SV OU Rates

[solar sundial]

I mean some of them are fine but like

[inner terrace]

like pech + apple together is good with mola

[solar sundial]

I cant WAIT for the paradox pokemon to get gunned down in an alley by gamefreak

[quartz stream]

zamazenta has how much usage? like 20-25?

[solar sundial]

And gholdengo

[quartz stream]

and that's a solid ogerpon answer

[inner terrace]

the only paradox mon i dislike is iron moth

and raging bolt actually

hate that guy too

[marsh ruin]

The problem is that you have to account for other big threats, youre good against wellspring suddenly you suck against something else

[quartz stream]

tbf most of the paradoxes are fine

[solar sundial]

I dont like val or moth

[quartz stream]

moth is obnoxious, but tusk, val, and bolt are valuable

[solar sundial]

Some val sets are fine but like

[inner terrace]

you have no typing/major role overlap lmao?

[quartz stream]

without val, pult would be way more obnoxious for example

[solar sundial]

It has 50 of them so i couldnt tell you which

[inner terrace]

what are you weak against that you cant answer in 3 mons

like being weak to some things is fine

[quartz stream]

yeah that's hwy teambuilding is hard, it's a difficult balancing act

[inner terrace]

but as long as you have outs to the most important stuff

[quartz stream]

but it's 100% possible to do it right

[inner terrace]

thats good enough

already with mola pech hydrapple you check a lot

[solar sundial]

Also kyurem

[marsh ruin]

Oh no, im not currently team building rn, just generally saying. I guess its true, being weak into things is fine, just make it a possible match up

[inner terrace]

you even have a way to answer dnite and most teams struggle heavily with that

[quartz stream]

kyurem is the only real one that you can just lose to

[solar sundial]

I genuinely find fighting oger way more engaging than kyurem

[quartz stream]

like a kyurem can tera fire and get a DD off on a tera steel specs crown

I know because it's literally happened twice today

[solar sundial]

With oger it has like 2 or 3 sets it uses and the main threats are mostly the same

With kyurem if you guess wrong you lose

[quartz stream]

luckily I was winning both games and just killed the kyu next turn

[marsh ruin]

Use unaware clefable lmao

[quartz stream]

true, that's why open tera would be a great thing for the tier

[inner terrace]

because of mons like kyurem i recommend you always carry a steel type if you're starting out building

[quartz stream]

literally all it can do is reduce matchup fish

no downside to showing tera type

[solar sundial]

Iron crown is probably my favorite paradox tbh

[inner terrace]

not always necessary but it's really nice to have

[quartz stream]

with oger the main thing is the random coverage

[solar sundial]

favorite LEGAL paradox*

[raven plover]

yeah something like a scarf ghold or gambit should always be able to be fine against kyurem + tera types on your defensive mons

[quartz stream]

nah flutter and bundle are very hateable

[inner terrace]

open tera doesnt really do anything positive for the tier imo but that's neither here nor there

[solar sundial]

I slept on it for a super long time but i paired it with ttar recently and it actually does an amazing job defensively and offensively

[marsh ruin]

Tera dragon cov/Skarmory iron press beats almost all without encore right?

[quartz stream]

especially bundle that mf is ugly

[quartz stream]

you just said what beats them lul

[marsh ruin]

Wait till they pull encore lol

[quartz stream]

the main consistent ogerpon asnwers are the mons that outspeed it and kill it

[solar sundial]

Flutter was definitely overtuned but i cant hate it

[quartz stream]

cuz wow, ogerpon can only tera into one type

[solar sundial]

Back when stuff like chi-yu was in the tier it atleast felt beatable

[quartz stream]

so no matchup fish bullshit that loses you the game

[solar sundial]

Unlike shit like palafin

[inner terrace]

for the record it is very possible to beat pon even if you have like the bare minimum to beat it

it's not even that bad in practice

[quartz stream]

ogerpon can't randomly be tera electric and kill you

[solar sundial]

Ogerpon gets its shit caved in by corv brave bird

[quartz stream]

flutter mane got banned in 1 day flat

wdym it felt bearable

[solar sundial]

Im pretty sure it got banned after palafin did

[quartz stream]

it was the most broken mon in the entire team bar houndstone

[solar sundial]

Also mismagius is cool as fuck

[inner terrace]

no palafin was later

palafin went with bundle

[raven plover]

hydrapple and pecha are the best mons to use for wellspring and are good vs a lot even when not facing wellspring or you can deal with it without hard checks like pairing dtail dnite with brave bird skarm and boots zama

[inner terrace]

houndstone and flutter were the first

p sure

alongside king's rock?

[quartz stream]

felt more bearable than palafin

[inner terrace]

or actuall

actually

i think king's rock was first

[solar sundial]

Also tbh im not against oger getting suspect tested

But i think kyurem needs to go first

By far

[final relic]

neither of these are an issue

[solar sundial]

1. Personal bias (on my end)
2. What was the reason people said palafin didnt need to get banned again?

[quartz stream]

yeah either kyurem goes, or tera is revealed to the opponent during team preview

or both

[solar sundial]

Palafin-hero jet punch was the most braindead shit ever and you couldnt stop it

[inner terrace]

kyurem is mid btw

[quartz stream]

kyurem with hidden tera doesn't belong in OU

[solar sundial]

Kyurem is definitely an issue

[inner terrace]

kyurem is not a problem if you have a decent gameplan

and have bare minimum tools

[quartz stream]

it obviously needed to get banned, but flutter and houndstone were obviously way more broken

[inner terrace]

provided by your team of course

[marsh ruin]

What is the most consistent kyurem answer lol?

[quartz stream]

it might be ragebait

[raven plover]

as of now the most common kyurem sets are av and it helps hatt balance deal with a lot of offensive threats idt theres a reason to get rid of it or suspect it

[solar sundial]

?

