SV OU Rates

[quartz lark]

Yep thats where my research got me

[queen saddle]

dragon move and water move

life orb wake is a very viable option outside of specs as to swap moves around

[quartz lark]

Life Orb Jirachi is the best thing I thought of to give Jirachi relevance in today's metagame

[queen saddle]

and a life orb wake can ruin this too

[queen saddle]

I ran it once because I hate Alo

as wish support

but it’s still kinda a struggle to use it?

the typing is relatively solid but imo it’s bad in this meta

Just look at Metagross

Iron Crown is sorta an exception bc of its signature move and coverage

along with psy noise

but even psychic fangs heavy slam couldnt save metagross

[quartz lark]

Jirachi's saving grace, pun intended, is that it makes iron Head, a stab move, a 60% chance to flinch

[queen saddle]

why not try scarf? A mixed scarf set

[quartz lark]

Because it loses the power it needs to threaten with Iron Head

[queen saddle]

Or even just fully physical and trick

[queen saddle]

Jirachi has hardly been about power

it’s just rng

with solid speed

And bulk but that bulk sucks in this current meta rn

with the typing

[quartz lark]

Regularly so, but I propose a different approach, having already experimented with the existing ones and some theoreticals I created.

[queen saddle]

whenever you build around a pokemon, you have to assess strengths and weaknesses

and the sets that are best for it

I feel like this Jirachi wants to be a support yet offensive too

but it can’t really

work like that

for example you completely blank into grounds, but 4 ground immunities can fix that
but while making your team weak to other things

Gholdengo as well, is a brutal mon for you

[quartz lark]

When I look at a lowered tiered pokemon like Jirachi, I look at how I can draw out its full potential and Life Orb Wish Tect Rachi is the best possible route for my boy.

[nocturne sable]

Yk. Regular support jirachi is also viable

[quartz lark]

Like the doom desire variant?

[jade cedar]

go talonflame!!

seriously tho feel like your team will suffer with pult without using tera

[nocturne sable]

Like Wish future sight u-turn iron head

Or protect or stealth rock

[quartz lark]

Going that route it will probably be the usual slow pivot dd set but with fsight over dd

But then I feel like It's too similar to Glowking

Even Crown gets fsight

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I want to give Jirachi autonomy in the land of paradox pokemon and terastilizations

[queen saddle]

we all want our mons to shine, whether it be something in ZU or something that once shined long ago.

Unfortunately, comp is not made for that, as annoying as is

Not every mon can be viable, even the best mons from generations ago

Gen 2 Snorlax, Gen 1 Tauros

gone

[jade cedar]

to be fair, jirachi can still REALLY annoying when it wants and at the good time with the good team to support it

[queen saddle]

it could

the question is though

is there better?

that’s why many mons are outclassed nowadays

there is better

X could work, but Y does the same thing but better

[jade cedar]

I mean I don't think there is a better para/flincher with recovery and pivoting

[queen saddle]

you could just use a galarian slowking to paralyze other mons

then use a mon that clicks iron head like Gambit

[jade cedar]

the difference is jirachi can do both jobs at the same time and slightly better since it can para ground and has generally better chances at para and flinching

[quartz lark]

SV OUians, what underappreciated, lower tier pokemon should I build next?

[patent pilot]

Hol up bruh, you never let me finish my contributions to the jirachi
https://pokepast.es/e9e3861000dfcdab
https://pokepast.es/b95d8aec0ca87ae9

Missing a ghost resist, so you could definitely go hamu > bolt/prima and find better speed control then cinderace

Pult prolly

[queen saddle]

the first team is kinda walled by Moltres

[patent pilot]

Yeah prima has kinda been screwing me over with how slow it is too

[queen saddle]

real

feels similar to when I use hatt the bulk feels so misleading

invincible vs me but but tanky at all when I use it

not a pokemon I understand very well outside of well

trick room and fucking exploding

[alpine furnace]

Its tanky but it doesn't have the big hp recovery move that mons like garganacl/corviknight do. Mostly use it to switch in and force a switch from the opponent or give yourself momentum.

[patent pilot]

Some pain split sets have been "discovered" to give it proper recovery though

I still think its best set is probably along the lines of custap healing wish

[alpine furnace]

I mean pain split is cool but I wouldnt really call it a big hp recovery move, considering the whole trading hp aspect. But that is cool to know

The main thing is, don't use Hatt like a pure wall, use it a bit more like primarina come in, take a hit and force the opponent to make a decision.

Use set up or its surprisingly decent dmg to threaten a swap

[topaz pivot]

ceruledge does live supereffective hits sometimes and if you activate weakness policy and weak armor you can kinda start sweeping for a bit

[alpine hornet]

ok so a few things here - i actually never mentioned ceruledge in the post you’re replying to, but more importantly

wpolicy is just not a great item on ledge bc if you’re living that hit you’d rather just be swords dancing and hitting back with a lorb boosted attack

[topaz pivot]

i guess its just not a great item in general unless the mon really has some bulk

[alpine hornet]

mainly on stored power guys/mixed attackers/mons who can’t otherwise set up effectively yeah

and bulk is appreciated too

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/0245af9de84a7429

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

feels somewhat Kyurem weak, managable but also hard sometimes

ddance t blast ground would kinda wreck you unless Rilla is alive

Dragapult also isn’t easy

your team doesnt look that terrain reliant

Bolt and Tran like it sure but this Crown is like just trying to be a wallbreaker compared to most grassy seed sweepers

therefore I think stall is somewhat of a hazard matchup with unaware clodsire

Yeah unaware Clod and Blissey isn’t an easy matchup if they use something like Gliscor which can protect stall and whatnot your Tran and possibly stall out all terrain turns

Wait nvm you have extender

wait ignore my stall statements your crown has psyshock

js gotta play crown right

it seems solid, just iffy matchups here and there
Rilla doesn’t need low kick bc ur running Tusk to check the Gambit, run wood hammer for big boy damage

[celest willow]

Anything i could do to improve kyurem or dpult mu

[quartz lark]

Make tran baloon since terrain will heal it when baloon breaks

[quartz lark]

I think Low Kick is fine and then they go something like Rocks on Tusk so they then go Wisp on Tran for the pult's dd

Rocks over cc obv

[quartz lark]

Zama being removed drastically lowers Doom Desire's value

coger would be a nice replacement

[queen saddle]

DD pult is not a real set I refuse to believe it is

[limber spear]

doesn’t spdef tran help with pult mu besides like cb

and isn’t a win con+ a ghost resist p good to have here

[round portal]

i wanted to build around oger+crown cuz i feel like crown forces a lot of bulky grounds that oger can farm https://pokepast.es/c1b871eff4de0c35

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/d4727ab27977dc81
Thoughts on this team?

[round portal]

iron moth is a pretty ho exculsive mon while the rest of the team feels like balance-stall

[quartz lark]

Dragon Darts bro

Dragon darts not dragon dance

[lucid onyx]

If I had to replace moth what could I add in place of it?

