SV OU Rates

[queen saddle]

You can try out tera steel, grass, or water
I like grass on sand solely for Woger, because it’s very easy for tera water woger to break through Zapdos
And run thunder wave over thunderbolt

[sand belfry]

on zapdos right

[queen saddle]

that way Woger goes from manageable to quite definitely beatable

[queen saddle]

yeah

[sand belfry]

okay

[queen saddle]

Your woger set is perfectly fine, love it, no need to change it

and then for your final mon I’d go with the advice from quacc and add a Zamazenta, since Weavile can be a threat, along with Kyurem, and Zamazenta having suitable speed control

use an idef set, the standard one

forgot to add, but change your tera types on your mons

[sand belfry]

oh i forgot

sorry

[queen saddle]

You’re good

Excadrill can keep ground if you want explosive power with each earthquake, but generally ghost is preferred
Ground is pretty common though

[sand belfry]

wait are you allowed to use more than 2 legendaries

i thought it was only two

[queen saddle]

yeah this isn’t vgc lol dw

[sand belfry]

oh okay good

[paper vine]

restricted in ou is just banned to ubers/ag lmao

[queen saddle]

yeah what he said

or she I dunno ur pronouns

lel

[sand belfry]

oh okay

i wanted to start playing pokemon again cus

i havent played since i was a kid

but the teambuilding stuff is confusing

[queen saddle]

honestly you had the right idea for a first team

[paper vine]

there are no perfect teams

[queen saddle]

and it wasn’t bad at all it had the right mons

just stuff needed to be changed

[queen saddle]

yeah exactly

[sand belfry]

tysm for the help

[queen saddle]

Npnp keep laddering and do your best

learn because Pokémon is hard

don’t take losses too deeply and keep practicing

[sand belfry]

kk will do

thank you

<3

[queen saddle]

You’re welcome

[outer shard]

wow we did make similar teams

we should battle and see whos the best

[sand belfry]

nuh uh

im gonna win anyways cus im the best

[queen saddle]

it’d be good practice actually, you guys could
take this to dms or #comp-general tho

[outer shard]

my bad

[queen saddle]

np

[outer shard]

wait if i was to use the team u made for her

who could i use as a replacement for zamazenta

cus i hate that pokemon

@sand belfry sorry if i misgendered u

[queen saddle]

I wouldnt replace anything with Za

[sand belfry]

im a her its okay

[queen saddle]

Za is a perfect mon in OU really

literally it’s only
walled by Pecharunt

but depending on the set it breaks a lot of things

If anything again, I’d do the changes Quacc said

[outer shard]

i see

[queen saddle]

Skarm and Prim over Zap and Woger

Prim gives you a less sustainable water resist imo but

Skarm gives you your BEST answer

or one of the best

to Woger

[paper vine]

is cs zammy the fastest body press user

[queen saddle]

You could run spikes whirlwind brave bird roost skarm or idef bodypress

but idef bodypress Za means you’d want spikes

and with Ghold you spin block easily

[queen saddle]

Pretty sure yeah

Best user of body press in the game

[paper vine]

still makes me upset that zacian gets more love

uglier dog

[outer shard]

okay great

[nocturne sable]

?? Isn’t this literally just a copy paste of the other team

[queen saddle]

lol

[nocturne sable]

Like this is literally a straight up copying of the other sets except they added woger which was a suggestion quacc made

[fringe herald]

My first showdown team https://pokepast.es/032e701275aea738 (some of this was token from smogon and its a little all over the place)

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

id suggest you run some sample teams first

theres a lot of unviable mons here

[inner terrace]

so generally speaking when you have screens you want offensive mons, you have a lot of defensive pieces like blissey and garganacl

froslass and whimsicott are also not good

if you want like a good ninetales team i can give one

Ability: Quark Drive  
Tera Type: Ground  
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Fiery Dance  
- Sludge Wave  
- Tera Blast  
- Substitute  

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay  
Ability: Snow Warning  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 140 HP / 116 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Aurora Veil  
- Encore  
- Freeze-Dry  
- Snowscape  

Garchomp @ Loaded Dice  
Ability: Rough Skin  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Swords Dance  
- Scale Shot  
- Earthquake  
- Fire Fang  

Ceruledge @ Life Orb  
Ability: Weak Armor  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Swords Dance  
- Bitter Blade  
- Shadow Sneak  
- Poltergeist  

Hatterene (F) @ Covert Cloak  
Ability: Magic Bounce  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe  
Bold Nature  
- Calm Mind  
- Draining Kiss  
- Psychic Noise  
- Nuzzle  

Zamazenta @ Leftovers  
Ability: Dauntless Shield  
Tera Type: Fire  
EVs: 128 Atk / 128 Def / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Iron Defense  
- Body Press  
- Crunch  
- Roar  

[final relic]

yeah generally on veil/screens teams you want mostly offense+ enough hazards denial like hatt here or maybe spin tusk

[inner terrace]

yeah

so like this team above, it's not mine it's a tour team

it has 5 setup mons (you dont always need 5 but just having as many as you can is the point)

and then a lotta these mons are really good in terms of hazard control (hatt), you have a gambit answer with zama, lots of fast mons in zama moth, ceru can weak armor speed boost, garchomp can speed boost

[fringe herald]

Back to the drawing board I guess. Thanks for the tips!

[inner terrace]

np

i do think for a beginner screens is kinda hard to build if you're starting out

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/5ce5b23a219d0b14

Tried making a Team based around Iron Moth and Woger however I feel like the team i built isn't good since I choose Pokémon i thought would be good on it but I would love the advice for this team.

[inner terrace]

moth and pon work really well together but it's more of an offensive core

i would put it more on an offense

corv and gking are too slow for this type of team

you want to make this like an HO so any hazards lead (lando could be good here) and then i'd add kingambit

then replace dnite with zama

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/a7370474f3ee01d2 primarina pech core hazard stack, any improvements to make?

[inner terrace]

actually

hm

yeah i think my suggestions are fine if u run ep lando

and then make the kyurem a setup set

mixed could work

[inner terrace]

kinda weak to ghosts i think

kingambit over ceru

then replace glisc here

zapdos could work

or moltres

moltres prolly better here

[worn lark]

Hazard stack though

He’s my spiker

[worn lark]

Hm i didnt think of that actually, will do

[proud lake]

https://pokepast.es/d3473a563d81603d - First team ive ever made myself. Ive never been good at the game. Ive made it to 1500 elo with it. Looking for opinions on it

[worn lark]

Should i do black glasses or leftovers

[torn scroll]

So something like this?

https://pokepast.es/b064d3bbc6559853

[inner terrace]

lefties

also no spikes is fine

you dont have a great knocker anyways

[worn lark]

Ig

[inner terrace]

pech moreso is a pivot for prim here

[inner terrace]

yes

[worn lark]

Do i just make it a normal bulky offense then

[inner terrace]

yeah

i mean u already have a BO

[worn lark]

K 👍

[inner terrace]

gking is a weird slot here

you want a more offensive mon with this structure

i would replace it with something like a tusk

make val a booster set

and make gren battle bond

you can even run sd battle bond with lorb upper hand gunk shot liquidation

[proud lake]

gotcha
I was running protean choice because it really caught people off guard, espcially in leads, and it was an easy ko for me
The glowking was because i thought i needed a special wall type mon

[inner terrace]

generally dont need walls on HO

in fact u dont run walls on HO ever u just have good offensive mons with sometimes decent defensive utility

like bolt

[outer shard]

i ended up using zama but ive noticed that i dont really have anything to deal with dragons

apart from uh ice punch

on my tyranitar

https://pokepast.es/83eb7ffefac0745e

heres the team i forgot

oops

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[tacit bluff]

I'd reccomend taking the sample sets on the smogon strategy dex

Cause some of these sets and evs are a bit odd

The Zamazenta one especially

[outer shard]

kk

[tacit bluff]

Also remember to put tera types!

[knotty sundial]

you have play rough on zama for one

other than that, you don't have moves that are super effective against dragon, but you have moves that are super effective against common dragon-types (make it rain for kyurem; rock slide and stone edge for kyurem and dragonite; shadow ball, knock off, and crunch for dragapult; earthquake for raging bolt, etc)

[outer shard]

idk which ones are good..

[outer shard]

is play rough bad?

i didnt know what else to pick

im sorry

[knotty sundial]

don't be sorry lol, play rough is unusual on IronPress Zamazenta, I was just pointing out that you do have it as a way to hit dragons

but yeah if you check the strategy dex it'll give you ideas for the fourth slot

[tacit bluff]

Strategy dex should help 👍

Iron press commonly runs smth like steel or fire

[knotty sundial]

or like roar

[gray karma]

Also fairy teracrystal on gholdengo imo or smth like that so u don't get annoyed that much by gambit

[inner terrace]

ghold is good vs dragons

exca can revenge them too

the only dragons that are really relevant are like dnite and kyurem which you should be fine into both

bolt you're fine into

wake you're for sure fine into

pult is pult and you should be fine into that too

[inner terrace]

run tera fire roar

with max speed max defense

jolly

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/86cadb7ccd0efd29

Currently going through some old teams i made and admittedly this team isn't the best one I have since i tried to make it around Garg and Glowking but the way it has preformed in past battles wasn't very good, so im hoping advice here will give it a total restructure and help it preform better.

