looking at the matches you sent i think i will look at your 3-4 most recent ones
to get a better idea of what s going wrong in them
okay so the recent matches versus ken:
-very panicky right off the get go, match just started and you re already giving up a lot of screen space
-he mashes and whiffs in front of you and you re afraid to challenge
-you drop the light link a bit too often. so instead of doing crlp crlp stlp xx L spin you do just crlp crlp pause L spin on block
-you use amnesia a bit too much given that at this point you don't know a combo that will make the risk reward worth it (also amnesia mid screen usually doesn't give any damage so it s inherently way worse than in the corner)
-we gotta go over the corner combos cause you lost out on an easy win in one of those rounds
-overall it seems like you re a bit afraid to play close up and always look to back off, which is what lost you a bunch of these interactions
past panther
let me know what you think on your part
grim lion
I did see your message, I've been trying to process and internalize it
grim lion
Watching today's DCQ vs AngryBird, he really likes to use 2MK counter hit 5LK xx spin
I don't think DCQ ever once used amnesia
Correction: he's used it once in the very last round
past panther
mid screen not worth it
past panther
Watching today's DCQ vs AngryBird, he really likes to use 2MK counter hit 5LK xx...
ye i use that too it's pretty good
grim lion
How difficult is hit confirming counter hit vs punish counter for 2mk? Because counter hit gets the 5lk, but punish counter gets 2mp
past panther
ye, well it's more reacting to whether you stuffed an attack (counterhit) or you whiff punished / punished an attack
you rarely ever get punish counter by accident and also in range of crmp
with crmk
I'd just default to the stlk followup on counterhit, or ditch the followup entirely cause it may be bad on normal hit, and go for sthp blockstring
unless you use crmk from DR, in which case on block go into crlp and on hit go into crmp
grim lion
@past panther what's the ideal PP combo? Obviously low on resources because we start at such a high scaling
past panther
depends on what you prefect parry
on a high recovery move, you can drain 4 bars with a heavy into sa2 combo
sthk sthp xx sa2 sthp fdash sthp xx H portal (walk back a bit) sthp xx DI, DR sthp xx DI
so they get drained 1 bar for PC heavy, 1 bar for sa2, and 2 bars for 2 di
grim lion
What if you don't have SA2 because you're perfect parrying Honda 12 times a round?
past panther
if i wanna be safe i just do PC crmp stmk xx M spin
if i really wanna be sure i get the punish i do PC crlp stmk xx M spin
sonic hare
Ayo Leon i wanna pick up JP, If youre down to give me any pointers or an overview sometime, let me know
Im away from home til the 15th
past panther
yeah boss, whenever you want
sonic hare
🥳
oblique forum
just got to D2 
past panther
hell yea broski
past panther
nice!
im around 67-70% myself for phase 2
going well
playing around with Dee Jay these days
oblique forum
btw, if you have a chance to record some OD amnesia combos it would be great!
I think it's something that I need to start adding to my gameplan
I rarely use it, and when I do, the best I get is a throw
which btw, why can't I throw them if I get an OD Amnesia and then they hold parry?
past panther
wut
i don t think that s a thing
except if the bomb detonates before you throw
in street fighter, unless you're punishing something, you cannot throw someone when you're more than +5
the throw has to land when they're out of blockstun or hitstun
very rough recording haha, but these are the 3 main ones
the last one ends with another L ghost H spike but i whiffed and didnt wanna re-record
so you'd use the crmp one for throws, the f.hk for DI, and the crlp into stmk for hits that you're not sure of (u gotta be at least +4 there)
ofc you can go into backthrow there but if you want pure damage it s less good
off of backthrow i usually do either sthp xx L spin for a safejump, or sthp xx portal and try hit a high/low before it pops
oblique forum
Cool will practice those!
oblique forum
i don t think that s a thing
I'll try to find a replay. Maybe i was just too slow
past panther
ye lmk
past panther
it takes some practice
for the crmp combo it’s actually one of the two things I had to sit and lab with JP
that’s the tricky one cause you have to manually time the portal right as the first bomb explodes
oblique forum
Ååh didnt notice that
It explains why i can't do it
Hard to see on the video without input history haha
past panther
i didn't include the input history because i was tired and I mashed a lot and didn't want you do learn like that 🤣🤣
the other ones are cancelled right away tho, just this one is like that
also there's an easier version of the combo but it does 600 less damage
oblique forum
Haha
Fair enough
But I can combo it's just getting the first hit after amnesia as PC that I'm having a hard time
past panther
u can mash that one ngl
i only avoid the mash in the crlp stmk one
since lights chain and it will kill my combo
oblique forum
True
oblique forum
3payq4dda
I thought I had the safe jump after that OD in round 1
And, on round 2 is one example where i OD they blocked the bombs and I whiffed throws (granted i also mis imputed and got some low kicks as well, this happened again later and cost me the match)
At least i won the next two for the set 😄
past panther
I'll look in 2-3 hours my man, taking a break right now
until then, you can check this. it's JP's signature corner loop
oblique forum
haha no prob, more for me to drill on the inputs
and then set up in the lab
btw, my flatbox arrived today!