[round portal]

to make it a more balance-semi stall team?

i think u might want at least 1 mon with knock to abuse the fact that u got double hazards and a spin blocker

[limber spear]

prolly like remove the last 3 mons and make blissey tera dark +uturn > sucker with tera fairy on pult and add things like lu

or just things that work in blissey balances

oh also uh go 252 def/spdef on blissey its more efficient

[lucid onyx]

I had smth similar to tht but I needed priority

[lucid onyx]

Uh alr

[limber spear]

your bulk will be able to aid u with that

[lucid onyx]

I got if I predict well I can block spin with pult tbh

[lucid onyx]

I rly struggle against ceruledge though

[limber spear]

oh its famous for its raw power

can do dozo if u want

tera dark dozo with like rest 2a

or curse water fall if u can keep up with the woger mu

[lucid onyx]

Dozo for what though?

Or remove the last 3 mons

Mb forgot

[limber spear]

the last 3 arent rlly that good for blissey stuffs

i think like dozo pult bliss skarm is ok

u need a knocker+ ground for the last few slots

i rlly like base oger on these type of stuffs

[lucid onyx]

Hol up I'll brb in sm time I'm sry

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/ebedb439786a68fb

[limber spear]

ok so

[lucid onyx]

@limber spear wht abt now?

[limber spear]

now its a bit weirder i think

[lucid onyx]

Lol

[limber spear]

gimme a sec

let me try

[lucid onyx]

Alr

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/76fdd4615cd38bc7

is this fine

[lucid onyx]

I tried tht before, but wouldn't one special mon be a problem?

[limber spear]

u mean only having one special attacking mon?

[lucid onyx]

Yeah

[limber spear]

u make progress mainly by hazards

not by raw dmg (ok u can with pon and pult but hazards would do a lot most of the time)

that’s mostly how boots spam fat works

or u can go sball/flame >toss on blissey

or run 2a and give the rocks to lu

[lucid onyx]

Yea id rather do tht

[limber spear]

i think rest lu with rocks or just go the normal utility is fine

but be careful of t spikes and such

[nocturne sable]

Random booster speed moth on a balance team no good

[round portal]

wait what

i dont have a speed booster

wrong reply?

[limber spear]

~~ does that mean booster spa is good ~~🤔 🤔

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea wrong replay mb

[round portal]

hdb moth with toxic + morning sun 🗣️

[nocturne sable]

There’s is so many teams here that the channel gets clogged up

[limber spear]

gang this isn’t monotype

[nocturne sable]

Okay like I was saying booster energy speed on on random balance team is a nono

Tera psychic Blissey is also weird?? You’re better off running dark or steel Tera. And I would make Blissey stealth rocks over tusk so that tusk can be a legitimate powerhouse for your team

[lucid onyx]

Fair enough

[lucid onyx]

Tbh I didn't know I had tera psychic 😭

This is a team I made very long ago

[round portal]

ngl i feel like tusk on balance gets chipped really fast

in general

[nocturne sable]

I think you can replace iron moth with either 3 attacks roar zama or go the double ghost spin block route with nasty plot pecharunt

[limber spear]

back in like 2 years ago there was some weird rest tusk stall team with tera flying mola

[round portal]

wait rest tusk sounds shiest

with chesto or smth

[nocturne sable]

Now looking at your team yea This is a pretty standard balance from the looks of it

[limber spear]

😭 😭 forgot

defo no chesto tho

[round portal]

i feel like its a little weak to kyu but what isnt :P

[nocturne sable]

Though I really don’t like the woger set here I think you get more out of spikes utility woger

[limber spear]

doesn’t crown and torn do smth

[nocturne sable]

With iron crown and co you should be fine with kyurem

It’s very easy to limit the amount of times kyurem can come in

[round portal]

ahh limit the switch ins

[lucid onyx]

@limber spear can u resend the spread sheet of the team u made?

[limber spear]

^

[nocturne sable]

You also have an ice resist in iron crown soo

It won’t be that hard to switch into kyurem in the short term

[lucid onyx]

Ty

[queen saddle]

Oh right

[inner terrace]

maybe fine but it is weak to scor

no real way to break through those teams and stall usually has something for those teams like weez

maybe pon? but i think you'd use sd here

[inland ivy]

idea was to build around tera electric ival, which i think is currently an very under rated sweeper. decided to go against the normal mixed sets and instead went with calm mind. obviously evs are currently very shit, and yes that is life orb rilla, it works a lot better on this team than banded.
https://pokepast.es/984036459f5e95ea

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

on tbolt val run encore over sball

it's a really good set

run a stronger item on kyu as well

and that should be it

[patent pilot]

You still have band rillaboom and cinder to take advantage

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/1b234176e4afb6a9 is this good?

feels like I struggle with woger

[queen saddle]

thats because you do

outside of joking though, Rilla is helpful vs woger

but not the best check

it’s manageable for sure though

Rilla Tornt and tera water Glowking

Kyurem could be scary but eh

Glowking and Tornt helps

although does tornt work here?

not too sure on it

[quartz lark]

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch
• Pyro Ball
• Iron Head

SD Ace. Hm?

[limber spear]

oh ic would going weez>pult help (split ) an the payback on lu or would out go sd pon better

[inner terrace]

i think weez over pult is fine

[queen saddle]

unnecessary HP evs again, and what does iron head hit

it’s too frail to get an SD up so you have to force a switch and hope the opponent doesn’t stay in

even after an sd the kind and nice moltres walls you and can willo or roar

since ur libero

[worldly mirage]

New to this whole competitive thing so here is my team:

Maushold-Four @ Wide Lens
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Tidy Up
• Encore
• Bite

Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Rapid Spin
• Earthquake
• Close Combat

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Recover

Kingambit (M) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch
• Iron Head
• Swords Dance

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Volt Switch
• Hydro Pump
• Will-O-Wisp
• Pain Split

Dragapult (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Shadow Ball
• Flamethrower
• U-turn

I've won a few games with it and it is in gen9doublesou, I wasn't sure if this is the correct thread to check it but I'm hoping for some feedback!

[quartz lark]

Iron valiant. This is not meant to break Tres and I’d have to attack to cancel the fire type

[grizzled cave]

hey looking for feedback on my SV OU team, havent team built in a long time but had a fun idea of building around choice band weavile https://pokepast.es/36e9c0b334b95ec5

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hardy crown]

Maybe get wellspring ogerpon swords dance if you want it to deal some actual significant damage
Like ohko an enemy gliscor idk

[grizzled cave]

hmm ig, i feel like i jus chucked in wellspring :/

idk what role in the team it could fill

[tranquil jetty]

https://pokepast.es/acb38b7dbd865426

[paper chasm]

the tinkaton set of all time

[worldly mirage]

Could someone please look at my team comp?

This is for Doubles OU

[paper chasm]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

also these are all singles sets

[worldly mirage]

Oh mb

Thx

[wispy goblet]

https://pokepast.es/07782361d73f05af
havalugg HO. will be funny if it was actually good

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a0fec076153d9e63 is this good?

[queen saddle]

you could replace Gweezing and turn this into a hazard stack

[jade cedar]

40% of my teams are hs.....how can I make it better tho? I wanted to make team revolving around specs kyu as my breaker

[quartz lark]

SV OUians, what do I build next? I'm taking commissions.

