SV OU Rates

[quartz lark]

only ttar deals with it moltres too if its on over zapdos

[swift forum]

you have rock slide on exca and alo can pivot on moltres

[quartz lark]

yes

or iron head exca

[queen saddle]

dude

sun is not that bad of a matchup

Wake is threatening sure but just pilot as well as you can

if sun is up then take it down when you can

it’s never easy to go against wake

or sun

and like he said, usually when they see sand they’ll just click steam

not true lmfao

that’s just utility woger without spikes or grass move

actually not even

[chilly tundra]

I prefer rock slide over iron head because of the birds

[kind fiber]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1602344

I think this is the right channel?

[nocturne sable]

Team link doesn’t work, try use pokepaste or psteams or send your team

[chilly tundra]

The cudgel, knock, uturn, synthesis/encore set?

[kind fiber]

https://pokepast.es/53f2bf586c10d76a

[quartz lark]

Y idk why you’re still talkin if you wanted us to stop talking here. Our discussion is resolved, no more contributions.

[queen saddle]

You still have a problem with me in every case

Yo, lwk
chill

All I’m here to do is help, and rate teams
If I dont get your flow, I dont, but it doesn’t give you an excuse to be disrespectful in any case
Not tryna say we should be friends, just respect and understand what I say about your team, and I’ll do the same w you
We good?

[queen saddle]

and yeah

[queen saddle]

We rate teams, not gameplay unless related to the team

[kind fiber]

That shouldn't be a game?

[queen saddle]

send your team thru pokepaste, it’s at the bottom

[quartz lark]

dude

[kind fiber]

I did

[kind fiber]

.

[queen saddle]

Oh mb

yo

honestly tera water ogerpon is brutal for a team like this

I wouldnt use ting lu when you have a tyranitar and excadrill

Prim dislikes sand due to it having less longevity

You’d probably want Alo over Prim and Hydrapple over Corvi, with Lu being an AV gking because you have no tspike absorber, which if you run non boots Apple, is a bother

And Heatran can be changed to something for speed control such as Darkrai

[kind fiber]

Bet

[old sky]

https://pokepast.es/3712016dab432ab0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

first off youre missing a bunch of teras here

[old sky]

Oh right I forgot to do Tera’s 🤦

[final relic]

(dragon corv, poison samu)

[old sky]

Alright thanks!

[swift forum]

put roost on corv

[final relic]

aside from that you kinda lack ogerpon switchins here

oh yeah didnt notice that definitely drop bb

er

body press

corv as only removal will not work out

[kind fiber]

How should I build alo?

[old sky]

Yeah that’s fair I was struggling with it especially since defog removes both mines and my opponents hazards but I couldn’t think of another flying type to cover clodsire and skeledirge

[old sky]

?

[final relic]

meant to say drop body press

[queen saddle]

prolly phys def boots

your team should handle threats on the special side fine

AV is goated

and tar

[kind fiber]

Cool

[old sky]

So don’t use body press and raise atk stat?

[final relic]

no

what youve got is fine

[old sky]

Sorry I’m kind of slow

[final relic]

generally on hazard stack teams like this you want a) boot spam

like on this team: https://pokepast.es/cade2077365ddd82

[old sky]

Hmmm alright

Is my breaking core alright without a knock off user?

[final relic]

or b) combination of rapid spin / hatterene etc to keep opposing hazards off

defog is generally bad here

[old sky]

If I add in great tusk that covers a decent amount but it just makes me really weak to ground so I’m not sure what to use to counter that weakness

[final relic]

clodsire seems really out of place here

[old sky]

Noted

[final relic]

tusk works

ok heres what id do

[old sky]

My initial thought was skele clod and corvi for a strong defensive core

[queen saddle]

lowkey

Skele clod Corvi is like UU defensive core

[old sky]

Damn

[queen saddle]

but instead of corvi its skarm

[old sky]

So I should quit playing forever

[queen saddle]

Just use the superior pech lu corvi core

[old sky]

Lu?

Ting Lu

[final relic]

are you particularly attached to like

keeping any of these mons on here

[old sky]

Only skeledirge tbh

[final relic]

hm

[old sky]

Apparently I’m a sociopath if I don’t use my starter

[final relic]

av hrott + skeledirge covers enough things on the special end

[old sky]

Sorry but what’s av?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/62d992b51cf16ac5 just stall

[final relic]

assault vest

[queen saddle]

Also true

[old sky]

Oh I’m dumb

[queen saddle]

Actually I tried using Samu and Ceru as a core one time tbh

Bc I noticed how good defensively it was

I then clicked knock off with Samu and then tried to polter

with Ceru

[final relic]

id say drop pult for dnite gives you a real water resist

[old sky]

Bet

[final relic]

treads is an option to not be too raging bolt weak

[old sky]

Should I use scale shot d nite?

Or set up extreme speed

[final relic]

eh you can do something greedy

[old sky]

So rn I have skele, corvi, d nite, samu-h, king gambit, and tusk/treads

[final relic]

you can probably drop corv for hmm

enamorus works

gives you some speed control

idk about gambit here? maybe like an idef zama

[old sky]

Gotcha

Thanks a bunch

[young gust]

https://pokepast.es/5ac0e94b10300a01

any advicd

[queen saddle]

okay so some of your sets are kinda wack

I dont think your team is that bulky to the point you can carry toxic freely

I’d run over itfor lets say ice beam

and this CM Bolt is pretty volatile to itself
Draco just ruins your boosts and thunderclap is just inconsistent, though you could run it as your only electric move potentially
At least run pulse over draco, but I don’t think you need sub. Tera fairy cm bolt is fine here

The Moltres set feels extremely passive because of scorching sands just being a weak move and not carrying roar or your stabs on this set, usually you’d use scorching sands over willo/roar

DD tera fire Kyurem could destroy this team

I think you just run the standard flamethrower roar set

Gliscor is difficult because with a good defensive partner for Rilla, it could potentially just spam toxic and knock, and you struggle to do much into that
I think you could do Kyurem over Bolt, because chilly reception and terrain allows Kyurem to be bulkier than it already is and check things like Treads and whatnot

And I think you could just run ice spinner over knock on Tusk because of the things you want to hit, along with HDB

Didnt catch this, but gking should be boots too

be careful with Pult and Rai, they can destroy ur team
T dark helps but you don’t rlly wanna replace anyone bc you also need that tspike absorber

[nocturne sable]

You kinda want boots tusk here to improve your hazard control since you’re running LO pult and banded rilla.

I also recommend Run the standard
Smogon sets generally.

Double psychic move glowking is bad, you can run black sludge trick+psychic noise chilly reception.

Solo scorching sands molt is bad. You want stab flamethrower here, you can run flamethrower+scorching sands if you want then decide between u-turn/roar.

you also generally want Draco meteor over U-turn on LO pult since the point of Lo pult is to dish as much damage as possible and damage walls like Dozo Blissey etc.

But yk what you can do

https://pokepast.es/cf4b265c6518c5e7

https://pokepast.es/ee1d9843f5997c21

you can make raging bolt nasty plot torn for more speed and power. This will allow banded rillaboom to farm teams in the late game with grassy glide. Also gives you another Mon faster than wogerpon.