Would you recommend me learning it with JP, or keep with JP + D-pad until Master, and in parallell work on flatbox + someone else?
grim lion
Dee Jay can drive rush through command grab
So he can parry ghosts and reactively drive rush if you're mixing command grab in
Or just drive rush ghosts because that always works
past panther
that's on OS that a lot of chars can do
works vs fake ghost too
just hold parry a bit and DR from that
jamie can do it too
and ken
bitter roost
past panther
if im not mistaken, OD grab and od / light ghost are better
second hit of od ghost hits em sometimes
sinful island
Pm
grim lion
I am now p5
past panther
hell yeah! so close
grim lion
I hate marisa so much
With Cammy I can whiff punish, JP I just get burnt out by plus frames
grim lion
Yeah, its Not Fun
So many one and dones too
My favorite was the rage quit in game 2 in between rounds
past panther
i climbed some of my older char tries from gold to plat today and lol i would be almost winning and they hit me with the wakeup level 3 into alt+f4 combo
tough acorn
@past panther you still taking people to teach JP?
past panther
sure, but aren't you focusing on ken?
oblique forum
@past panther do you have any shortcuts that are useful to JP on leverless?
Also, do you know a shortcut for Ryus DP into SA3?
past panther
yea
👊 Kick
the super requires full motion but you can use the first qcf for it
as for jp shortcuts, no
shortcuts are mostly for inputs like 360 or DP, and JP only has qcb and qcf and dd
oblique forum
Yeah i really liked the 
DP shortcut but that doesn't work for sa3
past panther
no, dp into sa3 needs full inputs sadly
oblique forum
Oh well
I tried JPs bnbs and got fairly consistent on P1 side
But need to work on p2 side
My dexterity for the qcf there needs work
Can do if i don't use my ring finger though
past panther
#sf_coaching message
oblique forum
Against guile, should my goal be to outzone him?
grim lion
Spike does knockdown, normal boom doesn't
Trading spike for boom is a winning trade
So if guile wants to play the projectile game, you're winning
Unfortunately guile players seem to know that so they want to scrap and I have no clue how to deal with their kicks
oblique forum
Yeah they get in and i don't really get a hit
And can't keep them far long enough
I'm losing so much since I got to D2, I'm getting tilted
I played the tournament yesterday and played horribly on the finals
Losing 3-0 to manon
Even the BNB isn't getting in these days
I'm doing DRC into 👊 instead of the cancel into spin
And random sweeps instead of AA
oblique forum
Let's do it!
grim lion
I'm doing DRC into <:3_:833511350134112258> 👊 instead of the cancel into spin
If you're like me, you're probably rushing too fast and need to just slow down a bit
past panther
yeah remember guys the window for that is very big
i am intentionally late sometimes to get a bit of extra distance
from the drive rush
to the corner
grim lion
The 2hp window isn't too big but the cancel spin window is pretty big
oblique forum
Then they blocl XD
oblique forum
Cool joining
grim lion
DRC into 2hp feels fairly tight for me, I can regularly be late
But that's because it's direction changes
past panther
u wanna go vs marisa / dee jay / cammy / sim?
grim lion
2hp xx spin is very familiar because I'm used to that motion from Cammy
oblique forum
Sim and Marisa ft5s?
past panther
sure
oblique forum
Aaaah gg
past panther
i cant do sthp
oblique forum
Lol wdym
oblique forum
Haha whoops
past panther
i
past panther
i have to press super hard
oblique forum
No bueno
oblique forum
Sad
past panther
gimme 2 secs
i gotta press i super hard to get it out
wait
i think i fixed it
ok we can play
oblique forum
oblique forum
Agreed
past panther
you re never wanting to get close
and in a matchup like sim that means you won t win
sim is only good close if he s running his own offense
his tools to check shit like DR crmk are shitty
you let me sit full screen and just TP react to what you wanted to throw out
and JP can t check full height float with anything except jump mk
so u gotta chase in this MU
oblique forum
On the Marisa game any tips? Other than be quicker with Cr mk to cancel gladius?
