#SV OU Rates

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whole horizon
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Lead Glimmora for rocks + toxic debris, Samurott H for ceaseless edge spam, Gholdengo to predict hazard removal, tera normal espeed dragonite and iron valiant as my main attackers, and kingambit as a last ditch attacker

quartz stream
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don't use life orb hrott, you don't want it to die too fast

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also try tera ghost for the extra spinblocker

whole horizon
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Oh dang I didn’t think of that

quartz stream
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seems like a standard very offensive hazard stack

whole horizon
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What item should I run on hrott?

quartz stream
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could try AV

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or black glasses if you really want the damage

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in fact this isn't even an Hstack

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you have no knock off user so any boots team just lives forever against you

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just accept you're HO

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and ditch ghold for another offense mon

whole horizon
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I just worry with ghold because I see so many hazard removers

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Like rapid spin tusk and defog corvinkight are in every game

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Def gonna put AV on hrott though

quartz stream
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the HO spammer does not concern himself with the opinion of hazard removers

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just attack, and if you lose, it's because the opponent is a no skill staller

whole horizon
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you're so right.

quartz stream
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nothing but adachi_true always and forever

gray karma
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Swords Dance moveset if u want a sweeper version of Samurott

jade cedar
regal ginkgoBOT
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# jade cedar https://pokepast.es/31d6761b94036d07

You without a doubt would love eq on this
Glimmora seems very annoying otherwise, along with it doing very good general damage.
You’re also running max atk, so just run eq or at minimum more defensive

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and I don’t like Prim on this structure

jade cedar
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mb

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I like Overquil

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You would like a tspike soaker along with a faster setup sweeper

jade cedar
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I did forget to think abt that

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Hm

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It could be fine but I guess you could want smth more
Only reason Ion like Prim really is just it doesn’t suit rain

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esp this defensive set up set

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Rain is all about breaking and abusing swift swimmers

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It’s more so a momentum sink, I guess it does help with volc though

jade cedar
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Specs Keld could be a really good breaker
I’m more concerned about Woger in that case though

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Sd play rough messes you up and even without sd or play rough

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ivy is chunking bolt

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with each rain turn

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While Overquil isn’t a switch in, it’s a sweeper that beats Woger in rain and can do lots of damage

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Which would prevent it from coming out in the first place

jade cedar
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:/

jade cedar
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jade cedar
nocturne sable
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This looks alright from my perspective

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Molt is alright since you might not get burnt and they probably lack hurricane

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but then if its smth like Gholdengo or Pech

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Smth is getting hit with shadow ball from Ghold or boosted shadow ball

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or a potential poison/parting shot with pech

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And Zapdos is hurricaning 24/7 if that Bolt is down

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if not still a free vswap

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It’s a prediction game sure but it’s not one you want to play

nocturne sable
jade cedar
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U’d def need spdef

jade cedar
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for Zap

jade cedar
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But Pech switches in without too much difficulty
It can always tank one and then go back to woger if you liquid

jade cedar
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and pray it also isnt t water, since it’s I think less common than ghost/dark but still used

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Unless that only applies to nasty plot

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jade cedar
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Like you usually might need it for setup sweepers even volc if it gets boosted enough
Although it’s unlikely, I think a better example is ceruledge than volc

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Since sneak would js ohko barras no doubt

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if its boosted

jade cedar
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:/

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It’s a pretty good cleaner against you now that I see it
Although bolt does do good since it’s booster

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I think overall

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You just need to find a better mon over Prim

jade cedar
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np torn?

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Could work for sure

jade cedar
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defensively not much but offensively it forces woger to either tera or switch

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Yeah

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I agree with Tornt

jade cedar
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But you have barras and Bolt so probably not required

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Although I don’t like dondozo much vs your team

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But should be good

gritty lake
quartz lark
nocturne sable
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oh thats some shit

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cuz of leki huh

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volt swith over tb I suppose

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least you can bounce on glowking

gritty lake
jade cedar
gritty lake
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you lose to normal nite

sand knoll
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doesnt prima fix it or is it too slow?

jade cedar
gritty lake
jade cedar
gritty lake
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yea but theres tera normal

quartz lark
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if dnite is such a problem, just replace skewda with basculegion

quartz stream
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that's actually an itneresting solution

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normally basc is bad since it lacks coverage but this might be a case where it's ok

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hard loses to woger and volcanion though

gray karma
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Basculegion is kinda interesting pokemon as far as I tried

woven ginkgo
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Help me expand on this team (if you understand how it works and i hope you can)

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quartz stream
woven ginkgo
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Really fun mechanic

