SV OU Rates

[ebon juniper]

👍

[knotty sundial]

ttar without excadrill is a choice

not necessarily an unviable choice

but a choice

[nocturne sable]

Teams synergy is bad here. Why is Ttar smooth rock with nothing that takes advantage of sandstorm

Also LO rai+extended sand chip isn’t ideal. Rai will get chipped down rapidly.

Also some do nothing mons here like wish mola and corv here.

Although the core of Ttar Zapdos garchomp is standard the sets are not optimal

[ebon juniper]

for some reason i though gar got buffed during sandstrom forgot it was only rock types

[nocturne sable]

Yea it’s only rock types unfortunately

[ebon juniper]

who should i switch out?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/7431245636c3ae78 hmm this looks fun to try

[ebon juniper]

sand veil is banned in Ou

[nocturne sable]

Forgot to change it to rough skin

[ebon juniper]

👍

[queen saddle]

kyu looks hard vs this team

ngl

[nocturne sable]

Kinda true, no real ice resist

However chomp outspeeds and kills, Ttar is a decent midground and offensive Zapdos means it can outspeed and pivot off kyurem.

And ofc, specs val

Definitely ways around kyurem here

[ebon juniper]

https://psim.us/t/1563700 HO

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[knotty sundial]

hisuian lilligant should only be used on sun teams

[ebon juniper]

mb i meant to add a sun setter

https://psim.us/t/1563711

[nocturne sable]

I advice you test teams you created in the builder before posting here. I can see a few builder mistakes like solar beam over solar blade on Hisui lilli and such

[ebon juniper]

that was a misclick

[knotty sundial]

still, you should test with some battles first

[ebon juniper]

👍

[split hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/19b7b26b2ca1a931

[knotty sundial]

I need some better speed control options, like priority or something, but not sure how to work it in properly

https://pokepast.es/23b64ab1b8014dc1

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/e37cd2de8d535001
Sand!

[queen saddle]

I just fought a scarf Staraptor sun team

lmao

wrong reply

but yeah

[queen saddle]

looks fine outside of uh banded Staraptor but prolly a team I’d use lmao

the woger matchup rocks you tho

Like fucks you up bad

and Kyurem is pretty threatening

[queen saddle]

Make Woger SD and treads lefties rocks

with Glis doing the spikes

I also honestly

like trick nasty plot Ghold here

with scarf

for speed control and sweeping

[round portal]

tried to built metal coat ghold https://pokepast.es/601659e5c88dfef5

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

you need av gking or pex here i think

knock+tspikes will cut into your longevity really hard

idk how useful boots zama is here for you over the classic max speed roar

[nocturne sable]

Mixed defense mola is kinda mid ngl,

I would rather AV hatt here and make garg Tera water. Probably make oger choice band personally

[round portal]

i wanted non band cuz i felt like this team was a bit weak to gambit

[final relic]

staraptor is just Not good in ou

you probably want to swap that for like

any other breaker

[nocturne sable]

If it’s weak to gambit, then you should probably consider running stronger stab on on great tusk

[final relic]

your waterpon matchup is kinda poor

could have cb grasspon

maybe av mola+physdef gking

that should make your odds significantly better

[nocturne sable]

Can also greed here with just stabs rock and spin

[final relic]

probably wisp darkrai

[round portal]

ah true

idk why its eq anyways lmao

[queen saddle]

I was thinking of Av gking over Hatt, should I change Tornt?

Since AV Gking and AV Tornt feels

unnecessary

[final relic]

could be specs here

[queen saddle]

I did need immediate power

[final relic]

hm

yeah

probably run

specs bleakwind/heatwave/knot/weatherball

[queen saddle]

alrighty

appreciate it

[knotty sundial]

sd with play rough or keep knock off?

[queen saddle]

Either work really

Knock is good for hazard support and stuff

and ofc good damage

[knotty sundial]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[queen saddle]

but play rough hits dnite and stuff

so just test it out and see which is better

[knotty sundial]

fair

I do have ice beam and ice spinner

or wait

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/3d92e9d6e1398abd something along the line of this.

Or keep curse garg and just greed with dual stab+rocks and spin tusk

[knotty sundial]

yeah that + prim

[queen saddle]

then knock is fine

[round portal]

cc tusk lowk sounds shiest

[queen saddle]

Icy wind on Tornt?

What’s that for

[round portal]

glicor

and helps against ho

[nocturne sable]

I didn’t even peep that tbh

Most of the time you want heat wave, but i can half understand icy wind

[round portal]

i just feel like heatwave is so weak on av torn ngl

[nocturne sable]

Although Ghold mu is kinda worse

[round portal]

doesnt even 2hko spd corv

[queen saddle]

pressures it tho

[queen saddle]

and that too

[queen saddle]

Love the team btw, tested it out and I got many wins
Just seems to struggle a little vs tusk

it’s manageable but like

Ice spinner and headlong is rough

[lilac karma]

https://pokepast.es/02717e97a778626b
lmk if anything needs tweaking or replacing/anything that could be done better in the team

[simple perch]

got ignored

[final relic]

tera dragon on garg isnt really good

you can probably be fblast ghold here

[simple perch]

fbalst over what

???

is there something else fblast means

[final relic]

treads instead of gliscor

oh

focus blast

[simple perch]

ohh

[final relic]

over mir

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/a40db29be1213d3e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[swift pumice]

Neat. Anyway, "Hmm, today I will make my team better into stall" -> down 200 elo

Sooo I hate it

[knotty sundial]

you only need 60 speed EVs on ghold to outspeed jolly gambit

tusk is missing 4 EVs

[swift pumice]

Funny

[swift pumice]

Yeahhhhh but think about it... everyone runs 219 on stuff to outspeed gambit and other stuff... I win

[knotty sundial]

and hamu needs 52, not 56 to outspeed

[swift pumice]

Same idea

Any idea why it's doodoo garbage?

[queen saddle]

standard HO it feels like

Just maybe boots dnite

or roost over encore imo

I could be wrong tho I dont play ho lel

[swift pumice]

The most committed tera fly I ever did see

[queen saddle]

I run 221

lmao

[queen saddle]

wait @round portal why is there no sball

On Ghold

[knotty sundial]

it doesn't always run it

[queen saddle]

why not?

