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queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 11:57 AM

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but then again I had rotom when I tested botj

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both

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so I’ll try out specs again

quartz lark Jan 28, 2026, 11:57 AM

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its very good

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walking wake in sun is the most unwallable mon in the gen

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 11:58 AM

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this just looks like my team with a gambit

quartz lark Jan 28, 2026, 11:58 AM

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yes

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 11:58 AM

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just use raging bolt

quartz lark Jan 28, 2026, 11:58 AM

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eh

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not my style

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i already have wake

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to add another abuser would be roaring moon but thats been banned

celest willow Jan 28, 2026, 12:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/49cd0d6d727f685b

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 12:08 PM

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yeah no… Scarf Wake is better, at least for this team

quartz lark Jan 28, 2026, 12:16 PM

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ight

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:16 PM

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https://pokepast.es/765fd6c5b5cf96e6
thoughts?

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only using 100% accuracy moves team

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molt for kyurem (might run more spatk to break sub)

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pex for oger somewhat?

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it’s kind of a tuff matchup but how is it

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:20 PM

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pexy sounds like a momentum sink icl

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nor does it check woger that well

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:21 PM

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limber spear nor does it check woger that well

yeah…

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what to run over pex? idrk

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wait

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:21 PM

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u need a water resist over it that checks pon

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:21 PM

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gunk shot is inaccurate I firgit

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:21 PM

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like rilla?

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:21 PM

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ban Pex

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:22 PM

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limber spear like rilla?

but I also want a phys def pivot

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:22 PM

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i think tres slot is also fairly free

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its only as flyer

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:23 PM

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True

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I really REALLY

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ONLY

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Want 100% accurate moves

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:23 PM

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was thinking like dnite>tres and smth over pexy

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and making it an offense

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:23 PM

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hm

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fair

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roost ddance?

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:24 PM

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most dd variations work

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go espeed

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3a ig

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:24 PM

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hm

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:24 PM

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u need espeed for better sun mu imo

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or like dd roost espeed rockslide?

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cuz u cant break tres here

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or go sedge quake tusks(like spdef tres)

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:25 PM

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I want a better corvi answer rather than losing ballon on ghold

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:26 PM

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uh so maybe bolt>pex and keep tres?

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:26 PM

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I’ll think more later, in class rn

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Ill lyk

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:27 PM

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oh ok

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 2:39 PM

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limber spear uh so maybe bolt>pex and keep tres?

could I run phys def Clef?

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unaware boots

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hmm nah

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 2:45 PM

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i think unaware is too passive here

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also over who

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it isn’t a pon check iirc

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tbf it’s bulk is passable prolly but then yeah it’s too passive

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 3:27 PM

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Ugh ts pmo tm

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Why is building a team with moves that can’t miss so hard

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wait

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@limber spear is a defensive spikes Ogerpon set real

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 3:33 PM

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queen saddle <@1240133339541803078> is a defensive spikes Ogerpon set real

uh which pon

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and by defensive like what

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fat woger was used before

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i dont think i hv seen some newer sets but there was one to win a 1v1 vs crown

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but for like base pon is like hard to fit

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ivy is must and knock is broken same for uturn

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fast encore is like a rlly good merid thats exlclusive to base pon and it fits in boots spam mostly anyways

charred pumice Jan 28, 2026, 4:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4457486abb653280

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Retry with gapdos

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:13 PM

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charred pumice https://pokepast.es/4457486abb653280

boohoo tera types and weird sets (like boots corv and flame moth and boots rotom

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(tho like wash gap meow is defo workable with volt turn

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:21 PM

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limber spear uh which pon

I was thinking Woger

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Only problem is I want synthesis but also knock uturn spikes and ivy

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:22 PM

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i think spikes is droppable here icl

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:22 PM

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alr no hazard stack then

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it works thi

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tho

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:22 PM

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if u want then

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u can prolly drop syn/uturn

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:22 PM

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Probably

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https://pokepast.es/a63cda206b36ca44

charred pumice Jan 28, 2026, 4:23 PM

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limber spear <:boohoo:1293682061441237044> tera types and weird sets (like boots corv and fla...

I didn't set any Tera types

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Can you fix the sets

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:25 PM

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charred pumice Can you fix the sets

just use the smogon set (i am lazy)

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corv wants like helmet or lefties

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:25 PM

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queen saddle https://pokepast.es/a63cda206b36ca44

Is this good btw?

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:25 PM

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rotom wants prolly lefites and hex can be changed to like wisp/split

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:26 PM

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Speed control, hazard removal and control

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:26 PM

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moth wants fiery+sludge+wtv

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:26 PM

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Kyurem beat thru Molt

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Well

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I’mma do some calcs see how many evs I need

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To do 25% w flame

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:26 PM

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tbh u hv like dengo and spdef tres

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(i smh think tres doesnt fit that well in offense but i am not an expert

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:27 PM

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limber spear (i smh think tres doesnt fit that well in offense but i am not an expert

It’s bulky offense

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So you gotta consider that

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:29 PM

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i think for bo

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the pon check is too weak

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at the very least u need tera grass phy def tres

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:30 PM

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Inaccurate

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You fail to consider

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The Pech

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:30 PM

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what

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:30 PM

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oh waitI didnt add it

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LMAO

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OOPSSS

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:30 PM

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😭

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:30 PM

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Oh wait I forgot

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It was a scrapped version of the team I had pech in

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Gg’s

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LMAOO

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:31 PM

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can just go pech> woger

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and pray u dont run into any fire or water moves

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:31 PM

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But like I need the agua

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:31 PM

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prolly go like phy def tera dragon tres?

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:31 PM

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the water

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Is like

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Mixed bulk Molt a thing

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:32 PM

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zama for prima?

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:32 PM

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I do kinda want a sweeper for the end game

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other than just ghold

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Well Prim and Pech core is decent with Molt too

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Hm

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CM prim

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:33 PM

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prolly fat cm prim works tho i prefer av here

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:34 PM

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Fat CM?

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Like what ev’s then

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to be tanky

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Or should it be fast

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:34 PM

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252 def hp

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dkiss sub cm psynoise (or was it surf)

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:35 PM

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well hows this rq

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https://pokepast.es/40270f43103c2817

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:36 PM

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prolly go like a pon check>zama (it works for once (refering to zama) when it procs dauntless

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:36 PM

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Hm

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:36 PM

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prolly just go pech or smth else over zama slot

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tres and tusk prolly deals with gambit mu

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:36 PM

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Then we go back to Pech with Sp def Molt

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And then prim over woger

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:37 PM

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technically u dont need pech

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9839f02ff220df30

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:37 PM

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things like kyurem can work

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:38 PM

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what do I do vs knock off

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lowkey

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:38 PM

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queen saddle what do I do vs knock off

cereal uh mola?

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over prima

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and then kyurem> pech

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like tickle mola

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:38 PM

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gg’s woger

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:39 PM

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kyurem and tickle mola makes it playable

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:40 PM

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Could I run NP Rai

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And keep Pech as a spin blocker

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https://pokepast.es/674e6b608e085dfb

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2 sweepers

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rocker and remover

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spin block w 2 pivots

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well

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could Prim be different?

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:44 PM

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queen saddle could Prim be different?

av glowking?

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oh wait

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:44 PM

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limber spear av glowking?

Double poison

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Ground weakness even higher

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Water types would be nice tho

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:44 PM

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prolly make like tres spdef for kyurem

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oh av hamu

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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Oh yeah that was meant to be spdef

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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limber spear oh av hamu

Fuck

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He would be so good

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but that inaccuract

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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and get a knocker

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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this team is meant to be 100% accurate FAHHH

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I cant

limber spear Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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like krai can knock or other

queen saddle Jan 28, 2026, 4:45 PM

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I hate missing

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https://pokepast.es/695d97e3ba64e648

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I would say fairy matchup looks rough BUTT

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Literally

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Enam and Val

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Blank into both my guys

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Unless it’s tera electric cm Val

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Hm

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I think Prim is actually better to keep here for Val

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https://pokepast.es/0b9a4a9928b49709
I think this is the final form of the team

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Rai could be boots

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foul play is meant to be shadow ball mb

alpine furnace Jan 28, 2026, 6:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6054ad89d7345348 recently made this, been having fun with sub + protect Kyurem.

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 28, 2026, 6:46 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

nocturne sable Jan 28, 2026, 6:46 PM

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alpine furnace https://pokepast.es/6054ad89d7345348 recently made this, been having fun with su...

Offensive item on zamazenta over boots for more breaking power. That’s all I really have to comment cuz this is a standard blimax-esque kyurem comp

inner terrace Jan 28, 2026, 6:47 PM

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yeah

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reminds me of the storm team sorta

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can even run like colbur on gking

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and then uturn defog corv

alpine furnace Jan 28, 2026, 7:00 PM

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so Uturn, brave bird, defog , roost corv and LO or banded zamazenta?

blissful nebula Jan 28, 2026, 7:03 PM

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alpine furnace https://pokepast.es/6054ad89d7345348 recently made this, been having fun with su...

i believe storm zone and blimax made this team already

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theres different versions with Bolt as well

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over kyurem

alpine furnace Jan 28, 2026, 7:11 PM

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blissful nebula i believe storm zone and blimax made this team already

did they?

quartz lark Jan 28, 2026, 8:14 PM

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looks like the blimax sample

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 28, 2026, 8:22 PM

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Hey @boreal tangle, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9legendszaou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060682530094862477 instead.

rustic bison Jan 28, 2026, 11:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

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Is this good?

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Wasnt the bot suposed like, to ping?

