SV OU Rates

[queen saddle]

Not rlly..?

I’m playing with 1700-1800’s, never had a problem with pult once

Specs pult is not breaking gliscor if it isn’t chipped enough

and banded is not breaking past clef

and again, not really?

I beat an HO without many problems, multiple actually

SD Valiant, cm, etc with other ho guys like tusk, deo, etc
all been handled by glis and whatnot

this isn’t rlly a shaky defensive core whatsoever

if I’m being real

The only mon I’ve had problems with is darkrai
Otherwise, I’ve been managing to play around many mons

Hazard stacking isn’t hard whatsoever

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/8917405fe07d25ed this is NOT just zodiac webs i promise

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/158c9935691cae71

can someone look at my volcarona team

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/0745293fe63b06fc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken lark]

https://pokepast.es/60b739e5dfa8400d

[gray karma]

isn't non-hdb volca risked 😭

I mean u have giga drain but still

[thorn cloud]

https://pokepast.es/e834dd9ced32b659

This is definitely a team

[proud herald]

https://pokepast.es/8933c7384a2167fd

is it still that bad

[proud herald]

it's a bad choice cause his only hazard control is hatterene

[thorn cloud]

U turn on a quiver dance set?

Isn't that a bit anti-synergestic

Idk how to spell

[limber spear]

theres also that np v switch thunderous set

also evs r weird to say the least

and then the boots oger set is rlly weird with its move and evs also garg enjoys hazard removal a lot i think cuz it wants lefties to ensure longevity

and then no knock absorber

no pon check

and then no knocker on h stack+boots spam is btter for fat so hamu shouldnt be glasses(?)

[round portal]

cb slitherwing :P https://pokepast.es/8fb91c7784a94120

any set changes/tera type changes?

[proud herald]

yeah okay this one was for goofs

[proud herald]

what's wrong with it ? should it be specs ?

[limber spear]

set up and pivot move in same set is weird

[proud herald]

boots oger is a smogon set but i added hp evs and replaced spikes with leech

[proud herald]

lowkey boosted volc or thundurus

[proud herald]

makes sense i guess

[limber spear]

r u sure

that set is for wellspring iirc

uh

[proud herald]

ah yeah maybe
could it work with leech instead of encore

[limber spear]

u also need knock off on h stack

[limber spear]

what if they get in and start spamming tera water ivy cudgel

also prolly be 224 speed on ogerpon? lets u outspeed max speed treads

[remote horizon]

https://pokepast.es/5d73298889d4590e can i get some feedback preferably some good replacements for walking wake since im playing on a cobblemon server for this team and i cant get him yet maybe for other mons you guys have replacement but no leggies or paradox

[round portal]

ival looks really scary into this

off the top of my head

[remote horizon]

whats ival?

[round portal]

iron valiant

iron moth also looks like a really hard matchup

[remote horizon]

what should i change?

[round portal]

maybe pult could be a different sweeper

like venu could revenge kill moth with earth power and wall iron valiant

[remote horizon]

hmm okok

btw do you have changes for walking wake?

[round portal]

the wake set is pretty normal

[remote horizon]

the thing is i cant use waking wake so im looking for substitutes for it

[round portal]

wake is probably the #1 sun abuser though

or great tusk

like sun is carried by those 2

[remote horizon]

hmmm okok so i guess theres really no other

aite thanks

venu is venusaur right?

[round portal]

ye

[remote horizon]

okok thanks

[modern summit]

Should I remove my heavy slam on ting lu for a whirlwind?

Or earthquake

[round portal]

what is the team?

[limber spear]

u rarely drop eq ngl

[modern summit]

https://pokepast.es/6cdfca1d0899de76

[round portal]

it looks like ur pretty strong into hatt and clef already tho

with ghold and treads

i think eq is prob better

[modern summit]

Ok

[rapid sable]

having trouble with kingambit and ogerpon here
https://pokepast.es/2a678546fc135edc

[proud herald]

thundurus is faster no ?

[proud herald]

aight thanks

[limber spear]

uh woger is 110 thunder is 101

even then u r relying on offensive plays to keep it in check (not ideal anyways cuz no switch in ) and boots spam wants to be fat = hv switch in to common threats

incarnate is 111 iirc but

[frail sun]

https://pokepast.es/1adf2e957955765a I don't know who i should replace because my team looks weak to gliscor

[inner terrace]

maybe make ghold scarf

gambit can be beatable if you play well but scarf helps ease it cause late game trick

and then speed also helps for pon

you have specs bolt for breaking anyways

[inner terrace]

your team looks honestly kinda fine vs gliscor but if you have a problem you can try idpress corv

corv is probably the best glisc answer there is

team looks a little slow though maybe consider pult and then darkrai over bolt and pech?

this way you still have the ghost but also a ghost resist and speed control

and darkrai/pult helps pressure gking for rona

on these builds as well try making rona morning sun for longevity

like over psychic

[thorn cloud]

https://pokepast.es/58c711c8752c495b

Tentacruel on team now

[gray karma]

https://pokepast.es/798c0911ec94a8ba

I wanted to build around iron jugulis. Rock Tomb was for Moltres and Volcarona since it got unbanned. And Sacred Sword was just for some Blissey etc idk if it was a good idea.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gray karma]

Just I feel Dnite is annoying so it's why I put Rock Tomb, also Hex was for Gholdengo and some Special Attacker Psychic or Ghost types if I can't give that much damage with Malignant Chain

[prime tendon]

I think I've made my best team yet what do you guys think ? https://pokepast.es/5009b9ea89d02551

[gray karma]

Seems decent just I think u have many weaknesses on flying type like Galarian Moltres but np Kingambit lowk walls it or even Val if u don't let it setup

[quartz lark]

Paris Saint-Germain FC

https://pokepast.es/0db888f529783b63

[quartz stream]

isn't this the exact same team you made before?

[quartz stream]

no blissey is coming in on an hrott

sacred sword is nice for like kingambit though

also since you're scarf it can be useful for zama

two big issues I see at first glance:

1. you're an offense team without any priority to stop setup sweepers
2. you've got like 4 hazard weak pokemon and your only removal is a booster tusk that needs to sacrifice its single use item to clear hazards

not sure how to fix those without removing jugulis ngl

moonblast + shadow ball + CC val shows up and you have to spend tera to not be oneshot

[quartz lark]

Yes no amicable feedback was given so I resubmitted

[quartz stream]

someone told you your hazard control was insufficient which was a fine assessment

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/26288d3042e4e85f
Wanted to build a Meloetta team, since it’s my 3rd fav mon
Found a niche where it’s unique that after knocking off gking boots, it can 2hko with psyshock and has tbolt for Alo and the birds, along with it being a nice knocker and whatnot
Would have loved for it to get psy noise, but it is what it is
It’s put in solid work, noticed Kyurem is a threat and a half, making Alo my only check if it’s specs, and Melo 1v1 it if subtect, with dd being a non threat
Rain was also a problem, which is why I added Alo in the first place + wish passing to a boots spam with 2 mons who can’t recover

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

Any thoughts on how to improve the team? Think this is the best way it can be while keeping the star of the show;

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-miku-miku-beam-beam-sawtowne-gif-17984643835845568705

Also it’s pretty fucking good at stall breaking, with Gliscor being the only problem, which feels pretty manageable, although annoying ash. Any way to kill it faster?
P.S- May try Hex Pech as to counter it

[quartz lark]

That was an incorrect assesment.

[ivory crater]

https://pokepast.es/703216e4b71d5e7a

i cant seem to make it work with this team

it feels really awkward to use for a balance team

[visual nymph]

https://pokepast.es/737e4303d2d900e1 rates and suggestions?

[quartz stream]

hyper beam?? someone cooked

is that for hrott?