Pretty sure it usually always does

ghost stab isn’t something you give up

[round portal]

metal coat mir is usually stronger than sball

idk i copied this set lmao

[queen saddle]

true but shadow ball is much more spammable usually no?

bc like

-1

[round portal]

-1 mir with metal coat still feels like a nuke

[queen saddle]

and also shadow ball has a lot less resistances

compared to mir

[round portal]

i think i was running t-bolt to muscle past av mola and corv

[queen saddle]

mola is tanking a +2 tbolt and flip turning out or

absolutely obliterating Ghold

and also Corvi gets smoked by shadow ball too

if not just becomes crippled

[round portal]

no i meant like usually mola can spam mir coat even if ghold is at +6

ukw fair enough

i might run sball

[swift pumice]

Sheit

[queen saddle]

yeah it’s a very strong stab move

you dont got to ofc but its like

if ur gonna drop anything drop recover bc

shadow ball is very good

I’ve even see Gholdengos running shadow ball f blast recover plot

[lilac karma]

son 😭

[wide girder]

https://pokepast.es/dbcb9117d760a1d2
Hello, I'm trying to build a team with Gyarados and I wanted to know how I could improve it, please 😁

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

i think for gyarados you wand a more HO structure

you can take out bronzong and pech i think

make tusk rocks

make samu sash

then add either pult/ghold

if u add pult make it mixed pult

the lorb mixed pult set on smogon

and then add in cm val

[wide girder]

https://pokepast.es/95178837ad287a1c

[inner terrace]

ok you only need one of ghold or pult

take out ghold

add in val

make val cm

[wide girder]

ok

https://pokepast.es/18d6d2d5e9a2f8e7

[inner terrace]

yeah this is fine

if u want to use taunt over encore on val u can but i dont think you need to

yeah keep it encore

unless u struggle a lot to stall

[wide girder]

Are you sure the team is ready this time, lol?

[inner terrace]

yeah

im just saying you can change a couple of moves based on how it feels in testing

but for now this is good

[wide girder]

thanks handsome

[swift pumice]

Putting iron valiant on a team seems like good general advice

[queen saddle]

this is a wild thing to say

[queen saddle]

i dont know if iron valiant is choice scarf, choice band, choice specs, booster energy, calm mind, swords dance, destiny bond
Iron Valiant used Encore!
…fuck

[swift pumice]

Real, people give ogerpon flack for doing everything, but valiant is the real Swiss army knife. I'm running booster speed, calm mind, encore, moonblast, thunderbolt, tera electric

Very fun

[tame laurel]

https://pokepast.es/b5af4d3292ce5239

[queen saddle]

get rid of Ace for a hazard abuser

since Ace is just adding your hazards to your field

and make Pult specs

[tame laurel]

what should i use instead of ace

[queen saddle]

I like booster Moth there

[tame laurel]

why

[warm vigil]

https://pokepast.es/42387eae0ffb426e

[nocturne sable]

Make chomp dual hazards. Drop ace here.

Make meow choice scarf

Ghold air balloon potentially.

Then drop pult for pecha maybe.

Replace ace for hatt

https://pokepast.es/e4e49c0020a25624 something like this kinda

[tame laurel]

yo preciate it dude

[queen saddle]

what a unique team… air balloon on…

peli…

a flying type….

[knotty sundial]

technically not completely useless cause of roost

[queen saddle]

hey so this team can genuinely work but the sets and stats need to be uh

completely overhauled man

I’d help but busy rn, you could just try out standard sets and even special dnite lmao but probably not

[knotty sundial]

I am confused by the name

[queen saddle]

also thundy is not great

[knotty sundial]

there is no terrain

[nocturne sable]

Okay so this team is unviable in standard sv OU. Mainly the sets here.

I recommend you use sample teams to learn the meta in the meantime

[warm vigil]

💔 i hate using meta teams bc it ends up being the same thing my opponent is using

my other team is very close to a sampe i saw tho

gholdengo, kingambit etc etc

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Pokemon Showdown! room
• Discord
• Metagame discussion thread
• Role compendium
• Speed tiers
• Viability rankings
• Sample teams

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne sable]

Well I mean, the team isn’t really salvageable so not much I can do tbh

[knotty sundial]

which team?

none of the sample teams have both gholdengo and kingambit

[warm vigil]

https://pokepast.es/0c5c29ce20564150 I read Smogon forums for tips on synergy and such. I also took notes from the sample teams and saw how they performed against meta characters. My new result

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

so most of the mons you have here fit together pretty well but the sets are all not really useable

• theres no teras on anything

[warm vigil]

wait this might be a stupid question but whats the point of changing teras if none of the moves i use have tera changes?

[warm vigil]

wdym sets btw (im new to showdown)

[final relic]

oh

the 4 moves and ev spreads on your pokemon

[warm vigil]

ohhh

well the gliscor was meant to just be for hazard

[final relic]

ok so generally you can't really get away with slotting >1 hazard on any pokemon since that restricts the other 2 moveslots way too much

[warm vigil]

i see

[final relic]

basically the only exceptions at least in terms of sv ou are deoxys and ting lu, and even then youre basically making them set spikes + rocks and not much else

[warm vigil]

would it be better to switch out the spikes or stealth rock

[final relic]

tspikes generally arent worth slotting on most hazard setters but they are decent if for example glimmora sets them with its abilit

[warm vigil]

i see

[warm vigil]

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Crabhammer
• Sludge Bomb
• Brick Break

is this better?

[final relic]

no

i'd suggest reading the analysis pages for the mons you want to use here first

[warm vigil]

where would i go about finding these

[final relic]

the teambuilder links to them or you can search "pokemon sv" so like this and itll usually be the first result

[inner terrace]

i think these teams you need to know what you're doing to make them fit as well

[final relic]

yea

[inner terrace]

cause these teams rely even more on denying hazard control

[warm vigil]

omg im slow

ty

[final relic]

np

[warm vigil]

Glimmora @ Power Herb
Ability: Toxic Debris
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Meteor Beam
• Earth Power
• Mortal Spin
• Stealth Rock

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• Encore

using the analysis pages + viability ranking, these are two pokemon i have so far

[final relic]

if you want help building the team i.e. picking the 6 to use

go to #comp-general

this is for help on already complete teams

[warm vigil]

oh my bad

thanks

[final relic]

its fine

yea kinda confusing system if youre new but all g

[knotty sundial]

https://pokepast.es/8992b919a141584e

[inner terrace]

make pult boots

make corv faster too, like 120 speed on it if you want

i run 196 speed on mine sometimes but harder to do on balance

120 should be good enough anyways unless you lose to jolly gambit a lot which idt matters with wisp pult

make clef knock over twave

take future sight off of gking and make it psynoise

take sludge bomb off and make it flamethrower

[knotty sundial]

should i take out of hp or def?

[knotty sundial]

darts wisp hex u-turn?