[regal ginkgo]

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[frail sun]

https://pokepast.es/d469df8a9f07ac0f

[nocturne sable]

This type of 6 mons looks pretty standard what’s exactly the problems you’re facing

From a glance I’m going to assume mons like waterpon kingambit are a problem

Since now looking at it yea you kinda just lose to kingambit

[torn scroll]

It feels too slow and it has a problem being easily delt with in certain cases.

But thats how I view my team imo.

[frail sun]

Is that for my team

[torn scroll]

No my team

[nocturne sable]

Makes sense.

Treads glowking garg on the same team then you have odd one like sd knock pon which makes the pace of the team awkward.

https://pokepast.es/5ac8cfcf586ddf9f ‘maybe look into something like this.

Dnite+woger+tusk is a commonly spammed core that overwhelms a lot of physically defensive cores. Gking+tusk as anchor mons then dnite+woger+garg as wincons then Dragapult for cleaning

[torn scroll]

Sounds like good advice for this team restructuring and how to apply each mon in future battles, though if I didn't Woger here what other mon would work for this team out of curiosity.

[nocturne sable]

You can look at mons like kingambit or teal mask-Ogerpon in place of woger

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/38794e1d0d8a4c62

feels bad for some reason

[nocturne sable]

What you struggling with specifically

I can definitely see the lack of dragon resist and a real raging bolt switch in on this team

Usually why you want mons like hatt/treads on structures like these

[jade cedar]

to be fair I had in mind putting treads instead of tusk but like that the dark mu is hell

[frail sun]

https://pokepast.es/d469df8a9f07ac0f

[nocturne sable]

Why are you running boots hex pult if you’re already double removal.

Run a real breaker set like LO/choice band or specs.

But like other than that this is just standard balance with Okidogi slapped onto it so it should work kinda

[winged topaz]

trying to learn teambuilding by fleshing out established cores without any other context than the core itself. here's how i worked with CB Hoopa-U and HDB Future Sight Glowking (breaker core), what is there to improve?
https://pokepast.es/d83daf6ec2f1c374

[regal ginkgo]

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[swift forum]

adding hazard stack is very redundant, you already have enough power, basically the idea is that when hoopa comes in on something it forces a kill. subtect kyurem doesn't really fit this build, i guess you want to lure glowking which is a good idea but you would probably rather have some fairy like enam.

your team has no speed control. if you replace kyurem with scarf enam that also ends up working out

your team has 3 physdef pokemon and they're all kinda passive. no disrespect this tusk set is terrible. just use the standard set. pech overlaps significantly with glowking so you can delete it. skarm is kinda redundant as well, i would replace it with zapdos for another guy to bait in glowking and you can even pivot.

idk what to put last then but alo would probably be nice, baits in glowking and pivots, helps keep your guys healthy, woger is fine since you have zap (probably go tera grass or dragon just in case)

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/ef148f2e33942458

Is this team still good?

[nocturne sable]

This is definitely not bad for someone trying to learn. However as a person above said already there’s a lot of redundancy like 3 physical walls and subtect Kyu doesn’t directly fit the pace of this team.

I like the core of hoopa+glowking & tusk as anchors. However we probably have to change the tusk set to be more offensive. Max speed with Rocky helmet can work here.

Then we can ditch skarmory & pecharunt for something like cinderace & Zapdos. Mons that would actually fit the pace of the team. Zapdos can be physdef here ace can be offensive sucker punch for priority. Lastly as the guy above said Scarf enam isn’t a bad suggestion here over subtect kyurem as it actually gives you some sort of speed control

https://pokepast.es/6a5dd05d1c4a5979 something like this kinda. Although me personally here I would greed with no court change and just go 4 attacks ace here with like gunk shot, low kick/sucker punch, U-turn, pyro ball

[nocturne sable]

Looks very passive to me. I don’t get why you’re going the hazard stack route when you have nothing to block hazard removal

[left wolf]

Rate my doubles ou team
Shining diamond (Diancie) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Diamond Storm
• Body Press
• Gyro Ball
• Tera Blast

Dirty bubble (Reuniclus) (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Recover
• Shadow Ball
• Psychic
• Trick Room

Leaf lady (Lurantis) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Superpower
• Tera Blast
• Leaf Blade
• Protect

Winnie the pooh (Ursaluna) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Facade
• Headlong Rush
• Drain Punch
• Protect

Wicked witch (Hatterene) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Mystical Fire
• Dazzling Gleam
• Psychic

#1 wolfe fan (Incineroar) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz

[nocturne sable]

Wrong channel.

Go to #1051236342740308089 and go to doubles OU rate

[left wolf]

There's no doubles ou channel though

I've checked

[nocturne sable]

There’s smogon doubles rates

You can go to that

[left wolf]

Ok, thanks

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/26f184fd8893a937

[inner terrace]

this was an old sample with some weird sets to me

so like

ice fang is definitely not good on tusk

as a team i mean it probably could work

but it's kinda been shown teams like these can lose to gambit pretty easily if you arent careful

[inner terrace]

this team is kinda lacking speed to it

make it plot pech and then make the ting a zama i think

and have rocks tusk

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/df826fdbf7173502

[gray karma]

the team looks interesting but u should change the moveset, lemme recommend some

Weavile :
Triple Axel over Ice Spinner
Low Kick over Brick Break
Pressure over Pickpocket

Garganacl :
Earthquake over Body Press, Stealth Rock or Curse over Protect

Great Tusk :
Ice Spinner over Knock Off to counter Dragonite. Tera Ghost or Tera Steel

Zapdos :
Discharge over Volt Switch or Thunder Wave/Heat Wave over U-Turn

Hatterene :
Play Calm Mind, Mystical Fire, Draining Kiss and Psyshock/Psychic Noise

Also maybe try to put a Ghost Type over Alomomola like Gholdengo or Dragapult but this not rly mandatory, I like to play Ghost type to block Rapid Spin, Gholdengo also block Defog due to his ability

[turbid kelp]

I don't like how inconsistent axel is, expecially on something as frail as Weavile I want to know for sure if something kills, also don't understand why pressure but aight
https://pokepast.es/c8a79f9353b5b36b

I feel pretty weak to gambit to I want to keep body press

[limber spear]

pressure prevents u from stealing bad items

like specs

[limber spear]

if u want better gambit mu and want bp should go idbp with tera water+phy def zap for pon and also max speed dengo for some speed creep/tie

also 52 speed on hatt for garg

dengo dont rlly want to be tera steel outside of coat iirc

zap prolly can be non boots if u trust the removal (prolly both is fine

[hardy crown]

https://pokepast.es/0a5f4d6204b33859
e

[regal ginkgo]

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[inner terrace]

so uh this is kinda unviable sorry

not a lot of good mons in here

if you go to ou room then type "/rfaq sand" it should give you good sand examples

[hexed moon]

why?

[inner terrace]

your team is very slow

fastest mon is waterpon

[hexed moon]

Yes, but I have two priorities, Extreme Speed ​​and Sucker Punch, and I have checks for fast Pokémon in that tier

Isn't that enough?

[inner terrace]

imo i think you need more

having omly prio for something like rai is kinda suspect

some teams get away with it but i think it's best to have more speed control for now

[hexed moon]

That makes sense, but if I do what you said, I'll be left without any special defenses

[inner terrace]

i think dnite gambit are really good anti cheese vs most special threats

also make ur pon knock off

it can be knock over horn leech or uturn

or sd

up to you

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/01e571c485023972

What's missing to complete this team?

[nocturne sable]

We don’t rate incomplete teams. If you want help teambuilding go to #comp-general

Anyways based on the mons you picked out your last 2 is probably dragonite and slowking-galar.