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I hope they buff it by making it longer

quartz stream
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but in SV ZU not champs

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woven ginkgo
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you barely get to hse it

quartz stream
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yea especially since you have to pivot out

woven ginkgo
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In zu

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kinda stole most of it froma a youtuber tho

woven ginkgo
broken lark
regal ginkgoBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty lake
woven ginkgo
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Do you understand what im even trying to do

woven ginkgo
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Please read the messages

gritty lake
quartz lark
woven ginkgo
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This is ou

quartz lark
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“Champions OU”

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That’s not this channel brodie

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This ain’t Gen 6 or legends za where there’s megas

woven ginkgo
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Champions ou is still ou

quartz lark
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Different metagame

woven ginkgo
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You dont have any friends or lovers do you

quartz lark
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How many blows you wanna take to your ego you’ve already lost worrywhirl

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Put the fries in the bag

whole horizon
# quartz stream just kill them

What do you think I should swap ghold for? I’m thinking maybe raging bolt to take care of ogrepon wellspring but I’m not sure.

rigid linden
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woven ginkgo
quartz lark
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Damn straight

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you’re literally the one who brought up family and friends for no reason…

woven ginkgo
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my ego is untouchable bro you dont even know 1% of my brain this is discord

woven ginkgo
woven ginkgo
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rigid linden
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can u guys pause this argument for a minute and gimme some advice

woven ginkgo
rigid linden
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and make lu only rocks, if you click defog ur removing all your hazards in the first place
Which, honestly I’d make this an idef corvi

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Idef press uturn roost is a fine set

hollow yew
# woven ginkgo Youre the one not minding your business 😭

hi. you're absolutely the one in the wrong here and disrupting the channel while doing it. don't cause problems for people, don't litigate channel rules you don't know/haven't read, and don't use racial slurs to address people, hard R or otherwise.

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You also want a water and fire resist that can actually tank hits

rigid linden
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Max atk max speed with a jolly nature

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I don’t rlly like valiant or gambit here if Im being honest
You have both a steel and a dark type, both with amazing defensive utility

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and Valiant isn’t really needed
You have speed control in Pult and while Valiant is good, you can have a better mon over it for this team

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I’d use Woger for the nice water immunity which chunks Alo

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and has moves like knock off if you want that so you can run cc tusk

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or you can run smth like sd play rough with dual stabs

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Think knock off sd is fine though

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I think the last slot is relatively flexible as to patch up some weaknesses

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you can try out a clefable and t water Lu
Gives you a fairy + a nice salt cure and status answer

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Side note make corvi max max too, in hp and def with impish

rigid linden
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what do i run on my clefable since ive already got play rough on my ogerpon

quartz lark
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Either wish passing or calm mind setter

whole horizon
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ya'll i wanna swap gholdengo. what's a good HO mon I could use? I have a lot of trouble with ogrepon

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quartz lark
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Dnite is your main answer for switching in properly

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Switch ghold with a u-turner

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and remove spikes from lu if ur not running rocks clef bro

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eq ruination

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Usually you’d just want max max

whole horizon
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I'm also. Very new to comp . So I don't know a lot of stuff LOL

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and I’m not a big believer in l orb samu

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Isn’t black glasses better

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along with sd

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Also ur team loves bolt more than gambit
And Val should be setip

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setup

whole horizon
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nods nods

whole horizon
quartz lark
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Which would then convert this structure to offense

rigid linden
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Please tag me if there are further issues

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You just want pure offense on these kinds of team

quartz lark
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Since there’s no spin blocker that accounts for treads/tusk’s other moves it’s wiser for the clefable to be a wish passer, which supports your defensive core, instead of putting all your eggs in one basket

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and make clef knock off over twave

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Also change Tusk’s tera to steel and make it boots

whole horizon
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I'll give a setup move to IV

rigid linden
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Just consider since you only have one ghost and it’s fragile that

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you don’t have to be hazard stack

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you can always go rocks on Lu and make clef smth like knock moonblast ice beam moonlight
or even a cm set

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just simple changes you can make if hazard stack isn’t it

whole horizon
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Make gholdengo max speed timid and recover is a move you can exchange for coverage if you need

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Like fblast helps a lot against mons like tran and ofc gambit

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you can also do tera fighting bc ur fblast and dont need to double down on like

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ground immunity thing

whole horizon
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what words did you just say about iron valiant .

