SV OU Rates

[alpine hornet]

yes. true.

✅

[humble elk]

https://pokepast.es/7f40b95e11df6e4d

are emm tee!

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[humble elk]

lild ragonite time

team

[blissful nebula]

Looks good from first glance
A standard bulky offense

[echo rampart]

rock slide dnite is usually to bait molt for something else to thrive but on this team its kinda built like the guy who should be sweeping

for example with moltres gone, taunt bulk up ice spinner tusk can sweep

conversely though, you can do head smash tusk + non rock slide dnite and those pair pretty well together

[humble elk]

ohh I see

[humble elk]

hmm head smash over what?

spinner, I think? I havent been clicking that move much in my matches

[echo rampart]

yea it would be eq head smash taunt bulk up

with speed booster

[humble elk]

Ah I guess i dont need a spinner much huh?

how do I get to boost speed

[limber spear]

u would use booster energy

[humble elk]

yeah

its max hp max speed

4 atk

js saw it now

[humble elk]

i feel like i kinda want rocks tho right

[limber spear]

prolly cuz rock hits flying already which is what spinner does most of the time

both mamo stab and edge quake r hard to resist

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/c31d97dfa42a53f5 😭 repost but i had knock>glide(woger) cuz facing like dnite/kyurem its a sitting duck but the set is nasty

[quartz stream]

yeah rilla forces oger out with half decent gameplay and farms hazard damage on it

oops didn't mean to ping

[inner terrace]

nws

[inner terrace]

how does this fare off

doesnt seem that bad

i'd run recover on ghold tho

over fblast

[limber spear]

stall mu isnt the greatest

despite woger

so recover tera fairy? (dengo)

which i think stall mu is just me playing poorly

[inner terrace]

tera steel

prolly

stall is winnable

you can abuse trick ghold with terrain boots tusk

[rose patrol]

Hey made this bulky offense team https://pokepast.es/fef6ddb99ff101f3

Thoughts

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

clef hariyama and hippo dont make sense here

i'd use ghold over clef, hands over hariyama

hippo can be dropped for like tusk or treads

[rose patrol]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/7ade964db51c64e1

[inner terrace]

run grassy seed ghold and av samu

[nocturne sable]

Shouldn’t rilla be extender at this point then

[covert rune]

team’s too slow

scarf dengo

av samurott

[nocturne sable]

This team already has 2 priority users + a tornadus it’s not that slow

[quartz stream]

the band rilla seems like a good idea for the priority

[inner terrace]

band rilla is kinda ass

it's tough to lock yourself into a move and then get pivoted on by birds like molt/corv or let skarm get max spikes or let dnite come in and dd for free

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/6215f3add3eb0e4b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

this is fine but do keep in mind no ground

also band rilla not the best

better to use sd

could run booster treads over heatran

[flat jackal]

Is terrain extender rilla good?

I feel like my team kinda lacks defense against set up tusk and tera ground kyurem

[inner terrace]

i dont really like terrain extender

it's prolly fine tho

[flat jackal]

Got it

[inner terrace]

as for setup tusk u have hatt

imo hatt should be like pain split phys def

basically just the cm set except pnoise over shock/stored and psplit over cm

nuzzle over mfire

[flat jackal]

I see

[blissful nebula]

U could try power herb solar beam offensive Heatran

Scarf Serperiorr too

Anything that abuses grassy terrrain

Grassy glide SD ogerpon

Wellspring

[flat jackal]

Oooh sounds like a nice strat

[blissful nebula]

Or tealpon

[flat jackal]

I also considered woger glide

[quartz stream]

is leftovers zama still good on gterrain teams?

[low phoenix]

use pokepaste next time please

i dont like this tusk set you are absolute fodder vs gliscor lando t change it to standard offensive tusk

change valiant to its mixed set

change slowking g to standard boots with future sight/psychic noise

i think kingambt and av primarina would do well over gholdengo and corviknight for some matchups like darkrai and dragapult

[queen magnet]

what moves will be good??

i built my team around dragapult

[low phoenix]

look at the smogdex sets

for the mons i mentioned would be good

[queen magnet]

thankss, i really like corviknight, do i really need to change it??

[queen magnet]

im new to showdown, so do I copy the exact movesets written in the smogon dex

?

[low phoenix]

yes

smogdex sets are extensively tested and used by good players

[low phoenix]

you need something to switch into ghosts/darks

[queen magnet]

would primarina work well with corviknight???

[queen magnet]

tysmm

[low phoenix]

prim and corv are typically seen on different kinds of teamstyles

[queen magnet]

i seee

[low phoenix]

prim is mostly good for trading with assault vest and stallbreaking with calm mind + psychic noise sets

corviknight is a bulky pivot that can switch into alot of stuff like great tusk iron treads iron valiant dragonite and soft-check ogerpon wellspring and kyurem depending on the set

[queen magnet]

there is soo much to think about 😭😭 how did you manage to learn all this???

[low phoenix]

you can check the descriptions for each mon if you want to learn more

just play more

the more you play the more familiar you get

knowing is one thing but you gotta play if you want to get better

[queen magnet]

so valiant, tusk, dragapult, slowking-galar is confirmed, what do you suggest to be my last 2?

[queen magnet]

got it

[low phoenix]

highest elo ive been was like 1780 i can prob peak higher if i really tried but laddering is ass ngl its you vs actual high level tournament players/people who play showdown all day when you get to high ladder lmao

[low phoenix]

i mentionde primarina and kingambit before didn't i?

[queen magnet]

ohh yeaa mb

[low phoenix]

all g

[queen magnet]

yeaa thats lot of work

anyways, tysmm really appreciate it

[low phoenix]

yea i think pinkacross is a good starting point to learn stuff like midgrounds cores calculating risk vs reward for each turn reading your opponent etc

youre welcome

[queen magnet]

yeaa hes the goat, i just discovered him yesterday

[dense hatch]

https://pokepast.es/722a581390234216

Pls rate my team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense hatch]

some1 answer

[inner terrace]

ace over tusk

always tun bolt faster than jolly gambit

i would run rocks lando over pon

knock > cc on val

tera dark val

can run encore over sub

run mirror coat over jet on mola

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/e33c4517e32545b4 how do I finish this team? Are some members bad? (all I care about is keeping araq and zapdos)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

it's webs so it's not gonna be inherently bad just very fishy

you have like 3 good abusers

run a real item on gapdos

idk what it would be but

[tepid hazel]

life orb?

[inner terrace]

uhh im not sure

could work

but lorb is like

i dont like the recoil on bulk up

[tepid hazel]

and should I drop bulk up

[inner terrace]

no

it's the one setup move it gets right

[tepid hazel]

yeah

no swords dance 🙁

[inner terrace]

yea then keep it

like sitrus or ebelt would work

ebelt prolly fine

[tepid hazel]

It also has a signature move called thunderous kick

90 dmg and drops defense 100%

[inner terrace]

oh yeah

use that one

i thought u were

last mon could be like dd nite

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/09f965e8503466dc Here's my edit

oh wait I might want to change the ghold set

[covert rune]

this is just bad

it feels bad

idk how to explain it

[tepid hazel]

😭

Is there a way I can make it good if i build from araq and galarian zapdos

[covert rune]

first of all webs is just shit in gen 9 ou

taunt defog and rapid spinners everywhere

ur better off running veil

[tepid hazel]

hmm

I am a veil lover

I could do like uh... ninetales and manaphy maybe

[inner terrace]

as far as webs go this is literally fine

but it's also only gonna be as good as webs is

which is fish

[tepid hazel]

does anyone have a rain team i can borrow

[inner terrace]

let's see what i have

there's rain samples

[tepid hazel]

