SV OU Rates

[patent pilot]

Yw

[tepid hazel]

me wondering if conkeldurr even has a niche- oh wait facades hit hard

cross that

facade is so bs

istg im considering tera normal

prob doesnt change interactions tho i dont think...

🤔 maybe 2hko clef idfk? i have no idea i will test tera fighting first

[tepid hazel]

ok team looks so much better now! thank you!

https://pokepast.es/b74d87c143488861

I set it up but I'm a little worried about Gliscor on the team.

[tepid hazel]

corvikngiht for great tusk but im too meta at recommendations

take it with a grain of salt

but bulky up great tusk

is my favorite mo non webs

and u dont wanna be passive on webs anyways so

why r u running defog on a web team-

kidna wack

Thanks for the recommendation, and it's my first time in building, so something strange might come out, but you learn from your mistakes.

[tepid hazel]

true! good mentality

Thanks

[limber spear]

so on a webs team
u want to go all out in attack and get a spin blocker like i think ceru dengo np pech works

[tepid hazel]

👀

[limber spear]

prolly have the throw away like corv

[tepid hazel]

see now this is a better play than me:

[limber spear]

and adjust some sets

[tepid hazel]

even tho i hate stall players i just hate stall not the player

[limber spear]

like double dance scor sd woger max speed gambit and such

[tepid hazel]

Yeah

[tepid hazel]

scor can double dance?

[limber spear]

agility sd

[tepid hazel]

i did not know that

noted

whats a good set for double dance

[limber spear]

but on webs it’s a bit wired

[tepid hazel]

like facade eq?

[tepid hazel]

meaning? 🤔

[limber spear]

or knock eq ish stuff

[tepid hazel]

Guys, it will take me a while to read this because I'm still learning English.

[tepid hazel]

i see.

[limber spear]

u get some speed from webs so agility is kinda meh

[tepid hazel]

i thought facade would be better possibly but ig sd is the firepower

[limber spear]

i mean facade is fine

[tepid hazel]

yeah but maybe u just run bulk instead

???

idk just random bullshit go

my brian has too many ideas

[limber spear]

then it’s momentum sink

[tepid hazel]

smh

im still trying to make mega gardevoir work on 9antdexou

(shes bad, rly bad)

😭

istg

nothing relaible on gen 9 teams smh eevrything is so

just, unrelaible somehow

idk what happened

[tepid hazel]

So what should I change or modify in the team?

[limber spear]

so dump corv for a ghost get max speed gambit (prolly adamant) sd >u-turn on woger

scor is erm

[tepid hazel]

Ok, thanks freesh

[limber spear]

also max speed bolt

[tepid hazel]

Ok

huh my first idea was tusk for spin

only?

[limber spear]

maybe idbp zama?

[limber spear]

oh right removal

[tepid hazel]

but yeah thats prob better ur not rly gonna wanna spin

yeah

😅

[limber spear]

uh go booster speed tusk

[tepid hazel]

no removal

[tepid hazel]

best set is bulk up

if i am correct

[limber spear]

yeah in ho

[tepid hazel]

i love bulk up tusk on webs

my goat

oh

i did not know that

it has just been working for me 😅

someone even recommended me head smash

anyways

[limber spear]

so go like bu spin tusk with booster speed over corv ?

i think ballon gambit is fine for a flyer in ho

or specs enam is an option

[tepid hazel]

Okay, could I replace the gambit with primary specifications?

because my team is vulnerable to fire

[limber spear]

i think the major thing is offensive cohesion

cuz it’s ho u don’t rlly care defensively

[tepid hazel]

Ok

[limber spear]

manaphy is also an option

[tepid hazel]

Great Tusk and Manaphy are great options indeed.

[tepid hazel]

Would the Great Tusk option be the one with bulk up?

[limber spear]

yeah

most of the time its better in ho

[tepid hazel]

Ok

I think Tusk is better because it shows the field without removing the web.

[tepid hazel]

Well, I think it's better to use Tusk Bulk Up and Spinner with Pokémon Specs.

[quartz lark]

You prob want something that can remove on pecharunt. Treads is ok since it’s immune to malignant chain and should deal with shadow ball decently.

[nocturne sable]

Umm not that I can think off the top of my head torn pech Lu is a pretty common core

[tepid hazel]

I even wanted to, but since he's not paying much attention, I don't have to worry.

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea one minor thing I forgot you should probably change prim to torrent so you have psychic coverage to break through poisons like pex,lvenusaur, etc @jade cedar

[tepid hazel]

my gliscor can unravel with pecharunt by absorbing the poison

[quartz lark]

The same gliscor that can’t remove hazards

[tepid hazel]

Okay, so the guys suggested a Great Tusk Bulk Up Ice Spinner.

[quartz lark]

Can you share your initial team

[tepid hazel]

but of course

[quartz lark]

Yes thx don’t wanna scroll up all that text im on my phone

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/b74d87c143488861

This was the initial team.

[nocturne sable]

Fling is beyond useless on conkeldurr. Non of the common conk switch ins even care about burn outside of like corviknight, but corv gets farmed by conk after a knock off. Change fling to drain punch/close combat & make conk Tera normal for facade damage.

Max hp on guts conk is kinda useless since it doesn’t have any defensive utility so just make it max speed to atleast try and speed tie non jolly gambits.

This team is also way too slow. Band rilla is kinda redundant when you already have conk & kingambit for priority+walkbreaking. I would replace rillaboom for something like a scarf latios. Latios won’t be a bad ground immune here since you have physdef mola to scout out knock offs & U-turns. & if they start being impatient and clicking ground move to break through mola you can take advantage of that by bringing latios in.

Also I would look to change stuff like scald on mola for tickle. Tickle is good into dnite and weakens Ogerpon on switch to make it easier for gweez to swap in. Speaking of gweez I would probably make it Tera grass here to deal with pon better. Make gambit hp invested here to make set up easier

[tepid hazel]

oh i have dragapult instead of rillaboom rn

wait

oh my bad crap

https://pokepast.es/365c479e00833afd

[tepid hazel]

I can't believe the guy wrote the ten-steps sign in minutes.

[tepid hazel]

ok gotcha

[tepid hazel]

wait i run jolly?

[nocturne sable]

This can also work ig

[tepid hazel]

so tickle is better?

[nocturne sable]

Nah you run adamant on conk im just saying there is not point in max hp

[tepid hazel]

oh ok

[nocturne sable]

Yea generally for stuff like dnite & woger

[tepid hazel]

but like what about tera grass geezing

thats what u said

i believe?

OH for wellspring

[tepid hazel]

yeah i like that, thanks

[nocturne sable]

I think the paste you sent me is fine aswell. You can test both out and see

[tepid hazel]

no i think i like yours more in general

not gonna lie

i hate dnite and wellspring alot so

hahaha

and im not fishing for burns, which i like

im happy the team did not need to change much, i think the team is quite interesting

either way tho, thanks !

[nocturne sable]

Wait hold on.

Change gambit to Tera dark here if you’re running black glasses.

Make conk Tera normal for facade

Tickle>scald Mola

[tepid hazel]

yeah i was thinking that as well. ok thx

[tepid hazel]

but like what about tera drag corv

ngl was never a fan

[nocturne sable]

Dragon corv is standard

[tepid hazel]

ig i dont ever rly tera corv since its the goat type anyways but yeah

yeah i never tera corv, like EVER

so niche lol

gotcha, thx

[nocturne sable]

It’s a decent Tera type for corv, although yea you rarely Tera corv unless you’re in deep soup

[tepid hazel]

yeah, but like srsly for heatran or smth? owo

ive never even seen it tera

EVER

[nocturne sable]

Woger mainly

It’s also a decent fire resist yea

And can bait thunderbolts from raging bolt when needed

[tepid hazel]

ohhhh, i didnt know that

makes sense

[quartz lark]

Throw out bolt, scor, corv for ghold, zama, tusk

Fix these sets:
play rough, power whip, swords dance over knock off, wood hammer, u-turn on woger.