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Bolt should also outspeed jolly gambit

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eg ice punch for gliscor

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Since you lack ice spinner on Dnite

rigid linden
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rigid linden
quartz lark
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I’ve been playing sv ou since like roaring moon pre ban

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and this is my first gen of comp

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so I’d like to think I know a good bit

rigid linden
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well u seem to ,very big brained

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Eh, there’s better raters than me and I could be better at the game

whole horizon
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cc means close combat unless its in the context of items
then it means covert cloak

whole horizon
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if i give IV knock off, should i give sucker punch back to Hrott?

quartz lark
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doubling is fine

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I didn’t even notice you took it off

quartz lark
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overload on offense is not necessarily “wrong”

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I feel like you should just run black glasses ceaseless sucker razor shell

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along with sd or knock

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I don’t think you need the ohko on gambit

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Like

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half the time you can win a gambit 1v1

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esp if you’re boosted

whole horizon
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whole horizon
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OH

rigid linden
whole horizon
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LMAOO

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see now that's just not fair

rigid linden
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I guess bro 🤧

quartz lark
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mhm hm adds to the pressing which offense is synonymous with

whole horizon
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means you run 219 I think it is?

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So around 200 speed if my memory serves me right

whole horizon
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is this decent or nah

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quartz lark
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Just 132 non-timid is required, 136 for those that creep for gambit

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go with the 136 preferably

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Way too much

quartz lark
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could go 140 for creeping for the creeps

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and 56 spdef is not the play
Just put enough speed in and then rest in hp

quartz lark
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looks like chineese evs

whole horizon
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better?

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🔥

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quartz lark
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gotta have some linear regression blobthonkeng

whole horizon
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oh my days

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swords dance hrott was the move.

sand knoll
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hi rmt i tried laddering with this offence team i sumbitted before but i didnt really click with it so i tried making a balance team centered around pecharunt, https://pokepast.es/68204114519fec80 i just read his article on the smogon site and built from there, i dont like how specially weak it is

regal ginkgoBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

final relic
sand knoll
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is it better than tusk here?

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i didnt know which ground type to use i was leaning more towards gliscor but i think itd be too passive on this team

final relic
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well

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hm

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id say treads probably works here, this is very weak to bolt, zap if you keep tusk

sand knoll
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would i have to remive corv then?

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to not doublle on steel types

final relic
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nah it’s fine here, but i’d make it spdef to help handle things like subtect kyurem

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av alo switches in on all the ghosts in the tier save ceru

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i don’t think you need a physdef mola given pech

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darkrai over iron val since it’s a much stronger breaker and has a better speed tier

sand knoll
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i didnt even know alol runs av

final relic
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you can open the uh

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import/export set tab in the builder when hovering a specific mon

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and it shows sample sets and a link to the analysis

sand knoll
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i did that and i think i assumed it was just showdown usage

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whats my answer to pult?

final relic
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alo switches in on it for free

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specs shadow ball does maybe 25-30 ish, not even more than what it regens when switching

sand knoll
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i wasnt familiar with alos bulk wth

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alr ill try thsi ty

sand knoll
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there was originally volc>glim here

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there isnt a win con here so

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who should be the win con

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(like prolly sd woger with taunt?and tblaze?)

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and prolly also helmet tusk here?

quartz lark
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@final relic what do I build next risitas_pray

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complete ho

limber spear
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don’t rlly wanna go that route thosad_dawn

brave garnet
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Can someone rate my team for SV doubles OU? I have reached 1500 with it.
https://psim.us/t/1767410

My team seemed to be very weak to Trick Room teams, so I ran Trick Room on Creselia to un-Trick Room in cases where I cannot encore with Whimsicott to reset the field, or I fail to do so. Psychic on Cresselia is specifically for Sneasler. Icy wind is another form of speed control.

whimsicott, i chose d gleam as the damage move becasue fairy seems strong and I wanted more of it. And, the rest is for support and survivability. I am using a defensive tera like in most other mons in the team. Encore is my goat.

Chi-yu is really good. Tera blast is there for water coverage and I do not seem to be using overheat very much so I might need to look at a different move to maximise the potential. Tera water for defence.

Primarina is a coverage offensive type for all the things that Gholdengo and Chiyu don't seem to handle well. Energy ball is there for coverage against water mons. I do not seem to be using calm mind very often.

