SV OU Rates

[visual fjord]

I’m also 100% willing to use a weird lower tier pick if it fits a niche I need btw

[tacit bluff]

But that puts the whole ting lu is scary situation back up again

You can definitely outplay ting lu tho

Samurott pressures it well enough

[tacit bluff]

It's moreso I'm tryna find a lower tier that's good and has those requirements

Like iron hands does that in theory but in practice it likes to be a swords dance sweeper

Oooo wait wait

Rillaboom

[visual fjord]

So we’re looking for any Mon that is fast, bulky, hits decently hard, can pivot, and has cc?

[tacit bluff]

I think you can keep cc on tusk

Or make it knock even

Rillaboom seems like the best bet

It has a knock off of it's own and can massively dent ogerpon

Your team also absolutely does not mind grassy terrain

You'd just have to make landorus earth power which is the standard tbh

It also cripples ting lu

[visual fjord]

I’m fine with that

[tacit bluff]

Since it's earthquakes become a lot weaker

Ok so

Meowscarada-> rillaboom

Zapdos-> iron moth

I think that's good

[visual fjord]

That sounds great

Should I do jolly or adamant rillaboom?

[tacit bluff]

I personally prefer adamant but either is fine

[visual fjord]

I like adamant cause of the pivot spam

Oki

[tacit bluff]

Banded or life orb works

Banded maybe nicer if you intend to click u turn with it a lot

[visual fjord]

Banded for sure

[tacit bluff]

Since lorb chip every time you pivot is unpleasant

[visual fjord]

Indeed

[tacit bluff]

Iron moth can be a lot of sets

[visual fjord]

Booster energy, fiery dance, sludge wave for sure

[tacit bluff]

Check smogon strategy dex, the ev spread is the same for all

[visual fjord]

It’s the other 2 moves

[tacit bluff]

It's mostly the moveslots

[tacit bluff]

Dazzling gleam is nice for dragons, toxic spikes can punish switching around it substitute to farm more fiery dance boosts and it likes gterrain

Honestly just pick and choose and see what works best

[visual fjord]

Oki

Thank you so much for the help

[tacit bluff]

Anytime

Also hehe megrocks pfp

[visual fjord]

lol

[visual fjord]

Actually ur hours say 10-8

:3

That was not funny lol

[tacit bluff]

It's ok you reminded me I needed to update them anyway

[visual fjord]

That’s good

[tacit bluff]

My hours are whenever my broken sleep schedule tells me

I should to go sleep tbh

[elder knoll]

go to sleep 😭 wtf

[visual fjord]

Hear me out here

Moth learns u turn

:3

[tacit bluff]

Booster energy u turn 💔

[visual fjord]

Oh ye

lol

[tacit bluff]

That would work on boots sets but you want the speeeeeeddd

[visual fjord]

I’m not used to booster

Indeed I do

[limber spire]

https://pokepast.es/90c027958b855505

hey can someone see if my team is any good

revolves around bolt

[final relic]

modest coat ghold is somewhat of a noob trap

you want to be timid usually since it already nukes everything

like being randomly slower than gliscor or even tera'd bolt is catastrophic

dnite as well, zap, list goes on

anyway im not too sure about this samurott spread

use the sample one

speaking of dnite your mu into it is pretty bad

can run tera bug raging bolt for a better EQ resist in a pinch like vs. flying blast

[limber spire]

Ive noticed

i lose if I dont perserve weavile and they have tera still

[limber spire]

it would be weaked to blast

[final relic]

well yes but nobody is going to click that vs. unrevealed raging bolt unless they know the set already

[limber spire]

I like this spread, handle special moves pretty well

[limber spire]

true

but if its encore I lose

[final relic]

also weavile should have axel; missing and rocky helmet sucks but multiscale breaking is very valuable, as well as tera ice being able to kill waterpon rather than switch out and get uturned on/have to take a cudgel

[limber spire]

Well the prom with that is I miss very often

problem

[final relic]

oh you also miss out on ohkoing great tusk which can be an issue

[final relic]

well

~70% chance to do something vs 100% chance to miss out on it

[limber spire]

True

[chrome shale]

https://pokepast.es/34616ab19df0fda7
im not sure if this is the right channel for incomplete teams / full teambuilding advice but im trying to figure out how to finish this

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome shale]

im working off smogon advice rn

[nocturne sable]

We only rate complete teams

[chrome shale]

ohh okok gotcha, is there anywhere in the server to forward this

[echo rampart]

comp-general is fine

[nocturne sable]

You can ask #comp-general for help on teambuilding

[chrome shale]

alr tysm

[chrome shale]

https://pokepast.es/faa7cab8bbd4a27f
ok i actually do have something 2 put here though :P

advice appreciated not tested like at all

[desert citrus]

Specs Kyurem: https://pokepast.es/01ac45c076158813

[wooden mountain]

Very weak to opposing gholdengo + hazard stack

[wooden mountain]

Here’s an edit of the blimax team with specs Kyurem that should be similar to yours

https://pokepast.es/847fbc7b7b832fe1

[wooden mountain]

Not that this team fares well into ghold hazard stack either because if they’re bootspam they can just set hazards again after court change

But cinder lets you do something at least into ghold

[final relic]

i think youre kinda misunderstanding how veil works

generally you want to stack a lot of setup sweepers like double dance gliscor/ darkrai/ kyurem etc and there isnt any real defensive core

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/4a2208c93f076015

[eager plaza]

I made a Conkeldurr hstack BO and it felt good to use, Im having trouble against gliscor, maybe its just skill issue since I have oger-w

https://pokepast.es/c3d446819e8cc870

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[final relic]

assuming there is not meant to be double rocks here you need a ghold since corv comes in on all 6 besides torn

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/3820113d95436b66

[stone sierra]

Can’t come in on Apple

[final relic]

it does tho.. even if pump actually threatens locking urself into that is even worse

hwish over pain split is also strange

[stone sierra]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hydrapple Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 186-220 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

You really don’t want to switch in on Apple

[final relic]

.

that’s

not good

corv outspeeds and roosts then takes 24 from the next draco and now you just lost half of them in exchange for one roost

point being, it outlasts a lot of your mons and tornadus is not really enough to threaten it; you need to also have longevity or be able to keep hazards on or both

another reason to put on ghold is that flynite just needs a little chip on hatterene to win instantly

[nocturne sable]

As much as I don’t really rate conkeldurr(because it’s mostly outclassed by Ursaluna) I do see the vision with this team.

How ever I feel like this team is kinda weak to opposing wogers as you have mons that let it in for free(mola & tusk) and nothing that can really switch into it.

You also don’t have a proper ground immune.

https://pokepast.es/aeb834e9881520b2 this is a rough idea of what changes I would make to your team.

-I made mola body slam to at least give you a chance of crippling woger on the switch.

-I added cyclizar to be your spinnner instead of tusk. It’s decently fast which can help with your speed and can switch in on wogers cudgels. It also forms a regen core with mola. You can also try AV>boots if you want more sturdiness against special attackers like gholdengo.

-I also added Gliscor to be your spike setter. It also gives you a secondary knock absorber and does open a lot of counterplay for you with toxic, etc.

-wish clefable was just my personal twist to make your team more obnoxious. Double wish+double regen sounds fun in theory. You can revert back to knock off clef is you wish to though.

-as a general note you can also experiment with set up sweepers like a nasty plot gholdengo for example to give your team immediate breaking power if you want.

-also minor detail, I made conkeldurr 4 speed. It might not seem important but it actually allows you to outspeed non speed invested ting Lu(they both have the same speed stat) and I also added drain punch over earthquake because eq just seemed kinda redundant when you can already hit pecha and Ghold with knock off.

[vocal egret]

https://pokepast.es/81f092781631461f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

cool sun team, Corv is probably superfluous. team isn't THAT weak to rocks and you have Tusk + Hatt. Better to just throw on another Sun abuser imo.