I have a cool idea with overqwil

[elder knoll]

Hi Quacc

[inner terrace]

hello

[inner terrace]

rain is really fish but here's one of mine
https://pokepast.es/e1e7aff718a3e73f

rain is reliant on making a lotta plays vs a lot of team structures

including bolt and pon, kyurem is also a bit threatening

[tepid hazel]

thank you

[inner terrace]

bolt is easier with treads tbf

but then you would needa go like treads over tusk and bolt over ghold

which is fine as well

[quartz stream]

playing rain into ogerpon is awful, same goes for mono water into mono grass

[nocturne sable]

There has been some tech for woger on certain rain teams like toxicroak & defensive Hisui decidueye

But generally most woger Cplay on rain comes from the mix of Raging bolt, Overqwil, bully kingambit, etc

[quartz stream]

the toxicroak technology is pretty funny, I tried it myself and then didn't see a single woger for 5 games

so I'd say toxicroak seems to work very well

[nocturne sable]

Yea toxicroak is pretty shit outside of woger MU

[covert rune]

rain is fucking Dogshit

if ur using rain ur getting to atleast 1400 elo

then ur gonna be stuck till u use a correct team

or u can match up fish

[nocturne sable]

There has been some rain teams that hit high ladder

It’s matchup fishy but not impossible to climb the ladder with

[covert rune]

mustve been in 2023

[nocturne sable]

Nope, there has been a recent one with Hisui decidueye in it

[covert rune]

oh yea i fought it

6-0’d it

complete dogshit team

hisui decidueye didnt do shot

[nocturne sable]

Also the beartic rain team & specs talonflame rain team

[covert rune]

i was genuinely laughing

[covert rune]

specs talonflame..?

beartic rain team?

this is SV ou rates

not sv ru rates

[nocturne sable]

There has been a team like that that has reached high ladder in OU

[covert rune]

whats higher ladder for u

[nocturne sable]

Believe me those teams have reached around 1800s before

[covert rune]

“believe me” no im not gonna believe u

[inner terrace]

to be fair u can reach 1800 running anything

for example servine

[quartz stream]

I remember seeing pokeaim run the swift swim beartic team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pgh3jDNzCE

so the fact that it made it to high ladder is legit

[covert rune]

pokeaim

first of all

it did not “make it to the high ladder”

pokeaim is already on the high ladder

he just used the team there

thats like me bringing a full team of little cup pokemon

and saying “This little cup team made it to the higherladder”

no the fuck it didnt

[quartz stream]

he said that it peaked at #41 on the ladder, I googled it and in 5 seconds found the original post

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/beartic-rain-peaked-at-41-on-ladder-1914-elo.3765935/

in the time it took you to write those 10 messages, you could have just looked it up

[covert rune]

no because i dont look up shit pokemon

and u can get on the high ladder with anything

just match up fish to victory

[quartz stream]

at first "no I don't believe you"
then "it's not true"
then "well it's true but it's just matchup fish"

[covert rune]

.

read before u argue little boy

i’ve been saying its possible via match up fishing from the beginning

[ashen ore]

?

[nocturne sable]

That’s true

1800s isn’t the highest of high but it’s still an indicator that’s you’re at least half competent

[inner terrace]

debatable

he isnt always 1900 or even 1800

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/002d22ba0f281496

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flat jackal]

Yum alolan ninetales and iron crown core

[inner terrace]

yea no we are not running screens balance

u need multiple setup mons to work with screens

get rid of kyu mola (or make kyu dd) and then add another setup

[flat jackal]

Im thinking of replacing mola with either valiant or ogerpon-w

Cuz i have a tough time dealing with zapdos and kingambit i might choose val

[trail whale]

please drop the the condescending tone and stop giving confident advice in metas you aren't knowledgeable on

rain is fishy and relies on playing better vs common threats, but basing its viability off of a personal anecdote and saying they'll be stuck at 1400 is just misinfo. furthermore

"first of all webs is just shit in gen 9 ou, you're better off using Veil" and it

• gets SCL & SPL wins
• ranked B on the VR
• Araq and Bee combined are more common than Veil
  and if you "don't know how to explain it", there really is no reason to post anything. raters will get to it when they can, and incorrect/misleading advice is worse than no advice

[placid yarrow]

With veil you generally want a faster pace
You typically want as many sweepers to back atales up
With 1 support mon at most
kingambit is a good idea
But the rest range from underwhelming(crown) to complete tempo mismatch

The best kyurem sets on a veil team are ddance variants the most common one being mixed ddance to get the ddance boosts and freeze dry being dumb thing but physical ddance is valid

Veil also has a big problem with hazards so some control(treads or hatt is much appreciated)

From there fill the rest of your slots with sweepers

But the core to any good veil team realy is atales and the hazard control support

Hatt is a sweeper itself and magic bounce can be more game changing than rapid spin but it can't remove hazards once they are there

Treads gives you a rock setter as well as a 1 time speed control and a decent bolt check but it's damage output without ending it's lifespan is pitiful

These two veil teams from the veil rfaq show two ways you can build this style
You can
1.Build it so each sweeper can dominate a different matchup while still contributing in others(bulk up ceruledge to cover fat structures, psyshock+focus blast tera poison rai to cover stall, agility gliscor and zamazenta to cover offense etc)
2.the other is throwing 4 different sweepers with treads support to overwhelm your opponent

If you want to go the balance/bulky offense team route
Slowking-Galar+kyurem is a good starting point
Then show us the rest of the team once you finish

[flat jackal]

got it

[clear wagon]

https://pokepast.es/13b35e8b82bfb3af bit help with the team im trying to run a moth/zap/pon core

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clear wagon]

my problem is i need a stealth rocker and a scarfer

and my team is kinda weak to sun and or moltres

[covert rune]

im not wrong webs is ass in gen 9 ou, just because a team won in a tournament that doesnt mean anything

tournaments are completely different from laddering

people in touraments literally try to match up fish

and sometimes they get punished for it

[echo rampart]

webs are used all the time at high level

[ancient juniper]

this is literally just wrong

[covert rune]

no its not

u cant ladder with a team from a tournament

u can but it’ll be harder than just using a normal team

because tournament teams are literally made as match up fishing

[covert rune]

no theyre not

because in high ladder people usually run taunt

• if ur opp is using boots spam or hatterene + tusk ur gonna get destroyed

[ancient juniper]

?

this only happens in metas with bad ladders (which means the tour meta is actually disconnect from the ladder meta)

svou from my observation is not one of those metas

[clear wagon]

Love it when some self proclaimed pro gives his advice (he was top 100 for 3 days)

[nocturne sable]

??? One of the most common web setters(ribombee) is fast enough to not care about being taunted(outside of lead deoxys) but it can still reliable set up webs in that case.

