SV OU Rates

[limber spear]

it gives me some defensive uses which is the main point cuz i mean i vswitch on any non ground tyoes

[nocturne sable]

Depends on your team. Here’s the smogdex for scizor to figure out what to run https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/scizor/

[limber spear]

and for ground gknot deals with most of them and hatt works fine for those which gknot doesnt do well against

[nocturne sable]

You can hit dragons with Tera ice already

[drowsy hearth]

thank you!

[limber spear]

i mean

fairy offers some defnesive utility while ice doesnt rlly do that besides ice beam from like kyurems

i almost never click tera blast+tera on thunder ngl i mostly just tera on gambit/pult to clean

tb ice and flying also works tho ig

[nocturne sable]

Ngl though, I think scarf thundy would be nice here for the speed control

[limber spear]

woudlnt that be a bit too fast

i got double prio+pult

[nocturne sable]

You can also go mixed life orb pult to improve the stall MU

[limber spear]

just asking doesnt mixed pult not run uturn

i mean its porlly still fine to not run voltturn

[nocturne sable]

Darts Draco shadow ball fire blast

[limber spear]

|| https://pokepast.es/592647e189b5c9b2||

i also thought of going knock on thunder , replacing tbolt/tblast

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey Now thinking about it. Specs thundy is fine here 😅.

Though i don’t think you need knock here. The current move set is fine.

[limber spear]

oh ic

anything to change besides mixed pult

[nocturne sable]

Ehh not really

Maybe horsepower rilla if you’re having trouble with bolt

But not really

[limber spear]

oh thx

[blissful nebula]

Horse power Rilla is actually pretty good rn

Resists tclap

And SD beats it

Sd knock highhorse grassy

Life orb is so good

[elder knoll]

T-dark?

[blissful nebula]

Yeah this set is good
Adamant with just enough to speed creep bolt

And a few more evs for other speed creeps

[exotic yacht]

https://pokepast.es/8f5ac97f7656632c
my take on a team i found on the forums

to be honest all i did was swap some EVs around, change some items and the bronzong set

[low phoenix]

cant you just use teh team provided already

we dont rate teams made by other players already

[exotic yacht]

hmm ok

just wanted to make sure my changes were ok

[nocturne sable]

Your changes were unnecessary and it’s probably better to just stick to the original team

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/29c45108f115394e

I think this team is fine just looking for recommendations for stuff I might’ve missed

[swift forum]

scarf ghold/specs pult is pretty threatening, so is opposing zama with roar, idk i might go moltres g over darkrai

[tepid hazel]

If I use band hoopa, glowking, and lokix, who do I add to COOK on mid ladder? I'm thinking regenerator mons? rn i have mola, bolt, and tusk

[low phoenix]

Moltres g doesn’t fit in this kind of team

And pult/gholdengo is manageable

[low phoenix]

#comp-general

[nocturne sable]

Could go horse power SD over wood hammer for extra measures vs bolt

Tusk also looks super annoying to play around especially if zama is significantly since you have no natural ground immune

[low phoenix]

i just assumed tusk would be managable idk any flying types that would fit in the team im trying to build

[rapid barn]

I mean like maybe dnite or a sd gliscor

but neither is good against tusk

[elder knoll]

SD Scor does not fit on this team

[rapid barn]

you right

this is oddly reminding me of one of the sample teams though

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/09bc59e28be31879 weird team but, im trying to work a way into getting suicune to work

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[solar sundial]

I prefer BO/Balance, but i could definitely see something like semistall being the play here

Can probably do meowscarada over weavile, tbh

But i want the prio

Putting a rillaboom here wouldnt hurt actually

And then something faster than specs wake

https://pokepast.es/f3ec071ef45beb50

Still actively revising

I dont see how i beat stall actually

[wooden mountain]

Suicune isn’t viable but if you had to use it yea semistall or fat would be good

[solar sundial]

Obviously i know its not viable, but i wanna use it either way

https://pokepast.es/f3ec071ef45beb50 also this is like a v3 of the team

[wooden mountain]

That said we are not willing to help you if you’re trying to make an unviable mon work sadly

[solar sundial]

?

Thats not the rule unless im mistaken

The rule is if im limiting myself, not building around a certain mon

[wooden mountain]

I mean what does Suicune do that’s meaningful and you can’t do with other mons

[solar sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

Id say sub scald but im pretty sure manaphy gets that

[wooden mountain]

If you want a pp stall win con just use Kyurem

[faint flame]

How do I beat stall btw

[solar sundial]

Band ttar + exca in sand can probably so it

[faint flame]

I think dondoza mola is rough

Should i run thunder punch

[solar sundial]

Tirst first

Test

[nocturne sable]

Banded Ttar can spam knock & stone edge on current stall to apply pressure.

Zong and plum also switch in on toxic users like pex & scor and absorb Tspikes

252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 192-226 (48.1 - 56.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Possible damage amounts: (192, 193, 196, 198, 201, 202, 205, 207, 210, 211, 214, 216, 219, 220, 223, 226)

252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Gliscor: 220-259 (62.5 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal
Possible damage amounts: (220, 222, 225, 228, 229, 232, 235, 238, 240, 243, 246, 249, 250, 253, 256, 259

252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 180-213 (35.7 - 42.2%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
Possible damage amounts: (180, 183, 184, 186, 189, 190, 193, 195, 198, 199, 201, 204, 205, 208, 210, 213)
Pokémon

It’s tedious but As long as you keep rocks up and remove boots & leftovers stall MU is doable. Also have to deal with stone edge missing but it’s wtv.

You also have excadrill which can potentially flinch hax dozo.

You can also do like Tera steel roar zama to dodge toxic and phase out dozo but makes your MU into moltres a little more rough.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/c044378bad1c9663

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[inner terrace]

you have a lot of mons with sets that dont rlly fit balance ngl

you're also weak to gambit

could try pult over dnite and tusk over bolt

and add the missing ev to clef

[elder knoll]

hi Quacc

[nocturne sable]

Fire shot dnite likes to be on more offensive teams

And Tera fairy with Tera blast seems odd

https://pokepast.es/99b2ebca641bdbbe based on what quacc said probably something like this

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/948208d5a1fc6a59

Offense team built around phys Ival. Not sure about my stall matchup, haven’t faced too many on ladder

[jade cedar]

switch drain punch with CC, ival isn't living any strong anyway and make it's tera offensive, ival is far from defensive mon also you lack special attackers dozo hard walls most of your team

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/4e0b07d9e3f71332 planning on doing a ladder session to get to 1400 with this team (which would be a peak for me), so i'd like to do final touches before finishing

[nocturne sable]

Not really, he has future sight support to wear down dozo+knock users in scizor & Val. Just because his team has a lot of physical attackers doesn’t mean it’s walled by dozo.

[nocturne sable]

The team is fine for the most part although I would probably make gambit bulky hp invested gambit here.

And then I would get a water resist for Woger here. Don’t think scizor is needed here I would remove it for SD rillaboom.

Could also changed valiant to mixed or full special with CM.

[nocturne sable]

Outside of the random Harcanine this looks like a pretty standard team

[solar sundial]

Is there an issue with harc here

[nocturne sable]

Just feels random here. Don’t think it benefits the team as much as it just adds another weakness to woger.

Could probably go like dnite/rilla over Harcanine

Or tealpon works here too

[solar sundial]

Is banded dnite a thing

Id try rilla but im not the biggest fan of grassy glide

And i need the prio regardless

[nocturne sable]

It is a thing indeed

[solar sundial]

Guess id have to worry about the rocks weakness but thats like

[nocturne sable]

Tealpon offers speed control/priority kinda with Tera

[solar sundial]

Fine

[solar sundial]

What prio does tealpon have

[nocturne sable]

+1 speed when it Teras

Pretty good into woger too

[solar sundial]

I could always use rilla, if nothign else for the grassy terrain to help ghold

[elder knoll]

😭 that’s not prio

[nocturne sable]

Ik

[solar sundial]

Zapdos itself already feels super good into woger if i play right

[nocturne sable]

I didn’t mean it literally I was just talking about speed control in general

[solar sundial]

So im not too worried about it

Ive been super impressed with zapdos as a whole honestly

[elder knoll]

It’s rlly good

[solar sundial]

1 shotting offensive tusk with an uninvested hurricane is crazy

[rapid barn]

Zapdos is not that that great against woger I don’t think

Isn’t it a 2hko with some chip?