Glimmora is a really nice. Sometimes, Poison Stall is amazing so mortal spin. I was thinking of running corrosion instead of toxic debris, but I read somewhere that mortal spin will still not work on steel types and toxic seems like a waste of a slot and an ability just to poison steel types for which I have chiyu. Power gem and sludge bomb are for damage although I was using stealth rocks instead of sludge bomb until recently. Then, I got convinced that entry hazards are not as effective in doubles, and if need be toxic debris was there. The sludge bomb also helps deal damage. Havent tera this mon, need type suggestion

Gholdengo seems to be the least reliable of the bunch. It has survivability issues and make it rain lowering SpA seems bad. Shadow ball and Make it rain are STAB, focusblast is kingambit coverage, I just kept it becasue thunder is useful against rain teams. I know that my EV spread is not the best. So, I wanted some suggestions.

regal ginkgoBOT
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Hey @brave garnet, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

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brave garnet
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proper warren
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proper warren
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fk i forgot to adjust the sets

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Also you lack a dark and ghost resist

proper warren
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no way i need 3 stealth rocks + ceaseless edge

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Only one mon resists it

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and it’s fragile asf

proper warren
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yeah hang on

queen saddle
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Test your teams beforehand

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🙏

proper warren
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oof i need to remember my type charts now.... wtf resists ghost

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except dark

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Pretty sure it’s literally

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only normal and dark

proper warren
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Darkrai is still messing with you bad

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and Ursaluna doesn’t really have longevity

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and hates hazard chip

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Sun fucks you up

proper warren
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Venusaur, Wake, and Bolt all mess with you

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Bolt with weather ball

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Wake spams steam

proper warren
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Venusaur is hitting everything but Heatran

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Which Wake handles

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and even bolt

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And booster atk cc tusk is breaking your Corvi

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alonf with the rest of ur team

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Yeah sun is a BAD mu

proper warren
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😭 idk the meta and the mons of OU

queen saddle
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Might want to use a sample

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(and learn why Tusk is actually good.)

proper warren
rigid linden
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QD Ribombee

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It’s outdated though

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I wanted to use volc without using volc bc it wasn’t in the tier

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and what do you know!

regal ginkgoBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

queen saddle
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Outdated tho

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and mb for the ping

rigid linden
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ight yea this is so much different then what i got

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no worries

quartz stream
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thoughts? enemy offense is a bit rough since not much priority, most of the times I feel like I'm at a disadvantage and win because the enemy makes mistakes
https://pokepast.es/4396d4d32ca01d05

rigid linden
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like moonblast thunderbolt and psyshock val is really good here imo

hollow hornet
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all I’m saying

rigid linden
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😭 ik gng

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i was js bored as hell

hollow hornet
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fun

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at least use wide lens Maus with bite encore tidy up

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🤧

quartz stream
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At all

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It’s ho and then Lando

quartz stream
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tidy up to clear your own hazards Nodders

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run a tusk

hollow hornet
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ig tusk prolly better

rigid linden
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rigid linden
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you have balloon ghold if you really needthe ground immune

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and you don’t want defense on ho

quartz stream
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Yeah

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exactly

hollow hornet
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true

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I wanna say bulk up tusk but you might need rocks

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although since you have spikes it is debatable on whether you need rocks or not

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Maybe booster atk tusk with spin + 3a

rigid linden
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you could try not having rocks

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bulk up, spin, headlong, and knock or spinner

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you have ceaseless spikes

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It’s like

hollow hornet
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most sash mons are on the ground

hollow hornet
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might switch if it i need the rocks

quartz stream
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and no knock off user anyways so stacking too many hazards is pointless

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eg coger with sturdy

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or sash deo

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or sash polt even

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quartz stream
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sash deo is going to be in the lead and dying turn 3

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wait a minute

quartz stream
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1 spike is fine enough for the reason you said

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why the fuck is there a walking wake here

hollow hornet
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the wake is pretty funny

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I didnt even see it bc it got no pic

quartz stream
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get rid of flip turn

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you're flipping out of your own booster energy

hollow hornet
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oh wait yea thats not meant to be there

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had it on accident on the pokepaste

quartz stream
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and now get ready for my technology

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booster spatk agility wake

queen saddle
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Bro slap on an ival or smth

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Wake aint it

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You alr got a water

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and I think you lack a fairy

quartz stream
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val is better

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but the wake is funny

quartz stream
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that's not a team requirement

hollow hornet
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whys nobody believing in the solo wake

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it isn’t but you’d like someone that could clean and that can def be booster speed moonblast

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But

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I actually don’t like val now that I think abt it

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Due to your insane fairy weakness

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With Enam fucking you over

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100%

quartz stream
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what you need here is a gambit answer and a zama answer

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those are the most urgent

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tusk can be the gambit answer

hollow hornet
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He needs smth for Enam so it doesn’t solo their entire team

quartz stream
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probably should go psyshock ghold so you have the cope against stall

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He has Gholdengo for Zama

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Oh

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I mean

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Woger does rlly good against stall no?