[nocturne sable]

This is like the old sample sun team with corviknight added over ceru

[vocal egret]

i threw in corv because i don't know who else to put in 6th slot

[echo rampart]

plenty of mons that like sun. Slither Wing, Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, Blaziken, Ceruledge, Cinderace

pretty much a free slot

[vocal egret]

i'll play around with those

[vocal egret]

i'm relatively low elo, ninetales lead and immediately switch to hatterene on a hazard setter works most the time

[somber sapphire]

*bump

[nocturne sable]

I mean it looks like a regular sun team from a glance but some of the choices you made here are pretty odd like booster energy tusk(when you already have sun) and a Lando in here for some reason

[nocturne sable]

^youre better off running one of the mons here as your last slot

[somber sapphire]

I was just kinda out of options for a 6th mon.

Not choosing blaziken because it only fits on HO. Definitely looking forward to maybe rbolt

can also go with bp cind

[nocturne sable]

Blaziken can definitely fit on Sun+Sun basically operates like HO

[somber sapphire]

I'll go with that instead!

[rapid barn]

iron moth?

its a really good sun abuser and sweeper in general

slot in overheat to muscle through some of the tankier mons

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/307e5e75769a76ad ahem, one last repost

[magic walrus]

I’ve been struggling against Tera ghost ting Lu after zama is wisped

[spice briar]

https://pokepast.es/c272e5fafe8c7827

[spice briar]

Staraptor

I know this team is bad

But maybe I could make it a bit better

[low phoenix]

Doesn’t Zamazenta and wogerpon bully ting Lu

You can try dragonite over raging bolt for a flying type and wogerpon check

Standard dragon dance is fine but bulky dragon tail works too

[magic walrus]

K, I’m just trying out boots bolt

[glossy marsh]

https://pokepast.es/eb23461c38825711

How can I improve this team.

[viral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/bca648930fb8f48a any tips? been considering ogerC over ogerW, but not sure if losing water cudgel is worth over improving dnite matchup

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

the team looks not half bad here

i think moth though can be changed into smth else

power wise youre fine so im thinking another mon with some defensive utility

i'll say wisp darkrai looks pretty good here

the team needs a decent ghost resist and with wisp + ice beam you threaten dnite alright

[viral ruin]

thats a good shout

[wooden linden]

i'll say that lando could def be turned into a choice scarf user to be more safe into stuff like dnite

you can prob then put rocks over cc on tusk

[viral ruin]

dnite and kyurem are probably the biggest issues i can think of

[wooden linden]

dnite should be fine rn with the changes

[viral ruin]

tera ice/flying tera blast then?

[wooden linden]

tb fly is fine yeah

kyu is a bit scary but air balloon ghold should help manage the issue

[viral ruin]

thanks, ill try your suggestions

lo darkrai?

[wooden linden]

Nah boots wisp is fine

[devout dew]

https://pokepast.es/787d1a5aaa3512c9 rate my team?

[nocturne sable]

Your team is not legal for SV OU as it has a banned mon(chi yu) in it

Maybe it was meant for doubles looking at it? Or vgc

[devout dew]

oh yes is doubles team

[nocturne sable]

There should be a channel for smogon double rates if you scroll down the RMT section #1051236342740308089

[devout dew]

shit I didn't see that one when I looked

I apologize

[nocturne sable]

Nah it’s all good

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/8fb3a370d43cb488 lefties torn t seems pretty fun

feel like needed a strong woger check smh

[wooden mountain]

Use pokepaste 😭

Also this team won’t be viable in OU
Maybe try monotype and the monobug samples?

[nocturne sable]

Ok this is clogging the channel unnecessarily.

If you want to use a bug type only and have it rated you should go to monotype rates.

[jade raft]

Okay im new to competitive and wanted to make a team with gallade trick room how's this

[low phoenix]

you should use pokepaste next time

and 2 of these mons arent ou eligable

theres a psy terrain trick room team somewhere in the ou rmt form if you are interested though

[nocturne sable]

I’m pretty confident this is for vgc considering you’re using moves like wide guard?

In that case just scroll down the #1051236342740308089 section to find vgc rates because this channel is meant for SV OU singles

[jade raft]

Ooooh my b ty

[nocturne sable]

All good 👍

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

bro really saw helping hand indeedee and thought this was for singles 😭

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/85f796d0c776618c ok this time hopefully 😭

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

could prolly go focus miss> heat wave

but thought like lefties can help w/ ting lu and we ignore hamu cuz i miss it anyways

[tacit bluff]

plot torn is usually lorb or boots

ftr

lefties is probably ok but eh I mean

ur regen anyway

[limber spear]

🤔 fair enough tho

prolly lo is just better overall

[tacit bluff]

lo just gives you that extra kick

the nice thing about torn as a sweeper that yeah it doesn't like switching out but the fact that it can and heal back to plot later is pretty damn good

[nocturne sable]

FWIW the 6 mons itself are fine for the most part. Although you can potentially adjust some sets like torn/Woger

[limber spear]

prolly can tweak both of their sets

[tacit bluff]

^

[limber spear]

do i just go lo> lefties

or is the moveset not fine

[tacit bluff]

moveset is fine

you generally want fblast

but I don't hate dark pulse

[limber spear]

wish the analysis is out so i can see alterantive sets 🙁

[nocturne sable]

Dark pulse is fine for a gking

[tacit bluff]

it is!

[limber spear]

gambling with the dpulse flinch is pretty fun (x

[limber spear]

[tacit bluff]

I wrote it!

not the plot set tho

[nocturne sable]

A real heater is sub nplot but 3attacks is okay

For Woger I’m thinking it can be utility spikes and pivot towards Hstack a little bit?

[limber spear]

sub npolt 😭

good idea (but would it work here tho)

[tacit bluff]

plot torn can also click knock off

[limber spear]

i personally dont rlly like spikes on woger cuz of how my brain works

😭

[tacit bluff]

icy wind is a potential option

trolls booster speed val

and scarfrai

etc

just not very strong

oh and dnite

[limber spear]

very nice ideal i will make one with sub+one with icy wind

one day

is utility woger (spikesless ) fine here

|| when i bring spikes on woger my mind will tell me to click ivy cuz its big numbers||

also mind if i ask what does icy wind/sub torn-t run ? (is icy wind just np bleak icy and heat wave with lo + sub boots bleak np heat wave)

[nocturne sable]

Sub np bleakwind+dark pulse probably covers everything decently

Bleakwind+wave gets walled by heatran and bleakwind+focus blast walled by dengo. But sub is more of niche set though

[limber spear]

but then wouldnt it be better to be walled by tran than gambit

(cuz gambit is more common)

[nocturne sable]

Yea this is probably why we run 3 attacks most of the time.

[limber spear]

anyways thanks both of u appreciate it

[rain sleet]

https://pokepast.es/deceac9defcd36af

how does this look
(i know it struggles against clodsire/blissey stall stuff who can i replace for it)

i need a wallbreaker

i guess it will be ival over darkrai

[rain sleet]

weakness 1: rain

hurricane spam major issue

[alpine hornet]

coul go steel mola

i will also say u want 24 hp on mola

ft over fire blast on molt

[nocturne sable]

I think the team lacks a proper dragon resist imo, bolt clicks Draco for free on this team

[alpine hornet]

ur also quite bolt and rai weak, id go treads over tusk

maybe wisp rai for gambit after that change

[nocturne sable]

I was thinking nasty plot darkrai over ice beam here

[alpine hornet]

and i think u could consider av kyu here asw

[alpine hornet]

meh i like util rai more

scarfrai could also be an option

av kyu scarfrai i like a lot actually

could go the evil set i forget if its verts or xavs but pulse beam trick wisp

i also dont adore lefties tusk rn id go boots or helm

act id def go boots

considering ur reaction to tspike

[alpine hornet]

yeah so

steel mola
ft molt
lefties treads over tusk
scarf rai
av kyu

would be my list of changes

forgot abt treads for a sec

[rain sleet]

okay guys i read your suggestions thank u very much

[rain sleet]

allright

[rain sleet]

makes sense

[rain sleet]

for what 🤔

https://pokepast.es/cd422a9e5279ad26

so this should be it

https://pokepast.es/92ee86d238da2b60
also i made another team with a few more changes and i believe this team is very passive but quite unbreakable too

[gray stump]

https://pokepast.es/042cfeff555127cd

Uh I used this on low ladder and did pretty well

Not too great into any weather whatsoever but what isn’t

[nocturne sable]

This team seems like it wants to be offence I’m assuming? If so

-why are you running overqwil? I mean ig it’s technically a ghost resist but it’s not that good outside of rain, and that set just gives free entry to gholdengo which you don’t really want. I would rather you go gambit/hamurott>overqwil for a more consistent ghost resist.

