SV OU Rates

[inner terrace]

like 248 hp max speed

[solar sundial]

What does he do about specs pult

Because he kinda loses on team preview to it

[inner terrace]

thoughts and prayers 😹

uh

scarf serp

should be sucker ace

if u rlly struggle u can make it av rilla

[native needle]

can anyone help me test this team
https://pokepast.es/abc77c7706822112
hopefully against stall or scarf mons cuz i think they will be a problem. im a beginner at 1300

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[empty verge]

Yah ngl this is not salvageable

1. The mon choice are odd random Mimikyu (it’s too weak for ou) iron hands too slow to benefit from webs and band Lando ruins momentum by being locked into a move at inconvenient times.

2. The mons you chosen do not really have a team synergy.

3. You get crushed by common threats in OU like Ogerpon wellspring and Zamazenta.

I highly suggest running samples to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the meta.

[inner terrace]

when you have webs you want strong setup mons btw

you have strong mons but not much setup

[native needle]

thank you for the advice! 3 of the mons i took from the trick room team which was #1 in a ou ladder, i played with that team and came up with this one which seemed more fun.

mimikyu with red card is kind of my free get out of jail card while outspeeding a lot with sticky web and i tried to think of its checks to synergize him with hoopa.

iron hands will lead into most teams, same role as in the trick room team where he ohko most meta leads, if not he is an ok wallbreaker i think

land-t again i tried to sinergyze by thinking of checking mons that threaten my team, also i can lead him into ogerpon-w if i think he will lead, or revenge kill him with sticky web.

i agree that zamazenta will probably clear my team, mimikyu with red card is a shaky answer, and if he roars its over

im still trying it out to see what i can tweak

[native needle]

yeah i have sd ceruledge and bulk up mimikyu

[inner terrace]

thats still not enough

imo you need like

almost all setup

here's like a good webs team for reference one sec

https://pokepast.es/8711cdf5c30a4836

[native needle]

i thought to make my two sweepers rapid spin block too with ceru and mimikyu

[inner terrace]

notice how theres 5 setups and a spinblocker

and how they complement each other

like moth + bolt can overload ting

sinis + lati have similar answers in things like trick scarf ghold, lati bypasses gambit as the sp immunity with aura sphere

[final relic]

scarf serp doesnt require tb ground

you wanna click leaf storm 99.9% of times

[wanton gyro]

what's the answer to the specs pult question

[final relic]

uh lets see

[wanton gyro]

scarf glare yeah?

tera dark tera blast scarf serp

[nocturne sable]

I can see that but you can’t really just take mons you see on another team and slap them on any random team. Mimikyu offers a specific niche of being a one time phaser with red card+disguise+being an additional trick room setter. The set you slapped here doesn’t really make Mimikyu good or utilize its niches.

[final relic]

on serp you usually just want leafstorm glare knock off 1 of dragon pulse giga drain

[wanton gyro]

one sec lemme find the pokepaste

[final relic]

uh tbh im not sure what landorus is doing for you here especially with scarf serp

you could make this a heatran

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/195a027dbb79895e original paste is here

[empty verge]

Rilla could have been av too tbh

Whether works tho

[final relic]

yeah you can do that

[wanton gyro]

any EVs in SpD for AV rilla?

the one potato replied to is the current paste

i just changed lorb to AV + wood hammer, lefties to scarf

tb becomes dragon pulse

[final relic]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 192 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Knock Off
• Low Kick

can drop low kick for wood hammer

[wanton gyro]

im a big fan of wood hammer

it doesn't have any real hazard removal but there's two knock off users so i guess i don't get 6-0'd by stall

[final relic]

yea so this doesnt really work unless you’re trying to make the same team style and webs = \ = trick room with psychic terrain

[native needle]

thank you for your advice, i think having strong wallbreakers like hoopa and band land-t along with anti leads complements just two setup sweepers well though. hazards seem too hard to deal with with the team you showed me.

ting lu and gholdengo both die to hoopa and he doesnt need setup, fares ok against trick scarf and still checks a lot of special attackers

[inner terrace]

hoopa webs definitely feels weird in general to me

[final relic]

it is weird

[final relic]

well with a team like this that quacc sent the winpath is just break their team before they have a chance to set hazards

[wanton gyro]

i have this other team that works phenomenally EXCEPT against stall because no one has boots
https://pokepast.es/816abc972921ada9
edited team in discussion: https://pokepast.es/734e7bbe7d1b88a3

[final relic]

if you let ting lu get up all spikes and whirlwind all your boosters out youre gonna lose

[inner terrace]

like hoopa has the offensive stats but generally speaking you're locked using kinda weak moves you arent rlly running setup and ur very fragile to stuff like lando uturn which also ignores webs

[final relic]

yeah its just there are better options for everything it does

[inner terrace]

any boots mon tusk or faster will make hoopa feel kinda bad

[final relic]

ghold is the better plot user

attack booster tusk is well

[inner terrace]

hoopa has poor defensive utility

[final relic]

it clicks buttons and kills stuff

[inner terrace]

oh yeah i forgot to mention

u dont need 5 setups but u should try to get at least 4

[final relic]

and yeah its slow and has no bulk to trade any hits whatsoever even with tera

hoopa that is

[native needle]

av hoopa?

[inner terrace]

sometimes 3 but u rarely see that since specs ghold fell out of favor on webs

nobody running specs ghold webs in big 25

[final relic]

av hoopa goes against the whole philosophy of webs

also it doesnt really help you

no damaging hazards for hoopa to help with by knocking stuff off

[inner terrace]

i do recommend though

if you're 1300 maybe dont try webs

[final relic]

oh

uh yes

i agree

[inner terrace]

it's not that it's hard it's just matchup reliant

a lot

try a bulkier balance to start imo

[native needle]

ngl

half of the battles i played with iron hands on the trick room team and this one the guy forfeits after 2 kos

then there are other teams obviously made by people like us complete beginners

when i finally get a meta team, i feel like it is quite hard but i cant get the experience against them like i get one or two of those teams when i sit down to play

[inner terrace]

my problem with stuff like tr and webs is that

[native needle]

honestly id appreciate if anyone is down to help me test my team, hopefully against meta teams or mons that clearly counter the team like zamazenta

[inner terrace]

a lot of the interactions are dependent on webs for the most part

[native needle]

what do you mean

[inner terrace]

well i mean

most teams by default dont just start with a speed advantage

the entire game

but if i had to say

lando is fine on webs, bee is a good setter but you should use plot ghold

on webs

hands is actually a bit too slow for webs imo

you see gambit which is the same speed tier but also thats cause gambit is gambit

and has sucker punch vs faster stuff

[native needle]

ok thank you for mentioning him, but also honestly, i just dont like gholdengo lol, like his design, so i tried to use other spinblockers setup