[ivory crater]

sure

i added it mostly because tera normal would give me a ghost immunity and i thought it would be funny

[gray karma]

Oh, I can change Booster energy to hdb on tusk ? and uhh for priority I can't see at all what to put

Sometimes I forgot to put prio moves it can be useful for me

[modern summit]

Is the stuff I have for volcarona good enough? I made this a while ago and haven’t played into any volcarona yet so im unsure as to prepare for what

[gray karma]

Maybe put iron head over ice spinner on Treads if u rly want to play Earthquake on Ting-lu

[gray karma]

u still have Dragonite but put it adamant so u just need one or two D-Dance so u can do more damage with Tera Normal

[modern summit]

But then I don’t outspeed draga after a ddance

[gray karma]

oh

ya true

But ig u mainly resist to all his attack if ur max HP except if it's Will-o-Wisp moveset

[round portal]

wisp volcy looks like a hard mu ngl but if u save tera for zama u should be fine

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/19f7133ac969bac6

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Should I run iron head over slide on Drill?

[modern summit]

I think I need spinner tho

[modern summit]

Still, its nice to always outspeed draga and ohko with ice spinner with jolly

I take a lotta damage even if tera normal

[gray karma]

Depends if u struggle against Dnite or no

bcz Dnite annoying

[modern summit]

Ice spinner also hits gliscor

252 Atk Tera Ice Iron Treads Ice Spinner vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Gliscor: 376-448 (106.8 - 127.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

It has a high chance to ohko pult too

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/f67243c4d5888ccc
got top 21 with this variant

[wooden linden]

think this team should be good yeah

could see ghold and val sets changing

like idk sd liquidation val and maybe tera steel metal coat np ghold

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/1c1a3de5859e30e1

[wooden linden]

lowkey jolly gambit with low kick over iron head

still keep glasses tera dark though

[gritty lake]

does it still beat stall

[wooden linden]

should be fine vs stall

you can pressure clef decently with the team anyways

[gritty lake]

alr

[low phoenix]

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Liquidation
• Encore / Taunt
• Swords Dance

this set ok?

[jade cedar]

i don't see the point of two av that both fold to EQ also you have no real ground imumnity

also exca being your only hazard control to a bulky team that would despise hazards is ehhh

that bolt definitely need volt switch

Idk how to feel about slither wing

[wooden linden]

Think its cc over encore or taunt

[jade cedar]

would probably stick slide since otherwise most of the birds would wall your exca, zap molt and corv mainly

[nocturne sable]

Structure wise this team seems really random. Looks like you’re just using the new toys for the sake of it

[quartz lark]

Seems that way yes. This is just me integrating football formations condensed to 6 mons

Did a 3 - 1 - 2

Landorus is my CenterMidfielder.

Weavile and Regieleki are my Wingers.

Volcarona is my CenterForward.

Pecharunt Alomomola are my Fullbacks.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/610f62caa583542e is this good?

[nocturne sable]

Standard balance comp should be fine

[jade cedar]

is stall annoying?

[quartz stream]

if you can chip the blissey slightly, you can win vs stall

252 SpA Choice Specs Darkrai Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 236-278 (36.1 - 42.6%)

future sight does like 10% to blissey, so if you can pull out a bit of chip from somewhere you might be able to manage

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/d095dad9bbe16dde

maybe Colbur dengo would be more appropriate instead of shuca

Zam mu not looking the best

[quartz stream]

seems like a pretty standard hstack aside from the dnite set, have you tested it on ladder?

[limber crystal]

ofc

70% of the team I kinda copied for one of the new samples

I’ve been pushing with that team

[quartz stream]

pech can handle zama fine enough

[limber crystal]

It performs well but it wasn’t quite the right one for me so I decided to make a little changes

[limber crystal]

I get loads of defense drops tbh

right on switch ins

[quartz stream]

yea fair enough if you get def dropped you're cooked

tera dark offensive crunch is doing 48 or so

[limber crystal]

yeah I think Colbur on dengo wouldn’t be bad

if anything I can compensate with tera flying on dengo

For the ground weakness

[quartz stream]

have you had trouble with gambit? that's what low kick dnite is for?

[limber crystal]

yeah I suppose

(I didn’t come up with the dnite set)

But it’s very helpful against gambit

aside from it being useful

It’s very unique

And you don’t see it

[quartz stream]

true

[limber crystal]

catches them off guard

which adds to the advantages

[quartz stream]

I don't really like colbur ghold

you might just have to go tera fighting pech or smth and just accept you will have trouble spinblocking against zama teams

[limber crystal]

yeah I’ll test the team out on ladder and proceed with the experience

[quartz stream]

cuz the shuca is so you can use ghold to block tusk right? pech can't do that without tera

[limber crystal]

Yeah

[quartz stream]

oh but ghold can't touch the tusk back

[limber crystal]

dnite would be enough for ground immunity but it really doesn’t help with getting rid of tusk

Which also breaks the multi scale

[quartz stream]

yea tusk just spins on dnite to clear hazards and break scale

and then after that it can just ice spinner to oneshot you

[limber crystal]

should I maybe go balloon

[quartz stream]

so in the end you do need tera ghost pecha I think

[quartz stream]

yea try offensive balloon ghold

[limber crystal]

yeah I think this might be the best option

[quartz stream]

drop recover for make it rain

[limber crystal]

Thank you for your time and suggestions boss 🫡

[quartz stream]

you can like a hit from zama and para it so try that ig
252 Atk Tera Dark Zamazenta Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 258-306 (81.9 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[quartz stream]

yea np, gl on aldder

[limber crystal]

🙏

[nocturne sable]

You have double regen

And a pp staller in corv

Specs rai also like 6-0s stall when Blissey is dead

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/4d015dd9b4088925

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

Having issues with sun

[inner terrace]

yeah all veil teams are super weak to sun

nothing you can really do much about it aside from trynna change it to a nite screens team type

[stone sierra]

Anything I should change?

With mus outside of sun

[inner terrace]

outside of screens honestly it looks fine maybe make iron crown a booster speed set

but if you want to ease the sun mu enough what you can do is run snowscape over moonblast and then get the screens up and pray that manaphy can beat everyone else

ceru also solidish vs sun

so i think that can be an option to make sun playable but obviously not a perfect mu

[stone sierra]

The team also feels kinda ass into gambit

[quartz stream]

your zama can't beat a gambit?

[stone sierra]

It can but i use it for a lot of things

Feels like I can’t switch in bc I die to iron head

[quartz stream]

if you see a gambit you should be keeping your zama healthy

[quartz lark]

Real Madrid FC

https://pokepast.es/1be96592ad7a3d80

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

loses to zama

your structure has no mons that can beat zama, only special attacker vs it is eleki and it doesnt exactly beat it

you'll need to swap something out theres a lot of options you can go with fixing the mu spreads

corv on this type of gterrain is a little strange though i will say, you still need a steel type and a flying type somewhere though so maybe ghold over corv and then

maybe a moltres somewhere?

like over eleki

[quartz lark]

Since zama's setup is slow I'll just press with leki and mola.

moltres over leki seems weird since leki is reference point of the attack.

then when zama is in range (it being lefties makes it vulnerable to rocks), there is rilla for emergency terrain lorb-boosted priority

[round portal]

i mean 252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. +3 252 HP / 88 Def Zamazenta in Grassy Terrain: 55-66 (14.1 - 17%)

almost outhealed by terrain + lefties

[quartz stream]

if the zama is on 3% health you can finish it off at least

[round portal]

😭

[quartz lark]

zama was never a threat

[round portal]

it isnt?