And yeah i don't really know many options when full screen
Other than what I'm doing
past panther
hmm, well on marissa i mostly won cause you press a lot when you re minus and when im running my blockstring
also on read jumps
my marissa sucks but i run offense so
i can get wins
oblique forum
Yeah, i know there's a gap in mp mp if blocked but hard to get if OD or far glafius
Haha
past panther
lol, hit u with the good old
past panther
well you kinda gave up on full screen this time
there s a mix of things
use portals not just for full screen
set em up on oki and use to approach
don t autotrigger or tp from em, just use em to cover you getting close
the plan vs sim is
walk him to the corner and then check his TP
when he wants to get out
oblique forum
Noted
past panther
yes and no, it depends on the sim
the spinning head is cancellable into TP
so he can tp behind you
oblique forum
Had to juggle after but that's fine
past panther
but drills are not cancellable
and only 2 of his long range normals are cancellable
sthk which whiffs on crouching opponents
and crmp which is kinda short range
and whiff punishable
i was using that when u were in the corner
u can def look to jump more vs sim
but try not to be predictable with it
oblique forum
👍🏾
past panther
you wanna fight my DJ?
oblique forum
Such a weird character
Yeah let's do it
Dj I usually fare well
If i can check dr
past panther
ggs
oblique forum
Missed my chance to get a ft5 from you haha
oblique forum
Yeah you missed some good opportunity
past panther
not that i could have used em anyways lol
i just know the DI combo and the medium bnb
but it s more that
when a char like dj has good tools
u don t need jack shit to win haha
all the fancy stuff is extra
past panther
ggs
overall, i think you have some fixations
also sthk in neutral is a fixation, it s good when it works but if it whiffs you get punished , and it whiffs a lot especially if the other guy is crouching
that s why we use sthp
better reward on whiff punish and hard to whiff punish itself
i get that you like the comfort of hit confirming the target combo
but don t use it as a crutch
it s almost certainly gonna get nerfed since it s kinda whack at -3 rn
and then it will become a way riskier tool
also i saw you were buffering spin from sthp instead of ghost
one of the upsides of using ghost is DI safety
if all your blockstring enders are spin, i ll start DI ing galore
the other upside is i actually gotta commit to parry or take the drive damage / react to the high/low
and you know that if i commit to parry you can fake and dr throw me
oblique forum
Yeah i don't use st HP that much
The tcnis too good haha
past panther
it is until it isn't I'd say
oblique forum
Good call on the spin buffering
past panther
it s way more whiff punishable
but it can work
im only saying it cause i died a lot getting whiff punished for it
i used to chuck it a lot in neutral
and confirm it into crmp
but i feel it s too risky now at most ranges
so i keep it for oki and DR
grim lion
What's our tool to check DR?
grim lion
woo
I really struggle with burst mobility and getting cornered
Combine the two and I just die
Worst matchups are:
Blanka - 14%, 7 battles
EHonda - 27%, 18 battles
Lily - 31 %, 19 battles
Kimberly - 33%, 3 battles so doesn't really count
I actually have a notable winning matchup vs
Dee Jay - 73%, 34 battles
Cammy - 57%, 42 battles
Any clue what weakness this indicates?
Full stats:
past panther
woo
NICE!! Officially my mission and also yours is complete! XD. what we do from now on is the sequel
grim lion
Huh yeah
By the time I got plat I stopped thinking Diamond was a goal and Masters replaced it
past panther
good, that's the way
you've probably been cooking some diamonds too
lemme adress your question
past panther
Full stats:
hmm. You're mostly negative against either chars that need labbing to beat (usually control the match with specials and you gotta play around their kit e.g honda, marisa, blanka) or versus chars that have an easier time getting in or a good DR to go past your ghosts. my guess is you're also probably flowcharting a bit at full screen so you won't allow yourself to expect a mid-full screen DR that will make you whiff your autopilot
the exception to what i said to you is cammy, probably cause you played her and u are more familiar with her kit so you know what to look for
am I close?
grim lion
Dee Jay feels like the biggest exception
grim lion
Probably, I definitely ran into a lot that used the double projectile spam so I just OD ghost spike them
past panther
ye, they don't adapt to the JP matchup and they die for it
grim lion
I did run into one that just sat in front of me and I couldn't touch him
past panther
those are the scary ones
btw if you wanna catch some matches tomorrow let me know, I'm cooking a mean kim in the lab these days
grim lion
I probably won't play until after Thanksgiving actually, traveling for it
@past panther do you sleep?
past panther
I probably won't play until after Thanksgiving actually, traveling for it
ngl i got no idea when thanksgiving is
grim lion
Next week
past panther
ah aight
grim lion
It's a glorious time of overeating and family drama
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oblique forum
Welcome to diamond @grim lion !