I would also make Lando Earth power>>eq to bypass iron defense zama and make it Tera ghost as your team looks really weak to it.

Also if I’m running BU tusk, I would run taunt Tera poison to bypass iron defence/body press mons like corv, zama, etc.

Not sure you need boots Val here tbh, you would benefit from booster energy here so you can actually be an effective cleaner. If you want anti-hazard gameplay you can add hatterene on this team over a tusk or something. Hatterene generally fits well on offense teams like this

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/5696220109a0ee0f quite liking this team a bit

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Tbh most balance teams would want a proper ghost resist. Your team seems pretty weak into gholdengo and it doesn’t help that you have foul play pecha and a clef that lets it in for free.

Me personally I don’t think clef fits here. It’s a momentum sink and feels redundant here. This team is more suited to go in a more BO direction than balance. The same feeling here for pecharunt.

I would replace those two^ with kingambit & glowking. Kingambit gives you a proper ghost resist for dengo and glowking allows you to pivot around more while checking more relevant threats like special kyurem, etc.

https://pokepast.es/7653e65a2c631eb8 something like this

you can adjust the dragonite set to a roost variant and make zama boots if you want a better MU vs pon

[gray stump]

Overqwil was there to set up spikes and die and I don’t oppose to any of those suggestions

[nocturne sable]

Yea I think Hamurott would be a more consistent spikes setter in that case

[carmine oak]

is this fine https://pokepast.es/a29189eaa3291ad6

[stone sierra]

Scarf focus blast ghold kinda fucks you up

[carmine oak]

av gking then?

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/c7d05a94fc2165e5 is this over cook

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

cuz drif sound like an insane role compression as it spin blocks and wins 1v1 with tusk and can also knock

not sure if after math is better than unburden tho

[rain sleet]

unburden for faster strength saps

also i saw people using calm mind shadowball over haze knockoff but idk about this set

[rain sleet]

review this too pls

[magic walrus]

Alo set is a bit weird being wishfish but also mirror coat, can’t rate cuz I’m not rater tho but that is the first thing I see off.

[nocturne sable]

Wishfish can run mirror coat. 252def 252spdef with mirror coat is a common set

[magic walrus]

Maybe I play too much raging bolt that I ohko that type of wishfish too much lol

oh and it specs variant aswell

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/e9f9b2b00ee4c661 i just hope there are some rain raters

[nocturne sable]

This is like a basic rain team so not much comments.

-I would maybe make barraskewda mystic water with poison Jab for waterpon

Maybe add a tornadus here for a consistent ground immune or make gambit air balloon. Should be fine for the most part

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/768464c78a9f9594 this one is actually fire

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt wind]

https://pokepast.es/aad804946b0cbb13 this is a variation of that one stall team that was super popular with talonflame for ghold

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt wind]

i put gambit > talon for ghold and kyurem but i dont love it. also not sure if im set on balloon, i tried leftovers for a few games, but it doesnt feel too great either

also has a w-ogre problem

[echo rampart]

talonflame and kingambit are not remotely interchangeable

you need the hazard removal

vs waterpon you generally have to tera toxapex early

[wooden mountain]

Double regen stall from pre-home is outdated

Tera flying mola isn’t a good knock absorber anymore

Try these:

https://pokepast.es/c6a78cbf89190403

https://pokepast.es/e8c36e1be8adf74a

https://pokepast.es/257c96f27ba7f7ce

[harsh raft]

Thats 5 mons g

[nocturne sable]

We only rate complete teams

[faint pulsar]

oh sorry

[gaunt wind]

thank you my goat, i havent played since first patch of SV

am i allowed to ask for the stall empire discord here

is double regen outdated bc garg isnt so popular? havent seen it much on low/mid ladder

[gaunt wind]

i see, it honestly felt like i was just removing rocks for talon, but i think thats lowkey a skill issue from not protecting boots on it hard enough

[faint pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/06b97692031c9074 okay, anything you'd change to the team?

[wooden mountain]

DMs

[gaunt wind]

thanks!

[faint vortex]

Your team lacks a ground immunity for starters. Lando can be a problem IMO

[wooden mountain]

Sun is mandatory if you want to use entei

[faint pulsar]

i see

[limber spear]

evs should come in a multiple of 4 if u r playing lv 100

(refering to the apple)

[faint pulsar]

okay

[faint pulsar]

which one should I switch out for torkoal? Or is even torkoal the sun setter I want to use?

[wooden mountain]

Just rebuild it from scratch as a sun team

Sun structure is very different from normal BO

[faint pulsar]

okay!

[faint pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/eca62f6271278955 is this good? rilla is there for the terrain and earthquakes and tran is there to take the fire damage to it

[stone sierra]

Yeah no you’re still super weak to ground

[stone sierra]

6-0ed by kyurem

[faint pulsar]

damn

[faint vortex]

Quick note: sleep mechanic is not legal in OU

You have to change out yawn on torkoal

[faint pulsar]

Okay

[faint vortex]

Would any RMT folk be willing to help me decide between 2 variations of a team?

[rapid frost]

This team feels

Unfocused

Firstly

I love using shitmons

But entei just is not that good

Sun really wants its offensive pressure

So using slots for rilla or heatran are iffy

If you have a sun team

Ideally you want 3-4 abusers

[rapid frost]

? Send team

[faint pulsar]

thanks

[rapid frost]

Good abusers are

Like

Raging bolt

Walking wake

Venusaur

Some builds use lilligant

Hisui

[limber spear]

there’s also ceru as abuser

or niche options like comfey

[rapid frost]

Ceru and comfey

Yeah

In general

[faint pulsar]

comfey? really?

[rapid frost]

Strong fire types

Chlorophyll users

[rapid frost]

Very good weather ball abusers

Let’s it break its enemies

[faint pulsar]

ohh

[rapid frost]

Steels

[limber spear]

also tusk and slither wig but that r more of a support tho

[rapid frost]

Without tera

Oh yeah you almost always

Want a tusk

Hatt is a good pick for an eject button and healing wish

Whimsicott is

An abuser that exists

Not that good tho

[faint pulsar]

do i want tusk even if I have torkoal already?

[rapid frost]

Usually venusaur is just

Better

[rapid frost]

Yes

Having a spinner that you don’t need for sun

Helps a lot

Also a spinner

Who isn’t rocks weak

Also you should use nine tails

[faint vortex]

Sweet thanks!

This is the first and primary iteration I run with https://pokepast.es/cccd135c622ba0ac

And the one I came up with https://pokepast.es/32e5beb7370394ae

I am just wondering which one would be better for climbing ladded

[rapid frost]

Much better utility

Than torkoal

[rapid frost]

Hmm

Both feel

A bit weak

[faint pulsar]

Okay!

[rapid frost]

Into some Regen structures

Like mola

Might want a better regen punish

Like Woger

Weavile doesn’t seem too mandatory

On that team

Since you already have zama

For some speed

You could try replacing that

With woger

SD probably fine

Could go pivot utility though

Focus on spreading knock

SD is prob better though

Much better at stall breaking

[faint pulsar]

did you mean comfey with weather ball?

[rapid frost]

Comfey is an ok abuser

But in general kinda

Eh

I’d avoid using comfey

Raging bolt and walking wake

Usually are 2 of the best abusers already

And then venusaur tusk or some other option

Can do better

You usually want a hatterene

As well

Since as sun your removal is always a bit eh

Being forced to spend a turn on removal

Is a turn that you can’t use sun for

Offensive purposes

[faint pulsar]

av hat or healing wish?

[rapid frost]

Usually eject button

For momentum

With healing wish

[faint pulsar]

could defensive volcanion be good?