[quartz lark]

not with high pressing. if the team was playing deep then its a threat

[quartz stream]

you get points for commitment to the theming at least

[quartz lark]

thats simply a cosmetic

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/cf6979b8aa2f2e0a

thoughts? i was one game away from 1600s with this team

tornadus therian, last mon gambit and valiant were hard to beat in a 1v1

sometimes zama

[quartz stream]

you have val to hard shut down gambit no?

also encore woger

[worn socket]

right

mb i slotted in i val for specs moth

rillaboom could get sketchy

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/c706ddbfdae4fb15

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/0b6e84eeb7bbe473

[glacial crypt]

Doubles Ou

https://pokepast.es/a44880788ba9d4bb

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @glacial crypt, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[queen saddle]

We rate singles

[jade cedar]

#1059655497587888158

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/da1ece1a2ebcab53

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

looks fine to me

steel sub zama might be a little scary but looks outplayable

[whole willow]

the mixed results with this is prob just user error then
i'll try and get some sleep

[inner terrace]

you might struggle vs great tusk but ive seen teams with worse

probably fine

[whole willow]

yeah i’ll test this later on

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/1e32a17924cc9fdb

[uneven nexus]

https://pokepast.es/0c6dbbfd59337e72

My current team; is there anyway I could improve it? I've noticed it having mixed results against stall teams

[placid sable]

https://pokepast.es/c284e7e8d059d42a

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/0e03d204a7390880

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4d5c71fe26c57c5f

[quartz stream]

you could try encore on your mixed val

over dbond

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/063d2da3713b95d5
team loses to moltres, zapdos, zama, kyurem, webs, np rai and torn, volcarona, and bulky attackers in general

any suggestions

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

also loses to fast attackers in general honestly, really it's only good against super passive teams

[nocturne sable]

What’s cobalion doing here

[quartz stream]

cobalion was the concept of the team, the idea was that it has justified to punish knock off, ceaseless, ruination, etc

and also it is the rocks setter + deals decently well with gambit

[nocturne sable]

Yea but what’s it doing on this structure

Cobalion does nothing to benefit this structure

Cobalion likes being used on more volt turn spammy teams

[quartz stream]

I was trying something different yeah

I don't build hazard stacks much so it makes sense it sucks ass

I was thinking cobalion sets rocks, and it can tera ghost to block rapid spin, and then if like a tusk hits it with knock off it can kill back

so far that has only worked against ting lu and nothing else

[inner terrace]

boots zama and nite over tusk

[inner terrace]

gking and pech have overlap, swap one of them out for a flying, can try torn here if you struggle to stall

torn over pech gives a better stall mu

[inner terrace]

make glisc spdef and it's fine, can consider loon pult

[inner terrace]

it's fine

[inner terrace]

swap tusk out for something else like ting skarm or grasspon

[inner terrace]

lando is redundant with rocks imo, dont like lando with scarf on terrain

band rilla is ass ngl

[inner terrace]

this is fine maybe

i think people like lorb rona on greedy rona sets though but have to test

[nocturne sable]

To improve this structure generally

https://pokepast.es/68534eda1f2638cb

something roughly like this

[jade cedar]

won't I need removal?

[inner terrace]

no

your removal is having boots on most of your guys

on that note

make zama boots too

[quartz stream]

ok thanks a bunch, but isn't grassy seed volc with only mortal spin for removal super risky?

[quartz lark]

FC Arsenal

https://pokepast.es/d35f8f0ad64bf3aa

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/c7017dafcba4c2d0

Should i replace the Scizor or ogerpon?

[lucid onyx]

Well if I run boots zama then do i use ironpress or 4 atks?

[gray karma]

Maybe Scald over Chilling Water both work

[quartz lark]

Wanted directness over slow burn, which also bypasses fire types.

[nocturne sable]

I like being greedy

+rillaboom can 1v1 most rock setters like Lu tusk etc

[inner terrace]

boots 3a roar is fine

[lucid onyx]

Alr

Ty

[inner terrace]

crunch ice fang

tera fire

[lucid onyx]

Alrighty

[nocturne sable]

Yk I was thinking we can also go specs enam and Tera ground hamu

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/6e7de51f123155bb

I made another team which has been doing better in the ladder

[inner terrace]

this is fine

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/bee10e306c31e54a shuld i slot in like some phsyical att

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

idk like zarude ceru slither

[inner terrace]

think it's usable

[limber spear]

okay thx

(eh suns do be rlly similar anyways so wtv )

[quartz lark]

how is this sun if there's no sun setter

[limber spear]

oh

right

😭

no wonder it feels so weird

[quartz lark]

[limber spear]

and i loaded a game

[nocturne sable]

When making a sun team don’t forget to always use a drought setter ❤️

[gray karma]

Put Ninetales over Volca or Hatterene 😥

or wtv u want

[gritty lake]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

how on earth

😭

[nocturne sable]

This guy thought there were 7 slots in Pokemon

[quartz lark]

I know a game with 7 slots, its called lommian legacy

[grim cobalt]

I'm going to smuggle a 7th mon in my next team

[chilly jungle]

https://pokepast.es/ab1b8162e4ca38fb

Any recommendations on what to switch / fix

[inner terrace]

yo my bad i totally did not see the no sun setter 💀

swap out hatt then

[inner terrace]

run fblast on plot rai

you have enough coverage around for scor

then i think it's fine, i honestly am a big treads hater but it's fine

put some tera types on though

zama got no tera

treads got no tera

can make treads ghost

can make zama whatever

fight is fine

dark is fine

steel is fine

stellar maybe can work idk

[rapid sable]

where can I see move usage rate for each mon

I wanna see if anyone else is running quick attack on ogerpon

[gray karma]

nobody uses it in like 2k matches I see nun

if u want a priority move it has grassy glide as I remember I ain't 100% sure

I saw in Pinkacross vid

[rapid sable]

only prio on grassy terrain though right

[glacial gazelle]

can anyone help me with these two gimmick teams? https://pokepast.es/63cd86a68490ffd7 and https://pokepast.es/00f40c93df5ffb3b

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

-honchkrow is garbage just run kingambit.

-I do not understand this vespiqueen at all

[glacial gazelle]

its a gimmick

[quartz lark]

What is the gimmick’s function

[glacial gazelle]

to have fun

[quartz lark]

That’s not a function

[glacial gazelle]

i think it is

[quartz lark]

[glacial gazelle]

i'd just copy a sample team if i wanted to use kingambit

[quartz lark]

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/2c56ec3f6a909ae8 i keep eating shit with this team but the streets told me to use Kyurem, what can I do to fix it

[nocturne sable]

Well this channel is for optimizing teams unfortunately, the strategy you’re trying to use is unviable.

[glacial gazelle]

alright, sorry about that then

[thorn cloud]

https://pokepast.es/ad2f2b63499f60dd

Surprisingly effective Dudunsparce Hazard Stack for OU

[round portal]

i think u might want a fire resist

stuff like volcarona, ace, heatran, ceru all will go crazy vs this team ngl

[quartz stream]

bless, I tried it the team and it worked p well, probably gonna end up modifying a few things

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/f58800fd00d8503e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

only removal corv never works out well

[robust dome]

I mean is the team that weak to hazards tho? I only see moth being really hurt by them.

[final relic]

none of your guys like taking repeated rocks or even rocks+spikes and you can’t really get rid of them if there’s a ghold or they just taunt the corv

[robust dome]

Do you reckon scizor or treads would work better then?

[final relic]

well ideally you want 2 forms of removal on such a team

[robust dome]

Maybe scarf treads or tusk over lando-?

[final relic]

you could do that

[robust dome]

That gives fighting coverage asw

if its tusk

[final relic]

probably don’t want lando + corv that’s a bit too much overlap

yeah

ogerpon mu is really not great either here

[robust dome]

I see. or would booster bulk up tusk be better? I think it's a bit more flexible.

For oger Im usually relying on corv taking a good hit and bringing in moth to nuke something

[final relic]

well here tusk will be relied on to spin very frequently so you’d want boots on it

[robust dome]

That's another set you use right

bulky tusk with bulk up and rapid spin?

[final relic]

you can probably just run rapid spin headlong rush ice spinner rocks here

[robust dome]

That's a bit default tbh

but Idm

[robust dome]

so just the offensive utility sample set?

[final relic]

yeah that should work

[robust dome]

I think I'll run adamant here

since the only place it makes a difference is the dragapult matchup

[final relic]

well no

[robust dome]

I don't see anywhere else it's making a difference- still 409 after 1 spin

[final relic]

you really want to outrun things such as

glimmora

gholdengo

[robust dome]

oh right

before the spin

completely forgot

okay yeah jolly is significantly better then

[robust dome]

aight ty for the advice Ill keep testing it

[gray karma]

Yes

[robust dome]

Ur right just got swept by a wellspring

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/2272ad295e808e3b does this suck?

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/05ae4e19cb3b53a8

[jade cedar]

air ballon pult 🥀 also that volc set is super greedy, yeah you have tusk and hatt but rocks absolutely ruins this team if you're not careful, also isn't utility woger just better?