[inner terrace]

either is fine, some do hp sone do defense, i generally put the hp to 208 and rest defense

i had a reason for this way but ive forgotten

it's probably some optimization

[inner terrace]

and yes

[knotty sundial]

kk thanks for the help

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/2dc4c94702ccaa04

This got me onto the ladder, must be heat

Oop hang on

Fixed

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/02067e0aa03db2f4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

holy
shit your team only has one move that can miss

I might steal this shit

Im tired of missing

[queen saddle]

Pult should be boots

you have nb that can beat gambit otherwise when it’s boosted and Lu is chipped

well

not saying Pult can beat gambit

with willo

but it helps

[jade cedar]

I mean I can make corv body pressn woger can be dealt with pult

[queen saddle]

could also use specs rai if you do that change if you still want immediate pressure

[queen saddle]

body press is only good w idef really

which you’d have to place over uturn

and then that makes you dinner to balloon Ghold

[jade cedar]

not necessarily

[queen saddle]

The only thing you’re hitting is Gambit

and assuming it doesnt tera

thats a 2HKO majority of the time

[jade cedar]

which as you said is a problem, also the likes of ting lu, ttar

[queen saddle]

Lu does not care about a body press if it chip down your corvi extremely well with ruination

Lemme pull calcs rq

also just uturn on tar

that shit is doing too much damage anyways if its band

252+ Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu: 136-162 (26.4 - 31.5%) -- 19.6% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

[jade cedar]

ting lu has no recovery other then leftovers, any damage is permanent

[queen saddle]

It’s at best for your case clicking tera

and at worst ruinating into eq to execute your corvi

or just spam ruination so it’s never healthy

[queen saddle]

rest lu is still a thing, so that also makes you struggle
not forgetting to mention how corvi is still taking too much so that your core could be broken

letting mons like woger be able to come in and take away a mon whenever something like Lu comes out

[jade cedar]

far less common then the utility, also rest opens up a lot of opportunities

[jade cedar]

pretty much can be solved with good play

[queen saddle]

I just dont think press without idef is good, isnt uturning on tar and lu better

?

again it only helps with gambit and you’re losing your switching utility

letting people take control due to passivity on Corvi

Rai could run willo if you wanna keep band pult even or focus blast

You want to keep pivoting with this team

just in and out to your offensive threats

[jade cedar]

which exactly why we keep bp and u-turn, id is good but I'm not planning for corv to be a setter

[queen saddle]

that’s the point of BO

[queen saddle]

but BP just becomes weak against Woger and doesn’t even chunk Kyurem enough for what it does back (assuming non-dd, then this statement doesn’t apply if dd)

it doesn’t check the things it pivots into that well anymore

[jade cedar]

woger can still be slow-pivoted on in bring pult that either kills, forces a switch or burn something

[queen saddle]

wait

could this just become boots spam and you dont use defog

[jade cedar]

would need knock off absorbers for that

[queen saddle]

Corvi

yeah corvi doesn’t gaf abt knock

like skarm

and then this can just be boots spam so you carry idef body press

and I dont think you need scarf Ghold with 2 very fast mons

it could be a nasty plot spin blocker

with scarf Rai if you want a faster mon than Pult ig

boots I’d pick tho

and then a choiced dragapult for damage, again could be swapped with rai

this way Gambit is checked with Corvi and your core isnt weak to hazards at all without defog

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4e2232a179fbd51f something like this?

[queen saddle]

I meant only one choiced mon, but this can be fine
I dont mean you gotta go skarm, because Corvi can still pivot in and out, but you can do smth like this too

I prefer corvi though

[jade cedar]

I can go with something like boots rai

[queen saddle]

Yeah

You either way corvi and run dual hazards Lu or run Skarm, Lu should be able to handle Ghold well enough anyways

run t ghost Lu tho

[jade cedar]

I feel like corv as the only that can take physical hits can be worn down

[queen saddle]

understandable

I did notice there is no water resist but between dragon Skarm for Woger and water Gking for Wake

you should be fine

[jade cedar]

why half of my teams always turn into hs or boots spam 😭

[queen saddle]

Dont rlly consider Pult as a real water resist due to fraility

[queen saddle]

I have a similar team to this lel

I think I ran pech skarm Lu core

which you could consider as a spin blocker and run another mon over ghold but your team alr looks fine

the main problem really is Lu tanking too much hazard damage

which I’ve experienced w these kinds of teams

[jade cedar]

also can you help with a team idk how to fix, it needs removal but idk what mon to switch for

[queen saddle]

sure

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/56058426c56e9112 it's pivot spam

[queen saddle]

oh this is an easy fix

boots defog Scizor

then use specs Bolt for offensive pressure since no banded Scizor

[jade cedar]

won't I need some sort of power?

[jade cedar]

oh kk

[jade cedar]

btw is the team good?

[queen saddle]

I feel like AV or sp def Alo could be used, js another spdef mon over gking

actually you could run my fav core pecharunt and spdef tres

that way Kyurem becomes manageable

[jade cedar]

is something like av prim good?

[queen saddle]

gets chipped down by hazards tm imo

but wake does kinda

beat you down

I dont like AV prim and samu in the same team tho might js be me

[jade cedar]

what's the set for spd moltres?

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/234256fc9a120f86

TSSmaxxing

I made this in the olden days so I lowkey forget what the magneton spread is for

Probably js outspeed gambit

No it isnt actually

Idk

[queen saddle]

normal defensive set

roar/willo roost uturn flame

[queen saddle]

this is decent but could use edits
Skarm and Mag along with tusk could be taken off for Drill and Zama

And Pex could be eject button or turned into AV Gking

consider Sinistcha to be a Hydrapple

Not too sure what to use as a last slot

[swift pumice]

https://pokepast.es/2dc4c94702ccaa04 Ok so it was good right until I lost 100 elo in a row, may have just played doodoo but uhhhhh let's see what the crowd thinks

[queen saddle]

vgc ahh rilla

anyways make it terrain extender

[swift pumice]

Why so

[queen saddle]

more turns for less lorb chip and ghold to pop

plus u got av sam

[swift pumice]

True, reasonable

Oh yeah samu needs tera poison again, ghost isn't worth

[swift pumice]

I was gone but I'll continue where I left off. Biggest issues for the team are enamorus, bolt, and cinderace + meowscarada paired together. So not a lot of stuff, but it's pretty overbearing

Rain is ok, sun is better, haven't lost to trick room in ages so that's fine, haven't seen stall since adding valiant but it should be fine

[plain hamlet]

I cooked up this hyper offense team forever ago, yall think its any good?
https://pokepast.es/0b270d820309ac89

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

It seems fine

I'd say deo s would rather have psycho boost

Cause it can blast smth like tusk in a pinch

[plain hamlet]

psy boost over superpower or one of the hazards?

gonna put it over superpower then move the evs to sp attack and change nature to -atk +spe

[inner terrace]

skill swap over superpower

you dont really have a way to keep hazards up so a ghost type here would be nice

pult over prim should do it

lorb mixed pult

[plain hamlet]

aw man, i really like prim tho

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/23db8967c92a06ab
Built this team bc my gf loves Sylveon

Thoughts?