[knotty sundial]

https://pokepast.es/412aa078923df95e

[regal ginkgo]

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[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/78b6fd61b4d2de3e

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/39d835e2a2930e56 Why it suck now :(((

[bright plinth]

guys any changes to this team? https://pokepast.es/fee7730c2b4f2988 i am finding problems with Thundurus

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[lost stag]

Hello, here's my first ever OU SV Team: https://pokepast.es/a39df5af45de169c
Been a casual player for years and just began my journey in competitive pokemon

[jade cedar]

to be fair it doesn't look bad, but I think this team can better go as an HO, get rid of tusk and make deoxys-s either screens or hazard, removal dnite for a special set up since you only have ghold to do special damage

[lost stag]

Alright, I'll try that out

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/7fd3771923c0d2a3

[gray karma]

This team is really decent but u have some moveset or tera problems

I recommend you to choose the sample moveset of Galarian Slowking, the pivot one

For Kingambit u can put the Swords Dance moveset, I prefer bulky one with max HP

12 SpAtk on Zapdos aren't rly necessary so u can put max defense

In Samurott u can put Sacred Sword to counter Gambits and u can put Tera Poison to 2hko Waterpon

For Kyurem u can use the Specs moveset or the Mixed Attacker one

[limber crystal]

I had to use knock off on samu out of stall paranoia 😭

[gray karma]

oh, yah knock off is mainly useful against Stall but erm, I'm not the biggest fan of ts of being walled by dark or steel types

[limber crystal]

Yeah I suppose you’re right

I’ll take your advice into consideration

Thanks a bunch

[gray karma]

ywyw

[nocturne sable]

Actually it’s already max defence and Zapdos doesn’t run max hp for odd hp so it takes less than 25% from rocks

[gray karma]

Oh

I didn't see it was max def bcz I mainly see ppl putting less in defense to put more in another stat like speed or spatk

[nocturne sable]

Yea max speed offensive Zapdos is a thing

[jade cedar]

with boots right?

[nocturne sable]

Yes ofc

[nocturne sable]

Btw I don’t get why you’re going the bootspam route if you have removal. The only Mon needs boots here is Zapdos. You can make great tusk rocky helmet & kyurem choice specs.

If you’re running recovery item on glowking black sludge has more value than leftovers especially with trick as you can use it to cripple to other mons.

As the other person said above you need to adjust your Tera types and movesets, as they are kinda unoptimal.

https://pokepast.es/fe6a1d5bac69b217 here kinda made it more optimal.

[bright plinth]

anything? i just want a good replacement for thundurus and if anything can be changed please tell me https://pokepast.es/fee7730c2b4f2988

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[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/b6b207886dd075b0

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/4783c602470a551a

who can i change rillaboom for here

zamasenta iron press ?

[elder knoll]

try Glimm over Moth

I'd also go for ada PR Woger
also for the Rai set Goltres might better but it can't hurt to test out Rai

[elder knoll]

Zama is good but I'm not sure AV Hatt + Corv here fits

[sterile jay]

what could i change it for

i like corv i do would like to keep it

[elder knoll]

What is your vision for the team?

[sterile jay]

hatterene can go honestly

[elder knoll]

like

what did you built around?

[sterile jay]

choice band ogerpon

[elder knoll]

and how does the team want to accomplish its goals?

[sterile jay]

ideally the plan is ogerpon can come in when the other team is weakened thanks to its teammates

that why i got pecharunt for toxic and pivot

corv for pivot and ground inmmunity on the foes that pecharunt cant resist

and hatterene as a special wall w nuzzle

[elder knoll]

Ok so we want to build a pivot spam basically?

[sterile jay]

basically more or less

grassy terrain rilla is prob gonna have to go

[elder knoll]

alr so what switches into

band Oger

[sterile jay]

while it does keep momentum w u turn

pecharunt mostly

and corviknight

even gholdengo cant switch it into it

[elder knoll]

alr so we need to pair with a guy who can beat Pecharunt/Corv/Moltres/Zap then

[sterile jay]

also like amoongus but not too concerned since its not common to see it on ladder and i got magic bounce

[elder knoll]

yeah mushroom is whatever

[sterile jay]

dragapult w choice specs is able to break trough both corv and pecharunt

i like it a lot here

also the speed is nice

[elder knoll]

ok so we can keep Pult then

[sterile jay]

for the birds i def need something on rillaboom slot

or hatterene

i am not just sure what to put in those slots to be honest

i need a special wall for sure

and grassy terrain aint that needed after thinking on it so

[elder knoll]

yeah I agree the Rilla slot can go

is there any common mon these 3 struggle with?

[sterile jay]

those three together ? not at all really maybe zapdos or moltres

[elder knoll]

how do these handle Kyurem and Gambit

[sterile jay]

oh true

if its physical kyurem pecharunt do

agaisnt special i had hatterene

but it aint that great in the role

[elder knoll]

yeah

so we need removal for a pivot spam right?

and we need a gambit check

[sterile jay]

gambit i never had much problem with so far

body press corv

[elder knoll]

ye but you have no elec immunity

[sterile jay]

truee

[elder knoll]

so volt switch is giga free

[sterile jay]

sad that there are no special ground walls

[elder knoll]

ye so we can make down with tusk for now

[sterile jay]

thats fair

wait

what i am talking about

ting lu

[elder knoll]

you can def think about a Lu

but you need removal elsewhere then

[sterile jay]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[sterile jay]

defog body press corv

[elder knoll]

gholdengo

😭

[sterile jay]

i mean ting lu kinda walls it

unless it runs focus

[knotty sundial]

ideally you have a form of removal that can threaten ghold

like a tusk

[elder knoll]

ye but you die long term to spikes then

since you have 2 pivots

you switch frequently

[sterile jay]

truee

tho i will test both lung and corv/tusk and next mon we decide here

what mon you suggest as a special wall here ?

alongside tusk

[elder knoll]

I mean if you go tusk

ideally you want something that helps into Bolt

maybe a fairy type or ghost resist

[sterile jay]

thats a hard box to fit ngl

[elder knoll]

ye

[sterile jay]

zarude ?

[elder knoll]

nah lol

😭

[sterile jay]

understandable

i had to throw something in lmao

[elder knoll]

😭

[sterile jay]

tho besides i really wanna test zarude in the future but thats for another team anyway

[elder knoll]

it does best on sun or hazard stack

[sterile jay]

truee

jungle healing tough

anyway

back to the last slot

idk maybe av tyranitar or something like that ?

not av but like

tyranitar in general

tough i do like av tar

really good mon

[elder knoll]

could work or smthing like Tink/Fairy garg

[sterile jay]

ironically

originally this team has tinkaton

[elder knoll]

lmao

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/93fc3a9ba90d7267

this was the team but it got hard walled by corviknight and i didnt end up liking how it played

[elder knoll]

yeah

i could see that

heatran could work here asw

it's weird but it helps into moth

which you're a bit weak into rn

up to you

test and modify as needed

[sterile jay]

nicee tyy goat i will

i do wanna test the ting lu corv version too

what do you think is a good offensive mons that covers there ?

[elder knoll]

as in what fits with Ting-Lu Corv?

[sterile jay]

yeaah like

[elder knoll]

Ace is a good fit

if you don't want to double ground since you need removal

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/8ed9289bc66aebc4

if i run it something like this

[sterile jay]

ace ? always been bad w abreviations ngl

[fringe herald]

My first (unfinished) rain team https://pokepast.es/2a1a8fb8a4d2e4c1

[elder knoll]

Cinderace

[sterile jay]

ok will try tyy goat

[elder knoll]

go for Plot Pecha then tho

since that team has no wincon otherwise

😭

[sterile jay]

truee your right lmao

[elder knoll]

idk what Lanturn does

but you need a gambit check somewhere

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/ed8f66b982da2056

got two teams

https://pokepast.es/10318a409e1bf8cc

ngl i could also maybe switch cinderace for a win con

[sterile jay]

imma try big man zamasenta

[fringe herald]

👍

ill try gambit

[elder knoll]

try hydrei over Corv on the heatran team

[sterile jay]

i will tyy for the help goat

also holyy i forgot zamasenta was this good lmao

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/9e7e1d98fc12e271

[elder knoll]

looks okish

but I'd make Zap grass for Woger

[knotty sundial]

bump

[wooden geode]

Anyone got a slitherwing team 😭 🙏

[nocturne sable]

Pinkstork you’re back! 😮

[frosty plinth]

I got one (it's not mine; it's an edited version of someones RMT I fixed for them)
I can send it over, did decent for me in 1700 +

[frosty plinth]

Not the greatest ever doe

[elder knoll]

ok this is a pretty cool team ngl

Im not sure how good it would be without testing

but there's one or two things generally speaking you want here

• Boots tusk cause you don't want your only removal to die to spikes
• smthing at Zama speed or faster

Rai also prob should be a knocker here it's generally better at it then Samu or Tusk

Offensive Zapdos or Zapdos in general + something that can beat garg looks kinda of annoying asw but i think it should be playable

sub Kyu also looks a lil bit hard esp if it's tera steel flash
torn-t/bolt also lowk might be a menace into you

[knotty sundial]

like over wisp?

