SV OU Rates

[queen saddle]

w iron head

[rapid barn]

you think something like a raging bolt* would work better?

[queen saddle]

but like I need low kick for other gambits

it’s complicated

[queen saddle]

Tusk on TR? how so?

[rapid barn]

oops i mean

raging bolt

mbmb

[queen saddle]

makes more sense

and also not a bad idea

[rapid barn]

cuz usually when i see sunroom, you got something like raging bolt to take advantage

[queen saddle]

benefits from sun

hm

[rapid barn]

yup

[queen saddle]

yeah thats not bad at all

[rapid barn]

eject pack torkoal + raging bolt

[queen saddle]

hm

I’ll have to think abt eject pack

Bc I like how specs is like now

Being able to ohko glowking w tera too

while glowking underspeeds bolt and everything else

might have to check some calcs but not a bad idea again

[rapid barn]

hmm wait

[queen saddle]

I mean to be fair

I should be able to consistently set up tr

I have cress, hatt, and diance too

[rapid barn]

you should, sash hatt should always be able to

[queen saddle]

3 tr setters

Yeah

I should get a min of 2-3 per game

[rapid barn]

tbh diance feels a bit out of place, but idk i dont see it much

[queen saddle]

It puts in solid work really

[rapid barn]

but yeah cress and hatt gets up tr at least once each

[queen saddle]

From what I’ve seen power herb meteor beam is really strong

struggles against stall tbh but lets be honest as well

Luna and Torkoal that is specs

I shouldn’t be worried abt stall much

[rapid barn]

mhm you shouldnt rlly worry

ursaluna could just 6-0 stall lol

[queen saddle]

real

[rapid barn]

never dying with healing wish and lunar dance

non issue

[queen saddle]

Diance gives strong fairy spam tho along with rock coverage

and sets up tr

Which Enam T cannot do

strong fairy spam yes but no tr

although they have really similar coverage

I always use 3 tr setters tho

[rapid barn]

2-3 setters is good

[queen saddle]

Bolt would actually help with rain a lot

so I’ll def think of it at the very least

maybe keep specs Torkoal or a different item like you said eject pack

charcoal could work too

really there’s some good options that frees up space for a specs Bolt

so yeah I do appreciate it

[rapid barn]

👍

[queen saddle]

gives me good ideas to mess around w

add me?

[rapid barn]

sure

[queen saddle]

alr well I gotta hop off for tn but it was good talking to you

be safe man alr?

[rapid barn]

aight, cyaaa!

[queen saddle]

see ya later

[remote relic]

https://pokepast.es/e6e83b1c8b217fde
built my first team, its a hazard stack team and any suggestions or help would be appreciated (im not sure if great tusk is necessary or i should replace it)

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz lark]

Phantom Pirates

https://pokepast.es/45fea20636671987

[limber spear]

u need a ground and a hazards

just throw away tres

for scor if u like want triple flyer

there is also no knock

on a “fat”
or stall

and just go a better corv set

[quartz lark]

feesh im gonna redirect you to the beginning of this team description as well as some concerns addressed through friendly discourse cause your saying stupid stuff rn. one sec dont type

here it is @limber spear

[limber spear]

but a lu with 48 hp and no lefties is weird

252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 126-148 (42 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

like u will get this

so basically u use ditto to knock + electric immune+hazard+speed control+wake counter+defensive use+offense use

[quartz lark]

it does everything

dugtrio couldnt ask for a better successor

[limber spear]

wait how is dugtrio winning a 1v1 vs lu

[quartz lark]

not meant to

just set hazards and leave

scout too

see if its rest lu or regular

[limber spear]

lets assume they go lu on a tres uturn then what do u do?

u click rocks u still take dmg

or they switch in lu on a dugtrio

[quartz lark]

wait

dugtrio is not the mon in question

[limber spear]

wha-

[quartz lark]

its ditto

[limber spear]

😭

u can always guess the lu set tbh

[quartz lark]

well i always go ditto set rocks

maybe spikes if they have it

[limber spear]

so where do u get knock now

and whts tres serving here

[quartz lark]

then every other switch in its phaze if they have it

ditto's taxi cab

baits in lu and whatever tres forces in

[limber spear]

but hv u thought of why ditto is on c- 🤔

[quartz lark]

its 5 pp moves

but i dont have to always attack

i can do stuff like copying a lando's intimidate for lingering effects

or copy pex regenerator to get hp back after taking hazard damage

(assuming theyre up with two defoggers at my disposal)

much like what mega alakazam did in gen 7, except it wasnt scarf locked

[limber spear]

🤔 what if they hv weezing

cuz its the most common stall with pexy

[quartz lark]

transform

[limber spear]

wait wdym

oh right nvm

[quartz lark]

if the ability stops i always use the move transform

np there

[limber spear]

ngas doesnt stop transform

[quartz lark]

damn right

[limber spear]

also isnt 5pp ditto's niche

cuz its inf pp

[quartz lark]

partially correct it gets a set for 5 pp for every mon it copies

so thats a culminated 120 pp

20 pp for 1 mon

[limber spear]

wait then what do u do vs a volt turn team

and their v switcher isnt called treads

cuz u dont hv hazards to pressure or a ground to play around or a helemt

and whats bu corv for

[quartz lark]

bolt and dos are the issues

mainly zapdos since it doesnt resist electric moves

bolt is fine however

u turn corv is not needed so i will be less passive here and go bulk up

it performs a similar role to dozo's function as an endgame closer

[limber spear]

but it isnt wall breaking

[quartz lark]

endgame closing

not midgame breaking

when everything is too battered to move

[limber spear]

when everything is movable 🥀

cant u just go lu> tres

and it solves most issues

like rest ruin eq rocks

and go grass oger for knock and phazing with encore

and tera water blissey

[quartz lark]

ill stop encouraging your banter from this point

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/5394e51d761fa0c9

[limber spear]

2 ou mon 🥀 https://pokepast.es/cb543b62f86afe68

[remote relic]

https://pokepast.es/e6e83b1c8b217fde
thoughts on my first ever team build?

[queen saddle]

Astolfo is a rage baiter ignore it

[rapid barn]

its not terrible, but you dont rlly have anything in the way of special attackers

say something like ting lu would be really nice

[quartz lark]

Redemption Army

https://pokepast.es/c95daf872beaa5e1

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

What the other Nick said, try AV Samu for example.

