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[oblique remnant]

Oh true

[quartz stream]

wellspring especially hates taking omega hazards

the 3 main mons on this team are glowking + darkrai and zamazenta right?

[oblique remnant]

ye

Iron defense zama is too clutch and rai is always good so i can’t remove it

[quartz stream]

could totally scrap the ghold and treads for like corvi (for hazard removal, steel type, and great tusk) and a different rocks setter

[oblique remnant]

I guess

I need to get another draco pult switch in if i remove treads

[quartz stream]

something that could happen is woger for rilla, treads for tusk, and ghold for corv

[nocturne sable]

What’s with the channel clogging this team comp looks standard

[quartz stream]

he is having trouble with offense teams it seems

[oblique remnant]

Ok

[quartz stream]

and the team has no hazards

[quartz stream]

anyways try this or smth

[oblique remnant]

Alr

[nocturne sable]

You can make your team something like this, just some ideas https://pokepast.es/bdfe896a718380b3

[static dagger]

ty this team actually looks really cool

[nocturne sable]

Shuca glowking can help with your Problems dealing with headlong rush

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/f6cc674ce35fe7e0

[regal ginkgo]

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[oblique remnant]

Alr thanks

[swift forum]

you probably need a specially defensive guy and something that beats raging bolt so i would go toxic glowking over weezing-g and make ogerpon boots. also having two tera hogs on the team in oger and dragonite is a problem so i would go tera normal espeed on dragonite instead of tera blast, also helps with raging bolt.

you can probably also make ghold some boots set since otherwise it might be too weak to hazards, and if you run boots encore on ogerpon you don't really need trick scarf on ghold and you still have speed control

[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/3a1bfc9c72af457b

I'm running a sun hyper offense team and I need help playing vs a few matchups:
Slowking/Glowking
Sand
Rain
Trickroom

The first three archetypes have been manageable for me, but I feel like trick room is just a loss on team preview. Is there a way I can change that or play around it?

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Priority users like slither wing can help a bit vs trick room. So can offensive Torkoal with eruption

I think you drop iron moth for slither wing

[inner terrace]

this is a pretty standard sun to me

seems decently built

first 2 are always gonna be problematic imo

you should have no problems with rain i think

sun counters rain

[wintry crow]

So it could just be an issue with how I'm playing?

[inner terrace]

tr does fry but also tr kinda fries most offense in general

rain is an issue with playing i think

the other 3 problems are expected

but having things to not make them autolose are definitely possible

like gking you should always have a way to pressure at least

things to hit ttar with or something

are also helpful

tusk helps a lot vs ttar i think

[wintry crow]

Yea I've been able to win a few vs those 2

[inner terrace]

imma be honest

[wintry crow]

But I'm 0-6 vs tr

[inner terrace]

vs any competent tr player you genuinely should have zero way to stop ursaluna from taking 3 kills

if not more

losing to tr isnt really a fault id say it's just what tr does

very fishy playstyle

[wintry crow]

You think I could run tr on hatt?

[inner terrace]

nah dont do that

sun is gonna be a little fishy but generally speaking with sun you should have chances into basically everything aside from tr

dont wanna limit those

[wintry crow]

How do you suggest I play vs rain

[inner terrace]

ok so

generally vs rain

leading wake is nice

or bolt

wake is a very consistent lead i think

the benefit of sun into rain is you can reset weather + you have wake which 4x resists water and also gets boosted in rain either way

so you have sun to reset sometimes when you have a great opportunity to but also wake forces a lot of progress

so does bolt cause you get water weather balls

and draco

or whatever the dragon move is

idk what it is

[wintry crow]

I dropped draco

[nocturne sable]

Yea sun generally has a good Mu vs rain especially with raging bolt and wake

[wintry crow]

For dragon pulse

[inner terrace]

dpulse

dpulse is fine

dpulse vs draco is preference but most teams prefer dpulse i think

[wintry crow]

Oh alr

[inner terrace]

you dont hard counter rain btw but it's supposed to be favorable

there are ways you can lose but it involves getting multiple turns wrong

[wintry crow]

I think my problem was I was looking at it from an offensive perspective

Since I dont have much to hit mons super effectively

[inner terrace]

i mean you have specs draco specs hydro steam

and lorb dpulse/clap

those will pressure through most of the time the only resist treads

[wintry crow]

I dropped draco there too

[inner terrace]

it takes nerves of steel to get the callout on wake correct

[nocturne sable]

The best you can do for trick room is try slither wing to try and chip Ursa with priority and then offensive Torkoal to abuse the trick room but that’s about it. You still have to end up sacking a lot for trick room

[inner terrace]

steam is usually pretty safe

[nocturne sable]

You can also stall out a few turns if you have a cress/tusk or something

[inner terrace]

if you get some turns right with tusk at the beginning it's maybe possible?

like great tusk on healing wish so they cant go ursa

right away

[wintry crow]

Cres walls

[inner terrace]

it's just denying the entry

[wintry crow]

Ohh

[inner terrace]

if they go cress they waste turns

considering most tr teams have 2 expendable setters

[nocturne sable]

^

Cres is a super momentum sink

If they have to go cress you’re doing something right

[wintry crow]

What if they attack my tusk 1st instead of setting room?

[nocturne sable]

I mean

Most of the time they would just double or something

Becuase they obviously don’t want mons like wake coming in for free

Or bolt

[wintry crow]

Common setters are Cres, Hatt, Porygon, and Mimikyu right?

[nocturne sable]

Indeedee also

[wintry crow]

Other than maybe Indeedee

I dont think I can stop them from setting up room

Once tusk goes down

Ursa or Volc run through my team

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea Note for all future post in this channel: Tera blast is banned so things will be a little different

[wintry crow]

Do I drop ninetails for torkoal?

Or does that weaken other matchups

Also what would the slither wing set look like?

[nocturne sable]

Slither wing is usually AV on Sun

There’s a sample set for that

[wintry crow]

Got it

[nocturne sable]

Ninetales is fine on offensive teams like this because it provides encore+healing wish support. Torkoal you usually pair it with hatt when youre running sun

[wintry crow]

So ima be relying on slither wing for tr

[nocturne sable]

Not really slither wing is just a tool you can use

For priority

Your main way of playing trick room in Sun is positioning well to waste turns in Sun

Like pivoting great tusk in safely forcing Ursa to not come out immediately

Or iron hands

It’s annoying to play because it’s inherently a bad match up but it’s possible

[quartz stream]

the best way for offense to beat TR is priority

offense always has a bad matchup against TR though, TR is a matchup fish in the end

[wintry crow]

Is tr bad into balance?

[quartz stream]

slither wing having a strong first impression is helpful, but if a full hp boosted ursaluna is coming at you in TR there is not much you can do

it's worse into balance than it is into offense, bc balance has the ability to stall out the turns more easily + take the hits from the TR attackers

for offense you basically just have to hit them hard every turn at all times, so that their TR setter can't get multiple trick rooms, and their TR sweepers are in range of priority

and then once trick room goes up, you will generally have to take a ton of damage and make sacs until TR Is over

then rinse and repeat trying to kill everything ASAP

[wintry crow]

I tried that but I'm folded instantly by ursaluna after cress or hatt goes down.