Make gambit jolly max speed with this set:
Kingambit (F) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Supreme Overlord
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch
• Low Kick

This gives you more power whilst remaining durable

[limber spear]

isnt lowkick kinda bad on gambit now

[quartz lark]

For opposing

Take the risk if you will on ho

[limber spear]

i mean u got tusk and zama

[quartz lark]

It’s fine. The bulkier set is for ghold

[nocturne sable]

Low kick is really only used on jolly gambit so it’s fine

[quartz lark]

You can go iron head for clefable maybe

[limber spear]

thought it lost contraction recently but ig its like good for the dark dozos

[quartz lark]

Dozo never darks

[limber spear]

rlly?

[quartz lark]

Yes

[tepid hazel]

wtf is dark dozo what

[limber spear]

tera dark*

[quartz lark]

Tera dark

[tepid hazel]

no i meant like

why run dark on dozo

has no roles whatsoever

blissey would have it at stall

and theres alot of good dark types in the meta

[nocturne sable]

Okay so the problem with your team is that your team is built like a balance team and then you have a random ribombee that doesn’t fit at all. This can easily be converted to a balance team but it depends are you looking for webs offense or balance?

[nocturne sable]

Dark dozo is mainly for ghost like Ceruledge that have been on the rise

[tepid hazel]

oh i see, it sounds so unsuual tho

[nocturne sable]

Tera ghost polt hits really hard & crunch Tera dark dozo can KO it

[tepid hazel]

crunch dozo... dam

i am

not seeing dozo at all so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nor using 1

https://pokepast.es/7e201b0e06fb26bb

uh

well

i cooked

i am forcing garchomp, even tho idfk how to use my best pseudo boy

wait, nah yeah def my fave pseudo

ngl i kinda want discharge on moth..

[quartz lark]

Throw out quaquaval, moth for umbreon, tusk

Fix these sets:

swords dance over U-Turn on rilla, then give it life orb.

recover over focus blast on ghold

Make hatt rocket helmet with this set:

Hatterene @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Magic Bounce
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 Spe
Bold Nature

• Psychic Noise
• Draining Kiss
• Pain Split
• Nuzzle

[tepid hazel]

ok, thanks

[quartz lark]

This gives you proper removal while circumventing the ghold situation.

[tepid hazel]

umbreon set @quartz lark ?

theres no sample umber set

do i run wish protect foul play toxic or something

[quartz lark]

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Foul Play
• Protect
• Wish
• Thunder Wave

[tepid hazel]

idk

thanks

oh wow almost got it right

[quartz lark]

👍

Gonna be afk

[tepid hazel]

wait1!

shit

i forgot to ask tusk set

rip

ig just standard offensive utlity for now

yay i have a garchomp team now

[tepid hazel]

Balance

[tepid hazel]

I tried to assemble a balanced team.

I followed what I learned from Pinkacross.

[limber spear]

bee’s only niche is access to webs which is a ho so if u r using bee outside of webs ho then it isn’t worth it

[tepid hazel]

So how would it be?

[limber spear]

bee’s stats typing ability r all kinda mid and useless

outsides of skill swap and webs she doesn’t do much

stabs r bad and qd sets just ain’t it

so it can only be a web setter than can set webs on hatt

and on webs u want to go all out to make the full use of webs with sweppers that aren’t the fastest (tho can be fast)

[tepid hazel]

So, do I need to optimize the EVs and change the Ribbombe setup?

[nocturne sable]

Alright so.

https://pokepast.es/a1470a3fcf66afd0 something like this is what I would start with.

This is like a basic core of glowking+specs raging bolt(chilly receipton helps raging bolt get in safely) then the hazard removal core of tusk+corv to aid against spikes stack. There’s also kingambit for a late game cleaner then woger for utility+offensive pressure

[limber spear]

if u want to go for balance u gotta not use bee and get a better mon

[tepid hazel]

I want to use Raging Bolt. I know people have already used Galarian Slowking with it.

[tepid hazel]

it cost

[tepid hazel]

I FORGOT EARTHQUAKE DOES LESS DMG DUE TO RILLA

ok lemme change that

i replaced it with ogerpon wellsrping for now with pivoting

[quartz lark]

Use this

Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner

[quartz lark]

Keep rilla

[tepid hazel]

oh interesting ok, whats the interaction

oh really? ok

so i should rly just be using chomp eq for lead purposes

ok

ive never used umber before

i even have acat number umber

this is fucking awesome

[quartz lark]

The creep is for scarf rai after 2 rapids

[tepid hazel]

ok

noted

appreciated

wow that is so techy wtf

"after chip" but no my man knows that type of chip is needed goddamn

[nocturne sable]

?

[tepid hazel]

@quartz lark

my team is really weak to dragapult

uh

just thought oof pinging you my bad since u did suggest the cahnges...

https://pokepast.es/a1fef1fda2be7e77

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/53752bc2fce6eb03

[tepid hazel]

whoa is this advou did i see fpunch, goddamn

W team

[quartz lark]

0- Atk Umbreon Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 272-324 (85.8 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Umbreon: 160-189 (40.6 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[tepid hazel]

its mostly u-turn and the pviot sets givign me a hard time 😅

uh

yeah

is it just always kinda gonna suck then or is there anything i can do

[quartz lark]

play properly its not the teams fault

[tepid hazel]

yeah, valid... 🫠

so skill issue. wow

yeah i cannot find a chomp team

[quartz lark]

@nocturne sable what do you think of focus punch sub blaziken

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5601903c1615f9af

Hey guys, I put together a team to start competing. I've been looking into it and trying things out, and I'd like to get your feedback.

[rapid barn]

I wouldn’t put sash on darkrai

Also put flip turn on mola, it would make it a better pivot and makes it easier to wish pass safely

[tepid hazel]

I installed the Aqua Jet incorrectly.

[tepid hazel]

But otherwise, is it okay to start competing?

[rapid barn]

it should be alright if you are a new player

bit weak against wellspring

[tepid hazel]

I'm a new player, but is this team good to compete against?

or a building so strong because of the paradoxes and legendary?

Or does the team lack synergy?

[patent pilot]

This calc doesnt mean much when umbreon gets chunked by u-turn anyways

So yeah, a well played pult does kinda destroy this team

[quartz lark]

60 Atk Dragapult U-turn vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Umbreon: 114-136 (28.9 - 34.5%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

[patent pilot]

Thats still a decent chunk

Combined with the fact ur not boots, so umbreon takes rocks damage

Im telling you it'll add up if they play well

[quartz lark]

i think its fine if its only boots pult thats the problem

[nocturne sable]

Is Umbreon really going to be your teams main spdef Mon 😭😭😭.

This team also has non existent speed outside of grassy glide.

https://pokepast.es/6fbd5f965b106c58 I would just use a 6 like this it’s more flexible imo

[tepid hazel]

k, thx

[nocturne sable]

Focus sash on darkrai is fine

[nocturne sable]

I mean… it seems like cheese lol. Sub punch in 2026 is crazy although not sure if it’s more powerful than focus energy blaziken

[quartz lark]

252+ Atk Tera Fighting Blaziken Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 222-262 (44 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

This is pretty funny

Breloom from adv ou

252+ Atk Tera Fighting Blaziken Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 178-210 (35.3 - 41.6%) -- 80.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

This is even funnier

[tepid hazel]

serious?

[quartz lark]

And if focus energy is good:

252+ Atk Tera Fighting Blaziken Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo on a critical hit: 266-314 (52.7 - 62.3%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Pretty damn hilarious

[quartz lark]

It really only works against stall cause of the pace.

[nocturne sable]

Figured

[nocturne sable]

Yea it’s definitely usable

Darkrai is a good lead Pokemon so if you’re using it in that context sash can be useful

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5601903c1615f9af

I think that's the way I used it.