[rapid barn]

good idea

[chilly tundra]

This is actually decent, all I’d say is replace Latias with CM Bolt

[viral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/6930a8d352d0dae2

any input? i keep trying this raging bolt oger* moth specs core but i always feel like somethings lacking

ive tried lando-t, bulky ghold, scarf ghold, tusk etc

maybe specs pult instead of band and put in a secondary spinner? idk, im kinda lost

not sure if ill be able to give up on specs moth, but im open to suggestions on everything else

[rapid barn]

hmmm I think you'd want more pivots

like drop body press on corv and add u-turn

dont want encore on cornerstone, you'll want another coverage

if you want to build around spec moth, you need a lot of good pivots to get it in

[viral ruin]

i dropped knock off for encore to make zam/dnite matchup easier

maybe keep encore and go back to encore + 3 attacks, whip play rough or something?

or u-turn

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/c81b039f06192ff4

im thinking something more like this

as of now your walking wake mu is pretty terrible too

you want a lot of good pivots to be able to get your specs moth in safely and drop a strong overheat or sludge wave

[viral ruin]

looks good

ive used energy ball tera grass for garg + tusk matchup on moth, i guess scarf dengo and ogerw can be good enough checks for those?

[rapid barn]

Great tusk you ohko easily with overheat

Garganacl is a small issue, but the other mons on your team should be able to handle it

After Tera it’ll do like 50%

[viral ruin]

thanks, ill try your suggestions

[chilly tundra]

Y’all, is specs IVAL good?

[rapid barn]

It’s good

[chilly tundra]

It’s good on balance/Bulky Offense I believe

I wanna try and run it

[rapid barn]

yeah this is a non issue
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Iron Moth Overheat over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 204+ SpD Garganacl: 271-320 (67 - 79.2%) -- not a KO

better to just tera fire to throw off powerful overheats, after a little bit of chip garg can be muscled through

[viral ruin]

trying your team now, and lead pult is kind of an issue

depending on set i can get chunked pretty hard

[rapid barn]

Corv is alright for scouting the set, and you could always outspeed and threaten the pult with ghold

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/c2d1e52914bd3106

This good?

[rapid barn]

think wellspring would be a super terrible mu

maybe knock on tusk would be nice

otherwise looks aight

[chilly tundra]

Knock on tusk is old news

You need spinner

Idk how to improve wellspring MU though

[rapid barn]

I’d like another knock off user, though

[blissful nebula]

You can also go brave bird instead of roar on moltres so you can Tera and snipe it

Or hurricane

There’s a specific spread for mixed attacking moltres

[raw berry]

https://pokepast.es/15bdf8bc707e110c

[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/f3ec3515592e0381 should i drop prim for crown

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

I think maybe you add heatran to this team for a proper freeze dry+fairy resist as I think this team needs a steel type. Heatran can be rocks to allow tusk to run 3 attacks with close combat.

I don’t think enam benefits much from here. I think dragonite would be a decent replacement as it helps you with woger here. It could be a dragon dance Tera blast set here.

Lastly since we are replacing your scarfer in enam I would replace zamazenta with scarf darkrai here. Darkrai would give you a meaningful ghost resist into stuff like Ghold & Ceruledge+counterplay to late game cleaners like dragonite & kingambit with trick.

https://pokepast.es/36450f3088403ee9

[atomic mango]

thanks

i had np pecha before should i use pivot instead

[nocturne sable]

Pivot is fine here since you have offensive heatran+I think that defensive backbone is really useful into zama & tusk for example

[atomic mango]

ok

[nocturne sable]

If you find dnite to be a Tera hog with Tera blast you can switch to like Tera ground Dd with Eq & ice spinner

@atomic mango

[atomic mango]

alright ill test and see how it goes

[golden reef]

idk if I'm the problem or my team https://pokepast.es/91602eaa57a9eb8a

I've been stuck

1100 💔

can't hit 1200 😭

[quartz lark]

SS PHANTOM PIRATES

https://pokepast.es/c4c9a2bba4e95128

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[desert pike]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/cloyalty-and-dishonestea-double-shell-smash-veil-peaked-at-18-1970-elo.3766937/

Is this team good in current meta? What can be improved?

[limber spear]

ok so here is only for self made teams so better to post it at other places (also @placid yarrow look what u hv done , stop corrupting ppl)

[desert pike]

Oh okay sorry, so which channel should i use for this moment?

Comp general?

[limber spear]

uh both comp gen works

or ou cord

[desert pike]

What ou cord means?

[limber spear]

ou's own discord

[desert pike]

Where can I access it?

[limber spear]

uh dm

[desert pike]

Ayoo so the ppl made teams here

Okay thx appreciated

[limber spear]

oh wait

[golden reef]

anything 💔

[limber spear]

go tera dark gambi +booster speed crown with psyshock+sd>cc on ival+make krai like +replace indeedee with a lead like deox (prolly screens but i think hazard also works)

krai sounds replacable

so just get smth that wins against the thing u found hard to break

[golden reef]

with who tho

[limber spear]

a lot of things work here

[golden reef]

also indeedee I use her because of psychic surge

and her expanding force does huge dmg

if she dies I send in crown

[limber spear]

if u use deedee u need to commit to psyspam

which is a uhh archetype

[rapid barn]

theres a simple solution to this

[limber spear]

try np pech?

[rapid barn]

swap indeedee to deoxys speed

[golden reef]

yewh but

psychic surge 😭

[limber spear]

if u want psyspam

[rapid barn]

rn it looks more like an ho team than anything 😭

[limber spear]

then deedee crown tea treads and smth else

hawlucha and smth else

[golden reef]

I've been using hyper offense only tbh 😭

[limber spear]

maybe hatt or dengo w seed works

[golden reef]

can you try and make it for me 💔 genuinely I'm lost here

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/420bf72a57aee942

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid barn]

now something like this would make more sense

why did it ping 😭

[golden reef]

oo I actually like this it looks good

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/155b32129abc3787

never tried psy spam so

[golden reef]

look I've been maining this team also my friend gave me https://pokepast.es/78103e54a4394ffc

[limber spear]

disclaimer ig

[golden reef]

it's alr

😭

[rapid barn]

idk about that

I think you'd want to scarf the indeedee and use stuff like expanding armorouge and hoopa-u or whatever

[limber spear]

oh forgot those r mons

[golden reef]

I have a team like that

[golden reef]

friend of mine gave it https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

wrong thing

[golden reef]

https://pokepast.es/3e333dcb5cc61e24

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/5191ed5af103a07c

[rapid barn]

looks good

pretty close to some of the more standard ho teams

[limber spear]

uh at least go crunch on zama n max def instead of hp

or go the 88 def spread

crunch is mandatory on zama

for ghosts

[rapid barn]

tbh its fine, but crunch is nice yeah

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 252 Def / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Crunch
• Roar

though I always put 1 extra speed on zama to win the mirror

max speed is fine too for that

[golden reef]

I do use the team bro

but I don't understand

armarouge at all

[limber spear]

cuz its a gimmick set/mon in the first place

[rapid barn]

the other thing is, trailblaze would be super nice on wellspring

[limber spear]

just go ceru icl

[rapid barn]

ye the sample is just that but with ceruledge lol

[limber spear]

stall mu sounds rough if u go blaze

i mean its like a better choice if u go ceru

[golden reef]

replace with oger?