[gray karma]

this seems decent but lemme redo ur moveset wait a minute

https://pokepast.es/86f5ded7313aafd4

I didn't want to touch at mons if u feel more comfortable with them but specs is also playable on Dpult and hp ev on tusk

[sonic vector]

thanks pal you da goat 🙃

[queen saddle]

use Pokepaste please

[gray karma]

Ywyw

[sonic vector]

mb will do

[gray karma]

I also think ur team is a little too weak against fairy type so imo steel/fire tera crystal on tusk is better I forgot to put and maybe dengo can suit in team too

[barren ridge]

@half gust please break your message up and use a shareable like the PS teams database or pokepaste so Discord stops flagging it as spam content

[half gust]

Wait what

What is happening

[barren ridge]

You were flagged for spam 4 times. Break the message into parts and share your team with a link otherwise you're going to keep getting filtered by Discord's default systems

[half gust]

Oh i’m sorry, didn’t knew it..

[barren ridge]

You didn't notice your message wasn't posted and got filtered for spam 4 times in a row...?

Does Discord not give you an ephemeral message when that occurs?

[knotty sundial]

I've seen some servers where it does and some where it doesn't, idk here

[gaunt forum]

lil webs team

https://pokepast.es/0852d2847acd93e0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I think you prefer Wogerpon over Cornerstone because it blocks alo from flipping

also tera fight tusk is something to consider because cc is the most spammable thing alive

[inner terrace]

yea u need the water resist as well

run psyshock on val ngl

over tbolt

[gaunt forum]

that’s facts. i will try it out. i just went cornerstone because i already use wogerpon a lot and i dont like repeat

[inner terrace]

or u can even do like

psyshock over sball

either is fine

it's good for the moth

[gaunt forum]

i’m down for that can i keep tera electric cos i thought it was a cool idea

[queen saddle]

Imo I like t ghost s ball more

but tbolt t electric is just as viable

[gaunt forum]

will try that stuff out tho. i really want to try cornerstone out first but if its becoming a huge problem with water i’ll def swap to wogerpon

thanks

[lean hornet]

trying to get to 1500 but struggling

[barren ridge]

please use a sharable link

[barren ridge]

you can upload to the team database or to pokepaste from the bottom of the teambuilder

#1373406929317269624 message

[lean hornet]

https://pokepast.es/95a7e4ef68a3c807

my b

[warped escarp]

http://pokepast.es/c223962fd1bae3a4
Hovering around 1500 with this galarian zapdos team, I'm primarily having trouble with will o wisp cinderace

[queen saddle]

me when outrage dragapult

the team feels like it’s trying to accomplish a lot of roles at once and has very wacky sets, like the Heatran set blanking into other Heatrans and dying to ep, along with Clef having.. psychic, and Pult using outrage
few more comments but those r the main ones

imo I’d spend a little more time learning the tier while using a sample team

[queen saddle]

so this team is just kinda standard pivot spam but no defensive backbone, along with you lacking a fire resist outside of Bolt, this team feels extremely weak to Ceruledge

[lean hornet]

yeah heatran is a gholdengo counter cus i was struggling against tera fairy gholdengo and the psychic on clefairy is litterally the only way i can counter pecharunt kinda…😅

[queen saddle]

you also struggle with mixed Val

[lean hornet]

loll it felt bad having dragon darts on a choice band set

[lean hornet]

okay bet thank you

[queen saddle]

Nah darts is a great move

Outrage is good but also darts is js better

goes thru sash and lets u pivot yk

[queen saddle]

back to this though, you lack a ghost resist and struggle into Pult and even Rai too

really offensive ghosts can give you a hard time

I’d replace Crown for Moltres and I’d try a scarf Samurott over Gapdos

[warped escarp]

Yea forgot to mention ceruledge

Ight I'll try that out thanks man

[lean hornet]

imma try it out too, thanks for ur guy’s help

[queen saddle]

npnp

[queen saddle]

not a problem

[lean hornet]

theres a lot of stored power cheese going around on the ladder right now, how would you go abt countering that?

[queen saddle]

it’s just cheese, what mons specifically?

I mean the way I counter it is thru phasing

but teams can use haze, phasing, or just checks to said mons

[knotty sundial]

or if it's specifically stored power and not power trip, then dark types

[lean hornet]

all kinds of mons be running it honestly

i just got destroyed by a clefable

hatterene

things like that

it gets around my unaware clefable n i have to pop my tera to survive or lose

n the dark types i try running like hisuian samurott can’t really hit them back that hard n i’ll just get crushed by a coverage move

[knotty sundial]

have you tried kingambit

[lean hornet]

no i actually havent lol. i’m worried hes too easy to counter since he’s so popular

[knotty sundial]

I mean

people will prepare for it yes

but it's popular because it's very good

[lean hornet]

idk where he would fit in my team tbh. i’ve been trying a bunch of sample teams and even tried going back to the team that got me up to 1400, but now i’m sitting down at 1100 n i’m so lost almost feel like idk how to play this game anymore lmao

[orchid sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/369091944543117f team based around using tinkaton. I was thinking about switching out ceruledge for maybe great tusk to get rid of stealth rock and spikes

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

ok so theres some good ideas here

but ninetales entirely doesnt belong on this

id also use the recommended set on moltres since otherwise you’ll be quite lacking defensively

you need some speed control

probably want to have boots wake on a bulky team like this

pecharunt > gking since there’s not much of a water resist

try ting lu tinkaton moltres pech wake zamazenta, tusk shouldnt be needed on a boots hstack like this

gives you very solid ogerpon switchins, good fairy resists, rocks+spikes, breaking with knock off wake

its a little bit gliscor weak but you can throw on something like ice fang zama which should alleviate that matchup enough

[queen saddle]

I feel you bro

You can dm me if you need help

dms r open to anyone here who wants help w comp outside their team

[jade cedar]

....

[worn plinth]

https://pokepast.es/10c48a6038d54755

[orchid sapphire]

alright thanks

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3e467af7ba6645f1

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

you have no ground

consider tusk somewhere

[gritty lake]

where exactly

[inner terrace]

over weez maybe

[queen saddle]

Both get absolutely wrecked by a Raging Bolt

You probably want slowking G over Tornt

Idk why he’s there tbh

[jade cedar]

to be fair there are two ground types, but probably none of them can switch on a draco

[queen saddle]

and cant Scizor be rilla

U have no water resist

or answer to Woger

[jade cedar]

and THAT's the thing that I was thinking I forget..

[jagged fern]

https://pokepast.es/b4ef7afc71c7f1f0
I alrdy made this team i think it's already good the way it is, however i think i really need a dragon type resist

[queen saddle]

This is a bulky offense with a kinda random Ceru and Meow

You probably want Gholdengo and Zamazenta

[tepid hazel]

yeah i was about to say that meow was kinda weird

i was stil lanalyzing it though lol

also sd chomp on sv? 👀

like ur username u play sd chomp on sv or natdex

[queen saddle]

SV

[tepid hazel]

i can see meow potentially working here but idk about ceru

[tepid hazel]

may i ask what u use>?

i have not had any success with that variant.

[queen saddle]

SD scale eq fire fang/stone edge

[tepid hazel]

i mostly use tankchomp due to that

[jagged fern]

Who should i replace that w i might try those two out

[queen saddle]

Ceru and Meow

[tepid hazel]

fire fang rly works? it feels very underwhelming

[jagged fern]

aight thx bro

[queen saddle]

Corvi mainly

[tepid hazel]

yeah maeks sense but damn i do not know if that is enough reason to use it, does it 2hko

[queen saddle]

if your team can’t check corvi too well or if it’s blocking ur sweep often use fire fang

[tepid hazel]

i think edge makes more sense

[tepid hazel]

ah i see

[queen saddle]

27% to corvi I think

[tepid hazel]

oh wow. damn

[queen saddle]

while stone edge covers mainly everything else and I usually use Chomp with Moltres

which checks Corvi w burn chip

[tepid hazel]

that maks sense.

