SV OU Rates

[hollow perch]

This is probably bad but sure. Anything can go except salazzle.
https://pokepast.es/45f0e7d15a556304

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Well, Salazzle just doesn’t really work here, you’re running it as a suicide lead on a super bulky team. The teams synergy in general is also just not there.

Unfortunately I don’t think using Salazzle as a set up cleaner/wallbreaker works since it’s just not fast enough and loses to common dragon types like Dragapult, dragonite. It also just struggles into fatty special walls like glowking ting Lu.

I don’t recommend using salazzle as it’s not that good of a Mon in general. Although it is interesting to experiment with corrosion in theory. Maybe it can work on a status spam team with proper hazard control or boots spam.

On to the rest of your team. Your teams defense core is pretty easy to exploit as you don’t really have a proper ghost resist. It’s also really slow and super passive outside of ogepon wellspring which get chipped very easily. You also have no way to pressure steel types so you lose to the likes of gholdengo, iron crown, etc.

I think you need to identify what style you want to build first before putting mons together

[hollow perch]

It's supposed to be a balance with salazzle as a wincon

[nocturne sable]

I mean it’s not really a good wincon

[carmine oak]

its oblivious

[nocturne sable]

I know that. My message still applies..

[elder knoll]

I tried building chomp and meow

https://pokepast.es/0e79671ca3e2d0a7

[regal ginkgo]

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[elder knoll]

I ran into issues with Meoe being the only Water and Ghost resist

Which is fake af

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @low aspen, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[magic dome]

i was thinking of slotting darkrai over zama here and making tusk booster speed bulk up

it gives you a ghost resist + makes the pech mu a little easier

[elder knoll]

🤔 I’ll try it

[fresh marten]

https://pokepast.es/1a72323f73d4ca08
i tried to get OHKOs or hard counters on as many metagame threats as possible
how did i do

[elder knoll]

Woger eats you

[somber sapphire]

Ok i'm assuming this is balance

[fresh marten]

i tried to build against it but there's nothing I can do
iron valiant is my best answer

[fresh marten]

yeah

[somber sapphire]

Dondozo does not fit on your team as it only really fits on stall

and you don't have a ghost resist so probably slot rai over glowking

[carmine oak]

im just saying

[drifting parcel]

Could anyone help me with this bulky offensive team

https://pokepast.es/4569a81a7c1ab1db

[regal ginkgo]

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[trail whale]

This looks like an Offense with a weird Bolt set and Geezing on it for some reason

[drifting parcel]

Yeah I kinda struggled with my last members

[trail whale]

Id look into some speed control like Iron Moth
and probably do Grassy Seed Hatt > Prim if you want to keep strong hazard control

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/fd401ca1284c4869 the third time with prima and apple as breaking core 😭

i think could lower prima speed by a bit cuz speed creep isn’t that crazy but idk

[trail whale]

This team looks strong, you have the tools to take on a multitude of match ups
Id look into AoA Zamazenta for more consistently revenge killing & using ID Corv replacing Defog though, team isnt running smth like Kyurem to demand this level of hazard control.

[limber spear]

what’s aoa zama?is that boots 4a zama

anyways thanks for the help

[stone sierra]

Wacky coincidence but this is exactly 1 mon off of my prim Apple team

https://pokepast.es/eaf0fcec72514392

[limber spear]

😭i think i saw your team before

lovely(?)coincidence(tbh the core is kinda strong)

[stone sierra]

Prolly mixing it up with one of my 4 trillion hydrapple teams

Mon is just so good

[limber spear]

best woger check

tbh i kinda cha more but apple is better overall

anyways we off topic

[clever berry]

https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-trans-rights-pokemon-transgender-trans-flag-gif-4537566042807185706

[gritty lake]

Amoongus (they/them)

[trail whale]

sorry missed this, yeah

[tacit bluff]

Vileplume is arguably better but worse in every other way

So yeah glory to amoongus

[regal ginkgo]

Vileplume (Gen 9)

Typing

Grass / Poison

Abilities

0: Chlorophyll | H: Effect Spore

Base Stats (BST: 490)

75 / 80 / 85 / 110 / 90 / 50

Weight

18.6 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

Amoonguss (Gen 9)

Typing

Grass / Poison

Abilities

0: Effect Spore | H: Regenerator

Base Stats (BST: 464)

114 / 85 / 70 / 85 / 80 / 30

Weight

10.5 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[clever berry]

How is it better?