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/da023ded649fbc23

this is the sample

your friend basically just changed out 1 mon xd

[golden reef]

fuh 💔

[golden reef]

I think I'll try this

[golden reef]

or this

but that's all

[rapid barn]

it should work, but the armarouge set is really wierd

[golden reef]

I won't use the arma 😭

[rapid barn]

id prolly make some minor tweaks to the sets too

like no reason to make the gimm tera flying ngl

[quartz lark]

SS PHANTOM PIRATES

https://pokepast.es/9b287ae265dfe5d3

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

feel like on a team like this you would be better off running subtect dd spear

with lefties

[final relic]

i agree

[dark slate]

Can soemone help me about my team ? : https://pokepast.es/8b251d2b3b67e5af

This team is About Cosmic power, Charge beam Clefable

where every pokemon here are for hepling Clefable

Anyway this team have some problem

Its about special pokemon, LIKE ting lu, Blissey or Glowking

If you put ting lu, You are weak to Fairy, Grass, Water .. Special pokemon, nd it have only Earthquake as capacity so it can't do nothing against Flying pokemon

Blissey is really weak to volt switch and can be annoying

And Glowking can't put steath rock and weak to dark and ghost move

[nocturne sable]

Ngl just use the regular sets because these sets are just not good.

I’m not against cosmic power
Clefable in general but on structures like these clef prefers magic guard for being a knock absorber & hazard immunity

The 6 Pokémon here are pretty standard(outside of corv that should probably be a skarmory) but these sets are not it

[quartz lark]

Mhm hm. What I like about this team is it's transformative, pun not intended, as it can either be a semi-stall team, preferably copying ting lu for raging bolt or a bulky balance on some opposing offensive piece.

[dark slate]

i put the Corvi cause it have pressure, and handle small special attacker

[inner terrace]

i dont hate cosmic clef

but id change the ting set

rest talk rocks is really bad

put ruin on there

or heavy slam

one of those

[dark slate]

I just need a pokemon that handle spaecial attack and a steath rock pokemon

[dark slate]

I'll change the rest and talk for roar and ruin

But steath is important cause only Ogerpon have spike

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/6c50a04ac955a93b maybe something like this. Can probably be 2 knockers but pon is a pretty decent knocker all around

[inner terrace]

keep rocks

i was rlly talking about sleep talk

rest talk isnt that good imo and if it is good you dont run hazards, but you want em

[dark slate]

I like , but i want the clefable to be cosmic, cause i can hande easily Ceruledge

and break the object especialy

[nocturne sable]

Yea fair enough

[inner terrace]

cosmic doesnt rlly handle ceru well

but you have ting and zama

[dark slate]

ill test the team of QuaQrash

[nocturne sable]

Yea Tera dark zama should be fine vs ceru if you don’t give it a weak armor boost prior

Although you’re kinda cooked if you run into Tera blast fairy sweepers but then you have your own Tera +2 phaser to halt the sweep

Maybe change to Tera poison ting Lu now thinking about it

[frail sun]

https://pokepast.es/ad46f0550366dd0a

i know its not that good but

[young gust]

https://pokepast.es/822818b8248cb861 anything i should change on this team

[celest willow]

https://pokepast.es/a8c2db5d9d1f1f14

[nocturne sable]

This looks pretty standard. You can maybe greed only weavile and torn as knocker and run flip turn hamu>knock off

Me personally I think double helmet is kinda greedy I would personally go boots tusk here for more reliable hazard cleaning.

I think Tera ghost physdef pecharunt would be more optimal here to improve tusk MU. Maybe tweak heatran set so something that can fish for burns like lava plume or will o wisp. I think since you have hamu for a fire resist flame body heatran is also doable but it’s up to you on this.

[nocturne sable]

I don’t like that dnite+kyurem on the same team on a structure like this. You’re overlapping 2 hazard weak dragon with similar weaknesses on the same team.

You’re also missing out on utility like a stealth rock setter & a proper ground type but I guess court change+magic bounce can technically set hazards for you?

Me personally I would drop kyurem here for ting Lu, change dnite set to be a Tera blast fairy set with roost eq Dd Tera blast as its move set. You can use lefties dnite here since your removal is pretty decent.

You can also make zama Tera electric here or substitute for a better MU into Zapdos

[nocturne sable]

I can see the idea but I don’t think you have the tools down yet.

Atales would prefer light clay for long veil turns. Glimm & gholdengo are fine here although I would make gholdengo shadow ball over dazzling gleam here imo. Allows you to hit opposing gholdengo.

The problem with this team though is the other half. Defensive defog boots hawlucha is kinda anti synergy here since the point of veil is to set up screens so that your set up sweepers have an easier time setting up. This hawlucha set accomplishes nothing. Greninja and iron boulder are also just mediocre mons in general and are generally outclassed by other mons here.

I would add iron defence zamazenta and sd Trailblaze Ogerpon in place of hawlucha & Greninja. You can also add Galatian moltres in place of iron boulder

[young gust]

Alr thanks and what’s the exact spread for pechu like 252 def and like where do I put Rest

[digital sonnet]

228 def 252 hp

Rest in speed to outspeed jolly gambit

[young gust]

Alr thx

[frail sun]

alr thanks

[runic current]

I want to get top 100 with an ogerpon terrain team. Can someone check these teams over and lmk which to use. https://pokepast.es/98091578361c84c6 , https://pokepast.es/23ad0dff546ffd53 , https://pokepast.es/e10dcf8adf5db4be

[charred pumice]

https://pokepast.es/4382b35d54ad21e4 hamu and matcha aren't working put for me

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

you’re using hazard stack with defog

why.

hamu and sinsitcha looks like the only parts of the team I’d use

You want hazard removal using Tusk because Treads does nothing compared to Tusk in these types of teams

and you want pokemon that benefit from spikes chip

You could make it BO stack or HO stack

[charred pumice]

@nocturne sable made the team for me

[charred pumice]

It's good for resetting rocks incase I can't spin

I would not like to use stack altogether I just need banded cinderace and scarf gapdos to work

[limber spear]

i think the h stack route was just an “accident”

they prolly needed their role compression

[queen saddle]

I usually use band Cinderace on sun, tbh.

And scarf Gap has its niches, just not used too often since there are other fighters to use like Tusk and whatnot, in fact scarf Tusk is used a few times.

[queen saddle]

But yeah, you could def say that for sure.

You could try out pivot mons instead, because this seems like it wants to be a BO if I’m not wrong.

It’s built around cinderace and gapdos, so you want to give them opportunites to come in, so you could try a bird + glowking core

Alolo glowking too

Alolo makes you weak to Woger, though, so be careful

Not to mention, Cinderace and Gapdos hit similar targets

both use fighting moves, pivot moves, etc

so there are likely walls you can’t break past, Alolo is an example

even if you do, it’s not easy and they get to use mons vs you like Iron Val and whatnot, which sure G-weezing is a good answer into it but you get where I’m going.