[quartz stream]

kyurem is usually not a problem

[solar sundial]

How am i rage baiting by saying kyurem should get suspect tested

[quartz stream]

but there is always a kyurem set that 6-0s you

[inner terrace]

not letting your opponent get 10 free turns and click specs moves on your whole team

also having a steel type

[marsh ruin]

Jfl

[quartz stream]

bro check the message I replied to

[inner terrace]

and a flying type as well which you always need

why you need the flying type? cause specs ep gets locked in

[quartz stream]

kekw as if all kyurem are specs

[inner terrace]

ok ok look

u go into crown or whatever ok

all sets need to do something to break past

[marsh ruin]

Kyurem uses substitute

[solar sundial]

Oh

[inner terrace]

lets say u go crown and they were dd

they still need to tera

and now tera is exhausted to kill crown, go kill it back

[solar sundial]

Doesnt kyurem run earth power

[inner terrace]

ep bounces off crown

if it's not specs

[raven plover]

if you have a healthy zama, steel type, or twave gking most games youll be perfectly fine against common kyurem sets and thats good enough

[quartz stream]

kyurem has terastallized into the Fairy type!
Zamazenta used Close Combat! It's not very effective...
Kyurem used Dragon Dance!

[raven plover]

most teams have enough for kyurem naturally unless you are stacking ice weaks then it might be a little iffy

[final relic]

fairy dd kyurem has never been seen in the history of mankind

[inner terrace]

even so like

[final relic]

you have to be trying to lose in the builder to have no tools whatsoever

[inner terrace]

even if u see fairy kyurem it's not like you lose off the rip

there's no way your only answer was zama and u had 0 priority whatsoever

[solar sundial]

I think in order of mons that need to get suspect tested most-least

1. Kyurem
2. Dnite/Zama
3. Darkrai
4. Oger
   Dishonorable mention to ghold fuck that mon

[quartz stream]

I saw it once and it did nothing lol, but it was funny

[inner terrace]

or anything that couldnt survive one hit

or at worst a defensive tera

[final relic]

yep

[inner terrace]

only thing that's fucked about kyurem is the 10% freeze but if that happens and u lose cause of it click x and move on

plenty of moves freeze as is

[quartz stream]

the issue is that yeah you can live one hit, but kyurem doesn't always die back

neutral zama CC is doing like 55%

[inner terrace]

i've gotten double frozen by ice punch hands that doesn't mean it's broken

[inner terrace]

this is a lot considering it had to tera

[quartz stream]

yeah, iron hands getting a 1% roll is the same thing as kyurem getting a 50/50

[inner terrace]

this is also assuming kyurem came in on a clean field, no hazards up at all

[quartz stream]

so it can tera to not get checked by its checks

and now what

there's no gaurantee that your tera will be sueful to beat it

[inner terrace]

if your complaint about kyurem is it can tera to beat it's checks respectfully you're playing the wrong gen

😹

[rapid frost]

my list is

1.Ogerpon-Wellspring
2.Raging Bolt
3.Kyurem
4.The item choice specs

don't ask why

[quartz stream]

no, the issue is that there is no warning as to which tera the kyurem is

[rapid frost]

look at its set/team structure

[quartz stream]

the issue is matchup fish

that doesn't help

[rapid frost]

if its the sole breaker, its probably ice

[quartz stream]

it works most of the time, but randomly people will run bad sets just to troll

[marsh ruin]

Thats very hard to guess

[final relic]

anyway uh wrong channel guys #comp-general is that way

[rapid frost]

gets easier the more u play

[marsh ruin]

Im a shiest player

[quartz stream]

if a mon running a bad set can kill you with the surprise factor, then it's a matchup fish

[marsh ruin]

Lol

[quartz stream]

that's why volcarona is banned

yeah you could play around volcarona and it had to spend tera to beat its checks

[solar sundial]

I thought volcarona was banned because quiver dance was batshit insane

[quartz stream]

but oh wow it got banned still

[rapid frost]

lets take this to #comp-general

[marsh ruin]

Ok

[solar sundial]

Kk

[quartz stream]

kommo-o https://pokepast.es/d6b6d78b9a574a9b

[magic walrus]

Which set tho, I mean having two teams is better than one

Regular espeed?

Cuz now I have https://pokepast.es/47e59bb1953180ad with blaze’s advice and https://pokepast.es/318f132a2590ac44 quash’s advice

[inner terrace]

i like the first team more

[inner terrace]

you have 4 fighting types, i'd drop zama, run treads over tusk

and then run dnite

[nocturne sable]

I would run roost DD dnite here

[magic walrus]

Over ice yeah

And I forgot about tickle

[nocturne sable]

Depends on how much you care about stuff like rillaboom, Gliscor, etc.

Honestly I like Tblast flying

[inner terrace]

the second team has no steel

[marsh ruin]

https://pokepast.es/a1078f1efc53a1b9

Im really happy with this team i made

Thoughts?

Struggles to break through corviknight as knock absorber though

[nocturne sable]

I’m of the opinion that certain teams can exist without a steel.

[inner terrace]

this one cannot

freeze dry 6-0s

[nocturne sable]

Its not the end of the world anyways if a steel is needed here you can just swap iron crown>prim

[quartz stream]

first team imo looks a bit better

[inner terrace]

like imo u need like ace or a really offensive team

to get away with it

[quartz stream]

although first team having no hazard removal at all is sussy

you can use tink as a knock absorber, but eventually it won't be healthy enough for that

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/89b70db39663def2 something like this is not to shabby

[inner terrace]

theres 4 boots

[quartz stream]

it's too optimistic to think that a team that has so many pivots won't have trouble with knock

[nocturne sable]

The first team is clearly a bootspam with tink as a knock absorber clear

[inner terrace]

run cudgel over superpower

er

[quartz stream]

oh I forgot you have wish from alo

for tinkaton

[inner terrace]

over horn leech

[quartz stream]

nvm that should be fine then

[inner terrace]

also u can drop gking here

for like

[marsh ruin]

His job is just to knock and beat gliscor clefable and corv

[inner terrace]

i meant cudgel over horn leech

[marsh ruin]

Yeah i can see that buuuutt, i really want longevity lol

[quartz stream]

that ogerpon does not beat corv

[nocturne sable]

@magic walrus anyways at the end of the day it’s up to you you can test both these teams out and see which one works best for you ^

[marsh ruin]

It struggles a lot

And teammates doesn't offer good help yes

[quartz stream]

yeah that ogerpon has to do too much, it's the only knock off user for a hazard stack team

and then on top of that it has to beat corv and scor and clef, which it can't do with superpower and horn leech

[inner terrace]

honestly

try wake over gking

[quartz stream]

and the rest of the team is rather passive, for example you have basically no breaker

[inner terrace]

knock wake

[nocturne sable]

Or you can just make clef Knock

[quartz stream]

true

yeah could also do clef knock off

and gking should be running flame probs

[marsh ruin]

What if i just use boots plot tornadus t?