When Amoonguss has better bulk

[tacit bluff]

Strength sap

[clever berry]

Ah

Yeah, that move is broken

[tacit bluff]

But also vileplume is arguably not viable

[clever berry]

Thank god a proper mon doesn't learn that

[tacit bluff]

Wheras amoongus is albeit niche

[clever berry]

Still fell off hard after sleep ban
It's only niche is on stall to counter Ogerpon-W and fighting types like Valiant in 1 slot

Doesn't do much except Toxic

[tacit bluff]

Ye

No spore and it's floundering about

[clever berry]

Fairies like Enamorus and Prim too

[tacit bluff]

That was it's best tool by a mile

[clever berry]

Tbh, checking all of them in 1 slot is great role compression

But being a do nothing mon means you only work on stall

By this logic, I think Mega Venusaur would have loved to be here

Atleast it has a proper Special Attack stat

Plus thick fat

Counters Weavile too ironically

[glad wind]

https://pokepast.es/f9fe54b6b901b3da

[regal ginkgo]

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[clever berry]

Moth is out of place

[trail whale]

Energy Ball is quite useless, Waterpon and primarina get nuked by Sludge Wave and youre hitting Ting-Lu / Great Tusk with Dazzling Gleam already. You should use Substitute

Boots Hex Pult demands far bulkier of a playstyle to get the most out of crippling its checks and spamming U-turn, first thing that comes to mind while keeping the mons is using the Choice Specs set here and then doing Landorus-T > Great Tusk, you need a ground immunity, and your sweepers would appreciate a secondary pivot.

Consider making Kingambit Balloon to ease the whole ground immunity thing and offer a better backbone into Kyurem

[regal ginkgo]

Ogerpon (Gen 9)

Typing

Grass

Abilities

0: Defiant

Base Stats (BST: 550)

80 / 120 / 84 / 60 / 96 / 110

Weight

39.8 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

Female Only

[vapid holly]

https://pokepast.es/813ac9b162eb50cd i only know gen 1 mons and i know not much about competitive but i tried

[gritty lake]

Well ur not forced to try

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[vapid holly]

thought i would do for fun

just made a simple team for pokemon showdown

i dont really know too much about the franchise lol i barely know my types

[barren ridge]

By using a sample team you can start playing and gaining that knowledge. It’s very difficult to build without knowing how to play or what you’ll encounter in the format you’re playing

While your team does contain solid mons like Dragapult and GKing you’d be looking at scrapping pretty much everything there if it were to be optimised

Better to grab a sample

Also of note trick room is not very good in singles formats unless it’s the abuser setting it up for itself like Stakataka or Reuniclus in prior gens. There’s just not enough time to abuse it. I would avoid that as an archetype especially since you’re new

[gritty lake]

:(

[somber sapphire]

It's better to understand what types of team are used by looking at samples

a good youtuber to learn from is pinkacross

[proven oyster]

https://pokepast.es/93f1ea216d5c42b6

I tried making a more defense oriented team but deoxys Def isn't working well, I'm thinking of replacing it with one of the donphan paradoxes but idk which one

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden mountain]

I think grimmsnarl is a waste on balance

[proven oyster]

I'm trying a more defensive team and grim has proven to be effective

[wooden mountain]

Thing is screens are suited for offense

Your team looks like a really weird HO in my opinion

[proven oyster]

Ho?

Oh hyper offense

[wooden mountain]

A lot of ur team have set up moves

[proven oyster]

Yeah I did notice that, I love setup moves

Who should I replace then

[wooden mountain]

It’s really awkward to make a defensive team with no hazards

Unless ur playing smth like cinder fat

[wooden mountain]

Also deoxys d is unviable

Yea

You could try something like

Gliscor/Garganacl/Kingambit/Zamazenta/Galarian Slowking/Gholdengo

Run heavy duty boots on everyone except Gliscor and Garganacl, and change Gliscor to spikes and Garganacl to stealth rock + protect

[wooden mountain]

And run swords dance kingambit over taunt and AoA zama (IronPress can’t fit boots)

If u wanna build defensive teams u can refer and try sample like this https://pokepast.es/6feb02ec3ca8c51f

[proven oyster]

AoA?

[wooden mountain]

All out attacker

[proven oyster]

Ok

What moves do I replace on garg and glis for the ones you suggested

And do I put boots on gambit too?