Good job
I'm thinking if I should keep on grinding until master and then learn hitbox, or pause ranked for a while to get used to it and come back better
Or both. Keep grinding until EOY, if i don't get to master i switch to learn flatbox and another char to take a. Break from it
And the moment the other char hits diamond i know I'm rdy to come back
oblique forum
Why do I get the PC on throw but not on stHP?
grim lion
Amnesia is 18f recovery, which puts you +6 vs a perfectly meaty throw or +8 vs a normal throw
5hp is 12f startup, throw is 5f startup
oblique forum
I mean, Ryus 5hp meaty
grim lion
Meanwhile Ryu 5hp is 18f recovery, so you're even if it's meaty
It's based on the recovery of the move hitting
oblique forum
Hmmmm
grim lion
If it's best case scenario, you'll be +6 vs Ryu 5hp
I think actually +1 if it perfectly meaty
If you amnesia it raw, without the meaty, you should get the PC
Assuming the math I did is right
I might be off by 1
oblique forum
Ryus, since i would be only +1
grim lion
That's if it's perfectly meaty
Very last of the active frames
Even so, being plus is helpful
Throw is 23f recovery, 26 if it's blocked frame 1
24 if it's as meaty as possible
grim lion
I call them pogo players
oblique forum
Haha good one
grim lion
Blocking jab with amnesia actually leaves you negative
Usually anywhere from -8 to -10
oblique forum
Só it's a bigger gamble than I thought
In other words, I'd I'm against JP and worried about amnesia i should only meat jabs? XD
past panther
@oblique forum no ryu will do 5hp meaty. either 5MP or 6HP
grim lion
I think I see people do portal 6hk xx OD ghost spike 5hp xx spike?
But I might be wrong
past panther
nah, the optimal is some complicated ish
portal, jumping normal framekill, sthp xx M ghost, f.hk xx M ghost, sthp xx spike
oblique forum
Yeah good enough and simple is what I need haha
I'm playing so bad these days that I lost to bunch of plat4 today's just by poor execution
grim lion
What's an example of the whatever u want?
past panther
so
if it s gonna kill you do sthp xx OD ghost, spike, qcf+lp xx SA3
or SA1 instead of qcf+lp xx sa3
if you want the setup, you do st.hp xx spike
and then OD portal right away, which will leave you +2 iirc
so you can throw them and juggle again with the portal into sthp xx spike and loop it again, you can do st.lk xx L spin which will beat mashing and juggle again into sthp xx spike, or you can do meaty cr.mp xx L portal j.hk, fjump j.lk, and it will be an instant overhead setup, and rejuggle them into sthp xx spike
oblique forum
I'll practice this tomorrow!
past panther
or just portal instantly and it will beat OD DP
past panther
I'll practice this tomorrow!
https://twitter.com/Bri4nF/status/1669737792975388...
very useful
oblique forum
What are your guys warmup routines before going into ranked?
Lately I've been doing the DI corner combos
oblique forum
(I still can't hit the meaty throw after fHK spin crHP OD portal. The throw i fail if the dummy is set to jab)
past panther
What are your guys warmup routines before going into ranked?
i either play a set w someone or just hop in right away
oblique forum
I'm playing so bad this week that i think I need a proper warmu. Today i got tilted before Getting anywhere close to what i can usually do
past panther
(I still can't hit the meaty throw after fHK spin crHP OD portal. The throw i fa...
crhp?
oblique forum
So i rage quitted after 45mins
oblique forum
Maybe i misrember it?