[limber spear]

they wanted to use like scarf zap and cb ace together iirc

[queen saddle]

Enam looks good vs your team too, esp choiced

[queen saddle]

Yeah they do but they hit too similar targets

they need bulky pivots but also they need another breaker

[limber spear]

prolly weez can be pech

[queen saddle]

Ones that check the ones that those two don’t

[limber spear]

but then u r like defensive treads

[queen saddle]

yeah

honestly I’d use smb else other than those 2 choiced users

Bc yes Cinderace can be a breaker

but it’s usually liked on sun

pyro ball is a nuke not even Dozo wants to switch into often without healing

And there are better scarfers than Gapdos

[charred pumice]

Banded pyro is only countered by hard checks like alo

Which get 2hkoed by hjk

[nocturne sable]

What’s the specific problem with this team?

[nocturne sable]

Alo is not even a hard check btw it gets 2hkoed after rocks are up

[queen saddle]

You might want to use gunk shot vs alo over hjk

bc uh

most run protect

and have a ghost type

[nocturne sable]

Gunk shot also 2hkos so it’s fine ye

[charred pumice]

It might be a skill issue on my part

But hamu is useless outside spikes in matchups to me

And the team lacks defensive mons to scout

I don't think hazard stack is working out

For me atleast

[nocturne sable]

Hamu here should help with the dark type & ghost Matchup+iron moth here

[charred pumice]

Yea but ceaseless keeps messing everytime I use it

I kid you not

[nocturne sable]

Unfortunate, not much you can do about bad rng other than trying to reposition yourself in the match.

[charred pumice]

I know but it's happening every match now

Like I'm hitting Pyro ball more than ceaseless

[nocturne sable]

That’s rough man but like misses are out of your control, so it’s not something I would associate with skill issue

@charred pumice but what mons are you struggling to scout specifically

[charred pumice]

Raging bolt

And some balance offense teams

[nocturne sable]

Oh?

Ermm I mean iron treads is like the premier raging bolt counter usually

[charred pumice]

Yea I was gonna add they usually are able to check treads with corv too

And moltress

I think it's because this is my first time using hazard stack

[nocturne sable]

You knock off the birds on the switch to cripple them

[charred pumice]

I'll try to adapt but yeah

[nocturne sable]

Moltres knocked off and it can’t switch into rocks anymore

And you have hamu to force it out

[queen saddle]

I used to use wide lens H-Samu lmfao

Unfort you can’t do that bc ur av

but if you wanna use Samu in the future you could always try wide lens

although this only applies w the sd set for me

wide lens over black glasses

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/eb1030abde61bf50

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/a1fd8985217044b2
Second time coming here with this team but gliscor kind of 6-0s this
How can I fix that

[charred pumice]

Prolly swap to woger

That may work

[frosty plinth]

Yea I was gonna do that

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/c49456bbe7c4da6b

Trying something like this

[queen saddle]

You could try max hp ttar over speed

[nocturne sable]

What are you struggling with specifically

[frosty plinth]

It's to get gambit

My team loses to it besides val

[nocturne sable]

Woger set feels kinda awkward here I would probably make this SD cornerstone instead and make exca sub maybe. Other than that team seems fine

[frosty plinth]

Yea I went sub drill

And I'm thinking woger > corner here
Ehh
Actually it is sand

[gritty lake]

Doesn't feel ho enough

[nocturne sable]

Power wise or is the team just way too slow place for your liking?

[gritty lake]

The pace yea

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/df77557de517c303

Something like this?

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[nocturne sable]

Noo just make exca sub 3 attacks and make cornerstone sd

[frosty plinth]

Wait I messed up with drill

Oops

[nocturne sable]

Maybe Trailblaze can work for offense MU

[frosty plinth]

That was js a misclick, I replaced the wrong move

[quartz lark]

SABERTOOTH
https://pokepast.es/041e17e9129828ef

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/d1fbdb527cea59d0 something like this kinda? Iron Val & darkrai are more immediately than like a goltres for example. I think spatk booster Val with psyshock can also work ig

[gritty lake]

4 special attackers?

[nocturne sable]

Darkrai was originally going to be kingambit but I thought maybe go for something a bit faster.

Stacking special attackers+chomp to overwhelm spdef cores isn’t that bad of an idea though

[queen saddle]

6’0ed by specs Kyurem with rocks up

NP Ghold too with specs Kyurem

SD Woger gives you a run for your money too

[nocturne sable]

Solo body press is odd if you’re running body press it should with be iron defense/bulk up otherwise just run brave bird corv.

Also I really dislike the lack of spikes on structures like these. You can easily make one of 3 mons here spikes/stealth rock.

[queen saddle]

there’s also like

no breakers here

[quartz lark]

Body press is for kyurem.

[queen saddle]

no rocks no breakers besides maybe sd gliscor

also half your mons dont give
a shit abt hazards

boots or flying type or magic guard

you could easily use idef bodypress

[nocturne sable]

You kinda need spikes on structures like these for a source of breaking power/wincon. without it you’re just not really utilizing the mons optimally to their supposed roles

[quartz lark]

I could go spikes on Gliscor but ultimately didnt need it.

[nocturne sable]

It’s either Gliscor or clefable being moved to a more utility role with hazards+knock and making ting Lu spike.

[quartz lark]

Mhm hm tried that before but was too cluttered.

[nocturne sable]

Like wdym?

[quartz lark]

I didnt need that much support so I just went less passive for stuff like Ghold or a like a Samu cedging my clef and I cant remove.

[nocturne sable]

I’m not against the cm clef here it’s actually pretty good but I still think spikes would be appreciated here.

Make ting Lu spikes>rocks

Then make Gliscor stealth rocks earthquake knock off protect(you can run some speed to outspeed raging bolt or gholdengo)

Then make corviknight iron defense body press here.

[quartz lark]

If corv is going id ill forego knock off on scor for u-turn

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think U-turn is that necessary. Knock off provides more utility.

You have a decent defensive core I don’t think it’s hard to pivot into moves

[quartz lark]

Its cause I have a weavile

[nocturne sable]

You can literally force stuff out and double weavile in

[quartz lark]

True

[nocturne sable]

With boots+proper knock absorber weavile wont have that much of a problem switching in

[quartz lark]

mhm i just come in on psy noise or fsight prob

bait a switch with pult uturn into vile

[nocturne sable]

Yup

[runic current]

Nobody told me what to edit on my teams. But i think theyre near perfect ✌️

[rapid barn]

what is it?