[solar sundial]

Max defense corv gets like 3hko'd man by all means thats decent

If it really gets dicey i can just tera gtass

[nocturne sable]

Ig but your team still needs some sort of speed control. And still no ivy cudgel resist outside of Tera zappy. Which is not ideal since ting Lu kinda invites woger in

[solar sundial]

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 129-153 (32.3 - 38.3%) -- 96.3% chance to 3HKO

[elder knoll]

what

😭

[rapid barn]

It’s gets 2hko with chip and cudgel doesn’t make contact, no?

Idk though I just don’t like the inaccuracy

[elder knoll]

click t-wave

[nocturne sable]

I mean Zapdos definitely doesn’t like cudgel crits but it’s a decent soft check to pon when healthy

[rapid barn]

That’s true

[solar sundial]

252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Zapdos: 148-175 (38.6 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Zapdos: 297-349 (77.5 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[elder knoll]

Zapdos is literally one of the main Woger checks

😭

In the tier

[solar sundial]

Yeah i dont

See what the issue with zap is here

[elder knoll]

You limit it from clicking u-turn

Bc of static

And it can only click cudgel

[solar sundial]

It also just gets nuked if you click hurricane

0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 266-314 (88.3 - 104.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

8 SpA Zapdos Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 300-354 (99.6 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[elfin umbra]

https://pokepast.es/9dd954e902c69be4
any recomendations to making this more meta friendly

[tall oasis]

https://pokepast.es/41c24ffcab0fceef any improvements on my first sv ou team? Trying to go bulky balance team. Not sure about the sets on cinderace and kyruem

[tall oasis]

@nocturne sable

[nocturne sable]

This team has terrible synergy as your mock g way too many mons from different playstyle.

Prim+Sun is anti synergy since it weakens prim. Defensive Gliscor & gholdengo are also not really sun picks as they fit on more BO/Balance teams. Sun likes to operate as a type of hyper offence

Torkoal+venu+gambit can work however so this team is salvageable.

Add walking wake>primarina

Hatt>>gliscor

Last slot maybe I would slot something like Ceruledge>Gholdengo.

Something like this https://pokepast.es/577ea4bc46939754

[elder knoll]

this hates opposing gambit

a lot

prob fast low kick on gambit at minimum

[nocturne sable]

Yea that’s fine

https://pokepast.es/72297ead13fda0e6
updated

[nocturne sable]

This is fine for the most part although I would probably add a ghost resist here for gholdengo. Maybe kingambit>>woger here

[elfin umbra]

thank you 🙏

[tall oasis]

Okay thanks bro

Gonna look into it

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea I forgot to say this but you might also want a flying type for ground immunity aswell for tusk mainly.

You can make Ghold like a Zapdos or something in that regard.

[tall oasis]

I was playing too and I was like dang Lando kinda cooks my team lol

And volcanion

offensive Zappy? 👀

[nocturne sable]

I prefer regular defensive but you can test out offensive zap for your own self

[tall oasis]

Yeah ima see I usually run defensive zap but I need some faster mins

Mons

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think speed control is the worst. Cinderace+priority(kingambit) makes stuff doable+gking Zapdos being able to pivot around helps with stuff

I also think you have means of handling the “fast” mons outside of pure speed anyway

Like gambit can deal with pult rai when needed. Zama gets dealt with by gking+zappy. Weavile can get punished by contact with Zapdos+rocks chip and you have ice resist in cinderace & kingambit.

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[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a8e63c9d735fbac0 this SHOULD be set up

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Why is there a random utility tusk and Toxapex on a veil team

[jade cedar]

tusk is mostly if hatt couldn't block out hazards the team will get chipped down quickly, pex is mostly there bc for one I got a bit confused on what to put on the last spot and I also noticed that the team will get destroyed by woger if I'm not careful, ts is welcomed

[final relic]

dnite > toxapex

and just use deoxys speed or grimmsnarl

either are better than alolan ninetales rn

bulk up tusk instead of that set

[jade cedar]

which dnite set?

[final relic]

any works, can be jolly + sharp beak terablast fly, or covert cloak + tera fairy blast for example

• as long as its a setup dnite dont use dtail roost

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/e2f9f8fd5f7cb6d3

[regal ginkgo]

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[rapid barn]

aight guys, a bit stuck in the 1700s range, trying something new

rmt

[nocturne sable]

I don’t see the vision with specs slowking im ngl, especially with no trick.

Why not just make valiant choice specs and make glowking regular glowking

You benefit more from the pivoting glowking gives

[rapid barn]

kk

[rapid barn]

i was gonna add trick but tbh i wasnt sure which move to swap

maybe flamethrower?

made the changes

[solar sundial]

What does slither really even do outside of sun

Let alone impish

You also have no hazard removal on a team that isnt bootspam

[rapid barn]

literally everything is resistent, i added boots

slither is a revenge killer, defensive pivot, and it could burn

[solar sundial]

Valiant still hates spikes

[rapid barn]

you dont need removal on absolutely every team

esp one that isnt really weak to hazards

[solar sundial]

I didnt say that?

[rapid barn]

.

[solar sundial]

"That isnt bootspam"

Resistant to rocks or not valiant especially hates spikes

[rapid barn]

it'll still switch in at least a couple of times, it isnt even that big of an issue

esp with good pivots

[solar sundial]

I guess

[slate jolt]

https://pokepast.es/c5de0c72e657ef3e

I made a rilla/garg balance (or maybe it's more of a bulky offense?)

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/03cb0fb912dfca58

Sand

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[flat jackal]

This might be a bit weak to fire so i might go for molt instead of corv

[sonic root]

https://pokepast.es/fac1a02cac5d2644

hows this?

[nocturne sable]

I think you can make Ttar defensive utility Ttar with rocks here since you already have so much offensive pressure(drapple, exca, Ghold, LO zama, etc)

I would also make excadrill rock slide>>iron head if you’re running swords dance Tera ghost

[flat jackal]

I see

[vital crane]

https://pokepast.es/75fcfb64052cba18

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden linden]

i'd def put venusaur over hisuian liligant here. the team def struggles to switch into fairies very well so venu would help it out

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/ecf07f824480d964 i got nothing to build around

felt like hex pech is ok here

[inner terrace]

this is fine defensively

run a grass move on pon though

i think

i dont normally care for it but here it's nice for prim

[limber spear]

over taunt?

[inner terrace]

yea over taunt or uturn

your shoice

[limber spear]

yeah i'll drop taunt

thx

[inner terrace]

np

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/e66a512f15621262
could mess with the evs a little more but not sure what else

[nocturne sable]

This looks like it struggles into special attackers like enam wake etc a lot. I would make Mola AV mirror coat here to shore that MU.

I would also replace molt here for something like corv to assist with hazard removal+help absorb knock offs for Mola.

[sonic root]

thanks, that makes a lot of sense

its a bit of a shame though, ive really been enjoying using moltres
do you know any teams similar to this where i could keep the chicken?

[nocturne sable]

Moltres can definitely fit on sand structures however I don’t have a specific team with Moltres sand unfortunately

[solar sundial]

Maybe if they replace mola for AV crown or glowking?