[inner terrace]

oh

in that case the next best one is pecharunt

and then sinistcha

[native needle]

yes he is, 0 speed investment because i use him mostly like with the trick room and works the same, he anti leads and gets kos

very sacrificial

i think the only two mons that would make me lead ribombee instead are glimmora, and use psychic, and great tusk, using moonblast

though great tusk doesnt usually lead so i just use iron hands especially if they have other hazard setter

[empty verge]

Yeah you wanna use stuff like

Ghold dnite pon offensive booster tusk

[native needle]

ok man

[empty verge]

On webs

[native needle]

thank you for the advice

[empty verge]

Np bro keep grinding it will all come soon

[marsh ruin]

Random question, is Megahorn tech on great tusk to ohko Ogerpon Wellspring a thing or is it shiest? With tera water

Thx in advance

[empty verge]

Eh not really might as well run Close combat tbh

[marsh ruin]

Work starts

[empty verge]

Which hits quite hard

[marsh ruin]

Cc doesn't ohko without chip

[empty verge]

Doesn’t really need to it’s not hard to chip Ogerpon when it’s forced to take hazards

[marsh ruin]

I agree i guess

Ok thx bye

[empty verge]

Pce

[inner terrace]

you can spin first

megahorn is like a one and done tour thing

i think

[marsh ruin]

Looks too sus ngl, especially if theres no Hazard on my side

[inner terrace]

so what you do

you go

"oops misclick" in chat

"i meant to get up rocks"

ok but actually i think megahorn is probably usable it's just

way too situational

what do you even hit besides pon though

like deoxys?

but does it really matter that bad

and latios lmfao

shit's teraing steel

also i dont like having the surprise tech miss

unless it's like

you dont rlly have another way to get it

like stone edge tusk

to ohko moltres

no other way to rlly get that

[marsh ruin]

Lol

[marsh ruin]

I just thought i can drop ice spinner because i have ice beam and triple axel

And my team isnt a hazard stack

And my team's only real counter to pon is tera grass Moltres

Which if the Ogerpon gets a safe entry he can click ivy cudgel and i have to sack if the molt isnt tera'd

Also this wasnt the real objective, but it can also surprise darkrai clicking ice beam into tusk

[inner terrace]

you can definitely like drop ice spinner if you feel like you have enough but if you go that route i'd probably recommend like

stone edge the most

[marsh ruin]

I will consider both CC and Stone Edge

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/8631b87029ec80da should i be choiced pult – boots zama or is this fine?

[marsh ruin]

But ngl megahorn surprising the Ogerpon is funny, i have people getting angry over it lol

[inner terrace]

i can see mega horn but it feels rlly niche

like if u have 2a spin

with rocks

need to hit pon and loon ghold

but i feel like that's so rare

[solar sundial]

Could also try one of the oger's over zama here

Idk

[inner terrace]

if you need megahorn for pon you probably are running something pretty weak to pon in the first place

all things considered

maybe it works but idk

[solar sundial]

Why run megahorn when oger gets kinda fucked up by U-turn

[marsh ruin]

True, i was told my pon matchup is shaky

[marsh ruin]

I also have meowscarada

[inner terrace]

tusk doesnt get uturn

wait

oh u mean the team in general

wait i didnt see the team ngl

[marsh ruin]

Like tusk is the most Ogerpon might be willing to get entry on my team

[marsh ruin]

I will send pasye

[inner terrace]

alright

[marsh ruin]

https://pokepast.es/9b743b5465570921

This team i just cant really deal with dnite besides hoping for burn

[solar sundial]

Dude you have darkrai

[solar sundial]

Make moltress will-o over roar

[marsh ruin]

Ehhh.... Roar or wisp, both have strengths, but roar will prevent molt from being used as set up fodder

[solar sundial]

And g-king twave over psynoise

[solar sundial]

If you need burn for d-nite then use will-o
You have u-turn to prevent people from setting up blindly on you

Can go into something that threatens a kill and forces a switch

[marsh ruin]

Bro, if the dnite sets up too much its literally over

[solar sundial]

Then use

Will o wisp

Also you have tera ghost meow so they cant just click espeed

[solar sundial]

You're seriously underestimating how much burn cripples dnite

[marsh ruin]

Some dnite are tera fire, theres ceruledge, theres gambit tera fire

[solar sundial]

Bypasses multiscale, messes with its batshit insane attack

[solar sundial]

Still generally a good thing to run over roar

[marsh ruin]

Roar also helps messes up Zamazenta, which my team is kinda crappy against

[solar sundial]

Roar itself isnt bad but will-o is more consistent

[solar sundial]

Most gambits are tera ghost for ground type attacks

[marsh ruin]

I guess its close between wisp or roar, but i will keep roar for now, maybe experiment with wisp and see

[marsh ruin]

This, i would get run over by iron moth

[solar sundial]

I feel like if you're team is so reliant on weird sets to not get run over by prominent threats (and still gets run over by prominent threats) you're doing something wrong

[marsh ruin]

Dude cmon, psy noise on gking isnt weird

The weird set is just the megahorn tusk

Yes thats just questionable

The rest of the team is standard

[solar sundial]

Nah man thats pretty weird

AV gking runs psy noise

You arent av

Though you honestly could run that

[marsh ruin]

Dude psy noise hits:

• sub moth
• sub kyurem
• sub Zamazenta

I dont think this is weird

[marsh ruin]

I need a slow pivot

For Darkrai to get safe entry

Ok break time over

Bye

[low phoenix]

make darkrai scarf

change meowscarada to ogerpon-w

you can change gking to pecharunt and make moltres sp.def

add ice spinner over megahorn to tusk

[inner terrace]

yea use ice spinner here

u really need it

[empty verge]

Agree with everything memester said tbh

Pecha helps the opposing pon matchup and zama

[low phoenix]

^

[empty verge]

(Molt loses to offensive zama btw)

[low phoenix]

pon likewise helps your mu vs fatter teams

[inner terrace]

in that case make molt spdef

so u can check moth better

[empty verge]

Ye

Spdef is fine

[inner terrace]

i like spde molt with pech

[empty verge]

When you make Darkrai scarf make sure it’s tera poison

Should be fine after that I think

[inner terrace]

yeah looks solid afterwards

maybe consider swapping off tera blast with gambit

i dont like having tb gambit + pon, pon doesnt need to tera tbf but it does feel weird in case u do

[empty verge]

Yeah ngl

Just do like tera ghost with low kick

This team lacks fighting coverage anyway

[inner terrace]

yeah

helps vs gambit as well

low kick ihead = walled by molt/pech

low kick kowtow gotta be bad, too many fairies

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/8631b87029ec80da could I be double choice here and use specs pult? Boots feels surprisingly weak here

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[inner terrace]

lets see

i think you definitely dont run wisp pult

you have molt for that

[solar sundial]

Thats about what i was thinking

Team felt mostly fine outside of pult

[inner terrace]

you have twave as well so

[solar sundial]

So just changing it to the specs set is fine here?