[rapid frost]

Probably not

On sun teams

You want to focus on offense mostly

Whatever bulky mons you have

You want offering a lot of utility

Or power

Or pivoting

You’re also nerfing

Volcanion’s best stab move

[faint pulsar]

https://pokepast.es/5015455f998abe28

is that good?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rapid frost]

Looks a bit better

I’ll let the others take it from here

Very late here

[faint pulsar]

ty

[faint vortex]

This is all interesting feedback. Thanks! I admit i hoped to keep weavile on as an offensive threat. W-Oger is damn good tho and mola/regen is a problem for this team. Even primarina is a nuisance, so it helps on both fronts

I was also wondering your thoughts on the changes I made with torn/treads vs Lando/hatt. Its late, so we can pick up this discussion tomorrow

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/ce94adc3dd1846ce need help with this fezan balance

[nocturne sable]

I’m ngl fez is just overlapping with a lot of stuff here. you already have glowking that fills a similar role.

Your team is pretty passive and struggles vs pon.

I would drop fez for zama to improve the woger MU and drop dengo for ace to provide extra hazard control for kyurem

Me personally I’m making kyu specs but subtect is also fine

[magic walrus]

lol this feels like the subtect sample but with zama over dozo

[nocturne sable]

Well I mean, your team was basically that but with a random fez for some reason

[magic walrus]

true. me just like toxic chain

[faint vortex]

Any RMT folk willing to look these teams over for me, give their thoughts on which team structure is better?

[somber sapphire]

Let’s call it zama balance now

Team was fine to me tbh

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/d74e20c00d72f3f1 experimenting with the offensive water+specs pult thing

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

have already done it w/ prim and woger before

[echo rampart]

ngl sub cm should run lefties. team looks rlly cool tho.

have u considered just boots 4 atks keld with future sight combo?

also maybe ting lu as a hazard setter > tusk and replacing gambit. tinglu zapdos gloking is an infamous defensive core

[gritty lake]

i think i did have that orignally

but sub cm sounded cooler ig

[echo rampart]

sub cm with tera steel owns stall pretty hard yeah it's neat

just probably superfluous with future sight in tandem

and again i would use lefties so u can actually sub repeatedly vs stall mons

[gritty lake]

yea makes sense

[gritty lake]

what do i replace gambit with tho

would garchomp work here lol

oh wait no

steel type

https://pokepast.es/e08664780d109f44

something like this?

[echo rampart]

could do spin treads

[gritty lake]

is that better than not having prio here

[echo rampart]

forgot to respond, sorry. gloking + zapdos + pult can generally handle most fast threats

tinglu for darkrai too

only huge issue is weavile? which keldeo can check in a pinch

[stone sierra]

How do you deal with pon

[gritty lake]

theres a pult and zapdoos

gambit priority

[final relic]

• scizor as only removal is really sketchy
• need waterpon answer

i think youre trying to go in 2 different directions here tbh you can either go with fat hstack or more offensive but this is like both at the same time which doesnt work that well

you probably want to have like pech/dragonite in here since zap is not the best at answering pon

though pech and gking are kinda mutually exclusive

also keld should probably be hdb since this looks more bootspammy and again sciz is not great removal

could drop sciz entirely go keld clef lu pech zap pult or something like that

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/9da1d5ff189d57f3 what do y'all think about my gallade hazard stack? I could go treads over ting-lu but i'm not sure

and make zapdos 252 sp def

[faint vortex]

Tinkered with a team I've been play with for a while. https://pokepast.es/040e37fc6d1dfe8a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zenith grove]

https://pokepast.es/b5be19418e030360 What'd you think about this snow team?

[carmine oak]

idk about no removal with a cb mon

[somber sapphire]

I'm running treads with rapid spin now

[carmine oak]

paste?

[somber sapphire]

yea let me get it rq https://pokepast.es/dde3b09db102ff80

this is it

[carmine oak]

how is it into like darkrai?

and pult or gholdengo

[somber sapphire]

I think it can ohko krai with maybe band sacred sword

[heady carbon]

https://pokepast.es/60d46c9606912aa4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[heady carbon]

My poor attempt at creating a rain team

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/872d7f8e9e49d63a

Is this team good?

[magic walrus]

Blastoise could be a different spa attacker like torn t or greninja. Ur choice tho, rest looks good

And make barraskweda mystic water with poison jab over cc

[heady carbon]

Why does your pelliper have keen eye

[tepid hazel]

It should have drizzle?

[heady carbon]

how can it set rain then?

[tepid hazel]

OO ALR

I must have not see. The ability

Is the team
Ok?

[heady carbon]

Otherwise the team is nice

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/05fb176226c64df0

What about this one

[heady carbon]

Yo that team looks fire 🔥
except keen eye pelipper (again)
and you should use thunder for magnezone since it's in the rain

[magic walrus]

Hp is not accessible now in gen 9 😔

[tepid hazel]

Ok

[heady carbon]

oops I failed to notice the hidden power

replace with tera blast fire

[magic walrus]

And other mons don’t learn some of the move they learn now like alo lost toxic in gen 9 (ik it’s sad but Tera makes up for it)

[tepid hazel]

Which team is better the frist one or second

[heady carbon]

second I think

[tepid hazel]

One question should I replace magnezone with ferrothron or Zapdos?

[heady carbon]

Ferrothorn can't be used in Gen 9

[limber spear]

u need a woger check in rain i think

[tepid hazel]

What’s that

[limber spear]

ogerpon-well spring

although rain is pretty meh in ou most rain run pelli+bara (there r cb/mystic water with flip/liqui/jet/cc)+treads(utility)+a woger check mainly bolt or nicher stuffs like toxicroak

correct me if i'm wrong

https://pokepast.es/9f72b42747567d5d here is a rain structure by marnie

(treads is prefered over tusk bc it checks bolt better iirc)

[nocturne sable]

This is not a bad attempt at a rain team. It’s almost a standard rain team but with an unorthodox set up sweeper in blastoise

Which in that case I think I’m in support of that. If you can find the opportunities to set up I can definitely see it working

Although I think you might want +speed nature for Tera Tealpon

And yea make the barra standard barra with poison jab>ice fang for woger

[ancient jetty]

hi chat, made a team thats not bad(imo) for the first time in a while but wanted thoughts /suggestion for ithttps://pokepast.es/a12c043436703b33

[somber sapphire]

Bumping this. I literally lost to a fucking dragon monotype team 💀

[hot dome]

I see you are running a banded gallade. Don't. Hope that helps!

ok seriously your spdef check is a fraud (idk why you're running spdef zapdos it has no good resistances and several flaws + can't even threaten back major threats like Gholdengo), Booster Energy treads is a really strange pick here since this is more of the balance/bulkier offense side and a one time switch in is really meh + its not even that good of speed control since you dont have spinner to threaten dragons and solo eq stab isnt that threatening

This is a weird team all around, speed control is lacking defense is lacking theres several flaws with this team

I would recommend using the sample teams for now, and learn more of the metagame first

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[green bison]

https://pokepast.es/87b1abc338d30552

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[green bison]

made an absolutely diabolical team

[nocturne sable]

I can half understand what this team is suppose to be but this is super wack

[somber sapphire]

For some reason you have a malamar as your 6th which is pretty odd

[nocturne sable]

this is like a watered down version of a cheesy webs defiant team

[somber sapphire]

What is that thundurus set now?

Light ball with acrobatics

[nocturne sable]

I don’t know what else to say other than look at samples

[green bison]

iron ball

to get the defiant sticky webs boost

then fling to toss it off with huge damage and then agility

malamar is here because I like him

[green bison]

The lion does not concern himself with the current state of OU

The lion uses his favorites and wins

[somber sapphire]

Did you know that malamar won’t be viable in OU?

[green bison]

^^^

the lion simply does not care

the lion likes malamar and will use it to win

[somber sapphire]

Technically if you don’t mind being around 1000-1100 elo go ahead and use the team
If you wanna win and climb the ladder you have to use what is viable

[green bison]

meh

[somber sapphire]

Sometimes your favorites won’t be viable in OU

[green bison]

Current state of OU is slap whatever you can find in the OU tab on your team, put kingambit on there for insurance and win for free p much

so its very nice just using the mons I like and climbing up the ladder

[green bison]

didn't some guy take pachirisu to worlds and win???

the lion knows little to nothing about this fact, however the lion will use this as a beacon of hope to do as he pleases

[somber sapphire]

You can sometimes make shitmons like magcargo work and even if you can they will never be viable

[rain sleet]

https://pokepast.es/f3ef357b8ef016fd

can dragmag ever work again

actually i just want a haxorus team

maybe screens something can help

but hows this one like

[green bison]

what does viability even mean when the entirety of the competitive scene is the same five teams and like 2 different movesets 💔💔💔

[paper chasm]

larp

[somber sapphire]

viability means that a mon can work in that specific tier, unviability means that a mon is not going to work in that tier because it's outclassed
You've been told to use samples

[simple perch]

insane noob cope

[nocturne sable]

You can use the mons you like if you want, but if you’re coming here asking raters to rate your team you have to be willing to optimize your team

Otherwise it’s best not to post here.