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 12:12 AM

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It hasn’t been 6 hours

rustic bison Jan 29, 2026, 1:10 AM

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quartz lark It hasn’t been 6 hours

Ohh ok

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 1:26 AM

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rustic bison https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

This is not really that good. None of the sets or moves here are any good.

The only mons that are worth keeping here is meowscarada & Tinkaton. Tinkaton is usually its utility set(stealth rock, knock off/twave, encore, giga hammer) and scarf meow isn’t bad but petal blizzard is useless here you’re better off running triple axel to hit flying types.

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You can start off with a core like that and go towards a hazard stacking route(spikes, stealth rocks, etc) but the rest I would personally just dump they don’t really have value here

patent pilot Jan 29, 2026, 2:19 AM

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rustic bison https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

Hell nah

low phoenix Jan 29, 2026, 6:05 AM

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https://pokepast.es/fcbbd9f5f048b0d4

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band weavile pivot offense

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 8:43 AM

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rustic bison https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

Just use my pikachu team

https://pokepast.es/60f9f9a798f94a0a

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Ik what im doing here

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 9:54 AM

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low phoenix https://pokepast.es/fcbbd9f5f048b0d4

I think if you’re running pivot spam it would make more sense to use psychic noise over future sight since pivoting is your main momentum pusher

heady carbon Jan 29, 2026, 10:42 AM

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rustic bison https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

oh god

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first of all, you're running triple STAB on Pikachu

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plus Pikachu isnt really viable in OU

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and 4 HP evs is not reccomended

rustic bison Jan 29, 2026, 11:30 AM

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heady carbon oh god

Is it that bad 😭

heady carbon Jan 29, 2026, 11:30 AM

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rustic bison Is it that bad 😭

It can win a few games but not by much

rustic bison Jan 29, 2026, 11:30 AM

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Hm

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I will try to make a new one with those tips yall gave

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And the 3 games I played with it

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 11:37 AM

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https://pokepast.es/40d7e2ce7e56fbd2

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 29, 2026, 11:37 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 11:40 AM

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queen saddle https://pokepast.es/40d7e2ce7e56fbd2

Offensive spikes w Ghold as a stall breaker and defog blocker, Garg being a secondary spin blocker and a nice ghold check

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No moves that can miss

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D-tail roost dragonite to beat Woger

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 11:42 AM

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queen saddle No moves that can miss

isnt dtail 90% acc

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(also its too greedy to run like garg woger and non boots dengo on like a balance with no removal

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 11:47 AM

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limber spear isnt dtail 90% acc

oh.

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 11:50 AM

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limber spear (also its too greedy to run like garg woger and non boots dengo on like a balanc...

then whats your thoughts

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 11:51 AM

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scor for tusk and like idbp garg?

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idk

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 11:53 AM

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limber spear scor for tusk and like idbp garg?

Then what abt the ghold slot

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 11:54 AM

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prolly can keep

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u need speed con anyways

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 11:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b2b4365dab152fb6 people is this good?

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@limber spear need your help, also HEYY hru?

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:04 PM

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jade cedar <@1240133339541803078> need your help, also HEYY hru?

hi (also is this not just https://pokepast.es/297ba69ca070dbeb)

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:05 PM

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limber spear hi (also is this not just https://pokepast.es/297ba69ca070dbeb)

wait there is a sample for that?

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:05 PM

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tera normal mola here is prolly better cuz u hv ghost resist

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:05 PM

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jade cedar wait there is a sample for that?

the last batch yeah

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:05 PM

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limber spear the last batch yeah

I've been wanting to test with tera grass tusk for woger matchups

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:06 PM

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doesnt sound that bad ig

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but then u need to burn tera

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:07 PM

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limber spear but then u need to burn tera

ye ik but it's for like surprise factor if they switch woger in I can just set up

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obviously after checking all the special threats

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:08 PM

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also cuz u arent bslam mola

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and phy def slowking

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it just sounds annoying

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cuz u dont hv switch in if they "trap" your mola

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:10 PM

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limber spear also cuz u arent bslam mola

then ig I should make mola av and g-king something else?

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:10 PM

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tbh i think the sample is prolly the best solution smh

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like the idea is the same

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and same mons overall

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its just like 2-3ish set tweaks

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:12 PM

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limber spear tbh i think the sample is prolly the best solution smh

ig... still is tera grass tusk plausible?

limber spear Jan 29, 2026, 12:17 PM

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prolly dragon is better?

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but if u dont like the pon mu then prolly

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or like tera grass on phy def king

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and such

knotty apex Jan 29, 2026, 12:19 PM

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Okay I'm really new to this. I just started playing showdown with OU last tuesday and I've made a trickroom team. I currently have a 12 W - 17 L and I don't know what I'm missing. I really want to have mons that I personally love in my team instead of OP paradox mons with crazy Base Stats. Any tips?
https://pokepast.es/61cf7e25b95350fa

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 12:21 PM

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quartz lark I think if you’re running pivot spam it would make more sense to use psychic noi...

@low phoenix since you’re running pivot spam can you test this team

https://pokepast.es/f9afa9ddb6754d8f

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 12:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/702ee403b6fe8b39 more trash teams

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 1:21 PM

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knotty apex Okay I'm really new to this. I just started playing showdown with OU last tuesda...

I mean what you dislike comes with the territory of the current gen

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You can only be creative with a solid hold of the metagame you're playing.

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 29, 2026, 1:30 PM

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OverUsed (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 1:30 PM

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Work on the fundamentals first before you battle.

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It's easier to build good habits than to fix bad ones.

knotty apex Jan 29, 2026, 1:32 PM

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Thank you

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 1:32 PM

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not at all a problem

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 1:34 PM

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jade cedar https://pokepast.es/b2b4365dab152fb6 people is this good?

This is just a worst version of an already existing old sample team

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 29, 2026, 2:56 PM

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Hey @rustic bison, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

rustic bison Jan 29, 2026, 2:56 PM

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Oooh

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 4:15 PM

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knotty apex Okay I'm really new to this. I just started playing showdown with OU last tuesda...

well

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a lot of these are just unusable in ou but that comes with the power level

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theres also just way too many issues with the team to really fix without giving you a whole different team

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if you just wanna use trick room you can go into ou room and type /rfaq tr i think?

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and you’ll get a bunch of at least viable builds

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 4:18 PM

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jade cedar https://pokepast.es/702ee403b6fe8b39 more trash teams

scizor is a little out of place here as is meow

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cause you kinda just have the classic hatt kyurem tornadus structure but with a specs volcanion over the kyurem

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tbh i dont hate it but you probably want to like

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change hat to a regular pain split set

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cause cm will eventually lose to ting lu

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since you can’t get any hp back

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or rather enough hp back

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 5:06 PM

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final relic scizor is a little out of place here as is meow

most of the team is weak to ice and fairy types, scizor keeps things from exoculating and meow is for speed control

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 5:19 PM

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jade cedar most of the team is weak to ice and fairy types, scizor keeps things from exocul...

Can just use pecha here if you’re worried about fairies then run like kingambit or something over scizor.

jade cedar Jan 29, 2026, 5:20 PM

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nocturne sable Can just use pecha here if you’re worried about fairies then run like kingambit ...

what set?

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 5:28 PM

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jade cedar what set?

You can try out bulky gambit+max speed pecha

knotty apex Jan 29, 2026, 6:27 PM

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final relic and you’ll get a bunch of at least viable builds

Thanks

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 6:58 PM

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jade cedar most of the team is weak to ice and fairy types, scizor keeps things from exocul...

you can use gking for this then add gambit

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or pech works

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cdc9063bc5310ecb

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 29, 2026, 7:14 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:14 PM

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how’s this lookin and cookin

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Showed Feesh this but added Ttar over Tusk bc it’s boots spam

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skarm is an ez knock absorber

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I get really easy hazards

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Ttar is rlly bulky already so cb can break thru sum stuff ion like

inner terrace Jan 29, 2026, 7:17 PM

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no water resist

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think like pon or nite over tar

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run plot pech

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:24 PM

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random ttar is weird on hstack

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especially as you uh

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have good knock users already

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and ting lu is kinda doing the same role here

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clef shouldn’t be spdef

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and yeah a dd roost ekiller dnite would be way better here + np pech

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:32 PM

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Kinda struggling with Corvi

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:33 PM

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final relic and yeah a dd roost ekiller dnite would be way better here + np pech

Alright tho

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I need help w Corvi tho

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:34 PM

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corv is not that big an issue for these types of team

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ting lu can easily annoy it

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:34 PM

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Defog is super free tho?

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:34 PM

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cause it has to switch in and defog

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:34 PM

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final relic ting lu can easily annoy it

cant it js u-turn tho

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:34 PM

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and then you can ruin and chip it

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:35 PM

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who kos it tho

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:35 PM

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while it has to also roost off any other chip

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that your other mons deal to it

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:35 PM

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hm

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 7:35 PM

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queen saddle Defog is super free tho?

You force roost with ruin

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:36 PM

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you just play the long game and outlast it

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 7:36 PM

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And when corv doesn’t have much roost left it’s easy to overwhelm

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:36 PM

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alr I see

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 7:37 PM

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final relic you just play the long game and outlast it

^

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 7:37 PM

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how much bulk do I run on dnite

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bc ddance roost right?

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 7:38 PM

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you know something funny

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:38 PM

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queen saddle how much bulk do I run on dnite

i usually run enough speed to be faster than ogerpon at +1

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 7:38 PM

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corv runs 0 speed ivs to defog after ruin/hazards or to pivot after ruin

final relic Jan 29, 2026, 7:38 PM

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and then 252 attack adamant rest in bulk

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 7:40 PM

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another funny thing is disallowing an eq to hit after roost since corv roosts after ruin

nocturne sable Jan 29, 2026, 7:40 PM

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quartz lark another funny thing is disallowing an eq to hit after roost since corv roosts af...