[wooden mountain]

Run salt cure/protect/recover/stealth rock on garg

Gliscor: You run Spikes/Knock/Toxic/Protect

Toxic can be replaced with U-turn or earthquake if u want on Gliscor

[wooden mountain]

Yea

[proven oyster]

Ok

Do I run this zam?

Or a different set

Because there's no sample set called all out attack

[wooden mountain]

Boots attacker

[proven oyster]

https://pokepast.es/dfbd5e6f91341b78

Is this better

[wooden mountain]

Yes

[proven oyster]

I'll try it out when I get the chance, thanks!

[timid granite]

https://pokepast.es/0452c9c484879e5c be honest how bad actually is my team comp

[regal ginkgo]

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[timid granite]

Gambit has been such a problem for this team if I accidentally misplay my hydrapple

[tacit bluff]

Hrmmm

Idl harc tbhhhh

[trail whale]

what team style are you going for?

[tacit bluff]

Double intim yeah yeah but it's a kinda whatever mon

[timid granite]

He’s not Intim he’s rock head head smash

[trail whale]

intim
vgc brainrot

[timid granite]

Uh slightly heavier offence

I guess my lando is counter intuitive for heavy offence though isn’t he

[trail whale]

actually the more I rate this the more I realise how little I know about harc
another rater should do this

[tacit bluff]

Just clocked that mb

Lololol

[timid granite]

Head smash my beloved

[dreamy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/5c34930edc81c13c my attempt at a rain team what can i imrpove?

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/6ee9079f0f1aa596 can someone help my meow team?

[balmy maple]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[obtuse harness]

You don't need so many boots especially because you have great tusk spin

And I think ddarts is a physical move so why are you putting it on special pult

Run a physical pult with band or smth

[unreal sorrel]

i don’t wanna use draco, also who would u reccomend without boots

[unreal sorrel]

was gonna use specs

[obtuse harness]

Probs meow

And pult

They don't need em

Because you've also got defog

[unreal sorrel]

well the main set said i should use it, do i run scarf or band?

[obtuse harness]

Either or

I personally like the DMG but the scarf is strong

[balmy maple]

are most teams sent in here for doubles?

[hot dome]

No

All of them are for singles

[worn lark]

ik sun is one of the least complex archetypes to build, but any thoughts?
Problems:

• Really weak to fairy
• No switch into kyurem
• Weak to ground
• Has a bit of difficulty breaking stall

built it around hisuian arcanine https://pokepast.es/3cefff9d0f65ad83

[regal ginkgo]

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[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

Generally tork wants wisp

And lava plume over eruption

Ur not rly gonna be at full health a lot

Incredibly slow and rocks weak too

And also sd on lilligant

Lacks a lot of breaking power otherwise

And tbh idl harc

I get thats what the team was built around but I think slither wing does the job better

Ground should honestly not be too big of a problem

Fairy is defo the bigger one

I think you want ceruledge to help you out there

Maybe over lilligant

[trail whale]

is Specs Bolt really worth on sun

over like LO + Weather Ball / Solar Beam

[tacit bluff]

Bolt is a bit awkward

It doesn't rly do anything

Idk who to replace it with

[elder knoll]

Double specs is def not worth it

Bolt is generally used if you’re not using wake as the primary breaker

https://pokepast.es/1dbfebbc7a38115b

Like on this sample

or this one

https://pokepast.es/78c30840a77446df

[wooden mountain]

Kilowattrel is not viable, use raging bolt instead

[wooden mountain]

Replace samurott with Overqwil

Overqwil is nice for rain bcuz it is good vs rilla and woger

[dreamy grotto]

alright thanks

[jaunty granite]

Darts is the standard on that set

Granted it usually runs a bit more attack for samu but yea

[dreamy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/3e19f6f4dcb11337 hey i made a sun team could u also take a look at that?