[lucid onyx]

Build a balenced hazzard stack team (I'll steal it ty)

[quartz lark]

Ok around what pokemon

I'll build around literally anything and make it work

[prime tendon]

Do garchomp

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/9ada135d88f4bfef
https://pokepast.es/11716ca7f42b6b0d

Already made em take your pick

[prime tendon]

I like the iron treads version

[lucid onyx]

Hisuian samurott

[quartz lark]

✅

[quartz lark]

@lucid onyx
https://pokepast.es/d4697fb52e79209b

[lucid onyx]

Goddam ty

[jade cedar]

a team with hisui lillgant

[quartz lark]

✅

[quartz lark]

@jade cedar
https://pokepast.es/5be0f6c060bdb076

[jade cedar]

cool but what's latios for?

[quartz lark]

• Ground Immunity
• Pivoting
• Immediate Damage

Role compression

[quartz lark]

That gambit should be overlord

[jade cedar]

feels like your team lacks special mons, like a good physical wall and burn can almost destroy the whole team

[quartz lark]

Ok fix your team

[queen saddle]

Try one w SD Chomp

[quartz lark]

✅

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/d002124410bdf476 off meta screens with gliscor offensive team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

i dont think arcanine fits here very well

make gliscor facade eq

[queen saddle]

it is tho

[inner terrace]

i meant facade eq

not facade knock

mb

[queen saddle]

but why does uh chomp have dragon tail?

[inner terrace]

dtail chomp is fine

on sd

[queen saddle]

you’re getting walled by corvi either way

[queen saddle]

But why

You have limited screen turns why not try to sweep?

I’ve never seen that set

[inner terrace]

it's been used in tournament

you can beat id zama without roar and you beat roar if you got a scale shot first

[spice ember]

to stop mons that try and set up

[tacit bluff]

Yeah dragon tail is real

[spice ember]

eq?

[inner terrace]

yes

[queen saddle]

that feels more reliant on surprise factor if anything, it could block roar but how do you beat idef?

You have lowered def after scale

[inner terrace]

they get sent out?

[queen saddle]

and bp does big damage

[inner terrace]

you sd right

thats what the screens are for

[queen saddle]

You have to kinda guess

[queen saddle]

hm

[inner terrace]

you're never beating idef mons with screens unless you're attacking on the other side or send them away or encore them

[spice ember]

am thinking if garchomp baits an ice move i can go in and do ex speed

[queen saddle]

alr

[inner terrace]

or are ceruledge

[queen saddle]

Feels really awkward but I see the vision there

Maybe I’m just not pro enough to feel it

[inner terrace]

thing with arcanine is on screens you either want setup or utility

arcanine provides neither unless u put some sash rocks on it or smth

[queen saddle]

Arcanine is meant to be a breaker, but it’s relatively slow with no way to boost that speed
and it locks itself in a move instead of spending the turn clicking a setup move that screens give you

[inner terrace]

serp im not a huge fan of either ngl but could be okay i guess

[queen saddle]

Arcanine is a good breaker

but like he said

setup sweeper for screens

[spice ember]

you right i shoud try and have an awnser for more weaknesses.

[queen saddle]

well maybe you can use dtail

If it were me, I’d use fire fang

or even stone edge

[spice ember]

i was thinking garchomp or sum

[queen saddle]

But after what Quacc said I can see dtail def being good

I dont like the gren either ngl to you

Gren has good speed but it doesnt do enough damage even w lorb

[inner terrace]

run ghold over arcanine, run booster cm val with encore, and run screens serp honestly

val over deoxys

[queen saddle]

like I think for some damage calcs it has to run hydro pump

over surf

bc its too weak to break some stuff

I forgot the main calc but I remember there is one

[spice ember]

battle bond though could be suprising ive tried it and i wiped got two or more kills

[queen saddle]

lowkey could sd Samu work if you really wanted that kind of dark water typing on screens?

[spice ember]

thats the idea

[queen saddle]

Swords dance black glasses sucker punch

[inner terrace]

im deadass you could run sd gren here

[queen saddle]

IT GETS THAT?

LMAO

[inner terrace]

yes

[spice ember]

yeah il do that i like him more anyway

[inner terrace]

sd upper hand liquidation/waterfall gunk shot

[spice ember]

swords dance? hmmm

[queen saddle]

I think Rott would usually be better in most cases tho ight

[inner terrace]

tera ghost

[queen saddle]

Bc you have priority in sucker punch black glasses boosted

[inner terrace]

i mean most cases yes but having the speed tier is nice

[queen saddle]

along with that hazard setting

Makes other setup sweepers sweep easier too

[inner terrace]

you also beat gambit clicking sucker by upper handing it

[queen saddle]

and aqua cutter is a bitch

[queen saddle]

Not aqua cutter

razor shell

myb

[inner terrace]

dnite does beat it but you have ghold and val and scor can chip the tera blast sets with screens

[queen saddle]

I mean that’s nice and all but Samu could easily tank with screens too

Resisting dual stabs

[spice ember]

greeninja is hella fast so

[inner terrace]

samu is also very slow here

[queen saddle]

fair point

sucker is there tho

But yeah I see sd gren somehow working

[inner terrace]

yeah sucker i guess but also your fast offensive mon is just val

[queen saddle]

Watch this guy reach rank 1 w SD Gren

🙏

[inner terrace]

sd gren has been used

it was on some ctc team and my friends used it

[queen saddle]

Hardly ever seen it but maybe thats js my inexperience

[inner terrace]

it's not bad

[spice ember]

so i make gren fisical cool

[queen saddle]

Wow

Thats insane

to me genuinely

I thought I knew quite a bit for OU but I never even knew that shit was real

acc crazy

[spice ember]

alright so whats the teaam gholdengo gliscor serperior chomp greninja swords dance and who else?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9d336c12459c4a85 this feels like the most simple team I've made (no surprise HO is the way to go to beginners)

[quartz lark]

@queen saddle
https://pokepast.es/f19bb80a9cc7ff8f

Comissions closed.

[quartz lark]

Should be timid rai and runt

[spice ember]

and serperior with screens

[inland ivy]

https://pokepast.es/f0ce833eae79c0d4
unpolished, but did some testing and does great into anything that isnt like 6 sweeper HO. i think what its missing is some form of prio, maybe dragonite instead of zapdos, but yeah feel free to steal or give ideas

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/67d6ae76609b8733
Sand Chomp Offense, namely BO

[queen saddle]

why do you slap on HP evs on like

everything

[queen saddle]

feels a little wrong having a hazard stack where your hazard blocker is blown away by Tusk

[spice ember]

is it a tank build or sum

[queen saddle]

also you lack water resists outside of Grasspon

You kinda get rolled over by a well supported Woger

it’s not bad, but the defensive core is ehhhh

not great

and the hazard abusers aren’t too awesome either

Idk what I’d change but all I can say is this team feels iffy

[queen saddle]

also no

Boots chomp is lowkey not a real set

Scale shot and EQ hits so many things and you took EQ away from it

why?

[quartz lark]

This is speed optimization. If that's not your style tailor the team to your playstyle.