I mean ting Lu is still forcing roost from corv

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 7:41 PM

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yes

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its funny to waste the ruins

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which has 16 pp

low phoenix Jan 29, 2026, 8:08 PM

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low phoenix https://pokepast.es/fcbbd9f5f048b0d4

Any rater got any feedback for this team?

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 8:21 PM

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I mean I just did lol

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 10:10 PM

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quartz lark Ik what im doing here

yo

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I feel like half the time you don’t

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know

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but you’re being very incompetent most of the time so you don’t realize

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Like I remember you posted your teams here and once I gave you feedback w smb else you completely disregarded it

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and ended up making another team anyways

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so please if you dont know ur shit go away

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 10:11 PM

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low phoenix Any rater got any feedback for this team?

and I’ll see if I can say anything

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but lmk if you feel any problems vs some mons

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for one where are your rocks

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and also G-king I feel as if does not need ice beam

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you have lots of ice moves on your team

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your team is very quickly paced but why use phys def Slowking when Pech is right there?

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You have no ghosts either way

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And this way you get a sp def and phys def pivot

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you could use either fast or max phys def pech

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 10:13 PM

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queen saddle yo

This is a pikachu team

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 10:13 PM

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also run knock off over beat up

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I’m wondering why you ran beat up in the first place but not gonna criticize

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Js run knock

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Woger should be spikes or sd

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and if it’s spikes use knock uturn ivy spikes

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sd just remove uturn

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you dont rlly want power whip if ur going all out attacker/pivot pon

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Horn leech lets you heal

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I also feel like your team is primarily physical which isn’t horrid but eh

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I guess Tornt and Pech might be solid but idk

queen saddle Jan 29, 2026, 10:18 PM

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rustic bison https://pokepast.es/d417dfc784859836

Try out some sample teams…

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 10:23 PM

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@queen saddle wharrrido

quartz lark Jan 29, 2026, 11:41 PM

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@queen saddle https://youtu.be/CivujboA-0M?si=Bq9F0XjP0lKIgStx

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deep locust Jan 30, 2026, 1:58 AM

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https://pokepast.es/bc4d7af2c29ca54a

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 30, 2026, 1:58 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

deep locust Jan 30, 2026, 1:58 AM

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Thoughts?

inner terrace Jan 30, 2026, 2:03 AM

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team looks pretty usable but i think you could run more non boots items

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like keep boots on slowking if you want but hydrapple maybe try like

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helm or lorb or lefties

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and you can make val specs as well

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 2:05 AM

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deep locust https://pokepast.es/bc4d7af2c29ca54a

6 mons look fine but I’m not really a fan of the lack of breaking power here.

I think you can change the ival set around

inner terrace Jan 30, 2026, 2:05 AM

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since you have multiple pivots it can be awkward to have booster

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on a bulkier team

deep locust Jan 30, 2026, 2:10 AM

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I was thinking the same thing but wasn’t sure how to fill rhat gap while getting a knocker so I just rolled with that

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What about SD Ival?

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 2:12 AM

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deep locust What about SD Ival?

Your team needs more immediate damage imo. Knock doesn’t really matter as much unless you’re like Hstack

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And rocks+specs val is still enough to put pressure on teams

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Even if they have Bootspams or wtv

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:14 AM

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Lando got screwed this gen, no knock off, especially no more defog then rock combo

deep locust Jan 30, 2026, 2:15 AM

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quartz lark Lando got screwed this gen, no knock off, especially no more defog then rock com...

True

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:16 AM

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Gen 8 was a time

deep locust Jan 30, 2026, 2:16 AM

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nocturne sable Your team needs more immediate damage imo. Knock doesn’t really matter as much u...

For sure. I’ll try that

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:17 AM

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Could use vacuum wave over trick for some priority

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That lando’s scarf getting knocked is a very real possibility.

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 2:34 AM

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quartz lark That lando’s scarf getting knocked is a very real possibility.

Why would he switch Lando on Knock when he has corviknight & apple to scout that

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Anyway vacuum wave is a move but it’s not really ideal to get locked into

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Trick has its uses in crippling defensive mons like mola & clod

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:47 AM

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For when gking can’t stay in to chilly. Then wave for the faster scarfers such as rai.

Mola can’t wish+pivot when tricked, but it’s still serviceable

Clod is seen on 5.56% of teams at 1825+, then less at 1695+.

Trick is definitely good I just figured vacuum wave wouldn’t be that bad here. Another thing I was concerned with was tricking the specs away when alo clicks flip turn with little repercussion.

I do like that trick opens up the lando a little bit and the val heavily though.

That is all. Blob_Sip

rapid barn Jan 30, 2026, 3:51 AM

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nocturne sable Anyway vacuum wave is a move but it’s not really ideal to get locked into

tbh, it would be better to have another coverage move

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or trick

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instead of vaccum wave

flat jackal Jan 30, 2026, 5:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d196ba7f65008f86

alpine furnace Jan 30, 2026, 9:29 AM

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Tested a few battles with this; I know hazards and defog don't normally mix, but I feel like I have the longevity to do it with Kyurem.

https://pokepast.es/4f2a8f34b135c0b8

Weeze is the primary defogger and dragon immunity while removing toxic spikes on the witch, giving us another toxic absorber.

Zamazenta is our speedy wallbreaker

SD Glisc was once spikes but I figured the ability to threaten opposing Gliscor, defoggers, and rapid spinners with SD knock-offs was a nice touch. Also voltswitch immunity.

Kyurem is bulky with good dmg and breaks through Dozo, pex, and Alomomola.

Alomomola keeps everyone healthy while walling off most physical attackers.

Garg sets hazards and threatens any steel type it takes a hit from (took a hit from Close combat scizor just to salt cure it cuz I had a wish to restore its health.). Garg is also delightful chip for any wall that can't outright kill it in 1 or 2 hits (mostly for tusk since it can take a headlong rush and return with salt cure then protect and swap for chip.)

It makes sense on paper and worked pretty well. I really hope this isn't just a sample or 1 off a sample.

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 30, 2026, 9:29 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 11:14 AM

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https://pokepast.es/23a53c39e8e7b08a

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-only one water resist
-lacking in speed(?) but strong prio

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:07 PM

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worn socket https://pokepast.es/23a53c39e8e7b08a

if your hatt goes down people slurp at the sound of hazards vs your team

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both ur priority users are choiced

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tclap being very easy to dance around

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stall absolutely eats up your team, maybe bolt can do something but weavile js gets dozoed or skarm

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Idk why Zap is here lowkey

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It’s usually choiced if ever used

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bulk up is not sweeping

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:12 PM

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alpine furnace Tested a few battles with this; I know hazards and defog don't normally mix, but...

This team seems relatively solid, especially since you’re not running spikes and instead, rocks, and you are fat enough to reset those rocks too

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you have lots of defense and bulk on you while having wallbreakers

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But Woger..

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Woger may be handled by Kyurem but if rocks are up

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and Woger uses play rough

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you’re gonna struggle

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honestly I feel like you have an answer to

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nearly everything besides that

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anything else you struggle with? bc this team is strong

rustic bison Jan 30, 2026, 12:14 PM

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queen saddle Try out some sample teams…

Owtch

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😭

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 12:14 PM

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queen saddle stall absolutely eats up your team, maybe bolt can do something but weavile js g...

ive beaten each stall mu w zap so far

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:14 PM

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worn socket ive beaten each stall mu w zap so far

Dondozo gobbles you up

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for dinner

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Skarmory idefs on your face and giggles

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Pecharunt not even used on stall poisons you and laughs when you hit yourself

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 12:15 PM

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t. kick lowers enemy def plus lefties set gives it pretty good longevity

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thats why its tera steel xd

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just set up on the guys that try toxic it

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weavile can do alot of chip to its checks

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but specs tclap is very sketchy thats true

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:18 PM

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finally stopped lagging

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either way

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is t kick a guaranteed drop?

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 12:18 PM

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yup

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:18 PM

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You still struggle with defensive birds tho

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Molt just swaps in and can get a free burn

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Zap same thing w para

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the best you got really is just

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Raging Bolt

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And mons can take advantage of your bolt’s choice lock

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you go for dragon move expecting their tusk,
Oh no, they went Iron Val! Time to take moon blast and cc!

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Enam is a better example actually

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Eject button is used on weather teams that want turns to abuse their weather

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you don’t have any of that

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just use pain split hatt and slot on a spinner or

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get a spinner and drop hatt for a spdef pivot

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 12:21 PM

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doesn’t this team just die to kyurem

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if u run split hatt

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if gap rlly breaks stall then isn’t av better

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:22 PM

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true

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also is that a real treads set

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 12:24 PM

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its the treads set if ur r bolt mu is bad

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outruns timid ghold

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 12:28 PM

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worn socket outruns timid ghold

I see

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not bad

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 12:58 PM

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quartz lark > For when gking can’t stay in to chilly. Then wave for the faster scarfers such...

?? 5.56% at 1800s means it’s relevant

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And if you are facing stall you’re definitely seeing a clod

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 12:59 PM

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For sure

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:02 PM

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worn socket https://pokepast.es/23a53c39e8e7b08a

Not a big fan bulk up gapdoz it’s not really sweeping much tbh. You already have choice band weavile & specs bolt which can put pressure on bulkier builds.

I would replace gapdoz with spikes Gliscor here. Also just make hatt normal pain split set this team is not fast paced enough for a healing wish eject button set.