[dreamy pawn]

https://pokepast.es/72f33802ce007446 having trouble rounding out the offensive core here

[nocturne sable]

RMT only rates complete teams, if you need help to complete your team you can ask #comp-general and hope someone responds

[chrome shale]

https://pokepast.es/38cf120b9c722785
i have used this team to some success in lower ladder, but i think it has its issues and they will probably be more obvious to others then they are to me :P

[nocturne sable]

Is this suppose to be a hazard stacking type of balance style? Just curious because some of the mons here are questionable

[chrome shale]

i was mostly going for a bulky hazard stack sort of thing

otherwise i would probably have corv instead of skarm

[nocturne sable]

Okay I see I was thinking Hstack just wanted to confirm

[final relic]

im not sure on specs kyurem since your team lacks any pivots whatsoever

[nocturne sable]

Nonetheless your team has some questionable mons here. Skeledirge isn’t really the best ghost type to spin block when it can’t really come in on any of the spinners, and it just doesn’t match up with the meta that well in general.

Some mons on your team here are overlapping with others. Like special defensive treads and ting Lu on the same team is just not really necessary and both are filling similar roles as rock setters(obvious treads has spin) but point still stands, you need double rocks or treads and ting Lu on the same team on Hstack.

Your team is also very slow and lacks one of the most mandatory pieces on a Hstack team, a knock off user. Scary attackers like kyurem just come in on your team for free and claim a kill since you have nothing on your team that can remove heavy duty boots to make them take hazard chip.

Some mons here in general just don’t fit here. Skeledirge, specs kyurem etc are just odd and don’t really fit this structure that well, especially since you don’t have a reliable pivot

[chrome shale]

since the idea was to make a hazard stack with skeledirge / skarm is there a way to help especially skeledirge support the structure a little more? and also would volt switch zapdos be a good pivot on this structure? thank you for in-depth response by the way !!

[final relic]

dirge works Okay but you would want to be spdef

[chrome shale]

i will also definitely swap treads for maybe defensive tusk, maybe bulk up?

[nocturne sable]

FWIW the core of skarmory and ting Lu is pretty standard for Hstack, so you got that going for you. Hydrapple can work here if you change the sets to boots. The rest I would dump for other relevant roles on a Hstack

[final relic]

i’d agree to keep skarm / lu / hydrapple but kyurem is not the way to go in terms of breaking

try metal coat ghold

[chrome shale]

having a more reliable spin blocker would probably be a good move

even in the case where i do keep skeledirge which is preferable

[final relic]

dirge definitely needs to be standard i.e. boots / spdef

[chrome shale]

also whats the set for this typically ?

[chrome shale]

alr

[final relic]

Gholdengo @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Thunderbolt
• Make It Rain
• Recover

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would add a fast knocker like a darkrai or weavile over specs kyurem

Your team needs speed control

[chrome shale]

i havent seen tbolt ever on gholdengo, what matchups does that improve

sorry for asking so many questions ::P

[chrome shale]

i like the idea of weavile i think

[final relic]

hits birds hits waters the usual

weavile is strong on this type of build

though apple and gholdengo are already phenomenal breakers

[chrome shale]

im looking at this rn, my main issue is with what quaquash said about missing a pivot

skeledirge is the obvious choice to go

unfortunately

[final relic]

well without kyurem its not imperative to have a pivoting guy but yeah dirge is somewhat out of place

hold on

[nocturne sable]

Went I said lack of pivot, I meant for specs kyurem because it generally needs pivots to help it get in

Hstack is usually fine without the Voltturns and stuff

[chrome shale]

ohhhh okay my bad, i missed that part

[nocturne sable]

I think I would add clefable>>skeledirge to give you and extra knock absorber

Clefable can also knock off items too

[final relic]

i agree with the clef angle

[chrome shale]

that makes sense but i can see the albeit lesser utility of keeping skeledirge here as opposed to clef so i dont imagine that the original team idea is too outrageous after all

that being said ill probably make two variants

one where i get to have my fun and one where i dont :P

[chrome shale]

knock off does really suck for this team with the sole exception of hydrapple

weavile coming in would pretty much force tera 100% of the time though

oh wait nvm im not sticky hold

should i SWITCH to sticky hold

[final relic]

no

[nocturne sable]

No, regenerator is a much more consistent ability

[chrome shale]

alr

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/1eedeb9f6b010b4d

something of this nature

[chrome shale]

ill definitely save this version too

tysm

[final relic]

generally rule of thumb is have two knock off guys that beat each others checks

like clef/weavile, weavile/walking wake, etc

[chrome shale]

maybe the answer would be to keep this version and lowkey just make a normal bulky balance with skeledirge like god intended

i will prolly be doing that

thanks a lot to u two !!

[faint vortex]

Any RMT folk able to tell me if I got something here? Trying to fine-tune I've been going crazy trying to balance

[finite wind]

hello! I made this team that I felt was decent. could someone tell me if it is good enough for higher tiers of competitive? https://pokepast.es/2f0ab856d6475e57

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[finite wind]

lowkey, I dont think ceruledge be doing much. and with that stat spread, he legit has no use

should I switch for tanky crocolor to spread willowisp?

or maybe skeledirge for set up sweep?

[somber sapphire]

I think you can try to make ceru 252 hp 172 spdef 84 speed tbh

[nocturne sable]

You have to send the paste

[somber sapphire]

The BU sample does that, so you can try it

[nocturne sable]

This is definitely not a bad start, I can see this being a proper offence. However there is a few things.

-specs kyurem doesn’t fit that well on ho. If you’re using kyurem on offence you would want to run its dragon dance kyurem.

-Secondly your team is kinda too slow for an offence team. Ig you have gambit priority but that shouldn’t be your primary source of speed control. Offence teams would have Dragapult, zama, darkrai, deoxys-speed as the main source of speed control.

Lastly, what’s suppose to be your identity for your offence team? Offence teams would usually be centered around something like set up spam, aurora veil, sticky webs, or a certain wincon like LO deoxys/specs pult or whatever offence Mon you want your team centered around.

Based on the mons that you have right now, it seems your going for relatively slow set up sweepers? In that case I think this team can easily be converted to a webs based offence style

[chrome shale]

im currently working on trying to make espeon work in OU, by pretty much any means necessary, mostly because its my favorite and im still trying my best to learn more about teambuilding, so giving me pointers in regards to why something does or doesnt work is rlly appreciated

https://pokepast.es/dc82cbd6a214d41c
( essay warning )

|| im working with a specs espeon, i think this is probably the best way to give espeon some actual impact and lets it use its speed tier, i put future sight on mine to maybe help break stalls but im not necessarily sure if this is a good idea or not

one of its best qualities i think might be that great tusk gets annihilated, and you can try to read stealth rock to get a magic bounce off, hatt is obviously better at this because it has the distinct quality of not getting one-shot by attack invested headlong rush 😭
this is part of the reason that i included a lot of pivots since espeon ( and who i paired it with, darkrai ) are both very frail

addtionally after chip espeon can reliably ohko gholdengo, can attempt a speed-tie to ohko wellspring, always beats zamazenta, and can deal good damage to glowking among other things

the wellspring match up is speedtie dependant though, dragonite is an issue, kingambit is a MASSIVE issue, any set on dragapult besides pivot is an issue, samurott is an issue, kyurem is an issue, corv is an issue, i paired espeon with darkrai to help handle ogerpon, dnite, and gambit. for my pivots i put prim to help with the dragapult match up and to serve as a special wall and moltres as vice versa, and to help with the gambit and corv issues. i put corv to further help with the gambit matchup but moreso to deal with most kyurem variants and to serve as an additional wincon.
i added great tusk for removal and to give rocks to help espeon hit more damage thresholds
please lmk how this is, i usually dont teambuild like too deeply but im absolutely trying to improve :P ||

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @nocturne sable, @final relic, @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chrome shale]

im also not sure if trick has any value in specific matchups but i would imagine that it would in some particular cases

im also not sure if its worth switching tera psychic for anything else, i havent looked at if it hits any other damage thresholds with it

it could be worth swapping trick or future sight for a tera blast that covers for certain weaknesses

tera fighting, tera fairy, tera ice all seem decent

either way plz lmk if im delusional 🔥

[chrome shale]

in a pitch i reckon this would probably cripple kingambit and corv pretty significantly

[somber sapphire]

Gonna leave this for a rater in there

[chrome shale]

im fully expecting to get kind of flamed but its all part of the process ig

:p

something i might not of accounted for actually are special walls would be a pretty massive issue when my two main breakers are both special, nasty plot darkrai could probably break a few of those - i think non-calm mind blissey loses to it im not rlly sure

[nocturne sable]

I’m going to make a honest assessment about espeon, it’s simply just outclassed.