It is not merely "slapping on HP evs"

[queen saddle]

speed optimization?

it’s just making your mon slower for no reason

[quartz lark]

It is making the mon outspeed what is necessary when the team is not threatened by the opposing mon

[queen saddle]

btw I’m unsure on tera for Scizor chat, if a rater can help me out
It feels relatively solid, not using Drill bc it feels iffy to me on this team, and I wanted Scizor as an additional Kyurem check and an ice/fairy resist, with SD chomp being fucking goated, along with specs Val being able to wallbreak. I decides to run a regen core of Hydrapple and Tornt for good pivoting, along with Apple checking Woger and Tornt being a ground immunity and with good speed and whatnot
Was sitrus Scizor, but boots helps a lot when it’s my main hazard removal

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/2a92f642f77ba173

[spice ember]

i changed it up a bit but i feel like i am missing something

[queen saddle]

seems normal

I love it because SD Chomp

I mean can you beat stall?

Blaziken is your best bet vs stall

Dozo problem tho

[spice ember]

yeah idk i could give it thunder punch

[queen saddle]

Dozo Clod core kinda rough for you bud

Nah, tpunch does less than CC

I’d lowk just chip down dozo till rest and maybe try to win w chomp or blaziken

Ghold is tuff tho vs mainly any stall without unaware Clod

Gliscor is managable

Unaware Clod and Dozo tho watch out

[spice ember]

i guess il just brute force it since i have aurora veil i should be able to last a bit

[queen saddle]

made an adjustment, sp def Tres > Tornt

love my signature Tres 🙏

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/b41e5d6656b0d4c7

anti wogerpon squad

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat jackal]

havent got much battles but i might see some trouble with sun teams

or i just play really bad against sun lol

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a3e29fd0d850704a feels like a flop

[bright plinth]

guys can someone help me with this team what should i do to fix it https://pokepast.es/575c3fdd38d2a7cd

[quartz lark]

Jirachi Balance
https://pokepast.es/dd566430fce5460c

[queen saddle]

what’s the goal of this team?

I feel like it could lean into a bulky balance hazard stack

AV Samu fits better imo

Offensive NP ghold is better too

I’d replace Thundy with either another knocker or use a spinner

Boots Za could be good and turning this into boots spam

[queen saddle]

looks like a pretty mediocre ho, no offense

js too many mons that want setup and have no instant pressure

Like pult here could be specs

and Tusk could be smth else since you’re running purely ho

[queen saddle]

pointless hp evs on the Valiant that could be used for much more important speed

Jirachi set we’ve already talked abt

all you did was revamp the team to

this

and it’s not great still

[paper heart]

https://pokepast.es/7564512749eb430d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jade cedar]

to be honest I do get told that having choiced mons on HO is generally bad

[nocturne sable]

Some of these items don’t even make sense?? Shuca berry on a flying type like Zapdos for what? Just to get one roost off?

Some of these sets are kinda wack you might need to adjust them a little

[paper heart]

its so i can stay in and tera electric against tusk 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[jade cedar]

why would you tera on tusk....the only problem is ice spinner which you have to steel types for...

[paper heart]

to cheese

yeah i think im just gonna make it timid 💀

[jade cedar]

ye no comment on that

[paper heart]

what should i put on ghold tho

[jade cedar]

air ballon

[paper heart]

[nocturne sable]

That is a very useless strat

And a suboptimal Zapdos set

I recommend using samples for now to have a better understanding of HO

[quartz lark]

Respectfully my bro, Istg stfu and think before you rate.

As for the reasons of the selections, I’ve already gave explanations previously, tested the team, then made adjustments.

No hate. Just truth.

[little pilot]

https://pokepast.es/3ba2c8138e8b7b42
Rain team

[patent pilot]

Hes right. Why are you being so aggresive?

[quartz lark]

Because we’ve discussed this.

I posted the team with changes based on what was discussed and testing.

[patent pilot]

You never specified what you were evd to outspeed

[quartz lark]

I did. What I said was to outspeed what was necessary, which means the closest speed tier of the mon

[patent pilot]

If ur gonna post the same team people have the right to make the same criticisms, even if altered by whatever changes you've made

[quartz lark]

Like for iron val it’s the oger pons

[quartz lark]

Yes but I don’t like when the team is denounced without tangible advice

[quartz lark]

If you like rain look at vert’s rain offense in ost round 3 for reference. I forget whether it was round a, b, c, or d

Looked serviceable

Though I believe it was a MU fish though

It was something like manaphy, physical basculegion, peli, treads, forgot the last 2

[grizzled cave]

hey I posted about this team like 2 days ago but it didnt get much attention and would still like some help! Its built around band weavile

https://pokepast.es/36e9c0b334b95ec5

[nocturne sable]

This balanced seemed fairly standard. Just added a few twist to it.

-made this max hazards with jirachi+scor as rocks setter. Defog talon is kinda wtv since you have like 3 ground immunes and the other half of your team resists stealth rock so you’re not going to be worrying about hazards that much.

Made talonflame max speed since you already have physdef rotom-wash. It’s nice to outspeed darkrai,woger, weavile etc.

Your gambit mu isn’t bad imo so I just made gambit Tera fire regular bulky sd to help better vs moltres.

Idk what the hell that iron valiant set was so I just changed it to regular specs.

You’re a little iron moth weak but hopefully Tera water Gliscor can come in clutch.

https://pokepast.es/54be73563f9be451

[nocturne sable]

I would probably make zama boots 4 attacks here and maybe make samurott AV.

Thundy-t is an odd choice as a knocker but I have seen that before. Outside of that seems like a regular Hstack structure

[nocturne sable]

Probably need to adjust the sets of most mons here because those sets are meant for balance teams not HO.

Start by making tusk booster energy. Attack or speed can work depending on what you need.

Pult I would probably drop for a different dragon here. You can never go wrong with dnite here. Standard ekiller can work

Ival I would change the set to mixed destiny bond. Reliable in trading with mons here.

Gambit can lowkey be Tera fairy blast here.

Woger you can probably change to Trailblaze to snowball but it’s fine.

Can even make glimm red card too if you want.

[nocturne sable]

This is a pretty standard balance team….

Also there is a whole Zapdos there to punish great tusk and U-turn woger.

[queen saddle]

then why do you send this dude

If you dont want a rating then dont send it

🙏

again, if you tested it and think it’s good and you’ve already had it rated

then no point

[quartz lark]

[queen saddle]

ah, then that’s my fault there

[jade cedar]

your changes makes the whole team heavily physical which is not good, ival need to at least fully a special attacker

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/577655776f343436
rmt

[quartz lark]

The val was for anti-stall shit. Figured specs blast/shock was good for either corv set.

Since it’s setting up itself

[nocturne sable]

Dnite tusk woger gambit is a pretty standard core to overwhelm physdef cores you should be fine

[jade cedar]

still feel like burn can ruin the team a lot

[nocturne sable]

If you’re that scared of burn then run lum berry gambit or sum.

Most defensive will o wisp users should fold to woger. Ig you can also try fire punch scale shot dnite but meh

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think AV torn is it g. You kinda just lose to raging bolt.

Maybe run AV tusk with CB ace for power. Could run cresselia over torn here

[rapid barn]

gotcha

should I go spdef cress?

rn the wake is +spatk under sun as my breaker

[nocturne sable]

Hmm I think wake should be changed to wise glasses speed booster to give you more freedom in your move choices

[rapid barn]

ngl

av wake?