Nothing survives a hit after that

[quartz stream]

yea there's not much you can do, especially since they can click Hwish

or slowbro can teleport or whatever

at least you can taunt the non-hatt setters to stall them a bit

[wintry crow]

I dont have taunt

• Porygon hyperbeam does too much 😭

[quartz stream]

porygon2 hyperbeam? that's wild

what kinda mad scientists are you facing

[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/b5111e6fe2bac883

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peak-1-2115-elo-90-gxe-interstellar-trick-room-hyper-beam-porygon.3774489/

[regal ginkgo]

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[wintry crow]

I've faced 6 tr teams so far

Lost 6 times

And this team was 3 of them

[inner terrace]

vs this team just accept the L ngl

[wintry crow]

Might as well atp

[inner terrace]

like as a sun player u can really only do so much vs triple setters two of which dont die and theres a volcanion

[quartz stream]

well this team is getting neutered, tera blast is gone

giant hit to porygon2 in general

[quartz stream]

hah well in that very writeup, there's a TR vs sun game where the sun team almost won

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2322753384-u0gww4c5yk44q9p4303t29p6imxb8dipw

I think preserving comfey there was a mistake and just hitting the ursa on turn 16 woulda won

+4 comfey shoulda left it in range of great tusk and then from there it should be a win

[wintry crow]

Thx ima try using this team

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/a04edccee50d8820

[regal ginkgo]

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[slim kindle]

https://pokepast.es/12e804f8210a747a
Gen 9 doubles OU
Though closer to UU
I always wanted to try oricorio synergy as well as be able to use lilligant so I figured the best way to do that was oricorio sun team
This team only have 5 pokemon because I do not know who fits as the last one
I do really like whimsicott and I think it works pretty well

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @slim kindle, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for Gen 9 doubles OU. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[knotty sundial]

hi this channel is just for singles

for doubles ou go to #1059655497587888158

[slim kindle]

Oh, sorry about that
Didnt see

[knotty sundial]

nw

[umbral bay]

just making a post here so it shows up without me having to manually navigate to it to check in

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/7df1a0d34abccb6c

maybe ghold could be defensive balloon

[tribal berry]

https://pokepast.es/f9535e8ee1b2c98b
wanted my favorite mon on the team but besides that this is just standard webs offense

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/e09552abf2f04c13

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/f5be195adfd7aab1
band weavile stuff

[regal ginkgo]

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[carmine oak]

https://pokepast.es/8f5af5b60761b289

i tried to take cb teal pon in a different direction where instead of dividing and conauering matchups like in sz's sample where he has double psy noise to win matchups cb teal pon can't break through you use mons that break for teal pon

but i literally just built the sample but with np deo s over the av prim

so is this usable or do i just fall over and die vs anything

[modern summit]

what should I change on dnite since tb is banned?

https://pokepast.es/64e763b4cbf12c55

[gray karma]

Use DDance + Extreme Speed it's nice to use also

[modern summit]

Alr

[modern summit]

Ddance espeed eq and roost right? Or encore over roost?

[whole willow]

oof

[gray karma]

Ddance Espeed Ice Spinner and Eq

[modern summit]

Alright thanks

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3bc145b3be01de55

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Raging bolt MU is horrid. I would replace one of Oger/iron crown for iron treads.

https://pokepast.es/e0f4d6996e34774b
something like this

[nocturne sable]

Regular Ekiller dnite should still be fine. Can also go boots dtail on structures like these aswell

[modern summit]

Alr thanks

[nocturne sable]

This is usable kinda. I would probably go jolly low kick gambit here for opposing gambit match ups.

[nocturne sable]

Sole ghost resist being non boots weavile, no bueno. A lot of momentum sinks on your team like clef keld etc.

https://pokepast.es/59828d1585d8ee21 would make the team something like this.

Torn+weavile will offer the needed speed control. Hatt+tusk+ boots on both gking & volc can help with hazard control.

AV Torn helps with switching into shadow ball from gholdengo for example.

Volcanion provides useful water resistance for stuff like woger.

You can also look at Speed booster tusk, maybe double AV with glowking, something like that as alternatives.

[hot forge]

hawk tuah (Hawlucha) @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Limber
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 60 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Acrobatics
• Swords Dance
• Close Combat
• Roost

grass drum man (Rillaboom) @ Life Orb
Ability: Grassy Surge
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Grassy Glide
• Knock Off
• Wood Hammer

garry (Corviknight) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature

• Brave Bird
• Defog
• U-turn
• Roost

dorito man (Garchomp) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe
Impish Nature

• Earthquake
• Dragon Tail
• Stealth Rock
• Spikes

salamance.. (Dragonite) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Extreme Speed
• Earthquake
• Ice Spinner

volcorona man (Iron Moth) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fiery Dance
• Sludge Wave
• Dazzling Gleam
• Substitute

[knotty sundial]

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[regal ginkgo]

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[hot forge]

oh my bad

https://psim.us/t/1715479-4kkarbmmhb2tq2e4rg3m

like that

[quartz stream]

this team seems strange, you got super explosive offensive threats in hawlucha and iron moth, which can only work once and try to win the whole game

then you got a huge momentum sink in a no uturn corviknight, what's corv doing on HO

[dark slate]

https://pokepast.es/28f5cd8cc302f7dd

[regal ginkgo]

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[dark slate]

I found my team really sick, change my mind

[quartz stream]

what is this meant to be, sun bulky balance?

anyways as we said in compgen, volt switch will be a problem, also the team is entirely reliant on walking wake so be careful with it

no fighting resist can be fine because of corv and alomomola being both physically defensive to hopefully stop something like a SD iron valiant or a zamazenta

[hot forge]

what should i replace corvb with

[whole willow]

anything that appreciates grassy terrain if that's what you aim for

[hot forge]

okay

[whole willow]

i think a grassy seed latias would be fun

[gritty lake]

how do i actually break through teams with this tho

[paper heart]

https://pokepast.es/718b9bac4811662c eleki with stormzone's grasspon prim glowking breaking core

idk what to do abt tusk or kyu and i dont think eleki has the support it needs to keep hazards off effectively

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

av gking w/ 0 spatk is crazy

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/db5e3a6b0a78bed0 wasnt sure what i was doing with this

but rilla hatt will try to deal with those grounds coming in

prolly can free up boots for magnet here? on eleki and then espeed cuz theres no other good move , 96timid for max speed deox

[paper heart]

id love to give it spatk but it needs the bulk 😭

it can tank a +1 eq from dnite

[limber crystal]

just use a different mon atp

You’re doing too much

[paper heart]

yea idk what to do

i need glowking so bad

[nocturne sable]

Hazard stack bro

[gritty lake]

just hazard stack is not enough without any hard hitters

[nocturne sable]

Not enough as into what type of style

Stall MU should be fine

Knock wisp rai is crippling most of stall teams

[round portal]

👀

[frigid fossil]

Hi! can anyone rate my hazard stack team? https://pokepast.es/a1c8af7b4290836c

[woeful bone]

https://pokepast.es/340f5068acc930dc

is it okay to have two parting shot users?

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/261062d88c5e39af
pretty solid
having issues with specs pult tho

[inner terrace]

it could probably do things but it's gonna be passive by nature i feel

there isnt really a good speed control but maybe it works

[inner terrace]

i think incin and thund arent that good rn

i think with a team like this maybe plot pech and run other setup mons instead of incin and thund

one of these setup mons should also be on the faster end

[inner terrace]

team looks fine-ish, if you have problems with pult then maybe try lefties tinka

also either run twave on zapdos or run discharge cane uturn

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/ee9cab4cedaf16b3 this feels generic but also somehow bad

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade cedar]

thinking of bolt on ghold to snipe the birds

[whole willow]

any particular reason

[nocturne sable]

Usually you would see Heat wave on more offensive Zapdos

Because offensive Zapdos can actually 2hko steels with heat wave like iron treads for example

But defensive Zapdos would rather utilize spreading para when it can. Thunder wave is ran with volt switch hurricane roost

If you’re running U-turn you can run discharge for para fishing

[inner terrace]

zapdos is a para mon

benefits from all the para spreading/procs

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/84b144f6a243ad9e

I don't like having 2 ground types tht r both defensive, I've noticed tht I rlyy struggle against meowscarada. Is there anyway I can replace tusk without having to use boots spam? Also is knock needed on darkrai since I've got knock on gliscor and ival

[whole willow]

ight then

[nocturne sable]

Ting Lu is the ideal ground on structures like these

You can also try zama if you’re struggling with meow

[lucid onyx]

Instead of what though? Gliscor?