[runic current]

https://pokepast.es/98091578361c84c6 , https://pokepast.es/23ad0dff546ffd53 , https://pokepast.es/e10dcf8adf5db4be

Its 3 teams mb but all centered around oger

the most amazing pokemon on earth 🙏

[rapid barn]

did you just post the same team twice

[runic current]

Uh idk i have 3 teams but i probably did

But i changed the hawlucha set to the 72 hp 60 SpDf

[runic current]

https://pokepast.es/07ab3272e65e6a67

Thats the other team sorry

[queen saddle]

Bolt could be cm over AV

you have no sweeper

nvm np pech

still

[rapid barn]

yeah um tbh I dont love the nasty plot pech

I mean like the teams looks like pretty standard grassy terrain teams

[runic current]

Well honestly i js like terrain because i usually main gen 7 ou or doubles ou

I just use what im familiar with

[runic current]

Alr. I also was going to use trailblaze over low kick but struggled with steel types, specifically gambit and tera steel zama

[rapid barn]

on the cornerstone team the pech would prolly work better as a defensive pivot

[rapid barn]

stomping tantrum

[runic current]

Any specific evs? And what moves

[rapid barn]

then you can also hit ghold

[runic current]

Oh wait it does get that

[rapid barn]

invest fully into bulk basically

[runic current]

Enough speed to outspeed gambit? Or do i have that covered

[rapid barn]

I mean like, you do have great tusk on the team for gambit and pech for zama so its not that big of an issue but ye

[rapid barn]

it'll naturally outspeed adamant gambit

[runic current]

Alr. The team i had the most success with is the Regular ogerpon team with hawlucha.

All of them are good tho but consistently ive had the best with base oger

[rapid barn]

its basically that pinkacross team but with base version over cornerstone and some ev and move swaps

[runic current]

Probably why it does so good

welp ill try to get top 100 and ill lyk if it works. Ty!

[rapid barn]

👍

[little pilot]

https://pokepast.es/e73b3cc85ddbd5b8

Getting into sv singles and trying to make a somewhat unique team that doesn't use pkmn that are found in every team

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Wrong channel for doubles first of all

[little pilot]

Didn't know there was a doubles channel mb

[nocturne sable]

Btw this team is almost completely unviable in SV OU. I understand trying to be unique but slapping shitmons for the sake of being unique isn’t the play.

You can checkout RMTs on smogon there have been multiple cases of unique Pokemon being showcased in OU, but you have to build a clear strategy around it. https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/sv-ou-teams.748/

[little pilot]

Yh I'm trying to build one around meloetta

I feel like it could actually be good

[nocturne sable]

I have seen some hazard stack teams that included AV Melolette with knock off so there’s that

[rapid barn]

theres that jirachi meloetta team too I think

[little pilot]

I want to try making an offensive one

Like a scarfed meloetta

[rapid barn]

best to just go the support route with knock

[little pilot]

Scarf, relic song, u-turn, trick, knock off

[rapid barn]

i think the default set is like, relic song u-turn knock close combat

[little pilot]

I finished that sun team btw

[little pilot]

I kinda like that

[nocturne sable]

Can you send that team rq

[rapid barn]

yeah lemme try to find it

it was something wierd like doom desire wishing pass u-turn jirachi with meloetta and sub tect kyurem

cant find it 😭

ill let you know if I find it

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/7d51c9973b7b9ca0

Im having troubles with hazards

[little pilot]

Why alolan ninetails

[paper chasm]

replace garg with like hat

[flat jackal]

Im building a screen team

[little pilot]

Yh

[flat jackal]

Thinking abt it i might swap atales for deoxys s

[little pilot]

If your doing screen might aswell do deoxys d

[flat jackal]

Okei

[snow vale]

https://pokepast.es/0fd9727716f4b328}
idk about the tusk set but is there anything else that can be improved?

[regal ginkgo]

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[patent pilot]

Doesnt work

[empty minnow]

the link isnt working

[patent pilot]

https://pokepast.es/60ae1c4df0797147 i got my own team to paste anyways

[snow vale]

https://pokepast.es/28d5ca6297dc2c76

oops mb

[empty minnow]

lol i played this team like yesterday

were you on the ladder with it yesterday

[patent pilot]

No

[empty minnow]

damn i swear it was the same team

[charred pumice]

Is there a way I can use gapdos and band ace without hazard stack

[queen saddle]

gulp.

[queen saddle]

this BO sand looks kinda heat

[queen saddle]

seems like your avg bulky offense, r u struggling w anything?

Toxic can be changed to t-wave ofc

Otherwise you completely blank into steels

and using knock on Tusk makes you useless into Gliscor

ur not hazard stack, only rocks, so while mons can use knock and it’d help

I wouldnt say its good on Tusk

esp since freeze dry Kyurem runs your pockets

[nocturne sable]

Yea woger doesn’t look pleasant into this team you might want to experiment with physical defensive slowking with like Tera grass or sum

[nocturne sable]

So what’s the update with the team exactly

Still struggling with the same stuff?

[queen saddle]

every sand team I’ve made struggles into Woger

at least this guy has max def corvi for it

and banded Zama

[nocturne sable]

That’s not the same team I’m talking about.

[queen saddle]

oh mb

u arent wrong tho

t-wave ghold does at least slow it down

[quartz lark]

Sabertooth
https://pokepast.es/c7fc006247b7204e

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

kyurem

[quartz lark]

https://tenor.com/view/kraid-samus-metroid-metroid-dread-lion-gif-3665180798431418891

[queen saddle]

wait

why is your pult willowisp

[nocturne sable]

So what changed from yesterday

Why do I see a banded will o wisp pult

[quartz lark]

slight adjustments

[queen saddle]

also wait wait wait

absolute hazard stack

but defog core

it’s good hazard stack but get rid of the corvi

pech could help the team spin block

beat Zama and Woger

Namely Woger

[limber spear]

tbf if u r fat enough

double hazard with defog is fine

(provided that u can get the long term game going but they can’t here yeah)

https://pokepast.es/bc433ada8538b28c i got a lot of advise from
others but still don’t know what to do (it was like make torn boots av mola tank out tusk for smth else )

double ground is wacky and things like cha and mola hv similar roles + going helmet tusk without t spike absorb is tough but i think i need that chip

(for evs tink is 303 cuz lando is fine for chomp its cuz i need a better “stall mu” and corv is annoying to deal with here so first blast 2 hits with rocks (70%) and speed for gambit )

prolly if the whole team needs to die then i wanna keep tinka sinist chomp

[charred pumice]

Yea hazard stack is not for me

I have no special switchins to mons and i get destroyed by rain

[limber spear]

barbs will be transfered if they make contact

[empty minnow]

oh yeah dang i forgot about that

[queen saddle]