Change the Ogerpon

[inner terrace]

over gking?

oh

just take out gking imo

u already have pech and ting

[nocturne sable]

I mean the team it’s self doesn’t need drastic changes

It’s already a standard Hstacking BO structure all you need to do is fix up the clef set & replace gking for another offensive knocker

[marsh ruin]

What do you suggest for replacement?

[quartz stream]

I mean torn-T isn't a bad choice

[nocturne sable]

I think Quacc already suggested it but knock wake isn’t a bad replacement

Utility torn can work too

[marsh ruin]

Ok the problem is that i really want to make an immortal team lol and thats probably bad bias

[quartz stream]

torn's benefit would be that the rest of the team basically lives forever

[marsh ruin]

Yes lmao

[quartz stream]

and torn with regenerator can stay around a long time too

with a couple different sets this would be a semi-stall team lul

[nocturne sable]

You already have a decently strong defensive backbone & basically boots spam I don’t think you have to worry much about longevity.

[quartz stream]

I think reg ogerpon is decent enough here, it's got boots and provides speed control in a pinch

[nocturne sable]

It’s Hstack anyways you play proactively by setting hazards up and removing any boots

To maximize hazard damage

[quartz stream]

yeah remember that hstack is usually offense or balance

not semi-stall

[marsh ruin]

@nocturne sable do you think Tornadus t can work?

In place of Ogerpon

Seems like a fix i can try

[quartz stream]

you can force progress by living forever on balance still, but you want some way to pressure switches as well

[nocturne sable]

Naaah Oger doesn’t really need replacing here

[quartz stream]

yep oger is fine

you want 2 knock users minimum

[nocturne sable]

Just add torn t>gking

So you can have both oger & torn if you want

[quartz stream]

oger as your only knock off user is sketchy

torn also keeps the regenerator and pivoting that gking had

[marsh ruin]

Brilliant idea lol, now i can make an annoying immortal team lol

[quartz stream]

just remember not to turn into a stall team lul

could change the clef to be calm mind over cosmic power

a unaclef coming in and clicking calm mind is a great way to force something in so that it can get hit by knock or take hazard chip

if you don't have a way to exert pressure, the opponent will just take any hazard damage on a mon that doesn't care too much

[marsh ruin]

Yeah... This team has no good pressure, but thats because im thinking of the building too defensively, but i think its definitely salvageable

[quartz stream]

hazard chip on an alo isn't gonna win the game, but taking 20% off like an oger or zama when it comes in can

[quartz stream]

yeah, I would say torn over gking with knock off, calm mind clef, and maybe drop stored power for knock

wake doesn't last long enough for the team imo

wake is more for offense hstack

and remember to test on ladder every so often, as a sanity check

[marsh ruin]

I will use torn t > g king, but i really want to keep this cheesy clefable set lol, it would be hilarious to set up on a Dragonite with no encore and counter sweep

Scarf lock problem tho

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/533c227da6d667af something like this

[marsh ruin]

Thank you very much, i will add it to my team list

[quartz stream]

sad to see the setup clef go, but magic guard is way more reliable on hstack

cuz now clef is immune to knock off

and yeah pivoting on oger helps force the opponent to switch, team is cooking now

that's why we go to #1051236342740308089

[marsh ruin]

😔

[inner terrace]

i will say i dont like hex on pech, would rather use shadow ball or foul play

with tera water or dark

[magic walrus]

I also use shadow ball over hex personally (to hit ghol & treads harder, less rng based from malignant chain)

But this case I think hex is ok due to twave

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/a72eba35e1ef5b74 what do you think? at first I had mola but switched it to zap to have some sort of switch on woger

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/c98e8e6aa07ab7d4
Standard

[jade cedar]

you need some sort of check to woger, I don't think it's as urgent but still if it sets on your team is gone, my suggestion is switching lando with defensive zap

[stable nymph]

Zap is not a check

[jade cedar]

definitely not a check but at least something you can switch it on woger and maybe parz it

[stable nymph]

Ivy cudgel is non contact

[jade cedar]

wait it isn't?

damn it rly is, I never know that, how does that even make sence

[magic walrus]

it uses a cudgle to attacke, not the body

some minor checks to wogerpon is dragonite, zamazenta, rillaboom, sinistcha (major mons i can name)

[nocturne sable]

Yoo I lowkey didn’t pay attention to that. Yea shadow ball>hex

[covert rune]

this team struggles a bit with scarf dengo

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/1a085e266ed696c4 here is some of the changes I made.

I honestly didn’t really see a need for scizor here. I replaced it with utility darkrai so you have another consistent fast attacker along with will o & knock support which is useful for pon, gambit,tusk, boot spam, etc.

Made Hamurott sucker punch>flip turn because I feel like it’s more clutch here.

[marsh ruin]

Lol, even if its contact, zapdos gets 40%-50% anyway

[nocturne sable]

Also changed Hamurott to Tera ghost for a backup spin blocker

[rose patrol]

https://pokepast.es/cfdec53ccedbaea5 hey made this hyper offense team thoughts

[covert rune]

i’d make samurott av for the dengo match up replace darkrai with cinderace and replace change the item on iron crown

since that team struggles with hazard stack

[jade cedar]

45% and less, it can tank two hits at most still chipping it with volt switch can make is killable for a lot of faster mons

[stable nymph]

4 mons weak to fairy feels off to me but alright

[covert rune]

remove aqua jet on feraligator ur running dragon dance either way

[marsh ruin]

Youre forced to roost if you want to switch in again

[covert rune]

use something like crunch for gholdengo

[nocturne sable]

???? There is a great tusk & taunt Lando for hazard removal. And there is like 3 boots users here

And there 2 darks here gholdengo isn’t the biggest problem in the world here

[covert rune]

i didnt see taunt lando

but tusk isnt enough to counter hazard stack

but since theres both then its fine

[covert rune]

gholdengo can just spam shadow ball for free and they all get crippled

and if its scarf focus blast its even harder

[nocturne sable]

Tusk is like one the premier hazard removers so idk what you mean by that

And gholdengo doesn’t spam shadow ball for free when there is 2 dark types

[covert rune]

tusk is a good hazard remover but it cant beat hazard stack on its own

[stable nymph]

Should I go with Tera Fairy on Crown? Seems like it would help

[covert rune]

theyre dark types which are mostly frail and have no recovery

[nocturne sable]

Sure

[stable nymph]

Thanks

[rose patrol]

Ok added crunch on feraligatr

[covert rune]

if it learns eq use that

[nocturne sable]

If you look at almost every team Hamurott & darkrai are used as primary ghost resist.