[dark slate]

Can someone improve my team ?

https://pokepast.es/d4d9ffc4398978d7

[regal ginkgo]

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[dark slate]

i need a pokemon good against kingambit and strong against stall

[gray karma]

Against stall I like to use smth like Hoopa Unbound

And against Kingambit u can use Great Tusk

Use the assault vest moveset of hoopa unbound

[tribal berry]

I’d say like

Yeah i’d say use great tusk with knock off

Or maybe iron moth

Both r really good offensively

[sacred spruce]

https://pokepast.es/2463cdb9424a4b0b
https://pokepast.es/6e8cd40fb66a088d

What can I improve in Team A and Team B? Thank you in advance.

[undone crane]

https://pokepast.es/56f0396c8714d7e4

https://pokepast.es/26eabed4ec4bf269

how could i improve both teams

the first one is an orb greninja with sd rillaboom while the second one has specs gren and band rillaboom

thank you!

[tribal berry]

https://pokepast.es/63cdded2440c787a need a sixth mon and suggestions for my current set

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

the feraligatr set is bad

if ur using gatr on webs, may as well use swords dance

drop breaking swipe it's useless

booster iron moth should not have uturn

try substitute or a 4th coverage

for the last mon, you want another webs abuser, since you have tusk for hazards removal, try ceruledge (focus sash perhaps), which also helps a bit with spinblocking and is good for abusing

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/034e8197b55b48bd

[regal ginkgo]

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[prime tendon]

Idk if I created some bs or something decent
https://pokepast.es/51d84514002091fa

[tribal berry]

Aight ty

[tribal berry]

Breaking swipe was for dragon coverage since sheer force + orb boosts it to 100 something base power

[gray karma]

I don't get why u want to use tusk & Dondozo on a trick room team

[gray karma]

Maybe try Knock Off over Play Rough on Ogerpon Cornerstone if ur scared of Dragapult

Jolly gambit idk if it works I mainly prefer adamant but if ur ok with it and if it works then ok

And that chomp moveset makes me perplex

[nocturne sable]

Feel like this comp is pretty standard.

One small thing I would do is go Tera steel hatt over water since resisting ice and fairy is more appreciated here. You already have Tera fire roar zama in the worst case scenario so I think Iron Moth mu should be fine

[nocturne sable]

If you remove the random defensive great tusk and add another trick room setter this is actually a standard Tr comp

Also order up dozo is a move more used in doubles than singles

The sets in general aren’t really optimized

You want min speed on your abusers to outspeed other pokemon under trick room

Sub focus punch iron hands is also an unviable set, mainly because you’re walled by pecha anyways and CC is a more consistently strong fighting stab move anyways

[prime tendon]

Okay thanks for the help

[raw laurel]

https://pokepast.es/0d85c34b829897a6

Lokix and Dragonite must be kept but that is all. I'd like some advice

[regal ginkgo]

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[wintry crow]

https://pokepast.es/990d37078424b68e

Made this grassy terrain team and wanted opinions on it. I've barely tested it out and don't see any unwinnable matchups yet, but it was quickly put together so I doubt it's too solid. If there is a bad matchup what should I change?

[nocturne sable]

Make tusk attack booster 3 attacks rapid spin.

Ghold and moth are fine here.

General rule of thumb for these types or archetypes is that you want at least a few tools that are good into stall. Feraligatr set is garbage, at this point I would rather just run gyrados or haxorus instead. At least those guys can help improve the stall match up. I guess if you want to run Feraligatr DD liquidation is the way to go instead. Ice punch & crunch can be fine as coverage.

Honestly for the last slot I can see black glasses kingambit working. It’s strong enough to break through fat like stall for example. Feraligatr chipping down shared checks also helps it aswell.

Oh btw change that iron moth moveset. Should be fiery dance energy ball sludge wave then your choice as last move should be extra coverage like dazzling gleam/psychic/discharge or sub

[nocturne sable]

Generally you should test teams out before asking for rates

[wintry crow]

I've tested it a bit since then and every match has seemed playable so far. But that could just be because im in low elo.

Hitting fairy is a bit of an issue, but not too many fairy types to worry abt + most have second typing.

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/ed2a5e8697e48460
hoodra being the only spdef mon is giving some issues

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

idt theres really a good way to disconnect mola here which is kinda the odd one out in this case

hmm

tera grass zapdos

[whole willow]

i have another version with kanto slowking but that's def worse

[final relic]

gking>goodra

then mola can be something else

[whole willow]

av or boots?

[final relic]

av samu looks decent in that slot

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/a8057f9da72de286
so like this?

[final relic]

looks good but i just noticed the arcanine set

definitely want cc > double edge

and tera rock

[whole willow]

i prefer tera normal
espeed hits hard
and i have trust issues with head smash

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/71f55f714dbed90f

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/cd7c9a238669f2e1

@nocturne sable I've done the changes u suggested. Is this fine now?

[nocturne sable]

Tera ghost Lu>water

Dtail>fire punch on dnite

[lucid onyx]

I've also got 5 fairy weaknesses is there anyway to fix tht?

[quartz stream]

+1 neutral liquidation hits harder than unboosted supereffective breaking swipe, there's no point in dropping DD or SD for breaking swipe

[quartz stream]

if you don't want to make major structural changes, you might need to go tera poison sludge bomb on rai and ig move tera ghost to val

scarf enam is an absolute nightmare either way but with dnite espeed, booster val, and burning tera you can at least handle it

[tribal berry]

Fairs

I already gave gatr D dance anyway

[lucid onyx]

Alr ty, what if I am fine with making structural changes?

[quartz stream]

well atp you would have to delete half the team and start over, identify the 2-4 mons you want to build around and then toss everything else

having 5 fairy weaknesses is a problem that started several additions ago, and you can't just fix it by changing 1 mon without breaking other parts of the team

[lucid onyx]

Then I'll start over with dhengo and lu

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/e78153928cf256b0
Para Spam Banded Tar Team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Has been pretty consistent

[inner terrace]

looks honestly fine

run ada exca

only benchmarks you miss out on are boulder and scarf rai

and +1 ada pult but nobody running dd pult without tera blast

[queen saddle]

I feel a little more easy knowing I can outspeed Tusk w out sand
But will try out fosho

[inner terrace]

oh that

if you have zapdos you should be fine imo

[queen saddle]

Fair point
Zap and Clef usually handle it nicely

[inner terrace]

yeah

hows the pon mu

[queen saddle]

Man
Tyranitar is so fun to click banded stone edge lmao, sand def my favorite weather

[queen saddle]

It’s alright
A para is usually enough for Tar but if not t grass Zapdos 1v1’s

[inner terrace]

should be a playable mu i think you have twave clef, zap, zama

yeah

[queen saddle]

Kyurem has been iffy but honestly fine
Subtect is easy with Clef and only set that’s BAD is specs

But also very playable

bc tar is there, clef, av alo w tfairy

It’s a fine matchup w good play

[dark slate]

https://pokepast.es/be09f4a2089e5c01

can someone tell me what wrong with my team

i have struggle to fight some special user and ogerpon water

[round portal]

firstly, for spike stack u want a spin blocker

like a ghost type

or in sm rare cases a mon that u really wanna tera ghost like lu

although lu wouldnt really work here

[dark slate]

who is lu

[round portal]

ting lu

occasionally ting lu tera ghosts as the spin blocker

[dark slate]

why should i knee ting lu

[round portal]

but usually guys like pech/ghold are better

[dark slate]

need

i don’t have ting lu on my team

[round portal]

ya ik

[dark slate]

i have a Hgoodra

[round portal]

point being, hstack is hard without a ghost type

[dark slate]

why should i need ting lu and who should i replace ?