Your hazard removal gets chipped down fast

without boots

From what I’ve learned Boots tusk is always the best

Rocky helmet is good

But my personal experience, I’ve always had boots Tusk continuously switching in and out of battle

and for your Tornt, you need that

same with alolo too

I also think Pech is a lot stronger to use

Even Ghold bc Kyurem beats your ASS down bad but you also want a t spike absorber

Tusk also beats you down

tbh this team isnt bad

but it struggles with meta mons

Ting Lu also walls you

Overall I’d say you’d have to rebuild this team with those threats in mind

[little pilot]

https://pokepast.es/79302e49f568d0b0

Bellibolt moltres

[keen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/465042d46b62fe10

can you help me with this team

[faint vortex]

On first look, the lack of grassy terrain abusers is glaring

maybe look into swapping gambit for hawlucha

also could be me, but I prefer having ice beam to surf

you will hit mons like dnite, gliscor and lando much better as a whole

[queen saddle]

Their team looks more like grassy terrain as an addition

not abusing it

I think raging bolt > gambit instead

and shadow ball or phantom force over willowisp

[faint vortex]

Right. IMO I usually ran gt with at least an abuser or two (hawlucha, bolt, serp, etc.)

oh lo zama is dang good as well

[keen saddle]

i see

i have been getting walled by sun teams like the tusk wake bolt saur tales sample one and physical tanks like garganacl feel too tough to kill

iron valiant has been sweeping the team a lot

could be a skill issue on my side but 1. Garchomp 2. Ogerpon-Wellspring 3. Iron Valiant 4. Pecharunt 5. Great Tusk 6. Kingambit beat me 5 times in a row where only first two went down to final 2 pokemons

[round portal]

i feel like tera fire zama is really scary for this team

if glowking getts chipped za goes crazy

[keen saddle]

this team has been swept by a zama with crunch as well

[round portal]

roar over wisp on molt would prob be more than enough tho

[alpine furnace]

How is this kyurem balance team?

https://pokepast.es/85f37e573d7b4273

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[queen saddle]

Agreed

[queen saddle]

Water glowking can help with the matchup

Chomp gets revenged by Rilla after scaleshot

and cant do much w eq

u-turn over airslash on Molt helps with your woger matchup

tera grass too

Molt and glowking beat Val but they gotta get knocked

if you keep gambit Pech can be decently answered thru it

defiant gambit lmfao

Tusk walled by Molt and Gambit keep tusk healthy

[limber crystal]

https://pokepast.es/808bf201eab7c1ff

[little pilot]

Glorius

[patent pilot]

Hstack can be kind of annoying tbh

[queen saddle]

Hmmm

What kind of stack? In general, HO, BO, stall?

[queen saddle]

where is your extra 4 evs

also Kyurem counters a lot of your team

holy why is kyurem so strong in the OU tier

but yeah specs or d-dance make you struggle

sub not as much but threat is there

I don’t see too much breaking your team tho besides Kyurem

It’s solid

anything you struggle w?

other than the obvious kyurem or freeze dry spam

[patent pilot]

Ghold

[queen saddle]

Thought so

Well a gameplan if they don’t have Woger

go Alolo on the Ghold

Flip

and Tusk

[patent pilot]

Doesnt crown do well into most kyurem sets?

[queen saddle]

click rush

boom

[queen saddle]

Yeah but wyd if it calls the switch

[patent pilot]

You are looking at the wrong team

[queen saddle]

or you dont switch and it clicks ice beam

and what if Kyurem is chipped

[queen saddle]

mb

Oh vs Ghold it’s gg’s lmao

not a singular answer to it

You need at least a switch in into it

Perhaps smth over the Croan

Crown

[patent pilot]

I was considering tera dark on crown

Gives me a secondary ghost resist for pult and ghold

[queen saddle]

True

But really I think you might need smth else

[patent pilot]

Well future sight is kinda part of the breaking core

[queen saddle]

You can keep Kyurem under check with a healthy t-tar

[queen saddle]

fair

but there has to be yk

smth to counter ghold

you blank into it or try to find something to pivot around

Crown can’t heal either

Hell there isn’t even a revenger here I think

Unless it’s chipped

and Zama can kill it

yeah Ghold matchup is awful

[patent pilot]

What about mandibuzz over corv

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/60ae1c4df0797147 i got my own team to paste anyways
pasting so I dont gotta keep scrolling

mandi is actually

solid here tbh

mixed bulk to beat all Woger and Pult and Ghold

[patent pilot]

I already have a knock absorber with gliscor, so im fine running mandi tbh

[patent pilot]

Doesnt need to beat woger

Hydrapple can already do that

[queen saddle]

True

[patent pilot]

Can even take a play rough

[queen saddle]

fairy spam does get a little rough

[patent pilot]

I THINK after an sd too?

[queen saddle]

but if crown stays healthy

Then you should be fine (?)

consider poison/steel drapple

poison for t spike absorber

steel for fairy resistance

and draco

[patent pilot]

I will say going spdef mandi leaves me without a physical wall

Could prob go ting-lu over ttar but like

Nahh

[queen saddle]

lu would make you weaker to kyurem

Keeping t-tar healthy gives you an answer

[frosty plinth]

https://pokepast.es/f223e1db0d802c10

[patent pilot]

And sun

[queen saddle]

Yeah

[queen saddle]

not bad boots and hazards soam

spam

[patent pilot]

Why ice hammer over twave

[queen saddle]

consider another rocker tho bc I’ve found Tinka to be

kinda fraudulent

[patent pilot]

Wtf am i talking about i have hydrapple

[queen saddle]

and it’s my fav mon

[frosty plinth]

slamming corvi

[patent pilot]

Tinka is actually kinda fine

[frosty plinth]

Yea its decent
also what would you say to use over tton?

[queen saddle]

I’m not too sure, also ice hammer does nothing into corvi

t-wave at least cripples the bird in a way

[frosty plinth]

i like having 2a

cos it makes tinkaton far less useless after it clicks gton onc

e

[patent pilot]

You shouldnt be clicking gigaton a ton anyways tbf

[queen saddle]

tusk also beats this team if Sinistcha is chipped or gets knocked and switches into rocks

[queen saddle]

Agreed

I use knock t wave gigaton and encore

[patent pilot]

I would say the biggest fraud here is actually wake

[frosty plinth]

i have wake
and gliscor should be max speed i forgot to edit that

[patent pilot]

Wake just aint allat outside of sun

[queen saddle]

Wake doesn’t switch into tusk tho

Not consistently

But do tell me what you struggle with

Your team isn’t very Kyurem weak which is the first thing I look for

It has a chance here and there to break or maybe sweep

but ehhh

play smart and ur fine

[frosty plinth]

I feel like it might js be that im tired af rn but bolt is sort of a problem

[queen saddle]

Lu should make Bolt a mainly non-issue

[frosty plinth]

Lu gets chipped and its kind of an easy win from there

[queen saddle]

Yeah but a lot of Bolts run booster

you can whirlwind

and hazard stack

[frosty plinth]

True

[queen saddle]

tera fairy if it’s that bad tho

[frosty plinth]

Its prob that im tired then lmao

[patent pilot]

How?