[gritty lake]

can we not rate teams if we are not familiar w/ the tier

[jade cedar]

I'm familiar with said tier and air balloon pult is odd, not exactly rating either but stating visible problems

[gray karma]

Put hdb on Volca and tusk🙏

and why air balloon

Maybe put rocks on tusk since it's not the bulk up moveset

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/dcc1bcdd96fdc2dd
main mon is specs sylveon
other than that change anything else if needed

[gritty lake]

again

dont rate if ur not familiar w/ the tier

[queen saddle]

H Samu Lover is a pretty common person here, just like you.
I’m rather sure a lot of the people here are very familiar with the tier, or at least have a solid understanding on it. Please don’t dismiss others because of a simple role, and acknowledge their thoughts. It could help you more than you think.

[gritty lake]

its not my role

[queen saddle]

I wasn’t talking about your role

I was talking about the competitive helper role

[gritty lake]

balloon pult, booster 3a tusk are very known sets

also

[queen saddle]

Balloon Pult is… not used very often. I understand the use of it though, however I’ve rarely seen it

And booster a tusk is a used set too, of course
Just you may want boots as to generally get tusk in easier

[gritty lake]

boots on tusk and moth with double removal+taunt lead faster than all hazard setters

[queen saddle]

Especially since rocks can mess your team up if they keep em up

[gritty lake]

and thats why i have double removal?

[queen saddle]

Scarf Ghold is a rough mu

[gritty lake]

yes ok thank you

this is what im looking for

[queen saddle]

Hatt is not a form of removal, only just blocking

[gritty lake]

same thing

[queen saddle]

But yeah Gholdengo is just brutal to face
Even balloon, although that set has more checks on your team

Lu and tghost Pech isn’t the best mu? although volc can break

[gritty lake]

mhm

[queen saddle]

Wouldn’t you want a rocker of your own? Ceru can be annoying

Namely sash set

Counter doesn’t affect Ceru and it can bitter blade back up, and you need to make sure it doesn’t get a weak armor boost and pray it doesn’t have sneak too

[gritty lake]

think oger 1v1s with taunt

[queen saddle]

I kinda like scarf Ghold somewhat over Pult

it’s a steel type

Which your team may want

trick being able to help with stall breaking if you want that

[gritty lake]

scarf ghold is not saving from dnite

[queen saddle]

with the pult

True

But I feel like

you could def adjust the tera on ghold

You could do fly for eq dnite, you could do fighting for fblast boost, you could do smth for ghosts

etc etc

But I do get the dnite portion, so not too sure how to fix everything

I really would want rocks on this team
but Hatt can help bounce back and virtually have your own rocks

But it just feels eh
I’d place rocks on tusk but then you kinda struggle with the moveslot
Not too sure how to add it on there

Just you kinda need a form of hazards at least for HO to get past sash mons

and punish other greedy teams

[gritty lake]

@nocturne sable help 🙏

[quartz lark]

[queen saddle]

Think I got a potential answer with Glimm
Lead set should do fine, with rocks 3a
Either sash or power herb

over Coger

[gritty lake]

hm

ig

[queen saddle]

Scarf Ghold still isn’t great, but it helps against Pech and can dodge polter with sash/herb

and solves the rocks issue

[queen saddle]

PS- Also helps with booster speed moth which is horrible against the team as well

[queen saddle]

What’s the point of skarm?

Get yourself a rocker and use cc tusk

Use plot offensive gholdengo with psyshock

you need a breaker

then use defensive pech

Actually use knock off tusk, much better here

and clef over skarm

[queen saddle]

Team doesn’t feel great, since all the mons are kinda not working tg
Tusk Glowking over glis and umbreon

And I think

Pult over lati

Keld might work here but I’d find a replacement, not too sure what but you probably want a knocker

first thought was val but you alr got a strong fairy

Oh, wogerpon

[jade cedar]

tbf wanted something that has physical bulk while also resisting fairy

[whole willow]

skarm is a fake fairy resist

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/b9aecd473721e8e9 long time since i've built my own team, thoughts? Quite bulky hazard stack with Primarina & Kingambit. I'm a little concerned about the lack of speed though, anything I can do about that?

Maybe make ghold choice scarf instead?

[limber spear]

that corv set is smth

[jade cedar]

defog with hs is a lot of times just self-sabotaging

you need a spinner

[queen saddle]

Prim is pretty unnecessary with an Alo

if I were a raging bolt

I’d spam pulse until ur lu were dead

then spam tbolt till you lose

or just click specs draco

Make a skarm pech lu core and turn this into semi stall

[worn lark]

Oh true i did not think of that actually

[queen saddle]

boots spam semi stall

[worn lark]

Could i go tera ground on prim and use that + whirlpool to trap and kill bolt

Maybe too gimmicky then

[queen saddle]

Bolt just teras fairy

[worn lark]

True

[queen saddle]

cm and dpulse

[worn lark]

How does that solve the bolt problem tho

No pokemon can switch into booster cm bolt as far as i’m aware, except like blissey clodsire av glowking and quag and 3/4 of those are near exclusively stall

[worn lark]

I could do boots spam and forgo removal entirely i suppose

[jade cedar]

isn't having no ground immunity bad tho?

[jade cedar]

ting forces bolt to not spam tbolt, if it isn't specs ting is eating any draco and even if chipped you can have like wish mola to keep it healthy

[queen saddle]

you have balloon ghold in case of emergency, clef eats up ground hits and tera pech can too
Also forgot to mention but I really like ice beam clef here for gliscor, it’s something I run personally

[jade cedar]

252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 174-205 (44.1 - 52%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO ehhh

[queen saddle]

Oh

Seems like my internal calcs were wrong

Well you could go w smth like Zap

[jade cedar]

instead of it?

[jade cedar]

actually can't I go to something like torn for more knock offs?

[queen saddle]

Yeah
Could prolly do a certain tera to beat Kyurem too

[jade cedar]

nothing can wall freeze dry and ep without being weak to something else

actually if I'm going torn, I'll make it av and make samu htb, torn has some recovery with regen

[queen saddle]

fairy is enough

[hollow hornet]

rate my team? tryna see what evs n stuff would work better and if any items should be changed etc https://pokepast.es/304e03d7bfb77d20

[round portal]

i think u want kingambit to be sd firstly 👀

the sub cm prim set also usually uses tera ghost to 6-0 stall to get past blissey

[hollow hornet]

ive been catching hella kingambit 1v1s off guard tbh im kinda messing w low kicik

[round portal]

maybe u could change kowtow or iron head to sd

[queen saddle]

I feel like Iron Valiant is a hard mu, booster cm encore is a very hard set for you

You also lack a tspike soaker and I feel like you don’t have
amazing hazard control to the point you can be greedy enough to run all lorb za, cm lefties prim, and specs Kyurem

and also you would

REALLY love sd on gambit

+2 fallen 5 gambit being able to kill a Tusk when it’s low enough

matters a lot

[covert cairn]

This is my first time building a team and I chose to make a sun team. What do you guys think and do I need to make changes? https://pokepast.es/7749b50a261c8d9b

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

Sun is a hard mu too, no great check into Venu and weather ball Bolt

Without a doubt I believe Prim should be Gking here

and Zama should be boots since you have an incredible breaker in Kyurem

[covert cairn]

do u mind rating my team as well?

[queen saddle]

I’d also run t ice on Kyurem as to hurt Blissey more

[queen saddle]

I’ll get to you

[covert cairn]

appreciate it

[queen saddle]

Maybe make Treads more spdef

and use knock off so rocks can punish opp more

Alternatively you can run specs Pult and Iron Valiant for the fairy while keeping similar roles, etc etc

Over Zama and Kyurem

More thoughts may be added, since I do feel like the team isn’t perfect with said changes, like it can be weak to end game tera gambit

Esp with Za chipped

But not sure, just gonna have to play well brother

[queen saddle]

Corvi is a BIG momentum sink and should not really be ran here, always go Tusk
for the ground immunity you can run Cresselia over Hatterene, which does similar things to Hatt

I don’t like Hisui here, if I’m being honest. CB is a mediocre set as well if you really wanted to run it
It’s worse now that it lost tera blast

I’d always go Venu here, although you may lack physical breakers, booster atk tusk with spin 3a is strong

plus helps w woger

[swift forum]

this team looks pretty good.

corv is generally not used on sun, yeah, but you can probably make it work. probably run brave bird and uturn over body press and idef. you can run spdef lefties on corv and physdef on torkoal. spdef would be really good here since it actually gives you a switchin and pivot for ghold/specs pult shadow ball.

also you have a ground immune in corv so there's not much reason to run balloon on bolt, so you can go life orb. you could change the raging bolt moves as well, generally the raging bolt set on sun is thunderclap draco weather ball solar beam, and if you were to drop one it would probably be solar beam since you are already hitting lu pretty hard with draco/weather ball.

lilligant hisui is fine. it hits very hard and fulfills the physical attacker on the team as well as the speed control. if you were to replace corv with tusk then maybe drop the lilligant but it's kinda necessary to the team right now. one thing i would suggest is replacing poison jab with a filler move. it wouldn't hit much anyways and solar blade and cc are also stronger even when jab is 2x. lilligant actually gets lots of good moves, you could replace jab with defog, encore, or healing wish, just to name a few.