[elder knoll]

well there a couple of options

over wisp is an option tho

[knotty sundial]

hm

[elder knoll]

Darkrai @ Black Glasses
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 96 Atk / 160 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Dark Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Knock Off

this is a SZ spread for knock Rai

it helps into stall

4th move slot is flexible to whatever you need

Sucker/psyshock/focus blast/sludge/wisp etc.

generally speaking tho ice beam is mandatory on knock Rai so you don't get blocked from knocking by Gliscor

[knotty sundial]

ah fair

[elder knoll]

everything else is whatever

[knotty sundial]

I think Imma keep sludge for waterpon

[elder knoll]

ye that's fine

[knotty sundial]

and then for zama like a scarfer?

idk what rlly fits

[elder knoll]

scarfer your own Zama a Pult

lotta options

up to you

scarf ghold is an option

[knotty sundial]

tru tru

thank you!

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/78b6fd61b4d2de3e

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[inner terrace]

probably fine

it's basically a sample with different sets

[stuck wren]

ok

[gaunt forum]

https://pokepast.es/294f5985519389ba

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

rai is a stall cteam, dt gmolt can replicate that

[hardy crown]

https://pokepast.es/1d7c50ed17ee6212
Show me the error of my ways

[knotty sundial]

unfortunately electrode and bastiodon are not at all viable in the meta

[hardy crown]

I just saw a fun electrode set on the internet and just decided to use it lo

[knotty sundial]

it might be good in another tier, not sure, but not in sv ou

[hardy crown]

The bastiodon is also from the same guy who made the electrode set

[knotty sundial]

it's just not doing much even with specs off a base 80 SpA and how frail it is

[hardy crown]

yeah

[knotty sundial]

and bastiodon just has one of the worst defensive typings in the game without any offensive potency like a tyranitar

and there are much better hazard leads

[hardy crown]

hm

[knotty sundial]

like a glimmora for example

which you have

but it's the power herb set

[hardy crown]

should i change it

[knotty sundial]

well, given that the changes can be significant (at least 2 entire pokemon will need to swapped), there is a lot of flexibility - I think first you need to decide what kind of team you want to have out of this, like do you want to focus on hazard stack, or a more standard bulky offense, hyper offense, etc

[hardy crown]

https://pokepast.es/7f5fea89473d8993
Maybe its better

[radiant basin]

https://pokepast.es/1b9aaa58f48da2b9 rate?

[regal ginkgo]

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[alpine hornet]

lots of these sets are wonky af; if you’re going a screens ho angle pex certainly never fits and zoroark h is a funny mon but if ur gonna run it i wouldnt run it on this sort of structure

the idea of screens is to enable set up threats, rilla and dnite are certainly good screens mons but should be sd/dd respectively

gapdos is also a good mon but is more of a choiced breaker/cleaner (sub bu prob also usable) on greedy bos without good removal less an ho bring

but ho wants smt else over 3 of these guys

to keep the team relatively intact u could go sd rilla ddnite drop zoro for fellow ghost gholdengo, drop gap for fellow fighter zama, and drop pex for smt like waterpon

alternatively i would also reccomend grabbing a sample to learn the tier better

@radiant basin https://pokepast.es/4471b5befc7b0801 edited paste

[final relic]

this doesn’t look bad

i think arcanine is out of place here

also your glim set isn’t great, try either meteor beam with mortal spin/rocks/earth power or red card with a spread of 252hp/208def/48 speed bold nature

you could probably run rockpon over arcanine

waterpon works here too that probably does better

idk if tornadus is the move here, if you want a fat breaking np user run life orb darkrai

[gaunt forum]

anyone got any tips for this one?

[gray karma]

Ice spinner is better than close combat imo on tusk due to dnite or flying types

Outside that I rly like ur team tbh

[gaunt forum]

even with ice beam on primarina and ice spinner on dragonite? should i replace an ice move on one of those two with something else? am i okay without any fighting moves if i remove close combat?

and thanks!

[gray karma]

oh, I always put ice spinner in case I have no safe switch against flying mons for my part

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/c7725697b5edf87a

I've been encountering quite a couple Raging Bolts within Battles, so I wanted to give it a try with it, Samurott is there because of how dependable it is within battles and Deoxys-S kinda felt right since a fast Mixed might be good but other then those three, im hoping some advice will help flesh out the team with any flaws it has.

[hushed nymph]

https://pokepast.es/90bdda57f28a9a7e

Anyone have tips for improving this team?

[final relic]

not bad

id say

you can be idef zama

probably want steel beam treads since this is a little tspikes weak overall

deo if youre gonna run eject pack id say use uh

taunt over knock maybe

[torn scroll]

Well i was going to have Boots on Deoxys-S but went with Eject Pack to allow some sort of pivoting.

[final relic]

you could look into dropping hrott for like dnite

then have spikes/taunt/psychoboost/superpower on deoxys

probably on zama you want idbp + heavy slam+ roar with tera electric

oh and bolt can be booster here

[final relic]

ttar generally isnt enough of a special wall to handle everything by itself

usually you want something like av gking, spdef toxapex with eject button

clef on sand should always be wish passing if anything

since youre screwing your own recovery by using moonlight in sand

ice beam>stone edge on defensive tar sets like this

you also don't have great switchins to ogerpon here so i'd say you can drop clef for hydrapple

then probably gking>pult? or alternatively za>keldeo

[torn scroll]

Hmm i see unfortunately though H-Samurott is staying since I kinda used Bolt and Hrott as a starting foundation for this team.

Why Spikes Deoxys-S cause im having Samurott setting spikes whilst trying to threaten opposing Gholdengo but also why Steal Beam Treads?

[final relic]

you want at least 2 soft ogerpon checks like zama, apple, physdef gking

Slowking-Galar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 28 SpA / 48 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psyshock
• Sludge Bomb
• Flamethrower
• Ice Beam

something like this

[final relic]

treads with special attacks is a common lead because it denies glimmora from setting tspikes as well as being able to deny defog by killing itself with steelbeam recoil

[hushed nymph]

Isn't Skarmory a check for Ogerpon?

[final relic]

somewhat yes, but its stretched too thin here since it has to switch in on a million other physical attackers

like if your skarm gets even a little chipped youre basically praying that ivy cudgel doesnt crit

yes brave bird will kill if they don't bother to scout but heres an example situation right

you switch your skarm in on ogerpon as they knock off

they uturn out to something skarm can't threaten like ghold as you bravebird

youre forced out and now at like 75ish which is within 2 cudgels range, not to mention if they got rocks up and your drill can't remove

[torn scroll]

Okay I get that but why replace Hrott with Dnite and having Deoxys-S with Spikes Taunt in its moveset?

[final relic]

tera dragon is an option, but then a) youre down tera b) that's likely opened up a path for other attackers who skarm normally beats to break past it

[final relic]

just an option to have more threatening attackers especially since hrott is kinda bad in the face of like weezing fat teams, and taunts utility is appreciated since you have no real hazard denial

treads as the only remover is often shaky at best

honestly another angle that could work here is making samu sd and deoxys be dual screens then change ghold to an offensive set, zama to idef

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/c2cbec764c814aec

So something like if keep going down the path im going at so far with my team if I don't go with the other option.

[final relic]

yeah

seems good

[elder knoll]

no ground resist?

[final relic]

oh uh

probably want tera electric za here

i generally like 252 defense 252 speed jolly as well but its personal preference there so

bolt can be tera bug to lure tusk and resist ground

[final relic]

its that or no removal whatsoever

which ig works

[elder knoll]

I mean dyt the team moves fast enough to get away with a Lando + no removal?

[final relic]

samu kinda slows it down a lot

heres like the ewin team from samples that has similar structure

https://pokepast.es/cee3c55e9bf76419

[elder knoll]

yeah i was thinking abt this

when I saw the team

[final relic]

i mean it could work

test both out tbh

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/28a84b11ac85087c

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/cd7a422d639aa855

Is this better? I changed Samurott to be Scarf to offset it being slow for the team and changing a few of the Tera types of Bolt and Zama.

[hushed nymph]

Which set do I use on it?

[final relic]

just regular nasty plot

[fringe herald]

Thought this team was decent but i keep getting destroyed. is it the team or me? https://pokepast.es/ba43310cab258351

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

I think most rain teams would want iron treads as their steel to resist electric types like raging bolt. So have that over Ghold

Also overqwil set is weird just make it regular LO swords dance.

I’m also not confident in both basc and barra on the same team but trial and error if you feel like they’re overlapping you can also look at other reliable options like raging bolt who are usually good fits on rain

[fringe herald]

What tera should i put on iron treads?

[swift forum]

some basic mistakes: you should probably change zapdos to modest/timid, you should either run tera blast ghost on basculegion over liquidation or make it tera water over tera ghost

also this team has no switchins to woger, you should probably replace basculegion with something that can actually eat woger hits

[fringe herald]

sorry I'm a bit new here what's "woger"

[swift forum]

ogerpon wellspring

[fringe herald]

ohhhh ok

you think dragonite could work?