And again Ghold is not spamming shadow ball on darkrai & Hamurott

252 SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Darkrai: 72-86 (25.6 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Possible damage amounts: (72, 73, 75, 75, 76, 77, 78, 78, 79, 81, 81, 82, 83, 84, 84, 86)

[rose patrol]

It does

[covert rune]

y are u using specs dragon darts dragapult

[covert rune]

thats huge chip for gholdengo and its teammates tho

also it can click make it rain instead

which turns it into a complete mindgame

and if u mess up once u lose

either u go crown on a possible shadow ball

or u go darkrai on make it rain

and lose 70%

either way av samurott covers both

and it clicks ceaseless edge for free right after

[rose patrol]

I am using the sets shown for it

[nocturne sable]

You’re talking like this is some fat balance or stall or something. This is BO it’s played proactively. Hamurott & darkrai is decent enough to prevent Ghold from mindlessly clicking.

2 Ghold barely has switch in opportunities here. Iron crown can pivot out with volt switch & the rest of the team has the ability to 0hko Ghold.

There is also priority like sucker punch Hamu that can come clutch in certain scenarios.

Ghold is not wrecking this team like how you’re saying it will

[rose patrol]

Here

[stable nymph]

You're using the showdown usage set

[rose patrol]

Yes

[nocturne sable]

Don’t use the showdown usage set

Click on the actual sample sets

[marsh ruin]

Darts and draco is crazy bruh

Its to hit blissey 😄

[nocturne sable]

Darts+draco is only for Life orb pult

[covert rune]

never said it completely destroys the team

i said its hard to deal with

[nocturne sable]

No it’s not

[covert rune]

especially since ur only 2 switch ins get destroyed by make it rain

and ur only make it rain switch in is crown

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/827d19e1ffcf9750

ik np pech isnt that good outside of webs but kinda wanna try it

[marsh ruin]

What is this team archetype? (Unironic question)

[limber spear]

prolly bo

(hopefully)

[nocturne sable]

You’re ignoring the fact that Ghold barely has switch in opportunities here:

you’re also ignoring the fact that non scarf gholdengo doesn’t outspeed anything here.

In the case of scarf gholdengo You’re also ignoring the Hamurott here that has sucker punch & resist MIR. & the Tera water Lando in emergency scenarios.

Respectfully stop trying to comment on people’s RMTs if you don’t have a firm grasp of the meta

Ofc not all Ghold team MUs are 100% winnable. But Ghold is far from a big problem here

This applies for basically most teams

[limber spear]

prolly av hatt+phy def molt here works and woger switch in is like fine pech takes 2 knock and 3-4 ivys but yeah

[stable nymph]

Team unfortunately gets 6-0d by Val/Enam

[covert rune]

im talking about scsrf dengo

also gholdengo can switch in on crown

[nocturne sable]

Fairies look rough but AV iron crown should be decent enough

[covert rune]

or it can tera fairy

tera fairy makes it all the much harder

[nocturne sable]

Again iron crown volt switches off gholdengo

[stable nymph]

Val with knock specifically

[nocturne sable]

And you clearly didn’t read my last sentence regarding scarf gholdengo

[covert rune]

after getting severely chipped by shadow ball

[nocturne sable]

You can try sludge bomb on darkrai>ice beam if you really struggle with fairies

Or knock

[covert rune]

“volt switch off dengo” when it legit loses 55% to shadow ball

[nocturne sable]

You don’t get it

[covert rune]

yes i do

[nocturne sable]

Iron crown volt switches as soon as gholdengo switches in

What’s hard to understand about that

[covert rune]

why would a dengo switch in on an iron crown?

also if you volt switch on the dengo

who are you going to go into

darkrai?

ohko’d by focus blast

[stable nymph]

I might have to since if I don't I'll get 6-0d if Crown gets chipped a bit (Val Shadow Ball/Knock and Enam Earth Power)

[covert rune]

if you go samurott, the sucker punch is obvious

[nocturne sable]

Can go into Hamurott.

And you’re talking about focus blast like it doesn’t have a big chance of missing

[covert rune]

it has a 70% chance to land

why are u bringing its accuracy into this

its still used on scarf dengo

great coverage

[nocturne sable]

Becuase that’s the main drawback of focus blast why wouldn’t I bring it up

[covert rune]

okay? if ur depending on it to miss so ur team can win then that isnt a good team lol

[stable nymph]

Gonna replace knock

[magic walrus]

I thought this section wasn’t about arguing about gholdengo… this section was for rmts

[marsh ruin]

This is related to a team being discussed

Tho

[limber spear]

bump

[magic walrus]

Ye rmt stands for rate my team

[covert rune]

hey ik ur using magic bounce + rapid spin

very good hazard control

[magic walrus]

Skeptical about helm molt

[covert rune]

but PLEASE use boots on moltres

even if ur using 6 defog users

always use boots on moltres

[covert rune]

i’d make hatterene leftovers for longevity

also calm mind hatterene would be better there

[magic walrus]

Oh wait, I have a team that has np pech without webs lol

[limber spear]

cm hatt?

uh-

[covert rune]

thats fine

it doesnt need webs to be good

[covert rune]

yes?

is there a problem?

[limber spear]

just never tried it outside of ho

[magic walrus]

I mean it’s not going to work the best without webs tho

[wooden linden]

Team doesnt need cm hatt. Helmet is fine

Just put boots on molt and thats about it

[covert rune]

ur team noticeably struggles to get rid of gliscor so something like calm mind hat with psychic noise helps alot

[limber spear]

doesnt like normal split hatt do that too

[covert rune]

yes its good

[stable nymph]

Yeah

[covert rune]

but i personally dont like helmet hat when moltres is right there

[limber spear]

✍️

[magic walrus]

Sounds about right

[limber spear]

i will one day find a reason to not run boots molt

[magic walrus]

Old gen OUs do sometimes run molt without boots sometimes

[marsh ruin]

50% from stealth Rocks bout to go crazy lol

[magic walrus]

That’s a reason

[nocturne sable]

Can you please refrain from giving advice if you’re not experienced with the meta. This team doesn’t struggle to KO Gliscor.