[inner terrace]

i think so

[solar sundial]

Alright

[inner terrace]

specs seems good with double pivot

[solar sundial]

Not really expecting too much, but i may as well ask while im changing stuff now – anything else you'd reccomend switching around/trying out?

[inner terrace]

bulky gambit

should be fine otherwise

[solar sundial]

Why bulky?

[inner terrace]

you're on balance and you really want a ghost resist

band zama and u face like ghold, you lock into band cc and then if ur not bulky i can see like 1 spike + mir spam will dent gambit rlly hard

[solar sundial]

Alright makes sense

Ty

[solar sundial]

What EV's does it run for a bulky set?

[inner terrace]

just like

[solar sundial]

252 hp 252 atk 4 def?

[inner terrace]

max atk, hp and speed

how much speed u want to run is up to preference

[solar sundial]

What am i even gonna be outspeeding

[inner terrace]

i could see any of the following: 8 speed, 44 speed, 96 speed, 144 speed

which are like

the first 2 are for the mirror

the 3rd is for clef

[solar sundial]

I'll put in 8 speed because i doubt im outspeeding much anyways

[inner terrace]

the 4th is for bulky corv and u outspeed like non scarf enam with twave

8 is a good choice

[solar sundial]

I'll try 96 if i struggle against clef but i really dont think i will

[inner terrace]

yeah

[solar sundial]

Because i have moltres

[inner terrace]

just run 8 or 44

both are valid

i like 44 with low kick more though but no low kick here

[solar sundial]

Im assuming i dont need low kick either when i have banded zama

[inner terrace]

yeah

you have double fighting

and phys def molt

i seriously doubt gambit is that problematic

[solar sundial]

It isnt

[marsh ruin]

Thx but I really want to have fun with specs darkrai spamming tera dark dark pulse. I appreciate the suggestion though so i will make an alternate team using your changes

[low phoenix]

specs darkrai likes having pivots such as mola pecharunt and lando t

[marsh ruin]

Gking and molt helps no?

[low phoenix]

you can try these pivots too

[marsh ruin]

Ok thx bye, work

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/725fcef47af60316

Seems pretty standard

Maybe a different Tera on Gking and/or Botl

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/e40005304f54a0be ngl specs dengo might work here but idk

i didnt intend the h stack route so idk but blaze woger seems decent as a cleaner tho hamu might do that too

and av king might be better with just the boots pivot and spread para for main dengo

[marsh ruin]

How do you deal with opposing Ogerpon Wellspring?

[limber spear]

well with zapdos mainly

i can chip with hazards and stuff too

[marsh ruin]

I dunno that zapdos probably going to get screwed pretty easily after some chip

Like it gets 2hko from a non tera jolly wellspring after some chip from other opposing pokemons

If it teras, its 2hko

[limber spear]

if i rlly want a sturdier woger check prolly can go dnite over that slot

[marsh ruin]

I dunno man, im just pointing things out, but im not qualified to help

[spare quiver]

Is there anything I can do better in terms of dealing with setup sweepers?Currently my protocol is to identify them first and kill them before they get to do damage. I also suffer a bit under tera poison Ting Lu (and also the standard one) which is a problem

https://pokepast.es/fe8168639dd5b0b6

pretty standard BO team here

I'll attach two replays so yall can have a look at how i use the mons
here's a replay of me losing to said weakness
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2450402512?p2
and here's one where i got through it
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2449656767

[heady carbon]

Focus sash malamar 🗣️ 🔥

./j

[marsh ruin]

I just want to say, megahorn tusk is a meme and im sorry that people have to witness that shiest set here 😞

[inner terrace]

run roar over heavy slam

if u have issues with setup

you should have decently enough

encore pon toxic gking wisp pult taunt lando

gambit

acc you might be a little dnite weak but should be playable

[inner terrace]

i looked at the first replay

why didnt u go into pon

and encore it

that woulda stopped the lax

you could have knocked lefties and started cudgeling

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/5faad2c3ae38b0c2
Repost

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[inner terrace]

this seems really slow

you have nothing faster than great tusk

let alone pon, ace

AV torn over washtom could be something to consider

it's still not much speed control ideally you want 1 more but having at least 1 is important

[alpine furnace]

I mean hazard removal while nice, isn't a requirement IF you can afford to run heavy duty boots on like half if not more of the mons on your team.

[dawn dirge]

Does anyone have the EVs and items for this team?

[low phoenix]

roaring moon is banned

theres a team like this in the samples but with darkrai instead of moon

[dawn dirge]

Yes, I know, but maybe you know how to build it. Also, if you know which EVs and items would go well with Darkrai, that would be helpful too.

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/c672f6ed853b5a13 here’s the paste

[nocturne sable]

I mean tbf he has like 3 priority users so speed isn’t exactly the worst

Tusk is kinda dealt with by rotom+rilla so it’s not that bad.

Although I’m not exactly a fan of this team into AOA zama. Think rotom should be Tera ghost here.

[inner terrace]

its not that tusk is strong into this

more that

to make a point of the speed tiers

[nocturne sable]

I get the general point that natural speed here is lacking but 3 priority users could tackle that problem a bit

[inner terrace]

idk

like kyurem can be problematic if gking is chipped for example

or even like sd scor

i guess scor is whatever actually

but kyurem for sure

and 2 of your prio being sucker/clap im not sure thats enough

for a team this slow

[nocturne sable]

Hmm. I imagine bulky gambit+gking could be good enough for specs kyurem

DD kyurem loses to rotom-willo-wisp unless it’s Tera fire

[inner terrace]

it can handle it it's just you're very weak to a bunch of faster pivots clicking uturn into something like kyu

[ashen ore]

no way that gliscor is optimal

u are correct it is optimal zamn

gj

[nocturne sable]

It was some cheese set from WCOP

[ashen ore]

ah

[shy flicker]

Can somebody rate my team please?

[solar sundial]

Wheres your removal?

[shy flicker]

Nvm

[solar sundial]

What does av torn do?