And I don't even know if the team has synergy among themselves.

and in the alomomola aqua jet and flip turn

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/f3ff8d3570585424

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat jackal]

Next attempt of making a hoopa team

My plan is to lead hoopa to deal some solid damage then clean up with the 3 phys attackers

[tepid hazel]

hoopa... lead?

dude there r so many hoopa unbound teams, u only really lead it in tr from what im aware but ok...

cant help im just... intrigued

[bright plinth]

guys who would be a better stealth rock setter other than skarmory in this team https://pokepast.es/5a23061aba567abd

[tepid hazel]

a tera hog that doesnt really sweep looks trash.... i think make that nasty plot not a pivot

and ditch knock off for coverage like f blast maybe??? i have used thundurus therian

hes rly good actually

just prefer him as a sweeeper, the pivoter is kinda, mediorce

this looks like offense...

you might like deoxys speed here? @bright plinth

just someone to consider

[bright plinth]

okay

[tepid hazel]

and use assault vest on samurott

boots does nothing @bright plinth

thats my recommendations for ur squad? :D

im not good btw im a 1580s peak here

i just teambuild.. ALOT

[bright plinth]

nah knock off is doing wonders

[tepid hazel]

also flip turn instead of kncok off @bright plinth

[bright plinth]

okay got it

[bright plinth]

i need as many opinions as possible

[tepid hazel]

but knock off does do nothing to a sweeper imo, it is viable like a clef esk sweeper but i persoanlyl dont use it 🤔

[tepid hazel]

ok :D

so at least u have a pivoter with my recommendations

also, im stealing ur team

lol

i msotly use thundurus at natdexou actually for hpice

its... wonky but its aight

[bright plinth]

lol if u can make it work tell me

[tepid hazel]

gotta keep in mind that ur team really hates kyurem but yeah

just, keep taht in mind

so u can run someone that checks kyurem instead of deo speed actually

you also want speed control so

soemthing that fits 2 of those roles

[bright plinth]

just destroyed a kyurem team

[tepid hazel]

isntead of deo speed, with rocks

[tepid hazel]

no i meant like defensively

u really hate ice ground

anyways

🤔

am i high lol

liek i said im not that good 😆

[bright plinth]

i was thinking garnacol

[tepid hazel]

oooh, that does answer kyurem in a pinch yeah

ill use garga too

cool

[bright plinth]

no problems imma see what someone else thinks too but thank u

[tepid hazel]

yep, sorry for flooding here hahaha

i kinda wanna mess around with deoxys speed tho ngl...

it sounds fun with this offensive cores u got

[bright plinth]

its okay

[tepid hazel]

EW

WHY R U RUNNING HEX T WAVE

im sorry

i have

a bias

against it

i think its bad

[bright plinth]

try it and tell me the results

[tepid hazel]

will do

[bright plinth]

imma be honest its holding the team together

[tepid hazel]

i like ice beam on deoxys speed but idk knock off is prob better and psycho boost...

[tepid hazel]

w deo speed i think speed control is more managable

anyways, at least w my version i just want everyone to hit hard

and really almost lean into hyper

wait

my team is basically hyper

i jsut realized lmfao

[bright plinth]

hyper hazard stack ??

[tepid hazel]

ok im running screens instead? idk 😆

let me cook LMFAO

[tepid hazel]

no its just spikes

god what have i made

[bright plinth]

ain't gonna hold u back

[tepid hazel]

it just looks.. interesting 😂

im thinking if i want other coverage other than focus miss

since i really

REALLY dont wanna run focus miss lmfao

huh

fuck

@bright plinth ur right at svou? knock off is best

knock off is the play

eyo wtf u cookin

W

none of the coverage do anything

bolt beam cooks everyone lol

[bright plinth]

yeah ik (i have no idea what i did right)

[tepid hazel]

at natdex tho u need focus miss

which is goddamn annoying 😂

but oh well rip

hm i dont like gliscor at ur team

thundurus is already the electric immune so

[bright plinth]

i just like gliscor a lot tbh i made the team around it

[tepid hazel]

i dont like what im cooking anymore. lol

hahaha

but uh ye rn im cooking a mgarde team for natdex actually

since for some reaso nthey refuse to remove it at the vr

[bright plinth]

if anyone has any other changes for me please feel free to do so

[flat jackal]

Yeeah not quite leading i was gonna say using hoopa early int he game

[tepid hazel]

? i didnt get this message whatsoever.

[flat jackal]

Like i usually bring out lando or sth to pivot on hoopa early on in the game

[tepid hazel]

oh u mean a wall breaker then -w-

🤦

[flat jackal]

Yeah

[tepid hazel]

yet it wears an assault vest

💀

run smth else

if thats what u want hoopa to do

wow

just run like scarf u turn or something

if u want it to anti lead

anyways

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flat jackal]

Wait hoopa got u turn?

[tepid hazel]

no experience w hoopa

i think so?

no it doesnt

i got ur hopes up my bad @flat jackal

[flat jackal]

No worries

Tho im still not sure if the team seems solid

Or hoopa fits here

[tepid hazel]

i can build one for u 😛

we can build it together

if u want

[flat jackal]

Awesome! Just that im having dinner soon so maybe later?

When do u have time?

[tepid hazel]

yeah eyah just dm me !

i have insomnia

i am chronically online

uh

anytime really

[flat jackal]

Aight aight

[elfin quail]

https://pokepast.es/e059191411c161c4

revise HO team

[quartz lark]

Fix these sets:

Make lando helmet with this set:

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Stone Edge
• U-turn

Give Zamazenta Heavy-duty Boots

Otherwise team is fine.

[quartz lark]

please don't give advice if you aren't familiar with the tier, tera ice is very good for gliscor whilst letting the builder forego grass knot for utility, as it still deals with ting-lu relatively well. thundurus-t is an excellent pivoter and its low base speed of 101 is not exactly appealing as a sweeper. this is balanced offense, not outright offense. dexoys-speed is not needed here, the team composition is already fine. they shouldnt go assault vest on samu when the hazard situation is abhorrent. what they should instead is replace skarm for corv and make gliscor the primary rock setter with a special wall set. flip turn is really only for assault vest, which i just explained how trash that is here. hex t wave is used on bulky gholds to make use of its bulk whilst keeping power.

I really don't like any of your points and you should learn how to rate better. @bright plinth's team is fine.

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would have gone a more hazard stacking route with AV hoops but I think the team is still fine if you just made Lando-T rocks

[flat jackal]

got it

[quartz lark]

Throw out Glimmora, Iron Moth for woger, alolan-ninetails, converting this into screens HO

Fix these sets:

1. Tusk
   Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
   Ability: Protosynthesis
   EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
   Tera Type: Ice
   Jolly Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner
• Rapid Spin
• Stealth Rock

2. Ceruledge
   Ceruledge @ Life Orb
   Ability: Weak Armor
   EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
   Tera Type: Ghost
   Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Sneak
• Poltergeist

3. Iron Valiant
   Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
   Ability: Quark Drive
   EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
   Tera Type: Ghost
   Timid Nature

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Encore

[nocturne sable]

???? Why would you throw out glimmora on any HO team let alone a screens HO team.

Glimmora is very essential on screens team as hazard control as it absorbs Tspikes, removes hazards & can set hazards up as well

[quartz lark]

It was the no earth immunity

prob ceru can go instead

[nocturne sable]

If you’re converting this to screens Ho all you do is drop moth for deoxys-speed & make ceru like a dragonite or something.

Very similar to this screens sample team: https://pokepast.es/48da37e8aa511403

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/22ee9f3a28be8849

[regal ginkgo]

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[tepid hazel]

and usable?

[nocturne sable]

What irks me with this 6 is the match up into special attackers like raging bolt, walking wake, etc. you have nothing that wants to be taking Draco meteors on switch in and you let bolt in for free with stuff like skarm.

https://pokepast.es/e120a1d8348dafed I would just run something like this for now.