[covert cairn]

sorry im still new to competitive so i dont know what CB is or venu

[covert cairn]

who’s lu in this context? And I thought keeping jab on hisui would be good to deal with fairies but I see your vision here

[queen saddle]

choice band, venusaur

[queen saddle]

Corvi isn’t necessary if you use Cress, like I’ve said

And cress is bulkier than Corvi, soaks up Tusk any day, etc etc

While passive sure, Corvi is the same

Ice beam punishes dnite and grounds

[queen saddle]

he’s referring to ting lu

Sun is also usually a pretty ho type of style

so having Corvi just sucks

You don’t need switch ins into shadow ball when 4 members of the team OHKO Ghold

esp if u run weather ball bolt

[rough cairn]

https://pokepast.es/bb15d3134ab3ea1c is my team good first team ever

[covert cairn]

okok

[covert cairn]

so cress instead of hatt and tusk instead of corv

[covert cairn]

what’s a good build for this?

[covert cairn]

ho is in hyper offensive?

[queen saddle]

Yeah

[queen saddle]

Yep

[queen saddle]

?

[swift forum]

ok but what about pult? and you even got rid of the two dragon resists.

[covert cairn]

good build for a choice band venusaur

[queen saddle]

Wake outspeeds already and Bolt can be tera fairy
If you’re really scared of pult, just tera your Cress
Again, it’s ho, you gotta play as offensively as possible, and check that offensively. Pretty sure it dies to weather ball from +2 venu too

[queen saddle]

That’s.. not a build
I was talking about the abbreviations
cb is choice band, venu is venusaur…

Just use the standard set

[covert cairn]

okay then

[covert cairn]

https://pokepast.es/11c3e5efe4320b5e here’s the updated version taken yall advice. Any other tips? @queen saddle @swift forum

[queen saddle]

DON’T USE CB VENU, USE THE GROWTH SET..

Honestly, a good set I see on Venu could be mixed growth with eq to help against stall, although I believe tusk is enough.
lorb growth giga drain sludge bomb and either eq/weather ball, tera type depending on whichever move used is ground/fire

[covert cairn]

so this would be better than my one tap liligant

[queen saddle]

Tusk is not wanting the booster energy, with sun you probably just want boots or even scarf if you feel greedy

[queen saddle]

Yeah

Cress should use this

Cresselia (F) @ Eject Button
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Dance
• Ice Beam
• Thunder Wave
• Moonlight

Although you can use poison for Valiant

[covert cairn]

okay then

[queen saddle]

Or fairy for Pult

[queen saddle]

Also use ice spinner over knock off

[covert cairn]

Okay then

Venusaur @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Ground / Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Growth
• Giga Drain
• Weather Ball
• Sludge Bomb

is this good for venusaur?

[queen saddle]

and change tera to something like steel for defensive utility or fighting for breaking even more with cc

[queen saddle]

If you go with this set use t fire

and yes

[covert cairn]

for tusk?

[covert cairn]

what would be an alternative

[queen saddle]

Bolt doesn’t have to be balloon although the additional ground immunity for Tusk is nice
You could do near starter coverage with weather ball solar beam, along with tbolt and thunderclap, but the set works fine

[queen saddle]

Yeah

[queen saddle]

Alternative?
It’s just mixed attacker with earthquake over weather ball to break past stall like clodsire and blissey

[covert cairn]

should I put a life orb then?

[covert cairn]

okay then

[queen saddle]

Yeah, life orb is fine
You can use -spdef nature so you don’t lower ur physical bulk for woger

if you really wanted weather ball alongside eq, put ball over sludge bomb
I’m giving you what may feel like too many options, so just do what you feel is best for your team

Just listing options for your team

[covert cairn]

what’s woger and eq?

[queen saddle]

Woger is Ogerpon Wellspring

and eq is earthquake

[queen saddle]

team is kinda all over the place, not too sure if you’re too familiar with the tier or teambuilding, so I’d highly recommend building with samples

!samples

[regal ginkgo]

Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

Pure Hackmons (Gen 6)

• ORAS Pure Hackmons Hub
• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Ability Viability Rankings
• Threatlist)
• What is Hackmons? Article

Overview

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OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[queen saddle]

@rough cairn

[nocturne sable]

Use mixed lo venusaur with earthquake growth giga drain weather ball

[covert cairn]

Venusaur @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Growth
• Giga Drain
• Weather Ball
• Earthquake

is this a good venu set?

[rough cairn]

yo

[rough cairn]

https://pokepast.es/01a67637ece42bae

[queen saddle]

Yeah, viable set, just be sure to be careful of dnite
cress and wake should handle that though, same with bolt

[rigid linden]

Ello js got into competitive pokemon over the last few months and was wondering if i could get some advice on my first team spent some time looking into different team comps and think found a decent one any advice is appreciated https://pokepast.es/20b428845548ec87

[white talon]

https://pokepast.es/daff0d0d826e11de any notes on this team ? i've been using it a lot recently and i'm quite proud of it but if there's anything y'all think i should do better in the future i'd love 2 hear it

[white talon]

i think the forretress is kinda redundant on a team that has a defensive garchomp , and it's generally better used defensively rather than offensively

the infiltrator whimsicott is pretty sick tho it'd definitely catch me off guard

personally i'd probably run shadow ball over u turn to catch unsuspecting gholdengos off guard

[rigid linden]

Alright I made a few tweaks but I feel like now i need to replace my Whimsicott https://pokepast.es/9c73ff55bf7e8577

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

This team… is not really viable
Banded Hoopa should be placed on pivot heavy balance cores as to get it in easily, Whimms and Cruel are ass, and this isn’t exactly a terrain team, with only one or two mons enjoying terrain

I’d check out samples for the tier

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

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• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
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Overview

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[queen saddle]

Team is kinda all over the place, scarf Tusk is not really great on this team, and mono removal Corvi is not good to have, as it’s blocked by taunt and Gholdengo

Comfey is ass and Dirge doesn’t fit on the team at all

I feel like this just wants to convert into terrain ho

[nocturne sable]

Air balloon pult is fine tech for tusk

And LO volc is commonly used

[jade cedar]

I did search it and it seem fine although definitely not common since I've never seen it before, not that lo volc is bad but mixed with another rock weak mon makes rocks really tough even with double hazard control it can still be overwhelmed especially when tusk itself isn't htb

[nocturne sable]

Yea volc is weak to hazards but you can position yourself in a position where hazards are not on the field. Hazard prevention isn’t just removal but preventing them from getting set up in the first place.

Offense teams you want as much power as possible

That’s why teams want to greed non hbd

FWIW Though hatt+tusk can prevent hazards from being set up

[jade cedar]

ye ig but still realistically hatt is not lasting forever and a comptent player would know that deleting it is a priority, ig it's high risk high reward kind of thing, also if that coger is used as a lead it probably would rather knock off instead of powerwhip

[jade cedar]

I still find it a bit niche

[nocturne sable]

It’s offense hatt isn’t meant to last forever

It can still do its job without having to last the entire game

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/d13c4237d4bf0880 - Zama webs team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Anyways my thing with this team is lack of priority.. you don’t have much that can revenge kill a darkrai for example.