I wouldn't be surprised
But the goal was to reset but be ready to grab when they land, and the throw connects with the second portal
Can't find the big message with the combos anymore
I think I'm tripping
steel oriole
@past panther if a spot opens up and you're willing to teach a noob modern JP, I'd love to learn from you sometime
past panther
hey, sadly i know jack shit about modern JP. he loses too important tools to be used like that well imo
past panther
This is the max damage sequence from the od portal setup followed up with stlk xx L spin which will catch mash
grim lion
Man watching Brian F do sa2 combos made me really want to learn them. They looks so cool
grim lion
His recent video (playing in the world worrior) had so many varieties
past panther
there's 4 or 5 to know
grim lion
There's burnout combos, there's combos to cause burnout, there's juggle combos, there's corner combos, there's unblockable combos, it's great
What's the most generic one I can start learning? Like usable in most situations even if it's not most optimal
I should also learn an SA1 combo just to have it
Any suggestions?
past panther
yeah gimme a sec I'll list them out for you
the basic SA2 combo is HK HP xx sa2, sthk, sthk hp xx H portal, sthk hp xx L spike, H spin, M ghost, H spike
that's also the same combo for the reset but instead of L spike you either finish the target combo or do M/H ghost and the portal will pick up the juggle
other than that midscreen you only got the cmd grab reset, the corner adaptation of the regular combo, the sideswitch combo, and the meter drain combo
also the 2 juggle setups for the corner
grim lion
How do you get HK HP xx sa2? Just fish for it off oki?
Also storing the whole sequence in my head is so tough
Huh, we can dump SA3 fairly easily if we want to. I've never practiced random special into SA3 inputs but 2LP xx L spin xx SA3 does only 822 less damage than the full 3 bar BNB into SA3
lp lp lp xx L spin xx SA3 however does only 3510 damage instead of 4k that lp
grim lion
and then OD portal right away, which will leave you +2 iirc
+4 if linked properly
Which allows an easily meaty throw
Just mashed, the throw combos into the portal spike
grim lion
On ranked, I just ran into one of my local TOs who mains my worst matchup (Honda). Won 2-0
past panther
How do you get HK HP xx sa2? Just fish for it off oki?
as a punish or as a dp punish or from DR or a jump in
past panther
+4 if linked properly
right
past panther
Just mashed, the throw combos into the portal spike
yea as I said, it rejuggles into the same loop or into the max damage variation with no portal loop
oblique forum
I noticed that people who are a bit more patient end up winning me
Because on neutral i end up being whiff punished
past panther
i getchu
oblique forum
That's why I wanted to practice just footsies
oblique forum
I do
Haha
Can't just keep on the stare down haha
Let's do ft3 since there's another person you will play with
oblique forum
Gg! This is fun though
past panther
sthk has a lot of active frames, and sthp/stmp are very disjointed so you can t clip em
oblique forum
I need to be more patient and press less haha
oblique forum
Let's do it
past panther
if you can handle kim stuff lol
oblique forum
Need a bathroom break
past panther
ggs
oblique forum
Wasn't rdy for the whiff
oblique forum
Same 🫡
past panther
oh btw
for the future kims you play
elbow drop is -2 on block
you can challenge after you block it
it s mostly good to bait AAs
oblique forum
Also good as round start neutral jump, I noticrd
past panther
well yeah beats DR and baits DP
oblique forum
Is there anything sadder than when they whiff their meaty right when you OD amnesia?
past panther
it’s a valid tactic but they re surely not doing it intentionally to you lol
it happens to me when I play higher mr masters
they intentionally mistime a slow attack like an overhead
oblique forum
No they're not haha
Btw if I get a PC on MP i can't do shit right?
Only +5 or so?
oblique forum
Very tight I'll try
oblique forum
Some days are weird
I started and had a very nice run
From mid D1 to mid d2
Then I'm now back at mid D1 lol
past panther
had a bad day myself lol
oblique forum
It was good until it wasn't here haha
And I'm not even playing poorly
Lost many 2-1 :/
oblique forum
What's our best option against heavy dragon lash?
past panther
perfect parry lol
other than that you get a jab juggle
jab sthp xx spike
can go into sa3 obv
other than that you can amnesia on reaction but you don t get anything guaranteed and at that point if you can react there just jab it
or do early Di
oblique forum
Yeah I'm getting tilted at it
Because i get countered di
And if i miss the Pparry i am in hit throw mixup 😭
past panther
late DI will get you killed
I usually block the jinrai and perfect parry the crlp that comes after it
ken doesn’t have time to shimmy there so delay tech wins, so most kens to tick throw with crlp
so I usually perfect parry that crlp
past panther
it’s not intentional like what I think is optimal, but it works out a lot for me
that way it’s not on my mental stack vs ken
oblique forum
I'm trying this side switch DI combo but this timing is so hard!!