[solar sundial]

Post it and people'll get to it

[nocturne sable]

Torn is an alternative ground immune to rotom. It’s faster and can help revenge ace pon etc

[solar sundial]

Does it have as much defensive utility

[inner terrace]

i mean

av torn is pretty good

like

has regen, can knock

can take a lotta special moves

[solar sundial]

I dont doubt its good im just genuinely curious

Because i hardly ever seen torn

[inner terrace]

oh

what

its like

becoming pretty popular

[solar sundial]

Im in like 1350 rn so thats part of it

[inner terrace]

oh

[empty verge]

Yeah it’s good

Both defensive and offensive sets

[inner terrace]

i personally dont like the mon actually

well

i dont like using it

i also dont like facing it

but generally speaking even if ur scared of missing knock + uturn is good as is

[solar sundial]

I'll try it out

Seems just super versatile

[marsh ruin]

Super annoying when you use Ogerpon Wellspring and you see this thing

[empty verge]

lol

[inner terrace]

wait till i pull out rock tomb for that bird

but yea torn is really good for pon

[solar sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-bro-celebrating-best-friends-squid-game-2-my-guy-gif-8389215730122450876

[rapid barn]

It’s really good, I use it all the time

Could be very annoying with other regenerator mons

[solar sundial]

If im building around it, it obviously works best on BO right

[rapid barn]

I like the support sets the best but nasty plot is good too

[solar sundial]

Tornadous AV pex defensive core

[rapid barn]

You need really good hazard control if you don’t run boots

Like hatterene tusk

[solar sundial]

Treads/Tusk is kinda a guarentee

I havent made a team without either of the 2 tbh

I hate to say that because I'm not even a huge fan of tusk

Its just so easy to put on a team

Electric immunity, good offensive utility, hazard removal, rocks

Im rambling

[rapid barn]

Well let’s prob move to comp general or something

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/a1901a1d8986fa3e

rate my team

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[rapid barn]

feel like im missing something but i think this could work

[inner terrace]

uhh

whimsicott isnt that good outside of sun ngl

[rapid barn]

its kinda crazy but

it will stop stuff like dnite and wellspring

and Ill mix it with mola and the other things to pivot

ik, but I rlly like whimsicott and want to try to make it work haha

[inner terrace]

hmm

alright so what do you feel like you struggle to

gambit seems really annoying

[rapid barn]

I mean like I just threw it together earlier

oh true

hmm

[inner terrace]

if you really like whimsicott try using it on sun

it's not bad on sun

[rapid barn]

I did, its not bad

but wouldnt scald mola and dragapult deal with kingambit?

[inner terrace]

not necessarily

i mean it can

but you'll struggle like

long term

with sd + kowtow

repeatedly

[rapid barn]

true

maybe swap treads with tusk?

i was deciding between the two before

[rapid barn]

https://pokepast.es/f8de64cf5653e0f5
better?

[inner terrace]

now ur weak to status

really bad

[rapid barn]

Ah right…

[inner terrace]

maybe ghold over hatt and av mola?

[stable nymph]

Mmm

[dark socket]

https://pokepast.es/77b5766ac0bda969

[stable nymph]

Decided to scrap that team since I didn't vibe with it

https://pokepast.es/81a07c2788a30bbc

Made this instead. I am thinking of going with Balloon Gambit and changing Volc's item, but I want some confirmation

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stable nymph]

RedemptiveSketch in the OU room gave me the Zama spread (outspeeds other Idef Zama and 392 variants), but I might go with the Max Def/Spe spread

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/e0d0f0560aa0bfb0 (maybe this is too gimmicky ) but u twave to support dengo to sweep cuz its kinda slow

[heady carbon]

https://pokepast.es/7a4a3dba7a409a97

I cooked this up last night

Thought of replacing hatt with Ting lu

So that tusk gets stealth rock instead of roar

[heady carbon]

Mixed attacker Darkrai hmmm

you can beat opponents with surprise

They will never expect mixed Darkrai

[rapid barn]

sounds good

https://pokepast.es/9eea193056d53692

[rapid barn]

any other possible changes?

[inner terrace]

have to test it now

[faint flame]

https://pokepast.es/5e71eb92e0436652

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint flame]

ik there is no viable way 2 play dis but
what would be the least worst way

[solar sundial]

Why are you rain dance on zorua

[faint flame]

mental warfare

[solar sundial]

Ok so obvious awnser

[faint flame]

and ivy wogerpon

[solar sundial]

You're pretty much playing 5 V 6

Zorua doesnt do literally anything for you

[inner terrace]

wha

[final relic]

zorua does literally nothing in sv ou

[inner terrace]

this just loses to zama idt there is a viable way to play this

[final relic]

there is no way to make this work

[inner terrace]

losing to a top 3 mon for free

[final relic]

tera dragonite also wins on the spot

[inner terrace]

also who are you even fooling with toxic orb

[solar sundial]

You arent even fast enough to make trick toxic orb work

[inner terrace]

illusion toxic orb now ur sham is up

[faint flame]

so apart from illusion how should the rest of the team be

[final relic]

come back with a mon that isnt zorua

[inner terrace]

well u get rid of zorua for sure

[final relic]

hisuian zoroark isnt good at all either

[inner terrace]

i'll give zoroark a pass it's like

it's not good but fine

has something at least

[solar sundial]

Zoroark is at the bare minimum salvageable

[inner terrace]

not zorua tho

[faint flame]

i asked what the least worst would be

😭

[inner terrace]

throw on like

hm

[final relic]

nah not really when the rest of the team is this bad into dnite and zama aka the 2 best mons in ou

[inner terrace]

over zorua like ghold

[final relic]

yeah

[inner terrace]

also dont use band rilla

[final relic]

air balloon twave ghold

make rilla boots

probably

[inner terrace]

boots or AV

make zama tera fire roar

like idef 2a roar

[solar sundial]

Anyways uh

[final relic]

yeah thats fine

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/fe1b5aeda2a3e793 my turn to get dogpiled on

I wanna try and make suicune work (without doing pp stall)

Though i dont know how well i matchup against stuff here

[inner terrace]

what attacks does suicune even get

[final relic]

well suicunes only thing is basically pressure stalling

[solar sundial]

Ignore talonflame here that was just a test

[inner terrace]

dont use talon

[final relic]

uhh it looks pretty weak into will o darkrai

[inner terrace]

oh ok

[solar sundial]

Thats supposed to be bulky cinderace

[final relic]

or actually just darkrai in general has a crazy mu

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/1ec433856ce2c5c7

[solar sundial]

Shadow ball, ice beam, scald/surf/hydro pump, tera blast and

Yea thats it really

[inner terrace]

oh what the balls

[inner terrace]

grasspon over apple?

not sure

[solar sundial]

Hydrapple is saving my team from getting raw dogged down by waterpon

[inner terrace]

grasspon is solid against waterpon

[solar sundial]

No pause

[inner terrace]

but

you are kinda slow

and u do need a grass/dragon for pon

[solar sundial]

I could try thundurus over zapdos

Since thats faster and has more offensive utility

[inner terrace]

uhh how about no

thats not what i meant

[solar sundial]

By 1 point nevermind

[inner terrace]

i mean like

[solar sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

[inner terrace]

well ok u want something faster than rai here prolly

so your options are

scarf tusk

[solar sundial]

Scarf tusk??