Also hatt gets skilled swapped by ribombee so webs literally doesn’t lose to hatt offence

Again. Please refrain from giving tiering advice and commenting on teams when you don’t know what you’re talking about

[ancient juniper]

oh also i might as well add i have only ever seen this happen in ubers and above power level metas

[covert rune]

let me tell how this is going to go

hatterene nuzzles ribombee on the skill swap

u break its sash and full para it

u have 2 options

go tusk rapid spin on the webs and kill it next turn

since u live a moonblast

or just kill it immediately and remove the webs later if ur boots spam

cus at the end it doesnt matter

[covert rune]

also just because its fast doesnt mean it immediately ignores taunt lol

[covert rune]

yes it is

some guy brought a horrible team for tournament

it was pecharunt kyurem dragonite

some wack teambuilding

he was trying to match up fish

ended up losing

he wasnt a bad player as well

[covert rune]

u cant ladder with that team

most teams in tourneys from what i realized

[nocturne sable]

Yes it does what’s going to be fast enough to taunt it and prevent it from setting webs up outside deoxys-speed

[covert rune]

are boots spam with 0 hazard removal

[covert rune]

taunters with prankster

and also treads shuts down ribombee completely

• it sets up rocks on it

webs is just horrible

it fell off

only good during match up fishing

[flat jackal]

ou doesnt have prankster taunter as i remember

[covert rune]

grimmsnarl

[ancient juniper]

grimmsnarl apparently

🥀

[flat jackal]

🥀

[covert rune]

also tornadus

[ancient juniper]

because thats less mu fishy than webs

[covert rune]

but it doesnt matter

its not my main argument

i was using it as an example

but treads completely shuts down ribombee

[nocturne sable]

And what viable prankster taunt users exist in OU?

[covert rune]

grimmsnarl

[nocturne sable]

Grimmsnarl is not viable

[covert rune]

it got on the ladder and it was used in a tournament

its viable

ur logic btw

wasnt arquanid ou for a bit?

now it dropped to nu

shows u how hard webs fell off

[nocturne sable]

Not really. Ribombee is just the favoured webs setter right now

[covert rune]

ribombee is also nu

it used to be UU

[nocturne sable]

Because it’s not used outside of 1 playstyle usage stats don’t really mean much

Alolan Ninetales is in the same tier but it’s obviously viable as a veil setter

[covert rune]

alolan ninetales is PU

its THE only veil setter

[magic dome]

light clay is banned in uu

[covert rune]

yet its still higher than ribombee and arquanid

araquanid

araquanid used to be OU when it was used on webs team

saying “theyre low because theyred use on 1 playstyle only” doesnt make sense

when it was ou for a couple months

webs just fell off completely

theres pretty much no need for webs when its entirely match up fishing reliant

and u have booster energy now

pure hyper offense just outclasses webs

[magic dome]

webs just got 2080 on the ladder and glimm ho is kinda buns rn

lets not have a discussion in the rates channel

move this elsewhere

[covert rune]

show me

@nocturne sable y r u skull reacting

literally told u and showed u why webs fell off

[magic dome]

not 2080, 2046, but here

[covert rune]

both webs setters fell to the lowest tier in the entire smogon formatting

[magic dome]

Thread 'Haunted (Peak #2 - 2046 ELO - 85.4% GXE)' https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/haunted-peak-2-2046-elo-85-4-gxe.3773785/

[magic dome]

1 they didnt 2 that doesnt matter at all for ou

[covert rune]

good for the player that just means hes good

or he got the match up needed to win

that still doesnt prove my point

[magic dome]

every other game above 1800 is versus webs 😭

[covert rune]

someone can get on the ladder with an eviolite tange,a

[magic dome]

idk what to tell you bro

[covert rune]

its not

its against tinglu dnite dengo

its like the best core in the entire game

[magic dome]

im not gonna disagree but webs is still spammed

[covert rune]

last time i saw webs was on the law ladder 3 weeks ago on my alt

[covert rune]

low*

alright

[final relic]

i mean

honestly it could go in the vr

ive found it to be pretty nice actually and sz has been spamming it in the 2000s too

every other point though uh

[clear wagon]

https://pokepast.es/13b35e8b82bfb3af bit help with the team im trying to run a moth/zap/pon core
my problem is i need a stealth rocker and a scarfer
and my team is kinda weak to sun and or moltres

[nocturne sable]

Honestly I’m not sure of specs moth outside of Sun if I’m being honest. Can’t really see the synergy here clef Ghold and dnite all just feel kinda random

[clear wagon]

i mean they are random lol i need 3 more mons there

will booster set work on moth?

[nocturne sable]

Yea you can definitely go booster on moth. But like at this point the team kinda needs a revamp. I think you need to go back to the drawing board a little bit

[clear wagon]

i like the core i made with zap moth and pon

i just need supports around it

maybe zam and dnite?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/a6558ba8ce8b03ae
this is what i came up with. Nothing unique just relatively standard.

Moth definitely needs a lot hazard support. So tusk and hatt will be your form of hazard control.

[clear wagon]

o tysm

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/290bb92595d4b7bc the sets r p variable like choice item pult/sd rilla might work/boots attacker hamu

[eager trellis]

https://pokepast.es/b37639c92ddcfbc0 Is this team viable? I noticed it doesnt do well against corviknight so id like you to tell me what changes could I make or if i should just scrap the whole team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

hola

what does grass knot hit

[eager trellis]

good question

[echo rampart]

im assuming u want to keep cb lando but u could try soft sand with gravity or sd taunt

[eager trellis]

o

[echo rampart]

also this treads set is the most copium thing ive ever seen haha poor guy

u gotta spread those roles out among ur other teammates

[eager trellis]

[echo rampart]

he cant do it all :(

[eager trellis]

damn

guess i gotta scrap, alr thanks for the feedback

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/27f2aaeeefd30062

[inner terrace]

i think this is good

i would run psplit hatt tho

[swift forum]

https://pokepast.es/a7bd587666962370 superman veil + scarf ghold

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[placid yarrow]

A lot of the correct ideas
But 1 you need hazard control
And 2 why scarf ghold on veil when you want more sweepers

And while not strictly needed
Veil is highly encouraged to have a ground
Double Dance Scor or Treads

[placid yarrow]

Lead treads to be specifix

[swift forum]

need scarf ghold for speed control and trick is nice to bait grounds

and the whole point of the team is to ignore hazards

[placid yarrow]

Atales eating hazards

Is not exactly ideal

[swift forum]

i barely use tales tbh it only needs to come in once or twice

[placid yarrow]

If you want you can covert this to a screens team

Because deo s

Is prob better here

If you wanna forgo hazard control

Because in general
Even if atales only comes in one or two times
Even some rocks can eat into hp hindering it's ability to set veil up

[swift forum]

then gliscor and dragons are kinda annoying plus it doesn't really help much since typically deo just leads, gets screens and dies or is at low enough health to die to rocks

[placid yarrow]

Most players can usually preserve deo-s
Since it's.reflect is really fast
And either way
Is atales your gliscor/dragon answer that's a bit concerning because again like you said it only comes in once or twice

[swift forum]

those pokemon are mainly a problem on lead

[placid yarrow]

No?
Scor is annoying throughout the entire game
And dragons are endgame mons by nature

[swift forum]

like for this team

but i also do have other answers

[placid yarrow]

Sd variants are midgame progress makers and late game sweepers
Not early game

[swift forum]

i can beat many gliscor sets if i tera lati, i can tera fairy on bolt if i really need another dragon immune and i also have 2 steels

sd gliscor is kind of a bad matchup but this team is kind of a fish anyways

also its not like an autolose to sd scor i can still beat it, it just takes a few mons

[placid yarrow]

Idk man just give deo-s a shot
If it doesn't work go back to atales
The faster screens and hazard neutrality seem like a better match to me at least because if you don't want removal then why use a setter that eats crap to rocks and not have that many boosting items on the team
Idk I am just giving my thoughts based on what I am seeing here

[swift forum]

alr i guess ill try

[elder knoll]

shuca seems better than balloon

on bolt

[nocturne sable]

The only real problems i see with this is scarf gholdengo.

You can just speed booster treads for the hazard control

[nocturne sable]

Gliscor should not be a problem in general. It doesn’t tank any hits from any of your Pokemon that well. You have a lot of hard hitters like bolt gambit etc and lati can easily Tera out of the toxic Scor MU

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/e898ac4c25fc40c6

[nocturne sable]

Looks standard to me. Just curious what’s does 184 speed tusk hit specifically?