I get counter cornerstone for lead zamas but you would want grass coverage like a power whip/horn leech for tusk and Hamurott leads. 3 attacks taunt here.

Dnite should be LO here. Dd outrage Tera fire punch espeed.

Tusk speed booster bulk up 3 attacks. Preferable headlong cc head smash Tera poison.

Hatt is fine on this comp. although I think custap hatt would be good here.

I honestly like iron moth here over volcarona imo. Tera fairy dazzling gleam seems nice with fiery dance sludge wave and maybe substitute. Spatk booster can be fine.

Outside of that the team structure should be fine.

Maybe wisp pult can be nice too to snipe physical attackers like gambit & zama

[rough cairn]

https://pokepast.es/01a67637ece42bae

[nocturne sable]

At this point you should probably just run the zodiac web team instead of trying to edit it

[robust dome]

I've edited it a bit more- I just really wanted to run Zama. https://pokepast.es/4862c4476821d42a

[robust dome]

I mean only 4 of the mons are the exact same right.. 😭

[rigid linden]

i really am trying to build a team myself but thanks alot for the advice kinda ended up rebuilding it all here is the i hopefully improvised version any and all advice is greatly appreciated https://pokepast.es/84b6dc8a24365880

[proud herald]

https://pokepast.es/b93a932dd4a597f5

i haven't tried it yet but basically

Meow/Garg/Shocks all have hazards to stack
I tried to keep as many pivot moves as I could
Lokix is here cause I was getting tired of not being able to revenge kill properly
Meow is faster than pon but maybe i'll change it back
garg is just a wall, I might put Protect instead of Earthquake to stall leftovers recovery
Kyurem is supposed to be a mixed attacker of sorts
shocks is here for being a ground type and a thunderbolt type
ghold is here because it's good and I wanted the 400 spA breaking power

i know there's better than shocks for ground/electric coverage
and i know kyurem as is suffers from being 4 attacks boots
so if anyone's got suggestions

[limber spear]

garg wants removal and then boots kyurem is quite meh and dengo should borderline be 60 speed for gambit

and then no ground immune and ghost resist isn’t the best

kyurem set is too

[queen saddle]

Feels like you can just turn this into hazard stack with air balloon Ghold and lead hazard stack Chomp

And make the rest of the team like

HO

Iron Valiant has good synergy with Tusk, you can run power herb Glimmora for the tspike and hazard removal in mortal spin + 3a, etc etc

Just a bunch of setup sweepers

[limber spear]

🤔 lead chomp is smth i think

like tank chomp right?

isn’t there better lead options tho

[queen saddle]

Is there a reason why you can’t make Shocks Tusk and make Meowscarada spikes over tspike

[queen saddle]

Probably, just the first thing I thought of

Tank Chomp is always a good hazard setter, tanks a lot while setting them up

and punishes Tusk if they ice spinner and/or spin

[proud herald]

i know 😔

[queen saddle]

and can tghost just to block the spin and punish tusk harder

[proud herald]

not at all

ah wait

one reason

i need a tbolt user

[limber spear]

i mean u pressure bird with taxel and spinner and then water with flower trick and salt cure

[queen saddle]

You also can just run tbolt ghold

and I’d def run a balloon on that

[proud herald]

yeah but then I can't have make it rain ?

[limber spear]

i think tbolt 2a is more seen on coats no?

[queen saddle]

Well you can make ghold offensive

with over recover

or over shadow ball and keep a similar set

[queen saddle]

But you’re not wrong there

Honestly I don’t really like your team at all @proud herald
Especially that..

kyurem…

I feel like Garg is a BIGGGG momentum sink

Like you could just use rocks tusk and get a whole new slot

for another mon

[proud herald]

it's fine i'm trying to change it too

[proud herald]

yeah but he's sturdy and easy enough to cover up my misplays

[proud herald]

which would be ?

[queen saddle]

Zap if you really want someone with electric move like tbolt

like discharge hurricane uturn roost is a set

ground immune helps a lot

[proud herald]

i can't escape zapdos

okay

i'll try

wait it doesn't have defog in gen 9 ?

tf i do now ? do I keep the boots on kyurem ?

[limber spear]

boots kyurem is quite bad ngl

[proud herald]

that's why i'm asking if I should keep them when my only removal is tusk's spin

[limber spear]

it’s playable and we hv things like ace hatt glim

[hollow hornet]

rmt? https://pokepast.es/04b8ef76f0c6f922

[inner terrace]

give your boulder a tera

also put nasty plot on your ghold

4 attacks isnt good

[hollow hornet]

alr just did, any other things?

[gray karma]

idk if I'm tripping but ur Dengo and ur Lando-T don't have Tera

Fairy for Dengo
Water for Lando-T

[solid helm]

https://pokepast.es/a64073c5b8e945fe

I will try to explain the reasoning I had while building my team. I wanted to get some feedback both in it and the team. Thank you beforehand.

Since the meta is defined by the offensive presence, and then defensive gameplay is a response to it, unless I am building stall I always start by an offensive threat and I chose Nasty Plot Tornadus-T.

It can threaten the vast majority of the meta, but it has some pokémon it can't break through, and that is Raging Bolt, Zapdos and Heatran. For that reason, I chose Ting-Lu, a pokémon that can enter in front of those and fight back with also good utility in Stealth Rocks.

I thought too about things that were able to threaten Tornadus-T by outspeeding it, like Darkrai, Scarf Kyurem, boosted paradoxes (like Tusk, Treads and Wake) or through priority like Kingambit. Some of those Ting-Lu could deal with, but I needed a reliable way to threaten them, so I chose Iron Valiant, and a scarfed one because this team will be switching a lot, I will need to preserve my mons and Booster Energy would only give me an one time advantage.

After that, I know Iron Valiant will be trapped in a move and will need to back off because of that, but also there are times it will need to enter the field to prevent some teamates faintings through it's offensive presence. To make it be able to do that I chose Alomomola. I didn't go with WishPass because Walking Wake is still an threat I can't deal with defensively and Ting-Lu has an timer on its back and I need to be prepared for longer games since this team is going into an balance inclined build, so, regen feels really nice.

Corviknight is there, may seem only because of Defog on first sight, which was an reason, but another one was its ability to counter Scizor, that is an reason why I chose Alomomola instead of Galarian Slowking. Scizor is an threat neither Tornadus-T or Iron Valiant could consistently deal with and I needed something for that (Continuing...)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solid helm]

Rocky Helmet was chosen instead of Leftovers for that purpose, to chip down Scizor (and other threats) along the way. It's also an piece more inclined to physical defense, which I think I needed, together with pivot and recovery.

The last one, Ogerpon-Cornerstone, was chosen because I wanted something to check Zapdos and other flying types, since I didn't have super-effective damage for those, and also water types. It doesn't have much deepened reasons compared to the other ones, but is an strong, fast and physical offensive wallbreaker/sweeper that can make progress through the game.

From all of those, I think that Alomomola could be replaced by Galarian-Slowking and Ogerpon-Cornerstone also feels very replaceable, although I need to give more thought on it (and would like to hear some too).

That's the reasoning behind my team.

[frozen fox]

i know this guy!

[solid helm]

You do indeed. You are my draft league nightmare

[frozen fox]

you play singles too?

[solid helm]

Ofc

I have been playing draft not much time ago. Actually, a short time ago

[frozen fox]

so which came first?

[solid helm]

Been playing singles for a long time

Since Gen 7

[frozen fox]

daaang

i remember those days

i was like a 1400's menace with b drum slurp

[frozen fox]

say what does this team do vs volc?

[solid helm]

There's Alomomola. I was able to defeat it through mirror coat. Also sturdy Ogerpon-Cornerstone being able to survive boosted hits and threaten it back. Also, if not boosted yet, Tornadus-T can threaten an KO too with Bleakwin Storm

Even without mirror coat, can chip it a little with scald and tera to Fairy to survive Bug Buzz

But it's indeed an troublesome thing to deal against

[frozen fox]

alo is not a check to that it doesn't really threaten to dmg except mirror coat

[solid helm]

Ik

[solid helm]

There's also Tera Dragon Corv with Brave Bird

[frozen fox]

true...