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:04 PM

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queen saddle Dondozo gobbles you up

Btw half of what you said isn’t even true treads+hatt is fine as hazard control and stall does not eat up his team when he has specs bolt and choice band weavile.

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:04 PM

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ive snowballed alot with gzap but i am low 1400s rn

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:04 PM

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Please refrain from giving rates if you’re not that experienced with the meta

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:05 PM

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worn socket ive snowballed alot with gzap but i am low 1400s rn

Yea you can win with anything at that elo

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But generally that gapdoz set is not viable

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You’ll probably benefit more from a proper flying

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Like I said. Spikes Gliscor can really benefit your team. You can run spikes earthquake protect & toxic/U-turn depending on your choice

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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@nocturne sable did you see that one Santu vs. Ruffles ORAS game when Santu’s mew burned Ruffles’ Gliscor turn one

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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nocturne sable Like I said. Spikes Gliscor can really benefit your team. You can run spikes ear...

roger 👍

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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quartz lark <@614269880312528917> did you see that one Santu vs. Ruffles ORAS game when San...

SPL?

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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I think Im not sure it was a while ago

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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it is a pretty fun set

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:13 PM

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Prob some other tour

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:14 PM

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fly+fight stab w dark coverage is rly good in sv

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:14 PM

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Def not this spl though

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:15 PM

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nocturne sable Not a big fan bulk up gapdoz it’s not really sweeping much tbh. You already have...

that’s fair enough but like wouldn’t they lack a kyurem check

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tho treads with rocks and weavile can do smth

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:16 PM

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weavile low kick kos from full

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:17 PM

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was just worried about switch in

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or like sub tect

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(taxel is 🥀 🥀 🥀

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:19 PM

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limber spear that’s fair enough but like wouldn’t they lack a kyurem check

With hazards up how many times is Kyu switchin in

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+he has spdef treads that can live a hit or two+weavile & hatt so Kyu is fine

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:20 PM

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fair enough

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hatt helps with like psy noise?

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or what

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 1:22 PM

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limber spear hatt helps with like psy noise?

Yea+tera steel can be used in emergency situations

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:25 PM

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then how do u normally decide if your kyurem check is enough

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besides like the conventional steels(exclude tran)+special walls like glowking

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cuz like most teams hv rocks to pressure it anyways

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:28 PM

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Can it take kyurem’s hits well? Is it faster than Kyurem? Does it break through substitute?

Good questions to answer your questions.

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:32 PM

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like isn’t that just most steels

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with like glowking blissey

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so basically if i can break every sub and outspeed and i am kyurem proof?

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if on offensive teams

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and does same apply to like av and specs

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:37 PM

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Look at Zama for example

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It's faster than kyurem, it threatens kyurem, and it takes kyurem's hits relatively well.

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Of course not all pokemon will do this as well as zama, but as long as you have a pokemon that has these three qualities you're fine.

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If that pokemon breaks through sub through multi hit moves or infiltrator, it doesnt need the last quality

worn socket Jan 30, 2026, 1:40 PM

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imo if it isnt subtect or specs it isnt all that threatening

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:40 PM

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but even if u r slower doesn’t it still work

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:40 PM

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to an extent

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like special corv

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or garg before tera

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 1:40 PM

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nocturne sable Btw half of what you said isn’t even true treads+hatt is fine as hazard control ...

I lowkey forgot treads gets spin

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forgive me I typed that early in the morning

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:42 PM

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limber spear but even if u r slower doesn’t it still work

but do realize that freeze dry is 32 pp, and kyurem has the ability pressure, while freeze dry has a 10% chance to freeze

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/190d172910b78979 cereal cm cres cuz i ran out of funny mons

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:45 PM

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quartz lark but do realize that freeze dry is 32 pp, and kyurem has the ability pressure, wh...

tbh i think the freeze is like uncontrollable

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and u never win a pp stall yeah

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:47 PM

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its winnable

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just win the mind game

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:48 PM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/190d172910b78979 <:cereal:1413753463539761263> cm cres cuz i...

prolly can go bliss>mola 🤔 (like 2a

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:58 PM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/190d172910b78979 <:cereal:1413753463539761263> cm cres cuz i...

Use this over your current cress set

Cresselia @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

Lunar Dance
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Moonlight

If you wanted set-up, ogerpon should get it not cress.

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 1:59 PM

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but that was the gimmick wow

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also doesn’t lunar dance feel weird here

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 1:59 PM

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What's it meant to do

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:01 PM

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to sweep 🥀 during end game with hazards up to support its dmg

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:02 PM

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I think ogerpon has a better chance of doing that.

If you're concerned of no longer having a fast pivot when foregoing u-turn, simply make pecharunt a fast pivot set.

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:05 PM

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isnt it better to get rid of cress now

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if i go sd basepon

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:05 PM

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If you want

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:10 PM

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who do i go then

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:12 PM

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Whatever fits, preferably something that isnt weak to u-turn

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Maybe something to form a breaking core with ogerpon to pair nicely with the hazard route

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 2:12 PM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/190d172910b78979 <:cereal:1413753463539761263> cm cres cuz i...

Usually you go Tera poison with cm cress to avoid poison

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:13 PM

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nocturne sable Usually you go Tera poison with cm cress to avoid poison

is steel also fine?

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or u would still want poison

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:13 PM

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poison is the better tera

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:13 PM

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cuz i didnt go poison at first cuz i thought i'd 1v1 glowking/common toxic users anyways

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besides like pexy amoong

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scor

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 2:15 PM

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limber spear is steel also fine?

You have covert cloak for psynoise

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You can 1v1 gking

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:16 PM

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oh ok

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besides that any other thing to change

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:17 PM

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maybe mixed av mola to pair with ting-lu

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takes the load off ghold answering

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:19 PM

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wouldnt that kinda suck in boots spam

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:19 PM

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if you wanted to remove cress you could get something that removes through ghold instead

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:21 PM

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so like

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tusk?

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:24 PM

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That’s an example

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:27 PM

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and then go bootsless on pech and oger ?

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:29 PM

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Keep the boots

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:30 PM

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wait what

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then why do i need a spinner

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if i am boots spam

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and i hv like knock absorbers anyways

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like skarm (or even mola

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:33 PM

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limber spear then why do i need a spinner

If you wanted to remove cress

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:33 PM

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wait wdym i dont get it

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so tusk>cress then now what

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:37 PM

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If you believe putting a remover over cress and making pon sd would complicate things, keep cm cress.

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:41 PM

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was just thinking adding removal so weird when keeping everything boots

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:43 PM

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Mhm hm

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Pretty complicated

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:47 PM

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cereal what do u recommend then

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 2:49 PM

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I honestly have no qualms with this assortment I think you got it 🙌

limber spear Jan 30, 2026, 2:50 PM

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😭 😭

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OhNo idk how i got to there https://pokepast.es/506d9986af95ff5c

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but there goes an offense

noble hare Jan 30, 2026, 3:04 PM

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Whats your thoughts yall? thanks

im conflicted on whether to go sd pon vs utility vs js another mon, or making it more hstacky with gholdengo

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https://pokepast.es/2887fc9818a95f44

alpine furnace Jan 30, 2026, 3:26 PM

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queen saddle anything else you struggle with? bc this team is strong

Actually G weeze exists.

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Like even after a +2 g weeze still only takes a 3rd and threatens will o wisp/sludge bomb bacm both of which woger doesnt like

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 3:30 PM

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alpine furnace Like even after a +2 g weeze still only takes a 3rd and threatens will o wisp/sl...

Alr that’s solid

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I wouldnt rely on it as much personally bc Woger can get nasty crits

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and whatnot yk

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but that’s fair

alpine furnace Jan 30, 2026, 3:45 PM

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Nvm its still a 2 hit ko after an SD but non SD set cant reliably ko weezing very well

alpine furnace Jan 30, 2026, 3:46 PM

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queen saddle I wouldnt rely on it as much personally bc Woger can get nasty crits

Also on that note there are next to 0 reliable switch ins to ogerpon-wellspring due to its ability to randomly crit its switch-ins. Even a well setup corviknight is one-shot after a +2 crit, skarmory hates a +2 crit, corv doesnt even want a standard crit, toxapex died after a +2 due to power whip or just gets encored into oblivion if its encore.

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Dragonite and pult hate knock off or play rough sets.

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Pecharunt is the only real relaible switch in to ivy cudgel and it still doesn't like crits.

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Plus we have zamazenta whp threatens a revenge ohko with CC

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 3:56 PM

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Talk your shit lax. Blob_Sip

alpine furnace Jan 30, 2026, 4:26 PM

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I sounded a lot more pretentious than I thought

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That is my bad, I genuinely just wanted to explain gweeze and ogerpon matchup

quartz lark Jan 30, 2026, 4:49 PM

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As long as your logic makes sense, you’re all right here. Blob_Sip

If you’re worried about sounding pretentious you can tailor your response to who you’re speaking with.

queen saddle Jan 30, 2026, 5:20 PM

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alpine furnace That is my bad, I genuinely just wanted to explain gweeze and ogerpon matchup

ur good, it’s also just all the mons u listed besides dragapult can heal reliably

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while weezing also only has pain split

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solid but yk not the best

uneven scarab Jan 30, 2026, 7:00 PM

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any advice for my snow team? (im new to this so sorry if it really bad)
https://pokepast.es/509cfb40846c17e3

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 30, 2026, 7:00 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

final relic Jan 30, 2026, 7:02 PM

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gking on veil is not useful

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you can switch it for another spatk mon

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iron moth, darkrai

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etc

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moth probably good since you have no grounded poison for tspikes

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cetitan isnt really good either since it does mostly the same thing as kyurem but worse (and you have blizzard on a phys attacker with 50 spatk stat?)

uneven scarab Jan 30, 2026, 7:04 PM

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thought i got rid of blizzard, my bad

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ill take that and asjust my team now, thank you

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sorry for another question but do you have any suggestions on what to replace cetitan with?