I can only think of it outspeeding max non timid heatran

[elder knoll]

Modest 252 bolt as well

this spread lives ice beam from Rai and whip from Pon iirc

while 2hko Corv with rocks up

I stole the spread from a Leng Loi team tho

[nocturne sable]

K ic. So the speed was just kinda left overs+still outspeeding those mons

[limber spear]

bump

[inner terrace]

this is kinda cool but u need to run more real items imo

like band pult

or lorb pult even

and helmet tusk maybe

[mental ermine]

first attempt at making a webs team + wanted to use ceruledge (i heard it was decent on a webs team) https://pokepast.es/ebb509ff65100f2e

not too much of a clue of what fits well on a webs team so feedback is appreciated

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/5221ebf66c6b938f

Veil team fix

I still havent decided upon kommo-o's set

[quartz stream]

araquanid and grimmsnarl have the same usage lul, and adding in ribombee they have like 60-80% more usage

anyway I'm not gonna continue the ragebait convo

[quartz stream]

defo don't run rest chesto on this team

yes it's the smogon sample set, but those are not always correct

ur running a veil team, I'd say use throat spray

last move drain punch with 4 atk and naive, or last move clanging scales with the current timid set

[flat jackal]

Yeah i changed rest to drain punch

Helps alot in ting lu encounters

[quartz stream]

I still think my endeavor lead kommo-o set is the real technology

but that's not approved by the big stall secret police, so I'll get silenced for recommending it

[flat jackal]

May i ask for more details regarding the technique?

[quartz stream]

it's something I was testing out as a suicide lead

been trying it out on a couple teams, might put one in here to get rated actually

[flat jackal]

Mmm interesting

[limber spear]

wdym by this

what does “ real item “ mean

like genuinely

[inner terrace]

generally just means like greeding no boots

[limber spear]

oh

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4d1f29032d419544 brainstormed this a while ago, what do you think?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

This is not bad but I’m not sure your hazard control is enough for that much greed in the choice items

[jade cedar]

ye I can see it but I kinda feel really limited, zap is kinda mandatory since without it there will be no good switch to woger

[inner terrace]

having no water resist is sketchy

specs pult over rai could be nice but it is a little copium of a water resist

[jade cedar]

maybe bolt or kyu?

[inner terrace]

i like having the speed here hm

you could dnite over zap but eh

[nocturne sable]

Dnite over zap would just make the team more sus to tusk imo

I I think woger being added here is not a bad idea. I think one of darkrai/Ghold can be dropped here for Woger

That way opposing woger doesn’t spam Ivy cudgel for free & you still have a pretty strong attacker in return

And make Zapdos Tera dragon to take extra measures

[jade cedar]

I think darkrai is the most likely that I should change, lokix have immediate power to be fine on it's own

[nocturne sable]

Makes sense

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/603d9cf5f8c87fea better?

[nocturne sable]

Yea

I think here I would go synthesis U-turn pon personally.

[jade cedar]

to be honest ik pon had u-turn but didn't that barely anyone uses it, it's good if woger needs to switch out on not good matchups

[nocturne sable]

Ye

Knock synthesis u-turn not bad

[elder knoll]

idk if I like Lokix on a team with tusk solo spin

Considering how much pivoting it needs to do

[jade cedar]

yeah I thought so too, still I don't see it as much of a problem, lokix is the only one that should be afraid of stealth rocks, the defensive mons are immune to hazard, ghold and oger usually won't worry about rocks

[nocturne sable]

If you want you can replace Ghold with Cinderace for extra hazard control

[jade cedar]

a team with no ghosts is incomplete my opinion, ghosts are so op in this gen that they feel necessary for most teams

[nocturne sable]

Ghost aren’t really super mandatory unless you’re running Hazard stack

& your fighting & poison resist aren’t bad(Zapdos,glowking,tusk, etc)

[jade cedar]

complete immnuites to a lot of popular and commonly used moves (CC, rapid spin, Focus blast...Etc) is never bad, also I prefer having two speed control mons on my offense teams, lokix is good but once it's gone it's a problem

[nocturne sable]

Cinderace is not a bad speed tier though

[nocturne sable]

I get the immunities are nice but it’s not the most mandatory since you’re not really Hazard stack & you already have fighting resist for CC & Focus blast

If you were to add cinderace it would still give your team on speed(even if it’s a little drop off) Cinderace, woger, Lokix is definitely not bad speed tiers

[jade cedar]

I still prefer ghold, scarf gives it the edge to outspeed and one-shot a lot of mons otherwise it shouldn't

[nocturne sable]

Still think ace wouldn’t be a bad addition for the hazard control but it’s cool if you still want to stick to Ghold it’s definitely not bad

[woeful narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/6360b14189828e2b changes ?

[jade cedar]

is this me or the team has a bit lack of instant power?

[quartz stream]

it's not just you

even more notable is literally 0 hazard control

on a team with a leftovers kyurem

[nocturne sable]

Team feels a bit off.

Tinkaton is really only enabled on Hstack teams/boots spam this team isn’t really that.

Teams defensive core is also very weak with the lack of ghost resist & lack of hazard control. I can see Ghold 6-0ing this team with ease

Which style are you aiming for directly? Hazard stack boots spam balance?

[quartz stream]

^, balloon tink absorbs knock off very well, so it can keep boots on your other teammates for a long time

but you don't really seem to be setting enough hazards to utilize that

[mental ermine]

bump

[woeful narwhal]

idk really just a quick team i made

used until i stagnated in 1600s with it

i guess how can i make it more boots balance

[blissful nebula]

yeah having no hazard control with a sub tect kyurem is shooting yourself in the foot

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/2928eeacffce421b all I really care about is keeping lokix and a regenerator mon

maybe I should add more pivot instead

[nocturne sable]

You want Boots pivot gking on a structure like that

Cinderace>>ceruledge

Last slot here should be a dragon resist

Probably a enam or sum.

[tepid hazel]

omg i love enam

are you sure i need cinderace if i have tusk

[nocturne sable]

I mean something like Lokix would want extra hazard control

[tepid hazel]

true

I should probably use the 252 atk build right

[nocturne sable]

For ace or tusk?

[tepid hazel]

ace

oh no hold on

yeah I just have no idea

https://pokepast.es/cfa6c4da12d46316 updated

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

looks pretty solid but a bit slow, is there anything in partuclar you're struggling with?

[tepid hazel]

I haven't used it yet

[echo rampart]

my first suggestion at a cursory glace is to replace Corviknight because you have Rapid Spin + Court Change. These kinds of teams usually have Choice Specs Dragapult, and you can change Enamorus to Choice Scarf

[echo rampart]

ah

for future reference we ask that you at least use the teams first before you ask for a rate :P

[tepid hazel]

oh okay

I'll play a game now

[flat jackal]

Im having a lot of trouble dealing with tera water garg

Garg and zamazenta core specifically

[nocturne sable]

Maybe try covert cloak bulk up ceruledge over iron moth

Ceruledge @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 172 SpD / 84 Spe
Tera Type: Bug
Careful Nature

• Bulk Up
• Bitter Blade
• Shadow Sneak
• Taunt

This set is usually known for beating garg & zama type of teams

[quartz stream]

don't use specs zapdos

you REALLY need hazard control if you're running 3 rocks-weak no HDB mons, especially if you're using a sash ceruledge (who is compeltely invalidated by hazards)

also just because you're a webs team doesn't mean you can forgo speed control, don't be that guy who gets 6-0d by a boots pult or zama

I'd remove the zapdos for something like a booster speed treads

for speed, rapid spin, and also electric immunity (a rare case where the main reason for it is to defeat thunderclap and just raging bolt in general)

ceruledge is indeed good on webs (it spinblocks to keep your webs up), but it should always be running shadow sneak, drop poltergeist or CC for it

also I'd say that the torn set doesn't fit, webs with a sash ribombee wants to be HO

since you'd already be running iron treads for removal, you could lean into the hazard weakness and go with Iron Moth

but the most important switch is to get rid of zapdos for a hazard remover (in this case iron treads is probs best)

[mental ermine]

alr cool thanks

[nocturne sable]

The first half of the team is standard(ribombee,Ceruledge,Ghold) but the other half do not fit web structures at all.