[queen saddle]

threatens w flame

[tepid hazel]

i like that, i did hear it is good with it but

yeah now i have more perspective, thanks.

[queen saddle]

np

[inner terrace]

as far as teams go you're fine vs bolt ngl

as for which is better im not a fan of torn + molt

think one or the other

second one more consistent tho probably

i would take out torn and put zama in the second

hmm no water resist though

idk maybe change molt for some water resist then

[iron sky]

everyone in ou is going down 😂😂

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/6360fbc989b2636f

Trying to experiment with Raging Bolt again with a fresh start with a new team based around it but Bolt feels like a weird mon build a team around it.

[gaunt forum]

https://pokepast.es/70668ec60b6cf97e

tried a veil team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This is fine

Idk if I'd do gliscor tho

Veil tends to like setup threats that are somewhat frail and use the screens to have room to setup

Sd gliscor is already very tanky and is frankly walled by too much as a wincon to have the best place on veil

Everything else seems ok though

I fear a moltres mu tho

Especially roar moltres

So I think you need smth to deal with that

It can't touch ceruledge yes but ceruledge does very little back

Taunt certainly helps

But I think actually having something to properly force it out would be nice

[old relic]

https://pokepast.es/3856422ba7d6d9dd

Very new to stall and wanted to try it out more, what do you guys think?

The lack of knockoff really bothers me since I cant quite deal with boot spammers that well.

[tacit bluff]

Not a stall expert but yeah you absolutely need knock off

And also preferably double hazards

The mons seem fine in a vaccum but they force very little progress

Nothing here wants to take knock off in return either

[old relic]

so gliscor solves everything at the same time?

[nocturne sable]

This seems like a very bad fat balance rather than a proper stall team.

[tacit bluff]

Kinda but there's some other underlying stuff

Gliscor is a start

[nocturne sable]

Corviknight ting Lu & alomomola are fine but the other half are kinda sus

[old relic]

[tacit bluff]

Idk if you know more about stall structures quaqrash but if you do you can take it from here lowk

[old relic]

so nac is not that great nowadays?

[nocturne sable]

I’m not exactly a super stall nerd but like I know the basics.

[nocturne sable]

When building stall a generally basic core to start with is Gliscor+regen Mon

+special wall of your choice(clodsire/blissey)

[tacit bluff]

Lowk clod

[old relic]

I am not very fond of blissey myself

[tacit bluff]

The think with stall is kyurem and wellspring prove to be incredibly frustrating

[nocturne sable]

Depends on what type of stall you’re building. If you’re building like unaware stall clodsire is good, but on generic double defog stall you would usually see Blissey

[tacit bluff]

So if it's say alo gliscor clodsire your wellspring mu is fine

But you need a kyurem check

[nocturne sable]

Stall is the worst it’s been this Gen so options are pretty limited

[old relic]

thats one of the moltress functions

even though its speced physically

[tacit bluff]

I'd hesitate to say moltres is a kyurem check

Unaware clefairy is lowkey fine

[old relic]

is it really that bad nowadays? 😭

[tacit bluff]

Sorry clefable

[old relic]

[tacit bluff]

Yeah recovery nerf and the complete gutting of stall staples like toxapex rly didn't help

[old relic]

well

guess we doing boot spam now

[nocturne sable]

There’s not much stall can do about sub Dd kyurem outside of like Tera dondozo and such.

Generally for stuff like specs kyurem you either keep Blissey healthy or use Tera steel with Toxapex/clodsire, whatever Tera steel spdef check you have

Or you can run niche options like bronzong sometimes

[tacit bluff]

Honestly ddance scares me more here

[old relic]

I prefer choice kyurem

[tacit bluff]

Tera electric ddance is like

[nocturne sable]

There also spdef corv and dondozo variants that can also check special kyurem especially with Tera

[tacit bluff]

There's a world where you also run smth like skelidirge if you see ddance kyurem but ehhh

Clefable is probably better

[nocturne sable]

Wellspring is kinda similar, although you do generally have some checks like gweez, brave bird corv, physdef Toxapex & the occasional amoongus but run into the wrong set you’re probably goobed

Thankfully most woger nowadays are running horn leech/Trailblaze as grass stab over power whip, so your physdef pex or dozo can probably take on woger better in this meta

[tacit bluff]

Damn trailblaze

I've missed a fair bit

[nocturne sable]

Yea, ever since screens got popular Trailblaze adamant has been on the rise

[tacit bluff]

Gotta get back into this tier

[old relic]

wait, screens are back?

[tacit bluff]

Ftr screens is a pretty good mu for stall

They basically get no benefit from said screens

Just be careful of the occasional kyurem

[old relic]

is kingambit still the best pokemon?

or is it something else

[tribal meadow]

either that or zama

its still in the converation though

[old relic]

makes sense

[nocturne sable]

Okay so for your team:

Moltres should be Gliscor here, you can run enough speed to outspeed a raging bolt and non max speed gholdengo sets.

Garganacl should be a Blissey: Blissey is a more solid special wall for you overall, like ting Lu taken some burdens off of it. Bliss can be cm here.

Clefable is definitely viable on stall, but I like gweezing here more to complete the double defog core, which is nice against gholdengo stack teams and will allow you to greed with items.

[old relic]

gonna try it out, thanks for the help guys

Is eviolite chansey worse than leftovers blissey?

[atomic mango]

i want to use rest talk ursaluna and i think the defensive core is fine but i think switching kyurem and ghold for something else might be better https://pokepast.es/dc706662d4a1ec43

i also really want to use blissey over clodsire but i really really need toxic

i also changed body slam on alo to tickle

[atomic mango]

him, zama or dnite

the 218 speed tier is still very important to be above

[atomic mango]

in almost every case yes

being even more vulnerable to knock off is not good

[quartz lark]

Astolfo's Arsenal
https://pokepast.es/81171f920739b075

[swift forum]

hex over shadow ball on pult

replace rocks on gliscor for something else

this team kinda doesn't threaten birds as well, you might want something for that

[nocturne sable]

Team looks almost standard but you have overlapping rolls in double stealth rock on Gliscor and treads.

spdef moltres prefers Tera fairy over dragon. Tera dragon is mainly used for physical defensive sets to check woger.

Here’s what you can do:

change moltres Tera to fairy, this will allow you an immune to dragon moves which can be useful when 1v1ing pult, latios, kyurem etc. and also gives you a resist into darkrai.

Make treads speed booster steel beam earthquake here, earthquake is kinda mid here with grassy terrain halving its power.

Changes pult to hex>shadow ball here since you’re boots will o wisp.

Make Hamurott Aqua cutter over razor shell, don’t want to be coming in contact with the birds

Lastly, pecharunt>gliscor, gives you a solid physical wall since you’re running spdef moltres.

[swift forum]

i was thinking that this team can't prevent corv from removing and half the team also invites it in for free

[nocturne sable]

He can U-turn with rilla into pult or molt and threaten corv

[swift forum]

yeah you can

but i was thinking of replacing gliscor with raging bolt instead, maybe specs

gives much more special breaking power

also makes a nice voltturn with rilla

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/fd3c190a0738a496 thinking maybe something like this

[quartz lark]

Going with this. Looks like a dynasty.

Sub + Tect/Specs Kyurem --
Icicle Crash Weavile -
Cudgel + Whip Woger --
Walking Wake in Sun --

Scarf Darkrai ---
Tera Fairy Kingambit --
Iron + Press Zamazenta --
Band Tera Ghost Dragapult --

Mixed/Specs Iron Valiant --
Tera Steel Metal Coat Gholdengo ---
Tera Fairy Dragonite --
Headlong + CC + Ice Spinner Great Tusk --

HDB Raging Bolt ---
HDB Lokix --
Glimmora -
Ogerpon-Cornerstone ---

Tera Flying Dragonite --

This is pretty much what I was thinking about during the building process.