DI-> qcb hpmp
crlp xx l spin
Dash twice( side switches)
Jump mk
stHP spike
I really can't get the jump mk to stHP juggle
grim lion
Does it require a delay?
I'm wondering if it has to be descending mk so you cancel the endlag sooner
oblique forum
Descending mk?
grim lion
Like right before you hit the ground
The air juggle still happens, but you can swing faster after the hit
I can't test, just theorizing
oblique forum
Hmmmmm
past panther
I really can't get the jump mk to stHP juggle
you need to hit the jmk late
oblique forum
Few things are as satisfying as winning against a blanka by så 3 the ball
past panther
haha, I super blanka and honda a lot, and the key is to have L portal set up cause it can punish their specials when you block them, or cover your DR when you go for your own turn after blocking them
oblique forum
Yeah I've been doing that
Also for cammy and ken who are always getting too close too soon
oblique forum
oblique forum
In a few, I'm in a good streak
past panther
sure, @ me
oblique forum
Will do
oblique forum
Let's do it @past panther
past panther
ok
oblique forum
Lol
Trying to drive reversal
Ffs
I can't even haha
One hit and I'm at the corner dying 😭
past panther
well it seems this matchup is showing your weaknesses haha
close range
dun dun dun
past panther
yea
when i do stmk xx run on you
that s fake
u can jab it
whenever u block a hit of mine u can jab the run after
oblique forum
👍🏾
past panther
you can t portal in this MU
oblique forum
Is it even possible to check the run?
past panther
yes
you just auto jab after any stmk i throw out
gotta be crlp not stlp
stlp is 6f
past panther
see
oblique forum
Yeah,
It was supposed to be di not Dr and burnout. 😅
Oh nooo
I had it
Spike sa 1 ggs
past panther
you re wild for that
oblique forum
What?
past panther
for the raw sa1 hoping i Di
oblique forum
All risk no reward haha
past panther
GGS
oblique forum
Åh i was buffering
past panther
real? nice then
oblique forum
Yeah, got in the habit of buffering when in burnout
It either gets a DI or when they're going for a hit
past panther
also you commit too much fro HK HP target combo on block. i would say either go for ghost or just do it on block normally at -3
3 bars for a throw isn't that worth it on JP
cause throw gives no oki
on kim or cammy or ken it s worth more cause you get pressure after the corner carry of the throw
like how i was always doing DR stmp after my fthrow on you
i just keep up the + frames
oblique forum
Yeah I tend to do that and go for tick throw a lot
Kim has ridiculous corner carry
One hit and i am in the corner
And her overhead i think it's one of the hardest to read/react
Also i dropped the corner combo twice, the 5hp OD ghost
Cost me two rounds 😅
past panther
yeah well she needs it tbh haha
she does fuck all damage
versus JP, i can force him to play close
but i need to win 4-5 interactions to get the round
and he needs to win 2
because JP can do 3-4k per interaction, 6k with sa3
and kim needs 3 bars to do 2500 dmg
her max damage combo 6 bar sa3 is like 5.3k midscreen too
and she has no reversal so if i go for that and i mess up meaty and get backthrown i lose the round straight up
oblique forum
Can't get any more clutch than MQLY3KVDP
grim lion
Any thoughts on why JP is so under-represented in Capcom Cup relative to peoples opinions that he's top 2?