I replace skarmory for clef as clef actually gives you a way of switching into dragons+CM clef also makes for a decent wincon

And I changed Gliscor to rocks for now. Kept eq for stuff like bolt

[nocturne sable]

Btw I feel like this is kinda harsh. Although he was clogging up the channel and gave some nooby advice not all of his points were bad. Thundy-T is a mediocre pivot at best it’s frail and not fast enough natural to be a consistent threat in the meta. There is a reason bro is like C- on the VR rankings and not a popular choice on common team structures. Also deoxys speed is actually a decent recommendation here it can fit on hazard stacking structures like these if you’re running the utility set with knock off, rocks, etc. + deo provides speed control here.

Though I do agree that AV hamu is not ideal here given the hazard situation of this team

[bright plinth]

u removed sucker punch from Samurott, could i bring it back if i wanted ?

[bright plinth]

yeah i agree i just wanted opinions, all this was just needless harshness

[quartz lark]

I see. I'll try to hold back next time.

[nocturne sable]

Oh did I? Oh yes I just loaded the smogon Hamurott boots set.

Usually they run these movesets. Now looking at it you probably want aqua cutter here to avoid contact effects from moltres.

Encore is nice for stall MU against dozo mola and stuff.

Ig if you’re struggling without sucker you can try and put it back over encore.

[bright plinth]

imma try encore for a couple of matches, and should i put aqua cutter instead of Razor Shell?

[nocturne sable]

Ye

Aqua cutter because it’s non contact

[bright plinth]

okay thanks

[bright plinth]

is clef really the best for this team? i played a couple of matches and it was doing nothing. do u have any other recommendations or am i just using it wrong

[nocturne sable]

Really? CM clef is usually a good wincon. Clef also helps absorb knock off

How was it doing nothing, were the matchups really bad?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/eb6b3d3631e7ce82

[young gust]

alr thx

[bright plinth]

maybe its a skill issue from me

[bright plinth]

but now that i think about it i didn't go against any dark or dragon mons, imma play more but if u have any suggestions, please tell me

[fallen coyote]

Can someone give me a hand

[sullen terrace]

hows this look

[nocturne sable]

This is interesting, I like the colour scheme. Not completely sure about the defensive utility here though.

If youre trying to use jirachi it should probably be spdef invested here as it’s defensive profile allows it to check fairies like enam, ival(non knock at least, can potentially cover it up with colbur) hatterene, etc. also allows you to switch in on Draco meteors and stuff when needed. I feel like this team is more suited to go for a more hazard stacking route so Jirachi should probably be your stealth rocks setter for now so drop Twave for stealth rocks.

Dragapult here should probably be its boots hex set here since it usually pairs well with toxic Gliscor & Hstack boot teams in general.

Latios set is kinda mid & I feel like it’s the most replaceable here. Kinda overlapping with Dragapult for weaknesses.

I think defensive boots slither wing is not a bad option here? Helps patch up some of your teams weakness to physical attackers like Ogerpon-wellspring, great tusk, kingambit, etc. I can definitely see it working here.

Btw in the future it’s recommended you send a pokepaste to show your teams in this channel

[regal ginkgo]

This command has been removed please use !psteams or !shareteam.

[sullen terrace]

Before I read this I wanna say thank you for taking the time to help me :D

[nocturne sable]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[sullen terrace]

Ok great thanks

[nocturne sable]

Np! Btw one more thing is that the Dragapult MU seems kinda rough here so you can make darkrai choice scarf to patch that up a bit

[sullen terrace]

Oh ok

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/14960d48164f826b

[regal ginkgo]

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[bronze geyser]

https://pokepast.es/c287d657563adc10

Enamorus is epic
Set up on the lead and sweep

[nocturne sable]

Bro seriously needs the LO on treads too 😂

[heady carbon]

half of the team gets countered by fairy

[cold cosmos]

for sure

[quartz lark]

If Ash came out of retirement to dominate the verse once again.
https://pokepast.es/60f9f9a798f94a0a

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/3d4a0334ac4dcb6f

[dark slate]

https://pokepast.es/b5663d9f671b4950

[astral flame]

https://pokepast.es/f1e81d888a1a5a96
I am making it based on hisiuan samurott with swords dance so i dont want to change that pokemon

[quartz lark]

Iron Treads -> Great Tusk

Drops the 3x weakness to ground to 2x.
Drops the 3x weakness to fighting to 2x.
Increases the 3x weakness to fairy to 4x. For this, Darkrai's Sludge Bomb, and Kingambit's Iron Head are invaluable.

Kingambit's 44 Spe -> 48 Spe, (212 HP -> 208 HP consequently)

Lets Gambit outspeed other 44 Spe invested Gambits.

[astral flame]

this make sense, any great tusk set in particular sound good?

[quartz lark]

Great Tusk @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner
• Stealth Rock

[astral flame]

fire ty

[quartz lark]

👍

[jade cedar]

fancy writing

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/f57e957c88189453 just a balance that wound up with three steels. Thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

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[alpine furnace]

do I have enough hazard removal to run specs kyurem here https://pokepast.es/3b18f21efa69d8ec

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would just make corv brave bird defog U-turn roost here to make your MU into wogerpon better Id body press fog just seems like awkward role compression.

I would also replace scizor with zamazenta here. I think boots roar zama wouldn’t be bad here.

I would also make Dragapult its choice band set here. Forming that nice classic volt turn core with iron crown.

Lastly I would try out primarinas defensive cm sub set with psynoise(torrent to hit Toxapex) & draining kiss & just make ting Lu Tera water.

[low phoenix]

this is like vanilla great tusk

its good

[nocturne sable]

I think cinderace & kingambit would probably be a better fit here than pult & woger but outside of that team looks normal.

I would make great tusk helmet here to have an extra way of punishing contact.

[low phoenix]

you dont really have any real ground switchins

you can try sp. def moltres and idbp zamazenta over dragapult and darkrai respectively

[deep locust]

Why Roar Zama over Scizor and Tera water Ting-Lu?

[toxic smelt]

Offensive Heatran BO
https://pokepast.es/21026ef5aad68683

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9c283e6e4d61a4cf

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ff6203de85f79705

[nocturne sable]

Because Tera water ting Lu improves your match up into walking wake+rain MU.

Scizor because it was the most replaceable here. And as I said before body press defog corv was awkward role compression so I added zama to be the fighting type here to deal with stuff like kingambit & such.

[deep locust]

Ok makes sense

Thank you for the advice

[royal compass]

https://pokepast.es/c03342d8651e4f77
Someone rate my baby mons team. Ive gotten a couple wins with it. Open to how I can improve it. I just like making fun unique teams

[regal ginkgo]

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[royal compass]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2517162341
Heres an example game

[nocturne sable]

Cool team. Unfortunately we can’t really rate non competitive teams like this. Usually we will just tell you to use samples

[chilly tundra]

Why is screens so popular recently?

[chilly tundra]

This scizor set is criminal

[jade cedar]

bc it's effective

[chilly tundra]

I know that, but what happened to cause screens to become REALLY popular?

[jade cedar]

idk, probably just a trend rising like usual

[chilly tundra]

I think it was also helped by Blunder showcasing the OU series and the final match was screens vs. screens

[low phoenix]

A lot of sweepers that become very annoying to stop once screens are setup

[chilly tundra]

Like galarian moltres, bulk up ceruledge, and Ironpress Zama?

[low phoenix]

Life orb ceruledge is the trending set rn

But yes

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/bb56113ff0e0574d

Did I cook or nah? If I didn’t, how can I fix this?