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Then again

quartz stream
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you can also cope that moth beats zama

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Amoonguss stall 6’0’s

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Just slot in dazzling and tfairy

quartz stream
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oops

hollow hornet
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yh i got rid of tbolt

quartz stream
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do you need dazzle? shadow ball probably already wins

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dazzle at +2 ohkos

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compared to shadow ball being the 2hko

quartz stream
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so the next problem is your team loses to offense

hollow hornet
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yall dont even wanna see my grass team fr

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He needs smth against Val

hollow hornet
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dnite is the real killer here

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Oops not Val

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Mb

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I meant enam

quartz stream
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what on this team is not wiped off the screen by a dnite

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Scarf Enam

quartz stream
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is moonblasting and earth powering

hollow hornet
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hollow hornet
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(which cant do anything btw im jus trollin)

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also does tusk not handle

quartz stream
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dnite

hollow hornet
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tusk prolly does right

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im running ice spinner anyway

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if they tera normal its easier

quartz stream
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it's sketchy

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and if tusk dies to dnite, then gambit beats your ass

queen saddle
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for that earth power

quartz stream
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it’s gonna need like +2

quartz stream
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you also have the cope tera on wogerpon for the spdef

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And Enam is already paired with defensive pivots like gking

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yk

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Because it’s scarf

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You send out moth too early and you just get caught
and psyshocked

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even psy noise is threatening

quartz stream
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just go val over wake ngl

queen saddle
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If its f sight though ur ight

quartz stream
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gambit, dnite, fast mons, darkrai, pult, all sketch asf

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val gives you 1 extra shot to kill all of them

quartz stream
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but yeah if you see scarf enam on a balance you basically lost

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moth can only work once and if it ever dies you lose

near dirge
robust dome
swift forum
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yeah it's a pretty solid team

quartz stream
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what do you need deo-s for

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and HDB darkrai/scarf darkrai

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gambit can also force out pech at least

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That's right. I needed another attacker and didn't wanna use another phys attacker

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deo came to mind since it was a really good speed tier to abuse sticky webs

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why not try boosted speed val

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I mean the team I've really tested and built properly is the first one. I was using it to ladder

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try cm

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which would beat both pult and zama

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if you know the one im talking about it

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I think I val would work tho

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lemme try it out

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it's still a good exercise to build a team even if you end up with something that's already been done before

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and then youc an also battle a team that you know is tested and works decently

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and ig booster speed for rai and pult

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an advantage of team 1 is that if webs get reversed, you don't care

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the only mon that is really upset is cornerpon

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you do lose your webs but if you can get webs on both sides of the field, you'll still be fine

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but if you send in bolt dry on pult, the opp will know what's up

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so that only works if the opp sends pult on you

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Okayy

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I actually just made it tera fairy

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ghost wasn't doing much

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so it was either fairy or bug Ig

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and fairy better

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but pecharunt matchup is still kinda tough

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it would be clutch if the opp sends tusk into your bolt

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tusk is faster and will clear webs

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but if you preserve ghold's balloon you should be fine

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if you lose webs you probably just lose

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yeah that's a default switch

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that's what ghold is for

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and then if they read you right and ghold dies, what do you go into next? you have a decent pick here

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Do you think if I replace D-nite with say gambit, It would be better?

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yeah and whip kills before it can spin

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Whip u mean?

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yeah

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yea myb

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so cornerpon is important here

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test it out

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I see.

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I want to run a bulkier set on gambit

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what do you think?

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probably lefties with iron head since you have zama against enemy gambits

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but if you want the security of the extra gambit check, go low kick

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if zama dies then you lose to gambit

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so yeah nvm go low kick here for sure

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and with webs you outspeed

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so max HP max atk?

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ada

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maybe go 146 speed

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to outspeed jolly gambit that hit webs

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check my work on that but it should be 146

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Okay 146 it is then

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if you never run into jolly gambits, then go max hp max atk

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but I would personally start with 146

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is webs reduce by 1/3 or 1/4?

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1/3 right

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since its 0.66

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you take 6% from rocks and are immune to tspikes and webs

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leftiesa are more valuable since you can force healing by using sucker

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so them trying to win sucker mindgames is a loss

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And spikes does true damage so kinda negligible?