[nocturne sable]

Hmmm for what though. Can’t think of an offensive Mon that wake can’t kill

Think wise glasses should just be fine

[rapid barn]

cuz I was thinking with it being +spatk basically nothing outside of av mola could switch in

and the scarf tusk, cinderace, and gambit provides good enough speed control

and I could always flip turn out

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/d88410b26b159ab7 tyranitar hazard hyper offense idk am tryna do sum with tyranitar since he's cool, but I don't really know

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[little pilot]

Band ttar and no drill is kinda crazy imo

[red sun]

i made what ive found success with as a Sun/Rain Hybrid Team for S/V OU.
(https://pokepast.es/164e77b5e699f2c2)

Torkoal and pelipper's roles are self explanitory, Weather setters.

Zard Wake and Bolt are the primary damage dealers, able to all function in both Weathers.

Scozor is what i'm primarily not sure about. He's won me some games, but also been useless in some. Tera Water with Tera blast has come in handy when its in the rain, while defensively helps it out if it gets caught in the sun

[spice ember]

i already changed that

i love the drill i just forgot for a moment

https://pokepast.es/3b10a4f3b59bbb9f

[noble hare]

I think woger is ff on tewm preview ngl especially if its sd..

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/e8b4686ac0586374

specs gren

not sure abt ice hammer tinkaton

[wide valve]

https://pokepast.es/fdb5e110038d6b82
team is centered around specs raging bolt, I'm thinking about putting tera blast on it but idk. the original idea was to have specs bolt + bulky sd gliscor which i noticed had amazing synergy with it but i struggled to make a team with all the utility i wanted so it ended up being a basic rock setter gliscor set, but if there is anyway i could keep sd gliscor i would love an idea

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[heady carbon]

I would replace ice hammer with knock off here, you don't have a single Mon with knock off so tinkaton knock off would really help a ton

[quartz lark]

Have you tried semi rain yet?

[queen saddle]

you have enough answers for Lando and Gliscor

Knock would be strong

honestly your team looks fine

no bulky water resist tho

can struggle into woger

wake too

[quartz lark]

Commissions are back open. What would y’all like to see? Any pokemon will be built around.

[scarlet nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/39898cd194037b50 any thoughts on this team?

[grizzled cave]

hey posted about this team a while ago but not much help. Started playing with it more and got to 1300 and made some small adjustments to ogre-W but I struggle with teams that have iron moth and walking wake. Atleast the ones ive found so far. https://pokepast.es/af671213d9bcb564

[nocturne sable]

You have glowking which counters both wake and moth

[jade cedar]

I mean to be fair wake is mostly on sun team which it's specs set can break through glowking if it doesn't tera, even after that it's not completely safe

[grizzled cave]

yeah walking wake has blown through my team several times

and sometimes moth gets enough fiery stacks

i gave my glowkin psyshock to see if it helps with moth tho instead of future sight

[jade cedar]

not really recommended since other then THAT mu it won't benefit you much otherwise espcailly in the long-term

[grizzled cave]

mhmm

i see, future sight does slaughter moth

and worst case it forces it to switch and lose its fiery dance stacks, but its a temporary solution

[grizzled cave]

something im wondering tho is if i should swap my u-turn for spikes on my ogre-W

i feel like my team, especially weavile, could use the extra chip from spikes. but also a u-turn from ogre could hurt more overall

[wide valve]

why we just ignoring my post 😭😭😭😭

i mean the team did get me to low 1700’s but cmon there’s gotta be SOMETHING a can improve

and that was when sun was hella popular

[quartz lark]

Not to sound blunt, which I usually do, but elo doesn’t mean shit here

[wide valve]

just tell me how to make the team better gang 💔

[quartz lark]

SD scor for this assortment would require corv to be skarm or replacing hatt with tusk icl

[spice ember]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

tyranitar excadrill team with hazard

[quartz lark]

I can’t see this send as a paste

[nocturne sable]

That’s why you Tera water when your face walking wake @grizzled cave ^

[grizzled cave]

ig, i do have tera water on glowking. ill try it more, ig just hit tera water w/ chilly reception then switch to something else? like gholdengo?

to also deny the weather

[nocturne sable]

Btw you have to fix that tusk set close combat knock off is super wack. Headlong rush+ice spinner is a better combo

[nocturne sable]

Yea usually you position glowking in front of the sun setter. Or if wake comes in boots gking can survive a sun boosted hydro steam into a tera water glowking.

[grizzled cave]

mhmmm, ok ill try

[grizzled cave]

ah gotcha, so when they lead with their sunsetter try and use glowking

ig ill have to be careful of encore with nine tails and not get trapped into future sight

[empty silo]

https://pokepast.es/0a1625d0e4e01bcb

read the notes

seriously, can you beat people while deviating from the meta?

Because the meta seems to be always the same

[quartz lark]

Before you get bored of the most effective tactics available, build a foundation to know when and how to deviate

[empty silo]

all right

first of all, can any of those guys be kept?

I'll start making a new team, but I'd like to know what elements from this one are worth keeping

first of all, how can a team include a Venusaur while still being viable?

he's basically my mascot

[quartz lark]

What do you want to create?

Sun?

[empty silo]

maybe

I heard Venusaur is often used for that

can a sun team support more diverse typings?

it seems to be mostly Fire and Grass types that benefit from it

[quartz lark]

Abilities

[empty silo]

so yeah, a SV OU sun team, I guess

[empty silo]

for example, I think Venusaur has Clorophyll

which boosts speed in sun?

but for example, are there Water-types with sun related abilities?

[quartz lark]

Protosynthesis

[empty silo]

I'll check that out

Now, I'm setting up a Ninetales with Drought

Ninetales has good defensive base stats, but not much offense

Protosynthesis havers are all Paradox Pokémon

so this might be useful for water coverage

[empty silo]

https://pokepast.es/f2fc38a00bb2a0c1

maybe Walking Wake shouldn't have a choice scarf

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/d2ab698ce4bdb357

use this

[empty silo]

Is it an improved version? Thank you, I think it might be good

Why Encore on Ninetales though?

[quartz lark]

Generally good to lock rockers since tails can’t remove

[empty silo]

Making them repeat the stealth rock?

Makes sense

[red sun]

Semi rain? What's that?

I've used straight up rain teams before. Something like pelipper, swift swim basculegion/barraskewda, raging bolt, and a few others

[empty silo]

I assume it’s a team that benefits from rain but doesn’t depend on it

[red sun]

Hmm. Ig I've done something of the like, but I didn't find much success with it

[lavish shale]

Gapdos

[quartz lark]

✅

[queen saddle]

why is ninetails not max speed here?

And what does that Gambit and Tusk spread even do?

[queen saddle]

it’s also just good utility

turn that setup sweeper into a nuisance

which is why ninetails should be max speed

[quartz lark]

@lavish shale
https://pokepast.es/8050010a8249ea8e

Commissions closed.

[quartz lark]

I think its pretty obvious its a creep, for the identificiation of such creeps do your hw

[queen saddle]

No… Ninetails is base 100 right?

Ninetails is at that good 100 base speed tier

remember how many mons love 100+ base speed?

It should always be max speed

[quartz lark]

yeah tails aint doing shit to those base 100s

[queen saddle]

Yes

it is

It has willowisp and encore

[empty silo]

This Kingambit can set up a sweep for sure

[queen saddle]

You should understand why

most spreads

[empty silo]

I’m testing the team

[queen saddle]

run either max speed or max bulk

or both technically

Like Ninetails

[empty silo]

Is this Ninetales max speed?