Wait, hydrapple doesn’t fit

I need a guy with knock

[round rover]

Idt you really need one, since you are a bulky team with no hazard stack, its okay

Have you tried Foul Play > Shadow Ball on Pecha? Since you are Tera Dark

I dont usually like Mandi but ig it does its job fine here as a Gambit check, since those teams tend to struggle a bit vs it

I would try at least bulkier Treads I think

Stuff like this is very weak to like CM Hatterene, NP Bulky Dengo, GMoltres kinda stuff, but Idt there is much to do without altering the team a fair bit

Hydrapple is okay here as a balance breaker. I was thinking its also your way of beating Curse / ID Garg, probably Dozo, helps against CB Ttar

[spiral berry]

Could I get a rating for this team I built? Anything in particular to fix? https://pokepast.es/a72e1d7bf12038e0

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

booster raging bolt never wants to use volt switch

should be tbolt

oger should be standard sd

kingambit doesnt have to be glasses on sticky web since you usually stack a lot of breakers anyway

you could be like low kick or fairy blast for example or just a regular lefties set

[spiral berry]

oh yeah I do lose proto boost if I switch out 💀

[final relic]

ribombee should be tera ghost i think you forgot its tera

[spiral berry]

I did...

[final relic]

psynoise can be dropped for skill swap

but its ok to also drop stun spore

[spiral berry]

could I drop stun spore for skill swap?

[nocturne sable]

Usually you can interchange psychic noise, skill swap, stun spore yea

Psynoise+skill swap is valid

Btw on web structures rock coverage tusk is usually preferred to lure in and kill moltres, Zapdos, etc @spiral berry

You would use it over knock off

[chilly tundra]

Y’all, is there a way to use Mandbuzz in OU outside of stall?

[nocturne sable]

You can use it on some balances

[chilly tundra]

Idk how I’d necessarily build around it though. Maybe it + an offensive mon that happens to cover for its weaknesses

[limber spear]

fats can afford it with its good compression of ghost resist flyer (defogger knock toxic) utility and a pon check (or gambit check depending on set)

[chilly tundra]

May you give suggestions on team comp?

[limber spear]

can go the more orthodox fat h stack route or smth

like knock absorbers like skarm clef and then spikers

and go boots spam

[chilly tundra]

Sounds interesting

[chilly tundra]

How’s this?

https://pokepast.es/193c82b87ce28fd1

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

uh idk not a fan of scizor nowadays and on fat h stack but prolly fine as win con? fairy mu looks annoying but maybe it’s fine

[chilly tundra]

What do you suggest in place of scizor + other replacements your think are good?

I was thinking replace Pech with Ghold and have the speed demon be pult instead of Zama

[limber spear]

i can’t rate teams but let’s try dengo>scizor and like dnite>pech?

[limber spear]

can go pult but idk how well mandi ting can hold against gambit

[chilly tundra]

I do have iron defense + foul play

[limber spear]

i mean it’s checking pon at the same time

but prolly fine

stacking double ghost double dark prolly is fine tho

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/05d8e520a3ddb69f

[chilly tundra]

This is what I think is decent

[limber spear]

go dtail dnite

better set on h stack

[chilly tundra]

Thunder wave, ESpeed, dragon tail, roost?

[limber spear]

roost tail e speed smth prolly like eq?

follow the smogon set i forgot

😭 😭

[chilly tundra]

Anyone know how to build a hydrapple team? I’ve been trying for months but nothing has worked

[jade cedar]

usually bulky teams like bulky offense and bulky balance, but if you're really struggling I recommand you to use a sample team, there is a one with hydra so it should give you an idea

[limber spear]

better in comp gen but can try apple in sand as the pon check but most of they time u would get into the sample with av glowking and moltres

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/112c2b53ff49dc7d uh hazard imcoming ig

pjab clod for hatt mu bug is zama tusk tera ground on mola for bolt and yeah

[alpine furnace]

Mandibuzz actually has a niche now? When was this? Thought it was basically unviable in SV OU

[limber spear]

its still fat af

[alpine furnace]

Ye but previously I didn't even see anyone trying to talk abt it. Not complaining, I love that mon and I can see it going really well with like glowking and clef

[chilly tundra]

I wanna build my own team with it

But don’t really know where to start

[alpine furnace]

Apple+glowking+bulky water (primarina/alomamola) is a solid start for a defensive core

[chilly tundra]

I have that core down actually, specifically using AV Mola, but idk how I wanna add offensive pressure

[alpine furnace]

Sub+protect kyurem is food on bulkier balance teams that want to play the long game, though then you'll havs to figure out who's going to be your main source of hazard removal which can be done with bulky pivot cinderace, great tusk, corviknight, or even hatterene

Great tusk probably doesn't hurt here and its reliable hazard removal so that could be a good place to start

It also helps you set hazards yourself

Now for the last mon I suggest some kind of speed control, like boots 4/3 attack zamazenta or boots dragapult.

And allow me to say that while I am giving advice, using a sample team is still probably a better way to learn the tier and its threats. Since building a team is only half of it. You can have a great team and still not get anywhere.

[chilly tundra]

Should I use glowking? I am already using 2 Regen mons

Alo + Apple

[alpine furnace]

Thats up to you, if you don't use glowking then kyurem can be subbed for something different but glowking does give you a way to remove toxic spikes without risking tusk's health, future sight pressure, and thunder wave as a way to help with speed control, on top of a way to change weather.

But if you want to run something like

Hydrapple, tusk, alomomola, boots dragapult, kingambit, and an additional last mon then thats fair

[limber spear]

that would be a flyer

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm does tornadus T work here? Gives knock, u turn pivot, taunt into popular hazard setters

[chilly tundra]

Boots or AV?

[alpine furnace]

I'd say boots because you already have AV alomomola

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/0ca276b9e5125cea

Here’s the team

[alpine furnace]

Might want tusk to be the defensive set but other than that, its up to the raters.

Also might wanna pack lowkick on kingambit for other kingambit

[chilly tundra]

What’s the defensive set?

The rocky helmet one?

[true lodge]

psychic seed is useless if hes inner focus

and fake out is useless if hes terrain

it would affect only flying/levitate mons

[final relic]

wrong channel

#1051236342740308089 scroll down to vgc rates

[low phoenix]

Team seems pretty reasonable

[weak oxide]

https://pokepast.es/19072018cbf1deba

[regal ginkgo]

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[weak oxide]

new to gen 9 ou is this a good team for learning?

im not sure how to lead tho

i usually lead with garganacl

ik its situation based

but he has rocks

[final relic]

i dont like mixed def wish mola much

the set itself is fine though

relying on garg + that to check special attackers is a recipe for disaster though

[weak oxide]

im not sure where i got the team from

i think its from pinkacros

on youtube

[final relic]

usually these teams like to have a few things such as 2 removal options

[weak oxide]

removal of hazards?

[nocturne sable]

2 forms of hazard removal options

Could be hatt tusk

For example

[final relic]

im pretty sure youre only supposed to send your own teams in here as well

but yeah you typically want two removers + a backup spdef guy like ting lu to beat stuff the garg cant

[weak oxide]

i have 3 boots mons, rock resist and garg who is immune to toxic

im not having issues with it yet

well im still low

im like 1300 coming from a 2050 peak on ranbats

[final relic]

the reason you need this is that garg hates hazards and losing its leftovers

tusk alone will get worn down too fast to reliably remove over the course of a game

[alpine furnace]

Yes

[viral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c08502d2bc35a559
sub cm glaceon veil (with ice body, lefties, and gterrain) speed evs to outspeed iron crown after a mud shot

willing to drop quaq rilla and darkrai, i struggle w tspikes and hazards in general

[nocturne sable]

Yea I was about to say

Listen glaceon cheese is doable but you kinda need a support system around it

I think hatt wouldn’t be a bad decision here

[limber spear]

yay bump

[low phoenix]

What is each Mon trying to do

I’m confused on this team

[limber spear]

so i tried cyclizar in stall -> therefore weezing for double removal->i need a flyer and hazard and a more solid woger check to aid weezing so skarm

and then the other 3 was for sr in clod wishpass and ghost resist in umbry and sun check in mola but i was suggested with those 3 mons

there was also a tempered flare over draco on cycle to punish dengo for spin blocking

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/81f98da10fd5bcdd

[regal ginkgo]

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[chilly tundra]

I would say run SpDef Gliscor and PhysDef Corv

But overall nice team

It’s just a little slow

[chilly tundra]

Did it work?