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/0b83a4340ee37e05 typical offense team, I'm testing with toxic on g-slowking instead of thunder wave for the stall and bulky teams match-up

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[nocturne sable]

Hmm Tera water glowking can actually be fine for wake

In replacement of Mola

[tall oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7e665443863b59b4 just made this balance team from scratch how’s it looking? Are the sets good and any mark weaknesses?

[nocturne sable]

Team feels random. Dont see the synergy at all.

Like all 6 mons just feel random here. No defensive & little attacking synergy

[tall oasis]

What would you say I would switch? I was just brainstorming.

I want to build a balance team with iron valiant and lando

@nocturne sable

[solar sundial]

Jirachi literally doesnt do anything

You also have 0 hazard removal

[low phoenix]

It’s a niche para/wish spreader and future sight absorber

[solar sundial]

You know who also does that?

Alomamola

[low phoenix]

I said it’s niche not that it’s good

[solar sundial]

Or clef able i guess

Alo gets body slam right?

[low phoenix]

Yes

[nocturne sable]

Mola doesn’t have serene grace rocks and isn’t a future sight observer fwiw

[solar sundial]

Ok i'll take that L

But still theres really no point in using jirachi

Even if it has decent role compression

[nocturne sable]

Depends on what your team needs but yea you’re not going to often use Jirachi most of the time

[low phoenix]

Some heat balances/stalls I suppose

[nocturne sable]

This is like a rough sketch of a Val/Lando balance team I made in a few minutes.

https://pokepast.es/5f009c2ce7803223

scarf Lando can work on BO structures with a glowking or something. I made Ival CM psyshock+taunt pon to help with fat MU like stall or wtv

Basic team pretty much

[elder knoll]

You forgot about

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-16915269632910713693

[slow sundial]

I fw band Tar heavy

cooked this up very quickly

https://pokepast.es/ac9a2b0aba8d5758

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[slow sundial]

did not mean to ping that many people sorry

[final relic]

unfortunately i feel like ttar is the weak point here

you would much rather have a lu for your rocks and shift tusk to be bulk up or just 4 attacks

[slow sundial]

sad bc i really like the damage a banded stone edge can do 80% of the time

[final relic]

tar usually goes on fatter teams/dedicated sand

drill, hydrapple, etc

[slow sundial]

I was under the impression tar was actually a more offensive version of ting lu

who goes on fatter teams

[final relic]

well yes but this isn’t

ttar and ghold are the only somewhat defensive mons here

bulky offense is what you are looking for with tar

[slow sundial]

yeah i was tryna do like offensive hazards and then a backbone with tar and ghold and even zaza if necessary

[final relic]

or balance

like look at xavgbs team from olt in the samples

thats a good example

https://pokepast.es/463b6f06dc1fbf73

you can see theres more longevity with boots spam, garchomp, etc

[slow sundial]

my plan was like

vs offense

get hazards up, let ghold die to a spinner if need be, then blow people up with zaza and val

and vs balanced and defensive teams let tar's knock cook em up

[final relic]

thats not an awful gameplan

oh but you should drop heavy slam

for low kick

if you plan on building this set

[slow sundial]

true i was remembering bandtar in gen 8 lol

love that guy

[final relic]

i think defensive roar would work better (ice beam knock roar rocks)

since its still a fairly good knock user while having much more defensive utility

as a starting point

[slow sundial]

alr

are we wiping or do we want to also include some of the same

"core"

If we do want to keep Samu, and I kinda do

I would elect to make that banded actually then

strong knock for defensive teams, pretty good priority

though it does run into 4mss a little

[nocturne sable]

I mean there is scarf Lando for tiny surprise factor+woger can technically be a cudgel switch in for opposing woger.

Ig you can go CC tusk to limit woger switchin

[low phoenix]

This channel is for smogon ou rates no cobblemon

!nolegends

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[solar sundial]

We dont do cobblemon here

[main hatch]

can someone look at my team I used to play sword and shield comp a bit and now I'm lost on what the meta is for SV. I replaced some pokemon on my old team for the pokes that seem meta at the moment I need feedback https://pokepast.es/dc28d66e3a7af9b4

[nocturne sable]

Volcarona is banned from SV OU I recommend you look at resources to have a better grasp of the meta game

[regal ginkgo]

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[main hatch]

so im assuming that my team isnt that viable now even if I had volcarona right?

[solar sundial]

Pex doesnt have scald anymore

Or knock off

[nocturne sable]

The team can still be salvage if you made volcarona & Toxapex like a Great tusk or Slowking-Galar or something

You also have to take Tera types into account. Very important part of SV

[solar sundial]

Honestly it looks mostly fine outside of pex and volcarona

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/46d2264045a00afb

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Don’t think hexpult is needed here. Could easily be an offensive item like choiced pult or LO pult to break stall.

I would probably make glowking toxic>+twave since toxic looks like a more useful status especially for regen spam.

If you’re making gambit max speed then I would make it low kick for opposing gambit MU

And since you’re not running a traditional flying type & already have glowking to sponge up special hits I would just make mola full physdef to help tank Tusk headlong+maybe tickle mola if you want to shore up Dnite MU

Although in general the 6 mons itself should probably be fine and workable.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/0d2fefa4f1201330v better?

[nocturne sable]

Link didn’t work

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/0d2fefa4f1201330 added the v on accident

[nocturne sable]

Make mola full physdef

Low kick gambit>iron head(idk why Tera ghost was changed but Tera flying is okay too so it’s wtv)

But yea should be okay

[jade cedar]

I found flying more consistent, most of the tusk sets lately are running headlong rush more the CC, tera ghost is decent but makes it vulnerable to knock off, ye ice spinner is problem but far less then knock off

[jade cedar]

also do you see that the team has a problem with kyu?

everything to me seems weak to freeze dray or earth power

[limber spear]

glowking and gambit are both kyurem checks

kyurem doesn’t hv ideal checks besides like bronzong or like tera steel rotom (resisting both ground and ice

[flat jackal]

does av hoopa counts

oh yeah there r also phys kyu im dumb

[nocturne sable]

Glowking is a freeze dry switch in

[jade cedar]

ye both get obliterated with earth power tho but I guess that's the job of tera

[nocturne sable]

Eeh not really glowking can take earth power decently

[jade cedar]

even the specs set?

[nocturne sable]

Kyurem kinda loses momentum if it’s locked into ground move

[limber spear]

meh glowking also dies to ice spears

and gambit faints to tb fire but u got sucker to play around (until they sub-

[nocturne sable]

Specs kyu fell off a bit. Most kyu are like subtect for Mixed DD with NMI

[flat jackal]

good thing abt hoopa is that it can heal+se kyu with drain punch and bypass subs+protect with hypersapce fury

[nocturne sable]

If you want to take extra measure you can run ballon gambit but it’s kinda wtv

[jade cedar]

I guess I'll just prey my dogshit rng doesn't drag me to the worst matchup my team can face

[nocturne sable]

The only real problem with kyurem is freeze which is an annoying one to deal with imo

But like there’s not much you can do about it

[jade cedar]

as usual I'm at the mercy of rng, let's hope I don't get crit+freeze on I already got that way too much in my playing

[austere pivot]

https://pokepast.es/d6d5e1fa03b5bc15

how is this

[inner terrace]

wrong tier

[austere pivot]

O yeah mb

its ubers

[blissful nebula]

Yeah that’s like AG lol

[solar sundial]

What format could this POSSIBLY be for???

[inner terrace]

gotta be ndubers

[compact saddle]

it's mega ray

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/70667460d52e9ba7

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant tree]

https://pokepast.es/babbcc391f2f9482

[wispy niche]

https://pokepast.es/b97fd2c61cfe161f

here rate their team.

