#SV OU Rates

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lost folio
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You might be right, Ill consider it

prime tendon
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alpine furnace
nocturne sable
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I would also change the tusk ev spread to just its standard on. Booster speed energy/rocky helmet or heavy duty boots can be used on great tusk here. Tera steel tusk is fine here as usual to resist stuff like rilla & kyurem

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Also swords dance & U-turn is kinda anti synergy if you’re running swords dance Ogerpon just run play rough

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Hp invested kingambit usually runs 44 speed evs to outspeed certain walls like Blissey for example

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Not sure I’m a big fan of the dragonite set either. Usually lefties or boots is preferred on Tera blast dragonite instead of trying to awkwardly compensate for scale shot. I think that moveslot could easily be roost/encore.

nocturne sable
prime tendon
torpid pasture
frail sun
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this obviously isn't perfect but how can I improve

low phoenix
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rillaboom could go well over meowscarada

torpid pasture
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i was just using Meowscarada because of triple axel

low phoenix
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I think band Rilla looks fine

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Gives you another pivot for Ursaluna

flat jackal
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flat jackal
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I should probably give torn nasty plot

distant tree
nocturne sable
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Tera flying

flat jackal
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alright

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im having some trouble with stall specifically so this might help

nocturne sable
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Fly move heat wave gnot weather ball

flat jackal
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okey

quartz lark
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desert pike
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quartz lark
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They've already done this.

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And again, I've already told you to search my name and see my pastes. Heck, you could search this channel and see all kinds of pastes.

nocturne sable
# regal ginkgo

^ click on sample teams here and you will see a bunch of teams you can use @desert pike

desert pike
nocturne sable
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All you do is set up screens and spam set up sweepers

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If you run into something like cinderace which court change you can taunt it with deoxys to prevent it from clicking court change

desert pike
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Dragonite + Kingambit Screens by Vert or Ceruledge + Moltres-Galar Screens by Separation and Vert
Which better?

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Top one or second one

nocturne sable
desert pike
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Np and sd

nocturne sable
desert pike
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Ouu okay, i will use moltres early

charred pumice
nocturne sable
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In the early games you just send out stuff like glimmora to help check flyings

desert pike
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What to do if screen over in mid game? Try to bring it back?

nocturne sable
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And remove hazards if they get set up

charred pumice
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Qua can u check my team out

nocturne sable
desert pike
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Thx, if screen buff is over should i try use deoxy again?

nocturne sable
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That’s why you keep deoxys alive to set up screens again

desert pike
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Haha i never try bring screen twice

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I just use deoxy till his death xdd

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Ill fix my play

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Is there pokemon that can kill deoxy fast?

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Like 1/2hko

desert pike
nocturne sable
desert pike
nocturne sable
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Ceruledge is also eved to live non choice specs darkrai from full

desert pike
nocturne sable
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So against tornadus-therain that will mainly be your switch in

desert pike
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Thank you, what biggest threat to this team?

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Only darkrai?

charred pumice
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It should be a balanced offe se team

frozen fox
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maybe that's me

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like what switches into a ogerpon w?

limber spear
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if their weezing is phy def it can

frozen fox
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it's sp def

limber spear
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most sets r rlly weird here

frozen fox
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also i'm not a lorb enjoyer

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too much chip

frozen fox
limber spear
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lo pult and gren r fine

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but different archetypes and move

frozen fox
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pult gotta be boots

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maybe a status guy

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mixed also works

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this is more or less you slapped on mons from different cores than making balance team

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also boots on g weez and make it pain split

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it's your only removal

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also some of your mons are fighting for roles on the team

charred pumice
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So yeah

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Any recommendations

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I need cinder gapdos and drag on the team

limber spear
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u can go for a volt turn core

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try like specs pult off cindy prolly scarf gapdos or cb works too

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and then prolly like a gambit tusk+ a v turner?

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i didnt double dheck the core tho

nocturne sable
# charred pumice https://pokepast.es/d088c82a45c92b73 need gapdos and cinder on the team movese...

K so.. if you’re running banded cinderace you want gunk shot here over zen headbutt. Gunk shot hits primarina & moltres without making contact. Also sucker is not really necessary here since you have scarf gapdoz+being locked into banded sucker kinda loses a lot of momentum. Your cinderace moveslot should be gunk shot, High jump kick, u-turn & pyro ball.

As for the rest of the team they feel really random here. Gweez can probably stay for removal but the other half probably needs to go as they don’t really benefit the team.

nocturne sable
desert pike
quartz lark
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#comp-general

quartz lark
patent pilot
quartz lark
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Wow.

desert pike
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Sorry guys, please jiraooh

quartz lark
nocturne sable
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Put in your Pokémon’s set and add the stat changes( 2 times for example) vs whatever Mon you’re facing

desert pike
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Thx, alr use showdex

frail sun
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frail sun
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dazzling gleam is meant to be shadow ball

quartz lark
# frail sun https://pokepast.es/85e4cf0eb5c89cdb

Replace Quaquaval with Mandibuzz, then make Gliscor special. Do Tera Fairy on Gholdengo, then Tera Grass on Rillaboom.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Def / 228 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Careful Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Knock Off
  • U-Turn
  • Protect

Mandibuzz @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Impish Nature

  • Foul Play
  • Defog
  • Roost
  • U-turn
nocturne sable
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I’m kinda iffy about Qua but the utility it provides in hazard control is worth trying out

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All I really did was convert this to a more hazard stacking route since the mons here really thrive on structures like this.

patent pilot
frail sun
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Probably because of defog

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It can bring in teammates safer

quartz lark
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Pivoter + Removal, which Quaquaval previously offered.