[muted apex]

https://pokepast.es/7cfb4c65c3298863

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted apex]

Rate the Cheeks Clapper set, won 4 games in a row with the Clapper sweep

[final relic]

probably want tera fire here

you can drop moonblast for snowscape for guaranteed veil vs sun

[muted apex]

Ooo, kk

[final relic]

corv doesnt belong on a screens team

[muted apex]

But does help Hands with Tusk when Shuca Berry is used up

[final relic]

try like a bulk up tusk

hmm i feel like you want a kyurem here

take advantage of snow boost

[muted apex]

Replace who?

I do want Darkrai here cuz Future Sight immunity

[final relic]

well

you can keep the darkrai @muted apex but specs isnt the play you wanna be setting up

https://pokepast.es/30f4703003a98835

[muted apex]

Alr

[final relic]

i dropped ogerpon for kyurem since iron hands+ 1 other breaker is already a very strong matchup against like

typical bulky teams

it also makes tusks job easier by beating opposing corv, mola, dondozo etc who all wall it

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/f98bf2e4b54ef99d

[tardy sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/06222695034a3abd trying some lokix webs

[plain olive]

I'm thinking to add more special attackers and need somethjng with priority moves but I don't know how to do it any suggestions? https://pokepast.es/40ddce7c55403ef2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[torn scroll]

Still hoping to have this be looked over since Raging Bolt is a weird mon to build a team around it.

[quartz lark]

Man City
https://pokepast.es/05103b75d957af6c

[teal copper]

https://pokepast.es/f5fa9f20dcbe9739 my first time trying to build a team need advice

[hot wave]

https://pokepast.es/75888f2ab20295cd stole this from blunder vid of smogon tour anyone recommend changing anything

[tepid hazel]

why are you running 2 assault vest and zapdos on a glimmora team like this one

also just make your great tusk bulk up here by then if you have glimmora i think

also explosion is not a good move on glimmora

[knotty sundial]

sludge wave>venoshock

you don't need 2 rock setters

[tepid hazel]

wait does he have venoshock on the moth, damn

[knotty sundial]

no need to run tera blast grass on moth also

it gets energy ball

in general tho

[tepid hazel]

uh i kind of made the team pretty boring but i did my best to keep the team's identity intact

[knotty sundial]

this team looks like it wants to be ho but it's not

[tepid hazel]

removed iron moth and zapdos for thundurus and ghold

that should be okay right

still working on it

but that is the main idea, just used set samples for now

[knotty sundial]

this team could go the hstack route in which case you def want ghold or at least a ghost

[tepid hazel]

get any recommendations on the current team i have making for him hahaha

just making sure i did not miss anything, i only added knock on thundurus so far

[knotty sundial]

honestly

I think av hamu was fine but I would give it knock

[tepid hazel]

i see. alright then.

that is all? @knotty sundial well i guess i will post the paste and ping

[knotty sundial]

I mean sd is also a set for sure

but let's see

[tepid hazel]

well i think knock vest is betteri agree but

i just thought power, i like big damage numbers

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/d506b46cc8e2af47 thundurus instead of zapdos here. and iron moth for gholdengo since you already get toxic spikes through glimmora so

[knotty sundial]

needs more speed control, I think ghold should be scarf maybe

[tepid hazel]

oh, okay that is fair enough

i will just edit it wait

therep, done

why do i always forget a good flying resist that is not my wincondition(kingambit lol) and speed control

[knotty sundial]

oh yeah I didn't even notice moth was tspikes too

[teal copper]

tysm bro ❤️❤️❤️

[tepid hazel]

no problem, I hope you enjoy

[tepid hazel]

yeah hahaha

[tepid hazel]

I DMed you btw

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9dadf6ef3d91674f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

untitled 282. huh

interesting

[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/c3b88980d2419f40

thinking about changing gweez to corv

[tepid hazel]

you can do the sample core and then just replace dragapult with ursaluna

[atomic mango]

huh

[tepid hazel]

just saying

lol

it's wacky and totally an awful idea but

if it works it works

[atomic mango]

ursaluna is awful as a rest talker

I usually just end up sacking it or using it for like one mon

it would honestly just be better to use rest ting lu ngl

but hes funny so its ok

[jade cedar]

???

[tepid hazel]

well uh do you want me to uh, well I guess I should just make the changes manually hold up

[tepid hazel]

yeah just shocked how many teams are untitled hahaua

[jade cedar]

too lazy to name ;-;, also they're way more then this since they sometimes become untitled 1

also fire pfp

[tepid hazel]

thanks man

I made it myself hahaha

with the power of shitposting

[gaunt forum]

what would you recommend replace gliscor with?

[tacit bluff]

Ogerpon wellspring seems like a good fit

[gaunt forum]

jolly cudgel leech/whip play rough SD/knock off

[tacit bluff]

That and ceruledge should patch up the moltres issue

Yeah standard sd

[gaunt forum]

cool thanks

[tacit bluff]

Pick and choose the moves based on whatever matchups you struggle with

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/a132822d678fd2a6 @atomic mango

there I made a pretty wacky one per usual

you have tera hog, keep that in mind

hm, I wonder if I checked all the boxes.

I mean I did make the FWG DFS core

with flying and ground, I should be okay.

[jade cedar]

tera blast ice...

[tepid hazel]

it's just a paste I have lying around

I forgot where i got it

I think it's from stall origins.

and there's a tera fighting variant

[jade cedar]

anyways any special attacker screws you over, moltres on it's own will get overwhelmed eventually

[tepid hazel]

don't remember well

ah, freak

fair enough, maybe I can do vest fish?

[jade cedar]

just go g-slow or blissy if it's stall

also just flamethrower on moltres

[tepid hazel]

hm, I guess.

[atomic mango]

gweezing without defog?

[tepid hazel]

yyyep

for some reason

yeah I hate stall idk why I attempted to help lol

I am dead to rights more accustomed to more wackier stuff

I guess I got overzealous, oops

[cursive cipher]

Hey I'm new to showdown and started playing uu recently with sample teams

Still not good enough to team build but wanted to try playing ou with a team featuring gliscor

Do any of you have a sample team I could try out

[knotty sundial]

this channel is just for rating existing teams, so you should ask these kinds of things in #comp-general but
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-scl-and-olt.3712513/

[tepid hazel]

there are a lot but you can check out the sv ou bazaar i beleive? is the bazaar any good i forgot shit

also yeah that exists

[cursive cipher]

Thanks sorry if its a bit inappropriate for this channel still a bit lost navigating the channels

[barren moat]

W or L team

[knotty sundial]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[tepid hazel]

if you are running hoodra and ting lu that is just a bit overkill on passivity i think

seems hard to make progress

[tepid hazel]

just either be fat or like do something else, commit to the archetype did you even make the team with one in mind

[barren moat]

Im new to competitive pokemon. I just chucked stuff into a team and adapted the team as I played

I want to use goodra though

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/08291ac52ec273f0 semi-stall kyu