[solid helm]

For now it's a bad matchup, or it will be continuing if changing the team doesn't feel right

[frozen fox]

also psychic is unique

why not tbolt on i val?

[quartz stream]

ival trick can work

cornerpon can contain if it's not boosted but it's super sketchy

grassy seed tera grass lives and oneshots you I would say

[frozen fox]

i just feel super unsafe if rocks are up

i just feel as if it's like a 30-70 match up vs volc

[solid helm]

It was supposed to deal with Iron Moth and Pecharunt. Now thinking of it, may be an bad idea

Since I have reliable switch-in into Moth

[quartz stream]

it's not the worst move ever, defensive tera poison is also a thing

[solid helm]

Oh yeah, it was for Tera Poison Darkrai

I think I am going to replace it with Psyshock for Clodsire

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/5060c271139b3cd4

I do see a little problem with hazards, my main way of handling it is taunt + court change though

Wanted to build with Heracross due to a very, very simple calc

252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 199-235 (49.8 - 58.8%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

Was originally not gonna send this team at all lmao but it started to do some actual good work and yeah

[limber spear]

prolly want ghost resist somewhere 🤔 🤔 🤔

[queen saddle]

truth…

unfortunately no idea how to really replace anything
Other than of course, getting tusk over lando and heracross and turning this into a more serious team lmao

[limber spear]

er krai>deox?

[queen saddle]

Uh

why are you lowkey right

Yeah scarf rai works very well here

appreciate that

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/9fd81fcdd1a5d25a

clef set is prolly too weird

but idea was ice for kyurem and then cloak for freeze and somewhat better hatt mu(pain split)

krai can prolly change the last move to like wisp(?) but weez is annoying to break through then

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/c9a7fc233030e162

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

i really dont like locking urself into phantom force as it doesnt rly break anything due to bulky guys being able to heal up on off turns and also being rly easily punishable

also not sold on specs moth i think tspike booster would be better here + maybe make pult specs too

otherwise looks fine if a little weak to deo

[gritty lake]

Specs moth has felt really good tho

[queen saddle]

q question to respond abt scarf rai, should the last move slot be knock or fblast?

[limber spear]

depends on what u want but fblast is defo the more used one

[queen saddle]

True, just Deo had knock and scarf Rai kinda does it better but fblast would help a good bit against gambit

Could also use trick, that last moveslot is very flexible

[queen saddle]

What’s cc on clef for?

[limber spear]

freeze psy noise nuzzle and stuff

the team is just a auto lose to kyurem if not for her

[queen saddle]

Eh, I think freeze is annoying but it’s something that you shouldn’t bet on happening a lot
While para’s, same thing
I like magic guard and lefties tho

bc lefties can nearly assure you can get out of range if chipped

[limber spear]

ig thats fair its weird/niche anyways

[queen saddle]

I do think Dozo can be tgrass, just to be safer against power whip Woger

Since SD knock off sets are pretty difficult to answer

[limber spear]

i quite enjoy the dark resist tho

[queen saddle]

You also lack a tspike soaker
Although rest can heal off the poison, I’d be careful with some plays, like special attacking knockers are brutal for you

Namely rai

Rai has sludge bomb for clef and while probably ice beam if they didn’t remove it for sucker

[limber spear]

i mean at best my bet is just pech

[queen saddle]

Fair point
Your team does look pretty good though, those are just threats I’d recommend you look for

Since Rai is not an easy mu

You can make Clef steel for sludge bomb, since it should tank pulse relatively well with spdef investment?

Don’t remember the calcs

[limber spear]

i just wanted smth extra for kyurem imma test later ig

[queen saddle]

Nws you’re good

I’ve used spdef clef on teams of my own

[limber spear]

thx anyways

[queen saddle]

Ofc ofc

[queen saddle]

@limber spear https://pokepast.es/02c42603b44f0be9
My apologies if I bother ya but I am curious, this is the updated team and I figured t normal facade is better than sd
I don’t ever click sd, and with facade I have a LOT less checks, with it doing min 50% with no tera against gliscor and of course, hitting weezing decently well
twater was there for volc, but I doubt I’ll need it with bulky ace and psyshock gking, although l orb sun volc fucks this up lmao

And I’m still unsure whether play is trick, knock, or fblast lol

You’d be surprised on how amazing Heracross wallbreaks though, killing corvi along with the other birds, now chunking dozo with both cc + facade, facade also hitting other checks, and knock for ghold and gen utility

Its speed is annoying though, since it can never sweep without trailblaze, but it’s still pretty good

with rillaboom mitigating burn damage, it does pretty well, even benefitting with trailblaze if you did run that (which I have)

[nocturne sable]

I mean this is just standard balance but with Heracross slapped on it.

FWIW you should probably run Trailblaze on Heracross to boost your speed

Not really sold on band rilla either just make it lo sd

[queen saddle]

what’s fwiw btw? Not sure

[limber spear]

for what its worth

[queen saddle]

Good idea, didn’t rlly think abt that
Although from my experience I did have uturn help get in a lot of mons along with glide carrying me in many endgames

[limber spear]

rilla just sucks locking into hammer and folds to bird i think

[nocturne sable]

Yea fair enough, can just run like boots rilla in that case

[limber spear]

(and it wants to lock into it a lot of the times)

[queen saddle]

I see I see, appreciate both of ur thoughts

[nocturne sable]

Honestly you can drop stone edge

You don’t really need it

[queen saddle]

I was abt to be shocked by that statement, but I do see that now that I use facade

[nocturne sable]

You’re guts you shouldn’t much about moltres or zap

When you can just snipe them with facade

Trailblaze is better it’s boosted power in gterrain and boosts your speed

[queen saddle]

I see I see

Thanks for that really, didn’t expect to get some good thoughts lmao

[sand knoll]

hi, ive been getting basck into competiitive pokemon recently and wanted to retry gen 9 OU, i used to play alot in 2021-2023 when SV came out, i made this team knowing sorta how to build a team in gen 8, https://pokepast.es/41a49dfd8ea543bc tell me how i did

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand knoll]

im now realising i have hail + moonlight

i wqaws thinking ting lu over lando but i wanted speed control

[limber spear]

a bit too greedy with hazard control i think

things like lefties zama and woger prolly want sturdier removal

[sand knoll]

what does sturdier removal mean

js like better defog?

[limber spear]

corv isn’t good as the sole removal

cuz it’s not getting pass dengo

things like tusk >lando ig

u hv good speed control with zama anyways and flyer

[sand knoll]

what does tusk do that lando doesnt, just curious

[limber spear]

spin

and hazard

which u don’t need here so u can get a forth attacking move

oh there also jsut isn’t a ghost resist here as well

[sand knoll]

yea thats why i was considering tinglu

what do u suggest

[limber spear]

prolly works ig

idk about hazard

i prefer sturdy hazard control

[sand knoll]

does tinglu counter (or check i forgot the lingo) dengo?

[limber spear]

yes

besides certain variations like coat or landing focus misses ht it’s one of the best checks there is

[sand knoll]

anything ud add?

im up against this bitch of a stall team

[limber spear]

woger + sight port should do smth i think

[nocturne sable]

Run weather ball on Lando. With chilly reception glowking you can snipe much more like opposing Lando’s, Gliscor, Zapdos, even tusk as well

Removal situation should be fine not much on your team cares about rocks anyway so solo corv can be fine

Actually though you can change the team up a bit.

You kinda need a ghost resist here otherwise you get farmed by dengo

https://pokepast.es/07a6d0bf69662aba something like this

Ace can work as removal here, kingambit is gambit

[sand knoll]

https://pokepast.es/559f0a46d32457ec ive landed on sompething like this but i could try urs

im having alotta sucess with this but maybe thats js low elo

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/e5ba4bffe4d77cbf uh i dont like how there isnt grounded poison and stall mu is quite meh aswell

other than that its p good icl

[proud herald]

https://pokepast.es/304023098e562f53
save me from the weather

[gray karma]

Which weather mainly causes you problem ?