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Removes on Non-Ice Spinner Treads and Tusk

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Better than quaquaval ever could.

charred pumice
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Yea made the team on mobile so I accidently put zen over gunk

torn scroll
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https://pokepast.es/b098c1b228b9520e

So this is technically a Old team before T-Tar, Torn-T and Heatran entered/returned into the tier which i consider this team good but felt it can be improved and im still unsure how to improve/change the team since I built this team completely around Ting-Lu and Iron Crown especially now due the mons that entered into the Tier.

quartz lark
# torn scroll https://pokepast.es/b098c1b228b9520e So this is technically a Old team before T...

Fix these sets also convert Gweezing's 16 SpA into 4 SpD and 252 Def

Iron Crown @ Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Timid Nature

  • Tachyon Cutter
  • Psyshock
  • Volt Switch
  • Focus Blast

Meowscarada @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Jolly Nature

  • Knock Off
  • U-turn
  • Triple Axel
  • Flower Trick

Alomomola @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Relaxed Nature

  • Flip Turn
  • Wish
  • Protect
  • Tickle
torn scroll
# quartz lark Fix these sets also convert Gweezing's 16 SpA into 4 SpD and 252 Def Iron Crown...

Okay Odd stat spread for Gweezing

Ngl I don't get why Tickle is prefered on Alomomola instead of the classic Scald

Psychic Noise is on Booster Speed Crown because I hate dealing with Walls/Stallers like Gliscor for exsample but act as secondary Mid or Late game sweeper incase something happnes to Dragonite or Dragonite isn't in a good position to be switched in. Why Tera Fairy is due to making it somewhat better Defensively to get rid of its weaknesses whilst catching Dragons and especially Dark mons off guard.

Meowscarada honestly to me feels like the weakest Member on the team hence why seeking opinions to change/improve the team in the first place.

quartz lark
charred pumice
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Sadly

patent pilot
torn scroll
limber spear
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16 SpA Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Iron Valiant: 290-344 (100.3 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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but was later not used cuz it doesn’t change much 0 SpA Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Iron Valiant: 288-338 (99.6 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

charred pumice
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I really wanna make gapdos work

patent pilot
charred pumice
limber spear
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geezing prolly can do smth

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unless it’s curse waterfall

low phoenix
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altho itll be niche as you only really switch into non bb corv and mandibuzz decently and most hazard removal is rapid spin cinderace court change or g weezing defog which you dont switch safely to

charred pumice
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Nah I wanna run it as a normal breaker

charred pumice
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I'm fine with replacing most mons except gapdos and ace

low phoenix
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try sinistcha over zapdos kanto

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you check great tusk + wogerpon + spinblock

charred pumice
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Tysm

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And should remove hsamu for a setup sweeper or no?

low phoenix
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no

charred pumice
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Standard set on the sinistcha?

low phoenix
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yes

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this is a momentum heavy team keep up the pressure with hazads + pivoting

charred pumice
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Ok ty

quartz lark
limber spear
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assuming it’s mix ival tho

desert pike
limber spear
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yours isn’t negative spdef nature

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mix would prolly want 4 evs in def anyways

quartz lark
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Does mixed threaten gweezing

limber spear
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there is prolly a reason why it was reason

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u never know when it will come in handy anyways and it isnt that much ev

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and mix has a chance to tech smth weird (but v uncommon)

torn scroll
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Though if I had to say that a few mons can threaten my team with the biggest imo being Kyurem with the various sets it has.

quartz lark
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Fair enough I think it’s dumb though.

limber spear
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limber spear
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hoopa evs is 108spe for -2 pult 40 def for 1.5 sucker from gambit the att and spa evs r just dump

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i dont think they reach any noticable things

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ghost resists is missing but idk how to fix

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(gimmicky krai set but it sounds funny icl)

jade cedar
limber spear
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oh yeah bslam sounds funny to snipe tusk

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wisp pult prolly works too for a better gambit mu

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also i am doing fine hbu catheart

jade cedar
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pretty good

limber spear
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i prolly would test like wisp or t wave on pult

jade cedar
limber spear
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oh both r smogon sets

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spa draco and dart mix

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dart mix is overall better

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cuz more dmg on u-turn and dart is spammable (same could be said to draco but ) it also helps with stall mu

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but spa gives higher hex and a nuke via draco

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cuz i want hex to be better here so i go spa but most of the time just go dart

jade cedar
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ok thx

nocturne sable
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you can just use moltres or something over zappy then

charred pumice
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I won't use moltres because then my team autoloses to stall

nocturne sable
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Actually

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Corv wouldn’t be bad here aswell

charred pumice
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I alr have a defogger

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And yea the dondozo problem

nocturne sable
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  • corv can be ran without fog anyways
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You can run like iron defense body press roost corv

charred pumice
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Hmm ill test a version with corv

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I'm liking sinistcha in this team rn

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Also they should exempt the species clause for regional forms 😭

nocturne sable
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Btw you have max hazards too so your physical should should eventually be able to wear down dozo

charred pumice
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Right

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Thanks

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Wait don't nost dozo run resttalk