Iron treads is definitely not bad here at all. I would probably make it booster energy

https://pokepast.es/21abca5033d783df this is roughly what I imagine the team to be like

[quartz stream]

hrott is really nice here to take advantage of your dual spinblockers that can super reliably keep hazards on the field

[nocturne sable]

Also ceaseless edge to add additional hazard pressure+ strong priority with black glasses sucker punch

[quartz stream]

I'm wondering, is there an advantage of dnite specifially?

like is it better than a DD kyurem or something?

[nocturne sable]

Dnite is like the only ground immune on the team

• it has encore which allows it to beat ID zama

[quartz stream]

oh right, torn and zapdos are gone

[flat jackal]

Ooo thank you imma try it

[flat jackal]

Hmmm should i use poltergeist or close combat instead of shadow sneak?

Cuz i cant deal effective damage to garg be4 it ko's me with salt cure

[quartz stream]

.

[quartz stream]

yeah go close combat sneak SD bitter

[quartz stream]

https://pokepast.es/5b3fee676f266d73

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

tried to make a HO team, but it sucks ass

kommo-o seems to be overcooking

feels like I constantly lose to opposing offense, the only mons that are actually doing things are kyurem and iron valiant

[cloud kayak]

thoughts?

[quartz stream]

what format is this for

gen 7 OU?

[trail whale]

yeah this is a very weird ho

you might as well make it lead Treads, ID Zama, and replace Kommo o for a good mon
could also drop Zama entirely for smth like Bolt or Pecha

[quartz stream]

I turned it from a reg offense team into HO because of the kommo-cope

yeah I'm just gonna scrap kommo-o atp it didn't work

[cloud kayak]

idk I'm just playing OU 🤷

not sure what gen it is

(I ams noobs and beginner)

[quartz stream]

I asked cuz you forgot to change your tera types for every mon

personally I'd suggest for all new players to look at/try out a bunch of sample teams to get a feel for what you should be doing and to see what works

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-wcop.3712513/

you can paste the pokepaste URLs into the import/export button and then hit save

I personally started teambuilding by altering and modifying sample teams, and I'd recommend it over making a 6 mon team from scratch

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/04ad8db92a548b57 pure rage inducing

[nocturne sable]

+2 252 Atk Ceruledge Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Garganacl: 388-458 (96 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (388, 392, 398, 402, 406, 412, 416, 420, 424, 430, 434, 438, 444,

Ceruledge should be able to KO most garg with CC so you’re fine

[flat jackal]

alright

[nocturne sable]

This is the exact same 6 of the saw war stall excepts you switched around some of the sets for some reason.

Solo waterfall dozo isn’t good. Dozo almost always wants to be body press avalanche.

That Blissey set means you kinda just lose to gholdengo. So you have to be CM Blissey on this. There is kinda no reason for thunder wave especially on stall.

And you have to be spdef pex to effectively play around Ghold keld prim, etc.

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/cc9ab5a2468936e3 ye I noticed that, I switched dozo with clef after some testing, clef is better overall as a unaware wall, Cosmic power go crazy if not check quickly, I guessed giving it stored power but with it gets wall from any dark type, moonblast is consistent

[nocturne sable]

Umm. I’m not sure about clef being better than dozo overall because dozo is kinda wanted on almost every stall team. Even alongside clef

[jade cedar]

while playing I found dozo decent but unreliable against special set sweepers esp polt, I generally find more consistent results while using clef

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic.

But I think the main problem with clef over dozo is that clef can’t exactly replace the bulk offered by dozo and struggles more into steels like kingambit which dozo can check better

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/1af2f292c4cab07a I've played a few games now, and I'm finding trouble against primarina, zama, and scizor

Also turns out there's a sample sharing all the pokemon except corv 😭

[jade cedar]

pex walls kinga just fine but I can see your point, still the team overall can be countered if you know which attacker (Special or physical) to switch in on which mon, a mixed wall that can seriously spiral is needed also dragon immunity is good

[marsh ruin]

https://pokepast.es/61937287a49a51e0

Hey, this was the team we discussed days ago i think.

Do you think i can switch Pech to Ghold because Corviknight is super annoying

[marsh ruin]

Sorry about that game brah, i needed to test against stall 😔

[marsh ruin]

Like the hazards get defogged over and over, and Tornadus T cant punish reliably

[jade cedar]

it's fine also you're really good, btw your torn could've genuinely sweeped if you got in a right time and set up, none of my mons can swiftly check so you could've just set 4+ or 3+ and you would won

[marsh ruin]

I was a total dumbass and tera steeld for no reason and now weak to corviknight body press lmao

[marsh ruin]

No, blissey would wall because its calm mind

And gweez + corv, my hazards dont work against you

[jade cedar]

ye I noticed that, don't worry I do dumb play when I'm unfocused, knock offing blissy and do some waiting game until it's chipped should to the work

or pp stalling it's soft boileds

ye I put two defoggers since the usual way to wear down stall is hazard stacking

[marsh ruin]

Btw, blissey is super not comfortable into kingambit, just want to let you know, you probably get smoked by iron head and if you make your clef speedy she will lose so much bulk she cant stop other sweepers comfortably (kyurem, Dragonite, etc)

[marsh ruin]

Ok nvm, im being dumb again, now all my physical walls get screwed by fire types. I guess im screwed against corv lmao

[jade cedar]

obviously I won't switch it on obvious threat that one-shot it, but with good switch in and set up it can eat up even super effective moves, 3+ boosts tera steel took like about 25% or around from +4 bitter blade (talking about clef btw)

[nocturne sable]

Make pecharunt Shadow ball>hex I didn’t catch that when I made the team.

Btw did you change some of the stuff i originally sent? Cuz this is the team I sent originally https://pokepast.es/7ebc59560a7b3c5b

[marsh ruin]

Oh yeah i had two version, yours and this one where its full boots spam,

Im sorry, i really really want to run cheesy clefable : (

I tried your version and yeah it has better offensive pressure

[nocturne sable]

Oh ic

[marsh ruin]

Like magic guard clefable is just doesn't hit the same

[marsh ruin]

Yeah it wont set up on kingambit and honestly i dont think it can counter set up in front of ceruledge, like Poltergeist would do too much damage if I remember

[jade cedar]

again obviously I won't switch it on kinga or something that will obviously one-shot it, but once it sets up on something defensive or not dangerous even if kinga switchs on it it can't do anything

also tera exists

[marsh ruin]

I understand now

One annoying thing is that crits can happen, and its super annoying because it usually one shots out of nowhere lol

Happen multiple times to me

Like tera steel, tusk suddenly crits and do 100% lol

All that work getting to 4x def and sp. Def lmao

[jade cedar]

ye that's an obvious flaw, but realistically it's down to rng I can't control that. one time I lost a round I was going to win for a crit+freeze freeze dry, I don't need to tell you that I couldn't do anything after it

[marsh ruin]

Ye

Do you unironically main stall? Like that has to be horrible having to spend 30 mins on one game

Even my team takes like 20 mins slow

[jade cedar]

no not really, in fact most of the times I used stall I did horrible. I usually stay with offense and balance, but I try different archetypes from time to time to get the hang of them

[nocturne sable]

I’m personally not a fan of unaware clef but I think it can still work with the 6 Pokemon sent

[marsh ruin]

My team is too passive that an unaware pokemon is kinda mandatory? Like lots of thing set up so easily

[nocturne sable]

Like what specifically

You have ting Lu to phase out set up sweepers. skarm can 1v1 some sd users with id

[marsh ruin]

Oh no, my version has no whirlwind so things like Nasty Plot Darkrai is super scary, and uhhh... Kyurem i guess? Like they tera fire alot

[jade cedar]

btw I noticed you had clef signature item, literally forget that it exists

[marsh ruin]

Anyway...