[inner terrace]

yeah

[solar sundial]

Thats a set??

[inner terrace]

yes

[balmy cave]

https://pokepast.es/create is this good

shit wrong link

hold on

[inner terrace]

💀

boutta say

[balmy cave]

https://pokepast.es/ce4f61babe745f8c

[solar sundial]

Ok could i do play rough meow here over cinderace

[inner terrace]

with scarf?

[solar sundial]

Yea

[inner terrace]

uh hm

[final relic]

play rough is like really bad

id just make it zamazenta

[inner terrace]

wait whats play rough for

[solar sundial]

Handles rai and less-so dragonite here i think

[inner terrace]

i think you're better off clicking uturn

or flower trick

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/d452925f199fe34f

[inner terrace]

dragonite you already have one of the biggest nightmares for dnite in triple axel

[solar sundial]

Oh

[final relic]

axel over foul play

[inner terrace]

like this is ok to start but it's really slow

[solar sundial]

Thats meant to be play rough in the first place but still applies

I think im just gonna have to accept suicune doesnt have the offensive pressure to make anything besides a pp stalling set work

But i really dont have the patience for that

Also kyurem destroys this team

[rapid barn]

its actually rlly good, thx for the help!

I made some changes

like specs dragapult to help break

mola + whimsicott is really hard to break for a lot of teams

and they get in dragapult or something rlly easily

[inner terrace]

nice

[zenith grove]

https://pokepast.es/8436520f34e96e46 I have the feeling that I should change some moves

[inner terrace]

i'd make ghold scarf, change gambit for dnite

like some normal dd set

dd espeed eq ice spinner

or smth

[viral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/f24bb207ccc7a9af would any of yall make any big changes here? ive peaked 1700 with a variant of this team (ogerpon-w instead of -c) but i feel like this might be the best variation so far

[empty verge]

I feel like it could just be full HO but idk if that’s what you want

I feel like rock pon produces more on that type of structure

But this is by no means a bad team it seems pretty innovative

[viral ruin]

i was considering switching lando-t to defog corv and just scrapping tusk

[nocturne sable]

I’m not really a fan of this team into woger. I feel like it 6/0es your team. U-turn looks pretty free here too.

Dont like the speed tiers either. Moth & corner being the fastest mins here especially a team weak to Pon is not ideal.

This team seems little Mu fishy for me. I can definitely see games where specs moth lures in a ting Lu with Tera grass but any like decent volt turn spam/Hstack team rolls over this and speed tiers lacking aswell.

Team changes depend on which path you wanna go for. Do you want a more HO/BO approach. I’m assuming by your current team you want a Ho approach?

[viral ruin]

im leaning more towards ho yes, ive tried bo but i prefer offensive structures

[inner terrace]

i dont think it's that bad vs pon actually

definitely not great but enough to outplay

i would like more speed though

which would also i guess make pon easier so

[viral ruin]

defog corv instead of lando and IV instead of tusk?

then again i woudlnt have any ground

[inner terrace]

dont use corv

maybe pult over ghold and gambit over bolt?

better vs pon and additional pivot

and more speed

[viral ruin]

id be hesitant to part with bolt considering how many games it solo carries

[inner terrace]

okay then uh

how about just pult over ghold

probably can get away with no steel cause moth

[viral ruin]

just standard boots pivot?

[inner terrace]

could work

or band

both work

[nocturne sable]

Pon entirely depends on Tera baiting though and if it’s U-turn especially he’s kinda fucked cuz barely any ways of punishing pivoting on this team

[inner terrace]

u have lefties bolt

get hazards up

[viral ruin]

i could also go cb oger grass

u-turn knock cudgel superpower?

would be a big tera hog tho

that would get rinsed by dnite tho, which is half the reason i switched ogerw to ogerc

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/db054ee45ba24322 this is what I kinda envision on the team. Idk if you wanted to keep cornerstone but I made it spikes woger U-turn woger.

I also added helmet lando to have a form of punishing pivoting.

I added Zama here over tusk for speed. I could also see Pult working here too like a banded set or something.

Gambit here for the ghost resist. Added Hatt here as your new form of hazard control.

@viral ruin

[viral ruin]

ty, ill give it a go

[solar sundial]

https://pokepast.es/e7d284e14995a500 trying sand without excadrill

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[solar sundial]

Woah that pinged?

[rapid barn]

its kinda dumb to not use excadrill with sand given how good those 2 are together

also, no smooth rock

run bulky support or band

[solar sundial]

The issue with exca is that its just so frail it feels like it hardly does anything

[solar sundial]

It is bulky support

[rapid barn]

ok dont run smooth rock

[solar sundial]

Im kinda experimenting with hbd, left overs and SR

[rapid barn]

with balloon and 2 immunities it should get plenty of chances to switch

??

[solar sundial]

I mean in general

60/65 is pretty horrid

[rapid barn]

you have 50% more spdef in sand, and excadrill has a good amount of hp...

and with so many resists, 2 immunes and 1 more with balloon, you should be able to switch in a bunch of times

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[languid tendon]

You dont have more spdef in sand

Your not a rock type

[rapid barn]

oh wait yeah mb

scratch that

still a lot of resists and 3 immunities*

[solar sundial]

I just think exca doesnt feel super consistent

[languid tendon]

Excadrill is one of the hardest hitters rn

[solar sundial]

Which i guess is whether as a whole but

[rapid barn]

also a rlly good revenge killer

[languid tendon]

And with that 135 hp stat you can live hits

[rapid barn]

in sand you outspeed basically everything

[solar sundial]

I'll test it out some more but honestly i like chomp more

[languid tendon]

What does chomp do besides be slower excadrill in sand

?

[solar sundial]

Bulkier

Which makes it generally easier to use for me

[languid tendon]

Worse offensive type

I mean I guess

[inner terrace]

not necessarily

[languid tendon]

Lemme open the team before I say anything else tho

[inner terrace]

there are good teams with ttar no drill

for example the xav team

[solar sundial]

Whats the xav team

[inner terrace]

its a sample

it's like

rilla tar zap chomp zama

and ghold?