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I guess

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I'd run tera fire zama

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on this

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most of your team is very spike resistant

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since it's 3 phys attackers

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3 phys 2 special is fine

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you set the + but not the -

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okay all good now

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yupp

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dnite might be a bit of a threat, keep an eye out for that

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I guess my best bet to deal with it would be

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either dhengo if balloon is up

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or

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cornerpon

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and bolt outspeeds some sets if DD isn't up

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💔

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head

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what does iron head do

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forgot to give the corv left over and i keep running into ppl running gliscor and ghold

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you just uturn on them

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Ihead is pointless against them too

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fair enough

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@inner terrace what should I build next messi

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its prob bad lol

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yes

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on my alt tho

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im a little scared to bring this on my main

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what do you lose to

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I don't like that the entire team is hazards weak

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its rough into glowking ig but what sun isnt

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yea without like specs tera water wake hitting it on the switch it's rough

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can scream tail and slither wing beat enemy offenses?

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ye

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feels like somethign that sets up can oneshot you pretty easily

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scream tail was to fix kyu and zama weakness

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that's what I assumed, but does it actually beat zama?

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how much does heavy slam do

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heavy slam does like 48

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kinda a fake check ye

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if you can chip the zama you do have a walking wake that can shoot it though

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ye

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you also only have fake checks for pult

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personally most worrying is hazards and other thigns are more whatever

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fairs

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ive been spamming these super hazard weak suns this push

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i might need to change up more of my teams 😭

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https://pokepast.es/3323b3bcf2860ce9
I’m building with band Azu, and I love the first four.
However, I know Bolt and Zap are a problem. I tried countering Bolt with AV Rilla, and used tornt for a ground immune, but Zap is so good against this.. Not sure what to do.

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I like the Rilla if I’m being real, maybe a different set though.

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banded azu is tuff

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The terrain providing healing for Darkrai alongside max hp + nasty plot allows many chances of set up and sweeping, or breaking spdef walls

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Banded Azu ohkos woger if it swaps into play rough, and it does min 41 to Alo
This allows Tusk to threaten the team further, alongside providing rocks and spin support

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Pecharunt is a great pivot into physical attackers, although now that I see Rilla being here, not too sure if I need it? I mainly added it for Woger but now Rilla is here.
Nonetheless, valuable ghost type and pivot move. Although I think I could use a Gholdengo over it with a twave support set, or scarf for speed control.
Scarf is likely better in this aspect.

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I need some help with the last 3 slots though, with either Pech staying or Rilla

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Lati set is like

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made to tank tusk well

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22% to be 2hkoed by ice spinner but tbf who is staying in w tusk

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on lati

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And also it helps beat Zapdos, but i’m considering outspeeding offensive Zap

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For psy noise

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it can 1v1 zapdos w out a doubt if its defensive
but I’m scared of offensive sets

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Does like
t electric rilla beat it?

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Not sure

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psyspam in gen9?

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and it has a whole samurott hisui...

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why do you have 5 choice pokemon and a life orb kingambit?

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if this is meant to be serious, I would say go on smogon strategy dex and grab some sample sets

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also the even better advice is to go here, find a sample team, and then modify it somewhat

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to get a better feel for the gameplay of the tier

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if ur doing spikestack would u want taunt?

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you should probs also have knock off on oger

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only 1 knock user is super unreliable

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switching ghold to balloon would mean you would have very little speed control so you can try scarf still, that or like scarf rai

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or maybe mixed booster speed val with knock cc moonblast

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you don't need taunt

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It's now banned, yippie

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I don't need to care about it anymore

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and cc tusk kinda owns you

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u could drop pon for like molt but atp u might want a different rocker than tusk and that would lean fatter

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or you could drop rai for molt and just run sd knock pon

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i dont hate that tbh

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my experience is that pawmot can bring back 2 teammates 50% of the time and 1 teammate 25% of the time, and does nothing 25% of the time, it's the rest of the team that is not really pulling their weight

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Pawmot Gterrain is probably fine with LO rillaboom but outside of that you need to scratch the rest of the comp and build from scratch

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and just give up on hazard removal

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Happens

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I don’t rlly like the idea of Samu + Prim being on the same team, esp when you have an already solid defensive core whichever you go in pech prim tornt or samu over prim

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Also I just wanna spam moonblast into your team without a care in the world
Aka, you need a steel and you also lack speed control

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and Pult + Za

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but any thoughts on with what?

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While Za is more manageable

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mayb iron valiant?

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with Pech

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ugh no valiant still not helping w fairy spam tho

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Still not great with f sight support

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hmmmfmasdfmkfdsa

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Like Slowking G and Zama is not easy

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any thoughts on what i should switch then

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also treads over tusk acc does sound good

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Zamazenta

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With idef body press

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ah

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what treads set do u think

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booster?

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You could run cm clef too

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Utility and honestly max atk max speed can work here although you can make it spdef for Kyurem

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with enough speed to outspeeed kyurem

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i kinda like my dragonite so i might keep it for now

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but im gonna switch in treads and clef and see how it is

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i feel like speed isnt what I've rlly been struggling with tbh tho

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ill switch it in anyways tho

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Alr

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and isn’t lorb on dnite kinda ass?