[covert rune]

?

whys this guy trying to ragebait

yes his team struggles to ko gliscor but he has psy noise painsplit hatterene

so its completely fine now

[magic walrus]

This guy ain’t ragebaiting, he’s one of the official raters in this…

[nocturne sable]

You can clearly see the shuca berry nplot pecha tech+ice spinner on iron treads & Hamurott to hit Gliscor

[covert rune]

he’s been obsessed with me

[stable nymph]

Ice spinner, razor shell, Helm Hatt, pecha

[covert rune]

pecha isnt enough

[magic walrus]

Is enough

[nocturne sable]

Because you keep giving garbage advice. And you tried arguing that the team I sent to doz is weak to Ghold when it’s clearly not

[covert rune]

the 2 first options get hard walled by tera water

hatterene is perfect

[covert rune]

it literally is weak to scarf gholdengo lol

why are u so mad

just because ur an official rater doesnt mean ur right 100% of the time

be humble

[nocturne sable]

I have explained multiple times that there is ways to play around scarf gholdengo. & you clearly been ignoring everything I said.

[covert rune]

no i didnt

i just said how ur ways dont work

gholdengo comes in on iron crown

[stable nymph]

Crown can volt

[covert rune]

clicks focus blast for completely free on the samurott or darkrai switch in

[nocturne sable]

I have said that around like 10 times

[covert rune]

if crown volts his only switch in is samurott

which is an obvious sucker punch

also if its tera fairy dengo ur down a samurott

but i wont count tera

[magic walrus]

So then you can play something else other than sucker punch

[covert rune]

see its completely a mind game now

all i told him was av samurott would be better than av crown on that team

@nocturne sable also ur making it seem as if i said the team loses to dengo out right

all i said was its harder to deal with scarf focus blast gholdengo

its still completely winnable

[magic walrus]

Well the opposing ghold also has mid games to do if u think about it

[covert rune]

yes but shadow ball is pretty free

hits samurott for 33%

hits darkrai for 30%

hits the rest for 40+ or just blatantly kos

[magic walrus]

Then slowly realizes it either gets chipped by hazards or ghold can’t switch in

[covert rune]

thats why its still a winnable match up

samurott can come in a few times on shadow ball and set up hazards

[nocturne sable]

Okay first of all I disagree with this AV crown is important here to check fairies like enam, Val & also checking kyurem at the same time.

And if you’re agreeing that’s it’s still winnable why are you arguing that it’s a big problem for the team.

I have explained multiple times that Ghold(scarf Ghold since this is the main argument) has limited switch in opportunities with hazards & basically most of the team having the ability to 0hko it.

In emergency cases there is Tera’s we can use like Tera water Lando, Tera steel tusk for make it rain.

Ofc not every matchup with a gholdengo team is a guaranteed 100% win. But like I have said already this applies to most teams.

[magic walrus]

i d out of this argument

[covert rune]

im not reading all this

U win

[stable nymph]

Yippie

[proud herald]

can I make this work into OU somehow ?

https://pokepast.es/a8e22c4a5bc9885b

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @proud herald, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9uu team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059743348728004678 instead.

[proud herald]

yeah i know it's an UU team

that was the challenge

thanks for the headsup anyways i guess

[inner terrace]

u arent even bad vs pon btw

i'd make one of samu or tusk scarf

[stable nymph]

What about these changes

[nocturne sable]

It’s fine. https://pokepast.es/d2c257b2e900464f

sending the paste again because the other one didn’t have sludge bomb.

[inner terrace]

these changes are fine

it is nice to have more priority other than sucker samu for stuff like nite though

i will say if u opt to use rai maybe use scarf rai

u have tusk for removal so u dont necessarily need mostly boots

[stable nymph]

Could do that

Wisp looks good too tho, and I don't really know if wisp on scarf rai is viable

[nocturne sable]

It’s up to you on which set you want to run. Trick is not a bad alternative to will o wisp if you’re running scarf darkrai. It can still pretty much cripple stuff like walls and set up sweepers when needed

[stable nymph]

I'll likely switch around since using 3 choice users might feel off to me

[nocturne sable]

There’s only 2 choiced users specs pult & scarf darkrai.

[stable nymph]

Oh right, I got another team mixed up

[nocturne sable]

Btw this team is unviable for OU and non of these sets will work here.

Also we can’t really help with arbitrary rules like building around only UU Pokemon.

[inner terrace]

booster uturn slither isnt good

run av slither if u wanna run it

then i'd do like lorb exca, torn > thund

bandtar

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/6eb34f20882b0902

[nocturne sable]

The main problem with this team here is breaking power. There is also a lot of overlaps here with tusk, zama etc which doesn’t help with the fact that your team is weak to fairies.

https://pokepast.es/b6a61b0269151e10 here’s the changes I would make to the team.

I added Pecha and scizor here to help with the fairy MU more. Scizor also gives you another strong priority here in bullet punch alongside gambit.

I added AV torn here as your main check to special attackers. Also provides the necessary speed control & utility in knock & U-turn

Changed Hatt to rocky helmet pain split over lefties to be more punishing towards physical attackers. You could also go helmet pecha in this case over Hatt if you want.

Lastly changed gambit to Tera blast fairy to muscle pass ting Lu, zama, tusk etc. it also looks like gambit is the only one here that really want to abuse the Tera here so it’s fine.

[jade cedar]

very clever, thx

[quartz stream]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-teal-mask-pokemon-scarl-gif-15494797964924474811

[quartz stream]

doesn't this team still lack breaking power? you have scizor yes, but then besides that you have to use gambit and a defensive hatt, how are you breaking an alo with this

[final relic]

dwb over close combat

[final relic]

mola is very easily pressured with knock off + rocks up into being uturned on

also hat can definitely annoy mola teams nothing really wants to come in

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey might want CC to hit Heatran tho

[blissful nebula]

Since the tusk is boots he can also go Tera ice to help alleviate the Gliscor match up
Stall looks like a major threat here @jade cedar

[nocturne sable]

It’s easy to say the stall MU looks bad on paper but it’s really not that bad.

Scizor+torn provide knock pressure+both can just pivot spam on stall once items are removed

Psynoise Hatt also disturbs stall

[inner terrace]

it's definitely playable

the stalls that would do well into this arent good rn

or at least nobody uses them

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/301fd06b6ebaa968 how's the bulky offense? (yes, another one of my bulky offenses)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

scizor feels a little awkward but it's the only priority user i can find that isn't weak to fairy

[nocturne sable]

This team feels awkward overall imo

Specs kyurem with no hazard removal & lack of proper ghost resist.