The kyu matchup doesnt look good at all to me

[frosty plinth]

i messed up on the paste, glisc should be max speed

that + tera normal, + za + tinkaton + wake (who ohkoes kyu with draco) should be okay

[queen saddle]

Tinkaton can encore lock if it’s d-dance or sub and twave too

gigaton

Zama can revenge or be a clean end gamer

tera normal Glis should be somid

solid

[frosty plinth]

yep

most of my old teams are super kyu weak

ive noticed

[queen saddle]

Wake can ko it but really idk how I feel abt wake

[frosty plinth]

its js there so kyu cant get a free sub or anything

in that list

its obv not a check

[queen saddle]

I’d really reconsider wake

[frosty plinth]

its a fast knocker that can hold boots and pivot
i like it here

i might switch it if it doesnt work

[queen saddle]

it looks relatively solid but also I could be wrong

I’d test it

[frosty plinth]

Yea will 100%

[limber spear]

tbh boots on tusk is prolly doable tho at cuz i have mola i thought i can just not use boots and wish pass it and cuz torn is my ghost resist i need av for it to work and if i go pech i dont have a wincon and the intention for cha was just to kinda counter hatt elephants (so i can always go sinist to tusk ) for kyurem i have like a tinka that has mola to wish pass and a torn to
play with specs mind games and for tusk 😭 😭 😭 there is sinist and mola

[quartz lark]

Talk your shit feesh .

[rapid barn]

@limber spear I wouldnt recommend running them without boots with only great tusk as the sole removal

your team is pretty weak to hazards and, say, you run into a pech you lose cuz you just cant spin

imo with teams like these you need at least 2 decent hazard removal

since you are already running mola, why not consider weezing galar? it provides reliable removal and could spread status, and mola pairs well with it to heal it up

[digital sonnet]

https://pokepast.es/dff17604f1b97769

[inner terrace]

kix mola ghold tusk is a good start, i think you can change rockpon since rockpon is more of an offense mon than a bo/balance mon

right now you're a bit weak to zama

hm

you could consider specs val over rockpon

[quartz lark]

tickle alo looks nice here

[inner terrace]

i think av mola is prolly best here still

[quartz lark]

hm maybe

[inner terrace]

works very well with kix cause band kix + av mola can shut down most offense

[quartz lark]

what do you think of play rough + jet on av mola

since theyre already tera fairy

[inner terrace]

torn over mandibuzz could work

uhh lets see

it's prolly usable but also a wise guy told me once always use body slam on av mola

[quartz lark]

got my play rough over body slam perception from storm zone

said he didnt like relying on luck

[inner terrace]

i think the moves in general are up to preference ngl

you really only need like 2 moves on av mola

flip turn and mirror coat, then the last 2 are preference but at least spreading some status is always nice

[quartz lark]

hm i prefer scald for that

[inner terrace]

torn can be like boots or av or plot, you can try each but maybe plot is good to have some power here

scald works but the idea in general is like

[quartz lark]

para

woger

[inner terrace]

if you're weak to pon you can use body slam you para it

it deters a lot of switchins and does chip damage with rocks up as well

sometimes people wont even bring pon in directly cause of it

if it's their best way to break

[quartz lark]

uh huh

[inner terrace]

play rough is good though

and ive seen jet be used but i feel like

it's so niche

[quartz lark]

mhm very specific to the point where it can be considered terrible

cool concept

[inner terrace]

feels like again it's on the idea that you dont always use the last 2 moves and if you're fine with running a dead slot most of the time

like scald and body slam you might click a couple times

but jet maybe every other game

[quartz lark]

jet prob never

i used it sometimes on my ogerpon-c team

[inner terrace]

every other game on ladder if people are feeling offense

[quartz lark]

prob make sense in a less balanced metagame like gen 7

in gen 9 its not terrible

[digital sonnet]

I like mandibuzz for ceruledge since kix kinda sucks at revenging ceruledge so I want something that can reliably answer it

[inner terrace]

oh that

how much does fimp do to it

[digital sonnet]

On top of answering a bunch of other physical demons that kix can revenge but don’t always want to

[quartz lark]

torn is prob better as its faster

[digital sonnet]

I forget exactly how much but I don’t think it kills with tera after a weak armor drop

[inner terrace]

cause mandibuzz is a bit slow i feel

but it can work

[quartz lark]

buzz doesnt resist bitter

[inner terrace]

i see what it can do

[quartz lark]

then ceru is prob lorb

[digital sonnet]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tinted Lens Tera Bug Lokix First Impression vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Ceruledge: 248-292 (85.2 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[inner terrace]

thats pretty good ngl

[digital sonnet]

Bitter does nothing to ceru

• 2 lorb bitter does like 70

Or 80 something around there

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Ceruledge Bitter Blade vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Mandibuzz: 286-337 (67.6 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[inner terrace]

a lot of the time ceru will force a mon if it's played well if your team is a bit bulkier imo

very outplay reliant mon to beat it i feel

[quartz lark]

ok not bad

[digital sonnet]

Mandibuzz has definitely helped me out into ceruledge alot from my games

[quartz lark]

i assume fp kills as well

[inner terrace]

for sure

[digital sonnet]

Even if they tera +2 foul does a lot and if they tera now kix can freely revenge it

[inner terrace]

it kills at neutral im guessing

[digital sonnet]

Neutral yeah it kills

[quartz lark]

i suppose the problem here lies in buzz being weak to rocks

[digital sonnet]

It definitely struggles into pivot wellsprings

When they knock boots and then keep uturning when I bring it in

[inner terrace]

in that case you can keep mandi and run specs val over rockpon

but you might have a little trouble breaking past some teams

[digital sonnet]

If I go specs Val I think I want uturn on mandi to help get the choiced mons in

[quartz lark]

shouldnt be too difficult should you play right

you got two pivots in mola a slow one

then kix a fast one

[digital sonnet]

My last team had an av whirlpool prim with a specs dragapult to help break fatter/stall but I couldn’t fit a steel resist so ghold was a problem

[quartz lark]

and what was this team

[digital sonnet]

https://pokepast.es/c5cfcc1f6b10a64f

[regal ginkgo]

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[quartz lark]

i dont think its terrible since your front line is all faster than ghold, i believe kix has a st of more than 84?