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 7:23 PM

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uneven scarab sorry for another question but do you have any suggestions on what to replace ce...

I mean there have been times where cetitan has done stuff in OU

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One time there was a Tera water liquidation set that peaked like 2000s one time

uneven scarab Jan 30, 2026, 7:25 PM

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ill try it out but it doesnt seem to fit my team very well

livid yew Jan 30, 2026, 10:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c9e823480ce0a097

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I don't know if gliscor and wogerpon fit

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 10:53 PM

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Who should I replace, I like walking wake torkoal but the other mons not pulling they weight fr

rapid barn Jan 30, 2026, 10:57 PM

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gray nacelle Who should I replace, I like walking wake torkoal but the other mons not pullin...

you need real hazard control

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cinderace coming in to court change or torkoal coming in taking 25% each time doesnt count

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and sun is supposed to be fast paced, no time to waste sun turns with gliscor or leech seed whimsicott

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also some other things, no need to make walking wake tera blast ice. tera water hydro steam under sun is already crazy strong, better off having something like flip turn

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 10:59 PM

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Alrighty

rapid barn Jan 30, 2026, 10:59 PM

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consider some other sun abuser to put on the team

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for ex, great tusk is really good

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since it could provide great damage and hazard control

frosty plinth Jan 30, 2026, 11:21 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c36915509e15fb92
I think this is solid just wondering if I'm missing anything
I also feel like I could replace woger with hamurott

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As the team is kind of bad into Gholdengo

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:35 PM

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gray nacelle Who should I replace, I like walking wake torkoal but the other mons not pullin...

That’s because half these sets don’t really fit Sun.

AV gambit is useless unless you’re running the cheesy metal burst set. But even then that’s a worst AV mirror coat mola. Just run gambits regular sword dance set. I would make it air balloon max speed low kick here for opposing gambits

Cinderace usually like to be offensive with torkoal structure cuz its sun. Choice band isn’t a bad set here.

Whimscott I haven’t seen on Sun in a hot minute. But last time I seen it usually just growth moonblast shadow ball giga drain. Although I think venusaur is just more ideal here than whimsicott.

Last I would drop Gliscor here. There are better mons you can place here. I’m thinking maybe an eject button hatterene or a utility cresselia set. Cresselia especially helps with grounds like tusk which Sun usually struggles with.

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Hatt can help with hazard control and pivoting with eject button

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 11:37 PM

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Thank you

rapid barn Jan 30, 2026, 11:37 PM

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id prolly swap it with tusk, still want an electric immunity

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and rapid spin*

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also im not sure, but I dont think torkoal runs max spdef?

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:40 PM

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Defensive checks don’t really matter on HO structures that much especially sun. + Tera ground Torkoal is here in a clutch.

Although yea tusk isn’t a bad option

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:40 PM

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rapid barn also im not sure, but I dont think torkoal runs max spdef?

Max spdef Torkoal is standard, for iron moth & tera ground raging bolt mainly

rapid barn Jan 30, 2026, 11:41 PM

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ahh

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its max on both sides and i dont remember seeing that

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 11:44 PM

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It should be like max hp and spdf i jus didnt do it when i made this pokepaste fsr

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:46 PM

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frosty plinth https://pokepast.es/c36915509e15fb92 I think this is solid just wondering if I'm...

6 mons are fine but team a lil too passive & slow.

Close combat>>knock off on tusk allows you to 2hko corv after rocks.

Utility wogerpon just feels kinda odd here. Maybe another attacker like darkrai or something can help. Maybe try out specs darkrai for some power.

Not really a fan of eq garg but if you’re struggling with iron moth I can kinda understand it.

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:46 PM

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rapid barn its max on both sides and i dont remember seeing that

Oh that’s weird

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 11:47 PM

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Is this what I should go with for hat

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:47 PM

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It’s usually just full spdef

nocturne sable Jan 30, 2026, 11:47 PM

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gray nacelle Is this what I should go with for hat

Yes

gray nacelle Jan 30, 2026, 11:54 PM

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1 last mon any good ideas

frosty plinth Jan 30, 2026, 11:57 PM

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nocturne sable 6 mons are fine but team a lil too passive & slow. Close combat>>knock off on t...

Eq is so I don't get walled by double Regen cores
Also
Yea I'm gonna replace woger with something else def
I'm gonna do Hamu probably

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For ghold

rapid barn Jan 31, 2026, 12:03 AM

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idk about hatt on the team

limber spear Jan 31, 2026, 12:24 AM

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gray nacelle 1 last mon any good ideas

prolly venu or smth u need speed control esp cuz wake is booster spa

gray nacelle Jan 31, 2026, 12:28 AM

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We jus gon have to see how it plays out 😹

limber spear Jan 31, 2026, 12:35 AM

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also the gambit set 🥀prolly its best to go for jolly if low kick and u would drop iron head instead of sucker

split hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 12:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3eb300e699575b87

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👀

patent pilot Jan 31, 2026, 1:23 AM

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split hamlet https://pokepast.es/3eb300e699575b87

Choose one bro you dont need both

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Let alone damp/heatrock on both

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Actively counter intuitive

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Also just go specs and timid on walking wake

final relic Jan 31, 2026, 7:07 AM

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split hamlet https://pokepast.es/3eb300e699575b87

weather mixing is never viable

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make ninetales a regular set with encore wisp healing wish weather ball or overheat

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tera ghost

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probably just drop pelipper and volcanion theyre the weakest parts

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wake should be max spatk modest and in the other two slots you can have like cresselia and venusaur

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oh and make ninetales max speed max hp as well

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forgot about that

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 PM

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final relic weather mixing is never viable

What about that triple Weather bot spam 😂

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 PM

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split hamlet https://pokepast.es/3eb300e699575b87

Okay but fr though you’re better off going full sun here.

inner terrace Jan 31, 2026, 6:53 PM

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final relic weather mixing is never viable

i think xav tried a sand rain team at one point

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this was also ages ago

limber crystal Jan 31, 2026, 7:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/dbc30e36316ceb4b

regal ginkgoBOT Jan 31, 2026, 7:38 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

limber crystal Jan 31, 2026, 7:42 PM

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limber crystal https://pokepast.es/dbc30e36316ceb4b

Maybe a bit of dengo vulnerability

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:18 PM

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final relic weather mixing is never viable

except the prosodij squad ofc

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:19 PM

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limber crystal https://pokepast.es/dbc30e36316ceb4b

im a big disbeliever in scarf kyu, especially if ur going trick sludge gking subtect is far better here

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/29c15103e9f79bea

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:20 PM

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could also go av mola here

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and lowk cind over molt

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:21 PM

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limber crystal https://pokepast.es/dbc30e36316ceb4b

what the curious medicine

limber crystal Jan 31, 2026, 8:21 PM

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Mb

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It was a quick build

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:22 PM

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zama becomes a lil ruff so u might want ft x psynoise on gking for that w a little pdef but

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and like ghost mola

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also go standard tusk here

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:23 PM

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frozen fox https://pokepast.es/29c15103e9f79bea

this team doesn’t really have any driving force behind it, half of it is webs but then there’s a gking?? all your webs abusers have weird sets too

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would recommend trying out some web samples

limber crystal Jan 31, 2026, 8:24 PM

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alpine hornet this team doesn’t really have any driving force behind it, half of it is webs bu...

Scarfed enamorus 😭

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:24 PM

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alpine hornet would recommend trying out some web samples

i'm just tryna make chomp work without scale shot 😛

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:24 PM

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limber crystal Scarfed enamorus 😭

i know i shouldn;t be cooking lmao

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i can ladder can't build for nothin

limber crystal Jan 31, 2026, 8:24 PM

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frozen fox i know i shouldn;t be cooking lmao

On webs it really isn’t necessary

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:25 PM

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lowkey just a darkrai check

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too many run hdb

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:33 PM

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frozen fox i'm just tryna make chomp work without scale shot 😛

outrage is fine

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this dclaw shit is not it tho

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lean into the breaker aspect

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if thats what u want

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:34 PM

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alpine hornet outrage is fine

forget sd go band?

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:34 PM

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outrage eq fire fang/aqua tail sd is solid

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@ lorb

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:34 PM

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frozen fox forget sd go band?

band chomp on webs 😭

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nay.

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:34 PM

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alpine hornet outrage eq fire fang/aqua tail sd is solid

at that point run naive fire blast no?

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:34 PM

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frozen fox at that point run naive fire blast no?

not on swords dance vro

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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i like edge to lure in moltres

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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aqua tail also does that

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while nuking scor and lando

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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for some odd reason a lot of people switch in moltres

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idk why

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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frozen fox i like edge to lure in moltres

You can literally just go Tera fire

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And be fine with moltres in that regard

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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fair enough

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:36 PM

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alpine hornet aqua tail also does that

aaaand game freak removed aqua tail from chomp

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got liquidation though

alpine hornet Jan 31, 2026, 8:36 PM

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frozen fox got liquidation though

ope that’s what im thinking of

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 8:37 PM

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frozen fox lowkey just a darkrai check

Usually kingambit is also useable on webs and can be a darkrai check if non focus blast

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/070e796189a0d6a9 bit too greedy on bolt?