[round portal]

maybe leki can be replaced with a pech

should help with woger mu

and keep hazards on

[dark slate]

in need a Volt switch user to beat stall

[round portal]

leki doesnt beat stall tho

they'll just switch gliscor vs leki

[dark slate]

it can 2kho slowkingH and he help to switch

i have flip turn alo

to beat Gliscor and low his protect pp

[round portal]

flip alo doesnt beat gliscor...

it gets a toxic off

[queen saddle]

Edgaff, are you new to SVOU?

If so, I HIGHLY recommend running a sample

[dark slate]

not at all

[round portal]

but u know flip turn alo does like 20% to gliscor

it literally out heals it

[queen saddle]

Yeah

A volt switch user to beat stall..

?

[dark slate]

regie spin permit a good placement for Goodra

[round portal]

u have wish alo to get in goodra tho

you could make torn a breaker probably

[queen saddle]

Tornt here just makes

no sense

if Im being real

[dark slate]

not enough and Hatterene and Slowking can just remove heal

[queen saddle]

Can’t we just use a Pech

[dark slate]

who is tornt

[queen saddle]

Then why are we using Goodra

[queen saddle]

Tornadus Therian…

[dark slate]

Good special wall

[queen saddle]

Just like ting lu and other mons

[dark slate]

the team is based on him

[queen saddle]

It’s not a wall really if it lacks

recovery

HGoodra is used on more offensive teams no?

[gray karma]

Ur EVs and moveset are wrong

Playing around Tornadus Therian might be nice for u imo

[dark slate]

i can remove heavy boots, move special user with dragonite tail, kcounter every fairy type and more

better than Slowking

[queen saddle]

Counter every fairy type when my name is Iron Valiant

[dark slate]

well of course it is the only exception

[round portal]

goodra also cant use lifedew with av :P

[dark slate]

replaced

[queen saddle]

Wait a minute what the hell

Why is Leki max hp

What are we doing

[dark slate]

which ev ?

[queen saddle]

Edgaff, I highly recommend using a sample team

[dark slate]

why should max more speed ?

[gray karma]

of most of ur pokemon if not all 😭

[round portal]

heres an edit of ur team that i concoted in like 5 min :P https://pokepast.es/f0b6e069cd301f98

[queen saddle]

Max speed or at the bare minimum 248+ outspeeds iron valiant booster
and also like you don’t even outspeed deo S with this

[queen saddle]

This version looks a lot better, although lacking speed control

Alo should be phys def

[round portal]

oh i forgot to change the evs :P

[queen saddle]

Yg

[dark slate]

What i do against Ogerpon water ?

[round portal]

u got goodra

[dark slate]

not made for

[round portal]

as long as its not super power for sm reason u can eat hits

or u got torn t and kyu

[queen saddle]

Agreed

You have a lot of answers

[round portal]

ok ya my team prob coulda been a bit more optimized but u get the gist

[gray karma]

Torna-T outspeed idr if it's max speed or no

I few more assault vest moveset or nasty plot for my part

[wintry crow]

What improvements can I make to this team? (pokemon, movesets, tera types)

https://pokepast.es/b273e4138c7ae805

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[round portal]

i feel like zama is a really hard matchup if it tera's

maybe encore/taunt lucha or seed comfey can easy it a little

kyu also clicks for free

vs this

maybe coger could br a kyu of ur own

like av kyu

[wintry crow]

Nah I def see that, but is it alright if you tell me which teras look bad?

[round portal]

like fire/steel was my first thought

[wintry crow]

I think pon, tusk, and tera heatran can cover fire, then same mons + lucha could handle steel.

[round portal]

but it just saves tera for comfey

[wintry crow]

Not lucha?

[round portal]

that too

but when it teras on them it can idef to +5 pretty free

[wintry crow]

Yea i see that now

[wintry crow]

Wait how does it enter on comfey? It doesnt really hit comfey hard in return.

[round portal]

comfey cant do anything back either

+3 88 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Comfey: 142-168 (46.4 - 54.9%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO

[wintry crow]

If it's tera steel I can get a +2 stored power hit in and tera ghost heatran to kill.

[round portal]

encore lucha would make this so much easier :P

kyu is also an issue like i said tho

[wintry crow]

Ikik

[wintry crow]

Yea it's a lot less complicated, but I like throat chop cuz of the coverage it gets.

Helps a lot with gholdengo, pecharunt, and glowking.

[round portal]

fair enough

[wintry crow]

Mb if I sound ignorant

[round portal]

nono its alg

[wintry crow]

The kyurem problem is a really big issue.

Wait which version of kyurem

[round portal]

most sets

lefties

av

[wintry crow]

Sub protect?

[round portal]

ye

[wintry crow]

I mean I kinda see what you mean

Is it alright if you explain it to me?

[round portal]

u dont really have a switch in

[wintry crow]

Only things it would stay in on are tusk and rillaboom tho right?

[round portal]

it can come in on heatran

[wintry crow]

Tera ghost beats both those sets

Unless it fishes for miss with sub

[round portal]

u dont wanna burn tera to basically trade 1 for one

[wintry crow]

Yea you're right

What would you suggest I do?

[wintry crow]

Could I replace heatran with wisp dragapult?

[round portal]

prob actually ye

and then make sm1 else ur steel type

kyurem of ur own could work well with ur mons rn i think asw

[wintry crow]

Which set

[round portal]

i honestly think av sounds pretty good

lets u beat lefties kyu

[wintry crow]

What abt zama

[round portal]

u got wisp pult

now

[round portal]

lefties of ur own could work asw

[wintry crow]

So would this be good?

https://pokepast.es/9551db8750e2b974

[ivory crater]

https://pokepast.es/d6334871560cc6cf

built this team in 5 minutes

any tips

also removing hoopa unbound is not going to happen

its so fun

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

wake is always very difficult to deal with, I think you have the tools to outplay it with TTar's sand + excadrill though
if you want, you can try tera water garg, or maybe hydrapple swapped for glowking

same for other things you are weak to, like iron valiant

I'm not the biggest fan of air balloon on this bulky team, since that item can only work once and you will need to use excadrill many times throughout the game to pressure fast mons as speed control, and also sometimes to remove hazards aka against ghold, etc

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/cfcd997065d457e6 having issues w/ opp gambits

[quartz stream]

interesting hyperoffense build

you could try swords dance over uturn on rilla

[quartz stream]

specs iron crown vs this team

tusk can only booster speed once and then after that you're on your own

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/bd7e02e6ed32c7a8

[queen saddle]

I think you could just do low kick over iron head

Team looks fine if I’m real just maybe a simple moveset change is what’s needed

Tbh I actually like lum iron head sucker low kick gambit here

It does a little better against gweezing stall

But again, not sure

Only other thing I got is subchomp if you want to beat Gambit

[left needle]

https://pokepast.es/79cc19843765d072
First time doing competitive but i really love my team (especially Chimecho)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[left needle]

Yeah ignore the names i decided by myself

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @hearty shoal, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[wintry crow]

Yk what item I should run on pult?

Debating between spell tag and wide lens.