[queen saddle]

Because running less speed just for useless bulk is dumb

[queen saddle]

no

But it should be

Use the standard sets

Kingambit should be max hp imo but max speed works

I dont know why this guy loves “speedcreeping” when it’s usually just useless

[empty silo]

I’m not an expert on this

[queen saddle]

maybe on some mons

Idk about the tusk spread tho he hasnt answered that question

I’d just run max speed max hp or atk tusk

I’m really not too sure on that Tusk spread whatsoever

but the gambit and ninetails should be standard

wait hold the phone why are we using

wise glasses

wake

[quartz lark]

theres just manaphy

[quartz lark]

just use the sample bro

what i sent

[queen saddle]

bro just use standard sets

💔

[empty silo]

I’m using it

[quartz lark]

good

[queen saddle]

Wait why does the sample actually use those evs

Now Im confused

I js pulled it up

namely gambit

I’mma js do my own research rq

[empty silo]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2539845253-h6mbnaukubjeaftkwu1s7ucny5fxq6vpw

Here’s a replay of a match

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/399b74e6d7e004e3

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This team has a lot of weird sets and anti synergies

Hisuian zoroark isn't a very good pokemon let alone a calm mind set, it's nearly always boots with smth like nasty plot and again, even then I'd advise against it, it's very frail and isn't really fast nor strong enough to compensate

Magic room zapdos is very random, idk why you'd turn off your held items in exchange for smth like thunder wave

Scarf glimmora is just a bad set, it's not even great as a scarfer as it gets outrun by other scarfers, corrosion literally does nothing here asw, and while it can run power herb meteor beam as an offensive set, scarf definitely isn't it as it just lacks the stabs and power you need from your scarfer

Booster energy tusk is also odd for a stealth rocks and rapid spin set. Those would usually run boots

There's also just no synergy here, the team has a weird mix of hyper offensive pieces and balance pieces without anything tying the team together

[opaque atlas]

https://pokepast.es/4533410ef3d40228

Rate?

[tacit bluff]

I fw this

I think you can afford lefties heatran over air balloon

Since you have two ground immunities

But either is fine

It just gives heatran extra longevity for smth like a kyurem matchup

Who seems pretty scary here

But yeah I do think this is pretty solid

I'd be careful of your speed control tho the fastest mon here is zapdos who isn't very fast, you do have some priority moves but otherwise you're probably moving second

[nocturne sable]

This team probably needs speed booster tusk because it it not fast outside of your priority users

[quartz lark]

Commissions are back open. What would y’all like to see? Any pokemon will be built around.

[queen saddle]

they do have two strong priority users, I think they’re fine there

but yeah specs Kyurem could just maul this team even subtect

no especially subtect

Specs is manageable through pivoting but subtect kyurem hits your entire team

(when are we banning Kyurem again?)

[tacit bluff]

Never

[tacit bluff]

Ehhhh I mean

It's not bad and there's zapdos but I don't love only prio speed control

Like for instance both of those speed control options don't do well into Zamazenta iron press

Who can tank them reasonably well

[blissful basin]

https://pokepast.es/71545ece46249532

how is it?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

run a faster tusk

and it's fine

maybe helmet tusk or something

[lavish juniper]

I upgraded the team

[queen saddle]

hey man..

it seems you’re

new to the game

[lavish juniper]

Yeah

[queen saddle]

This isn’t a very viable team, I’d recommend running a sample

Learn the meta first, see what’s good and what isn’t

Most of these pokemon are viable but the sets are completely wrong, and also just they dont have all too good synergy

Slowbro is just gimmicky

It’s viable ironically, but you need tons of luck, and a different team imo

[lavish juniper]

Uhh ik yeah but i really like glowbro and hoopa so this is kinda the best team i could use with them

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/c6ed48e0350498e1

[flat jackal]

yeah i do notice i really struggle withwake

i have two will o wisp so i still managed to avoid some dangerous woger encounters

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/d443e7a75e1f54c6

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spice ember]

sun team but with webs but idk webs will probably go

[knotty sundial]

sun team without walking wake 🥀

[spice ember]

am tryna be unique you know and he was going to be the replacement for araquanid

[final relic]

yea idk

sun kinda

needs walking wake

[near wing]

https://pokepast.es/7e6ae8acb09a3464

[rare ridge]

https://pokepast.es/c1e004f68383c882 - feels like I struggle with rain teams

[elfin quail]

https://pokepast.es/414c64855e4a03e4

[elfin quail]

add an ogerpon W instead of iron val then

if ur match up is that bad

[lavish juniper]

ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA

[wispy goblet]

are rain teams a real thing in svou?

[wispy goblet]

is this low ladder?

[flat jackal]

replaced gambit with cm booster val

made it tera electric to deal with bolt

should be enough to fight wake, bolt and slither wing

[nocturne sable]

If you’re running Sun with webs then you run leavanny as your webs setter over araquanid

[spice ember]

thanks

[lucid onyx]

https://pokepast.es/f8c6688df501297a

Hello chat, went for a balenced team with specs ironval cuz it's too good smh. Lemme know how to this is

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

looks okay

[lucid onyx]

Is there any way to make it better?

[silk adder]

https://pokepast.es/996b21b576111049

i havent played ou in forever but i thought the idea of kyurem + corv pressure would be funny but then realized i dont wanna play stall so actually pressure doesnt matter too much

[inner terrace]

maybe change glisc for tusk or lando

but thats it

[silk adder]

possible changes are making kyurem a dd icicle spear set otherwise not too sure

[lucid onyx]

Alr ty

[quartz lark]

Bulky offense is 5 offensive pieces with 1 defensive piece.

[silk adder]

heard

[quartz lark]

With the team being generally bulky overall

[nocturne sable]

This is not necessarily true. There is no limit to the amount of “defensive pieces” or “offensive pieces” you need to have for it to be a bulky offense. And what you described there is not even necessarily bulky offense

[nocturne sable]

If you wanted to maximize pressure pp stalling then you’ll probably want to run subtect kyurem. But this is generally a common type of structure for kyurem teams though

[quartz lark]

By dp’s I mean your run of the mill walls and op’s are your run of the mill breakers/whatever is offensively oriented

[silk adder]

alright, thanks

ill run the subtect set and see where to go from there

[quartz lark]

For physical Tera ghost dd sub tect is is good

I’ve seen mixed physical without tect

With ep is dd sub

[nocturne sable]

You will also want to switch around a couple of sets here. Maybe make corv spdef to handle stuff like kyurem while making hatt physdef pain split.

[silk adder]

alright

[spice ember]

yo would you know a good build for primarina

[knotty sundial]

I mean you can also have things that lie somewhere in between, pivots and utility mons and things of that nature

[quartz lark]

I was thinking of a mon being a two-way/hybrid

Every mon is placed in between the defensive and offensive coordinates but there are certain exceptions where a mon is mostly placed in 1 or the other coordinate based on their role in their respective meta game

[frail sun]

https://pokepast.es/c2362ac6fad57f0c

[quartz lark]

Change Gweezing's tera to Grass

[frail sun]

Forgot to change Gweezing Tera

[woeful bone]

https://pokepast.es/cf9b50452b7fa80c

hows this

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

rocks > wisp here

[woeful bone]

i've been trying to build around rillaboom for a balanced thingy

[final relic]

sd rilla

usually is better

i wouldn’t run this dnite set

flyingblast probably does more here

[woeful bone]

on dnite?