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I'll deal with it nvm

nocturne sable
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So if you’re finding success with that you can keep using that

nocturne sable
limber spear
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sd is dangerous but it’s woger

torn scroll
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Though im still wondering what to change/improve on my team since being very open to various opinions to fix up this old team i have.

nocturne sable
limber spear
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oh mb flop

nocturne sable
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I didn’t really pay attention to his team like that

limber spear
limber crystal
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limber crystal
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And I need your guys help with it

nocturne sable
limber crystal
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idk if you understood the idea behind psy terrain on arma

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I would like to explain if that’s ok 😭

nocturne sable
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Like kingambit sucker punches, etc

limber crystal
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I feel like indeedee isn’t enough

nocturne sable
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I can half understand that but like 8 turns of psy terrain should be enough+you have encore lucha as a secondary counter play to priority

limber crystal
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Even with extender

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is it overkill?

nocturne sable
limber crystal
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Thanks a lot boss 🫡

nocturne sable
limber crystal
torn scroll
nocturne sable
torn scroll
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Ah okay

torn scroll
wet coyote
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Pls help

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Which Pokémon from this tier is good for tournaments? Can someone help me?

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OU

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@torn scroll

nocturne sable
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@wet coyote this is not the channel for this you’re better off asking in #comp-general

keen zinc
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first team, thoughts? i tried to pick pokemon that are in the meta that i thought were cute/cool looking without being ones i hate because they look dumb (eg the paradoxes, bar iron valiant) and that the smogon dex said could maybe work together. this was built in large help of the smogon dex setups, i did try really hard though

please be gentle https://pokepast.es/0a8dd04bcd931e51 thank u for any and all advice

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i hope it's okay for a first team hehe

quartz lark
frozen fox
frozen fox
quartz lark
frozen fox
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i can just see it getting out of hand

patent pilot
patent pilot
patent pilot
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Okidogi is also an extremely mid scarfer

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Also why are you 8 speed on ting lu

nocturne sable
nocturne sable
quartz lark
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Scarf doge is heat

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outspeeding hydrapple is cool

regal ginkgoBOT
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Hydrapple (Gen 9)
Typing

Grass / Dragon

Abilities

0: Supersweet Syrup | 1: Regenerator | H: Sticky Hold

Base Stats (BST: 540)

106 / 80 / 110 / 120 / 80 / 44

Weight

93 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

patent pilot
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You're using scarf to outspeed a mon with base 44 speed?

quartz lark
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the lu obviously

patent pilot
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Oh

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Ok thats fine, you outspeed hydrapple

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And then what?

quartz lark
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ruination on that shit

patent pilot
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It has regenerator

quartz lark
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dont care

patent pilot
quartz lark
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what else is there to do, spikes?

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trash

patent pilot
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Unironically yeah

quartz lark
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what is the downside of investing evs lol

patent pilot
quartz lark
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nothing changes lol

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anyways any new messages do it in #comp-general

patent pilot
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Did you post the team for feedback or no

keen zinc
quartz lark
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whoever sent that make it a paste instead

hoary lantern
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hoary lantern
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What can I change to be better or more balanced

patent pilot
hoary lantern
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Great advice

final relic
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i mean objectively you cant change anything you wont win many games if any at all

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none of these are remotely useable

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except garg

hoary lantern
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Ah I see why he said that then

final relic
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and weavile

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but 2/6 isnt what you want.

quartz lark
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potato what do you think of scarf doge

hoary lantern
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I just wanted to make something different

final relic
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as in

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okidogi?

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uh

quartz lark
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yes

final relic
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id not use that

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you kinda throw away its only merit

quartz lark
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saw it in spl

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good for scarf rai and scarada, and zama

quartz lark
nocturne sable
nocturne sable
regal ginkgoBOT
nocturne sable
# quartz lark saw it in spl

I mean I wouldn’t call scarf dogi completely unviable! Tbh any half decent attacker can be a scarfer when your team needs ones.

quartz lark
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mhm hm

nocturne sable
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I’m just gonna say this though just because a set appears on a big tour like SPL doesn’t mean that the set can just be slapped randomly

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On any team

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But I’m not against scarf dogie

quartz lark
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ik gotta understand it first

nocturne sable
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I seen it before

hoary lantern
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With some research

nocturne sable
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The only problem is that Harcanine doesn’t really fit here, I would rather have something like scarf gholdengo here

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I would also make ting Lu spikes>stealth rock & just make great tusk the stealth rocks setter

hoary lantern
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Ok

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Thx

frigid oak
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Hi could someone rate my team give me some tips on what should I change please and thank you I am playing mostly singles and got a competetive match in couple of days here is my team:
https://pokepast.es/edc9ad87450beb53

limber spear
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golden reef
quick niche
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i'd consider running cm hatterene or replacing dragonite with dragapult

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fair disclaimer tho, im new to this so take my advice with a grain of salt

limber spear
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prolly helmet hatt here is fine

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with split

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mono hatt removal is not the safest but on offense should be able to make it work

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also helps with stal mu

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not sure on this but prolly like taunt lu with helmet is decent on offense over chomp but then the team is insanely slow

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but the defensive side is passable

quick niche
limber spear
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if u can make chomp and pult work

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as woger check

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then there is no flyer

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also should go dtail ovet claw on dnite and prolly spinner over encore on dnite (but it’s dnite so everything works) if u r keeping them

quick niche
limber spear
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that’s in terms of like “real check” but an offense can still make it without any so called real checks