[swift forum]

at this point just use full stall, kyurem doesn't really help you patch any holes and it doesn't provide knock which the breaker on semistall typically has since it forces progress

also mono-press on dozo cannot be that good, at least use waterfall or avalanche with it otherwise ceru walls you

and this team (although i guess like all stalls, but you could at least use clod or something, or haze on pex) basically cannot beat ghold in the long run

another thing i would suggest is more protect because this team gets cooked by future sight if they have any way around gliscor, also helps with pp stalling if you want that

actually i didn't see bunker on pex but you can probably use protect over uturn on corv

although i guess you want to bring in kyurem safely so maybe not

[jade cedar]

blissy walls and sets up on ghold, it can't really just sit on it

also the point of kyu is to break fatter teams and mirror stall

[elder knoll]

ts gets folded by spikes + Ghold

😔

You can’t be running sub Kyu with solo Corv removal on a bulky team

[jade cedar]

I don't see the problem with it? the whole team in general is fine around hazards so managing defog for Kyu specfically isn't hard

[elder knoll]

Bro

You literally cannot use sub Kyurem to break if it’s always taking rock dance

It hurts your bulky matchup into Lu/Ghold/Dnite/Zama structures more than it helps

[jade cedar]

ummm....this isn't just a corv and kyu vs the whole world, everything you mentioned except for ghold will get worn down by toxic, hazard and knock off

[elder knoll]

you have a negative matchup into those structures

especially if they have a special attacking knocker

😭

I’m not sure why this is hard to understand

If a hazard stack has a knocker that beats or forces Tera onto Corv/scor

your team folds

[jade cedar]

aren't mixed attackers in general a problem with stall?

the archetype in itself is hard to teambuild, ghold's usual answer is tera clod which pretty much is a sitting duck against if it's air ballon

[elder knoll]

you have a Toxapex

typically you used that for mixed Val

If it’s like a Kyurem you generally need to like burn Tera and toxic it

and position well

[elder knoll]

Blissey can run shadow ball to deal with Ghold

it still to Tera steel metal coat MiR variants though if no clod

[jade cedar]

I just really want to use kyu as a semi-stall breaker..

[jade cedar]

which is exactly why I said ghold isn't that threating on me team..

[elder knoll]

It is threatening you because it doesn’t let hazards be remove

Which is why you have a negative mu into Ghold + special attacking knockers

They get the crucial boots knock on Bliss + Pex

[quartz lark]

For semi-stall the offensive mon typically deals with threats to stall to even out the defensive space left from going full stall

[elder knoll]

You’d be better off trying to build something similar to that Weezing + Cress + sub dd Kyu team if you really wanna build a Kyurem semi-stall type structure

[quartz lark]

#1297721195604611163 message

@jade cedar

[jade cedar]

?

[tepid hazel]

why is there so many semi stall submissions today what

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/11a55291f6200695

Tried limiting inaccurate move count, hated missing moves

me when Zap

also just made this boots spam so I wouldnt care abt hazards at all, with Lando being my knock absorber

Psyshock Ghold is primarily to break stall since it’s my best answer to it against Clod and well

Blissey

Grass Zap beats Oger in case of t water, and t water on Gking is to beat Wake in cases of emergency too

Pretty reliant on tera, but I think it’s alright

[nocturne sable]

This seems like you want to be Hstack

Ace court change is anti synergy here.

You can make a core of
Alo,pech,Lu,dragonite

That’s a pretty solid core to start with.

Honestly you can make ting Lu double hazards with stealth rock spikes eq ruination since you already have red card.

Pecharunt just regular Tera ghost defensive here.

Goodra can be fine here, AV knock dtail can put in work.

Dragonite can be Tera blast fairy eq here I can’t lie. Good into breaking Lu zama tusk etc.

Now thinking about it, hatterene+additional fast knocker would be ideal here. Maybe one of weavile, wake, meow, rai can work here in the last slot.

[tepid hazel]

yeah but hoodra is like too passive/ it is not used much for a reason

also i do not know about dnite as your hazard stack sweeper of choice

especially here

first thing i realized was lack of immediate power

[tepid hazel]

as good as dragonite is i think something more consistent would be a pokemon that can deal with what you said without tera hogging, and something to justify slotting in hoodra

also you already have like bulk knock tail covered and like why is this not in bulky offense with vest bro

it has vest, but it looks offensive for some reason

[nocturne sable]

I kinda disagree with Hoodra being passive

[tepid hazel]

?

[nocturne sable]

It has a real attack stat and good coverage

[regal ginkgo]

Goodra-Hisui (Gen 9)

Typing

Steel / Dragon

Abilities

0: Sap Sipper | 1: Shell Armor | H: Gooey

Base Stats (BST: 600)

80 / 100 / 100 / 110 / 150 / 60

Weight

334.1 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[nocturne sable]

Flamethrower ice beam flash cannon dragon pulse are good special attacking options

[tepid hazel]

eh not really but i see what you are saying

[nocturne sable]

Max it out in spatk and you get decent damage output

I’m not saying it’s the strongest Mon ever, but it’s capable of dishing out damage

[tepid hazel]

at least for its vest role like at natdexuu i always think of knock in mind due to using it there... do u rly not want the knock slot on it?

[tepid hazel]

like enough? well i mean i just always like a defensive dragon steel... i have used specs on it but mostly just for fun

i bet some form of beam flame and then something for water would be enough but uh yeah(stab dragon or tbolt or something like that first comes to mind but i gueess you would want flash, depending on the squadra)

what would you even use hoodra for> ? what are its buttons

huh i had no idea he was using standard set, damn

yeah i usually go for knock flash draco tail

[nocturne sable]

Anyways I was thinking something like this kinda https://pokepast.es/11fda4a18f6e9484

[tepid hazel]

hm i guess i could test it out

[tepid hazel]

any notable threat on why red card

why is that the rai set you chose

the dark types here for me are not very standard for me to look at... never seen double hazards red card and rai glasses like this with ice beam

[nocturne sable]

Those are standard sets

Red card Lu can be used when it wants to run double hazards

Because it won’t have the space to be clicking ruination

And ting Lu is bulky enough to take hits and red card allows it to phase out mons without having to click a move

Darkrai black glasses is also a set too. Knock off+sucker punch with black glasses gives it a good power boost. Knock removes boots and helmets, sucker punch for priority

Ice beam to hit the flyings like Gliscor Lando

And lastly, strong dark pulses especially with Tera dark

[tepid hazel]

yeah that is pretty obvious, but i just remember that not really being a thing with glasses it is usually boots but i guess glasses makes sense

man, maybe i need to review some viable sets on it again

and like a review on all viable moves for the sets

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/6360fbc989b2636f

Still seeking advice for this team because making a team with Raging Bolt is a real head scratcher for how awkward the mon itself is.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[astral wing]

Hi everyone I'm new to competitive of Pokemon and I wondering if you could help me analyze my sun team please
https://pokepast.es/792ecf1e844a63c6

[final relic]

hm

this doesnt look too bad

tusk should be something like max speed max hp rocks/rapid spin/headlong rush/ice spinner

bolt doesnt need booster since torkoal sets it anyway, just use life orb + 4 attacks

leafeon isnt that great

[astral wing]

Ok thanks

[tardy sparrow]

bump

maybe ribombee should be stun spore over reflect for more consistant value?