Luke - 9
Ken - 7
DJ - 6
Chun - 4
JP/Juri at 3
grim lion
That'd be #4
grim lion
Technically it's 10 Luke's, but one was split in the graphic because the 10th was on Modern
oblique forum
And since he hasn't as many options for getting in like Luke ken dj
People prefer them
grim lion
9 more players still to qualify, so technically JP could spike to #1 but realistically it'll probably keep similar distributions. I'm hoping we'll get a few of the non-qualified characters (Ryu, Jamie, Kim, Manon, Lily, Aki, and Honda)
My gut says JP is top 2 but the mental stack of our own offensive is hard enough it can be detrimental
Just so many combo routes
past panther
i think JP has tough matchups into luke dj and ken, so there s less incentive to pick him. also a lot of people learned and got used to him now
also
DR jab is so insanely good right now
and JP can t do it
grim lion
And then you get funny things like the game winning combo dropped for no reason because it was that one pixel of spacing and all other times it should have worked
past panther
im not a downplayer by nature but i think JP is 4th and chun is 5th in the game
luke nr 1, dj nr2, ken nr 3
grim lion
What makes Luke so good? I've always thought he was comfortably top tier but nothing stands out to make him best
past panther
yeah exactly
he s solid as shit
best sa1 in the game, huge ass normals, crmp arguably the best button in the game, 70% combos midscreen, amazing fireballs
grim lion
I don't like his model, he looks like his arms are stuffed with rice
past panther
i don t like him either
boys, i got master on kim too
blanka is next
don t hate me
oblique forum
I don't like his model, he looks like his arms are stuffed with rice
True wtf are those arms
oblique forum
don t hate me
You're not making that easy who's next? Honda? Haha
Nice job with Kim! Gl with ball boy
past panther
cheers dude
past panther
You're not making that easy who's next? Honda? Haha
my honda is already diamond so who knows
i don t even know a combo, imagine if i learn that xd
instant master
but realistically speaking, honda is not on the list, he s so boring
oblique forum
Spam buttslam and command grab if they parry and you're golden
past panther
yeah XD
im just taking every char that has setup for a spin tbh.. so after that maybe dee jay? he s got some cool af shit and he s also generally super good
oblique forum
I'm planning on learning cammy as my hitbox char after I get JP to master
past panther
good choice
will make this matchup better for you on the JP side too
i like cammy
past panther
she s fun, took her on a run to diamond too, but to me she has some matchups where it feels super super hard to win
also i just don t vibe w the playstyle enough to put serious time into her
oblique forum
I like the one hit win situation
Did you watch angry bird vs big bird?
20 secon rounds haha
past panther
yea it s satisfying for sure, i just feel like in some MUs those situations don t come up, so you gotta chip them out with small interactions and it just feels like some other character would feel better there yk? haha
oblique forum
Yeah, it's like gief in that sense
Btw
I noticed i have a weird pattern
When I get them in the corner and keep pressuring, when they're about to die i end up giving space and lose because i become too passive
Especially against the campus / lukes / ken /Kim because in one hit they take me to the other corner
Also, what are some good pressure options when on burnout but they're in the corner?
past panther
sthp xx ghost again and again lol
i just spam that shit also i delay em a bit to look for whiffs
oblique forum
I meant, I'm in burnout but they're in the corner
oblique forum
Ah
past panther
you feel like you can't do that in burnout?
oblique forum
Nah i can. It's because this is also what i do when they're in burnout and close range before sneaking a DI
Btw this is the combo i mentioned that in trying to add to the repertoire
oblique forum
Soooo hard with the timings
past panther
it s also a good corner carry option
ehhh, only the jmk is hard ish but it gets easy once u get a bit of practice
oblique forum
I whiff the crlp more than I'd like
Does it need to be a 0f link to OD portal and crlp?
Feels like it 😅
past panther
it s not a link
it s a cancel
oh mb what
i got confused there for a second
uhh yeah it has to be pretty tight
just get used to the timing
oblique forum
yeah, I'm using the visual cue of doing the i put as soon as the cane hits the opponent on the DI animation
oblique forum
This new costume is Soo cool
The worst thing about jp for me was the costumes 1/2
Now we're talking
Also i few bad beating gief costume 3 . He looks like such a nice guy haha
past panther
yeah this one is super good
oblique forum
I dont know how you or others can play multiple chars
Today i tried playing Ryu and it felt like i never did it before haha
grim lion
just lost a game because of the gief bug
past panther
I got good fundamentals that I can rely on for a basic gameplan on any character
punishment and whiff punishment, light strings / tick throws / anti airs
will get you far
past panther
how did you do in Underdogs @oblique forum ?
oblique forum
not bad not great 😄
past panther
what beat you?
oblique forum
I lost 0-3 to a juri, but I was unfocused tbh
negotiating dinner with wife in the middle
should've won but dropped combos too much
the chun li was pretty tough to win
if chun wins 3-0 I'll play her again
past panther
nice
i ll be watching
Ximads is a friend of mine so i watched UD this week and the last
oblique forum
👁️ 👁️
@past panther was a good punish for this chun li punch, medium I think?