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prolly personal preference

quick niche
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ah ic

keen zinc
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thanks for the help all ^^

jade cedar
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jade cedar
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I feel like I can throw knock off on tusk

frosty plinth
nocturne sable
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Tera steel taunt psyshock is usually a way it can tech for stall is usually a way it can tec

frosty plinth
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Looks like this now

chilly tundra
quartz lark
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The matter has been resolved.

quartz lark
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to justify taunt tera steel

frosty plinth
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eh actually I kinda get it

quartz lark
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mhm hm tera steel is mainly for blocking clear smog, which is primarliy seen with amoonguses so you just psyshock

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if they tera steel its fine, just taunt and switch out

snow vale
round portal
quartz lark
# round portal eject pack deo https://pokepast.es/0e0660033757769c

For the deoxys-s it's better to go for a spread like this to justify creeping kyurem after a dd, while keeping the integrity of dealing with zama and gambit

Deoxys-Speed @ Eject Pack
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 152 Atk / 208 SpA / 148 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Psycho Boost
  • Superpower
  • Ice Beam
  • Knock Off
quartz lark
round portal
quartz lark
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prob yeah

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you could forego ice beam for rocks since the spread is more for dd kyurem than scarf lando

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and scarf lando is rarely seen more than defensive utility lando

round portal
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i saw this one torn set that was knock, taunt bleak and plot and was wondering if maybe i could add a hazard stack bit

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like adding spikes on deo and sr on tusk to improve the stall matchup

quartz lark
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i think its too much but you can try it out see if it works well

snow vale
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rocks boots drill?

quartz lark
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if you forego swords dance yes, excadrill should be baloon here always

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if drill is not rocks, i dont think you can run cb tar cause cb tar with rocks is kinda weird

quartz lark
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pecharunt can be a chestnaught instead, this way theres no issues with whos slotting hazards

snow vale
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i assume it's booster cm 3 attacks?

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or should i run encore on ival

quartz lark
snow vale
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so then i have two free mons what roles should i need to fill

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in that case

quartz lark
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pivoting and general speed control

frozen spoke
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After testing this team, I feel like hazards are a huge problem even with Glim support

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And mons like booster energy Iron Moth and CB Ogerpon can punch holes in my team

snow vale
quartz lark
frozen spoke
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I’m a bit hesitant because defog would also remove my veil

quartz lark
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defog does not remove your veil if you're the one defogging

frozen spoke
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Ohhh okay

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I did not know that

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Thanks for pointing that out!

quartz lark
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👍

frozen spoke
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Should I remove Glim for another sweeper?

quartz lark
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nah

frozen spoke
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Or would rocks still be good on this team

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Alrighty

quartz lark
jade cedar
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wait fk I thought this was com-general my bad 😭

placid yarrow
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You have either hatt or treads as your hazard control

frozen spoke
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I originally had Treads, but then Iron Moth proved to be a huge struggle

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So I went for Glim instead

placid yarrow
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Or a ground that can stomach a hit

frozen spoke
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Ahh okay

placid yarrow
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But hatt tends to be more common

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placid yarrow
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(This is not an rmt)

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(This is just an example)

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Hatt is the other option which is generally prefered

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Your team also lacks a ground type

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The dominant type of damage reducing ho rn is screens so look into that too

frozen spoke
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Ohh wait you mean screens is the main type of HO

placid yarrow
frozen spoke
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Sorry I misunderstood

placid yarrow
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Screens is the better option rn

frozen spoke
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Yeah makes sense

placid yarrow
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Mostly because

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Atales kinda has to tech for everything rn

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Deo just kinda clicks screens and taunt

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And wins vs most things when getting stuff on the field

frozen spoke
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Yeah I've defo been struggling to get veil up with tales

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Mainly because it gets outsped by a lot

placid yarrow
frozen spoke
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Alrighty

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I mainly chose veil because of its defense boost to Kyurem

placid yarrow
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No that's fair

frozen spoke
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But honestly it's such a niche IMO

placid yarrow
# frozen spoke But honestly it's such a niche IMO

Kyurem's best set on veil is mixed dd
But honestly my anglefor your team is scrap most of the mons
Keep glimm goltres and maybe zama depending on your structure
Then screens deo>atales
Then go from there
And see what you can put in or replace

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Samples are a good reference for how to build screens

frozen spoke
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Alrighty

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I love Goltres so I'm still happy with the foundation

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and I can finally have an accurate secondary STAB with tera blast

placid yarrow
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Goltres is a good screens mon despite how much I personally dislike it

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But yeah bottom line
You can keep a couple mons

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But adapt it to a deo screens team

frozen spoke
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Alrighty

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Thank you, I appreciate your help!

regal ginkgoBOT
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Hey @keen oriole, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

mental ermine
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i can provide notes if needed

limber crystal
dark slate
regal ginkgoBOT
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dark slate
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Its stall like team

chilly tundra
quartz lark
nocturne sable
nocturne sable
raw berry
mental ermine
limber spear
mental ermine
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Oh ok

limber spear
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cuz sd woger and scarf enam can both work in ho(i think specs enam is better but) but they also work in bos yeah

mental ermine
limber spear
mental ermine
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Oh :P

limber spear
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below bo its balance and bulky balance or called fat most of the time

mental ermine
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Bulky balance was what I was thinking of