[wintry crow]

Nvm I'm not finding success with pult

[queen saddle]

This team isn’t really viable unfortunately, and I’d recommend a sample if you’re new to the game
However, since you do love Chimeco, I’d recommend you play Champions OU and learn how to teambuild there.

[cedar jay]

https://pokepast.es/eb1d8b98e002d771

got a bit creative with this

[whole willow]

https://pokepast.es/46bc892fb225cb5c
last slot still kinda indecisive

[slow terrace]

Be honest, how can i improve this team and how likely is it that it will be good (DOU S/V):https://pokepast.es/8aab02f584f4d606

its my first time teambuilding and i'd love some advice

[topaz pivot]

I'd probably replace surf on clodsire with earthquake or recover

[slow terrace]

what should i do about ground types because i run into a lot of landorus so i thought it would be good to have some coverage for ground types.

[topaz pivot]

also helping hand does nothing in singles

hatterene does get giga drain

and haxorus gets trailblaze so you could potentially run swords dance + trailblaze over dragon dance

[slow terrace]

not singles sorry i forgot to mention its doubles

[slow terrace]

thats a good idea

[topaz pivot]

oh

[topaz pivot]

you don't have much speed control or a way to deal with fake out

[slow terrace]

thats true i was considering doing tera ghost on ursaluna

[topaz pivot]

give hatterene trick room, it can't be taunted and is really slow

covert cloak to block fake out?

[slow terrace]

i think im gonna replace psyshock with TR and add covert cloak

[summer jackal]

is Kyogre with life orb, water tera good?

or maybe choice specs

I dunno

[slow terrace]

do you have a team paste and also it depends what format

[summer jackal]

OU

[slow terrace]

oh yeah i forget where i am

[summer jackal]

with Tornadus tailwind btw

[slow terrace]

is ogrepon always a male?

or a female whichever rivalry is

[topaz pivot]

ogerpon is all female

[slow terrace]

noted

[queen saddle]

This is the wrong channel for DOU

[slow terrace]

i wasnt aware there was a doubles channel

[queen saddle]

Think this goes in Other, idk

Just know this channel is for svou singles

[topaz pivot]

wait are you playing DOU or VGC?

[queen saddle]

Not the channel to discuss this

[floral burrow]

https://pokepast.es/f87165881806032a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[floral burrow]

getting back into the tier, any advice?

i do feel weak to tusk and gliscor

and no water resist is really rough

the ttar hatt lando ghold core feels really good tho

[thorn cloud]

I can suggest using AV Kyurem, I'm not really the best at this, but it looks like it can deal with your problems against Gliscor and Tusk, along with being a water resist.

[viral estuary]

https://pokepast.es/81ece5939faaa818
getting back into the tier after 1 year of not playing
reached my all time peak of 1600 with this
i feel like this team gets 6-0'd by maus; idrk what tera water on mandibuzz is for tbh, could swap it to tera ghost?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viral estuary]

this team also does really well into stall

defensive evs on thundurus-t are pretty much random i havent gotten around to testing calcs and stuff, but the speed ev is to outspeed hisuian goodra and sinistcha mostly

not sure how i feel with dragon claw on ceruledge, but its my answer to standard eq espeed dnite

this team feels weak against sd chomp from my battles

[tacit bluff]

This feels a bit gimmicky

Like ting lu lowkey sits in front of this team for free

And raging bolt feels hard to deal with safely without losing a ton of resources

[viral estuary]

honestly yeah bolt is a problem

[tacit bluff]

Ig scizor threatens ting lu that's it

Volcanion is a fake check with that ev spread

Doesn't help that yk

Weak to eq

[viral estuary]

hmm thank you

ill think about what i can do to salvage this team against bolt and lu

if its even possible

[tacit bluff]

You could but also 4 of the mons on this team aren't even ranked ou which definitely doesn't help

Not that they're unviable, all 6 have a niche but lower tier mons have to be used deliberately if you get me

[thorn cloud]

https://pokepast.es/af267a0da332724d

This team is something. Idk what, but maybe some other people's input can help.

[tacit bluff]

You need to really know when they're good

The evs are also a lil wonky

[tacit bluff]

This is fine, I think I prefer scarfrai over hydreigon cause it also benefits from grassy terrain and can threaten iron valiant asw who isn't a bad mu for this team persay but is still nice

[thorn cloud]

I needed a ground immunity

[tacit bluff]

Eh fair

I think it's slightly less relevant when you have g terrain support

It's not bad here either

Just not the biggest dreigon fan

[thorn cloud]

I just really don't like not having a ground immune switch in

[tacit bluff]

Yeah understandable

Scarf latias is a potential option asw in that case

Sorry latios

[thorn cloud]

That's the initial version of the team

I got smoked by a team with more than 1 Ghost type and realised. I kinda need a ghost resist

[tacit bluff]

Hmm fair

Is there any problematic mu in particular

[thorn cloud]

Nothing really?

[tacit bluff]

If dreigon covers for the guys it needs to it's probably fine here

Zamazenta seems a bit scary

Ngl

[thorn cloud]

It really is lol.

But I have dealt with them, as long as I use Slowking well. I usually beat em quick

[tacit bluff]

If only lando kept defog it would be so good over great tusk here

</3

[thorn cloud]

It genuinely would

[tacit bluff]

Corviknight is an option too ig but idk how I feel about it

[thorn cloud]

Rillaboom needs hazards to break unfortunately

Corv ain't a great option

[tacit bluff]

Yeah it's a bit

Passive ig

Luckily it doesn't share weaknesses with heatran despite both being steels

[thorn cloud]

Yeah

[tacit bluff]

Just tryna see if there's a way we could fit a sturdier Zamazenta answer without compromising the ghost mu

[thorn cloud]

I hope corv gets stealth Rock next gen

[tacit bluff]

The one thing I can think of is pecharunt over slowking

Idl that much tho

[thorn cloud]

Interesting. I haven't considered that.

[tacit bluff]

Special wall is nice

You could try it

Fighting immunity is nice and it takes crunch far better

[thorn cloud]

Time to make copy of copy of copy of untitled 60 lol

[tacit bluff]

Plus adds a spinblocker

[thorn cloud]

True

[tacit bluff]

Just makes you a bit less sturdy against special attackers which is smth you have to keep in mind

[thorn cloud]

Yeah.

[tacit bluff]

Spdef heatran can help you in a pinch so it's not the worst thing

[thorn cloud]

It has multiple times

[tacit bluff]

In that case try pecharunt

[thorn cloud]

Yeah

Mix defensive?

[tacit bluff]

Annoying little shit but it's good

[thorn cloud]

True

[tacit bluff]

Bold is good yeah

[thorn cloud]

Bold nature or both is good?