If you want to utilize magic bounce you’re better off going hatterene, and in terms of it’s movepool it’s literally has nothing different than what a deoxys-speed can do. I’m not sure how you can make espeon work in OU unfortunately

Deoxys is faster+has the same moves as espeon but with way more to its arsenal

[chrome shale]

this is something that i do concede, regardless of how it was outclasses the point was moreso to make a team where it is usable like regardless of the fact that its slot would be better filled by something different

independant of that though yes that is very very correct

[nocturne sable]

FWIW I think the idea is in the right direction, specs trick is good for mons that are especially walled by ting Lu. That way you can cripple it with traded your choice specs.

The problem is espeon is not the best Mon in general

[chrome shale]

good to know, in your opinion should future sight be kept or no - on a frail mon it would be kind of hard to get it off on any architype other then stall or like generally passive teams and using it as a tera sink might let it pull its weight a little more ( as is the case with a lot of unmons )

( at least to my knowledge )

[nocturne sable]

I’m not sure choiced mons want to use future sight. Usually it’s just 3 attacks+trick(if they have) or status moves like Twave/wisp etc

[chrome shale]

that does make sense the idea was mostly to break stall but maybe corv + darkrai are already okay enough wincons on their own

not sure

tera fighting tera blast looks good because from my experience dark types love switching in and it allows espeon to take any one of kingambits attacks and rather ohko or force tera

hamurott has also been an issue

av prim is a check but doesnt like taking even resisted attacks from it

[chrome shale]

also kills kyurem

[mint sequoia]

interesting team

however im unsure about using a mon like espeon on a balance team, have you perhaps tried psyspam

[nocturne sable]

Future sight would usually be used on a pivot Mon like glowking and paired with mons like zama, etc to prevent psychic resist like dark types and steel types from switching in. Future sight on choice mons sink momentum.

Although there is a lot more issues with your team than just the espeon, your team doesn’t really have a strong identity here. You’re mixing bulky offence mons(AV prim) with balanced mons like corviknight for example. You also have both corviknight and moltres on your team for some reason when both mons are physically defensive flying types that check the same thing, you’re just overlappping weaknesses. Your team lacks a proper special wall to handle stuff like kyurem, raging bolt, etc.

I think I would recommend studying samples to understand what mons synergies with another and what type of build certain mons belong to. FWIW darkrai+primarina is a common core that is seen on BO teams so you should pay close attention to that.

TL;DR: your team lacks synergy and I recommend checking samples.

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[chrome shale]

very good to know, do you mind elaborating on what you mean by mons that are specifically tied to an architype ( bulky offence vs. balanced etc. ) in theory they check different things so on paper it would make sense to mix them but im actively aware that i dont have the full picture

with your last footnote ill definitely be keeping prim + rai + espeon going forward

[chrome shale]

i wasnt under the impression that there are mons specifically tied to specific team styles

which could be my issue in general

[chrome shale]

psyspam is pretty awful without lele and im praying for her safe return

💔

[mint sequoia]

its singlehandedly carried by tera polt and deo being obnoxious under psy ❤️

[chrome shale]

i might have to give it a look

maybe

[chrome shale]

edits im kind of thinking is moltres and corv out as per advice and rather zapdos or glowking in, glowking would probably be checking a lot of the same things that espeons sole reason to live is on this team which would be sort of redundant so im leaning towards zapdos, i stumbled on finch's prim BO team which im kind of using as a basis for this

as for the last im not too sure

i think im also maybe kind of understanding what u mean but its kind of vague :P

it looks like a big difference on bulky offense teams opposed to balance is a lot of the sets seem to be focused on keeping momentum

on the aforementioned BO team the darkrai is running wisp instead of nasty plot

[nocturne sable]

Explaining the difference between Bulky offence and balance is tricky because the lines between them are kinda blurred, but I will try.

BO you generally want to have bulky pivots that than bring in your set up sweeper. For example this sample team here has pivots like Lando, Hatt etc to help pave way for their set up sweepers in metal coat np Ghold and dragon dance dragonite with darkrai and zamazenta as speed control(zama can act as both a defensive piece and offensive speed control due to its good attack hulk and speed) https://pokepast.es/ca445c9504649b62

or this choice band Ogerpon team https://pokepast.es/8e400c64b6aaec2d that utilizes pivots like AV prim and defensive pecharunt to get their wincon in Choice band woger+choice band weavile

For balance, I think the difference is that balance utilizes having a more sturdy defense core. I think blimax,s kyurem team is a perfect example https://pokepast.es/883fb962498fc5a6 it utilizes having a sturdy defense core in corviknight, slowking galar, ting Lu and dondozo with extra hazard control in cinderace and defog corviknight to support the wincon in choice specs kyurem.

Another examples is this Deoxys team which utilizes double phasers and boot spams to act as more of an “anti-Ho” balance team. https://pokepast.es/6feb02ec3ca8c51f

[nocturne sable]

Darkrai is versatile it can be either support or nasty plot depending on what your team needs

[chrome shale]

i see, i would imagine in this case moltres would be okay to keep and then switch out corv for a dedciated special wall instead of another defensive pivot, maybe i could lose tusk and put ting-lu on

i think im understanding a pretty good amount more

[chrome shale]

on a team focused on mostly pivots is 2 pivots enough?

or should there be a third

i should probably stop spamming the channel pretty soon

[wooden mountain]

My definition of balance vs BO is BO relies more on direct damage while balance prefers to force progress in ways like knock and hazards

[nocturne sable]

I think you’re on the right direction. Moltres, slowking-galar can definitely be a BO core. Usually two pivots is standard for BO.

And yea I think the convo can end here. You can study samples and other resources in the future.

[chrome shale]

ill continue with this idea then, any further advice ill seek on this i might do so in the overused room :P thank you so much for the help

[stable nymph]

https://pokepast.es/2e43912ab74c8e77

[somber sapphire]

Ok I’m assuming this is balance?

[faint vortex]

Ahhh, forgot to do that. my bad. here it is https://pokepast.es/ae8a660856724b62

[vital elbow]

Just got back into pokemon since like gen 6 so would appreciate some tips, currently trying out building an ursaluna bulky offense https://pokepast.es/284883f1e289bc66

Also i forgot to drop glowbro iv to 0 speed oops

What I've found is the prio is weak so i can get bulldozed by HO really quickly if the team matches well into my scarf enamorus

Getting chip is also difficult

[somber sapphire]

This team feels really kyurem weak which is a bad start

and glowking generally runs spdef over def

[vital elbow]

Hmm kyurem huh, i guess I'm kinda screwed if they just sub, and if enam ever dies i also roll over to dd

[somber sapphire]

yea kyurem is the giant issue for this team

[vital elbow]

I'm not sure how to make it a better matchup without completely revamping the team tho

[vital elbow]

I'm thinking, maybe i can give glowking psychic noise over future sight, then maybe somehow fit in hoopa U?