Made some changes to the team https://pokepast.es/7e6149164bc0dea8

[nocturne sable]

Nono. You don’t run rocky helmet treads. You either run booster speed max speed max hp treads or AV treads on rain

And like I said, change overqwil to swords dance life orb with gunk shot crunch liquidation Tera water

Dnite is not a bad pick however dtail espeed does not fit the pace here. Either make it DD or 3 special attacks roost

You can also do Raging bolt & tornadus>> dnite & Zapdos

[fringe herald]

Ok 👍

[nocturne sable]

Looking at this. This looks more like an offense team than a bulky balance.

You have 2 priority in dnite and gambit which is fine but imo the team is way too slow.

I would drop Gliscor here as it’s just overlapping ice weaknesses here with dnite & tusk and generally doesn’t fit the pace here.

Instead I really like the idea of deoxys-sped here. Very versatile Mon and makes up for your lack of speed here. You could opt to make deoxys it’s lead rocks to free up tusk to run speed boooster bulk up sets. So that makes your team kinda set up spammy.

I would also suggest optimizing some sets. 2 attacks great tusk generally likes ice spinner and headlong rush as its attacks so it’s not walled by flyings like Gliscor Lando etc.

Prim I’m not a big fan of ice beam prim ngl. Prim already hits a lot with its stabs + psychic noise so Ice beam kinda feels like an unnecessary slot.

There’s better moves to run like flip turn, whirlpool, etc. me personally I would run whirlpool here so you can effectively trade with mons. You can also run flip turn to pivot around obvious bad matchups like AV Mola and glowking for example

[gaunt forum]

appreciate the advice. is there a way to rework this into a bulky offensive team? that was my idea with the team but apparently it’s not executed well enough. am willing to start from scratch if need be

[nocturne sable]

I mean this team technically can count as a Bulky offense since you are using pivots like AV prim with 5 other offense mons.

What you said before was bulky balance and bulky balance is usually closer to stall than offense.

[gaunt forum]

yeah i just felt like it was somewhere in between balance and bulky offense. you’d still drop gliscor if the goal is bulky offense? and go ice spinner on tusk? it doesn’t feel bad to not have the fighting move?

[nocturne sable]

I mean CC is definitely an option for tusk I’m just saying in the context of 2 attack tusk ice spinner and headlong rush is the preferred attack combo

[gaunt forum]

totally i am happy to swap in ice spinner for CC. i just sort of feel like i don’t have enough coverage if im doubled on water moves on primarina and don’t have a fighting move. but maybe im wrong?

[nocturne sable]

Moonblast surf psychic noise is good enough coverage for primarina

That’s why it opts for moves with more utility like flip turn or whirlpool

@gaunt forum yk what if you really want CC on tusk bad. You can do like Tera poison

Moves:
headlong rush
Close combat
Bulk up
Rapid spin/taunt

max hp max speed booster energy as item.

Bulk up+tera poison will allow you to set up on Pokemon like rillaboom and Gliscor for example

[gaunt forum]

i don’t need to use cc. i’ll swap to ice spinner and whirlpool on primarina. or if i go with tera poison/CC/bulk up tusk then i need to swap primarina tera to steel or grass? i’m liking these suggestions tho, i never thought of half of this stuff, are you still saying to go deoxys sped as hazard? my thought with gliscor was a bulky hazard pokemon that would be tough to get rid of and i feel like deoxys would be more of a ‘suicide lead.’ and i am very impartial to single type pokemon but maybe im just being too picky

[nocturne sable]

Deoxys is a Mon that doesn’t necessary have to be sacked as soon as hazards get up.

Deoxys-Speed @ Eject Pack
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 200 Atk / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Naive Nature

• Psycho Boost
• Superpower
• Knock Off
• Stealth Rock

This set is usually good on teams like yours. Superpower eject pack helps you pivot into whatever attacker you want to pivot in.

That would free up tusk to run booster energy bulk up set.

Double Tera types doesn’t look aesthetically pleasing but it’s not the end of the world. Although Tera steel prim also isn’t a bad alternative so you can try that

[gaunt forum]

so this is your thought for tusk. just poison tera. i will try out the deoxys and make the other changes you suggested. do you have one other suggestion as a backup should i not like deoxys or am i at a restart at that point. also thanks a lot for the help i appreciate it

[nocturne sable]

Ngl right now I’m really I can’t really think of proper alternatives.

Although here has been cores with physical spam like Ogerpon-wellspring gambit dnite tusk, something kinda similar to your team. You can look into stuff like that

[gaunt forum]

alright i’ll try out deoxys and worst comes to worst ill restart. thanks so much for the help

[molten dove]

https://pokepast.es/b214cb22f9cc92ab im stumped can any1 tell me what to add and what tera

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[inner terrace]

you need a ground, more speed, prio, maybe another pivot

tusk, torn, gambit can fit here

[molten dove]

All 3

[inner terrace]

ye

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @placid river, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[frosty plinth]

I'd def throw in a tusk and def a flying (or at least a ground immune)

You also want speed control

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/a5ff6ec9a72b05fd

[nocturne sable]

This looks standard tbh.

That being said I think you might be better off without gambit here. Instead you can go for another knock off user to go with Great tusk. My top picks here are knock U-turn woger with synthesis for longevity.

also think you can play with items here around more. I feel like you want a rocky helmet user here. It could either be ting Lu, tusk or pech here.

[hexed moon]

with sd?

[nocturne sable]

Woger with ivy cudgel knock u-turn synthesis

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/357cfbd672a8a3d1

like this?

[nocturne sable]

Yes

[nocturne sable]

Like I said I would also make something like tusk or pecharunt rocky helmet here

I think tusk should be the helmet user here

Or you can do rocky helmet pecharunt and boots great tusk

[hexed moon]

Is a hazard stack team without hazard removal bad?

[nocturne sable]

No

But you’ll probably have to be bootspam at that point

Your team is fine

[radiant basin]

https://pokepast.es/91aa4fd6a5d65139

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

ok

this has some elements of a solid screens team

but theres also some things that don’t really work too well here

so you lack any grounded poison which makes glimmora and the tspikes it sets awful to deal with

zama with roar should almost always be max speed, you can do whatever else with the other 252 evs

dump all 252 in defense is the usual

not sure about tera dark here, you already break ghold just fine with these other pokemon

tera fire is generally useful but you can tech on like

electric, steel

those usually are paired with heavyslam

drill isn’t really good outside sand unfortunately

bulk up speed booster tusk can accomplish the same thing and is generally more reliable

oh yeah the dnite

you can probably go with like the classic loaded dice+scale shot with fire punch & tera fire

ok taking a second look i think you really want iron moth over zoroark, since right now your team hasn’t any fairy resist and zoroark is fairly bad even with 2 screens up

that also gives you a tspikes absorber

[radiant basin]

okay can i also ask how come tusk is such a strong mon with so many weaknesses?

[knotty sundial]

good stats, role compression (has rapid spin, stealth rock, and knock off), ground and fighting are good offensive typings (even if they aren't the most complementary)

[radiant basin]

okay also in this case since i have zamazenta is there no problem in the fighting type over lapping because they have different roles or tera?

[knotty sundial]

it's fine to repeat typings on a team

as long as you cover shared checks

[final relic]

tusk and za on the same team isn’t the worst; id zama and really your whole team in this case wants hazards removed and tusk can do that

[knotty sundial]

in fact, it's usually quite restrictive if you try to limit yourself to using mons with all different typings

[final relic]

yeah

[knotty sundial]

more than just typings, it's better to look at the roles of each Pokemon as well as what they check and are checked by

[final relic]

well speaking in a general sense it has very good bulk, can run a variety of sets whether offensive or compressing a lot of utility in with like rocks/spin/headlong rush/ice spinner for example, matches up very favorably into a lot of the tier

but yeah definitely look at the smogon analysis page if youre wondering why this mon does this

or what it checks/is checked by etc

[knotty sundial]

it can even bulk up setup sweeper

[radiant basin]

okkk i see this makes sense

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/8a0e118a92e9a501
hello, can someone help my team? i feel like im weak to darkrai (or any fast special dark type)

[inner terrace]

i think teams like this kinda struggle because you blend a lot of things that kinda awkwardly compress

you have boots but then removal tusk + pult which can make it tough

considering you're relying on being hazards immune and playing around that

with boots

i think the easiest thing to do is use boots pult and then use lefties ting

which gives you better play into darkrai

boots pult should be wisp, then you can use like idef skarm if you feel weak to gambit

psyshock isnt that good on gking imo unless ur av

should be either fsight or psynoise

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/a81c3a9ca4710d3c

Still unsure about torn's tera type

Probably dragon?

[gray karma]

tera steel so u don't get destroyed by Kyurem or ice spinner

[turbid kelp]

Why not water?

[gray karma]

bcz mainly Kyurem are used with freeze dry if it's special attacker one

And u still get the electric weaknesses

[turbid kelp]

Oh true

I didn't think steel because I'm somewhat very weak to ground

[craggy pier]

https://pokepast.es/38956492a6e94ba4
This is the first team I'm actually playing ladder with lol. I usually just make teams for fun and play against my brother if he's on. I'm personally liking it so far, but as I said, it's against low-ladder players. My biggest worry is probably my match-up against Kingambit. If possible, keep Rotom-H.