Defence core is just kinda iffy in general

[quartz stream]

could drop the alo and lean into being an offense team

then you could perhaps get away with no ghost resist

or wait hear me out
Cyclizar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• U-turn
• Draco Meteor
• Rapid Spin
• Knock Off

[final relic]

cyclizar is ass in ou pls dont recommend it

[rose patrol]

https://pokepast.es/efd334c6a70a3c83 made this bulky offense thoughts and should I change anything

[blissful nebula]

Looks like you need a reliable gambit switch in, defensive Gliscor is fine but might need to go Tera water or fairy to resist a +2 kowtow or sucker
Klawf unfort seems out of place here
There’s better rockers with more damaging output like tusks and also a switch in to gambit

[nocturne sable]

Klawf & raikou are not viable in SV OU

[rose patrol]

I see

I will replace kalwf

https://pokepast.es/b7ca13cf144fe213

Replaced klawf with great tusk

[blissful nebula]

Looks better, now you can focus on the Teras
You have rocks, a gambit switch in, and hazard control
Even tho raikou is not very viable we can try to make it work here

[rose patrol]

Alright

[blissful nebula]

Maybe like a max def Twave Hex gholdengo set since your team is very slow & u can punish the mons toxic’d by Gliscor

Tera water gholdengo for the sun match up

Hmmm you have no switch in to specs Dragapult shadow ball or no resist as a matter of fact

Moth looks like a pain to deal with too

[quartz stream]

yeah you need a ghost resist

in fact you have literally no specially defensive mon

could try to replace tbolt or extrasensory on raikou with shadow ball to beat scarf ghold and pult

but you also have no knock off user to take advantage of having rocks and spikes

[rose patrol]

I see

I need something for ghost types

[rose patrol]

Isn't primarina specially defensive

[quartz stream]

at base prim has decent spdef, but your prim is physically invested so it's not at its full potential

but for bulky CM prim, that set with physdef is correct, you live forever against special hits once you are set up, so you want physical defense to make yourself hard to dislodge

the issue is when you need immediate special defense, aka a switchin against something clicking on you

[rose patrol]

So switch on special attacks

With a pokemon that has decent special defense

Right

Ok I made a change on the team

https://pokepast.es/752315a5f923fe65

Here is the team now

Thoughts

I replaced hatterene with Snorlax for special defense

[quartz stream]

it's a good thought (special wall immune to ghost), but sadly snorlax is really bad in gen 9

could try an assault vest slowking-galar

which has regenerator so that it heals when it switches out

or if you want a specially defensive ghost resist, ting-lu

[blissful nebula]

AV primarina modest might help

[rose patrol]

I will think about that

[quartz stream]

Primarina @ Assault Vest
Ability: Torrent
252 HP / 208 SpA / 48 SpD
Tera Type: Poison
Modest Nature

• Moonblast
• Psychic Noise
• Surf
• Flip Turn

[rose patrol]

I will try this out

But let me test the team out

[quartz stream]

yeah test the team for sure, but let me tell you that snorlax is not good, believe me I've tried it in lower tiers

[rose patrol]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/8f7a5f662430fe59

Replaced snorlax with slowking

[worn lark]

wauit hear me out

remove scizor & lando for great tusk and ttar

wait but then i have no priority

[rapid barn]

Add something like cinderace and slowking galar

Some sort of ghost resist would be nice too

[quartz stream]

it's workable, if you have issues still then probably get rid of raikou

unless you really want to use raikou it's generally not worth it

[worn lark]

Then i have 3 ground weaknesses and no flying type tho

[agile sleet]

https://pokepast.es/8ae53cc16a15a966

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile sleet]

Can I get someone to critique my team?

[final relic]

interestingly this has some components of a good sand team but a lot of these sets are bad

[agile sleet]

Me?

[final relic]

id say drop mence and zoroark for excadrill and hydrapple

ttar shouldn’t be lifeorb since that goes against its gameplan (live tons of special hits)

knock off > crunch

[elder knoll]

you should also mention the Tera types

[final relic]

ah yeah you forgot teras as well

[agile sleet]

Sorry still new

[final relic]

corv should be pressure

[agile sleet]

Thanks tho

[final relic]

pex doesnt wanna be black sludge bc of tera try av (look up the set on smogon or it should be in the builder as a sample set)

[agile sleet]

Ok

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/688ac9bcff4629e1 @agile sleet this should be pretty solid

just put all the changes in a paste

and dropped hydreigon for idbp za cause it’s not really good in ou and za is always nice to have

[agile sleet]

Thanks was using any ai to help but they only gotten so far

[final relic]

ai is notoriously shit at building mons lol dont use that

[agile sleet]

Ok

[final relic]

u can always ask in compgen for building help

if the team’s not completed

[magic walrus]

Wanna try mix dragapult https://pokepast.es/ffbff8b386869536

Oh, naive nature on dragapult, forgot to change that, I was experimenting

[carmine oak]

doesnt tbolt val overlap with corv and prim tho

[limber spear]

prima prolly takes a few hits and i can trade it with woger

[carmine oak]

that sounds sketch

[limber spear]

prolly need tera poison on ival

it’s hard to patch that issue without like making a mess

cuz ghost fairy electric isn’t that easy to check

[queen magnet]

can anyone suggest a good team with ceruledge???

[magic walrus]

wrong section, sorry. probs go to #comp-general if u want teams

[proud herald]

it's fine I just wanted to see if I could actually do something that would still work despite their lower powerlevel

thanks

[rose patrol]

https://pokepast.es/dd42b8d5a8821da8 made this hyper offense team thoughts

And should I change anything

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/5977921b60e3311d i dont hv a steel type/dragon resist tho

[inner terrace]

try ace over tusk, lando over molt, and then like scarf ghold over pult

[limber spear]

is ace's solo removal enough tho

yeah prolly scarf dengo is what i need here

cuz i thought of lando weezing before

cuz i need to support ttar to enter multiple turns

[covert rune]

samurott and uturn woger are troublesome

ogerpon pmuch clicks u turn and gets free chip on everything

ur only switch in is moltres

which gets demolished by ivy cudgel

also ur ogerpon set is rlly bad

grassy glide shouldnt be used as ur main secondary attacking move

i dont recommend grassy glide at all

but if ur gonna use it

at least use it with 3 attacks

[rose patrol]