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But my main concern is can garganacl handle the birds well

limber spear
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ho is mostly just lead+5 win con

mental ermine
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Yea

limber spear
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(win con as in things that can sweep)

mental ermine
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Right

limber spear
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but things with further utlity can also be used such as specs or scarf enam in webs and such

mental ermine
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Yeah

mental ermine
limber spear
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tho tera water or electric also a viable option

dark slate
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I Accounter a team with a Ceruledge tera ghost 2+ATT, who litteraly Kill 3 of my mon, what should i change ?

dark slate
quartz lark
regal ginkgoBOT
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mental ermine
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Like a normal protect recover salt cure rocks or something else

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This is an SV ou thread btw

zenith seal
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oh fuk mb

golden reef
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Anyway to actually make it viable for laddering or nah ...

nocturne sable
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Replace them with a proper ground immune and a fairy resist

golden reef
nocturne sable
digital sonnet
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https://pokepast.es/578a1f28ee4f6be5
staying consistent with only using lokix for the last year+
Kyurem + glowking does what they do
Mandibuzz stops demons like most dnite, wellspring, gambit, ceruledge
Tusk for removal,
Prim for some help into stall and special threats like enam, other prim

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I’ve had some problems with things like ghold, and ho with too many physical sweepers so mandibuzz gets overwhelmed

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Considered swapping tusk for treads since I don’t have a steel but I don’t think it helps with the problems I’m having

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Also if a zama subs up I usually shake their hand

nocturne sable
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Main problem is that you don’t have anything that resists make it rain

digital sonnet
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I considered an alo but I’m trying to build less passive balance teams

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I like having glowking and prim together so there’s less pressure on both of them against teams with like an enam and a bolt

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But prim is probably the most likely swap especially since I just kind slapped in on

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I forgot but also other kyurem are a massive problem

nocturne sable
digital sonnet
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I mainly threw it so it can be a light kyurem switch in, and because I like how lokix and prim form a good pivoting breaking core but idk if it’s needed with glowking and kyurem

frosty plinth
limber spear
regal ginkgoBOT
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limber spear
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the first 4 were locked and the last 2 r kinda free cuz i just need better pon and gambit mu there so fez is kinda fine to take out i think

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92 def takes 2 hlr from defensive tusk and a glasses tera dark sucker 164 spdef tanks focus miss from offensive dengo and krai(no boost item) and 2 dkiss from hatt

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team is kinda slow tho so mostly i would burn oger's tera cuz fimp just is fimp

limber crystal
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Any suggestions?

summer tusk
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on darkrai

limber spear
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for me it’s prolly go for the smogon set for most mons and make clef like a flyer such as moltres

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(i think it’s jsut ghost blast on pult+utility tinka+28 speed on pech + get the 4 evs and np krai is fine cuz u want a win con

sterile jay
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who can i add to the team ?

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i been searching for specs users

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i originally had crown w specs but idk it just doesnt feel that it fits that well here

quartz lark
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rapid barn
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something to take advantage of it

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I wouldnt run av tusk though

sterile jay
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do i switch to treads better over tusk ?

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it also improve the matchup into bolt

rapid barn
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tbh I dont think bolt is that big of an issue here

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but besides that, you should consider adding some other mons that compliment lokix and appreciate your hazard control

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think kyurem or enamorus

sterile jay
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ill probably switch for kyurem ngl

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specs or boots could be crazy here

rapid barn
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special attackers that can help deal with the things that wall lokix

brazen canyon
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I wanted to ask you of something

sterile jay
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actually

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scarf enamorus is probs the call then

rapid barn
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i think scarf or specs would both be alright

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lokix is great as a revenge killer

sterile jay
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noo true its crazy

rapid barn
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you should consider some options like for ex av mola as a defensive pivot

sterile jay
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tera bug first impression kills half the tier troguh resist

sterile jay
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i made some changes to fat primarina

rapid barn
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you could afford to not run boots cuz of your hazard control, and it could switch into basically anything and help your breakers pivot in

sterile jay
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i feel like it works better

sterile jay
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it would have to be over primarina

rapid barn
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its like uhhh, flip turn scald mirror coat body slam

sterile jay
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that should work

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ill try it out too

rapid barn
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👍

sterile jay
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what set should i run w tusk you think btw

rapid barn
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I like lefties

sterile jay
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lefties is probs the way to go true

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what about sitrus berry ?

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i dont think i stay many turns in the field w tusk anyway

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it does give me a ton more of survival

rapid barn
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uhhh

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I still think leftovers is a bit better

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or rocky helmet

sterile jay
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fair enough lmao

rapid barn
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id prolly swap out landorus though

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you can drop rocks on tusk

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and to like, not stack types too much

sterile jay
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thats fair

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but for who tough

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pecharunt maybe ?

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any pivot w u turn would be good her ngl tough

rapid barn
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pech is solid yeah

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kinda like a type of volt turn team yk

sterile jay
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parting shot true

rapid barn
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thats why stuff like mola and cinderace are good partners for it

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pivots are good, mix with hazard control

sterile jay
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truee

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ill run toxic over malignant chain tough

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its way more consistent

rapid barn
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you can run either tbf

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but like

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its nice to be able to hit fairy types

sterile jay
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truee

rapid barn
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thats the trade off

sterile jay
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maybe i just drop foul play tough

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could run shadow ball just for more consistency

rapid barn
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shadow ball recover malignant chain parting shot is the default set

nocturne sable
sterile jay
rapid barn
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but anyways, if you want to build around lokix, think about the hazard control partners and mons that benefit from it

rapid barn
sterile jay
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truee

rapid barn
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not as good as the shadow ball set

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imo

sterile jay
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no true i am just surprised it defaults to that over shadow ball

nocturne sable
# sterile jay https://pokepast.es/5622704270cc808a

This channel is kinda only for completed teams anyway.