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

ok so youre right here in that the gambit mu is kinda bad

uh my first thoughts are probably make garg lefties here you dont need boots with weezing

[craggy pier]

I'm guessing I should get rid of one of the rocks, here?

[final relic]

youre also lacking a ground type which on bulkier teams is generally not good

[craggy pier]

Oh my god you're right. I don't know how I missed that

[final relic]

tar kinda doesnt do much here

you can make it a great tusk

or ting lu really might be better here

cause otherwise zapdos gets free pivoting all day

[craggy pier]

I'll just make two versions

[final relic]

ok now rilla im not a fan of on this team style especially banded which is not really good at all rn

[craggy pier]

Don't tell me

That

It all comes down to Big-Spring

[final relic]

you can make that a tealpon probably

[craggy pier]

Phew

[final relic]

gives you some speed control and it fills the same role

now i think rotom does probably have to go

moltres is very necessary here

[craggy pier]

Damn 😭 I knew it was going to happen one way or another.

Should I run double hazards on Lu or just rocks?

[final relic]

well

garg is honestly the better rocks user here

[craggy pier]

Alright, no BP, right?

[final relic]

on lu you can run resttalk

yeah its rocks/protect/saltcure/recover

let me organize this rq

https://pokepast.es/5f83400e16c13420

ghold isnt really a great mon here since youre not trying to keep hazards on long term so i switched it for a nasty plot pech

[craggy pier]

This looks way better lmao. Thanks.

[nocturne sable]

#comp-general and this isn’t the channel for Natdex stuff anyways

[vivid kraken]

oh sorry my apologies

[indigo perch]

Probably really bad I am very new to competitive pokemon and only play gen 3 but feel free to be as harsh as possible! :D (Meant to be a Bulky Offense team)

https://pokepast.es/06dee07bf0c4900a

[chilly jungle]

Kinda new to SV OU any suggestions would be appreciated

https://pokepast.es/4f5a948fa0e61b44

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

quaquaval, samurott are really overlapping here

electrode is just not usable in ou

you really need reliable removal here as well as a flying type

try tusk > quaquaval, maybe hatterene > electrode

then ghold can be a zapdos

kingambit probably wants to be jolly:

Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch
• Low Kick
• Iron Head

then for stall mu, you can have body press av kyu

just drop dtail, use a spread of 252 defense / 96 speed and rest in sp.atk

[final relic]

looks like a pretty standard hstack but some of the sets are off

[chilly jungle]

If u don’t mind can u tell me which sets so I can fix em

[final relic]

wake should be hdb

Walking Wake @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Surf
• Draco Meteor
• Knock Off
• Flip Turn

threatens most knock absorbers and has longevity from boots

zama should also be a boots set

here id say

hmm

you can run like crunch cc heavyslam ice fang

cause glisc always annoys these type of teams

mola isn't really great on boot spam either

[chilly jungle]

Can it be switched out for a ghold?

[final relic]

that should probably be a clef

gives you a knock absorber

[chilly jungle]

I see

[indigo perch]

thanks <3

[final relic]

try uh

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

• Moonblast
• Knock Off
• Moonlight
• Thunder Wave

[chilly jungle]

Okay got it

[final relic]

twave can be switched out for cm if you find you need more breaking power

[chilly jungle]

Ah okay

I think I need twave for mons like SD Ogerpon

So ima leave it for now

So u think I need to switch anything else is the team good like this

[final relic]

oh you can run bravebird > body press

but thats really about all i can think of that id change here

should be good after that @chilly jungle

[chilly jungle]

okay thanks sm

[gaunt forum]

https://pokepast.es/40a86f13a0c1eacd

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/375c39d537cdb30a

[gaunt forum]

dope team

[knotty sundial]

ival could just run adamant+max speed if you wanna boost attack

neutral nature with webs support is more than enough speed anyway

similarly moth can be modest

[hardy crown]

https://pokepast.es/bcafd1d1b5113638
aeh

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/51e7f9ec5c256cdc

[hexed viper]

https://pokepast.es/546c1b985f26ff97 pretty basic trick room team looking for feedback im quite new

[alpine hornet]

this looks fine, tork should be specs and hands should be booster sd, and indeedee should be dropped for a more consistent setter like cress

[alpine hornet]

id make mola body slam here, zama banded, and zap tera dragon - all should help w the poor pon mu

also tusk should be 4 evs in defense (lives 2 hlrs) and hlr itself

eq is always mid on tusk even on bulkier av variants it js isnt worth it imo

and personal preference but since ur going the paraspam route id make gambit jolly here

[ebon juniper]

https://psim.us/t/1585150

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

A lot of confusing stuff here

[inner terrace]

so right away im noticing you have a lack of speed control and 2 spikes users

[nocturne sable]

What’s the point of spikes woger when you already have Hamurott

[ebon juniper]

ik was considering swaping it

[inner terrace]

i think you can also remove rott and pon spikes and just put them on glimm

and use red card glimm

then add zama

and plot pech

[ebon juniper]

plot pech?

[inner terrace]

yeah

make waterpon like some offensive set

or uturn

think sd play rough is best here though

for glimm lemme give the set one sec

[ebon juniper]

what does plot pech mean?

[inner terrace]

Ability: Toxic Debris  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Def / 168 SpD / 52 Spe  
Calm Nature  
- Spikes  
- Power Gem
- Earth Power
- Mortal Spin```

nasty plot pecharunt

like an offensive pecharunt

[ebon juniper]

k

[inner terrace]

theres a smogon/sample set

it's like 112 hp 144 spa max speed timid

with np sball malig recover

idk if those are the evs but it's something like that

on smogon it doesnt have that ev spread but it has the moves

[ebon juniper]

you also said to add zamazenta right

[nocturne sable]

That’s the Tera water covert cloak one right

[inner terrace]

is it?

i think it's just the one in the ctc volc paste

i think it's what people do run on cloak sets anyways though

so probably yeah

[inner terrace]

yeah

i like any tera fire roar set here

[ebon juniper]

you want me to swap scisor?

[inner terrace]

nah i think sciz is fine

pech sciz gives a good typing combo

you also would like a steel and prio if you remove sciz anyways

if you think you're weak to ghosts you could put in gambit and then make waterpon knock uturn

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/9f9111938122774f something like this based on what was said

[inner terrace]

yeah

just change the pon set

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea forgot glimm was spikes

[ebon juniper]

ight thx

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/36dce05ab089e4dc basically just knock u-turn right

With ivy and synthesis

[inner terrace]

i think thats fine if you run it with gambit, i think sd play rough might be better with sciz

[nocturne sable]

Hmm makes sense

[inner terrace]

idk though

cause im thinking you want another setup + have knock

[ebon juniper]

I like setup moves so i'll try Sd play rough and see how it goes

[nocturne sable]

I was honestly think SD scizor can be tried here aswell

[ebon juniper]

what would that look like?

[nocturne sable]

it’s like LO sd bullet punch Tera blast electric knock off.

But I think generally sd pon is more consistent

[ebon juniper]

kk

what does LO mean?

[inner terrace]

life orb

yeah sd sciz can be an option

i think most of the sets are interchangeable though theres a lotta good mons on a flexible style

comes down to preference

[ebon juniper]

i dont like croviknight so I'll try it

[gusty nimbus]

still not entirely sure about this one honestly https://pokepast.es/6d7a9936a1778d73

help my godforsaken EV spreads what are these 😭

[gray karma]

Barraskewda should be max attack max speed

Put 252 speed on treads to speed ie with other treads

Put max speed in raging bolt

And put calm mind or tera blast fairy over volt switch because I always think pivot raging bolt is diabolical if u don't use in sun team

[gusty nimbus]

im gen curious why it's acceptable in a sun team but nowhere else?

thank you also

[wooden geode]

https://pokepast.es/4b349deb378ae259 any idea on how to make this team good enough to have a chance in mid ladder

Keeping to the theme

I’m good to switch anything but gumshoo and braviary

[nocturne sable]

I’m sorry but in terms of this team being competitive it’s basically impossible if you’re insisting on running Bad mons like gunshots and braviary.

And you’re also mixing playstyles here. Scarf Ghold fits on more balanced teams, so does boots hex pult with bootspam balance. while Tera blast Dd kyurem and hawlucha are more offensive mons.