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 8:43 PM

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frozen fox https://pokepast.es/070e796189a0d6a9 bit too greedy on bolt?

No brother Tera fire garchomp= run fire fang with it as well.

Run max speed max spatk np 3 attacks gholdengo(stab+focus blast)

You didn’t really need to change the enam it was fine here. Could have just ran specs over scarf.

Kingambit here as the last mon would be fine. Max speed Tera ghost doesn’t sound that bad here.

low phoenix Jan 31, 2026, 8:43 PM

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https://pokepast.es/902ad1dff6c4e5b0

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 8:44 PM

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nocturne sable No brother Tera fire garchomp= run fire fang with it as well. Run max speed max...

Also HDB on araq is kinda odd imo you have more value in running red card or custap

low phoenix Jan 31, 2026, 8:44 PM

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now that an actual rater is on how does my specs volcanion team look

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 8:44 PM

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nocturne sable Also HDB on araq is kinda odd imo you have more value in running red card or cus...

For this particular set though I would run red card

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:45 PM

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low phoenix https://pokepast.es/902ad1dff6c4e5b0

what is tera ice on corv for?

low phoenix Jan 31, 2026, 8:45 PM

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kyurem

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:48 PM

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nocturne sable No brother Tera fire garchomp= run fire fang with it as well. Run max speed max...

ight thanks

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WHOOPs wrong team lmao

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do we really need tspikes on g weez?

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:50 PM

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low phoenix kyurem

guh

low phoenix Jan 31, 2026, 8:52 PM

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its a real set

frozen fox Jan 31, 2026, 8:52 PM

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i mean sure

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but i don't see it staying up for very long

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strange steam feels better for the confusion

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plus chip

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 9:07 PM

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low phoenix https://pokepast.es/902ad1dff6c4e5b0

Very greedy team imo. CC tusk is frying this team alive. Your best bet is a 50/50 with gweez but that’s not super reliable here since gweez has like 0 attacking moves as well. I’m not really against the 6 mons here though I can see it working. But I feel like the sets are off.

I think this 0 attack gweez set is not going to work since your whole team will just end up walled by hatt. I think Tspikes glowking would make more sense here and just switching corv back to its regular physdef set.

And you’ll probably have to drop one of either volcanion or kyurem since having both is just kinda greedy. Maybe a CB oger wouldn’t be bad here. Addition speed control+not that hazard weak compared to kyurem

quartz lark Jan 31, 2026, 9:26 PM

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nocturne sable Very greedy team imo. CC tusk is frying this team alive. Your best bet is a 50/5...

qrash what do you think of sd encore pon

gray karma Jan 31, 2026, 10:11 PM

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charred pumice https://pokepast.es/4457486abb653280

try to revisit ur moveset a little, that corvi idea with body press is good but u can't do enough damage

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Will-o-wisp pain split volt switch hydro pump leftovers 252 HP 252 def bold Rotom wash

nocturne sable Jan 31, 2026, 10:42 PM

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quartz lark qrash what do you think of sd encore pon

Standard, what’s up

dapper flame Jan 31, 2026, 10:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8a3c65477e03c783
Ideas for what to use here? Looking for a 6th and not entirely set on hoodra, I just have always like Goodra :D. Thinking I need something for hazard control

quartz lark Jan 31, 2026, 11:30 PM

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nocturne sable Standard, what’s up

Would you consider this combo it’s best merit over its counterparts

queen saddle Jan 31, 2026, 11:59 PM

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dapper flame https://pokepast.es/8a3c65477e03c783 Ideas for what to use here? Looking for a 6...

Is this meant to be snow?

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For one H-Goodra doesn’t fit on Veil if that’s one of your wincoms

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wincons

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bc sure it’s tanky with veil but what r u doing against some mons
Balloon Ghold can kinda cook up the team once Goodra is down, and it’s not hard to use something like Lu to set up hazards

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esp w the fact tusk isn’t here to spin off hazards or even cm hatt (is that a real set on screens? Idk, if someone can tell me)

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Team could be relatively solid but I’d lean more on the screens part over snow

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 12:02 AM

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dapper flame https://pokepast.es/8a3c65477e03c783 Ideas for what to use here? Looking for a 6...

Oh how about you just drop the random atales from there and make this a BO team

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Goodra+weav & zama can work

queen saddle Feb 1, 2026, 12:03 AM

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actually accurate too

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yeah that would be tuff

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go w what he said

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 12:07 AM

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For the only two slots you probably add one of the elephant spinner+an additional spikes setter maybe Hamurott can work

dapper flame Feb 1, 2026, 12:40 AM

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yeah I was messing with aurora veil but I realized snow isn't really as beneficial as I thought. I can get rid of it and leave the core of hoodra weav zama

dapper flame Feb 1, 2026, 12:45 AM

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nocturne sable Oh how about you just drop the random atales from there and make this a BO team

BO team?

dapper flame Feb 1, 2026, 1:05 AM

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I replaced my atails with a grimmsnarl for screens, not sure about what to do for a 6th

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 2:10 AM

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dapper flame BO team?

Bulky offense

dapper flame Feb 1, 2026, 8:07 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4b8ea6670e47dc54
I've been trying to figure out a 6th mon to work. The grimm is a set I've been using that can catch some steel types off guard occasionally.

I've tried Dnite, and I didn't like it much. Was gonna give gambito a go but open to suggestions

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 1, 2026, 8:07 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn lark Feb 1, 2026, 9:08 AM

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dapper flame https://pokepast.es/4b8ea6670e47dc54 I've been trying to figure out a 6th mon to...

Zama set is wack, max speed timid is basically never run and psychic fangs doesn’t make sense, do crunch instead. Also, why invest so much into hp on a setup sweep set?

This also feels like mixing archetypes too much, you have a decently standard screens HO but then have Glowking and goodra who dont fit the tempo at all.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:47 PM

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dapper flame https://pokepast.es/4b8ea6670e47dc54 I've been trying to figure out a 6th mon to...

A mismatch in momentum is never good.

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6b9a8ee71dc95e0d

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 1, 2026, 3:48 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:48 PM

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I'd like to know the best team or balance.

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:48 PM

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marble junco I'd like to know the best team or balance.

i just go on youtube and get teams and just play with them and mix and match

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:49 PM

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hmm

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:50 PM

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i like trick room so i play with speed alot

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i like tailroom alot

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:51 PM

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Are you building this for doubles

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:51 PM

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I see

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:52 PM

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quartz lark Are you building this for doubles

no

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:52 PM

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blissful basin https://pokepast.es/6b9a8ee71dc95e0d

Are you building this for doubles

final relic Feb 1, 2026, 3:53 PM

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blissful basin https://pokepast.es/6b9a8ee71dc95e0d

is this a doubles team

final relic Feb 1, 2026, 3:54 PM

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marble junco I'd like to know the best team or balance.

there is no such best team

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everything will have a bad mu or several

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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quartz lark Are you building this for doubles

yea

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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final relic is this a doubles team

i sent it in the wrong channel but yea

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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A team has never been created that has solved pokemon

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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quartz lark A team has never been created that has solved pokemon

lol

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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Which is why teambuilding is so appealing

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Try to counter everything, and you make a poorly built team cause it will have no functionality

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:57 PM

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@quartz lark how does the team look overall though?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:57 PM

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I dont rate doubles teams

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https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

blissful basin Feb 1, 2026, 3:57 PM

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quartz lark https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

alr thanks

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:58 PM

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final relic there is no such best team

But in your opinion, which one do you think is better to play?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:58 PM

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Thats a layered question

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Balance is usually the most consistent

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Offense can win any mu

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Stall lets you play as aggressively as possible with the smallest repercussions but its also the weakest into bad mus

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 3:59 PM

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marble junco But in your opinion, which one do you think is better to play?

I'm one of those guys who plays well with any team.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 3:59 PM

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HO has the highest upside

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 4:00 PM

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marble junco I'm one of those guys who plays well with any team.

But do you build in every archetype

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 4:01 PM

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If any team comes to me, I know how to play.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 4:02 PM

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You should learn how to build as well

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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I also think

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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Cause then you're engaging with the meta better than just touring it

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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How do I put together a really good team?

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So what's the secret to leveling up faster in the tiers?

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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OverUsed (Gen 9)

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 4:04 PM

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Have fun learn the fundamentals then translate it to in-game skills, after that, learn other tiers to qualify for tours such as the smog tour

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 4:05 PM

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ok

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 4:05 PM

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The more you build the better you understand the game

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A bonus would be getting into rating

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To be fluent and gain clarity

marble junco Feb 1, 2026, 4:06 PM

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hmm ok

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 4:27 PM

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dapper flame https://pokepast.es/4b8ea6670e47dc54 I've been trying to figure out a 6th mon to...

Btw I think I told you to replace the screens setter & make the last two mons Hamurott+great tusk

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 5:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a9434ab80a688932

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:13 PM

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frozen fox https://pokepast.es/a9434ab80a688932

Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Dragon Dance
Tera Blast
Earthquake
Encore

Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Shadow Ball
Make It Rain
Trick
Focus Blast

Add nite for the last then make ghold scarf

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Use this over your current garchomp set

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Impish Nature

Earthquake
Dragon Tail
Stealth Rock
Spikes

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:15 PM

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sadge

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:15 PM

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Remove either Bolt or Crown

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:15 PM

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the goal was offensive chomp

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:15 PM

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I like it but you don't have much freedom here.

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:15 PM

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yeah

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:17 PM

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quartz lark Remove either Bolt or Crown

what do you suggest for bolt?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:17 PM

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The set is fine

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:17 PM

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as in when i remove it

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kyurem is one freeze dry away

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:18 PM

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Something with a good MU into tusk/treads

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:18 PM

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oger spam!!!!