Maybe try smth like Clodsire water absorb it totally walls Barraskewda

With Dondozo in case there is overqwil

[limber spear]

cuz there isnt a good fire and water resist

boots spam without knock absorber+used on offense-ish typa team is weird+where is ground type and hazard

[proud herald]

Sun really
and I can't shutdown rain fast enough but it's still manageable

[proud herald]

psychic fangs

[proud herald]

i got rid of hazards because I made the bet with enough offense it could work. (it kinda did in natdex)
as for knock absorbers, i'm not bringing hydrapple here. so who ?
same for ground type. i'd like one but tusk doesn't cut it.

[limber spear]

boots spams need a knock absorber and r generally for fatter structures thus with hazard as main progress

cuz u aren’t using items to boots dmg

[proud herald]

okay which mons work as knock absorbers then

?

[limber spear]

uh things like

so things that don’t care about their items like scor skarm corv clef

certain ting lu and mola

but boots spam doesn’t rlly work here i suppose

[proud herald]

lowkey offensive scor with sd eq facade ?

would that work ?

[limber spear]

more of an ho /screen set

[proud herald]

i can't escape screens

can glis even set screens

[limber spear]

no

u abuse screens with double dance

prolly jsut go like tusk>kix and get for offense route by freeing some boots and stuff

[proud herald]

who takes dd ?

[limber spear]

what oh scor runs sd and agility

[proud herald]

yeah but then i'm overreliant on removal no ?

[proud herald]

he does ? agility too ?

[limber spear]

offense can be like that and tusk is reliable anyways

u play a shorter game and u don’t rlly free up all boots

just like on deox or meow here

[proud herald]

alright

i'll try that

[jade cedar]

ace is annoying here, any fire type really also waters since your only resist can be muscled through

[proud herald]

i know 😔 that's my issue

[jade cedar]

quick question what formats you're knowledgable about?

[proud herald]

ndou, and randbats are the ones i've been working on really
last time I seriously played svOU was over 6 months ago

[jade cedar]

INTERESTING........god I never been able to pass with randbats

[proud herald]

it's actually gambling, but like controlled
you gotta play every move like it's sucker punch gambit
i don't know if that's clear

but basically, exploiting every information you have (likely ability, likely set, likely immunities) you gotta choose the play that's got the least risk of backfiring
and sometimes it's worth it to lose 4 mons and a half to safely setup the last one and reverse sweep

...kinda like with gambit

but that's just my opinion

[jade cedar]

yeah.... never was fine of relying on luck really, yeah I DO know that ranbats are not completely rng depended butit definitely has the most rng in then other formats

[hollow hornet]

i sent this earlier but any other advice? https://pokepast.es/1a0fc75e64d521c9

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

no poison type and no removal really isnt great for anything offensive

probably wanna try adding one or both of those

[hollow hornet]

alright sorry for how many im sending in but do you think you could take a look at this team as well? I'm having trouble decide between movesets and if some mons just dont belong on the team. thanks a lot https://pokepast.es/f6c687110f42e50a

[quartz stream]

what's the goal of this team? it feels like a weird hybrid os HO and balance

you probably want wish alomomola to keep kyurem alive

since cinder can only clear hazards once and after that kyurem is taking mega hazards damage

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/2f83d9ad7a141d9c

help me

[proud herald]

what is tera ghost for on deo-s ? you still die to knock

[gray karma]

I would recommend Tera Dark/Fighting on ur Deoxys to resist to Knock Off etc

Darkrai might be better with Sludge Bomb over Psyshock even if I can understand who u wanna counter, but since u have Garchomp, Clodsire & Blissey might be less annoying.

And Tera Fire on Garchomp so u don't get that 4x ice from Ice Spinner or Kyurem.

Except that I love the idea of putting HPs on Ceru

[quartz stream]

what do you lose to

tera dragon for SD scale garchomp is a great choice

I've been using sd scale a lot and dragon tera lets you secure kills that were rolls before
but on screens, it might be reasonable to go tera fire for the burn immunity, cuz you can easily set up behind screens

you don't need 30 tera ghosts for spinblocking, you only have 1 stealthrock on your team it's not like you're a hazard stack

[jade cedar]

not specfically to stop knock but to stop opposing spinners

[quartz stream]

ooohhh how scary, they are gonna spin away my hazards (1 stealthrock and maybe 1 layer of toxicspikes), I gotta burn tera on my screens mon

[jade cedar]

but on this team it's unneccesery

[quartz stream]

the team has ceru anyways

which should be fine enough to block a spin

[jade cedar]

I mean on ho hs you'd go ghost right?

[quartz stream]

it's fine, nothing better to do but it's not necessary to have 3 ghosts imo

[jade cedar]

when I said that I just answered there question, didn't even see the team 😭

[proud herald]

i should have thought of it

[scenic sleet]

https://pokepast.es/0f41487b32cf0ad4 made a rain team. thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Zero speed control on this just use a swift swim user with rain

Remove dondozo it’s too slow to abuse rain with a curse set. That fits on more fatter balance/stall teams

[scenic sleet]

i'd like to disagree with you, since dozo gives a lot of leeway for switch ins and pivoting thanks to its bulk.

Also, swift swim only works if rain is up. if pelliper dies or i cant switch them in, or if i cant get, say, a barraskewda in safely, then theres basically no value in having swift swim. Dozo is valuable with or without rain.

but then again, i wouldnt need the bulk if a barraskewda could just ohko everything with choiceband-rain

Idk, both work.

[nocturne sable]

Literally, most of the point of rain is to abuse it with swift swim users, Or at least immediately strong and fast water types, dozo isn’t a fast nor is immediately threatening.

Most successful rain teams structures are basically pelipper+swift swim abuser+iron treads+raging bolt+filler

Unless you’re running some choice band wave crash then dondozo isn’t really worth it on rain

[scenic sleet]

alr then, thanks

sorry for trying to start smth

[nocturne sable]

It’s all good nothing to worry about

Just trying to help 🫡

[nocturne sable]

FWIW though pelipper is also a useful defensive piece on rain, it has decent bulk and can provide slow U-turns which helps frail swift swim users like barra get in safely

A lot of rain teams utilitze that flip turn core with barra & pelipper

[nocturne sable]

Finally had an idea looking at this chomp team.

https://pokepast.es/e2840f9534e9d3a6 this is something I came off with in the builder recently but this can be given a go. Deo lead to set hazards, colbur berry helps against scarf rai. Sableye to block tusk spin and counter espeed dnite and volc. Tspikes moth+roar zama you already know the drill(could probably greed whirlwind as well but I think hitting dragons is nice.)

Garchomp I changed to SD lo outrage. Calcs go crazy when rocks are up.

252 Atk Life Orb Tera Dragon Garchomp Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Dondozo: 224-265 (44.4 - 52.5%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Possible damage amounts: (224, 226, 229, 231, 234, 237, 239, 242, 244, 247, 250, 252, 255, 257, 260, 265)

Lastly I added kingambit as the dark type here because well, gambit is gambit. I though fist plate low kick looked nice here so added it.

[quartz lark]

Yo @nocturne sable what should I build im losing interest in this metagame

[nocturne sable]

Build luxray psychic terrain

[quartz lark]

Bet

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/382f3dc57ca3d4d0

anyone know how to make this t eam better vs dnite

[stone sierra]

You’re missing evs on volc

[quartz stream]

an offense team is never going to have solid switchins for threats

and as quaqrash said, rain teams are basically always gonna be offense

since you have very limited time to abuse rain

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/d4a534a82bf2f08c is iron moth correct here?

[limber spear]

don’t u want some hazard control

[stone sierra]

all i really care about are tspikes

[quartz stream]

dislike that you have almost 0 priority

[stone sierra]

sample has the same amount

[quartz stream]

all offense teams need solid priority and/or fastmon speed control

[stone sierra]

ye my issue is no fast mons

[quartz stream]

this is why new players should avoid using most samples

[stone sierra]

which is why idk about moth

[quartz stream]

if you're a 1100 elo paid actor running a team that's for 1800 elo players, you will die a million times

only use samples that have writeups so you can understand wtf is going on

[stone sierra]

i was thinking ival or np lo deoxys s

but double lo is not great

[quartz stream]

is ghold important?

[stone sierra]

used to run policy crown in his place

[quartz stream]

speedboster crown could be interesting

[stone sierra]

moth to glim and booster crown?

[whole horizon]

Current hazard stack team I've been running.