[languid tendon]

Another one is pharoyx ttar a nine team ( no idea how he stays 1800 - 1900 ngl )

[solar sundial]

Anyways can you take a look at the team

[inner terrace]

sure

i actually kinda like this

[languid tendon]

Also your team looks bad into specs pult

Other then ttar how do you beat specs pult

[inner terrace]

you put rocks up sand up and spdef pult is limited

that being said no need for smooth rock

[solar sundial]

Pretty sure iron crown can handle it

[inner terrace]

just run like lefties

[solar sundial]

KK

[languid tendon]

Yea do that

Smooth rock with no exca is bad

And smooth rock with exca is just okay

[inner terrace]

that is true

[languid tendon]

Since sand is always semi sand

[inner terrace]

i dont like smooth rock at all

personally

cause exca isnt gonna immediately sweep games a lotta the time

[solar sundial]

Anything else you think i could change?

[languid tendon]

When I do run exca with smooth rock ttar I go choice band

[solar sundial]

I know SD chomp isnt super popular

[inner terrace]

but i get it

uh

[languid tendon]

Maybe the sini for something that can beat pult

[rapid barn]

i like av/leftovers/band on ttar

[languid tendon]

Because ttar only lasts for so long

[solar sundial]

Sini is helping my woger matchup

[inner terrace]

dont drop sinistcha

[solar sundial]

I think i just get destroyed by it otherwise

[final relic]

you can be boots over smooth rock

[inner terrace]

sinistcha is good for zama

[final relic]

or lefties like quacc said

oh

wrong reply

[solar sundial]

Do you think wall breaking is gonna be an issue?

[final relic]

but yeah either works

uh

[inner terrace]

you have future sight + sd chomp

and future sight + roar

i think breaking wise you should be okay

[final relic]

yeah

[solar sundial]

Kk

[languid tendon]

Yea

[final relic]

if you really want you can go np apple over sinis

[inner terrace]

cm sinis is also solid

[solar sundial]

Didnt know if i had the immediate power to make it work or not but in that case its fine

[inner terrace]

my only concern with dropping sinis is zama

[final relic]

but yeah you should be alright with the tools you have

and zama yeah

[solar sundial]

I think sinis is better for both zama and woger

Yeah

[inner terrace]

apple is better vs pon btw, but zama is my concern

[solar sundial]

I could replace my zama for something else

Or make it ironpress

[languid tendon]

I'd keep zama ngl

Iron press here works too tho

[inner terrace]

yea go ironpress

since u arent ironpress corv

[solar sundial]

If thats all then TY

[languid tendon]

If you really want too go like 4 more speed evs on the zama ( since your gonna be iron press )

Too outspeed other iron press zamas

[inner terrace]

for zama maybe run chesto

[languid tendon]

Still dont like the specs pult matchup tho

[inner terrace]

i promise it's fine

lefties spdef tar is good into specs pult

and rocks + sand

if u let specs pult click uturn like 8 times on ttar and the pult isnt severely weakened that's on u

[heady carbon]

You have no reliable special attackers except Zoroark. Plus Zorua dies to absolutely everything so...

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/01441cbaa03b9772
Repost

[solar sundial]

Doesnt gambit really wanna be tera ghost for tusk?

[stable nymph]

Might try Tera Ghost + Lum

[solar sundial]

You have volcanian

Just dont get hit by will-o-wisp

And hatterene

[inner terrace]

i think this team is like fine

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/2617a2f4400e6a85 haven’t played for a while, just came back with BO

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic walrus]

Might make woger knock

[fathom tide]

imo lando > scor, lando's just a better fit on bo, scor is super passive especially without uturn and spikes is borderline useless with no ghost type or even tera ghost

or defog block ig

[magic walrus]

I mean now ig I can use cc tusk now lol

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/5f969f9b78007098 the fairy resist is kinda weak but there is av prima

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

this is fine i think

[limber spear]

[inner terrace]

maybe make gambit bulkier with lefties?

but it looks solid

[limber spear]

like 44 speed evs one?

yeah prolly glasses isn’t needed the team has enough breaking power

[inner terrace]

yeah

[limber spear]

[nocturne sable]

This is not that bad of a team. The only minor problem is that you have no spin blockers on your team.

https://pokepast.es/c039af39ff7b92bd this is what I envisioned your team to be like.

Garg felt kinda wasted here especially with that set so I kinda replaced it here. I added kingambit here to block mortal spin+ghost resist & it’s a pretty reliable wincon here. Tera ghost can also offer as secondary rapid spin block when needed.

I added will o hex Dragapult here to make up for the speed lost of replacing darkrai+it’s a ghost so it can naturally block rapid spin. Will o is also pretty supportive for kingambit & co.

I changed woger here to a more utility set with knock U-turn. Horn leech here to hit waters like prim+still having some sort of recovery

@magic walrus

[nocturne sable]

Also what you said here is nonsense and isn’t even true. Gliscor is fine on BO & doesn’t need U-turn to make progress on teams. & even in the context of no spin blockers spikes isn’t anywhere near “borderline useless”

[limber spear]

sorry for the ping but uh does cloak gambit work here 😭 garg is annoying af if they play it well and i got "double removal" too

[nocturne sable]

Please refrain from giving tiering advice & commenting on people’s teams if you’re not familiar with the metagame

[inner terrace]

they're asking about their own team

[inner terrace]

btw no

garg was an oversight but uh

[nocturne sable]

I was replying to a message above this

[inner terrace]

oh

[limber spear]

ig encore on woger can help me do smth against it

[inner terrace]

yeah encore and tusk can help

[limber spear]

would tusk be better with lefties

(tbf i like boots more)

[inner terrace]

prolly could run lefties or boots

[limber spear]

i'll see after i get more testing ig

[inner terrace]

what you could do is run helm tusk and run id press cloak corv

[limber spear]

good idea

more gimmick

thx

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/edc4e18108539728

Made this team eons ago

[inner terrace]

as far as shitmon teams go it's fair

not that bad

[deep parcel]

scarf lando is annoying

I tried enam for a bit but I prefer valiant

[inner terrace]

maybe phys def gking?

so u switch in on lando as it uturn so u get to go ace and wisp something

or it clicks eq and u go dnite

[deep parcel]

can u link the set please

[inner terrace]

i dont have a set on me

[deep parcel]

Is it just normal gking but bold?