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:18 PM

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You could forego the nite and use an oger-base with sd encore

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Then you have one slot

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:19 PM

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boots right?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:19 PM

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Yes

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:20 PM

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ight

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still a kyurem shaped hole in my team XD

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kingambit and call it a day?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:20 PM

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For the last slot get something for ace

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You can forego oger and put nite

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:21 PM

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how often is ace being used?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:21 PM

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nearly 10% on all teams at 1825+

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11% at 1625+

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and besides why would you not prep for ace if its relavent and has a good mu into your team

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:22 PM

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man i rarely see it at 1700s

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dnite been terrorizing

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:22 PM

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then put dnite on your team

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:23 PM

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sides doesn't chomp pack up ace sometimes?

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when it's not wisp

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:24 PM

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court change

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:24 PM

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tera water garg doesn't look half bad impo

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sure raging bolt is a slight issue

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but is easily revenge killed

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:25 PM

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just make garg tera fairy

frozen fox Feb 1, 2026, 6:25 PM

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idt i run rocks on garg right

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chomp just hazrads all over the place

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 6:25 PM

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just use curse

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tusk is the rock setter

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 8:07 PM

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https://psim.us/t/1515312-s19kdosihifqan72h7h3
Im building a juggernaut h samu build rn ive revised the moves and EVS etc a bit but i rly want samu h to shine and hit heavy. can anyone help me with this or what i should change? Also should i change sucker punch idk and ion think i should use sd right since it wastes turns

autumn hare Feb 1, 2026, 8:31 PM

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This looks extremely weak to Kyu

dapper flame Feb 1, 2026, 8:57 PM

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worn lark Zama set is wack, max speed timid is basically never run and psychic fangs doesn...

I'm not sure how it got set to timid 😭
what do you recommend for Zama EV spread? I was planning on changing back to Crunch after I needed it 2 battles in a row lol

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I'll take screens out and throw in Hamarott and GTusk

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 9:08 PM

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shrewd condor https://psim.us/t/1515312-s19kdosihifqan72h7h3 Im building a juggernaut h samu ...

Samurott-Hisui @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sharpness
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Jolly Nature

Ceaseless Edge
Razor Shell
Knock Off
Encore

Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fighting
Timid Nature

Shadow Ball
Make It Rain
Trick
Focus Blast

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Timid Nature

Stealth Rock
Earth Power
U-turn
Taunt

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Dark
Jolly Nature

Close Combat
Crunch
Stone Edge
Heavy Slam

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 224 HP / 32 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Jolly Nature

Pyro Ball
U-turn
Court Change
Will-O-Wisp

Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Timid Nature

Draco Meteor
Hex
Will-O-Wisp
U-turn

Replace your last 4 with Lando, Zama, Ace, Pult

Use these Samu-H and Ghold sets over your current sets.

Send pokepastes from now on to ping the raters.

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 9:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3cdd9ae7ce96b49c
Can someone helpme build this team im still deciding some moves for mons.
Its a juggernaut Hisuian Samurott build and i rly want hamu to shine with razor shell and ceaseless edge so it can pressure with ceaseless and nuke with razor shell. So yeah i basically want hamu to be the king of this team ig and the other mons to help it nuke teams

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 1, 2026, 9:48 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 9:55 PM

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shrewd condor https://pokepast.es/3cdd9ae7ce96b49c Can someone helpme build this team im still...

Scroll

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:08 PM

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quartz lark Scroll

dang this a whole new team okay

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:11 PM

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Honestly, the functions of the new batch are pretty similar.

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:12 PM

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quartz lark Honestly, the functions of the new batch are pretty similar.

do u midn explaining to me how that team u sent lets samurott play as the nuking juggernaut?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:12 PM

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Too greedy

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:13 PM

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quartz lark Too greedy

blobsad pretty please? (with a cherry on top)

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:14 PM

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The samu being lorb is too greedy

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:14 PM

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what does that even mean

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oh in my old team

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ok

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maybe i can use mystic water???1.2x damage + 1.5x with sharpness

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:16 PM

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No

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:16 PM

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why not

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:17 PM

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Boots is better for samu

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:18 PM

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okay

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:21 PM

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quartz lark Boots is better for samu

wait but genuinely how does this team even let samurott nuke n play juggernaut

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i have no idea

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:22 PM

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It doesnt

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:22 PM

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😭

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:22 PM

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What it does instead is utilize its utility

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:22 PM

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i se

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but what if i want hamu to be nuke

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:23 PM

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It doesn't have to on this team

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:23 PM

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okay

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so then what should i do with this team since its meant for samurott to be juggernaut https://pokepast.es/058b50cf871eaf8f

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:24 PM

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Use the current team

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:25 PM

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i mean like is there a way to improve it and it's intended use also ion know what to do for the moves?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:28 PM

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quartz lark Samurott-Hisui @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Sharpness EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 ...

These are the changes I proposed for your Samurott-Hisuian team.

These are the improvements I proposed for the Samurott-Hisuian team you posted.

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:29 PM

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quartz lark These are the changes I proposed for your Samurott-Hisuian team. These are the ...

what?

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:31 PM

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I mean, take it or leave it. Your team has been rated.

shrewd condor Feb 1, 2026, 10:32 PM

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ok

worn lark Feb 1, 2026, 10:48 PM

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dapper flame I'm not sure how it got set to timid 😭 what do you recommend for Zama EV sprea...

This is slightly niche but i like jolly tera fire 124 atk 212 def 172 speed

Yea this looks kinda weird but it lets you 2hko offensive ghold,
Outspeed standard sample zamazenta by 1
And just have the max left over for body press def

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 11:20 PM

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shrewd condor https://psim.us/t/1515312-s19kdosihifqan72h7h3 Im building a juggernaut h samu ...

This is not a bad 6 at all but you probably need more speed & priority.

Hamu+tusk+torn is normal. Ghold is fine too. I would probably replace Gliscor & raging bolt as it seems to just be overapping here & adding to the ice weakness.

https://pokepast.es/b11f19c5bb6a8090 something like this can work.

Changed gholdengo to scarf and made tusk speed booster energy for a lil more speed control+added priority in Hamurott and rillaboom. Of course you can also just use regular standard boots tusk here too.

Replaced Gliscor for pain split hatt as it helps your matchup into hazards & deals with mons like ting Lu for example.

Av torn helps your MU into most special attackers. Tera steel is nice for resisting moonblast from fairy types.

And yea that’s pretty much it. Your team was fairly standard just had a few overlaps.

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Here Samu can be the star with SD black glasses swords dance ripping through defensive core while having other mons like rilla to compliment it.

@shrewd condor

nocturne sable Feb 1, 2026, 11:28 PM

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quartz lark Samurott-Hisui @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Sharpness EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 ...

Also the original team wasn’t that bad to be basically removing the entire team. And you barely gave a proper explanation why you scrapped the entire team.

Respectfully please refrain from giving rates if they aren’t going to be that helpful.

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 11:33 PM

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Through my propositions I offered some role compressions and some better choices for a Samu-H centered team.

rapid barn Feb 1, 2026, 11:50 PM

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quartz lark Through my propositions I offered some role compressions and some better choices...

your team has no priority and gets ran over by dragonite and a bunch of other common mons in the tier...

quartz lark Feb 1, 2026, 11:51 PM

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I mean, you can make ace sucker punch offensive

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or pult sucker punch offensive

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we got some natural speed with zama

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you could also do scarf ghold and make pult band prob

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the team should be fine into nite and "common stuff"

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i dont understand where the hostility is coming from

dusk shore Feb 2, 2026, 9:46 AM

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Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Pyro Ball
Gunk Shot
Sucker Punch
High Jump Kick

Lilligant-Hisui @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

Close Combat
Tera Blast
Triple Axel
Solar Blade

Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Close Combat
Ice Spinner

Walking Wake @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Hydro Steam
Flamethrower
Draco Meteor
Flip Turn

Hatterene @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 244 SpA / 12 Spe
Modest Nature

Mystical Fire
Draining Kiss
Nuzzle
Light Screen

Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 68 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

Fire Blast
Clear Smog
Will-O-Wisp
Earthquake

Needed help rounding out this team, would love any feedback

gray karma Feb 2, 2026, 10:46 AM

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dusk shore Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Libero Tera Type: Fire EVs: 252 Atk ...

Put Tera Fire for Wake and Ghost for Tusk or Torkoal, and that Torkoal moveset is it sample moveset ?

dusk shore Feb 2, 2026, 10:47 AM

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nah that torkoal moveset isnt from the sample

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actually wait I dont remember giving it those evs

marble junco Feb 2, 2026, 1:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b615f5a92f9ea450 Is this team any good?

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 2, 2026, 1:20 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

marble junco Feb 2, 2026, 1:20 PM

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@nocturne sable

elfin quail Feb 2, 2026, 3:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0d69372a0d6428a3

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tryna make balance

marble junco Feb 2, 2026, 4:19 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/b615f5a92f9ea450 Is this team any good?

@final relic @north nimbus @tacit bluff @inner terrace @alpine hornet @magic dome @nocturne sable

inner terrace Feb 2, 2026, 5:15 PM

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i'll take a look later

marble junco Feb 2, 2026, 5:17 PM

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ok

inner terrace Feb 2, 2026, 5:44 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/b615f5a92f9ea450 Is this team any good?

no water resist on the team but it looks like fine

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could swap tusk for pon

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then i dont really see how it's any bad

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with pon over tusk

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waterpon that is

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not grasspon

nocturne sable Feb 2, 2026, 6:40 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/b615f5a92f9ea450 Is this team any good?