[tacit bluff]

You can go the faster set if you wanna outspeed great tusk but that's up to you

[thorn cloud]

I like those sets

[tacit bluff]

There's uhhh

Pecharunt @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Timid Nature

• Malignant Chain
• Foul Play
• Parting Shot
• Recover

Or

Pecharunt @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Bold Nature

• Malignant Chain
• Foul Play
• Parting Shot
• Recover

It's personal preference sometimes

I think both are good here

I like bold more

The moves are also customisable

Shadow ball over foul play is fine

[thorn cloud]

I prefer shadowball tbh

[tacit bluff]

I agree

Gives you better lines into the big ghold

Who is already lowk not an issue

But alsp hydreigon is there

So you might as well have ghost stab

Mixed iron valiant can be a lil worrying here but rillaboom also threatens to send it to the ether

You can defo play around it

Sometimes there's just a mon who is gonna be annoying for your team

No such thing as 0 bad matchups

At long as its not unwinnable and it's not the most common

If it proves to be rly insufferable you can go tera poison dreigon

[carmine oak]

https://pokepast.es/1b272e07b73f72b4

is lokix torn hatt possible

i enjoyed using kix so once i saw people using torn hatt double removal i tried to make lokix work on it

any improvements that could be made

[dark slate]

https://pokepast.es/b1d24894153ec985

can someone tell me what pokemon should i add

[quartz stream]

you probably want something that's good into enemy offense

depends on what you struggle with when you test it, personally I like running band scizor for its uturn and strong bullet punch that beats like val

[gray karma]

this seems better than ur first try imo u progress it's nice

Maybe put Flying Teracrystal on ur G-Weezing and Toxic or Gliscor

[quartz stream]

the first try was the sun team right? That one had promise but was a bit confused

[gray karma]

He tried a team with Tornadus therian and all but he struggled a little with team build EV and all since I think he's new

[quartz stream]

oh, I remember I saw he made a team earlier, which felt like this one but had a random torkoal + walking wake that felt out of place

[quartz stream]

if you still want to use walking wake, it would not be too bad here, just be careful of setup sweepers since you won't be able to priority them at all

[gray karma]

Oh

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/28f5cd8cc302f7dd

it was this, complaint was volt switch was unbeatable since there was no ground type

team has come a long way since then

[quartz stream]

have you played against a kyurem yet?

I assume that's what tera ice on glowking is for?

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/2faa0a3f419a3178

[quartz stream]

tera bug is real

[jade cedar]

to be honest I think you can make zama a boots pult, provides speed control while also using the status spam style you have for good hex damage but zama should be fine to if you're afraid of gambit

also gives you actual special pressure which to be fair you have practically barely any of it

woger looks a bit annoying but tera grass zap should make is doable

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/373d89e1b7c87b97 worried about zama and dnite

[jade cedar]

actually would twave put sound overkill 😭

[gritty lake]

@nocturne sable

[raw laurel]

https://pokepast.es/4cbeb08d8b4b7b93

Glowing + kyurem is my breaking core
Lokix is the priority spammer
Corv is the physical pivot
Great tusk is hazard removal and rocks setter.
Samurott is lead and spikes setter

Is this team good?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Standard imo but use standard sets too

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/aca0cb97109c0bee

Not totally finished, but hey it got me to the 1700s, not bad

[queen saddle]

I think all you need is tusk over lando

[swift pumice]

Do go on

[queen saddle]

I mean defog is inconsistent and not really good to have on a team

well

lemme rephrase that

defog is not good alone

bc of ghold

unless ur gweezing

Tusk gives spin and rocks

along with stone edge if you still want it

and ice spinner w t ice if you wanna make it go well with snow

Pretty much the same thing as lando while giving you better hazard removal

permitting kyurem to do its thing

you could use helmet even

Although you might want some speed control

Maybe over Bolt

I like Zama but not too sure here

But yeah

@swift pumice js lyk my thoughts, apologies if pings r annoying

[swift pumice]

All pretty reasonable, I do think lando needs the road. Just kinda at an awkward spot where I mostly have to change a few things at a time, if I drop bolt I'd need a new priority mon as well as something that comes in on the birds

Lando will be fired though

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/adce24475800b006

Any thoughts on what could be improved? I think that the team has all it’s bases covered at least

[hushed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/a722f3fa24971ccc i previously sent this team here and was suggested to switch raging bolt for tera fairy dnite

now that tera is banned what should be the move

also i really dont like glimmora in this team

it feels turbo useless

is there anything that can replace it

[quartz stream]

team has no ghost resist

aside from 1 tera dark rilla

so you could try to replace glimm with hamurott

can ceaseless edge, or if you need it defensively you can preserve it and use it for priority and to beat a ceru or whatever

[carmine oak]

yeah

[worn socket]

https://pokepast.es/0efda132fad77dc1
i see that this team is missing alot of things, like real priority and ground immune among other things but its kind of built to trade 1 by 1

[regal ginkgo]

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[worn socket]

but, booster speed tusk and gambit are really hard to answer

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/ac5ad745750be435

kinda wanna focus on raging bolt

[heavy dome]

im trying a new strat - priority only

https://pokepast.es/212cd5b4fcc33e52

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

never made a sun team before, would appreciate feedback, team struggles with a decent number of threats, but zamazenta and dnite are especially bad ones I remember
https://pokepast.es/560ff78e0c03bed8

[gray karma]

i'm literally washed with suns but I would put timid over naive on walking wake

And probably smth like a Corviknight bcz ur team is kinda weak against valiant if I don't count volca since u need to keep the most u can ur Ninetales

Also wot is that item on tusk

It's first time I see it 😭

[quartz stream]

oh right, it was timid because I was running a troll aqua jet, I'll fix that

[quartz stream]

x1.2 groudn type damage

tusk set is designed around smack down + headlong rush

among other things it absolutely smashes stall, the tusk 2hkos dondozo and you can beat gliscor 1v1

you also cook a corviknight switching in on a smack down, it either dies or a teammate dies or nearly dies

first 4 mons are basically locks I think, ninetales, wake, volcarona, tusk are the main body of the team, trying to optimize the last 2 slots

[round portal]

wait whats soft sand tusk for

i really like the temper flare av set on sun

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/cb942b53ac04d7a7

I dunno if it’s alright to send this, since Volcarona is being suspect tested still.
I believe this is a really strong core from testing offensively, and this Sinistcha is a mon I wanted to test out with this set, due to great typing and whatnot.

And covert cloak specifically to beat Garg, very cool set

[quartz stream]

just testing it out

I found temper flare disappointing since it barely even hits anything

basically like rillaboom and maybe the occasional serp or chesnaught

the one attack I really would have wanted was ice spinner and ice spinner only

to hit gliscor, dnite, hydrapple, rilla and clearing its terrain, etc

[round portal]

i really like blowing up corvi

although ig cc does the same

[queen saddle]

CC does more damage than super effective temper flare unless ur under sun and used headlong into corvi

[quartz stream]

smack down also works similarly

forces it out and something else has to get smashed

or the corv just dies

[round portal]

i thought temper double only works for failed moves and not misses/immunes

[quartz stream]

na it works even if you hit into protect

[round portal]

oh wait what

[quartz stream]

there was one meme tech where amoonguss could stomping tantrum a gholdengo that came in to block its spore

and it could oneshot

[round portal]

😭

ngl i kinda wanted to try protective pads tusk in sun

[quartz stream]

try punching glove tusk

that was the original thought behind this set

smack down is noncontact

and headlong is a punching move so you could blow up moltres, zapdps, garchomp, rockyhelmet, etc

[round portal]

wait headlong is punch

thats lowk tuff

[quartz stream]

doesn't work on rapid spin though so you would need rocks

[quartz stream]

yea it's a reference to sumo wrestlers

[round portal]

alr im switching up tusk sets this instant 😭

[quartz stream]

at the start of the match they like charge at each other

and whoever falls loses

I saw hariyama and pangoro got headlong and was tripping lmao, but thatywhy

[quartz stream]

🔥

[round portal]

ngl i also really like av wake sun 😭

was spamming this edit of the sample https://pokepast.es/87c1e1ad2fcdca4f

[quartz stream]

av wake is nice yeah

having flip turn is giant

personally Im never switching off of specs though

[round portal]

im a bot and i always end up clicking water move into oger 😭

[quartz stream]

we dropping the dracos on the forehead of woger

inb4 "The opposing Ogerpon avoided the attack!"