[final relic]

no removal isnt great

[queen saddle]

This Sylveon actually checks Kyurem and Wake (non sp atk booster)

[final relic]

feels like you just replaced clef with sylveon here

[queen saddle]

Boots spam

[final relic]

yh your sylveon isn’t boots

probably should be

if youre trying to build around it

[plain hamlet]

if it'll improve the team though I guess I'll have to take the hit to my pride and swap it though

[queen saddle]

lefties and boots can provide similar results but alr

[final relic]

the alternative is like av and being shittier prim

on a more offensive team

[queen saddle]

It’s meant to kinda just wish pass whenever needed and also win sometimes with calm mind hyper voice

which goes thru Kyurem sub being able to check all but dd

and tanking Wake even after rocks comfortably

[final relic]

yea you definitely want boots here i think

[queen saddle]

alr but btw should I make it tera water to check Wake easier

Bc like

I wont need the tera vs Kyurem imo

[final relic]

especially since your spin block is pech who often likes to pop a tera ghost on tusk

which leaves you with no tspikes absorber

[queen saddle]

takes 33 from specs ice beam

[final relic]

yeah water would be fine

[queen saddle]

alr

does it look fine tho?

after the change

[final relic]

well

as fine as a team with sylveon on it can be

yeah

[queen saddle]

hey man sylveon is tuff

[lavish shale]

https://pokepast.es/14e9b53c3f29a076

A still in initial test volt turn team using AV Primarina, played 3 games but wasn't really something to take notes bc was pretty low ladder. I'm not sure about moltres, and corv is my defoger bc i already had 2 mons weak to ground ( 3 if primarina tera ), but idk what the team is lacking, the idea is using both band scizor and primarina

[queen saddle]

you have no ground type or a rocker

and you lack immense speed control

[knotty sundial]

you don't have entry hazards

oh you said that alr mb

[lavish shale]

I really dont

Thats funny

[queen saddle]

hazard stack beats your team due to gholdengo

and SD tera water Woger

[knotty sundial]

woger can't be any other tera lol

[queen saddle]

still he loses to a lot
of stuff

it’s not fast enough for the volt turn to matter that much imo

nor does it have enough answers to much

[lavish shale]

I was thinking about not using tusk and making corv as hazard control bc he was bulkier on phys side, so i didn't remember about lack of ground type and hazard

[queen saddle]

dragapult is a giga threat when Prim is chipped

tbh I dont rlly like this team, I’d use a sample one
I don’t feel as if it’s salvageable,
or at least not without changing the entire thing

[knotty sundial]

tusk is more physically bulky than corv

[queen saddle]

it can still be volt turn but many things have to go and yeah

[lavish shale]

I really just wanna use the scizor and pool prima tbf

[queen saddle]

didnt even eye whirlpool prim

[lavish shale]

The idea is volt turn with those 2

[knotty sundial]

whirlpool prim is a thing

[queen saddle]

it’s legit but I dont think this team is the way for it

[queen saddle]

Whirlpool Prim is used to trap threats

that beat your team down

this prim really doesnt do any of that

at best it’s trapping a greedy Lu who wants rocks

at worst… literally any pivot like gking with a switch move

[lavish shale]

I went with it instead of CM with the idea of uturn sciz > prima whirl a scizor threath such as tusk, cind or wake > beat them > flip

But just surface, didnt really thought about it too much as a whole

[queen saddle]

I think you could try learning more of the meta game before trying to form a team like this

because volt turn is fun but can get countered

real quick

Iron Treads and Molt/Zap is your worst nightmare

[knotty sundial]

yeah problem is they will just switch out before you use whirlpool

[lavish shale]

I have a bit of experience with volt turn on uu, but im not THAT familiar with ou

[knotty sundial]

scizor and cinderace come in, you u-turn out into idk pyro ball, and then next turn you clikc whirlpool but they've switched out cinderace to waterpon

[lavish shale]

Which is why i wanted to use it (also scizor is cool)

[blissful nebula]

Band Scizor tera rock blast

[queen saddle]

what..?

[blissful nebula]

Hits moltres and zap

[queen saddle]

also requires tera and a horrible defensive one at that

[blissful nebula]

Just win

[queen saddle]

when you could knock to cripple them

[blissful nebula]

It could easily be supported by a good team

Healing wish Enam

Or Hatt

[knotty sundial]

scizor doesn't even learn rock blast

lol

[blissful nebula]

Tera blast rock

[knotty sundial]

oh

[queen saddle]

it’s lwk just a waste of tera

when you can again,

click knock iff

off

get up rocks

and make the birds become bums

[blissful nebula]

Anti fun I see

[queen saddle]

I’m speaking from a comp point

[blissful nebula]

It can be competitive for sure

[queen saddle]

it’s also just a wasted moveslot
for smth

like cc for gambit

you’re either losing uturn knock and cc

and all are very valuable tools

all for the sake of
haha rock tera

[blissful nebula]

Scizor is losing to gambit anyway that can’t be your gambit answer

[nocturne sable]

This the type of team a low ladder players loads up in the builder and think they cooked. Happens I been in that position before.

Definitely don’t need both physdef corv+molt.

Volt turn core of scizor+bolt+prim is not that bad, but it’s pretty slow you definitely want speed control to help with that.

Great tusk obvious good fit here. Potential Rocks setter, hazard removal, ground type, and can help with gambit when needed.

Glowking is also nice here. Tspikes absorber+check to special kyurem and fairy types like Ival and Enam.

last slot maybe scarf Lando-T for speed control as it gives you a ground resist and can help with the pace of the team. You can run 4 attacks with like earthquake U-turn stone edge and Tera blast(ice or flying type) as your last move. Can also try scarf rocks Lando-T over tera blast and make great tusk 3 attacks

[queen saddle]

Scizor can beat Gambit if it’s healthy and unboosted

but either way cc is not just for that

cc has

a lot of uses

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think the initial idea of the team was bad is just that the supporting Pokemon where meh, moltres corv woger does not really synergies well as a core

[queen saddle]

steel fighting is good coverage

yk

90 bp priority along with a 120bp coverage move

that can hit resists or even neutrals

[knotty sundial]

*90 bp stab priority

[queen saddle]

well

yeah

thats what I meant

but ok

[knotty sundial]

wait you alr accoutned for that I'm stupid

[queen saddle]

lel

this guy lowkey reminds me of smb I saw on the ladder

using tera rock tera blast Za

I think it was banded but couldve been boots this was a while back

[blissful nebula]

Tera rock Zama can be good tho but you already have Stone Edge for stab

[queen saddle]

tera rock Zama and good in the same sentence

[knotty sundial]

rock is just not a great typing to have usually

[blissful nebula]

whats your elo

[queen saddle]

the only reason why garg is balanced btw

and a tera hog

[knotty sundial]

yea lol

well

it's also pretty passive

[queen saddle]

avg around 1650 to high 1700 but I tilted asf rn

I think like

1590 🥹

I got crit twice in a row by enam on sticky web and didnt look at chat

I thought it was specs

then my pech got earth powered

🥹

[knotty sundial]

rip

[queen saddle]

also this other mofo kept critting for no reason too

[nocturne sable]

Guys can we not go off topic here. Like if you want to argue about this go to #comp-general

Tl:dr Tera rock is usable since a lot of the premier physical walls in the tier (molt,zap, etc) get clipped. Not the most popular Tera but it’s usable

[queen saddle]

oh yeah mbmb

[lavish shale]

AV glowking?