I hate offensive teams because i suck at playing them, having no long term defensive core and playing proactively is so hard, i end up just panic sacking and lose turn 10

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/3dad21971d93fdf8 maybe balloon>lefties on tran is a good idea to soft check kyurem once

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

uh h stack route wasnt planned so there isnt a spin blocker

which i got like : https://pokepast.es/87ace76a7ccf4130 and https://pokepast.es/d4af21f9cd76e972 (ignore the absence of knock i just realised that smh) if i want h stack

[jade cedar]

You have no idea how much times I lost a game because I panicked and did something dumb, it's fine play the style that you see you're decent at, I suggest you get already made good team from experts and try them, by time you will change them for your preference or what you think is the best

[marsh ruin]

Ye, the team i used against you is my main, i think its already a finished product, some match ups are going to be ehhh... But no can do about that

[jade cedar]

no team is perfect, any team is bound to have a weakness or in most cases rng will slap you randomly and usually at bad times

[marsh ruin]

Are you going to put a knock off user?

[limber spear]

i can abandon the h stack route

i just got lazy

[marsh ruin]

Gen 9 team building is brootal

[jade cedar]

powercreep is at it finest, you literally need a check for a decently a lot of mons or your team is just bad

[nocturne sable]

I’m confused is there a reason to run pollen puff hydrapple? What are you trying to hit, Hoopa-U?

[limber spear]

(idk what to chose)

its between that or hydro/gyro ball

just thought i can snipe deox (smh)

[jade cedar]

the only thing in my mind is woger I guess?

[nocturne sable]

Deoxys should die to specs Apple

Just run like fickle beam or something

Specs drapple isn’t really the best in the first place since you don’t want to be locking into stab giving free entry to steels like Ghold, corv, gambit etc

[limber spear]

(oh right its like 160% )

[limber spear]

yeah i agree thats why i got like tusk/hamu/tran

[marsh ruin]

I was thinking my team was pretty decent into the meta, only to find so many other holes (Ceruledge, taunt Heatran, Corviknight being annoying defogger, etc)

[limber spear]

but then corv is annoying cuz it just turn

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey I would just make drapple helmet user. Tusk with boots and just regular NP deoxys

Boring changes ik but specs apple isn’t really the most ideal imo

[limber spear]

that was exactly what i thought

anyways thx

[marsh ruin]

Ngl, i see a lot of the same people posting and asking for help with new teams everyday, i keep wondering if just cycling through a lot of teams is going to hurt them

[limber spear]

for me its like i am finding teams that i like , liking them in maybe playstyle or mon choices or gimmickness

if i like one after further testing

i just uh play more of that and cant be hurting that much-

[marsh ruin]

Yeah, but if you main one team especially as us beginners it's probably going to help more because youre getting used to it more and more

[limber spear]

i just play this as like leisure (thats what games r supposed to be) and idm being ass(already am)

i prolly just wanna hv fun with things i like

tho i understand that many ppl wanna get good

[marsh ruin]

👍

[limber spear]

[jade cedar]

same, I usually prefer building teams with mons and strategies I like rather they just stick to meta

[odd portal]

https://pokepast.es/e354cb95faf8233b i really like the heatran scizor slowking/alolamola core here where heatran and slowking make a defensive backbone for scizor to clean up with tera steel bullet punches

but the dragapult matchup feels somewhat weak

i got a scarf lando t for tornadus i think it should be fine

turned great tusk into bulk up to break the stall instead of nasty plot tornadus

[nocturne sable]

Yea because you lack a ghost resist

[odd portal]

yea i cant figure out which mon is the weak link tbh

[nocturne sable]

I think you drop Mola>AV Hamurott

Samurott-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sharpness
EVs: 248 HP / 84 Atk / 124 SpD / 52 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Adamant Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Sucker Punch
• Knock Off

[quartz stream]

might want aqua cutter on Hrott, scizor and tusk appreciate it if you can beat moltres for them (and aqua cutter isn't contact to facilitate that)

[nocturne sable]

I just copy and pasted from the smogon sets thing but yea cutter is nice

[odd portal]

do you guys know how talonflame is OU on legends za?

[quartz stream]

a physdef mon with flame body and good defensive typing

it checks a lotta offensive threats and there's not much choice in ZA OU

[odd portal]

okay i thought maybe people were using it to get 1 priority bravebird just because of lack of any walls that can stop some mega's ig not

[quartz stream]

tried building HO again, this time with Lycanroc

https://pokepast.es/814b1baebaee87b7

112 base speed is faster than ogerpon, which is really convenient

and you get endeavor and taunt

last move crunch to hit ghold, sand rush because the other 2 abilities are useless

the team kinda works but I'm not sure about the other mons

[nocturne sable]

This isn’t really the place for discussion like this you’re better off asking #comp-general

[mental ermine]

finally took a look at this, but whats the reason behind fire punch over eq? wanna understand the tech ykyk

[north nimbus]

Fire punch lets you hit metal birds that completely wall you if you eq

[mental ermine]

Oh yeah

[flat jackal]

wurgh i really need a more reliable way to deal with stall

maybe i should drop kommo-o for a better special sweeper?

[broken shard]

how can this be made better

https://pokepast.es/2dd53f26d5f3da72

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shard]

replace val maybe

hi

[jade cedar]

recommond sticking with either physical or special if you want to go choice, or at least to the moves you have the most, 252 spa for just moonblast seems like a waste go 252 atk if you still want to keep this set, also what's with some of your mons having 99 level?

[broken shard]

slow pivoting with lv 99

[nocturne sable]

I already suggested taunt BU Ceruledge!!

Over Iron moth

Cm hatt can also annoy stall aswell

[nocturne sable]

This team is weird some mons here just feel kinda random like clodsire corv & iron valiant. Just mixing a bunch of play styles together. What exactly are you trying to build?

[broken shard]

pivot

bring in cb weavile

click buttons

fsight + knock

and some support mons

maybe ? https://pokepast.es/e7f0fefd4655b83e

[flat jackal]

yeah i forgot to mention i did replace moth with ceru

the team still feels a bit unsafe against full stall teams

dondozo+blissey is just pure evil

(the ceru set works wonder tho that is indeed a perfect set for veil team

[inner terrace]

this is fine but just use lvl100 corv

you dont even have min min speed so there's no point in just using lvl 99

you can just use -spe nature or you can just take off 1 IV

and lvl 99 gking is whatever but im not the biggest fan

[nocturne sable]

This is definitely better

[nocturne sable]

I can see CM hatt annoying both those mons especially with psynoise

[broken shard]

ic

ty all

[final relic]

wake should be 12 hp 244 spatk so you can speed booster vs sun

but otherwise its fine everything else was said

[inner terrace]

double dance lati beats the only relevant stall u need to watch out for

if u play it right

i severely doubt you'll face poison sting clod in 2025

[quartz stream]

bump

https://pokepast.es/814b1baebaee87b7

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quartz stream]

lycanroc is faster than ogerpon and has taunt endavor and rock, but the rest of the team might not be that great

it works but idk

[soft meadow]

Am I cooking or am I trash

I think my best asset is Mira due to choice band iron fist just being busted as all hell

[slow fern]

https://pokepast.es/9e808daec8cb8033 please rate my team

nvm i messed up smt

[slow fern]

https://pokepast.es/bd49fb9b74020e79 this is a strong team off what u have and it keeps the same idea

[soft meadow]

Thanks

[elder knoll]

💀 💀 💀

[nocturne sable]

Please do not try to give rates if you’re inexperienced with the metagame this team is unviable in SV OU.