[tacit bluff]

Drop corviknight, sun is very geared towards offence and corv slows the pace of the team down and doesn't abuse sun well, drop it for great tusk

Hurricane on walking wake is bad, it's 50% accurate in the sun and it doesn't hit anything relevant tbh I'd make it specs and put flip turn

Bolt is fine but tbh I think you'd want a mon not weak to fairy like ceruledge here also gives you a spinblocker to keep up rocks ig

Aside from those things this looks fine

Oh btw you can potentially put another mon over tusk since you have hatterene and tork itself to help with hazards, venusaur is an option

[spiral wedge]

Corv has been used as a pivot on sun for opposing great tusks/gambit, it's not bad, maybe make it eject as well? Also make wake draco > dpulse for kills & flip > hurricane, hurricane hits nothing for u & is 50% in sun. Also ur really, really weak to bolt rn, bulky av tusk that speed creeps max speed modest bolt > slither imo

[steel arrow]

guys can i have help to finish my rain team? The intent of my making this team is a wish passing mola with floatzel breaking core, tera steel mola because specs freeze dry. Im open to set changes but floatzel mola is something i want to stay.
https://pokepast.es/82f99b4f7bacd22d

[regal ginkgo]

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[jaunty granite]

RMT is for complete teams only sorry to say

[steel arrow]

oh

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/2a876d88bf4b9d97 Dragonite offense

I’m questioning Gholdengo’s place on this team

It’s supposed to be a strong wallbreaker, but I already have taunt Ogerpon + Scizor for that

Unless it’s the set that’s the problem, and maybe changing it up would help me

Since the set was specifically designed to lure in bulky special walls like Primarina or Ting Lu

[dreamy grotto]

Corv was there to patch up the shared weaknesses that my team has but maybe im thinking too defensively?

Im probably going to replace slither for tusk though

I want to slot in ceruledge for something as well but not sure what

[dreamy grotto]

Whats the evs for the tusk?

[worn lark]

k thanks for the help /gen

[spiral wedge]

Id probably go max attack, Jolly with enough speed to hit 250 & rest in hp

If you want you can calc & see if u need to drop attack for extra bulk for certain rolls

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/5b586b91a82acac6

it has been a while since i touched OU man…

[regal ginkgo]

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[clever rover]

Regular BP zama feels soooo passive into everything

This set feels more like something I play

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/08f4f4d3d7e9a4ec Ultra Greedy kingambit bulky offense

hey, if ya can't beat em, join em

[stone sierra]

This team is really slow

And your slowking cannot touch ghold

If a ghold switches in on your gweeze something is gonna take a lot of damage

[stone sierra]

No ground

[worn lark]

Do i really need it though? I have an AV bolt and one electric weakness

[wooden linden]

Yes

Youre free volt switch fodder

Specs bolt and zapdos will pivot over and over again until youre chipped enough to win

Eject hatt is pretty uneeded so just make it av

https://pokepast.es/0f73eae0ca8ac5b7
Smth like this will work much better here

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/f058fa8fec1e1d3f
I revised your team up a little to include sturdier checks to ghold as well as strong speed control

[elder knoll]

band Zama makes more sense that lorb

cause the team sticks around longer

[dreamy grotto]

https://pokepast.es/1aeaa82f9b6c6406 any thoughts on this sun team? i shuffled it around to beat bolt but im really weak to wake

Not sure if its a team issue or a me issue

[worn lark]

dont use fully defensive pokemon unless you have a very good reason

You gotta make the most of your sun turns

[worn lark]

k thanks

[dreamy grotto]

Its for gambit

[worn lark]

You already have tusk

And if thats not enough replace venasaur for hisuian liligant

I prefer it because solar blade and cc are simply stronger than sludge bomb and giga drain

[worn lark]

Also

Dont use flame thrower on wake, use weather ball

And dont make cereludge tera fighting if you dont have cc imo

I like headlong rush better on tusk

And maybe trade temper flare or ice spinner for knock

[stone sierra]

I don’t know shit about rating but tusk runs temper flare in sun for corv
Also you glossed over the fact that it’s av

[stone sierra]

Just use the old ctc sun team

If you want ceru

There’s also a couple sun samples

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[worn lark]

Ohh shit yeah i didnt see that

Mb

Its 1 am

[dreamy grotto]

I honestly just use corv to resist a bunch of stuff(poison, psychic, dragon, grass, ground, etc)

but is that thinking too defensively

[dreamy grotto]

I just want something that can deal with wake better tbh

[nocturne sable]

AV tusk has been seeing usage especially during Olt season

It’s not that fake of a set

[dreamy grotto]

its for bolt and other threats

[trail whale]

Id add a Raging Bolt of your own in Venusaur's place to better help with Wake

also Hatterene would be much better than Corviknight if you wanted hazard removal, Corv kinda just kills your momentum whenever it comes out which you want to avoid as a sun team

I dont like the Ceru set, Solar Blade is way too specific and Shadow Sneak as only ghost STAB on weak armor sash seems wrong, I'd just copy one of the existing ones

[dreamy grotto]

how would bolt help with wake over venusaur?

