Currently super/ultra gold with Mika right now and have done okay in trying to learn on my own with the occasional question, but I feel like i'd get more mileage from asking for outside help in finding cracks in my gameplay/gaps in matchup knowledge that i can't spot immediately.
#Looking for help to up SF game with Mika
mossy hamlet
gleaming locust
Do you have a replay you could drop
We've got some Mikas around here who like to help folks
@lapis ermine and @rare gorge
rare gorge
post replay or cfn so i can search
is there a mu in particular that you are struggling with
lapis ermine
There's always going to be the base question - are you punishing things with your bnbs if possible? the best you can do
Like if you're doing cr.lp > cr.lp against Luke lp dp or something
mossy hamlet
My CFN should be IRecon, i'll start posting some replays after my sessions
mossy hamlet
There's always going to be the base question - are you punishing things with you...
I've been defaulting to st.mp > st.hp > heavy peach if possible, but for light punishes, i'd go for cr.lp > cr.lp xx light peach
lapis ermine
is that an i or an L
mossy hamlet
L right for light?
rare gorge
he means in your cfn
lapis ermine
I watched 2 where you won so far
- your stMp hit confirms need work. From neutral is one thing but fHp > stMp is the easier one. It seems like you don't confirm and just cancel right into it (it's a link)
- spending meter on TC xx ex peach when you could do hp peach for similar valje
If you land fHp in the corner, you can always get crmp reset
If cc, you do a second fhp then crmp
mossy hamlet
Yea i only realized a week ago that ex peach can be linked to from st.mp haha, always thought I was supposed to hitconfirm with a cancel
lapis ermine
I've seen you not do anything twice
mossy hamlet
i do realize that im not using my meter well, in situations that can be done without I usually have a bad habit of spending it when i can save it
mossy hamlet
If you land fHp in the corner, you can always get crmp reset
If cc, you do a sec...
I've been doing my best to do the crmp reset, but after a cc and second fhp > crmp i think you can side switch right?
lapis ermine
Yes
mossy hamlet
i haven't been very consistent with getting it outside of the training room, but is there a certain height you want to hit the opponent at with crmp?
lapis ermine
You can with normal fhp as well
Yes, it won't work after something like clap > bounce > fHp
That requires VT
But raw will always allow it if you don't goof the height with crmp
mossy hamlet
okay i'll try to work on applying it to my gameplay
lapis ermine
Haha you have the same bad habit as I do of overusing dive bomb 😭
mossy hamlet
yea its so good tho for anti airs but i gotta learn when to start the brakes when my opponents can't anti air and im giving them a free punish haha
lapis ermine
StMp isn't plus oB and it's gonna be a hard habit to break later if you don't try to do it less now
Using lights for meaties is good
mossy hamlet
StMp isn't plus oB and it's gonna be a hard habit to break later if you don't tr...
Okay, i did notice that my stmp meaties don't really lead into much unless my opponent is mashing, whereas i can get a counter hit light link into stmp
Do you usually confirm counterhit lights into stmp or do you usually just throw it out after and then confirm if the stmp hit?
mossy hamlet
against 4f characters, it's "safe" to do cr.lp > st.mp
against 3f, it's safer to...
Is there a chart for characters with 3f normals? I think i saw one in the resources.
lapis ermine
yes it's in #sf_coaching , it's a pinned message
rare gorge
no one in gold is going to be mashing their 3f to beat the gap from cr lp to st mp
lapis ermine
build good habits if possible
mossy hamlet
no one in gold is going to be mashing their 3f to beat the gap from cr lp to st ...
no prob not haha
rare gorge
only like 2 or 3 people in my entire career have done that
mossy hamlet
is there a good answer to vshift? When i feel like they are going for it, i tend to use meaty normal throw to catch it, but im wondering if there is something more optimal that i can do to cover it
rare gorge
catching v shift depends on the kd
or the situation but normal throw into ex peach is the standard
mossy hamlet
so i'd whiff normal throw into ex peach to catch v shifts
rare gorge
yes
mossy hamlet
How do you deal with opponents that play a more turtle playstyle like guile or alex?
Currently i just walk and block until i can poke with dropkick or stmk, but wanted to check if this the correct play?
They tend to just watch for dashes and jump ins
rare gorge
guile is harder than alex
alexs normal anti air loses to splash and hes a 4fer with no ex reversal
rare gorge
this was kinda just a slug fest but i want you to take notice of alex having issues on knockdown and especially in the corner
the st mk/cr mp setups in the corner are +1 ob and alex is a 4fer which means the st mk/cr mp into command grab are real
mossy hamlet
the st mk/cr mp setups in the corner are +1 ob and alex is a 4fer which means th...
so say alex had a 3f, he would be able to jab out of that setup?
rare gorge
yes
but you could use a normal instead that would ch them
and that would be the mixup
mossy hamlet
got it, theres alot of alex players in my rank, so i'll take note of how much more pressure i can apply on them
rare gorge
a lot of people dont think the st mk is + ob in that setup so they are likely to press
just frame trap them with cr lp and then go into st mp combo
practice it in training mode
mossy hamlet
alright will do, need to get the muscle memory
rare gorge
set it up so youre in the corner and have alex do cr lp on guard
then do brimstone > wiff cr lp > st mk meaty
another set up from brimstone in the corner is
brimstone > wiff cr lp > lady mika
and from there you get the traditional mixup off of lady mika ob which would be like st mp or ex typhoon
mossy hamlet
for the whiff cr lp, do you usually mash it to get it at the earliest frame possible or just time it?
rare gorge
i usually just time it
mossy hamlet
alright i'll have to work on getting the timing right then
mossy hamlet
and from there you get the traditional mixup off of lady mika ob which would be ...