[queen saddle]

Ribombee should always be max spatk

Max HP does nothing when ur using a sash bc ur fragile asf

you also probably want tera fight cc ceru

not tblast

your ceru is very tera reliant

You probably want a fast mon like idef Za, since it feels like clear body banded Dragapult can absolutely wreck this team

and I also think sash Ceru is better? Could be wrong

[queen saddle]

Bolt could be calm mind here to use it as a win con imo

Otherwise this looks fine

[tardy sparrow]

thank you for the advice this is very helpful and makes sense the ribombee change is a good spot and tera fight cc does get around similar and different things without tera

i feel like for pult lokix can come in and force it out but against sub pult im a bit screwed

[queen saddle]

Sub isn’t rlly common but I forgot Lokix can check Pult

Just you need to play carefully with rocks too

bc I’ve seen pults carry quick attack with band

[queen saddle]

wanted to bump

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/de8395cc4fc180d7

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[swift pumice]

Thinking about swapping rilla for wellspring and changing ghold's set

Why is bolt 20 attack evs wtf, ok gotta fix that

[final relic]

well this is kinda just a regular bootspam but you have lando over ting lu

id make it that

then you definitely dont need plot rai plot ghold that should be knock off cause you have none of those rn

kinda sucks into tera gambit but this kind of build always will tbh

[final relic]

terrain extender is pretty awful you probably want lorb sd

go like sd glide knock high horsepower

[queen saddle]

that’s the lowest it can go

[queen saddle]

Lando is the best knock absorber for this archetype, no? Lu would take too much spikes damage
so I make Rai a knocker for rocks and plot Ghold my win con?

[final relic]

well the standard is to get your layers up then weaken their team to the point you win before needing to really switch in and out excessively with lu

is the best way i can put it

sometimes theres a clef for knock absorbing purposes

you can drop gking tbh but if you do that you need ice fang za most likely

cc crunch slam icefang

[queen saddle]

I think I get it, so just get it in and lay down those hazards so you win by offense pressure, right?

Appreciate it

[sage barn]

Hi, I haven't been having trouble with this team and it's been working good so far I managed to go up to 1300 but I wanna know if there's anything to improve upon thanks https://pokepast.es/557ed1ce8508933a

[nocturne sable]

You have some pretty basic cores here which is a good start. Tusk Ghold gambit woger is a very common core of mons.

https://pokepast.es/ca96b28719e59602 maybe you can make your team something like this. Glimm will help with hazard setting & hazard control with absorbing Tspikes and mortal spin. Red card will allow you to phase out boosters mons like moth and ival and fish to poisons with Tspikes(with the toxic debris ability).

Zama is generally solid and will give you a check into dark types like rai gambit weavile etc. also synergies well with glimmora Tspikes with roar.

For the rest of the changes, I made tusk booster speed BU taunt to give you an additional wincon. Taunt woger here since you’re non spin tusk and you still need additional hazard control.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/b207629c6378d124 people how can I make this less tera reliant I feel like corv, pech, heatren are really annoying to deal with since serp tera fire or ground won't deal with all of them

[nocturne sable]

Just run Tera ground serp that way you can hit both heatran and pecharunt

Who cares about corviknight bro gets farmed by Ghold and moltres

Btw there is kinda no reason to be bootspam when you have tusk for removal. You can run offensive item zama like a LO or choice band.

You can make Ghold trick recover tbh I don’t think you need that fighting coverage your gambit mu is fine

You can lowkey go colbur gking too

[sage barn]

Okay I see, bulky Samurott lead was something I really liked doing but Glimmy looks fine, I never used Glimmy nor Zamazenta so I'll have to experiment, would the team still work if I keep Rapid Spin on Tusk instead of Taunt though?

Oh wait no there's booster energy

[jade cedar]

oh ok, btw is np an option instead of recover?

[sage barn]

Yeah the Tusk looks fine especially with Glimmora, I think I'll just switch Wokerpon's taunt for SD

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think I have ever seen trick np

[nocturne sable]

Ehh the hazard mu will be rough without rapid spin tusk so I would keep taunt for now

[jade cedar]

does the idea of it seems weird?

[nocturne sable]

Probably, since you won’t have the longevity to make use of nasty plot

Trick Twave trick recover does makes sense but trick nplot ehh

[jade cedar]

wait a sec I just realized something I don't have a ghost resist

[sage barn]

okay i'll do that thanks

[nocturne sable]

Doesn’t make sense to me

[nocturne sable]

Hmm, kinda true. Ceruledge MU looks terrible

Actually not really because you have tusk but still not ideal

Can probably make tusk like Tera fire so it doesn’t heal to full from bitter blade

[jade cedar]

can't I make glowking some like av samu?

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/0b392db386630c1a

Trying to make a Team based around Offensive Chomp and Valiant but im wondering what changes should be made to make it better.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

you kinda

need roost on moltres

do you really need knock val as opposed to like cm if youre already running sd knock waterpon

i don’t like non boots tusk the only removal here, you probably don’t strictly need helmet since moltres is enough for most physical guys

namely dnite

need at least 1 good switchin to opposing waterpon

[torn scroll]

I see maybe putting Mola for Waterpon and switching someone else out.

And what Val set do you think would fit on this team?

[jade cedar]

isn't mola a complete set up fodder for waterpon? it can't scald or flip turn on it

[torn scroll]

It can use the move Tickle on both Ogerpon and D-Nite from setting up or weakening them.

[jade cedar]

on dnite sure but ogerpon can just sd on it, end it and then switch out if there was faster or priority user which your team had none other then val that is temporary

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/7a494ace2a5c858e

I think the team is good but can get rolled pretty quickly if a mon goes down. Any thoughts on how to improve?

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/955660619cc7bbb1

Hopefully this is a bit of a improvement for the Team but Im not sure.

[queen saddle]

now you have no hazard control

Use slowking G and Corvi core over Molt and honestly Woger

Or actually

just use roost dragonite for the woger check

[swift forum]

pretty good team. i would go grassy seed np gholdengo instead of balloon, and maybe av torn instead of glowking since if you change ghold to seed your team doesn't have a ground immunity, but at the same time alo + rilla is probably good enough for most grounds.

[nocturne sable]

Moltres feels odd here, it looks like you want to be an offense with cm Val and garchomp so I’m not sure moltres fits the pace

Maybe offensive meteor beam glimm can work here

[swift forum]

you can prob go cind over moltres

[nocturne sable]

3 attacks mortal spin doesn’t seem bad

[swift forum]

also gives hazard control

[nocturne sable]

I also don’t really like sd pon without playrough

I do like taunt knock woger here though

[torn scroll]

It used to be Mixed Val with Knock until Potato said that SD Woger with Knock is good enough but its just trying to make this team really good and feel they work well with each is making it difficult.

[nocturne sable]

Wait potato rated your team already?

[torn scroll]

Well he gave there suggestions for the team and thats it.

They said molt is fine whilst someone else that Molt isn't good for the team

[nocturne sable]

Hmm k ic yea

He was right about the redundancy with sd knock woger and mixed knock ival

But it seems you changed some team members since, you swapped tusk & Ghold for deo and dnite

That’s pretty much pivoting in a more offensive direction

Pretty significant changes man

[torn scroll]

Yeah but im trying to see what would be good as the suggestions and opinions of others help narrow it down to make it the team good.

[tepid hazel]

what is the idea you are rolling with at the moment?

just sd chomp val?

[torn scroll]

Well the Team is building built around SD Chomp and Valiant

[tepid hazel]

okay, was just wondering

[torn scroll]

For my team building I usually choose 2 Pokémon to make a team based around them and go from there.

[tepid hazel]

i see. Well so far i honestly would not add anything to what @nocturne sable said but there are many directions you could go with it

[torn scroll]

Okay but as you said there's a lot of direction this Team built around only SD Chomp and CM Valiant

[tepid hazel]

i mean you do not really need to go cm for val but you could.... so far the variants i like most with valiant is anything that doesnt run booster lol

i hate using and seeing that item lmfao.

theres literally a meme where you could literally use anything at val for a reason, it has destiny bond for one, its more common ways of trading i like that with booster

[torn scroll]

So which Valiant set would work for this team?