[nocturne sable]

Regular boots should be fine

[lavish shale]

Or twave would be overkill with land scarf already?

[nocturne sable]

Just run ice flamethrower as last move for like gholdengo

So psychic move chilly sludge bomb flamethrower

[blissful nebula]

any team with sets that are directly supported can be good in SV
There’s a ton of viable lower tier mons with un sets that can be good
The thing about building is having an open mind and experimenting
Tera blast is king

[queen saddle]

#comp-general I’ll reply to you there

[lavish shale]

About glowking, u think tera fairy to help wall wake and kyurem is pref over tera water?

[nocturne sable]

Tera water

[lavish shale]

Aight, made all the changes, thanks for the help

[fallen coyote]

https://pokepast.es/c53c3f9730e5d7e2\

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

make the volcanion taunt fire spin

taunt fire spin steam eruption sludge bomb

i think that helps with breaking issues

[fallen coyote]

Okay anything else

What does this do over eruption

sorry i mean overheat

[inner terrace]

you trap gking

and stall mons

right now your only real breaker is band meow

and dark gambit i guess

[fallen coyote]

okay what about other parts of the team

[lofty ether]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1568461 can anyone help me fix my team? i wanna keep bisharp (but i’m willing to change its moves and stuff) but i’m focused on making it a better balance team

[knotty sundial]

I know you said you want to keep bisharp but it is pretty strictly outclassed by kingambit

252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Bisharp: 132-156 (48.7 - 57.5%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kingambit: 168-198 (49.2 - 58%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO

4 Atk Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Bisharp: 29-35 (10.7 - 12.9%) -- possible 8HKO

4 Atk Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 37-44 (10.8 - 12.9%) -- possible 8HKO

with eviolite the bulk is basically identical

and gambit is much more powerful and is free to run another item

it's a bit slower so that's something I suppose but like that's it, and bisharp isn't crazy fast to begin with

[lofty ether]

is there any more changes you’d make?

[knotty sundial]

low kick over brick break

specs pult usually runs u-turn rather than hydro pump

for pivoting

[lofty ether]

thats fair, i only had hydro pump for great tusk anyways

[knotty sundial]

play rough on mola is weird

with wish I'd go for the protect synergy usually

and change the speed IVs to 0 because opposing mola also runs 0 speed so you wanna at least try to speed tie with that

[lofty ether]

alr

is this good on kingambit?

i didn’t think i would need set up due to supreme overlord

[knotty sundial]

I'd run swords dance still bc the supreme overlord boost is unreliable, you'll often be using it while not many allies have fainted

[lofty ether]

true

[knotty sundial]

also you need entry hazards

and a more reliable method of hazard removal than court change

court change is fine but pretty inconsistent, and I think maybe you left off hazards because of that but you lose out on quite a bit of important chip if you do that

[lofty ether]

how would i be able to fit hazards tho

[lofty ether]

wait doesn’t this mean replacing cinderace for a hazard stacker

[knotty sundial]

if you change Zapdos to a physically defensive spread it'll improve the great tusk matchup

moves are fine, just the EVs

wait no

[lofty ether]

yea i just realized zapdos is my only ground immunity, i don’t have any other resists

[knotty sundial]

replace thunder

[lofty ether]

with thunderbolt?

[knotty sundial]

with either discharge or thunder wave

[lofty ether]

ohh okay

[knotty sundial]

physdef mola is also nice for it

not a ground resist but

it's pretty bulky and has scald

[lofty ether]

i’m trying to see if there’s any more glaring weaknesses

well entry hazards is one

and removal

[nocturne sable]

This team is definitely doable with the 6 but I think it needs some change for now.

Av mola>physdef mola here.

Kingambit over bisharp obviously. Make gambit lefties here.

Offensive Zapdos wants volt switch heat wave hurricane roost as its moveslot with heavy duty boots

Cinderace also wants heavy duty boots here. Moveset is fine however.

Dragapult you want U-turn over hydro pump here.

Hmm actually maybe helmet great tusk>>iron valiant might be valid here

[lofty ether]

what would i run on alomomola if i use assault vest?

[warm vigil]

https://pokepast.es/b9548ab435f893a9 rain team with kingambit for last resort tank

[knotty sundial]

weather teams can't really afford their weather setter to be a rain dance user rather than a pokemon with drizzle as its ability, and venomoth and inteleon are pretty unviable in the tier

I would suggest finding a sample rain team to start out with instead

[warm vigil]

i dont see any on the sample page

[knotty sundial]

you could look for an rmt or something

[empty scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/b1f3a64e185ac2ef

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I feel like your team doesn’t like a scarf Rai

looks pretty good tho ngl

I dont like how defog is your best way of removing hazards but Ghold is very well managable

yeah just looks pretty standard unless Im missing smth

nice team

nvm you dont have rocks

Use rocks Lando

Actually could Lando be a Tusk on this team

rocks and spin is something your team wants

you alr have speed control with Pult

[muted apex]

https://pokepast.es/808a256088c459ba

Rate Hazard Stack + Tera Ice Specs Kyurem

won a lot of matches with this team

[nocturne sable]

Alomomola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 20 HP / 236 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Sassy Nature

• Flip Turn
• Scald
• Mirror Coat
• Play Rough

This is just the sample set though you can switch around the movesets between scald & playrough but I like the evs here personally

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/b02db390a37260f4

[final relic]

choiced mons on webs usually arent great

exception being enam who snowballs with stellar tblast

[inner terrace]

i think u should run a real item on ghold

[final relic]

you don’t need ability shield here yeah

[muted apex]

just worried about Neutralizing Gas Weezing

[inner terrace]

weez is never a threat anyways u just pnoise it

[final relic]

the whole point of webs is you have obscenely strong breakers

weezing shouldnt ever have a chance to remove webs

id make ghold a regular balloon set

[inner terrace]

imo webs wants removal somewhere

[final relic]

yeah you usually want like tusk in there somehow

treads works

[inner terrace]

over samu i think

i think with webs you kinda defeat the purpose with all hazards

[final relic]

probably also want to decide phys or special valiant

[muted apex]

mixed was intentional

[final relic]

mixed set with no setup isnt really great on this

i’d probably go with like

[inner terrace]

this is prolly fine to test

[muted apex]

anyways chose Protective Pads over other items on Samu cuz i fear Rough Skin and Rocky Helmet mons

[inner terrace]

the problem with samu is that you generally dont want to have all hazards on webs

because 1. the point of webs is that you dont really need em aside from webs

since you have so many brokens

and 2. you weaken yourself to court change

[queen saddle]

I love booster a treads

Who is switching into eq ice spinner supercell

… ignore Tusk

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/b3f54f1527916598

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

ik this teams slow but the first 3 is my core

[final relic]

lowkick tblast is bad

run iron head

[narrow crest]

over which one?

also realizing i have hazard control and no hazards

[nocturne sable]

It looks like you basically just made one of those hatt torn kyurem core teams and just made it kinda worst.