Idk I'm spitballing rn but I'm really finding this really difficult lmao

[faint vortex]

Your team can also have a problem with dd kyurem too

Its tough, but you may have to make some revamps to be better into kyurem in general

Also no ghost to spin block is not ideal for a hazard team like you are going for

[vital elbow]

Yea if i don't get enam in the turn they set up so they don't get double dd or if they ever hit enam I'm dedge against dd

The hazard stack is actually just secondary

The main goal of the team will always be click facade and take a life

The reason i slapped hamurott there is i needed a dark resist

That also packs prio

Idt I've been walled much even if i don't get that multiple hazard stacks, as long as ursaluna comes in safely into the wall

So i can give up on the hazard stack i think

[faint vortex]

Yeah, if that is your goal with ursa, I would suggest you go for trick room or veil

It works best on those teams

Which help limit the impact kyurem will have on your team, regardless of set

[vital elbow]

Trick room? I heard TR is kinda horrendous rn cos it's such a pain to set up

[faint vortex]

Usually, though now there's actually a pretty gnarly TR team running around on later

I will see if I can find it for you

@vital elbow found 2 actually

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/twisted-magic-unite-psychic-terrain-trick-room-offense-peak-5-2015-elo-ft-azumarill-hoopa-u-mimikyu.3762770/

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1-olt-cycle-4-qual-2091-rating-peak-aura-farm-trick-room.3770160/

[vital elbow]

Oh god it's psychic terrain TR to block prio

[faint vortex]

Yeah its crafted quite well.

Also gives hatt insane expanding force boosted by terrain and LO

Or you can go Sash hatt to set up TR and healing wish out

[vital elbow]

I'll check that team out but i still want to try making ursa bulky offense work tho

[faint vortex]

I hear ya, fair play.

I think ghold would help your original team a lot in that regard. It can spinblock, set paras for speed control, and also soft check kyurem

[final relic]

Use rillaboom + bulk up protect ursaluna

Unkillable pokemon

[vital elbow]

Pivot boom over alomomola?

Bulk up ursa is definitely something I'll try

But then don't i get hard walled by corv?

Actually nvm if it's pivot corv i 2hko with +1 facade anyway

And if it's iron defense i can't kill it without major chip regardless

And i always lose the setup race with or without fire punch unless i bring SD over bulk up

But that still leaves my team weak to kyurem

[desert citrus]

since ursaluna is slower, cant you headlong on the roosts?

just asking

[vital elbow]

My ursaluna is max speed

So it outspeeds no speed corv

That's why SD fire punch beats corv on em

SD fire punch kills 252 positive def after rocks

[vital elbow]

You can but idt I've seen a speed corv and if i don't run speed against a slow corv I'll lose to iron defense press no?

If a fast corv switches safely into a +0 atk slow ursaluna, the ursaluna would lose to ID press on a wrong guess

And i really want to avoid playing the roost/ID 50-50

Hence fast fire punch

Also being faster than gambit helps a lot

As long as i keep the bear healthy with wishes gambit can't beat fast luna in a lategame 1v1 situation

[vital elbow]

The idea is if you knocked the corv, fast ursa goes before a 0 speed investment neutral corv and can fire punch to do average almost 50% on an open gamestate with both being +0, and if they don't ID you win the 1v1 with rocks damage. If they ID you switch into a check and you're gucci.

Adamant speed ursa still goes before a no speed corv so the matchup should even be easier than jolly

It's just that jolly ursa outspeeds adamant gambit so i chose that

[gray coral]

hi im kinda new to competitive pokemon. i enjoy making teams for fun and playing in low ladder. i was wondering how i could improve this team, or at least if any of the strategies were usable. thanks
https://pokepast.es/b95fceb14d75bb2d

[regal ginkgo]

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[final relic]

these are all unusable pokemon besides raging bolt

[somber sapphire]

This team is unviable unfortunately
Do NOT post gimmick teams here brotha

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[final relic]

and the set is horrible

use samples till you figure out how to build the tier

[somber sapphire]

I linked you the samples, and please look at the viability rankings for more knowledge on the tier

[gray coral]

ok thanks

[finite wind]

The only reason I am running choice specs kyurem is because of my apparent weakness to foul play. My entire team is full of physical attacker, and I needed coverage for flying while also being a special attacker

[finite wind]

sure! I can do the sticky web combo

arqauinid mirror coat, sticky web, surf, and bug buzz?

but who should I switch?

[final relic]

dont use araq

bee is better

[finite wind]

bee???sorry, kinda new to competitive, not really sure abt shot forms

mb

[somber sapphire]

ribombee

[finite wind]

ooh, ok! thank u!

[somber sapphire]

araq's got quite big special def but it's outclassed

[final relic]

anyway make tusk booster energy and make dnite like

tera blast fairy or something

dd eq fairyblast roost or you can go rock slide to hit moltres

over roost

[finite wind]

https://pokepast.es/bd18118dadc020c9 here my team... any suggestion on who to switch?

[final relic]

u can drop kyurem

for ribombee

[finite wind]

wbt type coverage tho?

can I drop dnite instead tho?

[somber sapphire]

Generally you want ground immunity on these types of teams.
What playstyle are you going for first?

[final relic]

not unless u use dragon dance kyu

but generally dnite is better for this on webs

[finite wind]

not really sure myseld

[final relic]

hold on lemme clean this up a bit

[finite wind]

maybe bulky offensive?

but ceruledge and kyurem and manaphy are quite no tanky

[finite wind]

that would be much appreciated!

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/df833f4d780c968e

u have 5 sticky web mons and no web setter

so

[nocturne sable]

There is a decent amount of special attacking mons you can use to avoid foul play weakness.

Darkrai & gholdengo are common examples. Btw you have a manaphy you shouldn’t be getting completely ran over by foul play.

There is also a lot of better ways for offence to hit flying rather than using choiced mons. Gholdengo the afromentioned can threaten flying types pretty well.

I would recommend ribombee over araquanid for the speed tier and general utility in stun spore(para) and skill swap for hatterenes magic bounce.

For tusk I’m making it speed booster bulk up with its stab + taunt to beat corv.

Dnite is fine like others said you can adjust the dragon dance set to be some next Tera blast set like Tera fairy or something.

Manaphy is mostly standard here so it’s fine

Me personally I’m dropping bulky Ceruledge &kyurem here. Bulky ceru works better on slower pace and kyurem is overlapping here with(also general rule of thumb when running offence: never use choiced Mons)

[final relic]

that probably works best here

(albeit, webs is not the best archetype right now but you can probably still get wins with it)

[nocturne sable]

Oh it seems like I was kinda too late. It’s fine though I think the general idea is there though.

[finite wind]

thank you!!!!!

[stone sierra]

Guh

How

[final relic]

extremely consistent vs hat, tornadus, etc, + iron moth is dead in the water rn because of 500% dragonite usage among other things (heatran, hrott being good)

[faint vortex]

Built a balance team around CB Meow, also tried my hand at crafting a wacky Dnite set. Flame away! https://pokepast.es/72fa483fdc261f1d

[regal ginkgo]

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[proud stratus]

Why lum berry on electric dnite?

Not usefull against zap or anything

Fairy better

And lack of hazard control while playing this guy

[coral timber]

https://pokepast.es/eca8817bd08451c6 rate?