I’m terms of making mid ladder(1500-1700s) honestly anything can reach that elo, but the team is fundamentally flawed and not good.

lol I meant gumshoos idk why it autocorrected to gunshots

[hexed moon]

https://pokepast.es/38f7d85557e1c3fb

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

I honestly don’t like that dnite set. I understand the bulky spread if you were Dd Tera blast but for Tera normal ekiller you want as much attack as possible to have strong priority

[blissful nebula]

Max attack max speed adamant classic is the best

Bulky air balloon dengo makes sense on this build

T spikes on Glowking can work well with the hazard stack going or toxic

Twave hex fat would make more sense on Dengo

Also ruination on Ting Lu makes sense to help chip everything for late game Dnite or Val

Boots tusk would kinda help the webs match up

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/1f20f53adb06f348 CB Pult balance

When testing, I feel like this team is defensively weak to Kyurem + Ogerpon. Any changes that could help my team against these matchups?

Or am I better off pressuring them offensively, since Pult + Darkrai can do that

[gray karma]

Because it's mainly played without booster energy and since u don't need Booster energy under sun

[gaunt forum]

https://pokepast.es/403b7b53da05f83a

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

Imo you lack speed control Vs Za and Pult and get 6’0ed by banded Pult

4a Za too after Lando dies

I say imo bc you have fast mons but none able to counter scarf Ghold w fblast/dazzling, banded and potentially specs Pult, and only one mon for Za

idef is manageable tho

you also lack a steel, making Pech an annoying bastard

Try out Treads and Moltres over Lando and Cinderace

and a bulkier Bolt set because Pon can destroy you

run tera water on Gking so you can beat Kyurem easier and run tera grass Moltres to help vs Woger

water Gking also helps vs Wake
btw Treads should be bulky as to help beat Pult with specs/band

[nocturne sable]

Ngl this isn’t really true. Banded pult does not 6-0 this team when it has defensive lando & Hamu. And no scarf Ghold is running dazzling gleam.

Although you are right about this team being destroyed by woger and pech being annoying without a steel, iron treads and moltres literally does not make this better and arguably makes his woger MU way worse.

[nocturne sable]

Anyways onto this team. It looks like you’re trying to be standard volt turn but a few problems. Cm lefties bolt is kinda awkward here and I think it sinks momentum here for your team. I like that set more on teams like screens, gterrain and other BOs that stack other set up sweepers.

I think what I would do here is make raging bolt choice specs here, that way you have a more immediate threat. I would drop iron Val here for zamazenta to help you with speed control. Tera dark will allow you to beat ghost like Ghold pecha pult etc while still resisting gambit.

I like gunk shot cinderace here as your secondary attack move because it gives you a way of chipping moltres and potentially fishing for poison. Also changed lando to Tera ghost for zama and Tera water glowking to help generally vs wake, moth & still resisting ivy cudgel from woger

https://pokepast.es/ce190a922097482d

[queen saddle]

Clear body ignores intim no?

Isn’t it a 2hko

and Samu does get 2HKOED too if Im not wrong

Btw Treads is better for hazard removal bc he needs court change for hazard removal but he runs spikes and rocks

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea a lot choice pults prefer clear body over infiltrator. I imagine infiltrator became a bit more popular since the screens epidemic, my bad for including Lando, but still.

Hamu clicks sucker punch and KOs banded pult. Iron treads and moltres just makes the team more passive and both still get 2hko by Tera ghost banded pult

[nocturne sable]

Defensive Iron treads slows the team down and is generally not worth the extra removal option. Solo ace as hazard removal can be annoying at times but it’s still doable, you just have to be more bootspam imo.

[queen saddle]

alr

Mb if I do give mediocre advice too, I didn’t play comp in over a week due to me being on vacation and losing a lot of the touch on the meta too

[nocturne sable]

It’s all good, most of the time what you say does make sense it’s just some of the details.

[queen saddle]

Appreciate it ❤️‍🩹

[thin zinc]

https://pokepast.es/8a3df7982598f9ec
I put lefties back on serp :p
https://pokepast.es/afd11b71128e2b46
Most recent (and experimental) iteration of the team
Feels a bit better defensively/momentum wise but more prone to hazard stack due to only having spin

Feel like the darkrai set kinda works but sinks momentum too often
But I feel like I need some form of anti offense for when something hits +1 and status usually does that

[nocturne sable]

I don’t hate the 6 mons here. The only problem I have really with this team is the raging bolt MU. the lack of mid grounds into dragon moves outside of your Tera fairy AV mola kinda sucks.

Me personally I like Tera blast ground serp here, improves said raging bolt MU and allows you to snipe fire types like heatran iron moth etc.

I think specs Kyu is fine here for breaking power since you do have decent removal in tusk & corv. Another annoying thing with this team is the lack of fighting coverage, so you’re most likely going to be struggling into mons like gambit and have a hard time breaking steels, especially spdef corv.

Rai looks like a momentum sink here but I can see situations where scarf will o/trick comes in clutch against offense and certain fat teams for example. Fairy MU also looks pretty terrible especially when mola loses its AV or it’s severely chipped.

https://pokepast.es/7b07f3ca41c9abe6 me personally would lean into something like this.

You can create a para spam core with Zapdos+serperior. U-turn Zapdos to avoid being blocked by Ting Lu when pivoting. Make heatran the main stealth rock setter to free up to run 3 attacks spin with close combat to pressure ting Lu, kingambit, corv etc. specs rai is there for breaking power and speed control, mola not too many major changes but I thought aqua jet could come clutch in certain scenarios.

Obviously sets are always subject to change with trial and error, but I think this is a pretty good 6 to go with if you’re building around serperior

[thin zinc]

🗒️
Alright, I'll try it

Dragon pulse is an interesting choice

[nocturne sable]

Dragon pulse lets you hit stuff like dnite

[thin zinc]

Is the longevity from synth not worth the coverage?
Since usually it has to come in on wellspring repeatedly
But I suppose the idea is switching in and threatening glare, which forces them out and allows for leaf storm snowballing?

[nocturne sable]

For defensive serp, maybe. But since we now have a decent woger check in defensive Zapdos serp is free to run its offensive set.

Also lefties does still give serp some type of recovery, so it can still take hits for a decent amount of time. Zapdos can deal with U-turn pon variants.

One thing I like about serp is that it’s faster than pon so it can outspeed and kill pon if it gets an SD up.

[thin zinc]

Ic.
So serp is the check to sd sets and zapdos for uturn?

[nocturne sable]

Maybe I’m overestimating serps immediate damage output but leaf storm should do a good chunk to pon

[thin zinc]

It's usually a 2hko from what I've seen

From +0

[thin zinc]

Actually does zapdos die to +2 cudgel or do they need to invest tera

[nocturne sable]

Yea makes sense. SD pon I would probably always Hard serperior on the turn it SDs

[nocturne sable]

If you force Tera water on Ogerpon serp should always kill.

If chipped

[thin zinc]

Mhm

[nocturne sable]

You also have Tera dragon Zapdos incase woger truly gets out of hand

[thin zinc]

🙂‍↕️
Alright

[nocturne sable]

But if woger is chipped in range you won’t need to be forced to burn Tera

[thin zinc]

What's the usual lead for this team, then

And/or gameplan against stuff like HO

[nocturne sable]

You probably always lead rai because it’s a strong Mon into a lot of teams

HO teams like screens really don’t like rai

And you have av mola for cheese special set up like gmoltres for example

Gambit you just play around it with tusk, Tran, maybe Rai if gambit Teras

[thin zinc]

Alright
Was testing it and
Man I hate having to play spinblock mindgames =w=

Since tusk is my only hazard removal

[nocturne sable]

Balloon Ghold I’m assuming, or balloon pecha?

[thin zinc]

Tera ghost glimm

[thin zinc]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2558918520-sfbhikirlkbmbv8y6gyefpx9723utcipw

[thin zinc]

If it was either I could pivot from alo into rai
But tspikes

[thin zinc]

Or just break balloon

[nocturne sable]

Oh ic. Yea glimm is annoying, especially without Tspikes absorption.

Now actually looking at it U-turn+flip turn without and Tspikes absorber is kinda oof.

https://pokepast.es/8945c7a948bbccf6 might have to go back to volt switch Twave zapdos.

Or you can test a variant of the team with gking in it over mola.

https://pokepast.es/bb12585d76a038d4

might make you a little weaker to ace so made heatran flash fire

Can also test AV glowking as well

[thin zinc]

Will the lack of pivoting hurt

[nocturne sable]

Yea probably but AV glowking is a good sponge into most special attackers.

I think you primarily just try the regular chilly reception pivot set for now

[thin zinc]

👍

[charred pumice]

https://pokepast.es/8d39e320cf3cefec so im not sure about the zam set

[thin zinc]

I am insanely tempted to make darkrai scarf
I'm tired of pult

Specifically band/dd pult

It usually just gets to chip my team down for free with ddarts

Otherwise the team works
Most losses were skill issues on my end

Maybe I do run vswitch twave for consistency

[nocturne sable]

Twave zap could help with banded pult yea

[thin zinc]

Mhm
Discharge is nice but it's like spamming scald
Never happens when you need it to

[nocturne sable]

Fair enough

[nocturne sable]

Did you use the chilly reception one?