[inner terrace]

i would run mixed val here, you want knock somewhere

also move the HP ev on gambit to spdef

[inner terrace]

i'd run av torn over prim here, you really want a ground immune here as well

and speed

[wispy niche]

they sent it to me

[inner terrace]

this team is not salvageable 😭

i dont think the idea is even that bad it just like

[wispy niche]

meh we both skim read the ditto article and saw pokemon names

(continue sry)

[inner terrace]

ok i ran a hydreigon ditto fat before but the thing with that team is it had a better water resist in pex

lucha makes zero sense here

[wispy niche]

look what reading the pokemon names in the ditto article led us

lmao

[distant tree]

So a def torn ic so all good except prim ? Or any changes

And i forgot its flying tera raging bolt

[inner terrace]

prolly make it fairy then

and yeah you have a lotta solid mons

just run the standard av torn set and it's prolly fine

[distant tree]

Alr thanks for helping

[cedar sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/fa10eb4e86fe6e57

having trouble with lead

i previously used weavile instead of glimmora

[stable nymph]

Sash glimmora is only used on HO

[cedar sentinel]

whats ho?

[stable nymph]

Hyper Offense

Here's a vid to help you
https://youtu.be/Aaw_4AhOYCo

[cedar sentinel]

ohk thank you

[stable nymph]

Here's a vid from the same person explaining the mistake you made

You can choose to not watch it but it helps
https://youtu.be/VJUQxKDEu88

[cedar sentinel]

thanks i will since im new to competitive

[stable nymph]

I also recommend using sample teams to learn what things do in the format you're playing if you're new

[regal ginkgo]

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[cedar sentinel]

oh ok

thats so helpful ty

[stable nymph]

Have fun

[stable nymph]

Just pick one that looks nice to you

And if you don't like it, use another one

[cedar sentinel]

alr thanks

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/700e925834dc556a I'm trying to make some teams that support a usually niche/ not really viable mon

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solar sundial]

What were you even going for here??

[wispy niche]

i didnt build the team.

[solar sundial]

You cant post teams here that arent made by you

[wispy niche]

well they gave me permission

[solar sundial]

Thats a literal rule in the channel

[wispy niche]

Will there be new additions to the rule?

Like you cannot post someones team no matter what even with permission given?

[solar sundial]

Im not a mod, dont ask me

[wispy niche]

or is it some sort of common sense?

[solar sundial]

They generally just dont want you posting teams you didnt build

[final relic]

idt ur supposed to do this

[wispy niche]

Okay i told them that and said okay

well. Lesson learned

[solar sundial]

?

[final relic]

post others teams

[solar sundial]

Oh i thought you meant me

[nocturne sable]

You should be max hp max def alomomola especially when you’re not running a proper ground immune

[jade cedar]

let me guess, thund-t is just horrible?

[solar sundial]

Not nessacarily, but it cant come it a ton

Rocks weak + generally being frail

[nocturne sable]

Thundy-t is not that sturdy of a ground immune. And there’s no point in mixed defensive mola when you already have glowking to sponge up most special hits mola would take

Can also go helmet mola here to punish contact moves

[jade cedar]

actually ye good idea, ace+ tusk should be able to handle hazards well

[vernal igloo]

https://pokepast.es/1de8f154d0441e0b Volcanion + Tinkaton Hazard Stack

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/d71dc091673d7ef6

what changes could i make to the team

?

[vernal igloo]

you've put rocks and spikes on the same ting lu so it'd say spread out the hazards onto the tusk

also make one of them tera ghost so you've got another spinblocker

also the team looks very weak to scarf enamorus

your rocker is weak to fairy so it can just spam moonblast on you

if you make zam max speed you can probably afford to make ghold bulky

so it 1v1s enam better

you also only have one wellspring switch in

and it's tera fire so ivy just one shots it after rocks

[nocturne sable]

Tbh ting Lu is not needed here. You can easily drop it for glowking to shore up that fairy MU & future sight support is really nice for gambit & dnite

And I’m not the biggest fan of scale shot dnite on non HO teams. I would switch it to heavy duty boots Dd

[vernal igloo]

only 1 priority move and it's sucker so you're not consistent vs opposing setup sweepers

there's a big reason why people run tera normal espeed dnite

idk why i said enam, val is way more popular

[nocturne sable]

No you were right about enam it’s pretty popular right now as well

He was overlapping a lot of fairy weaknesses there

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/2abf6e5976d1ec6d

I've been experimenting with Trick Room and I wanted to experiment with Armarogue who not only has Expanding Force to partner well with Indeedee and the ability to set Trick Room on its own but also a useful Fire-type STAB and Energy Ball or alternatively Aura Sphere for coverage. It feels like it would help you break through a lot of the Pokémon that Trick Room usually struggles with.

[vernal igloo]

that nickname is ludicrous

[cyan smelt]

heat*

[low phoenix]

what matchups is armarouge good for?

[vernal igloo]

the name distracted me from mixed hyperspace hoopa, i guess it beats the stall mu

tr already deletes stall but this makes it better vs protect spam

[cyan smelt]

it is nice into guys like corvi, energy ball hits alo which ive found like pretty annoying

generally it is just a good option for extra expanding force firepower

armor cannon is also good into resists like

kingambit and gholde

[vernal igloo]

eball seems like something that only works if they don't know you have it

[cyan smelt]

which they usually wont

tera grass e ball is also nice into ting-lu

[vernal igloo]

yeah but a lot of alo run protect

[sterile jay]

yeah you are both right i think only think that sucks is losing spikes

also i had tinglu bcs i rather be able to run knock off on tusk while giving both rocks and spikes to ting lu

tho i must say i do rather have scarf gholdengo since it does allow to mess up a lot of mons w trick also gives me speed control

[vernal igloo]

it might be a little too eforce reliant, that indeedee dies once and your whole team is on a timer

or at least half of it

[cyan smelt]

it is p easy to keep like

[vernal igloo]

any dark type makes psyspam way harder

[cyan smelt]

indeedee 1 hp

and come back

[sterile jay]

hmm

@vernal igloo what do you think of spikes wellspring over ting lu?

[vernal igloo]

it's probably fine to use that you have 2 kyurem checks already

[sterile jay]

yeaah also water absorb atleast makes it able to come into ivy cudgel

[vernal igloo]

well you have dnite and that tanks everything from wellspring

it can even take one whole play rough with multiscale

[sterile jay]

eh truee still wellspring seems alright here over the lu especially since i can use knock off on it instead of tusk

[vernal igloo]

i always think if it's hazard stack more knock users is better

because of boots being everywhere

[sterile jay]

i do want to do that but i cant run knock and rocks in the same set w tusk sadly

[vernal igloo]

also maybe make the dnite boots it probably doesn't even need it's dragon stab anyway

[sterile jay]

bcs then i dont have ice spinner

[sterile jay]

yeah i changed it to the standard e speed set

[vernal igloo]

oh right

[sterile jay]

tho i did give it encore over ice spinner to set up

[vernal igloo]

tbh my brain autofilled max defense tusk because that's what i use so i was thinking "encore on tusk wtf"

then i saw it was offensive tusk

yeah getting rid of lu makes even more sense now i thought this was more of a bulky hazard stack

i've just realised you need to tera something to beat ival

actually does a bulky ghold live a knock from mixed ival

[sterile jay]

i dont think so

not completely suer tho

tera normal dnite does deal w it if it aint tera ghost calm mind tho

[sterile jay]

yeah i might have to change to max builk then

https://pokepast.es/618af6efe95812e5

this is the changes i made rn

[nocturne sable]

Tbh this looks kinda wack band rilla is kinda ass+defensive tusk in big 2025 is not going to cut it.

https://pokepast.es/7c571de0e1af00c4 rough idea but i think the 6 here are pretty flexable.

Made Gliscor physdef to help handle opposing Ceruledge, Tusk, etc better.

Speed control kinda iffy but gambit+pult should be fine with some twave support from gking.

Tera ground volcanion is mainly there for bolt.

Snuck in a few Tera ghost here for emergency spinblock.