[limber spear]

that was jus the building process

[chilly tundra]

Oh ok

[quartz lark]

Yeah no

[chilly tundra]

Why?

[limber spear]

is this not fucked by like dengo h stack

[quartz lark]

Yeah no

[chilly tundra]

It really is. Air balloon Bold Ghold is a struggle

[quartz lark]

Is it really? Take a closer look

[limber spear]

wish on clef is prolly weird and crown seems out of place smh for me

[quartz lark]

Not really

[chilly tundra]

Crown is meant to be on more offensive teams. I would suggest a different special breaker because Crown doesn’t really last long enough

[quartz lark]

Usually yes

Its fine but what do you suggest

[limber spear]

phy def corv spdef scor dengo>crown and sr on clef and spikes on lu?

for a conventional fat h stack

[chilly tundra]

Corv shouldn’t be on hstack

[limber spear]

can just go for a woger check for that slot

[quartz lark]

Hmm. fairly standard but aren't the right sets for what I'm building here

[chilly tundra]

Wouldn’t Pech be better?

[limber spear]

can go pech and then a kyurem check on the crown slot yeah

or sinistcha works

[chilly tundra]

Zamazenta instead of crown maybe?

It also gives much needed speed

[limber spear]

then no kyurem check

[chilly tundra]

Is it not a Kyurem check?

[quartz lark]

Not needed when strong priority is available and zama and nite dont need to be here

[chilly tundra]

Wait…SCIZOR

[limber spear]

yeah u cant rlly deal with sub tect in a long term and nor r u av to slightly aid that

[quartz lark]

It wont get worn down with wish as well as it being generally decent into hazards

[chilly tundra]

Ok

Yo, is semi-stall a viable option to play? Or is it too niche in the face of actual stall and/or bulky HStack

[viral cosmos]

hatts always good yea

https://pokepast.es/f1959cfc0f47d8d8 i had to slot zarude last bc i needed a ghost ground AND water resust

[final relic]

very slow + gliscor and clef dont exactly thrive with rocks only

[chilly tundra]

SD Scor is good on bulky HStack

[final relic]

Yes but like I said they have only rocks here

anyway you usually should commit to the hstack route or lean into removal + add some breakers

[quartz lark]

Alright cool.

[dark slate]

Can someone rate my team pls

Im 1700 Point

But im stuck pls help me

https://pokepast.es/a6fe2d83b64d34ea

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/6930932470fef41d are hazards necessary on this team?

[nocturne sable]

This is a cheesy team for sure. How did you handle the speed problem especially with no trick room?

[rich scaffold]

https://pokepast.es/e0932ca25e65470a
Offense I wanted to combine Scizor, Bolt + Greninja on. Nothing crazy, was just wanting people's thoughts on mon/set alterations they would make. Thnx!

[jade cedar]

rocks are definitely needed here, your team plan seems to go for the long game so you definitely need hazard, although spikes wouldn't hurt too

[alpine furnace]

Hmm maybe I could run something like

Ting lu
Glowking
Alomomola
Zamazenta
Rillaboom
Kyurem

Either that or goldengo > alomomola for anti defog and spin

maybe like this instead? I feel like rillaboom + subtect kyurem could work well together https://pokepast.es/490e803a5c5f010d

landurous might work over ting lu

or this https://pokepast.es/54cd431a79fceef9

[regal ginkgo]

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[inner terrace]

extender is kinda a bad item on rilla

imo

esp on this structure

where theres not a lotta abusers

you could make gking like a torn, av torn

and then ghold can hold grassy seed

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/cf4a3c56dd78831e

[jade cedar]

ok before I judge I'm a little confused here, literally what's cyc's role here?

[quartz lark]

sub endeavour taunt, ill let you figure that out

[jade cedar]

I have an idea but don't you like u-turn or something?

[quartz lark]

thats the usual set

[jade cedar]

idk never seen this set in OU, it looks like the one in an RU set but it has u-turn
Cyclizar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Jolly Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Taunt or Double Edge

[quartz lark]

uh huh

[nocturne sable]

He’s trying some sub cheese with cyclizar

[jade cedar]

oh the 🧀

[nocturne sable]

Honestly it’s ass but I can see it working against specific styles like ghostless stall

[quartz lark]

it's pretty funny against ting lu

[nocturne sable]

Deadbeat into most BO teams though, team is kinda too slow

[quartz lark]

I can prob just put a darkrai over ghold

[jade cedar]

mews is having a field day with this

[quartz lark]

mews?

[jade cedar]

Meowscarada, your whole team except for treads is weak to his most common moves, also it outspeeds everything

[quartz lark]

prob make treads a corv and then keep the rai change

also treads isnt good against scarada

it invites it in

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/8d0082f1f8f853bd I was thinking something roughly like this. Cyclizar set feels awkward but it’s wtv

[jade cedar]

not good but like the only thing in my mind that has a chance against it

[quartz lark]

thats a scretch

[quartz lark]

ok not bad

[chilly tundra]

I’d prob Draco and U-turn over endeavor and sub

[quartz lark]

huh

thats the identity of the tech

[nocturne sable]

He wants to use sub endeavor cyclizar

[chilly tundra]

Oh

[novel sky]

Hello! I have been trying to use a Ting Lu team in OU as I get back into it, but I can't quite get down the rest. Can I get a rating and ask whatever is best to fix? https://pokepast.es/e153ccc287d759a0

[nocturne sable]

The idea is not bad here for sure the problem here is there’s a lot of overlaps

3 defensive flying types on the same team is kinda over doing it

[novel sky]

I know that for sure, but I was not sure which to go with and the other mons I’ve tried i don’t think I knew what sets to use

Would you know who the odd one or ones are in the lineup?

[nocturne sable]

There is a few ting Lu teams in sample. Ting Lu is pretty much usable on almost every balance/BO team. Usually it pairs well with hazard stacking teams.

https://pokepast.es/b6c4532595bee150 something like this 6 I made up in the builder could be a decent start

I think choice band zama can also work here

[errant vale]

https://pokepast.es/19d539481ecc1fdf

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[errant vale]

what can i fix

[final relic]

make it a normal ironpress zama set

[errant vale]

yea changed

[final relic]

np tornadus should have either gknot/heatwave or fblast/darkpulse as coverage

not gknot + fblast

[errant vale]

ok

ill add hw instead

[final relic]

you also want tera steel usuallu

[errant vale]

yea

[final relic]

tickle over scald on alo

idt you need low kick ttar it can just be regular ice beam

[errant vale]

i was

but ttar mirror

but lando and chomp snipe

[final relic]

gliscor has an insane matchup into this already and it definitely comes up more often than another ttar

[errant vale]

prob works better

[errant vale]

yea

also abt the goodra set

what can change

[final relic]

see the issue is idt goodra really does that much for you here

[errant vale]

yea

was gonna try do a funny sand goodra thing but needs a wish

or is useless

rly needs to be full or nearly

or doesnt check checks

[final relic]

it doesnt really check the things you need to

[quartz lark]

if you want to run a steel special wall, particularly a special wall on sand just run corv

[final relic]

tornadus can be assault vest and goodra can be replaced for hydrapple

[errant vale]

maybe

gives me a wincon

[final relic]

actually that might just be the punny team in samples

[errant vale]

that isnt torn

[final relic]

what you have now should work reasonably well

[errant vale]

yea ill ladder

steel or fairy drapple

[quartz lark]

steel

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/3cf7e4fa1f1140ba

[low phoenix]

I think this is like the umpteenth time you’ve built around hamurott

You really love him as ur fav mon don’t u

Don’t see too many issues with this team to the point

Just test it see what feels good

[final relic]

weezing seems like a really unplayable mu

you could try flip turn over razor shell

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/f9cac1fd5c82d0da is this cook 😭

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I think Lando Ghold can make gweez mu workable no?