[final relic]

ye

[queen saddle]

AV Gk feels pretty good vs you

well, for you it’s not fun to fight

ice beam to hit Gliscor, flamethrower for Gambit, nd even your pult kinda struggles to break it without getting chipped

and Gweezing gets smoked 1v1

while av gk is comfortably tanking Kyurem

[lavish shale]

Anyone got a sand team?

[knotty sundial]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-scl-and-olt.3712513/ there's one here

[lavish shale]

Oh yeah i did saw this one, i was just looking for other versions of it

[quartz lark]

Landorus Balance
https://pokepast.es/ed004693f2a45d77

[final relic]

no kyu switchin

[mental ermine]

https://pokepast.es/f266254dc9d2c4b0 yet another webs team with a crapmon but at least its better than chandelure lol

what would you change?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

A couple things

Firstly that glimmora set is fried

Power herb with stealth rocks and mortal spin is troll

[mental ermine]

whys that

[tacit bluff]

Because power herb glimmora is already left wanting for 5 moveslots and you use two of em on moves that don't rly advance it's gameplan of yk

Blasting through the enemy with +1 and 135 spa

[mental ermine]

oh ok

[tacit bluff]

Like if this was lead glimmora sure

[mental ermine]

yeah

[tacit bluff]

I do get why you'd run mortal spin cause you have no hazard control which gets me to my other point

HO teams kinda go 2 ways with hazards

Ignoring them or biting the bullet and using bulk up rapid spin booster energy great tusk

[mental ermine]

yeah thats what quaqrash reccomended me on my chandelure team

the tusk set

my main concern when adding glim was that i didnt have a supereffective move for zapdos and i wanted another fairy resist because other than ghold the team seemed pretty weak to fairy

the mortal spin was kinda the cherry on top then

[mental ermine]

which way were you thinking?

[tacit bluff]

Honestly just drop gapdos for tusk

And then go like

Sludge wave dgleam earth power glimmora

[mental ermine]

with pherb beam?

[tacit bluff]

Yep

[mental ermine]

k

[tacit bluff]

Tera fairy

[mental ermine]

ok

[tacit bluff]

To boost gleam to actually threatening levels

[mental ermine]

ok cool

[tacit bluff]

And then idk about specs valiant lowk

Ho tends to avoid choice locked mons

[mental ermine]

oh really

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

[mental ermine]

first ive heard of that gtk

[tacit bluff]

Because then they're easier to wall and HO doesn't like being forced to switch

[mental ermine]

yeah that makes sense

[tacit bluff]

It's not unheard of

[mental ermine]

right

[tacit bluff]

It's usually scarfers in the lategame tho

Like scarf enamorus

[mental ermine]

yeah

so should i run lo instead or booster

[tacit bluff]

It could just be booster speed cm

[mental ermine]

alr

[tacit bluff]

I'd consider psyshock Gholdengo

[mental ermine]

what for?

[tacit bluff]

Alleviates the blissey matchup into stall

Just be careful since those usually run tera dark

[mental ermine]

oh ok

right

anything else youd change?

[tacit bluff]

Nah looks fine otherwise

[mental ermine]

Alr cool tysm

[tacit bluff]

I've always been an Araquanid>Ribombee on webs but that's personal preference

[mental ermine]

Yea

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/b9055cda47a35c94 just made a team for fun, but could also catch people lacking idk

[golden reef]

I was stuck 1000s rn using this team I made until 1300s any tips for this team https://pokepast.es/1c2eadad839e0916

[quartz lark]

Landorus Balance
https://pokepast.es/e75904df1a98103b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wide girder]

https://pokepast.es/c31b13b3570d4a9f
Hello, I'm trying to make an OverUsed meta team to climb into the top 500, but I don't know if the team is viable. Do you have any advice, and if so, what is it? 😅

[viral ruin]

it sounds insane but ive had success with encore horn leech cudgel sd ogerC

hit encore on gambit sucker and sd up in front of it

altho i guess you can just hit lowkick if you still have sturdy ready

[queen saddle]

horn leech isn’t a bad move

If anything I prefer it over most grass moves lol

Power whip inaccuracy makes me hate it and wood hammer is relatively self explanatory

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/f0d9038d2917cac5
First "serious" SVOU team I made in a while

[paper heart]

https://pokepast.es/090663ec54ac1dc6 tried to remake that one banded meow spl team

[inland fractal]

https://pokepast.es/21a8d60157d7d551 edits?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[turbid kelp]

5 hdb users...

[inland fractal]

tech

[inner terrace]

dont think theres any inherent flaws here

[mental ermine]

Isn't boots spam a thing

[inner terrace]

actually dnite can prolly be really annoying to beat

boots spam is arguably meta

it's more meta than not meta actually

[inland fractal]

i was thinkin folu play on

sini

[turbid kelp]

Yeah but I feel like ival would rather run life orb or booster speed

[inner terrace]

make sinis tera fairy i think

[inland fractal]

alr

[turbid kelp]

Also missing 4 evs

[inland fractal]

oh yh

mv

mb

[mental ermine]

True but boots isn't unheard of

I've seen my fair share

[round portal]

life orb ival?

[spice ember]

https://pokepast.es/89007e3424693ed4 tbh made a team with pokemon I like, but I'll like some help on figuring out how to make the team the most optimal it can be

[quartz lark]

Clefable Sand
https://pokepast.es/6f6aec2c27e9e040

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Would rather have the combo of hydrapple & Zapdos here>>>torn & scizor

Maybe cornerpon here over woger as well since cornerpon synergies with sand better

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/2ebdba1ff65b8a5a

Offensive Lando t offense

[nocturne sable]

Your Top 4 Pokemon here is fine here in terms of viable but I don’t know what the hell metagross & gardevoir are doing here.

Here you probably make chomp standard tank chop set with double hazards(stealth rocks and spikes) dragon tail and eq.

Probably make Ttar max speed if you’re running offensive Ttar to outspeed opposing gambits .

Last two slots here are interesting. You probably go for a complete hazard blocker like gholdengo to compliment your Hstack. But then you also have to consider your Tspikes MU.

I’m thinking maybe go offensive pecharunt & iron defense corv and convert this team to bootspam.

[spice ember]

as i said just picked some mons i liked but am just wondering what switching il have to do and what do i do with volcanion?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/886510502f793520 like I said maybe something like this

Spdef corv allows you to deal with stuff like kyurem easier especially with Tera ice

[spice ember]

Also, I am wondering what items/moves I use on Tyranitar, cause i don't want to band him but I kinda need him to be able to use diferent moves

[nocturne sable]

Look at the paste I sent above^

[spice ember]

ah alright thanks dude

do i keep choice band? on meowscarada

[nocturne sable]

Hmm. Maybe you can try defog>bulk up on corv so maybe that’ll allow you to run choice meow

[spice ember]

alright thanks

[smoky badger]

https://pokepast.es/cf5b7cb8004511d1

cooked up a cool dragalge team

done really well in testing

[south tusk]

https://pokepast.es/16180b509dea1082

This is my first ever time building a team, and I was looking for advice

Some specific questions I had in mind:

-Should I keep screens on glimmora or smth else

-Should i switch great tusk to offensive ev spread

-Should I keep tailwind on corv

-Ogerpon feels like it's missing smth, it always feels like it does nothing

Any help with these questions or any other feedback would be greatly appreciated!