[tacit bluff]

3 choice users is a bit sus

You'll probably concede a bit too much momentum

Rilla also gets in the way of ting lu and treads by weakening earthquake

This team also seems really corviknight weak

Like in a vaccum these are fine but there isn't particularly strong synergy between most of these mons

For instance 5 physical attackers makes you very vulnerable to burns and lando intimidate

Yes you do have a kyurem but lando is like never staying in on kyurem anyway

And because you're choice locked you have to make a read every time you try to check lando

[coral timber]

What do u suggest in the place of rillaboom

He doesnt really do anything tbh other than be kindaaa a check to ogerpon

[tacit bluff]

Eh tbh I think you might wanna reconsider more mons than just rilla

But yeah ur fine into ogerpon already

You have a scizor which threatens it scarf kyurem and an iron defence Zamazenta

Tbh I'd consider life orb tera blast electric scizor

Completely wrecks corviknight and moltres

And then you could go like

Hmmm

I feel you rly want a special attacker

Fwiw idm band scizor either since it's a pivot and that's nice on this team

Consider going tornadus T

Boots knock off pivot

Regenerator is good too

Most lando sets can't rly do anything to it either barring a scarf stone edge or smth

Extra speed control asw

So tldr rilla for torn, and then maybe make scizor sd lorb

You could even make scizor ur own ogerpon but idt that's necessary

[coral timber]

Alright bettt thank you

I think having a ogerpon of my own would be good bc rain kinda smacks me

[tacit bluff]

Eh rain is pretty uncommon but it would be nice in case yeah

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/1bdd68640c8f45a6

feels very passive tho

@tacit bluff

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

I think this is ok actually

Yeah a tad passive tho

I fw chomp here more cause of that

[gritty lake]

nasty plot pecha maybe

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

Idk if you need av alo either

That could be a diff mon

Main issue is spikestack mirror

[gritty lake]

it is

[tacit bluff]

Alo kinda hates its life if ur going against spikes mirror

[gritty lake]

was thinking about a few special attackers that are problematic and av alo devours them all+im using chomp zama corv so its tendency to allow wellspring to come in wont be a problem

and pech ofc

[tacit bluff]

Yeah fair

Hmmmm

Was gonna say you could maybe do ghold over pech then glowking instead but honestly that's kinda eh

You want the water type

[gritty lake]

yea

tho this is pretty bolt weak actually now that im seeing

[tacit bluff]

Me

Methinks you want another special wall icl

Magic guard cm clef is an option

Not really a special wall persay

It can click knock off ig

[gritty lake]

hm

[tacit bluff]

Unaware is also not terrible but reliant on boots obviously

It also blanks setup if you really need it

[gritty lake]

ye

it doesnt help with the moth issue tho

[tacit bluff]

Ye curse of chomp over ting lu

[gritty lake]

maybe i should rethink the team

[tacit bluff]

I have an idea

You could do gholdengo clef alo

Drop corv

Clef can absorb knock off reasonably well

Hell chomp can too in a pinch because it still punishes it a lot

One issue with that is loss of a ground immunity

Tornadus might also be a shout

[gritty lake]

honestly

im thinking

rillaboom

[tacit bluff]

idk bout that one icl

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/342b01e13c4e3677

hear me out

[tacit bluff]

terrain extender without any real terrain abusers is a bit sus

I think ur chilling without it

I don't hate this tho

rest chomp is a bit weird cause its kinda passive when asleep

like its not rly a sweeper

I suppose it can live long enough to rest and burn the turns

[gritty lake]

whats a better move there

maybe protet

to go witht he gterrain

[tacit bluff]

Idm that

Uhhh honestly even a second dragon stab

Or random coverage option

[gritty lake]

pjab for hatt can be funny

[tacit bluff]

defo

sd if ur feeling insane

[gritty lake]

max hp mx speed?

[tacit bluff]

I think ur current spread is fine that can work too

Sd puts like

Way more pressure

[gritty lake]

it does

[tacit bluff]

Makes dragon tail kinda a nuisance to switch around

And you can even punish it with spikes

Idt you want speed tho

Cause ur dtail

[gritty lake]

fair

ill just do sd and keep the spread

[tacit bluff]

You can defo click sd on more passive teams who can't punish you quickly

Definitely unorthodox but I actually don't hate it here

Like it's not a wincon just a surprise option

[gritty lake]

ye

[tacit bluff]

Also stops you from being a diet ting lu by giving you genuine offensive pressure

See how it goes

This might be a gigabrain moment

Idk

Rilla can defo be band btw

Or even plot torn

But aside from that tbh

I do like this

[gritty lake]

ya thats on my mind

np torn

[tacit bluff]

Ye plot knock bleakwind another one

Maybe heat wave

Doesn't have to be knock

Since you have weav and rilla

[gritty lake]

ya

maybe like focus blast for kyurem lo

lol

[tacit bluff]

Pult as the spinblocker is a bit finnicky sometimes but tbh this team can get hazards up several times if needed

[gritty lake]

im also thinking plume tran

for sub dd roost kyu

[tacit bluff]

If you preserve rilla you can also punish tusk for trying to spin torn can ohko asw heatran can tera out of the ground weak and trap

I think magma is ok

If you hit it you can remove a more passive mon without issue

Taunt magma storm boom there goes clefable

[gritty lake]

i also think garchomp should be a diff tera maybe

[tacit bluff]

Ghost is ok

You could go steel or water

[gritty lake]

steel sounds good for another fairy resist

[tacit bluff]

Be careful of tusk tho

Since it can headlong rush on the follow up

Idk if you survive

Ice spinner into headlong

[gritty lake]

welp

maybe not then

ill try this out rn

[eager trellis]

I'm relatively new to competitive Pokémon and new to team building as well.
I made a team so I'd like a brutually honest rating on it
https://pokepast.es/cdf7bee6a45ff691

[regal ginkgo]

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[eager trellis]

@echo rampart

[nocturne sable]

This is relatively standard so it’s not bad.

Maybe I would make a few adjustments for the following mons.

-Low kick gambit to help you pressure opposing dark types like ting Lu & darkrai better

-Make valiant special calm mind with thunderbolt because you really need special attackers to pressure the likes of corviknight.

-also suggest fire punch encore dnite for the same reason of pressuring corviknight. Dd Tera electric is also a thing too fwiw.

-you can also add one of the kanto birds over corv but I imagine you want to keep the extra hazard control

[eager trellis]

oo alr, ty

what move should I replace to put low kick on gambit?

[limber spear]

u would drop iron head

[eager trellis]

o

alr

my Valiant knows calm mind, moon blast, shadow ball and thunder bolt. Should I drop shadow ball for Encore?

or keep it

[nocturne sable]

Yea dropping encore is fine calm mind 3 attacks is standard

[eager trellis]

alr

ty

[stray osprey]

I’m new to single battles and just made a team can I have a review of it https://pokepast.es/931fddd3f5a1c2e2

I’m mainly unsure abt how many EVs I should invest in glowking’s spatk

[limber spear]

so uh roostless corv isnt worth it+scarf crown is pretty eh+woger check 😭esp with grass moves)

[stray osprey]

So what move drop for roost

[limber spear]

normally can go defog+roost+idbp/uturn with bb or bp( bascially uturn and id and bp u chose 2 but id is recommanded to be paired with bp

[nocturne sable]

This team has some interesting ideas in sitrus berry rotom wash and the Dragapult set, unfortunately I’m not sure if the synergy is there.

Roost on corviknight is almost always mandatory since it needs that recovery to reliably check the physical threats it switches on.

And talking about your team synergy, you have 3 ground immune in rotom wash, landorus and corviknight. IMO those 3 mons kinda enable different play styles so you want to make sure you know what direction you want to take your team in. Do you want a more balanced team or a more offensive team like a bulky offence or something.

Lastly, I’m not sure what scarf iron crown is doing here, it just seems pretty random and doesn’t do much for your team.

Side note: I’m interested did you put any thoughts on the EVs you gave your Pokemon? They look kinda detailed but I’m not sure if it’s intentional or not?

[stray osprey]

Only in wash rly

And I used dmg calc on lando

For its ark ev

Atk

[limber spear]

(the speed on lando is 293 only)

i think u want to be faster than tusk/dengo

[nocturne sable]

What was it suppose to do

[stray osprey]

I forgot I think it was for picking off things with u turn

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic

If you’re really new to singles and want to play SV OU you can check out the metagame resources. It contains sample teams, set analysis, viability, role compressions, etc

[regal ginkgo]

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[stray osprey]

I mean I played doubles but have no clue how singles teams work

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/4a8bde0980795e3d i think i got de javu when making this team cuz i think i had one with like the same mons but i cant find the team so here i am

[nocturne sable]

If you been played competitive Pokemon the transition shouldn’t be as hard once you get a decent understanding of it

[stray osprey]

Ok I’ll try to play I bit more

I usually run trick room in doubles but it’s way harder to execute in singles

[nocturne sable]

Trick room is indeed harder to play in singles. But as someone that has been playing trick room in singles it’s definitely doable

[limber spear]

thinking of spdef moltres here for kyurem but steel type is pretty valuable

[nocturne sable]

Especially with mons like Ursaluna, iron hands, etc all perfect abusers for trick room