[inner terrace]

i think just like 248 hp 252 def 8 spdef

and then +def -spe

[deep parcel]

ok thanks

[clear wagon]

it just rose in usage too LOL

but val can you help with the team?

my main goal is to get exca up and running

[final relic]

send what you got

[fickle moth]

https://pokepast.es/1bd629da8465ed4c
grassy terrain team, how can I improve it?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

prolly phys def gking

aside from that idk

seems pretty solid

maybe loon heatran and u dont need extender on rilla

like boots is fine or smth

[nocturne sable]

Physical gking makes sense here with like a lure set for great tusk

[sterile jay]

i just got cheesed by no retreat tera fliying jaw lock smeargle...

lmao

also power trip

[radiant flare]

https://pokepast.es/c4c8c9f44d7acdbf
thoughts on this sun?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

this sun is way too slow

no wake which automatically makes sun pretty gimmicky but

you should use speed booster BU tusk

[final relic]

wake is kinda mandatory

[inner terrace]

and do not use specs bolt on sun

use lorb

or like idk

wise glasses even

just not specs

not that wise glasses is good but it would def be better than specs

[radiant flare]

I will try life orb

and booster speed tusk

for tusk is it mixed bulk or just max hp

[rapid barn]

I like running bulky and fast

[rapid barn]

max hp max speed

and yeah run life orb raging bolt

you get walled super easily if you run specs

id like dazzling gleam on moth and the hp into def so it always survives a sucker punch

[heady carbon]

Air balloon > shuca berry

[radiant flare]

ended up subbing out bolt for wake it feels much better and i still can pivot with flip turn

[stable nymph]

What would it help with more?

Since I am going to be switching to it a good bit and potentially break the balloon quickly

[inner terrace]

nothing lol

keep shuca

the whole point is baiting grounds like tusk

trading into stuff

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/822405460efafae5 Some random team I made back when Geezing went up to OU

I forgot the Tera for Mola lol

It’s steel

[magic walrus]

I think I should probs use Av prim over clef (clef so useless without twave imo)

[stable nymph]

Btw how's the stall matchup on my team

[inner terrace]

i mean

not great but it's winnable

could run like taunt volcanion if ur really concerned

[stable nymph]

I might do that

[stable nymph]

Could I run taunt over EP?

[inner terrace]

yeah maybe

[faint flame]

https://pokepast.es/e97a4774a3ff826b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint flame]

how would yall play hazard stack with okidogi as a ko user

i had clef there but im not sure tbh

[marsh ruin]

Can that okidogi set beat corviknight? Im also building hazard stack

[inner terrace]

ruin over ting, run a dnite, run another fast mon

[faint flame]

kind off but you should go diffrent spread

with def invest it can setup on corv

im testing stuff out rn

[faint flame]

for which move

[inner terrace]

whirl

[faint flame]

alr

should i give zama roar then

and which mon is getting kicked out for a fast one

[inner terrace]

oh wait u alr have 5 mons

thought u had 4

roar on zama is fine

run scarf ghold

[faint flame]

yeah thats sounds good

got setup on dnite then

[marsh ruin]

Did you actually test the team yet?

[faint flame]

yes with a cm clef

[marsh ruin]

As knock user?

[faint flame]

it has knock aswell

but it was the standard cm set

[marsh ruin]

Bruh what coincidence im also using a clefable lol

But my knock user is Ogerpon Teal Mask

[faint flame]

she does good in hazard stack

[dark socket]

https://pokepast.es/603c3f9bc64108e6 feel like im pretty weak to a lando

[inner terrace]

lucario isnt good

you'd much rather a hatt

[magic walrus]

I’m not too sure about primarina but https://pokepast.es/27df1b2475a411ce

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

This whole team kinda odd honestly speaking

[empty verge]

Where’s your ground immunity

[magic walrus]

I forgot about that

[empty verge]

Pecha > Weezing

Make zama boots imo

Drop pult for moltres

Prim can be a steel

I don’t know how good tikaton is rn but it could definitely be fit there over prim

As it also provides utility such as knock

[magic walrus]

Should I use shadow ball

Hex doesn’t seem too good to me

[empty verge]

Honestly speaking you could afford a nasty plot set here if suggest trying both sets to see which fit better to your liking

Hex can be strong because of its ability

(It’s broken lowkey)

[magic walrus]

Well yeah but my ass luck doesn’t want me to use that plan

[empty verge]

Hex could definitely work alongside twave tikaton too

But like I said test see which you like better

[magic walrus]

K I’ll try it out

[empty verge]

Gl

[inner terrace]

i like running sball on pech personally

more consistent and better for ghold

[clear wagon]

i have but ill send it again

https://pokepast.es/e2cad38cf82597fa

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey I don’t think ground immunity is that bad if they switch to max def max hp mola

That can easily take headlongs from tusk

I would prob make Gweez Tera grass here for pon though

[clear wagon]

im not worried about luca but that dnite set is so troll

[nocturne sable]

Think zama can run boots here

[clear wagon]

so can dnite

otherwise just use innerfocus dnite to fully counter lando t

[nocturne sable]

& tickle mola for Pon aswell

[clear wagon]

yo just peeped this team again

dozo walls this entire team

[nocturne sable]

Lowkey though I think you can drop zama for dnite

[empty verge]

Maybe I personally always do a ground immune tho lmao

[dense vessel]

I have only recently got back into competitive, most of the time when I played showdown I just played in school with friends, but I have been trying to get better. Rate my team

Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Toxic Spikes
• Spikes
• Poison Jab

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Encore

Garchomp @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Swords Dance
• Tera Blast
• Scale Shot

Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Make It Rain
• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball

Zapdos @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• U-turn
• Thunderbolt
• Heat Wave
• Hurricane

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Play Rough
• Power Whip

[nocturne sable]

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[balmy cave]

gholdengo build kind of bad

[dense vessel]

alright I will

[dense vessel]

and yeah, the only build im 100% confident in is my garchomp. I have an alternate team where I use outrage and lum berry instead of loaded dice and scale shot, but the added speed from scaleshot makes me prefer that set

https://pokepast.es/4f951f621c00b3f4

this I guess

[jade cedar]

https://pokepast.es/ff4b68e92e05ec18 went 8 rounds with this team won on 6 of them, lost for a stall team and another for rng

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dark socket]

https://pokepast.es/a56c33931fa5a9ac

[inner terrace]

this is a solid record, you dont even have a bad stall mu

but i will say that i do prefer a flying type here, something like lorb plot torn could work

over krai

[final relic]

iron head drill is kinda meh and id do regular apple

try adamant tera ground sub rockslide eq spin

[inner terrace]

this is like fine

pult only water resist is a bit annoying but also i've seen balances that work with even worse

you have a gking so it shouldnt be that bad as well

[final relic]

im kinda not sure about your moth set too

[jade cedar]

something like this? https://pokepast.es/e4c1d239ea8684fa

[final relic]

just run fiery over flamethrower

tera ghost probably

you can have tspikes over uturn

[inner terrace]

no...

torn

[final relic]

or substitute

[inner terrace]

thund is super mid in terms of speed

and doesnt even do anything into stall

[jade cedar]

oh sry I kinda always mess up between torn and thund, I think you mean this? https://pokepast.es/cd96f718a25f5806

[inner terrace]

yeah thats fine

could even run lorb if u want

[dark socket]

zapdos is a treat tho

only weavile works for it but idk if its a save switch

[inner terrace]

how

gking is like

the best pivot into zapdos there is

aside from like boots bolt or smth

or spdef scor

[balmy cave]

https://pokepast.es/63c6f46aacdf725a is this good 😕

[inner terrace]

this is very slow

but i mean

doesnt look too bad

id run scarf ghold over gking and then rai over gambit if u wanna keep band rilla

and then make mola AV

but i would recommend u change rilla to SD

[dark socket]

ohh nvm

[worn plinth]

https://pokepast.es/bb33dc7a29ca759a, hey guys! Any suggestions to improve my team?