Although there seems to be a lot of overlaps & redundancy with your team like Lando+corv+tusk. Prim+Lokix is fine to start with but the other half of the team doesn’t really support the core that well together

rapid barn
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mhm

sterile jay
nocturne sable
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This is just a team I made up in builder with the core of kix+prim in mind

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Making this a voltTurn spammy core kinda

sterile jay
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i did change to alo but i do dislike how passive it is

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i will give it a try tyy

rapid barn
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mmm looks good

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lokix is rlly nice on those types of volt turn teams

chilly tundra
sterile jay
rapid barn
nocturne sable
sterile jay
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cinderace doesnt feel like it fits

sterile jay
nocturne sable
rapid barn
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hmm

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maybe a swap into like hatterene for hazard control instead?

nocturne sable
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I added ace for extra removal to help kix

rapid barn
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ace is good removal ye, and u-turn helps

nocturne sable
# sterile jay also yeh

Usually np pecha has a decent mu into stall. Clod kinda sucks ye but it pressures pex+blissey. Psynoise prim is also a decent tool into stall

quartz lark
nocturne sable
quartz lark
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perish song with whirlpool. clueless

dark slate
rapid barn
proud herald
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get ghold

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offensive pressure + spinfog blocker

rapid barn
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though id prolly switch out toxapex

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and change treads to great tusk

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Pecharunt @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Malignant Chain
  • Hex
  • Parting Shot
  • Recover
    something like this would be a much better set though
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the thing id rlly like is some sort of priority or fast mons to take advantage of the hazards you are setting

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like dnite

proud herald
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or gambit dogkek

rapid barn
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mhm

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gambit is also a good option

quartz lark
regal ginkgoBOT
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chilly tundra
quartz lark
rapid barn
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a stall team that has 0 way to make progress

chilly tundra
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Just play full double defog stall at this point

quartz lark
rapid barn
quartz lark
# chilly tundra We are not cooking

Dugtrio was the original Pokémon to be centered around. Moltres was paired with this to U-Turn on the common Ting-Lu then trap and remove it with Dugtrio. Because Arena Trap is banned in SV OU, a different Pokemon had to pair with the moltres to fulfill this similar intent. Ditto was used in its place for its vast versatility. It can either be used to use offensive pieces on the other team against them, which is great as this team is lacking in the special sponge department so copying something like a walking wake in the sun MU is quite nice. Ditto can also be used to copy Pokémon on the opposing team to fill gaps in defense, most notably the aforementioned special sponge such as Ting-Lu, which Moltres will U-Turn on to get Ditto in and set hazards/scout the set. Ditto is also very good at scouting sets so I can switch my walls in with higher execution.

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Not cooking, yeah right.

chilly tundra
rapid barn
quartz lark
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Whatever helps y'all sleep at night. Man, no wonder I don't rate here as much. Forums have more class.

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Glowking and what army lol

queen saddle
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OU TR Diancie

quartz lark
chilly tundra
quartz lark
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Then dont give half-assed remarks lol

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wait till you get off

rapid barn
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???

quartz lark
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Its rather the quality of your rating that didnt sit right with me

queen saddle
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Looked in chat to see if smb rated my team and I see a man raging bc glowking walls him

quartz lark
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and lack of history of this team.

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its been posted before

rapid barn
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its a stall team but it couldnt make any progress

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and you got mad??

queen saddle
quartz lark
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look further. does it really not make progress?

rapid barn
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you need stuff like knock off

quartz lark
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is this balance?

queen saddle
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wait he doesnt have a knocker

rapid barn
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he doesnt have a knocker

queen saddle
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I didnt look at his team

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So you’re saying stall without knock off

rapid barn
rapid barn
quartz lark
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it is making progress.

queen saddle
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hazards but no knock

rapid barn
queen saddle
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is questionable

quartz lark
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where does a knocker fit

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nowhere

rapid barn
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gliscor

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its literally a stall staple

queen saddle
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why is there so many birds

quartz lark
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cant be fit here

rapid barn
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you got plenty of knockers

queen saddle
rapid barn
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your team gets 6-0 by stuff like primarina too

queen saddle
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Gliscor too yeah

quartz lark
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i cant slap it on without entirely altering the structure

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gliscor is bad here

queen saddle
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Woger is gg’s

quartz lark
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this isnt gen 7 where it has roost

queen saddle
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🧍‍♂️

quartz lark
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also tera dragon corv is right there

rapid barn
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gliscor being bad on stall is a crazy statement

queen saddle
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real

rapid barn
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and yeah put knock on mandibuzz, its right there

queen saddle
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Gliscor doesn’t need roost

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like at all

rapid barn
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exactly

quartz lark
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its a common staple for woger switch ins but i also have buzz

queen saddle
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spikes + knock + protect + toxic

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gg’s

rapid barn
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knock spikes gliscor is amazing on stall

quartz lark
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gliscor isnt bad on stall its just not right on this composition

rapid barn
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also this still doesnt fix the fact your team instant loses to primarina

queen saddle
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i dont think I see a single unaware mon too

rapid barn
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you gotta change the team up anyways

quartz lark
#

it does not how does it lose to rina?