[round portal]

nah guys whos ready for hurricane in sun to snipe oger 😭

[carmine oak]

thoughts on this

https://pokepast.es/e713de265646dee4

[regal ginkgo]

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[tawdry locust]

[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/3f282f0c1a0f3544 any recommendations

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/0ebcc286c6776004
Hey! Wanted to test out a set with Sub SD Drill
Made this set as to counter forms of priority and truly sweep, however this set lacks hazard control, so wanted to use Gweezing with this. Gweezing is good against Ogerpon, so due to this, I built with Rotom-W and Tornt. However, I do spot issues, like Pult feels like it could be something else, although I need reliable speed control and a ghost. I’ve considered Pecharunt and Zamazenta, but I’m unsure. Thoughts?

[queen saddle]

Looks fine ish but 3 fighting types is very excessive

I’d replace za since you already have a fighting sweeper and breaker

Which actually

Tusk could be booster a cc

Otherwise Corvi is walling you

[atomic mango]

i was running head smash for molt

[queen saddle]

and psy noise should be ran over stored power

[atomic mango]

im running grassy seed stored power

[queen saddle]

Improves stall mu and gives hatt more general utility

Well

I forgot Hatt can’t be phased out

Hm alr

should work then

I’d do psy noise but I see it working

I’d find someone else over Za and making Tusk booster a

and it should work out

[queen saddle]

Don’t like the gliscor mu against this
Mainly stall

gliscor

Because it absorbs every knock off and uses knock as well

and if it has eq clef is not enjoying the 1v1

[atomic mango]

i havent actually fought anything other than offense recently so ill see how stall goes when i fight it

[queen saddle]

I like the rest of the bulk on your team so just make Ghold offensive nasty plot

with psyshock to beat walls

Ice fang Za is nice too

You don’t need to hit Moltres with hazard stack and knock

[queen saddle]

Random Rilla on HO

Use SD Rilla at least or Glide on Oger

other than that its fine

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/9e5f27ef9cc5af3a

use to run thunderus-t with t bolt and tera blast ice for boltbeam and knock off to support the hazard core, but now it’s ban. What should i replace thunderus with? Should i also change anything else?

[queen saddle]

PS- Updated Paste

https://pokepast.es/17189bf29309986a

[limber spear]

u need woger check prolly

also

missing evs

on zama

and tera on dengo

[empty sand]

Oops

[tawdry locust]

https://pokepast.es/32d3d2f2ce574c2e i was told to make a kyurem team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[outer galleon]

Oricorio-Sensu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Dancer
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 56 HP / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Revelation Dance
• Roost
• Defog

Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ice Spinner
• Stealth Rock
• Headlong Rush
• Rapid Spin

Kingambit @ Air Balloon
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Kowtow Cleave
• Swords Dance
• Low Kick

Regieleki @ Air Balloon
Ability: Transistor
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Electro Ball
• Rapid Spin
• Volt Switch
• Thunder Wave

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tail Glow
• Scald
• Alluring Voice
• Energy Ball

Slowking-Galar @ Lagging Tail
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick
• Thunder Wave
• Chilly Reception
• Psychic Noise

My idea with specifically the Sensu Oricorio is that after a Quiver Dance I can check a non-scarfed Dragapult by using a STAB Revelation dance as well as shutting down E Speed Dragonite because of its ghost typing. I gave it Tera fighting to wall against Kingambit and Hamurrot (hence why I also gave it Defog fo Ceaseless Edge). This functions closer to an Offense and I've seen some decent success from it but at times it's quite janky. My main concern is the Manaphy being too frail, but Regeleki also feels as if I just slapped it on for a gimmick. Should I fix something or am I just not entirely used to it?

[gray karma]

Please send your team with a pokepaste link so you'll get faster rate because it'll @ raters

[nocturne sable]

You have zero ways of dealing with fairy types, you need to change your glowking set to have sludge bomb. Don’t think you need trick lagging tail+thunder wave.

https://pokepast.es/2e5e3d9ee2ef2bea optimized you team a little bit here. Oger will help you with vs mola fat and put hazard pressure with spikes. Free momentum with U-turn+chilly receipton for oricorio. Made manaphy it’s standard set, sub should help you out with scouting. Black glasses kingambit for power

[quartz stream]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz stream]

!paste

hmm what was the command again? I forgot

oh well whatever, in the future you should use a paste at pokepast.es or just click upload to pokepaste at the bottom of the teambuilder team screen
https://pokepast.es/e4066276e1d41c04

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

well if it's gonna ping everyone, Im gonna hijack it

was building a sun team around volcarona but the team has a lot of issues, I honestly don't even know if I'm losing to poor play or poor matchups
https://pokepast.es/706ef66971c4368f

[final relic]

Why scarf tusk

usually you have a speed booster tusk with helmet and rocks as dnite insurance

[nocturne sable]

Scarf+proto attack boost ig

[proud herald]

other than the fact that i'm using regieleki, what's wrong with the team ? https://pokepast.es/c7af27dd66ebcca2

[nocturne sable]

The fact you get 6-0ed by roar Tera fire zama

And you’re stacking fringe Mons in grafaiai and regieleki

Volcgargpult js probably fine but eleki and grafaiai are just random here

[proud herald]

admitted. Any ways I can salvage them ?

[proud herald]

tera fire zama is a thing now ?

😔

[placid sable]

https://pokepast.es/fc5f9e52bad36662

[gray karma]

Yes it's the IronPress moveset, mainly to avoid Burn or Moonblast from Val

[proud herald]

can't I beat it with (tera) pult or tera garg ?

[gray karma]

valiant ?

Val is kinda hard to counter at some points bcz u never know the moveset

Scizor is a good counter to it for example

[proud herald]

i meant the ironpress fire moveset

for valiant i'd just go explosion regieleki to have a sense of wether it's special or physical then either pult and will-o or volc and pray there's enough hp to live one hit and activate swarm

[tribal berry]

https://pokepast.es/1baed554d56fbf1e dont know what i was thinking with this team, honestly just tried making bulky offense with rillaboom + serperior

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Mixing playstyles here, you have balance and offense mons on one team

If you want to lean towards offense here you probably have to drop Ttar and Gliscor here

Make blaziken sd instead of cb

Serp probably has to be scarf here

[tribal berry]

Would i keep Ttar and Scor if i wanted a bulkier set?

[nocturne sable]

These sets just don’t fit the Gterrain offense you’re trying to aim for

[tribal berry]

Alr

[quartz stream]

also important to note is no hazard removal with only 1 boots mon

not even a tspike absorber

[tribal berry]

If i wanted to run Gterrain balance what would the set be

[quartz stream]

probably remove the random ass ttar

volcarona isn't really a mon you'd expect to see on a balance, it's a very inconsistent mon

but ig it's worth a shot? Even though moltres is probably a better pick for the team

[tribal berry]

Alr got it

[quartz lark]

PSG: https://pokepast.es/13bcf24ea84ba3ca

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/4b56574535929abb

main core is luna rilla mana

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/84e6dc8efca3e2ef

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade cedar]

I feel like you'd need more hazard control if you're running banded weavile

[odd portal]

https://pokepast.es/9a175d256e0401b5 hey guys wdyt about this?

[jade cedar]

no dark resist and I feel like relying on heatren as your only special wall feels inconsistent since it can be overwhelmed

oh wait I didn't notice tusk

mb

but you have no ghost resist

[odd portal]

yea i had noticed that and i feel like the most flexible position is the zapdos but idk

[odd portal]

yea that too thats why i had initially put zapdos in for corv but then i backed out of it

or backed out of making it SpD more so

[quartz stream]

you don't have enough speed control for an offense team, maybe you could drop corv for like a scarf lando? Also helps since ursa isn't reliable defensively bc it's killing itself slowly

and lando can assist with like a dnite or a pult (both of which you struggle with)

you won't have hazard control then so you may need to change some items to boots and rely on rilla terrain

[quartz stream]

on top of what crazyxd said, I feel this team is too passive for a bulky offense team

you don't have any immediate power either

everything kinda hits weakly or burns out quickly (booster tusk and volc)

not only that but you have 0 priority

you could try specs darkrai over volcarona

doesn't solve the priority issue but it's a ghost resist and it can hit hard

[odd portal]

i wanted to build around volcarona but yea that would be thoe most logical optiion

[odd portal]

do i even need the prio?