[vernal igloo]

ok so it's more of a balance team now

[nocturne sable]

It’s still kinda spike stack since you have Gliscor+tinka to set rocks & spikes

[vernal igloo]

i guess boots makes volc easier to actually bring in more often too

because specs kills everything but only if it actually gets to hit the field

[nocturne sable]

Haven’t seen much of armarouge trick room in singles but makes sense you want to replicate that type of psyspam+TR combo here. I’m not sure how strong energy ball would be into Lu with no item boost but it’s wtv.

As always with these type of teams dark types will be rough. Darkrai with its annoying flinches, gambit, etc will be annoying to deal with especially with the rise of Tera fairy gambit to bypass stuff like hands.

Protect Ursa makes sense here for knock users. Personally though I’m running Ice punch to not lose momentum into stuff like teapot, lando etc.

[cyan smelt]

yeah i was considering ice punch

also energy ball only does considerable damage to lu if ur terad yeah

otherwise same as armor cannon iirc

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic

The thing about armarouge is that it will give you the advantage to set up trick room in front of something like iron crown

[cyan smelt]

ye

expanding force + armor cannon

and the ability to trick room infront of a lot

gives u good momentum

in a lot of matchups

[solar sundial]

You really dont need spikes if you already have rocks unless you're doing hstack

[solar sundial]

Thank god its not that shitty ass endure set

[distant tree]

https://pokepast.es/f980b215e3b64380
after swapping primarina to torn im having some switching issues and im getting revenge killed need some help

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/4b3ebde2ab98f116

140 spdef evs let it live 3 ep from subtect kyurem

burning jealousy burns set ups but incin is 156 speed (higher than 147 aka 44 evs gambit)

prolly that’s a better optimisation

or a slower prima (252 hp/56 spdef spread ) is prolly still fine cuz i got like a insane + zama
also uh dnite slot is p free cuz cha can larp as a flyer

[wispy niche]

Rate the team I have made for GEN 9 OU.

It was supposed to involve Kommo-o because i found his typing to be execllent and he is a good dragon to me

[limber spear]

remove ace

for a fast sweeper

• go double dance on scor

[wispy niche]

which scor

[limber spear]

gli

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 244 HP / 20 Atk / 36 Def / 112 SpD / 96 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Facade
• Earthquake
• Agility

[wispy niche]

does gender matter in pokemon?

just wanna know

[limber spear]

u can go all female for cute charm enam but then it’s cute charm enam

[wispy niche]

if i had to cut ace

what do i even add

[limber spear]

prolly zama/krai ig

[wispy niche]

thats more like it

[vernal igloo]

why is gliscor on a hyper offense team

[wispy niche]

its always been like that

[vernal igloo]

you set up dual screens to get momentum then it screeches to a halt when you swap into something slow and bulky

also you only have one fairy/steel resist with no speed control or anti setup sweeper measures

[distant tree]

https://pokepast.es/05954905e1e36ede

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vernal igloo]

which is important if you're running kommo-o because all it takes is a booster ival and your sweep is dead

scarf kyurem isn't very common but it does exist

[inner terrace]

double dance gliscor is one of the best screens mons lol

you just have enough turns to get 2 boosts and sweep

and you're hard to kill

[flat jackal]

just like latias

[distant tree]

When u have screen u get a chance for boost right

[inner terrace]

yes

[vernal igloo]

also i'd probably run bulletproof kommo-o so you can get a free turn to set up on cinderace, pecharunt and choice locked ghold

[wispy niche]

roar

[inner terrace]

anyways this team is fine i think

[vernal igloo]

literally none of those mons have roar???

[wispy niche]

enemy roar

[distant tree]

Hm i removed bolt

[limber spear]

yippie bumb

[wispy niche]

the upsetting feeling will come when kommo-o gets roared

and has no soundproof

to protect it

[vernal igloo]

you kill everything that runs roar with +1 boomburst

[wispy niche]

only if u finished up buffing the boy to the point you are fast enough to go first

the thing is u gotta begin the engine going in the first place

[vernal igloo]

also whirlwind ting-lu still phazes you out

roar is only used on like moltres and zamazenta

[inner terrace]

i think soundproof is valid

there isnt a lot of bullet mons now that i think abt it

if ghold comes in the worst it can do is trick you which will stop you regardless

[distant tree]

I have a prob on how to start up

[inner terrace]

?

[distant tree]

Like if i use greattusk

Its getting one shoted by ice and water mons

[inner terrace]

then switch

[vernal igloo]

the only sound move that makes sense to be immune to is psynoise but you're not running drain punch

[inner terrace]

roar

roar is pretty relevant

tera zama roar or even regular zama roar

is one of the best ways to counter cheese

alluring voice you see sometimes

parting shot as well

[vernal igloo]

yeah parting shot is the other relevant one

[inner terrace]

if u tera steel then pech isnt staying in to sball it loses anyways

it's gonna part or hard switch

torch song can be nice

but not too common

[vernal igloo]

you're tera normal though?

[inner terrace]

yesh

or is it tera strel

either way torch song is a fire move yes

[vernal igloo]

tera stellar?

[inner terrace]

no tera steel

is it

or no

[vernal igloo]

oh right

[inner terrace]

oh its normal

im blind

[vernal igloo]

i tried running tera stellar volcanion on trick room once

it did not work out very well

[inner terrace]

yeah if u run normal no point running bulletproof imo

[wispy niche]

what do you think of the team i made btw

[vernal igloo]

i think this team would benefit from hazards

also does your team have an unaware check

[nocturne sable]

You can make cinderace swords dance & change gambit to like Tera fairy

[vernal igloo]

have you won any games against stall with this team

[nocturne sable]

Dnite can be like a CM hatt here to manage hazards

[wispy niche]

i used to consider dragonite as my 2nd dragon of choice

tbf

here I updated

turns out they are overhyping hazards bit too much

but so far? i didnt REALLY HAD Issues?

[nocturne sable]

Send pokepaste for next time

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

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[regal ginkgo]

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[wispy niche]

https://pokepast.es/b279f5315151e5f7

[nocturne sable]

Replace one of the dragons for hatt & the team should be fine

[limber spear]

triple bump

[wispy niche]

what set to use?

calm mind?

[nocturne sable]

Yes calm mind

[nocturne sable]

This team looks like it wants to be some fat balance but unfortunately it doesn’t seem to have the longevity+breaking power to back it up

[limber spear]

i wanted to go for bo ngl

[nocturne sable]

Little to passive outside of Zama for me tbh

Team needs more breaking power to justify double AV

[limber spear]

maybe throw dnite out for a offensive flyer like enam/lando and make cha apple?

[nocturne sable]

And no real point in dtail dnite when it’s not Hstack. Just make it Dd or something

[wispy niche]

and done https://pokepast.es/b9e5ef3b003d3c67

got a 2nd aurora veil

[limber spear]

ic

[wispy niche]

with 5 staples (gholdengo)

and a pokemon with rather BOOMing offense

a dragon one

[nocturne sable]

K go test it out now and see if you like the team

[wispy niche]

well kommo-o is an interesting pick and stuffs. and so far? its a good start

though with the first match using this version. i won using staples

but hey. i can put gholdengo anad kommo-o into practice since their niches

can come up

[inner terrace]

probably fine

little zama weak but u have screens ghold so playable

and kommo-o isnt walled by it

[wispy niche]

had to replace an ice dragon

with hatt

shame but lol

[inner terrace]

makes it better vs zama

prolly good then

[vernal igloo]

you can have more than one team if you want to use your favorite pokemon

[wispy niche]

https://pokepast.es/b279f5315151e5f7

[vernal igloo]

kyurem is fucking broken in ou

[wispy niche]

oops

https://pokepast.es/bb85b8b6041a531d

ok this will be the last time of today

maaan had to nag just to build the thing

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey though you can maybe convert this into some type of Gterrain if you want to keep incineroar.

https://pokepast.es/7eea4036e8aa7471 I came up with something roughly like this

[limber spear]

o fezand skibidi

i like that thx

|| cough av pshout||

[nocturne sable]

Wait I lowkey forgot about AV not allowing support moves 😭

https://pokepast.es/8a540bad4b13be07 k fixed @limber spear

[limber spear]

[vapid silo]

https://pokepast.es/64d03b70697dc6a2

New to ou want to see what improvements can be made

[nocturne sable]

You can go like power herb meteor beam Glimm on structures like these.