[soft meadow]

put vineboom here idk

[slow fern]

whats unviable about it?

[nocturne sable]

Literally the entire team is unviable the sets you gave are unironically worse than the original one

[slow fern]

im like 90% sure its better what makes you think its worse

[nocturne sable]

Razor claw Hamurott light clay ice shard abomasnow.

[soft meadow]

This implies mine is atleast a “could be worse”

Which is a success in my book

[slow fern]

Is a great hazard control and very strong against hyper offense

[nocturne sable]

Both teams are still pretty bad.

If you’re looking to build a Ninetales team I recommend you check samples there is a Aurora veil team you can use for a starting point

[slow fern]

i didnt want to change his entire team and ruin what he wanted

[regal ginkgo]

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[slow fern]

I could have made a much better team but i wanted to keep the same idea

not everything has to be hyper meta.

[soft meadow]

Ok

[nocturne sable]

1 you changed the whimscott for an abomasnow for some reason.

2. I understand you were trying to help but as the saying goes bad advice is worse than no advice. And your team deviated from the structures even more.

[slow fern]

Ill explain why i changed whimscott The team lose aurora veil viability ngl armarouge has a much harder time setting up
Ninetails cant always solo veil reliably

Those are my reasons

[elder knoll]

😭 what the fuck

[slow fern]

Plus whimsicott and gliscor do the same sorta thing we already have hazards u turn speed control knock off fighting coverage

[slow fern]

😭 lmao

Whimisicott just overlaps

but thank you for the criticism fr man @nocturne sable

I understand why you would not want me to give someone bad tips

Blind leading the blind

But I truely feel like its a good swap

[marsh ruin]

This is like some sophisticated rage bait

[blissful nebula]

Naw it’s not rage bait

[slow fern]

How?

[slow fern]

Its not bro

I swear its a good change 😭

[blissful nebula]

Yeah I know you just want help and the way you are saying can be misinterpreted by others
You are good bro

[slow fern]

Ight thank you man ❤️✌️🥹

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/0b5e44e510b400d3 dark spam but idk i thought of like meow or hoopa-u but idk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

also ting lu mu is

[north nimbus]

Ngl if you going for dark spam I would say you are better of to approach that in ho then Bo, especially given here how much u need gking to not get overwhelmed by the likes of Ival and enam to Make progress

[inner terrace]

if u run bandtar then run exca over tusk

as for other mons it's hard

u want a water resist somewhere

hydrapple over gking?

and then rocks over stedge or ice punch on tar

and make it like ebelt

[north nimbus]

If he does that then you load worse vs special attacking dragons bar bolt to some extent

[inner terrace]

i mean

kyurem is fine

wake is a problem yeah

but having sand vs sun is always nice

at the same time im not sure how u actually get good defensive answers to everything when u run 3 darks

[limber spear]

yeah maybe i should go the ho route

[north nimbus]

You also do load worse to fairies

[inner terrace]

having drill is nice vs fairies

[north nimbus]

but not something to come in frequent against them

[inner terrace]

it is better to start over imo

but i do think if u wanna salvage it u kinda have to sacrifice the fairy mu a bit

[limber spear]

tbh if i want to continue with dark spam uh those problems aren’t that easy to solve ngl

maybe i just delete the team

[inner terrace]

hm

can try an ho with dark spam

but you'll have to start with scratch

[north nimbus]

would be more consistent

[inner terrace]

you got samu gambit

for ho

as darks

theres also

weavile, darkrai

[north nimbus]

free moon for true dark spam

[inner terrace]

could try darkspam webs asw with gmolt

[limber spear]

zarude

[north nimbus]

[limber spear]

so i can try to go bee/goltres/gambit/hamu/dengo/filler

maybe bu tusk?

[north nimbus]

Tusk yeah that could work

[limber spear]

[keen burrow]

Goodra-Hisui @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Shell Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 201 HP / 201 Def / 106 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Acid Armor
• Body Press
• Gyro Ball
• Rest

Lycanroc-Dusk @ Focus Sash
Ability: Tough Claws
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Endeavor
• Close Combat
• Roar

Grimmsnarl @ Kebia Berry
Ability: Prankster
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Parting Shot
• Play Rough
• Spirit Break
• Drain Punch

Blaziken @ Assault Vest
Ability: Speed Boost
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Blaze Kick
• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• Shadow Claw

Rotom-Wash @ Utility Umbrella
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 32 HP / 220 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Shadow Ball
• Volt Switch
• Will-O-Wisp

Slowking-Galar
Ability: Own Tempo
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Psychic
• Sludge Bomb
• Toxic Spikes

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[north nimbus]

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[regal ginkgo]

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[north nimbus]

Click the pokepaste link in the bottom

[keen burrow]

https://pokepast.es/af38a612a62127e3

[blissful nebula]

You overcooked with that one

This is very weak to sun
Not really viable items
Maybe if you did like a screens HO set up team it would be more cohesive

[keen burrow]

https://pokepast.es/4543b6effd24614a

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/a81ac907ee841ed6 tankchomp is meh and i like how lu outclasses chomp pjab is just there to snipe enam , garg pech deals with woger

[quartz stream]

the only mon on this team not legal in UU is blaziken, and 4 of them are RU legal

AV blaziken is not viable, Blaziken relies on Swords Dance

utility umbrella is not useful

the gengar set is not good, you should just use a pecharunt if you want a tanky ghost/poison

honestly atp find like a team that uses blaziken and just use it

[near matrix]

I'd recommend you to run Accelrock on Lycanroc so you could at least do endeavor into accelrock and maybe kill

[near matrix]

but yeah overall you gotta change your team

on top of that sleep is banned so you won't even be able to use Rest

[magic walrus]

You can use rest btw, just not making the enemy to sleep

Like sleep powder

[near matrix]

oh okay I didn't know that

no one uses rest in ou anyway lol

[magic walrus]

Stall players crying in the corner

[near matrix]

as they should

[marsh ruin]

I do :p

[keen burrow]

is this better than my other team? https://pokepast.es/2cd8b680b99985ee

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

'-'

ngl friend

no LOL

[nocturne sable]

You posted a similar team like 3 times already and the answer is still no. This team is unviable in SV OU

I recommend you check samples out to get a better understanding of the game

[echo rampart]

a lot of these pokemon are bad

[regal ginkgo]

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[digital sonnet]

https://pokepast.es/0b373b9300d9273d
im testing out if ice punch on garg fits my team better than rocks since I think I struggle with gliscor

Also not 100% sure on the garg tera since I’ve got a ghold weakness

[nocturne sable]

You have ice spinner so I don’t think ice punch garg is necessary

Tbh I would just make iron crown psynoise

Then drop alomomola for Helmet pain split hatt

Also drop temper flare on tusk it does nothing into corv you’re better off running CC or knock off

Honestly would just make it something like this https://pokepast.es/6bdd39bc16c7bb3b

Kingambit>garg to make Ghold & crown MU easier+overwhelm shared checks with gking

Makes it a little dark spammy too

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/99527ccc9837e0a7

Noticing deo s screen Ho is popular and wanted to make a team of my own

How does it look?