[quartz stream]

yeah it's offense paradise out there

you're gonna see a billion boost sweepers

[quartz stream]

oh then shelve the team for now and build a new team for volc

atp if you want to keep volc, it's easier to just make a new team than to delete and replace 3 mons

make copy of the team with like specs rai and band scizor over heatran or smth

[odd portal]

i mean i would rather make the team work to then discard it so what about switching volc for specs darkrai and zapdos for dnite?

[quartz stream]

idk something like that

remember to find a team weakness and resistance calculator online

that's what I've been doing lately and it's been helping me not forget resistances

[quartz lark]

Wtf

[quartz stream]

hes saying that 1 regieleki (that doesn't beat a lotta spinblockers, like eleki can't spin on a pult for ex) isn't enough to support a band weavile

[odd portal]

yea rn i feel like the goated hazard control is corv but thats just me

(i know gholdengo blocks it but the only one that can consistently deal with it is weezing and spinners which have to deal with all ghost types)

[jade cedar]

even weezing can be abused a set up fodder since it's forced to switch out or eat make a rain

[odd portal]

yea but you will get the defog off always technically

[jade cedar]

kinda depends on the situation, sometimes you're better living the hazards or risk getting swept by ghold

[quartz stream]

I found the a good rapid spinner for spinning on ghold to be quaquaval

[jade cedar]

av?

[quartz stream]

it's 1 pt faster than ghold and it can even hit balloon ghold nicely

[quartz stream]

or just boots, av would work too

only problem is you need to be at +1 to 1hko it

[odd portal]

tbh anything with a knockoff could also do the job if we are talking about vs ghold not as consistent as all the options we listed so far but

[quartz stream]

overall tusk is probably the best hazard removal

[odd portal]

lets be real tusk is the best mon in OU in general

[jade cedar]

bulky ghold can somewhat 1v1 with recover

[quartz stream]

pecha is scarf of headlong rush, ghold is scared of everything it can do, can't touch sinis but it's sinish, pult oneshots it but it's pult

[odd portal]

so everything it can do its prob the best at bc you are also getting a mon that could be doing any other thing

[quartz stream]

does it live headlong?

[jade cedar]

I mean it has ice spinner for sini

[quartz stream]

yeah but that's like a 3hko and the sini smacks you with matcha or just burns you directly

[jade cedar]

was talking about qua

[quartz stream]

oh yeah

[quartz stream]

there's a reason that one dude was using tentacruel

[jade cedar]

252 Atk Great Tusk Ice Spinner vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sinistcha: 122-144 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO yeah sinis can 1v1

[quartz stream]

tenta is the closest thing to a spinner that beats all spinblockers

[jade cedar]

not quote beat but some of them can't do much against it in return

[quartz stream]

all it needs to do is force them out somehow or 1v1 them

and it can pretty reliably do that

esp. compared to everyone else

[odd portal]

i mean you could also do the legendary mortal spin glimm lol

or tidy up maushold

(both of these are awful and i am aware of it)

[jade cedar]

I think the best thing it can do is knock off them until death (except for pech) or just slow pivot out to bring something else

which is good

god if rain was just better, tenta would be the ideal spinner

[quartz stream]

also it can poison them with sludge bomb which can really help with some

[jade cedar]

on who 😭 only like pult or sinis, the usual spin blockers are both immune to poison

[quartz stream]

it beats ghold with surf
252 SpA Mystic Water Tentacruel Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 138-163 (43.8 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO

same for pecha

the technology is pretty insane

too bad you have to run timid otherwise ur 1 point slower than tusk

[jade cedar]

prefer scald

[quartz stream]

nah running like black sludge scald kinda defeats the point of having a tentacruel

if ur using some random NU shitmon, you need it to do its one job extremely well

watering it down and trying to make it a generalist will remind you why it's NU to begin with

[jade cedar]

I mean realistically it doesn't have to 1v1 all blocker to be effective knocking off the item and safely flip turning is more then decent job, also boiling it down to one purpose would make dead weight for other stuff

[quartz stream]

the offensive investment isn't for 1v1ing spinblockers really, it's just to make it less passive

scald is at best a roll to kill offensive tusk

mystic water surf is killing even hp invested tusk

and this is even more true now that volc is in the tier, volc is smashed by surf and if it teras grass it's smashed by sludge

[jade cedar]

so the ideal set is this?

[quartz stream]

personally yes, but boots is definitely the way safer item choice

the guy who peaked with it used boots

[jade cedar]

ehh idk, using a NU that has some decent qualites won't be neccesery horrible if used for it's main usual set since people are not looking out for it nor usually know what it can but I haven't used the set so idk

[quartz stream]

well the mon is NU for a reason, and that's usually because its main usual set is weak and ineffective

when using a niche specialist mon, you have to go full hard into its strengths

tentacruel's strength is its speed tier with strong offensive stab combo, and its rapid spin

so that's why the full offensive set (or using boots for a more balanced team) is probably the only real use for the mon

[jade cedar]

ig, it still hate pult

[quartz stream]

yea it's not perfect still, pult draco or darts smashes you

but pult doesn't live very long either so it kinda compensates

[jade cedar]

why I feel if someone wants to reach high ladder they need to use something new and unexpected 😭

[quartz stream]

well if you hit top ladder using a bog standard team, there's no need to make a big post about it

and so nobody sees it

but when you hit top ladder with whimsicott and comfey, it's a huge development and people are like "wow whimsicott and comfey? that's sick"

[modern summit]

Hm can I and slot out dnite espeed for woger?

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/1402bcf9e3c5b8f6
Wanted to try out a sub sd set with Excadrill, since I had problems with Kingambit before while going for the drill sweep and whatnot
However, this set lacked hazard removal, so went with Gking, along with Deo for rocks with banded Tar. Thoughts?

I’m feeling more t ghost rotom for t fire idef Za, thoughts?

Holy I say thoughts a lot

[quartz stream]

doesn't sandstorm run out before drill can do anything?

not sure about sub SD drill

with only 5 sand turns

[queen saddle]

Tbh w a sub up it’s fine

Bc then they have to atk

Also Drill with a balloon and t ghost

just has so many immunities

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/b8808ef48928bc66
Uhhhh, I know I sent like a team or 2 before this already, but I made this one in 5 minutes as to 1v1 a friend, it was a challenge where we make a team in 5 minutes and then 1v1, and I won with this and I wonder if its good

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Heatran is mainly there for Volc but can also stall break which is cool

And idef za is kinda the wincon

[nocturne sable]

What’s power gem heatran for? You wall volc regardless no Tera blast

Just click taunt and magma storm

[queen saddle]

Fair point haha

Only other option I feel like is wisp tho

Flash cannon maybe?

[quartz stream]

could also try protect

[quartz stream]

pult will be a major issue for this team since nothing outspeeds it and you have 0 priority, and your only ghost resist is outsped and oneshot by uturn

in fact every HO mon will be an issue for this team since you have 0 priority and a somewhat shaky defensive core

zama roar is basically your only hope if a mon gets a lot of boosts

aside from that I think this is a decent hazard stack

pretty good for a team made in 5 min