I went with Booster Val is for Speed Control against oppenets that don't have Prioty.

[tepid hazel]

🤔 i mean you can test out swords dance so you have 2 breakers breaking for each other

and then just cover the gaps

[torn scroll]

So your suggesting to have 3 SD users with Chomp, Pon and Valiant?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/b2bb2b79545bb759 this is what I came up with. Something you can try

I was debating whether to put encore on woger or Val but I really like taunt knock woger

[torn scroll]

Seems like a good suggestion but what would be a good sub if I don't use Pon or is it too important subbing it from the team?

[nocturne sable]

I can’t really tell tbh it depends on your experience and what you find yourself struggling with

[torn scroll]

I see cause the only reason I brought that up and asked is because I only have 2 Wogers Since im building these Teams in real time in SV yeah im weird which they're already in Teams and those 2 Wogers a Knock and Rough are already in Teams.

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/ca538ad6f93cb541
the idea was ice weather balls on landorus therian, not gonna lie still thinking about the last move on it.. maybe taunt instead of grass knot?

wait i just used smogon sample sets i forgot to change the sets oops

eh well i just had to replace stone edge with knock off tbh

[tepid hazel]

taht woger set looks pretty cool

[queen saddle]

Imo I don’t really like the Val set here

just feels like your sweep is getting stopped by an average steel even with tsteel

Even Corviknight can just brave bird this

Wouldn’t you much rather prefer shadow ball?

best case I see for psyshock val is against moth and stall

But Oger beats stall down with recovery + taunt

moth is also handled by Glimm unless its psychic or tblast ground

[nocturne sable]

The ival set is mainly for stall

[nocturne sable]

Ival is pretty adjustable you can go cm thunderbolt moonblast

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/94ab36389dbf1924

This has gotta be heat cuz I'm hitting ou peaks

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

may i ask what the peak is

yo w name, i love la squadra as a name,... anyways let me check.

[swift pumice]

~1760

[tepid hazel]

cool!

OH MY GOD

IS THIS JOJO REFERENCES

[swift pumice]

Yeah I think I can finally take out copy of copy of copy of

[tepid hazel]

WHAT

PEAK

[swift pumice]

Blehh

Hand picked and oh so appropriat

[tepid hazel]

they look like they are, they are right 😭

[swift pumice]

e

[tepid hazel]

anyways oh my god let me stop it with my adhd brain and rate wait

[swift pumice]

Go go zeppeli and all that

[tepid hazel]

yeeeeeeee

[undone minnow]

https://pokepast.es/792796c56c589196
I need ALOT of help

[tepid hazel]

let me work on @swift pumice first if no one comes by here and im done with Pencilfart i will rate yorus, also cool zoro pfp

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/f453e92c257c7b6d small changes mainly just turning them into standard sets, i think they are better overall

also making gholdengo bulky nasty plot looks better here @swift pumice

[swift pumice]

Maybe, but you're crazy if you think I'm gonna run ceaseless edge and spikes waterpon together

[tepid hazel]

wait i am dumb oops

i meant to make that taunt

i was just spamming standard sets on it lol

[swift pumice]

Taunt is still kinda wacky, what'd it even be for?

I do think I should fit knock on samu tbf

[tepid hazel]

its mainly just disruption and stallbreaking. also you can just make it more offensive with sd or run like horn leech rather than power whip

[tepid hazel]

may i ask why?

[swift pumice]

I've only got 1 knock off on the team, and it's on frail ass ogerpon

[tepid hazel]

also you can run draco meteor on raging bolt

[swift pumice]

Valiant is my sorta stall breaker, it wins against anything without clodsire

[tepid hazel]

i guess so.

[undone minnow]

tysm

[tepid hazel]

its also jsut good for stopping defog smth ud hate to face and other statuses like hazards, etc that are really annoying for your team

[swift pumice]

Draco might be the way to go, I just love accurate moves

[tepid hazel]

and you can afford to run offensive items on it like goddamn magnet

i love magnet raging bolt

if u go for taunt

thats it for recommendations.

[swift pumice]

I may bring some on board

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/bf12f8481bacb120

[swift pumice]

Yeah boots pivot doesn't feel totally correct

[tepid hazel]

okay this should be no fuck ups and i changed the set rather than just pasting a sample i have

yeah i love magnet A LOT

also run discharge @swift pumice

but if u need the power to kil something keep thunderbolt

magnet helps mitigate the discharge BP drop

for more para fishing

[swift pumice]

Definitely wanna opt for power

[tepid hazel]

thats it!

[swift pumice]

Don't really need to fish

[tepid hazel]

alrighty!

your choice, i just like that on bulky offense hahaha

this is more frail, so maybe power is the way to go

[limber spear]

mind if i ask don’t u want a flyer even in like offense type of stuff

[tepid hazel]

another good discharge abuser is zapdos, alongside rotomo-wash

[tepid hazel]

never really thought of it ngl

i usually just do my best to improve whats in front of me lol

ngl u can ditch woger for a flying i think, i like dnite here.

[swift pumice]

Eh, it's been working so far, I'd need to overhaul the whole team by now to fit one in

[tepid hazel]

i mean a flying type is good since earthquake and ground coverage is everywhere.

[swift pumice]

I'm generally good into ground mons anyway

[tepid hazel]

idk abt woger being ur ground check

it dies to set up basically

[tepid hazel]

ig so.

[swift pumice]

Lando is slow, treads dies to everything, Tusk is occasionally an issue but valiant, ghold and pon can deal

Excadrill is scary, no excuse there

[tepid hazel]

well your main concerns is like tera ground attackers basically, youd really hate that.

i think just slapping a dnite and testing that is not a bad idea per say

[limber spear]

is dnite> bolt not good here

[tepid hazel]

just change razor shell to flip turn i think

[tepid hazel]

oh that is also an idea yeah

i just like the bolt here

[limber spear]

like bulky dtail or dd here works

[tepid hazel]

i think silk scarf e speed is funny

but yeah both works

[limber spear]

nvm just go dd

[limber spear]

silk scarf is like i personally feel like it’s p weird outside of hatt elephants

[tepid hazel]

i mean u can run like tail e speed coverage roost and it can cover some team gaps

[tepid hazel]

i see.

noted

i had no idea u like hatte on silk scarf

[limber spear]

what

😭 😭 😭

[tepid hazel]

i just slap it on anything with chip damage as progress

lol

[swift pumice]

I kinda need bolt for zapdos, otherwise it comes in on everything

[tepid hazel]

usually opting to run 2 hazard removal

not hatte

why do i not go hatte, lol.

OWO

[limber spear]

maybe need tera ground or rockslide here?

or like woger ival sees ok to replace ig

[tepid hazel]

wait what does tera ground dnite usually run again

i forgor

is it just standard

[limber spear]

uh wtv u want

[tepid hazel]

bruh, this dnite thing why is it so versatile lol

istg

i wanna ban it

for real

its ival versatile basically with multiscale and goddamn strong priority and bulk in a nutshell

WHY

doesnt have ivals speed and typing, but still!

[swift pumice]

Still a little awkward, I'd have to commit tera ground without bolt, and that's my tera gone on preview

[tepid hazel]

i mean if we remove woger whats our problems by then?

[swift pumice]

Lack of woger lol

[tepid hazel]

just lets say we slap dnite on there and ditch woger

[tepid hazel]

LMFAO

so no grass stab and strong cudgels, no water absorb u turns and like losing a knocker

basically

hm, i thin kdnite can be better lol

[swift pumice]

Yeahhhh that's a lot to lose

Pivot, coverage and kock off gone

[tepid hazel]

hm...