Hey I made this hyper offense team thoughts https://pokepast.es/145cdb4b2f22768a

And should I change anything

[limber spear]

choice items normally dont fit in ho

[rose patrol]

I see

[limber spear]

and maybe try idk lead treads>tusk?

i think its better for hos

[rose patrol]

Ok

[covert rune]

make another

this is just bad

nothing can fix it

[rose patrol]

Another hyper offense team

Ok

[covert rune]

like almost ur entire team gets walled by av mola

[limber spear]

how do i fix woger mu then

[rose patrol]

I will need something to counter alolamola

[limber spear]

(woger)

[covert rune]

dnite over dragapult is fine

[limber spear]

then speed control tho

[covert rune]

also use cc on tusk

head smash is trash

and tera rock is just horrid

head smash is only useful in specific scenarios

like moltreses and zapdos

[covert rune]

that isnt a problem u have multiscale dragon dance

and if ur that worried about speed control

u can use scarf tusk

[limber spear]

[covert rune]

scarf tusk is used

[limber spear]

scarf 4a?

[covert rune]

close combat headlong rapid spin ice spinner

[limber spear]

by this logic why not scarf rlla

[covert rune]

rillaboom has grassy glide

it doesnt need speed

some people even run adamant rillaboom

and just spam grassy glide

the reason scarf tusk has rapid spin is for hazard control

same reason scarf lando runs defog most of the time

[rose patrol]

I need a little help https://pokepast.es/b102d1e5005488f9 who should be the last member of the team

For hyper offense team

Alright I added the last member https://pokepast.es/386fde1bbc4c8303

Iron valiant

[marsh ruin]

Nvm, stats says its 6%

[inner terrace]

nothing stops this btw

as far as pon goes you have one of the best pon matchups there is in rillaboom and glide pon

and pult

[marsh ruin]

How often do you see scarf tusk?

[inner terrace]

it's definitely real

uh

how common though idk

[marsh ruin]

Couldve sworn it was 20% lol

I saw the stat somewhere

[inner terrace]

i dont know how much it's used but it's like

there's a couple teams that like

run it a bunch

it has more usage in tour pretty sure

[marsh ruin]

I might misremeber things, because i checked again and its only 6% in 1800+

[inner terrace]

probably tours then

[inner terrace]

not a fan of both meow and pon on the same team but prolly zama

or dnite

[rose patrol]

Ok

Replaced meowscarada with dragonite

[quartz stream]

yep try last mon zama, helpful to take out kingambit

[nocturne sable]

I mean tbf it’s not impossible to build a team full of UU mons. It’s been done a few times before this Gen. you can definitely create some BS sand with like sini Ttar exca Mandibuzz etc.(what I can think of the top of my head).

But the general rule is we can’t help with restrictions like that

[rose patrol]

Ok

[covert rune]

3 out of 6 pokemon on his team take super effective damage from u turn

2 out of 3 lose to knock off

2 out of 3 just die to ivy cudgel

thats what i meant

[inner terrace]

just because it does damage doesnt mean you're weak to it

you have a lot of mons for it and you're relatively offensive, if it clicks uturn that many times then it deserves to win

[covert rune]

by alot u mean 2

dragapult and rillaboom

[inner terrace]

you have glide pon too

[covert rune]

rest get 1 shot

his glide pon isnt a threat its sub encore

[inner terrace]

you also have ways to grab momentum with uturn molt uturn pult, you can catch pon with twave ttar

if you arent playing like extremely passive you are fine into pon

and glide pon revenge kills

[covert rune]

that’s different when half ur team gets ohko’d by ivy cudgel

[inner terrace]

im sorry what

thats like saying your team is bad because gambit can kill 4 mons on your team despite having a whole id zama + val

and rilla is straight up one of the best answers to pon

regardless of uturn

for instance pon is way more susceptible to hazards and has to get turns right to even land a uturn on rilla without taking a glide

like ok the first time sure but also now that uturn is revealed they also have to be careful of uturning on molt

that's a part of the game

[covert rune]

huh?

thats completely different tho

u have 2 pokemon that threaten to ko gambit and tank most of its moves

his team’s only pon answer is dragapult

which only threatens with twave

[inner terrace]

you have 2 pokemon that threaten pon and tank most of its moves too

[covert rune]

and gets knocked in the process

and dies

[inner terrace]

you have

a rilla

lmfao

[covert rune]

yea?

i said only rilla and dragapult can beat pult

but rilla isnt a problem when it starts u turning

[inner terrace]

dude ive played vs pon with worse pon answers and came out just fine

[covert rune]

what’re ur options

[inner terrace]

rilla and pult is fine

[covert rune]

because ur low elo

[inner terrace]

i'm low elo?

[covert rune]

yes u are low elo

[inner terrace]

what is high elo to you then

[covert rune]

anything above 1030 points

[inner terrace]

interesting

[covert rune]

jk high elo to me is 1600+

[inner terrace]

also interesting

[covert rune]

1700+ in national dex

[inner terrace]

if u dont mind me asking

are u high elo?

[covert rune]

yes i am high elo

[inner terrace]

how high

[covert rune]

i have 2 alts in the 1600s in gen 9 ou and im laddering on another alt thats 1580

am planning to get on the ladder with it

[inner terrace]

ah

good luck soldier

[covert rune]

in national dex am 1712 rn

national dex is all bots its super easy

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2478034542 like whats this guy doing

[inner terrace]

i dont play natdex so idk

only sv ou

but if u need sv ou advice i can give

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/209d512b46ee9687
I managed to salvage the team's core thanks to the one and only great tusk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

despite not having a flying type gorund actually hasn't been much of a problem at all

[covert rune]

mirror coat non av mola

with 0 spdef evs

thats not good

[worn lark]

Isnt that better cause you get more mirror coat damage

Or am i stupid

[covert rune]

no u wont get more mirror coat damage

ur just gonna die

[inner terrace]

you also die

could run like eject button

with acro

or tickle

[covert rune]

vgc ass set

i support tickle

but whats eject button acrobatics going to do

[inner terrace]

i mean eject button is good to pivot

[covert rune]

u have flip turn

[inner terrace]

into specs kyu

[covert rune]

and u have scald to hit tusk

idk what ur hitting with acro

valiant?