I know S spore missing & blanking into grass types suck but I still think there is more value to para than just lowering speed by 1 with pounce.

Ghold should probably be like Tera fairy over steel especially when you’re not running metal coat.

Tera fire blast Lando is interesting. Though you can probably make it more threatening with like SD Tera blast flying stone edge

[stray seal]

https://pokepast.es/0cbcfd9440ec8584

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Kingambit > Lokix and great Tusk > treads

[compact saddle]

great turk

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-türk-turkish-flag-wavy-gif-17405192

[stray seal]

https://tenor.com/view/türkiye-turkey-gif-11198383169865843648

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/6ca2ba4f9ada4812

changed gambit to scarf darkrai for speed control and a dark type

also trick is just really really nice into bulky and hazard stack

and stall

[nocturne sable]

This looks normal what do you seem to be struggling with

[sterile jay]

just lack of speed control other than priority before

other than that not much

also

lack of special attackers

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic. You might aswell run AOA zama if you’re running Tera dark zama

[sterile jay]

aoa ?

[nocturne sable]

All out attack

Like 4 attacks

[sterile jay]

aaah truee

i was running tera dark to beat blissey in stall matches

but with ogerpon in the team i suposse it aint that bad now

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey though zama+pon+dnite should be enough to overwhelm most physdef cores

[sterile jay]

trueee this team is very hard to switch into ive noticed

like gholdengo gets a nasty plot = half of a mon health gone

or ogerpon just hits your mon w anything in general = gone

[nocturne sable]

Btw I think tusk should be Tera steel here since fairy & dragon resist outside of dengo looks rough

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/d7a6bee32be7eff9

playing around with torn, any suggestions?

[nocturne sable]

Lack of ghost resist here is rough. I can see Ceruledge Tera ghost pult demolishing this team

[rapid barn]

ooo okay

I had samurott on this team before but it wasnt working out

[sterile jay]

jhmm truee

[nocturne sable]

I think if you make this like scarf rai>zama then great tusk>treads then it will be better a bit

[rapid barn]

good idea

offensive or defensive utility tusk?

[nocturne sable]

Offensive

[rapid barn]

kk

[split hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/2dff50ec653d1824

do you like the zard?

[rapid barn]

unfortunately charizard just isnt strong enough

[split hamlet]

hasnt been doing the worst though

but im low elo so

it hits around the same as my walking wake

[rapid barn]

it does not hit the same as wake

[elder knoll]

what

It gets a free choice item in sun

[rapid barn]

doesnt make it hit harder than choiced wake with a better stab

[split hamlet]

i mean shi fire blast is around the same power

correct me if im wrong

[rapid barn]

bit lower

[split hamlet]

still boosted in sun

[rapid barn]

less accuracy

oh yeah

[split hamlet]

i think it can work

im just trying to find the right ev spreads for the rest

replaced slither with gambit for more resistances

[elder knoll]

252 SpA Solar Power Charizard Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 190-225 (29.1 - 34.5%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers

244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 168-198 (25.7 - 30.3%) -- 1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Sure buddy

[elder knoll]

Literally more damage

💀

[split hamlet]

thanks i knew i wasnt tweakin

[rapid barn]

its gonna die before you get that far 😭

[split hamlet]

thats why i have hat

[nocturne sable]

Charizard is not the most consistent Mon but I disagree with it not being strong

Literally the only reason you would try and use it on Sun is its power boost from solar power

[wooden mountain]

If u wanna use Zard, atp go all out with specs

[split hamlet]

the speed is really nice though

and it already hits hard

[wooden mountain]

U can cover that with speed wake and maybe chlorophyll users

Then u let Zard cover the fat mu

[split hamlet]

true

ill test it

[split hamlet]

should i run speed or atk tusk though

been trying to figure this out

[split hamlet]

or wait i could make the wake do it

[wooden mountain]

No point in Zard then

[shut geyser]

https://pokepast.es/05985df97198cb8a

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

There’s no chlorophyll users so zard would have to be scarf

[nocturne sable]

The 6 mons look fine but some of the sets need to be adjusted a little bit

Dirge should be special defensive to cover for stuff like enam iron moth etc.

Corv should be brave bird>>body press for Woger.

I would make gambit lefties Tera blast here if you’re running bulky gambit.

-make tusk offensive utility tusk(max attack max speed) defensive tusk is mid+you already have corv to sponge up physical attacks.

-Swords dance mixed valiant? That’s really wack I would just make it full special calm mind here with like moonblast shadow ball tbolt/encore.

specs Ghold is whatever. I don’t think Ghold is needed here in general since it’s just kinda overlapping with dirge & gambit as a ghost & steel type. I would remove Ghold for a water resist to prevent stuff like woger & wake form spamming water stab for free which seems to be the case with your team. I would replace Gholdengo with wogerpon here. Wogerpon could be utility woger with like synthesis/horn leech, spikes U-turn here.

Oh yea one more thing. Headlong rush>>>Earthquake

[shut geyser]

Oke thanks!

[vital hull]

Im doing a poke tourney I know these pokes together are terrible but they are what I got and i can replace any of them I cant have any lgs or paradox. Volcarona
Gyrados HA
Ferrothorn
Corviknight
Gargacl
aegislash

[nocturne sable]

I don’t know what tier this for but this is definitely not the channel for this.

Also we don’t help with arbitrary formats or rules

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

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[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/484308283980c895

i changed from dragonite to bolt bcs the team ran into the issue of insta losing agaisnt iron press zamasenta the moment that it loses gholdengo and darkrai

it still gives me priority plus another special attacker

[nocturne sable]

I mean that’s why you keep Ghold healthy. It’s physdef Ghold it should be tanking Id zama decently unless it like flinch crits with crunch

And tbh specs bolt is really random here especially on a team that doesn’t have any pivots

[sterile jay]

truee its just that since i do need gholdengo to switch into some situations sometimes its difficult to keep him alive

[sterile jay]

i was thinking of calm mind better honestly but i am still testing

i changed to boots

[elder knoll]

Your ground resist is Woger now

[nocturne sable]

I think what can work is something like this https://pokepast.es/054cec4b1a5939d3

[elder knoll]

this will struggle to break

Prob should convert something to have more immediate power

[sterile jay]

also part of why i changed from dragonite to bolt

[nocturne sable]

Hmm. Ig you can run offensive zama im thinking

[sterile jay]

tera blast dragonite is interesting tho

[nocturne sable]

I think dnite is pretty reliable at set up sweeping though. Tblast flying hits super hard with sd boosted

[elder knoll]

Is Zama even needed if you have tusk and scarf Rai

🤔

[sterile jay]

thats

a good point

actually

its a good defensive wall and potent attacker

but i guess other mon could fill that role

also super fast

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/9fd2397fbf245d5e I thought about converting this to a more spikestack route with like sharp beak over boots on dnite for stronger tblast flying

[sterile jay]

i will try it out tyy

@nocturne sable i think the team is it it feels really good

plus its a similar idea to the hazard stack i had originally w ting lu a little lmao

[nocturne sable]

Ic, nice to hear that 👍

[regal yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/e16be778176fbe33
Kinda new to OU. One thing i've been thinking about is swapping gholdengo for something, maybe iron valiant...? ghost is useful though. Would also help with the ground weakness I have. For great tusk, I've also been considering clos combat, but ice spinner has been really useful occasionally. im also starting to think flame body will be more useufl than flash fire.