[digital sonnet]

This new one is mostly trying to rebuild around cornerstone since I thought it might help break with lokix better than specs pult but it’s seemed just ok

[digital sonnet]

Adamant kix underspends ghold

[quartz lark]

i see

[digital sonnet]

It can’t reliably revenge it

[quartz lark]

i believe i made a ogerpon-c team

[digital sonnet]

And scarf was one problem, and air balloon was another if I couldn’t pop it for tusk

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/68cbb415d12d45a9

see if you learn something

[digital sonnet]

I think it’s kinda hard to fill in because with a kix I need more reliable removal than any of these mons do

I’ve tried some builds with gweez but then I always get ruined by ceruledge

[quartz lark]

i suppose you just convert the style then

[digital sonnet]

And then corv always get me messed up by ghold stuff

[quartz lark]

bait ghold in and use it as a trampoline thats what i do

[digital sonnet]

For the specs Val I’m not sure if tera fairy or tera ghost is best

I think tera ghost + kix can hit what the other needs but I think tera fairy could be good immediate breaking

[quartz lark]

tera ghost is just the default for e speed non boosted nite

fairy to be greedy

[frosty plinth]

You look a bit woger weak here imo. (Iirc tera cudgel smokes mani. And while you do have lokix it gets worn by rocks and can be exploited for momentum somewhat if the opp plays right)
I also don't get idef on mandi here your team is already kind of weak to hazards
You have two mons who rly don't like hazards I would def go fog for a bit of backup

[digital sonnet]

I went tera ghost and game 1 I lead into an av kyurem, it lives moonblast, and crit ice beam kills me, team felt good besides that

[frosty plinth]

Mixed val is also a big threat 2 you

Imo

[digital sonnet]

+2 tera cudgel only kills if it’s a crit which nothing can rely tank

No crit it does like 83

[frosty plinth]

Ah okay

Then I'm wrong

About that

[quartz lark]

oh wait

why is that oger-c oger mask as an item

wait nvm

im thinking of ogerpon

[frosty plinth]

Still with a bit of chip it's kinda bad

Considering that your best speed control ties with it

[quartz lark]

well the thing about that is cudjgel has a high crit ratio, so you shouldn't be oblivious to rng having the possibility of screwing your shit

[digital sonnet]

It’s definitely something that it sucks to not be able to play around but I think it’s just a part of playing balance in sv ou

1/8 games if they stay in at +2 against a pokemon with foul play they might just win the game

[frosty plinth]

^

[quartz lark]

buzz is definitely good for woger

[digital sonnet]

I swapped from cornerstone to specs ival

[frosty plinth]

I just noticed the scarf ghold

Oops

[quartz lark]

i think this is false

[frosty plinth]

I should get some sleep before I talk here apologies

[quartz lark]

you might not have a direct counter for everything but atleast your team should have the tools to deal with your threats

which is why checks exist

[digital sonnet]

I do have answers for wellspring with mandi, lokix, and now ival if I tera to ohko

Actually if they tera back then ival doesn’t kill it but like kix can

[quartz lark]

does specs ival kill woger after rocks

no tera

[digital sonnet]

1/8 roll with moonblast if they don’t tera after rocks

If they tera nothing kills after rocks

[quartz lark]

i see

i think tornadus is looking better now that i look at it a bit more

theres a certain spread i use to ohko woger no tera after rocks

uses 36 spA for bleakwind

with av, then maybe make alo phys to pair nicely

with tickle ofc

[digital sonnet]

I know it’s Mons but I don’t like using mons with accuracy problems especially on their main stab

I’ll try it out but Idk if I’ll stick with it

[quartz lark]

i mean the payoff is nice

30% to lower speed or hurricane to confuse

you could also just u turn since theyre not staying in on torn

and if they tera on a u turn then bleakwind was never an option

if you miss the bleakwind you miss the bleakwind no issue

[digital sonnet]

I forgot but also mandibuzz helps a lot into things like dragapult

Cb tera blast ghost does like 20 to mandi and even a specs draco does like 80

[quartz lark]

the problem with this is buzz cant contact punish

it cant run rocky helmet cause its weak to rocks

it cant run lefties cause it has to run heavy duty boots to be immune to rocks before getting knocked

recovery pp is at an all-time low this gen with 8 pp

wisp pult is common, and therefore fp does less and theres no lefties to counteract the burn

[quartz lark]

i guess you could run lefties over heavy duty boots if you're willing to drop something for defog

[limber spear]

prolly can go like boots on mola and tusk yeah

but how do i get weezing in

and it doesn’t fit well on this h stack cuz it isn’t the fatest type of h stack

like over mola? or tusk? but then it’s only mono removal and replacing other mons will either make it too or not a h stack

or like can just go boots
spam

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/ad2bc5bbf4a1e37f so like this ?

(and i also made this for some reason https://pokepast.es/7e37d83966374e46

[limber spear]

so rest lu as my knoc absorber

torn and zama as abuser of hazard

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/324f44f6e427d3cd
Slithering in The Guard Dog from Anotha Region 🗣️🔥

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[queen saddle]

Team has been really good, I went on an insane fall again but used this and went back up to 1600’s

Was planning to go 1700’s but

had to sleep

I needed something with a solid matchup into T-tar and Sub Kyurem, and with this team I have answers to both

Tusk can answer one but Slither can maybe answer both

It used to be Rotom-H, due to his unique typing in walling Kyurem and many other mons

But the HP stat was too low, that it dies to draco so many times

Slither is just really good at enabling my other breakers though

I had a game where I was walled by Great Tusk, Prim, and Heatran respectively with all my sweepers/breakers of Arcanine, Wake, and Venu

But Slither tanked not just 1

but 2 headlong rushes and got the KO on it

A KO on anything was gonna free me up to use a sweeper

And fort for me it freed up spamming head smash

[quartz lark]

yo since your using sun can you test this team https://pokepast.es/ac4945662c5b1619

[rapid barn]

It would make more sense for it to be specs rather than scarf, no?

You get a 1.5x speed rather than a 1.3x spatk boost instead

[queen saddle]

Yeah but speed control outside of sun has helped a lot

No one really expects it, so it’s a bit of a surprise factor along with the helpful speed control I only have with other forms of priority

[quartz lark]

scarf wake is ass

[queen saddle]

not at all

I’ve tested both specs and scarf

[quartz lark]

i see

[rapid barn]

I mean you do have 2 priority users, and you are giving up on a lot of damage

[queen saddle]

I’ve had both be consistent but scarf to help me more in this team

[quartz lark]

its a waste

[queen saddle]

Yeah but Wake isn’t there to stall break

Arcanine has been breaking walls

day after day

[quartz lark]

wake is a sun wallbreaker

in sun

[queen saddle]

Banded Canine has beaten nearly every wall

with the stab combo of blitz and head smash

[quartz lark]

i still think scarf wake is ass

[queen saddle]

and Slither Wing I recently found out actually helped the core break

[queen saddle]

I’m also talking to nick 😔

anyways

I do get what you mean though

[quartz lark]

i tried it myself

it was ass

[queen saddle]

Just I have had lots of help with scarf over specs tbh

[quartz lark]

qrash can confirm its ass