[trail whale]

Thunderclap can act as a good revenge kill option, always kills after two rounds of rocks.
252+ SpA Life Orb Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 259-305 (75.7 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dreamy grotto]

oh life orb i didnt think of that

alright

[dreamy grotto]

about the corv situation should i just not be as worried about being defensive? ive been told to stop using corv a lot

[trail whale]

On sun yes, you want to maintain as much momentum as you can while Corv fits better on bulkier structures that can make up for losing momentum

[dreamy grotto]

ah alright

should i worry about not having grass coverage?

[trail whale]

not really, Bolt hits waters and you arent struggling into grounds

Raging Bolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Weather Ball
• Solar Beam
• Thunderclap

[clever rover]

Tysm!

[dreamy grotto]

alright thanks for the help agian

[dreamy grotto]

actually one more question, should wake have a more defensive tera or should it stick to tera water?

[trail whale]

water is fine

[dreamy grotto]

alright

[dreamy grotto]

ive decided to swap back to venusar as a way of dealing with fairy types is that fine?

[trail whale]

what were you struggling with?

[dreamy grotto]

tera fairy and alolan ninetales

[trail whale]

I can't imagine Venusaur will help much with it, Use Ceruledge and Torkoal

I'm not sure what Tera Fairy threats you're struggling with though

[dreamy grotto]

i dont remember exactly but i do remember bolt and garg

[trail whale]

Tera Fairy Bolt sounds tough that's fair!
I'd definitely take inspiration from the sun samples

[dreamy grotto]

oh yea i was looking through the samples

is there any chance that i could possibly run solar blade on ceruledge

[trail whale]

I don't think it's worth it, Poltergeist, CC, Tera Blast Fairy provide a lot more for you

[dreamy grotto]

oh tera blast fairy

noted

thats just supposed to hit zama and such right?

[elder knoll]

Why not just use

bolt/wake/venu

[dreamy grotto]

ive never done that before so sure

ill try it

ghost coverage didnt do much for me anyways

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/47735b8b706f45ee 🕸️

[regal ginkgo]

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[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/b0fe417a324aa5cd

wanna keep the triple dragon core tbh

i think it could be fun

but then i think sciz is required and that restricts my teambuilding

[steel arrow]

https://pokepast.es/583bb0b81039970c
Wish passing mola rain

[wooden mountain]

You need a woger answer

Floatzel and Crawdaunt are also hard to justify on an OU team in my opinion

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/7df2362a447d54cd - Put this regen pivot core together really quickly. bulk up tusk and stealth rocker gambit were the two pokemon I wanted to try something new with.

[final relic]

floatzel crawdaunt like the other person said are doing nothing here that you cant get out of other mons

basculegion is definitely way better here

rain is kinda shit all things considered and mola doesn’t really help you at all

scizors set is horrible as well, you probably wanna drop it for iron treads which can put up rocks and is generally more functional than what youre trying to do here

[robust dome]

what is this Mr.Craw slander

[jaunty granite]

https://pokepast.es/3b568944653e53c3

this team feels like ass but I wanna try to keep the idea of it

[robust dome]

Mystic water on craw sounds really good. No drawbacks 1.2x on aqua jet and crabhammer.

[jaunty granite]

sun is basically a solved playstyle ik

[hot dome]

What’s the idea of this? Because corv just doesn’t fit on sun, and offensive Cinderace is incredibly hard to fit on

[jaunty granite]

I wanted to use an offensive ace and clicking banded pyro in the sun sounded fun

esp with tera

corv was honestly a throwaway

ok well it's not entirely throwaway tbh bc I wanted ground immune

and didn't wanna stack grounds w like lando or something

[hot dome]

I’m ngl I don’t see a very clean solution of keeping Ace, Fire STAB isn’t great especially with the prevelance of Tera fire/water/dragons, and its speed tier isn’t the best and doesn’t exactly have the power to back it up

A surface fix you could make is just hatt over corv

[jaunty granite]

I was considering a hatt yea

[hot dome]

You don’t need a ground immune you have slither he’s good enough

[jaunty granite]

ik one of the sample suns also has balloon hatt

that's the one i got the slither from

[hot dome]

Hatt is good in general on sun as a stop gap against dragons + healing wish + eject button sometimes

[jaunty granite]

would I swap hwish off of the tales then?