So for this would we opt for ex typhoon if they aren't in kill or stun range? Or just do it to get the dmg
mossy hamlet
alright, also if im doing the st mk setup correctly it leaves us at +1 if i time it right, wouldn't this also mean we would beat 3f characters with a cr.lp?
rare gorge
yup
mossy hamlet
so the main thing to watch for is just ex reversals or v shift im assuming?
rare gorge
you should be reacting to see if theyre blocking it or they got hit by it
because you can combo if they got hit
if they block you put them in a mixup
if they do ex reversal or v shift theyre gonna win no matter what
mossy hamlet
Any set ups to counter wake up dp, aside from shimmy
mossy hamlet
no but just in general
mossy hamlet
i've also tried cross up j.lk to make it whiff on some characters, is that feasible or should i just stick to blocking?
rare gorge
you can do that against some characters
but good players will just do delay dp and crosscut you
but it will work against reversal ex dps
theres an argument to be made
mossy hamlet
alright, i haven't run across any players that can crosscut yet, but i'll keep it in mind when i start to encounter it
How do you tend to deal with players that crossup with like ryu j.mk?
just jump back air to air?
rare gorge
depending on how late you react
usually just block the cross up
air to air is fine sometimes
if you can use ex wa to anti air you should
unfortunately mikas cr mp loses to cross ups
mossy hamlet
got it i haven't been using ex wa for cross ups but i'll keep it in mind in game
rare gorge
i would not recommend using ex wa to deal with cross ups
mossy hamlet
oh you meant only for anti airs
rare gorge
it can auto correct
but the problem is that if you mess up you either waste a bar and fly away
or you get ex spd which is -60
gleaming locust
Oh that's a good point
rare gorge
@mossy hamlet replays
mossy hamlet
mb didn't get to play yesterday and just got done playing a few games
mossy hamlet
<@154449186992029696> replays
uploading a few replays that I lost in, where I couldn't find a chance to get in, or got overwhelmed in offense, will probably post a link in a few minutes when it done uploading
mossy hamlet
Got a few up, still need to work on my aa and hit confirms mostly, and my corner pressure is still pretty bad
rare gorge
you are very antsy in neutral
in general you have very poor v trigger activations on block, on hit and in neutral
do you know any vt1 setups? i can give you a couple
mossy hamlet
rn this is the only one that ive been trying to work on
But midscreen blockstring, i'll try to wa crossup them
besides that no
rare gorge
here are some dp punishes
No meter:
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1 bar:
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i saw you try to get ex peach after cc lady mika > lady mika into hp which doesnt work
mossy hamlet
yea that was a flub
rare gorge
after a normal peach knockdown you can do an easy mode meaty with f st mk
it will cover quick and back rises
its safe on quick rise and + on back rise
its also comboable depending
mossy hamlet
how about for ex peach?
rare gorge
ex peach has different oki so f st mk doesnt work
mossy hamlet
yea do I just opt for cr lp?
rare gorge
cr lp on quick rise you can do like cr lk on back rise
you are also in range for some command grabs
st mp into ex peach is a confirm you need to get down
like 99.9% of the time
mossy hamlet
yea its on my list of things i need to work on, just need to keep being aware of it til it becomes second nature
rare gorge
set the dummy to random block and just practice doing it
after a while you wont need to think about it
mossy hamlet
im pretty okay with it in training mode, just need to work on it in actual games
rare gorge
rollback can make it more tricky but you still shouldnt really ever miss it
mika is also at her best when she has her opponent in the corner
so you should never do typhoon and throw them out of the corner unless its gonna stun or ko them
general advice:
stop being so antsy in neutral (random ex peaches)
do f st mk after regular peach knockdowns (L,M,H) for ez consistent pressure (lab follow ups on hit and block)
work on v trigger activations (especially in neutral)
work on st mp into ex peach
mossy hamlet
so thats just so i can have access to + frames in front of them, if it hits or not
rare gorge
let me download obs and record something
rare gorge
you dont have to end with h peach you could do like ca or ex peach instead
its a blockstring so they cant mash ex dp out of it
real simple and effective
mossy hamlet
got it, i'll try working it into my game
lapis ermine
You can only do it on back rope
I think Nadeshiko also prevents it
Lab it real fast
mossy hamlet
back ropes just doing the toss behind you right? I thought thats what I did, also tried doing the combo the same way, and it worked in training mode
lapis ermine
I suspect it's a glitch
mossy hamlet
alright i'll just chalk it up as that
mossy hamlet
asked tay about it, and turns out its cause i forward dashed a little too early after my back dash and should have waited for the wallbounce first. In case you were still curious