[regal ginkgo]

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[chilly tundra]

Black Glasses Tera Dark Gambit is horrifying

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/0f0c485b906a7de8

Made some wdits to my old team, is fire punch dnite ok?

Fire punch DNite is supposed to help with the Corv and Gholdengo matchup

I’m trying to decide between fire punch or encore for sub zama

[rapid barn]

I mean the set is kinda weird

Why not run boots or the loaded dice variant at that point

[low phoenix]

Ppl thought Tera blast dnite was weird until they tried it

[elder knoll]

Idk if NP Deo fits the pace of this team

[low phoenix]

ive tried it and it works

[elder knoll]

You def want roost on your Dnite

tho

🤔

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-16915269632910713693

[low phoenix]

np deo fits on not just offense imo

it was originally a hazard stack but hatterene is everywhere rn and the original team didnt really have any breakers

[elder knoll]

Tbh

why not just drop the Gweezy

it’s like

[low phoenix]

i think g weezy has seen use in offense in tournament play

[elder knoll]

That one polar bear meme

[elder knoll]

idk what it’s doing for you

here

checking Woger IG?

[low phoenix]

what do u recommend

[elder knoll]

I’m thinking you want another special attacker that can bully Lu

[low phoenix]

gholdengo?

metal coat

[elder knoll]

Cause Deo is reliant on FB +2 to beat Lu

and fb is sus af

😭

[low phoenix]

ima try gholdengo

g weezing was my zam check lmao

[elder knoll]

Could work

oh

💀

[low phoenix]

zam woger check poison absorber double removal will o wisp spreader for phys attackers

[elder knoll]

t-spikes absorber

[low phoenix]

yea thats what i mean

[elder knoll]

Could just go Hatty

Tbf

[low phoenix]

pain split hatt

what item for dnite then

or set

also leftovers allowed me to go encore lmao

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/6193af03e4e9ce14

[regal ginkgo]

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[mental iron]

https://pokepast.es/9037dbfaa57cb79c is this any good?

[nocturne sable]

Not bad for a new person. Although yea that ground weakness needs to be patched up a little bit.

In general I feel like there’s a lot of overlaps here. You probably right about not really needing dengo but let’s see.

https://pokepast.es/42e582c25ee9e3a2 something like these 6 can work.

Teras.
can still be experimented around with. Gambit can easily be Tera fairy or something else for example. Although the 6 here is decent.

I made rillaboom AV so you have a less difficult time switching into stuff like prim etc

[nocturne sable]

Hazard removal kinda non existent and not sure if you can afford to run sub iron moth with only solo taunt Lando as your hazard prevention.

Maybe add something like glimm over moth here? Gives you a tspikes absorber as well and still preserves the fairy resist.

[deft zealot]

I'm no expert by any means but i guess you could adjust the tera types and use your last 4 ev point on some pokemons

[mental iron]

the teras are for bonus stab

also the plus 4 evs

i didnt noticed that lmao , thanks

will fix that

[deft zealot]

tera fire on tusk isn't great, tera fairy on kingambit is cool but usually flying is better

[mental iron]

what should i use on tusk then?

[deft zealot]

i think tera water or steel is nice cuz you resist ice and 1 other weakness respectively. But again I'm no expert so I'm just pointing out what standed out to me

[nocturne sable]

The mons here aren’t that bad however some of the sets here are kinda meh.

I don’t really like booster attack tusk here especially with the moves you’re running. I would rather go lefties or rocky helmet here.

Why is tankchomp rest here? I get wanting longevity but you would much rather want something like dragon tail to actually force hazard chip with phasing.

Dont really get the point of Hamurott here, let alone banded if you’re already using tankchomp as your spikes setter?

You also fail to cover basic defensive checks like a ground immune or a proper fairy resist.

Team is lowkey kinda bad but it’s still salvageable kinda

https://pokepast.es/bc84a9e3462488a9 something like this I can see working. Zapdos gives you a proper ground immune for Lando & tusk. Av hamu allows you to check dark and ghost types like Ghold pult rai etc better. Rilla provides water resist+extra priority outside of hamu with grassy glide.

Gholdengo is your primary hazard blocker here, pretty self explanatory.

[nocturne sable]

Honestly woger can lowkey be dropped for something like gholdengo here. Team looks pretty weak to freeze dry+you already have dnite and tusk as physical attackers so you can afford to drop woger & add in another special attack to assist in breaking down stuff for deoxys.

you might also want something like shadow ball>>recover on deo-speed for hatt, Ghold, etc.

And for the dnite I think you can experiment with roost DD fire punch e speed

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/13e6886591397a9c thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade cedar]

I feel like I can switch prim or bolt with something like g-slowking

[echo rampart]

shuca gking seems like a good add yeah

i would drop bolt on this build and make ogerpon trailblaze for offense MU

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/9347c428971dd024 im guessing something like this based on what ash said

[jade cedar]

I feel like shuca gking is a bit niche, it's a one time thing, I prefer it being htb to not worry about hazard

[deft zealot]

https://pokepast.es/9761e40777def641 first team i built. A bit wonky but I managed to get to 1500 rating with it. Looking for improvements

[jade cedar]

if you want scarf lando rocks are literally unnecessary on it, you already have a mon that has rocks the teras need some needed changes, also if you want bulky treads just give it 252 HP/ 252 Spe/ 4 Atk, if you want to keep that set switch the item with hdb

[deft zealot]

yeah i felt like that about treads too, but i found out that with max attack it is capable to ko a lot of main threats

also you're right about landorus but I dont really like to use crunch on it cuz most of the time it is not that helpful

it can also function as a suicide setter but it is indeed kinda goofy

[mental iron]

how do i even touch garganacl with these?i am personally very bad against that

[jade cedar]

lando has outrage, not super good but still something, or maybe jsut give it tera blast with an offensive tera like fairy or flying for stab

[deft zealot]

i prefer a water cause it can pick an unexpected ko with a defensive tera

but imma try that

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/18e4a765c4dd750f

[deft zealot]

also i don't really like pechurant cuz it takes a lot of damage from knockoffs but i didnt find an alternative physical wall with a pivoting move

[nocturne sable]

You have Hisui samurott rillaboom and great tusk 💀💀💀💀

And gholdengo

Wdym you can’t touch garg

[jade cedar]

...Mola exists, also scizor has a lot of more useful moves then bug bite, x-scissor is better or use u-turn for pivoting, berries are generally non-existance in the format it's not that useful

[nocturne sable]

What are you trying to build here? Like a porygon balance or something?

[deft zealot]

i completely forgot about alomomola. bug bite is boosted by technician and amis actually a bit more powerful than x scissor

[jade cedar]

not just mola, corv is also not bad

[deft zealot]

I really wanted to try out porygon and realized i actually outspeeds a lot of staples if invested at max speed. Other team member were added by experimenting. My main strategy is to pick an early ko and then reposition with lando/slowking/pechurant using lots of pivoting moves

idk really know what I'm doing tbh but i kinda like how the team runs

[deft zealot]

completely forgot about them, thanks a lot

[clear phoenix]

Leavanny @ Choice Band
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Leaf Blade
• X-Scissor
• Tera Blast
• Knock Off

Tornadus @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Sunny Day
• Tailwind
• Knock Off
• U-turn

Chandelure @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Heat Wave
• Shadow Ball
• Energy Ball
• Tera Blast

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature

• Ice Beam
• Tera Blast
• Trick Room
• Protect

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Fake Out

Sinistcha @ Leftovers
Ability: Hospitality
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hex
• Matcha Gotcha
• Life Dew
• Protect

Can anyone see any glaring issues with this ou team? Im having lots of success but it may just be luck

[jade cedar]

also I recommend switching a lot of the teras here, make pech tera fairy if you're going to keep it, in this team ground can be handled but knock off is another problem, fairy is good for that, make iron threads water more helpful with it's weakness and you have another ground type so electric isn't a concern

[deft zealot]

I think I chose tera flying on pechurant cuz it got shredded by kingambit with tera fairy. I honestly don't remember why I chose tera ground but it helped a couple of times but you're probably right about both of them

[deft zealot]

isn't this more of a vgc team?