Av Kyu is fine. But gambit set is kinda wack like potato said. If you’re running max speed low kick gambit you always run iron head over Tera blast.

Anyways torn is usually av on structures like this. You can try double AV with kyu+torn, make glowking physdef for better MU into mons like woger & add great tusk here over dragonite or something because you desperately need that ground.

Tbh I don’t even think you need max speed low kick kingambit here just make it regular hp invested sd Tera blast fairy sucker punch kowtow

[narrow crest]

sounds good

maybe run knock over knot on torn

[nocturne sable]

Yea the standard av torn set

[torn scroll]

https://pokepast.es/fcedcb5c2127f477

Okay so i made a brand new team and hoping to see what adjustments I can make to it.

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/22d06d266f2508ed
potentially weak to ceru and tusk?

[tepid hazel]

so far in my opinion i think glowking is a weak link here that really makes you vulnerable to the 2 pokemon you mentioned in a first glimpse on this team, the dragonite set set seems particularly random as well, what was the idea for this team >? so far i just see 2 niche pokemon slapped in a team with no direction whatsoever and if i remember correctly at least when i use it i have only had success with electric terrain iron hands, as so far i have definitely had more success with it with tapu koko but i guess that is irrelevant...

i have seen volcanion iron hands with trick room it was even popular at ladder for a while due to that team hitting top 1 on the ladder 🤔

[cold cosmos]

the idea was shuca canion

[tepid hazel]

no pivoting is interesting for one, the great tusk looks very awkward to me. It looks like bulky offense and not gonna lie your great tusk and your hatterene's moves look pretty weird. since you already have heatran to trap i honestly recommend making great tusk and heatran offensive here and then i would definitely want healing wish on my hatterene here is what i would change, cool team overall!
here is there paste! https://pokepast.es/89c860d270c9493d

[cold cosmos]

and iron hands

the dragonite set is for garg

[tepid hazel]

interesting, may i ask what it accomplishes >?

[cold cosmos]

actuaally i don't need covert

[cold cosmos]

it baits treads/tusk for iron hands

[tepid hazel]

i see! but without idef iron hands is usually enough no ?

[cold cosmos]

or even fires off a wisp on eq nite

[tepid hazel]

i see

[cold cosmos]

actually

garg might not be an issue

[tepid hazel]

thanks for letting me know your idea... so what is the aimed archetype or there is no defined one

[cold cosmos]

since i have glowking

as for glowking

without glowking im weak to deo-s, ival, zmazenta

[tepid hazel]

i see, i mean the team so far looks a bit awkward to me in general.

[cold cosmos]

hmm

[tepid hazel]

like the fact that you are weak to tusk is bad

[tepid hazel]

@cold cosmos

[cold cosmos]

BO i believe

[tepid hazel]

okay! perfect! my specialty hahaha

i like rilla here @cold cosmos

so you do not have to think about shuca

is usually how i do things 😊

[cold cosmos]

i thought about that actually

[tepid hazel]

why not then ? curious

okay so no rilla is preferred or ?

asking

[cold cosmos]

but that weakens our nite and treads' damage

[tepid hazel]

i have not tested this so

[tepid hazel]

i mean dnite can literally run anything else and high horsepower apparently mostly does not change a lot of interactions

just gonna hate the chance it can miss

[cold cosmos]

hmm true

rilla over what?

[tepid hazel]

i honestly do not like dnite not gonna lie ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and change like cada

to someone else

[cold cosmos]

scale nite with rilla could work no?

[tepid hazel]

well yes! i just do not like dnite rilla is all... but feel free to do so !

[cold cosmos]

oh fair enough

ty for this btw

helpful

[tepid hazel]

well i would like to collab on teambuilding

actually

just so we are on the same page hahaha

what is the spdef ivs for @cold cosmos

on uh

treads

not gonna lie i genuinely think iron hands sucks in general on svou.

just an opinion though, would like to be proven wrong

[cold cosmos]

more bulk

the speed allows it to outspeed kyurem

[tepid hazel]

so just to tank more okay

[cold cosmos]

yes

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/5772578413339974

Mogger team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I see tinkaton team

I like

you could turn this into hazard stack and change that lowkey gimmicky dnite set

It’s usually unreliable and very matchup dependent

Tusk seems very spammable into you

btw didnt see spikes with Meow but anyways

I feel like you either keep Tink for rocks and use idef Za or remove the Tink and keep rocks Garg

since Tink wants to be the primary rocker but this team needs speed control so idef Za > Idef Garg

And I like Woger more than Meow here

SD Woger spikes Glis rocks Garg Idef Za Pech and Dnite
Rocks Tink is also useable but I think Garg is better?

and 3a Dnite or 2a dd roost

btw t ghost pech should always be sball but imo dark is useable too because a problem can appear with banded pult

specs is lightwork with Garg same with boots

But band is a threat

also helps with the Weavile matchup

[deep parcel]

What about tealpon?

It gets to keep hdb

While having woger’s utility

Anyways thank you for the advice I will be chagning the team

[deep parcel]

Wb fat nite?

I already have setup with gliscor

And there’s not much I miss out on

[queen saddle]

Honestly forgot you have no removal

HDB teal should be fine

[queen saddle]

Glis should be spikes and dnite should be abusing the spikes

Not Glis

[deep parcel]

ohh okay

[proud canyon]

can ayone help im reletively new to this teambuilding
https://pokepast.es/b37eb58409422638
for context:
decidueye - he is the main pokemon im building aorund in the first place, even if he cant be good im still trying to make the best team i can with him
araquanid - as a web setter, i was told webs HO was the way to go if i was insistant on using decidueye
thunderous - i wanted something to easily always beat great tusk to support gholdengo
Mamoswine - idk why its here to be honest, ig i wanted a stong knock of user to get rid of boots to make my webs do something
Great tusk - its great tusk, need i say more
Goldengo - its gholdengo, need i say more

[queen saddle]

Ribombee is a lot more consistent in webs imo

if it’s HO

I dont rlly like dual plot and well

what does long reach even do

[regal ginkgo]

Decidueye (Gen 9)

Typing

Grass / Ghost

Abilities

0: Overgrow | H: Long Reach

Base Stats (BST: 530)

78 / 107 / 75 / 100 / 100 / 70

Weight

36.6 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

12.5% Female

[queen saddle]

yikes those stats r ass

SD is the way to go tho

I feel like it can be a decent spin blocker alongside Ghold but banded Mamo is not it

If you want a knocker try Weavile

gives you speed control and whatnot

thundy is probably your main breaker so ig keep plot and NP Ghold is best anyways so its wtv

this is probably decent for a uh

deci team

maybe consider changing t blast to focus blast or fairy blast

[nocturne sable]

Not a bad idea. How ever mamo and boots tusk just seem random here.