queen saddle
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Calm mind

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Sub

rapid barn
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mhm

quartz lark
#

blissey has toss

queen saddle
#

Liquid voice psy noise and moonblast

rapid barn
quartz lark
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does rina do tera ghost?

queen saddle
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doesn’t prim run

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yeah lmfao

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yes

rapid barn
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prim runs tera ghost

quartz lark
#

it has tera dark lol

rapid barn
queen saddle
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and what does tera dark seismic toss do

rapid barn
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how are you beating the prim

queen saddle
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😔

quartz lark
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besides im not using only blissey for rina

rapid barn
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then what

quartz lark
#

theres corv

queen saddle
rapid barn
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corv doesnt beat prim

queen saddle
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Wow

quartz lark
#

pressure stalling is quite nice

queen saddle
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Who could’ve known

queen saddle
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slaps the shit out of Corvi right

quartz lark
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this is special corv with bb

rapid barn
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yeah

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doesnt matter

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you still lose

quartz lark
#

in what universe

rapid barn
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it will just regen back all its hp with leftovers and kill you with psychic noise

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you cant heal

quartz lark
#

rina has no reliable recovery

queen saddle
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In at least half where you let prim get +1 while switching into Corvi

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then +2 bc Corvi does no damage

quartz lark
#

if its lefties it cant be boots

queen saddle
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and 2HKOED

queen saddle
rapid barn
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primarina has leftovers and draining kiss, your team doesnt even have enough damage to beat it

queen saddle
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Cinderace court change gg’s

quartz lark
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psycho noise is resisted by steel types

chilly tundra
queen saddle
rapid barn
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liquid voice

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its water

quartz lark
#

buzz is immune to future sight

queen saddle
#

…

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Yeah but future sight isn’t the only thing hitting you btw

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🙏🙏🙏

quartz lark
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tusk needs ice spinner to damage properly

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theres cc but its whatever

queen saddle
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You have 2

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or 3

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phys def birds

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and a ditto

quartz lark
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not my intention just needed stuff to support ditto's fragility

queen saddle
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in what world is ditto needed here and why do you need 3 phys def birds

quartz lark
#

that abscorn hp stat

queen saddle
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Corvi/Mandi is enough cuh 😭🙏

quartz lark
#

it was placed over trio

queen saddle
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Molt isn’t even used on stall

quartz lark
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cuz arena trap is banned

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molt is used if the hazard situation is ok

queen saddle
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What’s your elo

quartz lark
#

if not then talonflame

chilly tundra
rapid barn
#

thats actually a great question

quartz lark
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1420 i started playing a month ago and i mostly build and rate teams

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i plan to do some circuits tho

rapid barn
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ah okay that makes sense why he doesnt know the sets

queen saddle
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it’s not horrible but still

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I lowk expected 12-1300

rapid barn
#

but yeah if you are trying to run stall just take the sample or something

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your stall doesnt rlly work

queen saddle
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How do you beat specs Kyurem bc the only quote on quote counter I see is Corvi

quartz lark
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theres a stall bible i use

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has lots of stuff there

queen saddle
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what the FUCK

quartz lark
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lots of teams

queen saddle
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is a stall bible

quartz lark
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i dont use the teams tho

rapid barn
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lmao

quartz lark
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i just make my own

queen saddle
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the word of stall

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Im crine

quartz lark
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its not too long to read all of it

rapid barn
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okay um first thing, id prolly not team build until you are like, at least 1500-1600, but thats just me

quartz lark
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just vr

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and stuff

rapid barn
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you gotta get the common sets down first

quartz lark
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nah i got them down i just dont remember everything

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like liquid voice being like pixilate

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i glanced at it one time

rapid barn
#

sooo you acknowledge primarina being an issue right?

rapid barn
quartz lark
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yes but its managable for sure

rapid barn
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noooo

queen saddle
#

no

rapid barn
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you literally cant beat primarina

quartz lark
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i beat that shit like its momma doesnt know it

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bars

rapid barn
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well I mean you are 1400, they are prolly running some goofy sets

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but trapper sets and sub cm will wreck your team

quartz lark
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nah theres even scarier sets available that im aware of

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for example

queen saddle
#

I refuse the fact that you actually think you can beat defensive or offensive cm prim

quartz lark
#

perish song with whirlpool

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goodness

queen saddle
#

defensive prim just destroys your corvi first of all

quartz lark
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thats like block spite pex

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in gen 7

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destorys chansey

queen saddle
rapid barn
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perish song isnt a real set tbh

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whirlpool is a thing

quartz lark
#

perish song is a move on rina and its insane

rapid barn
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but perish song is inconsistent

quartz lark
#

like nuts

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trades 1 for 1 but only do this for stall

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and fatty teams

queen saddle
#

nonono shut up for a moment respectfully and let me speak

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how do you beat

rapid barn
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well uhhh, most defensive mons could pivot out of perish

queen saddle
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252 hp 252+ def

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Cm sub tera ghost prim

rapid barn
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pray their wifi cuts out

queen saddle
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with draining kiss and psy noise with liquid voice

quartz lark
#

stall it out

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pressure and switching around

rapid barn
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no but fr though what

queen saddle
#

so you’re going to stall something Blissey can’t hurt right or heal io

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up

rapid barn
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what is taking hits from a +6 primarina

queen saddle
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as Prim gets +6

quartz lark
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and not even get in a position like that in the first place

queen saddle
quartz lark
#

which i will see on tp

rapid barn
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no its literally impossible to avoid it

queen saddle
#

MAX PHYS DEF PRIM RIGHT

quartz lark
#

sure its a terrible MU but stuff like that should be addressed in the battle

queen saddle
#

TANKS BB WITH SUB RIGHT

quartz lark
#

not the builder

queen saddle
#

Im crine

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I’m actually crine

rapid barn
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crine MA_WideSob

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but anyways fix it

queen saddle
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let him find a way to beat glowking and prim