[final relic]

you havent got a knock absorb

like if rocks go up both sides and altaria cant defog for whatever reason its not good for you

[limber spear]

er

rest lu?

or what a simple solution

mola>prima?

just worried that mono altar is too weak for a pon check(but zama is soft check

[final relic]

could work but that costs you a lot of offensive pressure

[limber spear]

erm offensive ace and zama then i go mola

then stall mu is pathetic

https://pokepast.es/19e8a7820e120dae

or coat dengo works here too i think

[past arrow]

im a rlly new player, i just made this sun team for doubles is it any good? https://pokepast.es/753cf490ab3d253c

[snow vale]

https://pokepast.es/3d4a20e13050d54a
i'm having some issues w gambit should i put cc on scizor?

[chilly tundra]

Y’all, is boots Raging Bolt viable? I’ve seen it a bit recently

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/2e34a4c565f56ebd

I just cooked this up, any good?

[zenith seal]

https://pokepast.es/a808ffbb109f92dd My first attempt at a rain team, pex definitely feels like it ruins the flow but idk what else to put, would appreciate any help

[quartz lark]

The Uncrowned Kings

https://pokepast.es/5cf88012893d764f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[round rover]

SpDef Corviknight likes Brave Bird a bit more, just solid damage overall and will help vs Rilla

Not a big fan of Tera Water + SD Facade on Gliscor

Probably just Tera Normal is nice, or like Knock + Eq since gliscor is supposed to help vs gambit but you can't actually hit it super effectively here

Dengo > Crown is cool in these kinds of teams usually, spinblocker, improves your matchup against Zama, which can be randomly very annoying if its a Heavy Slam variant

Do be careful about Wellspring and Rilla still

[round rover]

Gambit is used sometimes, it appreciates how rain abusers have strong matchups against most of its checks like Tusk, Lando, Moltres, and provides a Shadow Ball resist

You could try max speed Timid Zapdos, Idt the bulk is super helpful and being faster than Tusk, Dengo, Lando is cool.

Treads often runs spdef cause its tasked with taking on Bolt, Fairy attacks like Enamorus's Moonblast, Draco Meteor, and a bit with Kyurem. You could try that, see how it feels

I'd probably restrict to 1 choiced user, Barra is also nice with Mystic Water for example, and Poison Jab is usually good to hit Wellspring. Not much that Psychic Fangs hits, mostly Toxapex and Ig Screens

Rain isnt very common but here is a team that was popular a while ago, could help with some pointers https://pokepast.es/3e80becf55e612a2

[round rover]

Hazards also look very rough. I feel like Tusk > Scizor could be good for removal, gambit check, and would improve your bolt matchup a fair bit

Scizor is generally just not the best removal cause of dengo, mainly physdef dengo. It can often work paired with other removal, or on more offensive teams that dont give the opponent many chances for hazards, but Mola and Pecha will give them space to set them up

[quartz lark]

Forgot to change tera to normal from the imported sets. I prefer crown when I have pult. I prefer body press over brave bird when technically bb is better paired with lefties. But since this isnt stall corv has to pull its weight a little bit more for that kyurem. Tera dragon with brave bird is for a woger switch in but its fine sine ill just u turn into pult.

[round rover]

Its also about just bpress being kinda eh with spdef, as you dont threaten too much, gambit can stomach one fairly easily

spdef corvi is cool here for kyu i agree

crown is okay, i'd probably just do wisp pult at the very worst cause of zama

[quartz lark]

i like wisp but i dont like tera fire zama

[round rover]

the upside is that heavy slam + tera fire zama is very rare

smth like this https://pokepast.es/da023ded649fbc23

Seems very hard to go vs

These teams can also use Unaware Clef and that just hard walls ID Zama post tera, but its trickier to use for sure

[quartz lark]

mhm magic guard is preffered when the hazard situation is limiting i still have two knock absorbers after the change but then corv is prob gonna be gweezing and i dont wanna go that route cause then i prob wont like the team

[round rover]

Idt you need to change to gweezing, just boots clef works since yeah you have absorbers elsewhere

but I get it, just throwing ideas

[quartz lark]

uh huh

tera electic is good its just not seen

like tera electric dozo for example

[chilly tundra]

https://pokepast.es/c4eeb52b53ea1251

How’s this?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a7b3a0f9345f396f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

I think hydrapple works as an ogerpon resist over great tusk

Then make zama boots

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/c1bfbc000c496129

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This is fine, chilly reception on av glowking is suspect since you're counting on getting hit with knock off which is not ideal so you either make it boots or slot coverage like ice beam, I prefer the former here tho, you also have a lot of offensive pieces but not a lot to really facilitate them, another pivot would be nice maybe over one of your physical attackers? Smth like zapdos could slot over dnite as a ground immunity for example

I think you can defo mix and match

It's just facilitating your offensive mons so that you don't have to sack one to bring another in or like take a big hit on switchin

[tepid hazel]

i use chilly reception to like counter weather teams too

https://pokepast.es/d9fcfde5ac332371
how bout now?

[jade cedar]

can't skarm just wall woger? also I feel like I would need removal

[limber spear]

96 speed doesn’t wall it that well and risky vs sd (like a bit)

idbp also risks like encore taunt sets shutting it down but prolly just burn your tera is fine atp

[jade cedar]

ohhh ok, still what about removal

[limber spear]

so basically all mons r nearly boots besides dengo and lu which both resists rock and for ting lu it’s fairly simple for why it prefers lefties even on boots spam

[jade cedar]

also knock off is necessary since a lot of mons do use it

[limber spear]

there also a knock absorber and prolly dengo can be boots np t wave hex or smth ig for better stall mu and can also get boots

u gotta rely on scizor sadly ig

[lost folio]

What should I correct?

[jade cedar]

no efficient ground immunity, ghold won't cut it especailly two of your important mons are weak to ground, make mola an av torn-t

[lost folio]

I want a mon with wish

[jade cedar]

I mean if so then make tusk corv, although you would need another rocker

[limber spear]

prolly can take out dengo for like tres

wish pass isn’t that good on bolt then but prolly works

glasses gambit for stall mu

[jade cedar]

the team feel really specially weak

[limber spear]

can just go spdef tres then

improve kyurem fairy mu and other stuffs

[lost folio]

Thats what i was thinking tbh (i was considering making raging bolt av but unsure)

[jade cedar]

which is why I recommended av torn

[lost folio]

Replacting tusk?

[jade cedar]

mola, without tusk you lack removal and an electric immunity

[lost folio]

I still want a wish mon if possible tbh

[jade cedar]

if so either meows or bolt has to go for something like enam

[limber spear]

things like jirachi might work

if volt turn+ wish pass

[lost folio]

Alr thx ill think about it

[nocturne sable]

In the future send pokepaste, but this is almost relatively standard. I would simply just replace gholdengo for moltres here & just make mola av

Btw would probably prefer lefties Tera fire gambit here over black glasses

[spiral berry]

Hi yall, hope you're having a good day/night. Just built a new gen9ou team in order to try and climb the ladder. I would like some feedback and tips for improvements of this team I cooked up: https://pokepast.es/4d9595134b70d231

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

First of all, what Mon/core are you trying to build around. BO usually has an established core that they build around

This team doesn’t look like it has a proper identity

[spiral berry]

I was trying to build around rillaboom/ursaluna since grassy terrain can offput the burn damage ursa would take from the flame orb while still receiving the benefits of guts

[nocturne sable]

Hmm makes sense

if you were to utilize Ursa/rilla like that I think building a reflect/light screen type structure would work

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/24b8c50870803d36 something like this

[low phoenix]

skarm typically has to deal with other physical attackers as well and doesnt like being worn down long term

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9de2e90727c81aa8 is this good?