Tusk likes to be booster energy on ho structures like this. Banded Mamo just doesn’t fit here at all

[queen saddle]

so gambit cant stop your sweep as easily

tbh if deci’s stats were better it could spin block tusk

like sinsitcha

lmao

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/a47be85dfc696a32 I think you can try something like this for now

[torn scroll]

Thanks for the Suggestion for my team, ill definitely take into consideration and see what would be good once I get more opinions for improvements on the team.

[nocturne sable]

Okay so I was going to say this looks like standard meow stack but the sets are off.

Why go for spikes meow+double stealth rock on garg+tinka??? You don’t need double rocks. Make garg curse set and keep tinka as the solo rocks setter.

Much rather make Scor knock eq spikes protect set here to deal with and just make meow 4 attacks with Knock off u-turn triple axel flower trick.

Also if you’re running Tera ghost pecha you run shadow ball not foul play.

[inner terrace]

could run lorb rai on webs

or boots

actually thund already boots

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a9b61c2dde560567

[nocturne sable]

Isn’t this just the specs rai sample team except you replaced garg and dnite with pech and woger

[jade cedar]

wait, give me a sec

oh god it does look like it, I swear I didn't stole it

[nocturne sable]

Happens, a lot of teams happen to be similar when you’re building on the builder dw lol

[jade cedar]

is it a downgrade of it? feels like the screen mu is impossible

[nocturne sable]

Yea I think I’ll just stick to the sample for now

[jade cedar]

is there anything saving it that won't just turn it into the sample

[nocturne sable]

Tbh I do like the 5 of rai pech torn hat tusk so ig you can just keep that.

But maybe I would use offensive ace with like pyro gunk shot U-turn here over woger

[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/3445838d421066bb i havent used this team as much as i wanted to but is there any notable weaknesses

and this is for ou

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper chasm]

sinistcha mentioned

[nocturne sable]

This is as standard bootspam/Hstack as you can get with UU mons. All mons here synergies well and are perfectly viable in OU

[inner terrace]

i think u want exca over tinka though imo

to have the ground

does lati get trick

yes right

[nocturne sable]

Yes

It does

[inner terrace]

think it should have it

[nocturne sable]

Oh it’s not trick here?

[inner terrace]

no

[atomic mango]

ive been using flip turn for the pivot

but trick is prob more useful for stall

[nocturne sable]

You can use dual stab flip turn trick

[inner terrace]

i think u want trick here just cause gambit can be a nuisance

[nocturne sable]

Mold breaker utility exca not bad tbh

[inner terrace]

but yea i think u have to run exca

cause bolt otherwise just wins

[atomic mango]

yea

[inner terrace]

and theres no ground i really like from uu

aside from exca

[nocturne sable]

Exca can still guarantee rocks with mold breaker, then you also have a spinner on top of that

[atomic mango]

yea hatt is kinda annoying

[chrome quartz]

Hello! Im new and this is like basically my first team I made for sv ou:https://pokepast.es/d2a7445daf1a82a0 can yall rate it and mabye doi some suggestions please?

[paper chasm]

clodsire doesn't fit here at all

[chrome quartz]

oh

[paper chasm]

hatterene > clodsire you need better hazard control

[knotty sundial]

clodsire mostly only fits on like more stallish teams

it's very passive

[chrome quartz]

what do i do against like setup tho?

[paper chasm]

attack

[chrome quartz]

oh

[paper chasm]

so they don't have a chance to set up

[knotty sundial]

you can prevent it with taunt, you can use sucker punch, you can outspeed with wake

[chrome quartz]

poh yea

i never thought of it before lmao

[knotty sundial]

oh or first impression

[chrome quartz]

ok

[knotty sundial]

there are defensive ways of dealing with setup and also offensive ways

[chrome quartz]

like...?

[knotty sundial]

the priority moves and other speed control I mentioned are examples of that

whereas a defensive mon might use haze or unaware or boost its own defenses

[chrome quartz]

so hazard control...?

[knotty sundial]

(like clodsire)

[chrome quartz]

for clod

[knotty sundial]

hazard control is important on any team

but especially on sun teams which tend to have a lot of hazard vulnerable pokemon

[paper chasm]

not mono boots

[knotty sundial]

even then you are susceptible to knock off

either way it's especially important on sun teams

[chrome quartz]

ok

it only 1 fire type thoooo

[knotty sundial]

and because of that hatterene is quite common because it provides that, and you can give it an eject button and healing wish

to pivot

[knotty sundial]

slither wing is bug, also spikes

[chrome quartz]

yea...

how should i use hatterene

like what set

[paper chasm]

eject button

[chrome quartz]

ok

[knotty sundial]

it's on Smogon

[chrome quartz]

healing wish?

[knotty sundial]

yeah

[chrome quartz]

is it better like this..? https://pokepast.es/33248780c90c3f53

is there like any better ev spreads?

and natures

[jade cedar]

sry forget to respond but won't I need a set up mon so I don't fold to really bulky cores or stall?

[nocturne sable]

Specs rai+offensive cinderace can break through bulky cores

[queen saddle]

say that to the choice band clodsire

trust bro

it’s stronger than banded Pex 🥹

[queen saddle]

just use the standard set and also

if you’re running Tork make it rocks and run a Great Tusk over Lando

and imo run raging bolt over Gambit

benefits a lot more from sun

I dislike this slither set Im ngl it’s just unviable

I’d replace it with a steel but I think it’s also fine just

should run cc flare blitz uturn first impression

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/4c2be8836ba4610d specs iron moth balance

[proud canyon]

Thank you so much for ur help!!

Is not a problem that this team doesn’t have a knock off user? don’t most teams have boots on multiple Pokémon and kinda ruin sticky web?

Again I’m pretty new so I could just be wrong

[topaz pivot]

https://pokepast.es/dd41cbc2dcbd67ad

In desperate need of fine tuning

[quaint halo]

i would change zamazenta's moveset, remove close combat for body press and heavy slam for iron defense

[nocturne sable]

A lot of web teams usually don’t run moves like knock off

[proud canyon]

Oh ok, and btw did you mean to put leftovers on darkrai, doesn’t life orb or something make more sense on hyper offence?