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Surely you’d love boots when you’re tera fire lorb with only mortal spin to remove hazards

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Especially with outrage

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Seriously? I have never seen it before..

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It’s on one of the recent sample teams

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And comfey is just one of those where k, it makes sense on the structure so why not slap it

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Synergies well with gterrain and set up spam stuff

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Team also has no speed outside of dnite and sucker punch hamu

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# queen saddle https://pokepast.es/4b2be1639e8d08b2

Make pech helmet. Probably toxic aswell if you’re planning on running hex.

Make azu max speed to speed tie with non jolly gambits.

Gambit MU is kinda horrid so probably jolly low kick gambit here and shadow ball>>aura sphere on latios to snipe gholdengo.

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Actually hmm. You click flip turn on gholdengo switch ins anyway so you can probably greed trick+flip turn

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Low kick Gambit would help a lot though, so thanks there

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I feel like if I go trick flip I could run psy noise, right?

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It’d have a better mu against stall, which is nice

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So you want to be running max speed in that case

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True, alright

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How’s this lookin?

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Shoot, forgot the toxic

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although, I don’t like how passive Pech can feel against things like tera normal dnite. Is it just tghosting parting shot/recover spam?

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Especially covert cloak variants

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lowkey
I shoulda realized that

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My fault

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Ur good

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low kick over kowtow alright?

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lucha as speed worked in the few games I played but the cracks were showing, also comfey felt really ass it was getting hard stopped by glowkings and heatrans

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I did have one game where it just obliterated a guy because I got 2 boosts and killed everything

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it beats dnite pretty well so it stays I think

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yea ur right and it has terrain and draining

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Also drum beating rilla is useless just run high horsepower as coverage

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wood hammer over drum beating?

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I wanted knock bc I was seeing a ton of moltres and zapdos and I could remove boots

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And also I can tera using Moltres if needed as to do some good against it alongside steel Lati if I have to use emergency tera against a moonblast

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Which I really like Lati’s tera anyways due to Kyurem

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And even if it’s shadow ball thunderbolt they can live a hit and trade

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oh that's right, sincce you have both there's no way the val player hard reads you

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anyways thanks for the help, team feels way better to play now

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Np

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I would make moltres roar though

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PS- This team has been great against nearly every team. Max speed jolly gambit is the near definition of low cortisol vs other gambits
I have had a big problem against 2 electrics though, Raging Bolt and Zapdos. Both matchups I’m quite literally forced to tera fairy Moltres or play around it.

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I’d love to see if there’s another answer, but right now this team has amazing mu’s against a lot of things, and I have been winning many games. Zapdos and Bolt are a problem though.
Main answer to Bolt is forcing it to tera with Tusk or die, then finishing it with Lati or revenger.

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I WANT AZU TO BE OU

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THIS SHIT IS TUFF

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Can finish off a Rilla after play rough damage

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85-100

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You force Tera with tusk then revenge with lati

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Honestly Tera electric Azumarill doesn’t sound too bad

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Zapdos is definitely a horrible mu. Your main way is tricking with lati and keeping rock pressure up/landing a toxic with pecharunt

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Y'all, what do I build next? If I recall correctly, I've built a team for everything relevant in general.

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rocks knock flip eq

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That's an interesting one, I'll see what I can do

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I prefer smth like Fire or Ghost but if fighting has good usage then it can works ig

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Oh

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Gliscor + Pech seems relatively annoying here, and I only see the point of Lando for the ground immune. I think you’d be fine with running a Tusk though, you’d want some hazard removal in a pinch, although Lando can stay if you want to keep the ground immune.
One thing to note though is that I don’t like your stall mu, stalls that use Toxapex or even Amoonguss kinda just wall you unless Pult can catch their switches

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This is mainly due to how you don’t have power whip on Oger to wipe out Pex over horn leech

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And Amoonguss is just generally annoying for your Val and Oger

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Also scratch what I said earlier abt Tusk, you have too many fairy weak mons to scarf Enam if Moth gets caught.

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gang volc is banned sad

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idk pert also seems weird here ig

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what’s the incentive

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volc got banned?