[raven plover]

I think rilla should probably use low kick or high horsepower over drain punch and either outspeed jolly gambit or modest raging bolt so 250 or 219 or 220

what does the tusk spread accomplish? I think you should definitely just be max speed max hp / attack because of how weak you are to tusk

and what is volcanion outspeeding with 207 speed? you should probably just hit 219/220 or max speed

kyurem and dragon moves from pult seem threatening tusk might like to be tera steel here too team looks good though

https://pokepast.es/7381eefea872ad1b something like this might be fine maybe tera fairy volcanion for extra gambit insurance too and still being able to tank headlongs well enough

[worn plinth]

Thanks for your suggestion!

The volcanion speed was to outspeed zam after a para from slowking because he lowkey runs my shit into the ground late game.

The tusk spread was definetly random mostly because I needed hazard removal and a way to deal with king gambit.

Low kick rilla is a great idea and I'll give tera fairy volc a try, I really liked the bug tera because I could sometimes get a way with a cheeky kill on a great tusk or lando lead.

Tera steel great tusk is also a pretty good idea, I'll give it a whirl

Also I get slapped hard by defensive alolamola, any suggestions on how to deal with that?

[timid lily]

https://pokepast.es/951da9017bcb367a

struggles against stall teams, against hyper protsin teams is also a struggle as slowking gets one shot by a the popular ones such as tera waling wake and i lose my weather control.

any ideas?

[raven plover]

for mola you can change volcanion to some trapper fire spin taunt steam wisp / sludge bomb / ep set

Volcanion @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Def / 36 SpA / 112 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Steam Eruption
• Fire Spin
• Taunt
• Will-O-Wisp
  leng loi uses this spread for that set you can change to boots if you want

[raven plover]

For stall teams you could try one of these rai
https://pokepast.es/0f4310c76a9dcd08

And you can change kingambit low kick to iron head so you can flinch through tera fighting dozo possibly and hit weezing galar

gking can be tera water spedef and then since you dont have low kick you can creep corv for gambit and make it tera fight or dragon

not sure if you can make the ho matchup better unless you change something to a wisp cind or something like that
https://pokepast.es/bac0c4685659734c something like this could be better if you force blissey any special walls to tera for the darkrai gambit can break through stall easily or you can hit focus blasts on the tera steel / darks

[timid lily]

i like it ill try it out thanks

[quartz stream]

hello chatters, I made this crackpot team with a kommo-o, is the kommo-o worth it or is it sabotaging the team?

I'm not a good builder so the team probably also has a lot of other issues, it works in midladder at least but I'm not good enough to reach high ladder
https://pokepast.es/d6b6d78b9a574a9b

the idea is to dragon dance (kommo doesn't have agility) and then endeavor or set rocks or clanging scales if needed

[raven plover]

tbh unique offensive leads like this are never bad like stuff that popped up like dudunsparce so this kommo-o shouldn't be a team sabotager by itself honestly

maybe you can put taunt on it over dd though

maybe you can do tera electric tusk and ice spinner or cc over knock since you have val for knocking stuff maybe av / lo zama over lefties could do well too since maybe you want more breaking power or safer into moonblast val and others

https://pokepast.es/4ee74bdf34ef1425 this could be cool and since theres electric tusk val can be dark to threaten gking harder

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @inner terrace, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inner terrace]

@raven plover this is ur fault >:(

[solar sundial]

Had team building always been as demanding as this gen?

Because like, you REALLY want a ghost resist, you REALLY want a ground type, and you REALLY want a ground mon

Then you have to watch out for stuff like dnite and zama too

So you have to build around not getting fucked by them

[raven plover]

I think in ss this was like the same case

[solar sundial]

The only like super omega dominant bs in SS was pult tho

[raven plover]

except your ghosts resists were also kinda just heatran and spedef lando and maybe mandi on certain teams

yeah but having a bad pult matchup in ss for some teams are unsalvagable tbh its really good there

[inner terrace]

you can break these rules if you want to load something cheesy

or if you have good ways to like

circumvent it

for example for ghost types sometimes you can have a bulky mon like av mola to cover it if you really cant fit a dark type

[marsh ruin]

What is av mola usually used for?

[final relic]

pivot check dragapult burn stuff para ogerpons who switch in and get body slammed

[inner terrace]

be a fat fuck that doesnt die as well

[marsh ruin]

What if the wellspring has power whip? Like bruh he has to pray for para proc from slam lol?

[inner terrace]

then mirror coat everything in existence except for darkrai

[final relic]

switch in as in the pon is coming in on you hoping to block flip turn

you are not sending mola into pon

[inner terrace]

well you arent using av mola for pon it's just that you can body slam pon coming in so you arent completely dead weight

you also usually carry a sturdy pon answer in the back

[marsh ruin]

Ahh ok

[inner terrace]

you'll see it be paired with something like pech zama nite

either 1 of those or 2 of those or all of those

[final relic]

pech av mola is a common pairing yeah

[quartz stream]

it definitely has gotten a bit worse

[marsh ruin]

Oh right

[final relic]

plus a ground in the back

[quartz stream]

there's a ton of mega offense threats that need to be revengekilled, and to fight them there's invulnerable walls that you have to break through

and if you don't have answers to both, you lose

even on balance teams there's 3000 alomomolas

[inner terrace]

building is hard but i feel like it's always been pretty hard

[solar sundial]

I think the other problem this gen is that this roster is just kinda worse than what SS had

Also powercreep but thats secondary to me

[solar sundial]

No tapu's, no ultra beasts

Tera is something you have to play around

[inner terrace]

i think the dex is fine in sv

its mostly the newer mons

[quartz stream]

it's an additional tool, the ogerpon will be coming in on the alo many times in a game, and the threat of body slam para helps discourage that and buy the alo space

[marsh ruin]

If you have a mola, usually how many wellspring answers do you need lol? Like ok, i dont mean stack pech and Hydrapple, but like standard alomomola feels so bad when you see Ogerpon

[quartz stream]

you usually want 1 oger answer, plus supplemental checks

[inner terrace]

it depends honestly

[quartz stream]

but it's not that hard to fit those hoenstly