[nocturne sable]

Leftovers is fine for hp recovery, lo is also good depends on what you want

I just always go for lefties personally

[queen saddle]

Kyurem absolutely mauls this team

and also specs Moth is used on sun to amplify its power

specs moth by itself can struggle to things like gking

esp av

alo too makes it struggle

and I wouldnt rlly call this balance either

Just change the Hatt into a defensive pivot and it’s suddenly a bulky offense

[proud canyon]

And also I’ve been experimenting with life orb deci instead of spell tag, I use suckerpunch instead of shadow sneak when I do this

[queen saddle]

sneak with stab and spell tag is stronger than sucker tho

and dark and ghost hit similar targets

Sneak is 60BP with stab

sucker is 70

with spell tag sneak is stronger than base sucker

and ofc while lorb is stronger it also is yk

a little more reliant on the opponent and mindgames

feel like sneak is more reliable

sucker isnt bad obviously look at kingfuckinggambit

but yeah

[queen saddle]

with h stack I feel like you want an abuser over gking

I’d say struggles w Kyurem but fine use of Tar makes it manageable but not great

I think you could make Gking AV or smth else

I’m mainly talking abt this being a hazard stack btw if you wanna pivot this into an offense of some sort with sand just use AV gking and Hydrapple with Drill over Gliscor

and if you want another mon over Ghold but this is fine too

[proud canyon]

Lifeorb suckerpunch is 91 basepower , spell tag shadow sneak is 72, but are you saying sneak spell tag is better? I mean I’m not very knowledgeable on competitive yet so I’ll use whatever set people recommend

[queen saddle]

I think it is

because yk

you can actually tank a hit that isnt super effective

Like deci’s bulk is not great

but it can usually tank 1 neutral hit

or even tusks ice spinner

then set up

yk

poltergeist can ACTUALLY hurt

and shadow sneak is doing damage to faster targets still

and it’s nice to have an sd mon not walled by Alo

(walled by Molt/Zap/Corvi but it’s okay!

[outer shard]

could anyone rate my team? this is my first one ever and im tryna get better :)
https://pokepast.es/c02cd5998df435ab

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

so generally sand you want to have like backup speed control + good breakers

dont recommend gastro or lando here honestly because they dont really give you that

you also want to use either no setup on ttar or utility on ttar

so rocks on ttar not dd

as for the 2 mons we just dropped you want a water resist and speed

and some breaking power

so waterpon is good here

think just 3a uturn is good here

and then since you're weak to gambit use idef zama

that should be solid

[outer shard]

sorry whats a 3a?

[inner terrace]

3 attack

so like

ivy cudgel, power whip, knock off, uturn

or something like that

[outer shard]

oh okay

[outer shard]

also im like not tryna use too many legendaries cus i dont really like them 😭

im sorry

[inner terrace]

then switch out zapdos for skarm

make it brave bird skarm

then use primarina

and zamazenta

this way your only legendary is zamazenta

although now you run into breaking issues

but can be doable cause ttar has knock off and u have dual hazards

[outer shard]

is zamazenta that good?

[inner terrace]

yes

thats like top 2 sv ou mons

[outer shard]

kk ill use zama and ogerpon

and drop zapdos for skarmory?

[inner terrace]

if u use pon then no

[stray osprey]

can someone rate my ou team, im kinda new to this:
boomboom (Metagross) @ Normal Gem
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Bullet Punch
• Knock Off
• Explosion

LGBTboom (Weezing-Galar) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Misty Surge
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Haze
• Defog
• Taunt
• Misty Explosion

yeet (Staraptor) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Final Gambit
• Close Combat
• Brave Bird
• U-turn

fishrocket (Veluza) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flip Turn
• Psycho Cut
• Final Gambit
• Aqua Jet

zapbomb (Golem-Alola) @ Choice Band
Ability: Galvanize
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Explosion
• Double-Edge
• Volt Switch
• Stone Edge

clutch (Kingambit) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch
• Low Kick

(unban last respects plssss. itll be funni)

Edit:
heres my thought process:
suicide lead staraptor able fgambit and oneshot most leads therefore, likely no hazards.

the exception is lando-t which runs max hp leaving it at a sliver of hp, which then i can easily revenge ko with scarf veluza.

hazards DO go up, but thats why my weezing has defog

metagross sets up hazard and explodes

golem is a high-risk high reward nuke that can basically oneshot anything with its explosion, leading to kingambit sweep

[knotty sundial]

to be honest a lot of these mons/sets aren't very ou viable

I'd recommend trying out some sample teams first to give you an idea

[stray osprey]

alr

[outer shard]

oh so who should i use then

[inner terrace]

pon zama zap

[queen saddle]

use pokepaste please

the pokemon used here also have unviable sets or are unviable

like ascension said

although if you wanna be funny you can still use staraptor

it’s lowkey ass but I’ve seen it in the ladder

[sand belfry]

hi im sorry for pinging you

but could you rate my team please and help me out?

this is my first team ever

https://pokepast.es/a82b3cd868985bdc

[queen saddle]

sure no problem

[sand belfry]

and im not sure who else to add

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand belfry]

thank you

[queen saddle]

wasnt this the team Quacc rated?

Or are you a different guy who somehow made a completely similar team

give me a sec

Oh wow you just made a very similar team lol

anyways

[sand belfry]

um huh

did i copy someone?

[queen saddle]

You actually are not that far from making a good team

[queen saddle]

On accident, it happens

great minds think alike

[sand belfry]

oh okay

i really like excadrill its my favourite pokemon

apart from spoink

[queen saddle]

Ddance tar is not really viable in todays gen, so you want to use the standard utility set with knock off, rocks, ice beam, and roar

[sand belfry]

kk

[queen saddle]

And Excadrill’s set would be fine but you don’t have any hazard removal, since Zap lost defog
So you want to use rapid spin over rock slide/iron head

Iron head if you want reliable stab, rock slide if you want to sweep and break mons like Moltres and Zapdos

[sand belfry]

are hazards like the toxic spikes and stuff

[queen saddle]

Yeah, although tspike isn’t as common, rocks and spikes and even sticky webs are something you have to be concerned about

[sand belfry]

oooooh okay

so like all stuff that gets setup on the field?

[queen saddle]

I personally like rock slide drill because it sweeps more consistently and also against webs, rock slide is super effective against the webs setter due to it being a rock move and also calls out air balloon Gholdengo, which you earthquake it once it comes in

[queen saddle]

Yeah that’s right

[sand belfry]

okay i get it

[queen saddle]

Gholdengo’s set is fine but I feel like for stall you want to run psyshock, or for the giga threat Kingambit you want to run focus blast over power gem

[sand belfry]

i didnt know gholdengo could use focus blast i didnt see it

oops

[queen saddle]

(also side note consider air balloon Excadrill, life orb is perfectly fine but again, my preference)

[queen saddle]

fair enough

Zapdos should be defensive as to support against Wogerpon, which is always a giga threat into sand teams