Btw you didn’t edit any of the Tera types so you gotta fix that

quartz lark Feb 2, 2026, 6:59 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/b615f5a92f9ea450 Is this team any good?

If Woger replaces Tusk:

No Removal
No Ground Immunities

Can remove either Gambit or Lu for Corv.

quartz lark Feb 2, 2026, 7:04 PM

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elfin quail https://pokepast.es/0d69372a0d6428a3

No Fire Resist

Can remove either Meowscarada or Woger for Alomomola

quartz lark Feb 2, 2026, 7:07 PM

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dusk shore Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots Ability: Libero Tera Type: Fire EVs: 252 Atk ...

Make this a pokepaste next time to ping the raters.

dusk shore Feb 2, 2026, 7:08 PM

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quartz lark Make this a pokepaste next time to ping the raters.

cool thanks

nocturne sable Feb 2, 2026, 8:11 PM

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elfin quail https://pokepast.es/0d69372a0d6428a3

Edit Tera types.

If you’re running max hp tusk speed booster is preferred over boots for more speed control.

I think what you can try here is replace Gliscor for moltres here, make woger spikes utility here. Make meow tera ghost and maybe greed and make meow choiced.

https://pokepast.es/81aadd0b5e1953ef something like this

gray karma Feb 2, 2026, 8:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/57948bbeb6ba5ea0

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 2, 2026, 8:24 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

alpine hornet Feb 2, 2026, 10:22 PM

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gray karma https://pokepast.es/57948bbeb6ba5ea0

i think rott could be av here, and im not sure abt dirge on this kind of structure

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id be inclined to say condense kyu and dirge into a specs pult

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then add something to shore up ur mu into opposing fairies

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perhaps a slowking

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https://pokepast.es/c9893d7372d7dc2a maybe something like this?

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i do think structures like this are a little bit easily overwhelmed by ho rn but

quartz lark Feb 2, 2026, 11:40 PM

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gray karma https://pokepast.es/57948bbeb6ba5ea0

After quillo's changes:

No Ground Immunity

Can remove Meowscarada for Tornadus-Therian.

patent pilot Feb 2, 2026, 11:45 PM

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frozen fox i'm just tryna make chomp work without scale shot 😛

Assuming you mean offensive chomp, this is an oxymoron

quartz lark Feb 2, 2026, 11:49 PM

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Offensive chomp is usually this set:

Garchomp @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

Swords Dance
Scale Shot
Earthquake
Fire Fang

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Only other set would be defensive:

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Impish Nature

Earthquake
Dragon Tail
Stealth Rock
Spikes

nocturne sable Feb 2, 2026, 11:58 PM

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patent pilot Assuming you mean offensive chomp, this is an oxymoron

Not really. Outrage chomp is decent as well

patent pilot Feb 2, 2026, 11:59 PM

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If i wanted to use outrage chomp id be choiced

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Band/scarf

nocturne sable Feb 2, 2026, 11:59 PM

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Sd chomp can use outrage.

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 12:05 AM

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I think what they're trying to say is that Outrage is the least used move on Garchomp (8.928%), which only sees use below 1695+.

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1500+*

nocturne sable Feb 3, 2026, 12:15 AM

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??

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Usage stats isn’t really relevant to the convo. He wants to make chomp work without scale shot and I said outrage is also usable

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 12:18 AM

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Outrage + DD is viable, but Scale Shot + DD is more optimal.

patent pilot Feb 3, 2026, 12:57 AM

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quartz lark I think what they're trying to say is that Outrage is the least used move on Gar...

Im saying its mid, i dont care how much people use it

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 1:00 AM

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I understand that Outrage is not as good as Scale Shot for Garchomp, though fwiw, DD already boosts speed.

rapid barn Feb 3, 2026, 1:45 AM

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garchomp doesnt even have dd in sv

queen saddle Feb 3, 2026, 2:34 AM

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this guy doesn’t know why Chomp is UUBL

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Bc no DD lol

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I refuse to believe Chomp would be UUBL in this gen if it got d-dance I’m ngl

elfin quail Feb 3, 2026, 3:04 AM

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quartz lark - No Fire Resist Can remove either Meowscarada or Woger for Alomomola

could i replace meowscarada with dragapult?

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:21 AM

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queen saddle this guy doesn’t know why Chomp is UUBL

Please don’t start.

dusk shore Feb 3, 2026, 4:35 AM

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quartz lark Outrage + DD is viable, but Scale Shot + DD is more optimal.

garchomp got dragon dance?

alpine hornet Feb 3, 2026, 5:45 AM

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quartz lark Outrage + DD is viable, but Scale Shot + DD is more optimal.

garchomp famously does not get dragon dance, please try not to help with tiers you aren’t familiar with

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and yeah dice chomp is the more common offchomp variant but sd lorb outrage is a usable breaker asw

gray karma Feb 3, 2026, 8:54 AM

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quartz lark After quillo's changes: - No Ground Immunity Can remove Meowscarada for Tornad...

ooh okayokay

gray karma Feb 3, 2026, 8:54 AM

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alpine hornet i think rott could be av here, and im not sure abt dirge on this kind of structu...

icic

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 9:08 AM

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SD, DD, same shit different toilet, you get what I was saying.

queen saddle Feb 3, 2026, 11:43 AM

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quartz lark SD, DD, same shit different toilet, you get what I was saying.

💔🙏

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 12:17 PM

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elfin quail could i replace meowscarada with dragapult?

The problem with this is that Dragapult isn’t a reliable fire resist.

Usually you would have a reliable fire resist, which makes for a less reliable fire resist

Take rocks for example. You would want a reliable rocks setter to make way for a less reliable hazard setter for spikes. Like Blissey/Clefable for rocks and then something less reliable for hazard setting like a Clodsire, to use Stall as an example here.

nocturne sable Feb 3, 2026, 1:00 PM

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elfin quail could i replace meowscarada with dragapult?

I think I already gave you a rate on your team.

nocturne sable Feb 3, 2026, 1:00 PM

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nocturne sable Edit Tera types. If you’re running max hp tusk speed booster is preferred over ...

^ @elfin quail

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 1:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5fe223c960c4d5f1

regal ginkgoBOT Feb 3, 2026, 1:18 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 1:18 PM

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@nocturne sable

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 1:21 PM

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marble junco <@614269880312528917>

Please don't ping the raters multiple times in succession; let the bot do its job.

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 1:22 PM

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ok

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sorry

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thanks

queen saddle Feb 3, 2026, 1:26 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/5fe223c960c4d5f1

Can’t examine teams much rn but I’d say

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change Gambit to max hp or run low kick

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on ur team I’d say run max hp

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wait nvm run low kick

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thought I saw a tusk somewhere w zama

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 1:27 PM

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ok

queen saddle Feb 3, 2026, 1:27 PM

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fix ur teras and run rocks too

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you got no stealth rocker

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You alr have a decent Woger check in Pech/Corvi I’d use one slot for Tusk or smth idk

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I gotta get back to science fair

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 1:29 PM

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ok

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 1:55 PM

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marble junco https://pokepast.es/5fe223c960c4d5f1

No Fire Resist

Can remove Gholdengo for Garganacal.

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*Garganacl

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 2:09 PM

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spa?

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 2:12 PM

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?

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 2:13 PM

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It's missing a spa.

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 2:24 PM

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What does that acronym mean?

marble junco Feb 3, 2026, 2:31 PM

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specially attack

queen saddle Feb 3, 2026, 2:35 PM

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marble junco specially attack

Raging Bolt over Gambit?

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Keep Ghold and use Garg over Pech?
Could be wrong tho, just thoughts

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 2:50 PM

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I don’t think Gambit is bad. It gives a solid ghost resist for ghold and pult.

limber spear Feb 3, 2026, 2:55 PM

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don’t they want an electric immunity

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or am i missing smth

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 2:57 PM

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I guess Lu us fine for that

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is*

elfin quail Feb 3, 2026, 3:03 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6b6836de9985b48c

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revised team

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:24 PM

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elfin quail https://pokepast.es/6b6836de9985b48c

Did you see qrash's comments?

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0ae82481eeb0d875

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WIP

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was thinking about using hrott for role compression

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spikes, knock off pivot + av instead of prim

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but prim is a lot bulkier and useful switch in

elfin quail Feb 3, 2026, 3:29 PM

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quartz lark Did you see qrash's comments?

yeah

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:29 PM

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Since you have another bulky fairy in hatt, this role compression is fine.

elfin quail Feb 3, 2026, 3:29 PM

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just wanted new feedback

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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Ladder, post your peak

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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quartz lark Since you have another bulky fairy in hatt, this role compression is fine.

Yeah thats what i thought

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anything else?

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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Mhm hm

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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quartz lark Ladder, post your peak

me?

quartz lark Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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Cookie

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:30 PM

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kk

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:31 PM

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quartz lark Since you have another bulky fairy in hatt, this role compression is fine.

Ill give hrott + a diff tusk set a go

nocturne sable Feb 3, 2026, 3:32 PM

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fallen coyote https://pokepast.es/0ae82481eeb0d875

If you’re running cm hatterene you don’t want pain split you would rather mystical fire to hit gholdengo

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And yea you can definitely use hrott over prim here. Maybe make Hrott AV or torn

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:35 PM

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nocturne sable And yea you can definitely use hrott over prim here. Maybe make Hrott AV or torn

I was thinking AV hrott, but also was thinking hrott could be a scarfer instead

fallen coyote Feb 3, 2026, 3:36 PM

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nocturne sable If you’re running cm hatterene you don’t want pain split you would rather mystic...

Thanks

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