[inner terrace]

pon

[covert rune]

maybe woger

but its literallynot necessary

it womt get ohko’d anyways

and it ohkos back with sd power whip

[inner terrace]

you hit it on the switch

u dont stay in

[covert rune]

then it clicks synthesis

[inner terrace]

alternatively just run helmet

[covert rune]

as u forcefully switch

[inner terrace]

then u just generated a free turn

[covert rune]

yea run helmet

[inner terrace]

it's basically like you flip turned on pon

[covert rune]

not really free

cus u wont even know if it clicked synthesis or not

its uncommon

maybe it clicked power whip

u’ll have to switch into a mon that can tank power whi

so it isnt rlly a free turn

[inner terrace]

well you click it once for chip

[covert rune]

also once u revealed acrobatics

[inner terrace]

then go into like zama or meow or kyu

[covert rune]

its super easy to play around

[inner terrace]

prolly zama

i mean not really

cause u can always flip turn into specs kyu

[covert rune]

zama and meow r not switch ins to power whip

they get chipped so much its insane

[inner terrace]

you have mola to wish them

[covert rune]

and zama is the type of pokemon that chip matters alot on

[covert rune]

this isnt how mons is played

[inner terrace]

that's why you use mola though

[covert rune]

a smart opponent can prevent u from wishing

they can also bring in a specific pokemon on the wish

[inner terrace]

waow really

i didnt know that

[covert rune]

that hits everything on ur team for a ton

so saying “just wish” is not valid

[inner terrace]

i was thinking

u wish as pon comes in

then go zama

so u took no dmg

idk tho

[covert rune]

which zama?

iron press?

[inner terrace]

theres a zama on the team

[covert rune]

yea zama still takes a good chunk of damage

either way acrobatics mola is bad

[inner terrace]

i mean u dont have to run it

i prefer tickle here but acro with eject button is a cool option

to get in kyurem

[covert rune]

and then kyurem clicks specs freeze dry and ur alo is back in its pokeball

[inner terrace]

yes

[covert rune]

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 638-752 (119.4 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

like u r not living

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no im not saying switch it in on kyurem what

im saying

u switch mola in on something

which gets ejected into specs kyurem

to get the hit off

as in

you have the specs kyurem

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ur saying bring in ur own specs kyurem?

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yes

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idk about that

that strat would only work late game

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theres a specs kyurem on the team

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where the faster pokemon are down

kyurem’s speed tier isnt that good

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oh i thought it would work early game cause u can take a hit from something slower

like tusk

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wdym

kyurem just outspeeds and kills tusk

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you let tusk headlong the mola

which gets ejected out into kyurem

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and u bring in kyurem!

?

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and kyurem can freeze dry tusk

yes

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yk what u couldve down

clicked flip turn

bring in kyurem

same thing

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but

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and u actually chipped the tusk

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what if they switched into pon

😔

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30% chip on the tusk

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its fine

kyurem switches in for super fre

unless its play rough

which u can bait out

he can go crown once to bait out the play rough

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i would run tickle here prolly but because dnite is scary

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if it has play rough the match up is harder

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and cause u can tickle pon on the switch

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tickle is fine

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u can also just click play rough on the ogerpon switching in

for chip

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but dragonite

therefore tickle

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i think he just runs toxic over tickle lol

dnite isnt scary

he has a scarf meow

outspeeds and ohkos with taxel

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i thought mola doesnt get toxic

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oh yea ur right

it got removed in gen 9 ou

then he can run something like knock

or play rough for chip

or just run scald dude

u csnnot go wrong with scald

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i dont think it gets knock

and scald what if it doesnt burn

it's also nice to tickle the pon on the switch so u can easier go into kyurem

also for garg

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also

if u tickle an ogerpon

it can just click encore

sd

its back to neutral

then u switch out

it clicks sd again

now its a threat

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they stripped alomomola of everything nice

then just run scald or play rough

tickle isnt good there

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you tickle on the switch then switch out methinks

also u can spam tickle on ddnite

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then it gets +1

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that i know of

but like i sad

said

dnite isnt a problem for him

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but then it's +1 on something like kyurem so it has to switch or die

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he has a scarf meow with triple axel

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what if it teras

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clicks play rough and just kos

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teras into?

fairy?

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sure

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taxel still kills i think

its a stab taxel

and dnite cant ko it back

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dnite is very bulky

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with tera blast or eq

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and tera fairy blast can

oh wait

it turns ice

well uh hazards

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i said its stab triple axel

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also what if it takes helmet chip

a little bit

adn what if axel misses

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then u did 2 thinks

u made the dnite less than half

and u exhausted ur opps tera

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then what do u do

cause it's +1 on meow

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u can bring in tusk and ohko with headlong

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and has tera fairy blast

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it lives a tera blast fairy

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ok but

doesnt tusk have to play a lot in the early game

it might take a good amount of chip

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idk that guy’s team is butt

bring in zama and click roar

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ok

how would u fix his butt team then

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he has to start over

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there's no hope for the team?

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no

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there's a lot of good mons to work with

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the dnite match up is bad if its tera fairy

but no dnite is gonna tera on melw

meow

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but if ur tickle u beat tera fairy dnite

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scsrf meow is unexpected

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i thought all meows are scarf now

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then u become set up fodder for mons like sub zama and encore opon

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ur already fodder for sub zama though

and encore pon

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not if u have play rough to break sub

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does it break sub?

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no it does not

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it's true though the team is weak to zamazenta

but it's going to always be weak

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the team is weak to everything that hits hard

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ok i have an idea then

what if we run gholdengo over iron crown

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then u still lose to dnite

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u dont lose to dnite with tickle mola

unless it's sub which isnt real

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then use tickle

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it is real

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and if u do see sub dnite u can roar

oh wow i rarely see sub dnite

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roar with zama?

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i think i only saw it once

yes

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what if it clicks tera fairy tera blast

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roar zama

u tera roar

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not fairy

i mean dly

fly

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u tera roar

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what if it doesnt tera and clicks eq on the tera fire

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then u got outplayed

that doesnt rlly happen to me that often though

cause they think "oh u dont know the dnite set"

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only time i saw sub dnite was in a tournament

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yeah thats what i thought

not super common

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ok try helmet tickle mola and ghold over crown

like a bulky crown

maybe plot

maybe hex

up to you

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and remove temper flare on tusk

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oh yeah

i agree

use like ice spinner maybe

actually it can work but idk

ice spinner is prolly best anyways

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highk if ur mcoat mola id go mixdef so u can like like any real special hit

oh wait pause we’re advocating against mcoat mola