[proper warren]

no boots? no hazard clear?

[smoky badger]

idk much about team building but cress should run a defense ev spread thats the first thing id do

[south tusk]

don't i already have two spinners, is that not enough

[smoky badger]

and one cant touch balloon ghol at all

[proper warren]

glimmora doesn't count, and sorry, didn't see you running rapid spin on tusk

[smoky badger]

put power gem on glim over light screen u need to be able to hit corv + balloon ghol

[south tusk]

gholdengo usually isn't a hazards mon though no?

[proper warren]

dawg you talking like glimmora won't get ohkod

2hko'd cuz sash

[smoky badger]

for the switch in

thought that was obvious

[proper warren]

true. still, i would abandon glimmora, and if i wanted toxic spikes, then i would run greninja

or just toxpex

[south tusk]

yeah i've been told that glimmora doesn't fit in the team

do you think i should go with another toxic spike setter that fits better or look for something else?

[limber spear]

u need ghost resist

also drop tail for like u-turn i think

on corv

krai prolly fits ok here

[smoky badger]

the team losses to ghol, darkrai, Ceruledge

pech too lowkey

so rai is a good recommendation

[south tusk]

so im assuming i'll need a dark type then for these

[limber spear]

u also need a fire resist i think (prolly not kyurem check but idk how well cress does in that field)

and then stall mu
and such

[south tusk]

wouldn't koraidon be a bad match up into most of these? it doesn't resist any of them

[smoky badger]

darkrai

koraidon isnt allowed in OU

[south tusk]

o

i saw krai and thought it was koraidon

mb

[south tusk]

hisuian samurott covers both fire and ghost, do you think he fits in here instead of glim?

[limber spear]

can work i think

i was thinking of glowking> cres sd pon and then turn on corv + krai>glim smh

[south tusk]

gang i have no clue what any of those abbreviations mean

[limber spear]

both av and scarf is ok here

[limber spear]

slowing (galar) sword dance ogerpon water u-turn on corvinight darkrai and glimmora

[south tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-ignore-that-friez-drag-dragon-mem-gif-25679084

[south tusk]

which would you prefer?

[proper warren]

why is someon runing this in OU: Lokix / Donphan / Hydrapple / Toxapex / Metagross / Salamence

thats a valid UU team, but OU?

[limber spear]

depends on what other stuff u do next av gives u a special “wall” and scarf gies speed control but if u are fine with ival being the only speed control then

[smoky badger]

https://pokepast.es/d587870b93c1d406

@south tusk

id make these changes first

go glim and got rid of cress for glowking bc having only ogerpon for pivot doesnt seem good

[limber spear]

may i ask why taunt on corv

[smoky badger]

i just put a move besides tailwind

[limber spear]

[smoky badger]

and if corv is a set up mon taunt what gonna try to stop it

like king gambit trynna sd with it or zama set up

imo

[limber spear]

ic

but aren’t u slower than them anyways or smth

[south tusk]

i think i def want to keep cresselia because i've always had good results with cress

and i think i'll probably go with samurott because i have no clue what slowking is supposed to do

i'll try taunt corv tho

[limber spear]

glowking is here for pivot kyurem check t spikes absorb stall breaking (kinda

[smoky badger]

yea since no glim he need a tspike absorber

[smoky badger]

i understand that but cress will need an entirely diff team

[south tusk]

D:

[smoky badger]

cress is like garg u will prolly terra and u lose momentum with it and it doesnt have the offensive power of garg which is wjy if u have a defensive mon made to terra that isnt garg its bad

garg is the only defensive mon u should terra most of the time

all others bad

[limber spear]

cres is like ok with cm sets and a cloak to turn into a end game win con imo

but then it wants to be in bulkier archetypes prolly h stack mostly to supports its dmg out put

[south tusk]

I think i'll probably mess around with what i have for now and come back later to see if galarian slowking is needed

i feel like cress should work but idk

[limber spear]

tbh cress is also good outside of cm sets

in like ho

[south tusk]

what does ho mean

[limber spear]

hyper offense

we hv a recent sun sample with eject button

iirc

or trick room teams

[south tusk]

ic

those sets are mainly for specific gimmicks tho

[limber spear]

not rlly gimmicks imo

they r sets that work "well"/have a specific niche that the archetype needs

[proper warren]

this valid? https://pokepast.es/0d2677f2aaa37742

[smoky badger]

hold up aint no one rated my team

https://pokepast.es/cf5b7cb8004511d1

[smoky badger]

ill look in a game

[smoky badger]

is this supposed to be HO?

[knotty sundial]

klefki is not generally viable as a screens setter

deo-s perhaps

[knotty sundial]

dragalge is out of place

what is your intention with it

[smoky badger]

it handles the offensive grass types and poisons uturn users

[knotty sundial]

the lack of recovery while being so slow just makes it not quite good enough to handle a lot of threats

[smoky badger]

thats the rilla + Alo support

what would u put instead

as a ogerpon answer and tspike absorber

[knotty sundial]

pech is that

but you'll probably need a better switch-in to like ghold and darkrai

[turbid kelp]

It's rarely used to make it enter the field multiple times

Without choice lock

[opaque atlas]

So do you think Boots Koko would be a good fit in place of Zapdos?

Oh wait Koko is banned in OU

[tacit bluff]

No koko just isn't in gen 9

None of the tapus are

(I wish they were)

[golden reef]

I was stuck 1000s rn using this team I made until 1300s any tips for this team https://pokepast.es/1c2eadad839e0916

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

not too bad

all of these are viable

make it cm sball moonblast tbolt valiant

uh

probably don’t wanna be

glasses + a tera that isn’t dark

you could just be standard lefties tera ghost here

i always feel

glasses is turbo greed

and maybe pult can be scale shot dnite here

[quartz lark]

** Clefable Sand**
https://pokepast.es/2c18e2c7e7857937

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[paper heart]

never wanna see lele on my screen ever again ngl

actual z-move terrorist

[nocturne sable]

Lele & koko are straight up broken in sv.

Fini and bulu are wtv

[tacit bluff]

I think fini would be fine

But I'm also thinkin on the vgc side of things

They would save reg f

Anyway not a convo for this channel

[silk adder]

https://pokepast.es/fb9ef9e5b87813f1

trying something new

ish

[proper warren]

tf is that heatran

[silk adder]

unironically i used the set showdown reccomended

the offensive set from smogon

[worthy vigil]

help me with my lokix team: https://pokepast.es/bcf3165c409cb7bc

[queen saddle]

that’s a normal tran set

[knotty sundial]

psychic noise prolly better than normal psychic for glowking

unless you have some specific calcs in mind

[worthy vigil]

just sometimes i like to have that extra dmg but i guess heal block for gliscor would help

[queen saddle]

make this boots spam

everyone but corvi and maybe crown js boots

[worthy vigil]

but rocky helmet is so good for the chip damage. i already have rapid spin + defog.