[lost folio]

Again, i do want a wish mon if possible

[quartz lark]

What's your reasoning

[jagged raptor]

Looks good to the extent of my knowledge. I'd reconsider Raging Bolt's function. You want lots of typing coverage. Folk will see a lightning move coming

[quartz lark]

Raging Bolt has no coverage.

[jagged raptor]

Yeah that's why I don't use em lol. Most ppl know what's coming

Otherwise team looks like a set 👌

When ancient power procs, man did it gimme euphoria

[jade cedar]

feel like I should switch dnite with offensive lando and tusk with corv, all of my team except for tusk is weak to ground, one flying won't cut it especially if it's 4x to ice

[jagged raptor]

Tusk is good

Earthquake, the main threat is usually on a few units but not whole team

[desert pike]

https://pokepast.es/3fbfe8c3d9275dbf

Hello, What can be changed to improve and what weaknesses of current team?

[jagged raptor]

Moves u will face: fairy stuff like Moonblast, healing/protect, hazard like stealth rocks/trick/trick room, and 1 spare for like Knock Off

[jagged raptor]

Did u just copy the team he was considering swapping to lol? Looks good. I like the Kyurem use

Dondozo can't go wrong

Dondo I'd consider swapping his top 2 moves or at least waterfall to one of his heavier hitting moves

[desert pike]

Thx
It was user drazi from this discord, I'm trying to learn 😁
But do you know what weakness of this teams

[desert pike]

Would you recommend me some?

Maybe for low elos

[jagged raptor]

I got rid of my Landorus, he is too vulnerable, especially to ice

[desert pike]

I agree, what pokemon would you recommend for lead?

[jagged raptor]

Avalanche, fissure if it's allowed in OU, or the water crash move

[desert pike]

Okay tysm, and about landorus what pokemon would you recommend to swap it?

Is there solid lead

[jagged raptor]

Liquidation, Earthquake or Body Press since ur defense is so high

Ur lead will depend on who your opponent may lead with

U want a safe tanky pokemon u could swap to Turn 1

[desert pike]

Thanks

What some pokemon good instead of lando

[jagged raptor]

I'd remove Iron Moth and Tyranitar, even though they're cool

I've never ever been threatened by anything a Tyranitar does in gen 9. I get he sets up sandstorm and hazards, but there's better units

Swapping to Corviknight, Dondozo or Kyurem seems safe depending on what type they start with

[desert pike]

Would you give some pokemon to change em? Maybe is it kingganbit or tusk or dragonite?

[jagged raptor]

All 3 of those u listed are good in opposite order. Dragonite is best

[desert pike]

Hehe just seing viability tier

[jagged raptor]

Extremespeed with tera type Normal and Multiscale ability is really good. Maybe Roost too and Dragon dance. Then Earthquake I guess

[desert pike]

So what will 6 pokemon you recommend
Keep corvi
Dodonzo
Kyurem
Dragonite
...

[jagged raptor]

Starting with Landorus isn't bad because Intimidate (if their team isn't mainly Special Attackers) may force them to swap out a turn too

[desert pike]

Oh okay i can keep landos for now

[jagged raptor]

Glimmora could be a good add

[desert pike]

What could replace tyra and iron moth

Glimora and dragonite?

[jagged raptor]

Lots of fairies online

Sure

[desert pike]

Glim with meteor 1 turn or the sash glimora?

[jagged raptor]

Also maybe gliscor

U can add sash if no one else has it

[desert pike]

corvi
Dodonzo
Kyurem
Dragonite
Lando t
Glissor

[jagged raptor]

Seems pretty well rounded

I'd also ensure they're shiny and have distracting nicknames

But not as important as stats and other stuff lol

[desert pike]

That's true lol

[desert pike]

Would you prefer sword dance glissor?

[jagged raptor]

Naw

Protect/Earthquake I guess

[desert pike]

Okay, is in current team dragonite need tera blast or nah?

[jagged raptor]

No. I prefer extremespeed

[jade cedar]

tusk is the single most common mon, the fact it has a strong ground move is enough to not make the team too weak to it

[quartz lark]

Mola over dozo is a lot better. Because of this assortment, Dozo will be taking too much pressure and will be forced to rest, which essentially means you'll be playing with 5 pokemon most of the time as you can't always depend on sleep talk for progress.

Landorus and Gliscor perform similar roles and have the same typing, so one must go.

Ensure you slot hazards somewhere, which your assortment offers.

[desert pike]

Thxx, what change of em would you recommend

I think i should swap to glissor then

[quartz lark]

https://pokepast.es/94ccd2daff246449

This is a fairly alright starting 5, the last slot is up to you, I recommend slotting a fast Pokémon for speed control that isn't weak to ice

[desert pike]

Thxx

I would give a try

[quartz lark]

👍

[desert pike]

What pokemon would you recommend?

[quartz lark]

Scarf meowscarada doesn't seem that bad.

[desert pike]

Zamas?

[desert pike]

Okay I'll give a try thank you, also do you have your own team recommendation for beginners low elo?

[quartz lark]

You can pretty much search my name in this channel and see my pastes but here's one:

https://pokepast.es/f0504b652bdc6aa2

[desert pike]

Cool thx, who is your prefeable lead, tera and what threat to this lineup

Seems strong having gholdengo there

[quartz lark]

This isnt gen 4, 3, or 2 so your team doesnt really need to have a dedicated lead

Thats for outside the builder

[desert pike]

Okay tysm guys for your help

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[nocturne sable]

If you click sample teams you can see teams to use and ladder with them for more experience

[errant vale]

https://pokepast.es/8122914c6237678b if you had this team and removed sand what would it be

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @magic dome. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz lark]

This is so weak to Iron Valiant for no reason, put ghold over zama

[errant vale]

ok the dark val

but torn checks non dark

sd

[quartz lark]

Moonblast is so damn free its not even funny

[errant vale]

lmao

uhh

[errant vale]

can tera mons but like yea i see it

[topaz pivot]

https://pokepast.es/84c59c3b4910fc67 any thoughts?

[lost folio]

Just because I want it for extra support for my team + no one else in my team has recovery

I feel like they will let me switch in pokemon and not take as much damage from moves when i do

[quartz lark]

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Recover

Rillaboom @ Life Orb
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• Knock Off
• Swords Dance
• Wood Hammer

Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• U-turn
• Dragon Darts
• Draco Meteor
• Shadow Ball

Samurott-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sharpness
EVs: 248 HP / 84 Atk / 124 SpD / 52 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Adamant Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Sucker Punch
• Knock Off

Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Timid Nature

• Dragon Darts
• Hex
• Will-O-Wisp
• U-turn

Corviknight @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature

• Roost
• Defog
• U-turn
• Body Press

Convert your current 6 to this 5:
Dragapult
Corviknight
Gholdengo
Rillaboom
Samurott-Hisui

Do what you want with the last slot, though manage it properly

[quartz lark]

Don't add wish for the sake of wanting recovery when necessary concessions have to be made.

Assault vest alomomola doesnt have the space for wish and ghold has access to recover

[topaz pivot]

my brain is still stuck in vgc mode

[quartz lark]

this is sv ou not vgc

[topaz pivot]

ik

[nocturne sable]

Tera fire zama would prefer roar over heavy slam

[nocturne sable]

Tbh you don’t really need that extra recovery for the rest of your team because AV is so damn braindead it takes every special hit and can just flip turn out for free getting in meowscarada & bolt without any danger.

And because mola has regenerator you can easily recover hp back

[nocturne sable]

But outside of Roar>heavy slam on zama this team should be standard though

But yk what you can actually do. You can make this AV with mola, make tornadus a specs Tera flying set for more breaking power, max defense hydrapple>>max spatk

[errant vale]

Sure

[desert pike]

Thx