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ah the pert was just for funsies

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i'd choose hrott any other day

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wow

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also why r we cc hlr tusk here with bu tho

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🤔 prolly sedge quake or mamo stabs is better

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mola is a good partner with hoodra but idk

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was thinking stone edge on tusk but preffered bu

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its either hoodra or mola tbh

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as for volc's replacement its prob gonna be something real generic like a moltres

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Last update as to not clog up chat more, just wanted some help.
I’ve noticed mons like Lokix being extremely hard to play around at times, and I’m despising how strong special electrics are into me.
Darkrai is an especially noticeable problem, since despite having spdef Moltres and Gambit, sets with nasty plot fblast have been problematic, since Moltres doesn’t soak up boosted hits easily at all, and scarf Lati has been good, but since electrics have been overwhelming I slotted in recover over flip turn, which isn’t the best since scarf flip turn is an amazing lead and provides momentum, but electrics are just too problematic.
Great team, one of the best ones I’ve played with, but the weaknesses are very noticeable

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I feel as if Moltres is a weak link, as the spdef pivot it doesn’t feel AMAZING.

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I love the ground immune and whatnot, along with a pivot to non rock move tusk

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But it just… ehh…

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yk?

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Lokix should be fine if you have tusk+molt+helmet pech, surely at that point Lokix is punished with contact.

Darkrai is a matter of scouting properly, moltres is a safe midground into scouting focus blast from Rai. Tera fairy molt also helps if Rai gets out of control. Ofc you also have Tera ghost gambit. Tera steel tusk to snipe it and lati can revenge kill it. Azu also takes a hit easily so if it’s healthy doesn’t need to switch out on Rai can just claim the kill with play rough or liquidation.

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Alright, so it’s a matter of learning more with the team.
Thanks, I’ll be sure to think more like this while playing

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Again, you can run like Tera electric Azumarill if Zapdos is annoying

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qrash do you watch futbol

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hes gone bro

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🤧

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just wisp hex or specs is fine

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you need it for za anyways

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alr

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but i didnt know what phys move for ghost

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im good

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lo

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basically it's a 60 bp move instead of 80 so you miss a bunch of kills lol

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but ig you can flinch hax

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ill do hex

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I don't like this team's weak hazard control, court change only works once, then after that everyone is taking hazard damage

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you also only have a fake ground immunity with no resists and 2 ground weaks

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i mean you can

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but also you lose to zama with this team i feel

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you need something at least

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Ye fair enough

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I feel like this team is great but has some holes

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like covert cloak maybe

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I feel like you could make ghold trick plot

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The Tusk set is

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completely unnecessary

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just make every mon on your team standard

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like tusk offensive utility

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evs

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change dnite boots to cc or lum

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Plus you have roost to get back multiscale

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Yeah

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Either I've been playing blind or I've never seen ts

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I think

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For lorb

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Lorb dnite is for more offensive teams

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dont really need kowtow you have rai for pulse

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Sets are fine outside of like what quacc said iron head over kowtow on gambit

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ok

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aside from that yea i think it's fine

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has a general offense mu spread

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thinking about psychic moth

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over dgleam

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for glimm webs and stuff like that

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you are weak to stall and if you dont like that you can change the rai set to shock fblast

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can val force tera on smth

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Probably can run like tbolt to tech for waters

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it depends on what they're running ngl

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vs stall

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spdef scor can handle val pretty well and you only have rocks so it's really just the pon

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if smth else is forced to tera oger wins

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maybe it works but you can defensive tera through it then spike stack cause no removal

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idt anything needs to be changed in particular though thats just like

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if you find yourself losing to stall

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if you dont lose to most stallers then theres that

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Also taunt Lando is a decent lead into stall, can help woger ease in.

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With pivoting

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ill think about shock focus rai if i find myself losing to stall

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Yea that’s fair

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yeah you dont need to change anything right now

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aside from gambit prolly

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yea

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i do like at least sludge fblast on plot rai to disallow gambit but it's fine

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you have lando jolly gambit and val

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was thinking about ice beam wisp over sludge bomb but think jolly gambit is better anti gambit tech

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Thoughts?

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I call it experiment for a reason

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On a more actual note, a lot of the sets here are just bad

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And none of these mons have any tera types

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I’d recommend a sample team, as to learn more about the tier and how team archetypes are like

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in which that was an SV OU team

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Ooos

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Oops

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They changed it

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Fuh now we know svOU is truly falling off

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Stall MU you’re relying mostly on prim and pecharunt to carry but it should be fine

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Would much rather Tera poison primarina so you can 1v1 stuff like Toxapex/amoongus for the stall mu

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You can actually just run torrent with psychic noise whirlpool too actually since you already have enam for fairy coverage

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Psychic noise will allow you to 1v1 pex effectively, so surf psynosie whirlpool flip turn. Woger can be annoying but it’s doable since psychic noise is a good midground click into most stuff

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was thinking of doing shuca 3a np ghold