[thin zinc]

Yeah, I'm using reception gking
Nice against weather (though I did lose once to floatzel rain)

[nocturne sable]

Rain is kinda MU fishy not much you can do about it.

Although you do have Tera grass and water to live attacks so it’s not the end of the world

[thin zinc]

I think you mean dragon

[nocturne sable]

You have grass water dragon Tera’s yea

[thin zinc]

Grass on who

[nocturne sable]

Is it not on heatran lol

[thin zinc]

Oh
Yes
I just never use Tera on heatran so I forgot :p

One other thing
What do I do about trick room

[nocturne sable]

ooo

Trick room you pretty just try and flinch hax with rai to try and prevent tr from being set up

Most tr setters are weak to rai, outside of like porygon & mimikyu with disguise still in tact

[thin zinc]

Mm

[nocturne sable]

Although in terms of abusers like Hoopa Ursaluna iron hands, ngl the lack of normal resist kinda suck outside of heatran so facade is probably frying your team if trick room is up. The other MUs you’re lowkey kinda cooked.

I wouldn’t worry too much though, at the end of the day there’s always going to be some match ups that you have to accept you struggle into.

[thin zinc]

Yeah, you have a point.
Still fairly frustrating though

But maybe the frustration is from a handful of matches
Tilt queuing never helped I feel

[unique zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/a6ea0c690fc1d325
ive made some teams but this one worked for me the best and is fun to play imo, yall pls gimme feedbacks if anythings kinda bad because i wanna go up the ladder

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

loses to waterpon

i think quaq regular slowking and pawmot arent that good

[unique zephyr]

oh wait thats true

[unique zephyr]

alright

i think ill come tmrw its 1 am for me rn

[inner terrace]

if you want to keep one of them i'd say slowking is the best out of them

[unique zephyr]

ok thx

[inner terrace]

but ideally you would make it like

a blizzard specs kyu type team

with speed control to support

[unique zephyr]

ill try specs kyurem

ive never tried that flavur of kyurem

[inner terrace]

can even consider swapping gliscor for torn and have it use weather ball

[unique zephyr]

flavour

[unique zephyr]

snow team

[inner terrace]

with av

[unique zephyr]

that looks fun

[inner terrace]

i think thats as snowy as it gets though

not really many good abusers aside from kyurem + 1 weather ball user like lando or torn

[unique zephyr]

alright

[gaunt forum]

awesome thanks for the tips

[stray osprey]

I have this team: https://pokepast.es/c6d3e7eb1cb909db

but I keep getting folded by dnite. Cinderace is annoying but I can just save ribombee for later. Dnite however just bulks through hits with multiscale sets up ddances and I literally can’t kill it

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/6e16d774433b13d4

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

Ghold spread is for what?

Also you could replace Rilla with Tealpon

Faster and I think abuses webs better

For the Dnite problem you could use the Tealpon with play rough and get a 2HKO on it

With tera grass +1 dnite wont outspeed and I believe play rough 2HKOES

after multi scale and even if they tera normal after multi scale is broken

Do you need psychic on Moth? Can’t you js use sub for better results

Team feels fine with these changes, like the Luna set but also you might like knock on Samu

You could consider t ghost and sd over fire punch, I think facade can muscle thru corvi along with ghost dodging the body press
it’s double dance though, so consider it only if you think luna can survive and sweep

Forgot one last thing, no hazard removal so Tusk can be used over Luna to help vs that

[queen saddle]

Valiant can be special here

You have sd lando and Samu

you can use sucker over taunt

consider f blast w gholdengo to help vs endgames with Gambit and maybe change t steel

Can run sub > t blast since you have lando too but this works as well

[plain radish]

https://pokepast.es/b7c422163c40c26f

chat this team might be a lil doodoo, may I know what to improve with this team

I just came back from pokemon as well, so i dont really know much of the matchups, etc.

[thin zinc]

So
Now my main issue feels like cm sweepers
If I try to scout they set up too much and tusk is my only physical mon
If I switch aggressively I risk losing someone important to an attack from the setup mon

[nocturne sable]

What cm sweepers specifically

[thin zinc]

One was a vaporeon I spent too long scouting (scald/ice beam/wish/cm)
And the other was manaphy
(Take heart/scald/I assume ice beam, I didn't find out)
I wish I'd gotten the replays actually, since at least some of it was skill issue (the vap particularly; I feel like I have to respect random mon picks this gen a lot more and said respect cost me)
But I don't think having 5 special attackers is great anyway

[nocturne sable]

I mean, cm vaporeon is pretty fake. Although I can definitely see how you would struggle with like a Tera poison CM sweeper or a Tera steel like latios.

But on the mons that you mentioned specifically (vaporeon, manaphy) honestly just don’t respect it. vaporeon is not immediately threatening honestly you can hard serp and blow it up. You also do have a Zapdos for water types.

If you manage to force a tera poison it can open up for gking to farm it. Speaking about gking I think it’s best you run psyshock to help with that.

[thin zinc]

Problem with zapdos is mostly just
My electric attack pivots me out

But if I run discharge I lose twave consistency

[thin zinc]

I was thinking of dropping fsight, yeah
For either psynoise or psyshock
The latter helps the cm mon issue as well

https://pokepast.es/ecba5a3a10b84d34

[nocturne sable]

Yea psyshock actually makes way more sense lol.

As for Zapdos, you just gotta decide, more consistent paras or more consistent electric stab that doesn’t switch you out.

[thin zinc]

I really don't wanna drop twave
Mostly cause of this

I'll see if psyshock suffices as counters to cm waters
If not I guess I just go for discharge
The team composition itself is fine, though?

[nocturne sable]

Team comp is pretty standard

[thin zinc]

I do kinda dislike the tendency to play overly cautious around stuff that shouldn't be respected that I have
But at the same time I've been got by so many sets that I initially dismissed screwing me over (usually because of tera/blast or random coverage)
That it's ruined my ability to determine whether to respect a seemingly bad set/mon or not
Because it's also really easy to lose off 1-2 bad turns this gen

Whether through rng or other means

It's a skill issue, probably
But like
I don't know how to fix it?

[nocturne sable]

This is really just a Tera blast problem in general. A lot of MU fish Tera blast sets roll around in SV

The only thing you can do about that is keeping up with the most popular Tera blast sets like dnite gambit for example

Trying to predict Tera blast ground valiant?? You might aswell just treat it like a regular valiant

[thin zinc]

I had a match once using the old version of this team where I switched in my corv against an excadrill pretty confidently
And then it gets nuked by (banded) Tera fire blast =_=
I could not know this
I had not run into this before
I gotta wonder how people play around it in higher elo

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my Meowscarada Bulky Hazard Stack team, is this viable at a high level? if not then whats wrong with it and how can i fix it?
https://pokepast.es/c7ffbc649b754b9b

[queen saddle]

You dont have any hazard removal or any immediate way of pressuring the opponent, also Skarm is just a momentum sink on this team
Im abt to gts but those are the problems I see rn, and I js recommend replacing Skarm and making Meowscarada spikes, and Pultspecs

[gritty finch]

This was a grassy terrain team I made just today and was hoping for some feedback on what I could improve on. The most glaring issue imo is that I don't have a hazard removal and am unsure what to swap out for it atm:

https://pokepast.es/c786f0a995ea0e03

[plain radish]

can anyone help me a bit

[thin zinc]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2559508893
This isn't really related to changing something about the team but this was just a very tilting match
I probably could have played it better but I once again gave respect when I shouldn't have and rng cost me the match for it

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/98191a079e4f2519

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly tundra]

Tera dragon on corv btw

[nocturne sable]

Okay I’m going to be honest, this replay is definitely a skill issue.

• around turn 4:. Opponent probably stayed in because he knew you would chilly out, but still chilly reception was the right play.

Turn 5-6: didn’t make sense. Why bring darkrai on enam then double out back to glowking?? since you hard swap darkrai on enam the opponent could have thought you were scarf. Should have used that larp to your advantage and click focus blast on the Ttar switch in if you were swapping Rai in. Although the better midground was just swapping heatran and getting up rocks. That forces exca to spin and you could have potentially fish for para with zappy later on in the game.

Although the Ttar crit not much you can do about that pretty unlucky. And banded Ttar is hard to switch into.

-Turn 15 exca entering the field: okay so this entire exca thing could have been avoided if you just swapped heatran on the turn exca clicked its first attack. Eq was very obvious as your serp was rolling through their team and exca had no choice but to click eq. After that you just click Magma storm to kill it or midground with earth power. You unnecessarily sacked 3 mons to exca and let it get a sub off when you have just 1v1 with heatran from the start. Glowking and Zapdos doubling around just sinked momentum.

It’s fine though the more you practice with the team and get more battle experience you will get past the ladder tilting.