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he’ll find a way trust

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because like

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power of friendship

rapid barn
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see this is why you need knock off

queen saddle
#

the bond with pokemon

rapid barn
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you need some sort of progress maker

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something with unaware would be nice too

quartz lark
#

and how do you propose i do while keeping the integrity of the team.

its one thing to point out observations, but it takes far greater skill to properly uplift the team

queen saddle
#

why not just run dozo corvi blissey

rapid barn
#

YES

queen saddle
#

gliscor

rapid barn
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JUST RUN THE SAMPLE

quartz lark
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nah way too bloated

rapid barn
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you are running stall, use what works

queen saddle
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that’s the POINT

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OF STALL

quartz lark
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um no

queen saddle
#

No this is rage bait

quartz lark
#

show some restraint

queen saddle
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“too bloated” “stall team”

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😭

quartz lark
#

dont just slap stuff and call it stall

rapid barn
queen saddle
#

only thing bro is stalling is the timer I’m sorry

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💔

quartz lark
#

or you will be building terrible stall teams

rapid barn
queen saddle
#

Bro’s a pro stall user and we didn’t even realize

rapid barn
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also what is that corviknight set

quartz lark
#

stall is the single most important compositon to build carefully

queen saddle
#

😨

rapid barn
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bulk up brave bird

#

what in the randbats

queen saddle
queen saddle
#

WHAT

quartz lark
#

i gotta be as less passive as possible

queen saddle
#

ON STALL?

quartz lark
#

that should be the goal of every stall team

rapid barn
#

check

quartz lark
#

stall doesnt last forever

rapid barn
#

its supposed to basically last forever

quartz lark
#

especially now with the botched recovery pp down to 8 from last gen

queen saddle
#

where is your electric immunity either

#

way

quartz lark
#

i also heard its going down to 5, jesus.

queen saddle
#

Calm mind raging bolt

rapid barn
queen saddle
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when no ground

quartz lark
#

stall will still find a way to thrive in gen 10, though it will be vastly different

rapid barn
#

i was gonna say

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but if he could get blissey in early he should be ok

queen saddle
#

😭

quartz lark
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my intention is not to rage bait. its only to educate.

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and inform

rapid barn
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monologuing, the irl stall technique

queen saddle
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gave up on defending his team

queen saddle
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This is criminal “educate and inform”

quartz lark
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ive already said what i said

rapid barn
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the secret technique from the heian era

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if you scroll to the original reply it states my reasons for putting ditto in trios place

rapid barn
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but genuinely pls change up the team

queen saddle
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stall when no knock off vs boots spam

rapid barn
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you could even run spite corv

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just something to make progress

quartz lark
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i will accept your feedback but

queen saddle
quartz lark
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only when it makes sense

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you’re flat out ignoring it

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we make sense to all but not you

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💔

quartz lark
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im addressing my concerns with it

rapid barn
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what concerns do you even have

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psycry it’s so gg’s

quartz lark
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in the most respecful way i can atm

quartz lark
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if I see this team on the ladder with my tr team

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I’m using Ursaluna and shaking your hand

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🙏

rapid barn
# quartz lark i mean, you can look at the chat log

from what I understand, you refuse to use knock off on mandibuzz bec that'll change your entire team, primarina is somehow not going to 6-0 your team, your team has issues but you refuse to address them

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tbf ursaluna is a stall breaker so I cant rlly talk much

quartz lark
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you prob wont as much since its a second unit. i build in practice not theory.

queen saddle
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Tbh at least having one knock user makes this team usable let’s be honest

rapid barn
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mhm

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at the minimum usable

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but also you have defog on 2 mons

quartz lark
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so even when your hazards are up

quartz lark
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i need a woger switch in

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you defog yours away

rapid barn
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like

quartz lark
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i have no dozo for setup sweepers

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i need id

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really beats that

rapid barn
quartz lark
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knock makes no sense since i have toxic and fp

queen saddle
quartz lark
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ditto is not a woger switch in, woger has power whip and u turn

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could prob sd on a switch too

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use it as your revenge

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💔

rapid barn
quartz lark
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and sac for no reason.

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Dude Im gonna cry

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deadass Im gonna cry

quartz lark
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how does corv do buzz's dirty work

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this rage bait on another level

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😔

rapid barn
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yup

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holy shit you stalled so much my downtime is nearly abt to go on

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nvm you’re pro master staller

quartz lark
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i mean call it what you will but fwiw, i do enjoy some friendly discourse. as the wise BKC once said.

queen saddle
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gg’s

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Nick I do gotta ask tho if u can rate my TR team yourself as well

rapid barn
queen saddle
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TR is a bit gimmicky in this meta which I do understand

rapid barn
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drop it

queen saddle
rapid barn
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kk

quartz lark
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Struggling with Gambit set ngl

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Bc I want it to be a wincon if tr goes down without me being able to win

rapid barn
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hmmm the team is interesting

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but also abuse it

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but like

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I cant rlly abuse it