I tried but missed a lot because my sthp was too slow and mk wasn't in range
maybe crmp?
past panther
for what?
crmp has less reach than stmk
for chun sthp? it s safe
esp cause she can cancel it into stance and frame trap
but it loses to Di
oblique forum
okey I will play again against chun
oblique forum
yup
past panther
everyone in your group had a free win right
past panther
so you re 3-2 then
oblique forum
lessgo
past panther
gl
don t be afraid to drive reversal when she uses DR to maintain blockstrings
and she seems to block the sthp xx high ghost. use the low one
nice comback game 1
nice r2
game 2*
oblique forum
fml, spike didn't come out :((
past panther
match 3 round 1 you could have killed with sa1 after sthp xx spike
also the proper amnesia throw punish
happens, fumbled the bag haha
you were probably nervous af
oblique forum
Hah yeah i lost focus tbh
And yeah i didn't want to risk the proper amnesia ombo ir the di side switch on the finals 😬😬
The whiffed Sa3 after missing spike of the BNB got to me
It went downhill from there 🥲
The clutch AAa end of game 2 was niiiice
oblique forum
There's more next week 😄
past panther
you two should enter underdogs today
oblique forum
I will next Monday! I have been traveling all week but just got back
past panther
nice
grim lion
I haven't played since the 2nd, just loaded up and did really well actually
net gains in ranked despite the rust
past panther
nice boss!
lyric cloud
Is the two spots already taken?
past panther
Is the two spots already taken?
the boys are already diamond so both spots are free in that way haha
we just keep up with how we re all doing with ranked and stuff
lyric cloud
Ah i'm a Diamobd too just want to repeat the basic and improve what lacks
lyric cloud
Not sure, i think my defence lacks sometimes and i try to jump away from the corner while in frame trap
Got some combos, maybe i meed to confirm more with the lights
past panther
you wanna share a replay or we can play sets and i can give feedback
oblique forum
This one felt good END7KEG39
lyric cloud
you wanna share a replay or we can play sets and i can give feedback
Yeps sounds good to me! Will send you the usercode and some replay where i lost drastically
lyric cloud
I'm away for work all day today but here is my usercode
If you would watch some replay and give me any feedback you could think of let me know
I'll be online at 23:30 UK time
past panther
sure, I’ll be at uni until 5 hours from now so after that
oblique forum
one more!!!
past panther
one more!!!
let's go
oblique forum
If all goes well, i won't be able to join the tournament Monday 😄
past panther
haha! you can join the Friday one with me
past panther
true
you can tell @grim lion how fun tournaments are and maybe he can join w us too
past panther
im glad to hear!!
grim lion
I haven't been as JP though, I was playing Cammy at them all previously
Aw it's 9pm for the event, that sucks
0-2 and a reasonable bed time
oblique forum
I might go to locals here the following Monday
sharp dove
hey I don't know if you're still looking but I'd be willing to take you up on the coaching
been playing JP since release and looking to become more consistent
past panther
sure thing
you and @lyric cloud can be the next two 🤣
let me know when you two are available we can talk about your play and JP shit
lyric cloud
FF65K9EKF
4BWLNWEYY
SWQWWJDJH
Few of the replays i did on the tournament tonight
All Lost 😂😭
past panther
i ll take a look tonight
it s good that you play in underdogs
i played in it once too when i was new to jp
sharp dove
let me know when you two are available we can talk about your play and JP shit
I'm available all weekend. out of school for winter break so not too much going on right now lol
lyric cloud
it s good that you play in underdogs
Got a chance finally as i finished earlier to work, lost to a JP and a DeeJay i think
lyric cloud
I'm available all weekend. out of school for winter break so not too much going ...
Same but got a tournament today at 12
oblique forum
24k LP, Just a 20 Win streak away 😅
sharp dove
Same but got a tournament today at 12
how about 6 tonight
past panther
i got 4 hours starting now in which I can help y all out today. otherwise most of tomorrow i’ll be able to
sharp dove
i got 4 hours starting now in which I can help y all out today. otherwise most o...
I got an hour to practice. my code is 3813936858
past panther
apologies friend, something came up, but tomorrow i ll be freer
I'll let y all know
oblique forum
one more set to go
But I will do that tomorrow after the last tournament for me haha
past panther
let s get it bro
past panther
sure
oblique forum
Wow, such a bad underdog for me
lost 2-3 to juri, 2-3 to ken, 2-3 to rashid 😦
At least I won against kimberly 3-1
but also a bit sick, so not at best :/
merry crater
Now that I reached my goal of Diamond on Manon, JP is my guy for a while. Damn this character is a breath of fresh air.
I will practice his BNBs in casuals and BH for a bit before hitting ranked.
past panther
It has happened <@181487530661773312> !
hell yeah man!
past panther
I will practice his BNBs in casuals and BH for a bit before hitting ranked.
keep us updated
oblique forum
Why some people prefer doing HK crMP instead of the TC?
past panther
it s better