[clear phoenix]

uh yeah 😭 is this like the wrong server

mb gng

[jade cedar]

I mean you have lando that easily one-shot and cripple gambit if it's slightly chipped

[nocturne sable]

Polygon isn’t the best but noticeable speed tiers it outspeeds are tusk, max speed pecha, Ghold, hamu, rilla etc

[deft zealot]

yeah it's especially useful against gholdengo because it is immune to shadow ball and most of the time it get a special boost and outspeeds

[sterile jay]

@nocturne sable i ended up switching from hatterene to zapdos for a defensive pivot

it helps me w thunderwave support and can come in in a lot of the same thigns hatterene can

also it has a way to pivot out wich gives me a ton more of momentum

hatterene didnt help a lot plus i already have something to remove hazards and gholdengo to deny status (also felt like a massive momentum loss)

[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/eb3a7ddfd3e7dffa i want to keep oger/heatran/alo/torn but im open to changing ghold and tusk

[regal ginkgo]

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[atomic mango]

forgot to have an odd hp and forgot to change the tera type on torn but it's fixed now

[nocturne sable]

Makes sense

[nocturne sable]

General base of team is solid though outside of that right?

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/1825302e8abc6116

rmt

[elder knoll]

Kyurem victim/10

[nocturne sable]

And now you give your opponent a free turn

[rapid barn]

xD

[rapid barn]

aside from hyper beam for trolling, what other moves are good?

[sterile jay]

its greaat

only other thing i am considering is the dragonite set

since having a tera hog can be quite anoying at times but still its pretty great tyy for the help w it goaat

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/c00c781512a22edb

I might need more failsafes for setup gambit

[nocturne sable]

Ghost resist kinda lacking here and team looks pretty weak to dnite.

Unfortunately I’m going to have to change one of Ogerpon/heatran/alomomola/torn.

https://pokepast.es/12b45cf6c711970c here’s what I came up with. Classic Tornpechlu core with alomomola wish passing and hatt hazard bouncing

[nocturne sable]

Hisui Zoroark is kinda mid nowadays nowadays so idrc.

Ig you run tricks if you’re running choice Zoroark but I don’t recommend running it in general

[rapid barn]

its working pretty well rn, picking up a lot of surprise kos and the resists are useful

im considering trick, but maybe shadow sneak or will o or something

not rlly having any problems with bulkier teams, tera normal specs hyper voice wrecks

theres also u-turn or knock off

cant really decide between all those options tbh

but rn im mostly using hyper beam to clean up or to trade

[rapid barn]

aside from that, any other suggestions?

I think knock off on tusk instead of spinner might be better,

but aside from that idk

[nocturne sable]

Yk what I’m lowkey hearing out like knock off hisui Zoroark kinda

Ig it has the potential to offer decent roll compression as a secondary spin blocker. With knock trick etc

[rapid barn]

ye

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/a8421110409c38c2 idk something like this you can experiment with Zoroarks moveset honestly

[rapid barn]

mmm

with hazard stack and the specs, and its a pretty potent wallbreaker

kinda playing like a bloodmoon lite

I think ill put knock off on zoro or tusk to help remove boots easier

[nocturne sable]

I think one thing I would keep is scarf trick Zoroark though

If you were to keep it

[rapid barn]

kk!

overall I tested a few games, worked pretty well as a spin blocker and picked up a lot of surprise kos

you are right though hyper beam did not come in action too often

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/80b494ff93d35921
Iffy ghost mu but samu should be enough

Maybe i can make treads spdef

[flat jackal]

Changed hamu for ddance dragonite

[elder knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/kyurem-legendary-pokemon-tao-trio-dragon-type-pokemon-ice-type-pokemon-gif-2510345322031242182

[wooden linden]

Kyu ive noticed is like

Sorta ok

Usually i knock with treads and trade

If its dd i tera oger into encore

Havent checked specs yet though

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @flat bane, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/322db9d42f82ed72
Repost

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/0dbee5bae2194621 this is a mess the main core is hamu-dengo-base pon

clef is idk cm also works here or be utility and make scor sd

[cedar sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/63b439944e52a28e

[regal ginkgo]

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[inner terrace]

did u mean slowking

cause slowbro doesnt get chilly right

[cedar sentinel]

yes

mb

https://pokepast.es/5e4296ad8ac31b56

[inner terrace]

i would make treads some sort of spdef lefties

[cedar sentinel]

im having a hard time againt darkrai

and great fusk

tusk*

[cedar sentinel]

hm

[inner terrace]

or actually

ur kinda weak to gambit

so maybe tusk?

[cedar sentinel]

i mean my team is already weak to water and ice

thats why i chose treads

instead of tusk

[inner terrace]

well u have mola

for freeze dry u have gking

[cedar sentinel]

true but how do i attack

with everything weak to ice and water

[inner terrace]

wdym

[cedar sentinel]

nvm im new so i probably made mistakes

so tusk is better than treads?

[inner terrace]

like you can switch on water/ice moves and click chilly/flip turn into your mons

i think so

[cedar sentinel]

for my team

[inner terrace]

otherwise ur weak to gambit

[cedar sentinel]

true alr

thanks

[inner terrace]

np

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/cb80c5576cacbd04

[nocturne sable]

Scarf enam for speed control. Other than that looks standard

Would also make kingambit low kick to pressure darks

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/0b6c256d2f5d3b45 ended up turning this into some gterrain bs.

Not sure your hamu set would keep up with the pace of style though. I’m thinking on just making it regular AV and making hatt like a set up clefable

[nocturne sable]

Team looks like regular bootspam. I personally would like to go for a more spikestack route but future sight+zama & gambit could be a decent source of breaking power

[cedar sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/79c072ecff873e6c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cedar sentinel]

i think this is a mess
if there is anyone willing to help with building a team with what i want dm me

[limber spear]

oh ic ( bad teams = covert into a g terrain team and it’s good

[cedar sentinel]

[limber spear]

ehh for starters

there is no woger check

boots gambit is p meh and maybe just maybe boots dengo is better here

the team is p slow with the fastest mon just being 311

iron hands with booster energy is better in like ho stuff which this isn’t

generally lefties/balloon gambit would be better here

iirc sd scor is a woger check cuz it demands tera more often and gives more value out of it

[jade cedar]

make lokix banded, you need some breaking power and without tera woger is getting one-shotted, also ye gambit isn't really dangered by hazards so just give leftovers make the tera ghost but I recommand flying since tusk sets these days run headlong rush more, also you need removal, iron hands is kinda met just make it tusk gives you rocks and removal

make clef unaware or cm set this cute blob can be real nuance

[stable nymph]

Not a woger check

[cedar sentinel]

well thats good and all but i dont know how i can dmg dondozo without any elec or grass

its too bulky

[limber spear]

lokix and knock and try to pressure with hazards maybe offensive np dengo can work here it has a decent stall mu

[nocturne sable]

I see you’re trying to build some Hstack BO kinda.

I’m going to be honest. Iron hands doesn’t fit here. Outside of that it shouldn’t look bad.

https://pokepast.es/516809fd2530022e something like this can work

[cedar sentinel]

im actually creating a team to play in a discord bot ou ladder

i cant afford leggies so i try not to add em

i need a good replacement for zama

there

[nocturne sable]

:/ I’m not sure I can help you with arbitrary restrictions like that.

I would probably have to go a completely different direction with the team if that’s the case.

And there’s a general rule of no legendary stuff