[swift pumice]

And burst damage too

[tepid hazel]

yeah give me asec

[limber spear]

is it dumb to go specs ival scarf dengo and then torn over woger

[tepid hazel]

never had a good puzzle to solve for a while now

[swift pumice]

Magnet draco is definitely coming

[tepid hazel]

🤔 i mean like

i think ghold would have to change alot due to scarf and the gameplans would change but i see the vision

now we need good speed control on the last slot right @limber spear

[jade cedar]

sup feeshh

[swift pumice]

You're going too crazy son

[tepid hazel]

wait what else are we gonna lose

[tepid hazel]

let us cook. u asked for a rating lol

[limber spear]

hi

[swift pumice]

They're tearing my boy apart

[tepid hazel]

@limber spear so if we do that what do we lose

[tepid hazel]

yes/ lol

[jade cedar]

wait what team?

[tepid hazel]

and hopefully reassemble it to be better

[tepid hazel]

@jade cedar

[limber spear]

encore and like maybe wincon depending on the torn set

[tepid hazel]

woger has encore

we can go sd encore?

[limber spear]

i mean if we go torn>woger

[tepid hazel]

sure

[swift pumice]

I'd have to rely even harder on bolt for the birds then

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/8668d0ad3116370c

@limber spear

[tepid hazel]

can never go wrong with some overload problems lol

[jade cedar]

feel like the team is tad too weak to fairy like ghold being the only resist doesn't completely help

[limber spear]

there is ig tbolt ival and icy wind torn

but then tres is

spdef*

[tepid hazel]

you could make the tera on bolt like bug

wait what am i saying

why did i say bug LOL

[jade cedar]

actually to be fair bug is used to resist ground

[swift pumice]

That's true, ival is occasionally a problem, but hatte hasn't ever been a big issue and there's barely any prima around

[tepid hazel]

that a good tera then just woger it so it solves the ground problem

[jade cedar]

enam

scarf

[tepid hazel]

okay let me do the tera bug bolt idea wait, hm

shiiiiiiiiii

[swift pumice]

We don't talk about her

[tepid hazel]

how is there 4 people cooking a team right now lol

here

lmfao

[swift pumice]

This is way more than the most attention a team has ever gotten lol

[jade cedar]

maybe make tusk a treads

[swift pumice]

The council sees potential

[swift pumice]

Now this I'm open to

[tepid hazel]

real

[jade cedar]

or samu into a glowking since you need another fairy resist anyway

[tepid hazel]

welp il leave it up to u guys im gonna help the salamence guy out

@undone minnow

[swift pumice]

Tusk already loses to lando and Tusk anyway, does treads get ice spinner? Nice dnite option

[tepid hazel]

your team is very random

[jade cedar]

yes

[swift pumice]

Muh hazards!

[tepid hazel]

what do you want me to keep @undone minnow

what type of team do u want? offensive? defensive>? in the middle?

yeah, now i just wait i guess ⌚

[swift pumice]

Eh I don't really need to worry against dnite anyway, I've got other stuff

[jade cedar]

if you want spikes just make oger the utility set

[swift pumice]

Gotta take it slowwww, think I'll try treads and see how it goes

Stealth rock, rapid spin, hmmmm

[jade cedar]

also that bolt set, what does it outsped exactly to not just go full spa and spe?

[limber spear]

prolly eq+spinner/knlcl

[swift pumice]

Gambit, ursaluna, certain ghold and samu sets

The bulk is nice, eats moonblasts and earthquakes

[jade cedar]

oo ok

[jade cedar]

💀

[swift pumice]

They're never ready for bolt as an emergency ival counter

[tepid hazel]

real

who does

i would be so shocked myself.

[swift pumice]

Can't stress that it's an emergency though

Shot in the dark to clutch a losing game type shit

[jade cedar]

252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 120 HP / 0 SpD Raging Bolt: 324-384 (76.9 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[swift pumice]

Boom

[tepid hazel]

lol

[jade cedar]

252+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Iron Valiant: 283-334 (97.9 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[tepid hazel]

watch them crit

[jade cedar]

sure but if it's slightly chipped rip

[tepid hazel]

they go first, watch them crit

[swift pumice]

Magnet

That's actually a crazy calc damn, didn't know he was chill like that

[jade cedar]

252+ SpA Magnet Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Iron Valiant: 264-312 (91.3 - 107.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO interesting but what if they encore or set up?

[swift pumice]

I'm willing to take that gamble

[jade cedar]

anyone who see you switching raging bolt on it will know you're going for a thunderclap so they set up but you gamble and go thunderbolt

[swift pumice]

I run encore val, I know mindgames

Then live a moonblast

It was rigged from the start

[jade cedar]

and rng screws you and you get spa nerf

[swift pumice]

Crit back

Magnet bolt gonna be funnn

Threads swapping in as a "bolt counter" just to take 3 from rocks, 25 from spikes and 40 from draco

[jade cedar]

ok then, fair warning I feel subtect kyu is going to be annoying, also just make sure you have another fairy resist

[tepid hazel]

i honestly hate mind games, i prefer a simple trading plan. Probably why i like bulky offense.. i hate crits and disruption tho lol

[swift pumice]

Subtect kyu is annoying to everything, we all hate him

[swift pumice]

I like being the one with 8 thunderclaps and not the gambit that has to predict all 8 correctly

[tepid hazel]

lol

not gonna lie i do not think much on ladder, i only think 3 steps ahead on tourneys if i ever join one again

otherwise, nah

i hate overthinking it

i click move it do damage oonga boonga

[queen saddle]

spdef Moltres walls subtect and beats it w whirlwind btw 🙏

People gotta use spdef Molt more trust 🙏

[quartz lark]

Man United
https://pokepast.es/699f66875a906aab

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

washtom is probably too passive here ngl

i think something like cress or enam are just better here

[quartz lark]

Going with cress

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/22d2131a19116915
https://pokepast.es/f773e2fee1a0e1bc which one is better

[queen saddle]

Holy shit +2 zama on entry is tuff

anyways pretty sure you like Enam

although consider extender

[jade cedar]

to be fair that was testing that, I'm more likely sticking with just lefties since rilla is banded

[queen saddle]

Probably better yeah

You prefer more longevity

But honestly it’s like

genuinely such a cool idea

I might use it

Because you could have a backup dauntless shield or idef on switch in

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/393724492e95ee7f Ceruledge HO

I made Zama heavy slam over crunch because of the support from Ceru + Gmolt allowing it to drop dark coverage

And I put tera poison on Gmolt for toxic immune + fairy resist

[undone minnow]

any way I can make my emerald team into a sv ou team?

[swift forum]

no, manectric isn't in sv

also this is probably the wrong channel for that

[grim cobalt]

Nat Dex OU is better for that cuz it has Manectric

but regardless, this is prob the wrong channel even if u go to ND OU

[native aurora]

https://pokepast.es/88e372f12aa55a89

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pseudo path]

Hi yall

Im very bad at ou but im learning https://pokepast.es/79c36c2771f1e8f5

[pseudo path]

I can explain

😭

[elder knoll]

😭

[knotty sundial]

why does this rain team have 1 rain abuser (other than the setter) and why doesn't pelipper have damp rock

not the right channel (#comp-general )

[pseudo path]

I honestly

Dont know

Good idea

[gray karma]

Iron treads > Tusk
Damp Rock> Heavy-duty Boots

Also use smth like Barraskewda, Overqwil etc

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/3d60cbdfa2e206cf