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would like to see a bit more speed here

[low phoenix]

like iron moth?

darkrai slot is pretty flexible as of now

i feel like life orb ceru + tera ghost dnite pair with each other very well they help overwhelm alot of their checks together

[nocturne sable]

Maybe like a iron valiant or speed booster tusk can work here

[low phoenix]

bulk up tusk?

[nocturne sable]

Yea

[low phoenix]

should i keep rapid spin on tusk or is taunt deo s + hatt enough

im thinking of teching head smash for the birds

[nocturne sable]

Like me personally I really like taunt BU tusk.

Head smash is fine for birds

But in the case of head smash I would probably go taunt

[low phoenix]

oh yea taunt tusk i forgot about that set lol

i saw it on a team once

i like tera poison

on tusk

[nocturne sable]

Yea Tera poison is fine

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/218a517c8e238076

should i just make dnite boots

i forgot the calcs that spell tag dnite has

[nocturne sable]

Ehh depends on how you’re feeling really.

If you’re testing and find out you’re not a fan of your hazard game & don’t really see a need for Spell tag you can switch to boots dnite

I lowkey don’t remember the calcs for spell tag either

[low phoenix]

yea im still testing rn

ill prob go boots for now i dont like non boots dnite without a proactive spinner

[digital sonnet]

I loaded this up and lost a gambit sweep to subtect entei

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/051487038167748f semi-sand

[digital sonnet]

Team actually might be cursed

[solar sundial]

I generally like this but definitely feels like it can be improved

[nocturne sable]

Well I mean. Idk what to say that’s not something you see every day

Did the entei have eq or something?

[digital sonnet]

No it was just straight up subtect with lava plume

• I was under salt cure after I tera fired

[solar sundial]

Wtf

[solar sundial]

You got cheesed gang thug it out

Thats not a real set

[nocturne sable]

I guess that’s just you getting cheesed. That’s a very unusual entei set.

& in general I don’t see how entei freely enters this team. It should get significant chipped unless is safely got pivoted in

If subtect was revealed earlier you could have utilized psynoise

[solar sundial]

Uh anyways

[solar sundial]

@nocturne sable

If you're done

[digital sonnet]

They kept it in the back until it was basically just gambit left and I assumed they were trying to beat me with like espeed

[nocturne sable]

Yea that’s just cheese unfortunately

[digital sonnet]

To be expected at this elo but still tragic

[nocturne sable]

Ngl I don’t think there is such a thing as semi sand. Any team with Ttar is automatically sand(even though sand isn’t ran like a traditional weather team with an abundance of abusers like rain/sun.)

anyways team doesn’t look that bad from a quick glance. Is there anything you’re struggling with specifically?

[elder knoll]

oh you ran into that pressure stall guy

[solar sundial]

No i just wanna know how to improve it

[elder knoll]

I run into him every one in a while when I load up a new alt

[solar sundial]

Hydrapple being my dedicated pon counter feels off but thats it

[nocturne sable]

I guess you can try and make Scor eq if you’re having a little trouble with Ghold. Think zama can also be offensive AOA here. You already have a phaser in Ttar and I feel like you can use additional offensive pressure

[solar sundial]

Ghold was definitely an issue now that i think about it

[solar sundial]

I was thinking about trying like

Banded zama

Idk if thats a real set or not

[nocturne sable]

Banded zama is for sure real

[solar sundial]

Also crown feels like

Hyper inconsistent

Some game it does extremely good other games it misses 3 focus blasts in a row and fucking dies

[north nimbus]

Could do gkign over crown, checks relatively a lot of the same stuff and can also form a nice regen core with apple

[solar sundial]

Is the sand chip not an issue?

Even with regen

[north nimbus]

That’s where regen comes into play and offsets it

[solar sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[north nimbus]

Tho I would say the team can use a more immediate breaker then rely on apple as the sole breaker

[solar sundial]

I suggested band zama earlier

But also is gliscor not a breaker

[north nimbus]

Immediate breaker not something that needs to set up to make progress if you get what I’m trying to say

[solar sundial]

Kk

[north nimbus]

Tho besides that team is straightforward even tho semi sand ain’t really a thing

[solar sundial]

Kinda assumed any sand without exca was just

Semi sand

Because the closest thing i have to abusers is stuff that doesnt get chipped

Unlike sun or rain which have multiple abusers

[nocturne sable]

Yea I said before but sand isn’t ran like sun/rain where you stack on “weather abuser”

[solar sundial]

Guess that makes sense

Unrelated but also

Fuck excadrill

[unborn root]

How looks this team?

Is It good or not?

https://pokepast.es/96670a1e6cd35181

I can't rank over 1500+

[nocturne sable]

What is earth power skeledirge for? Why run it over hex

[unborn root]

Heatran i think

[nocturne sable]

Also there is a lot of anti synergy in this team with max hazards & defog

[unborn root]

I got the team in a smogon page

[nocturne sable]

Which page? Can you send the link?

[elder knoll]

His team is a RMT lol

[unborn root]

RTM?

[elder knoll]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bulky-spikes-wellspring-skeledirge-balance-1-2064-elo.3771791/#post-10753074

I’ve played against Jack himself running the team

[paper chasm]

play better

the team is fine

[unborn root]

Sure...

[nocturne sable]

Oh okay ic

[nocturne sable]

If you got the team from a smogon page we can’t really help you so bc r its not your our team

[unborn root]

Yeah, isnt my own team

I dont have own team from 9 gen

Walking wake is a huge problem too

Because its 50-50

[gritty finch]

Heya! I made this team today after some experimenting on the ladder and was wondering if there were any areas I could improve upon? Thanks! https://pokepast.es/b15806a1bb2be96a
(side note, I'm still fairly new to team building)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

webs doesnt rlly make sense with rain

skewda rain is easily fast enough to revenge anything

and webs doesnt rlly work with balance mons with gking

i'd take out bee for like tusk

make peli specs

or treads

then skewda is skewda, could try gren over skewda since it is better on specs peli

[gritty finch]

Gotcha gotcha. For skewda, is this assuming I make skewda jolly instead of adamant?

Also hypothetically, if im limiting my team build to one legendary/paradox mon, is valiant worth switching out for tusk or treads?

[solar sundial]

We cant help you if you're doing arbitrary limits

[flat jackal]

https://pokepast.es/ae763c974f48c011

I might need more speed control

[solar sundial]

You need alot tbh

Kyurem is fairly weak to hazards, and corv is kinda unstable as pure hazard removal

Your team's lacking in speed

And you dont even have hazards of your own

Oger runs through this team as well, corv alone isnt the greatest check for it

Especially without brave bird

@north nimbus anything else im missing or

[flat jackal]

So should i switch to a more hazard centered team?

Glimmora for garg?

[solar sundial]

Thats not what im saying

[solar sundial]

Just use rocks > curse

Having stealth rocks is super important for just about any team

That extra chip on anything without boots WILL get you kills you couldnt get otherwise

[solar sundial]

If you were to replace anything here i think it would be zapdos
Zapdos because you could use a higher speed mon, like pult or darkrai

You may want to replace garg as well for a ground type – tusk or treads since they have both removal and rocks.

Having a ground type is important so that you arent getting your shit caved in by volt switch

You already have a super nice defensive core with double regen + corv so i think garg isnt needed