[hot dome]

Your speed control is really bad here I would run wake over bolt

[jaunty granite]

or switch it altogether for tork

[hot dome]

Nah keep hwish it’s fine you can have two

Actually instead of wake run venusaur

You need a water breaker

[jaunty granite]

yea that was the main impetus for bolt

dealing w waters

[hot dome]

I would consider changing slither for an offensive attacker like bolt or wake

Swap hjk for sucker on ace you’re just asking to die to Pult

[jaunty granite]

what do about grounds then

if no corv or slither

[hot dome]

Check with tusk/air balloon hatt

The issue with ace is that it takes a necessary slot for other mons so you’re going to have to accept a subpar sub team

[jaunty granite]

ok so the hatt would be balloon then

[hot dome]

You could try to force eject button and just rely on tusk/out offensing the grounds

But it’s risky

[jaunty granite]

honestly maybe I just scrap the sun idea and run banded ace on smth else instead

I'm not good at HO anyway lol

[hot dome]

Up to you

[jaunty granite]

I had considered SD ace at one point too

but idk what it would set up on

mayb on veil or something

[hot dome]

Iirc SD Ace has been on webs before

[jaunty granite]

I hate webs

[elder knoll]

A friend of mine made a band ace sun a while ago that was successful on ladder

I’ll see if I can pull it up for you

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/e805f3e43ad4e4f7

this team is fairly old atp

[jaunty granite]

LO tusk

[stone sierra]

wtf Aldrich jumpscare

[trail whale]

well sr gambit is quite bad, a large part of its character is the ability to clean up games with SD. Trying to swap the roles of Gambit and Tusk wont work very well because Tusk needs multiple turns to properly sweep (hence you most commonly see Booster Atk Rapid Spin or Booster Speed Bulk Up), and has to worry about spinning for your hazard weak breakers.

Id make them run more realistic sets but you also have a variety of issues with the team as a whole, on top of having double rocks weak breakers, you lack effective speed control or any way to handle Focus Blast Darkrai, even Will O Wisp Darkrai can break through with how many free turns it can find. Opposing Tera Fairy Dnite and Tera Fairy Gambit also just kind of 6-0 and force you to fish for scald burns.

Id scrap this and look for a sample unfortunately

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/3b7cce4cd44fea3f feel like this is me building a team like before(slapping a bunch of random stuffs)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

This is fine

[limber spear]

[tacit bluff]

Kyurem feels kinda scary

[limber spear]

🤔

i can tera

that seems to be the best option

[tacit bluff]

And I usually don't love the only spinblocker being dragapult

[limber spear]

i dont rlly know what style to chose

hazard stack or balance/bo

[tacit bluff]

This defo feels a bit more like balance

The team is very dependent on Kingambit for damage rn

[limber spear]

i could run funny stuff like av tusk+sr gliscor

i thought prima was a good progress maker with whrilpool

[tacit bluff]

Whirlpool is kinda mid icl

[limber spear]

cuz stall looks tough

[tacit bluff]

Can miss and it's only rly good against very passive things

[limber spear]

idm losing flip turn tbh

the team has enough momentum(could even go for uturn>spikes on scor)

does av tusk work here

[tacit bluff]

You could drop spikes ig but then lowk I don't see too much need for scor

In that case

You could go one of the birds instead

[limber spear]

its like i just need a physically defensive flyer

yeah

could go zapdos

oh right

it was there for knock absorb

so corv?

should i run defog on corv or run idbp+turn

[tacit bluff]

I think corv is good

Better into kyurem

[limber spear]

ic

[tacit bluff]

Barring tera blast fire sets

Or tera blast electric

Also conserves momentum

Well it can do with U turn

Or it could be ur blanket physical check with iron defence

[limber spear]

sounds pretty good

( i am still thinking when i should be thanking u)

[tacit bluff]

Dw about it lmao

[limber spear]

still gotta thank 🙁

[tacit bluff]

I think I prefer iron press here icl

[limber spear]

should i run negative speed

on corv*

[tacit bluff]

Cause it can make more progress and be genuinely kinda threatening in it's own right

For slow pivot?

Not a bad idea

[limber spear]

i was thinking about mirror mus

[tacit bluff]

Oh yeah btw just clocked this but bulky Kingambit usually runs slightly different evs

[limber spear]

what do they run?

cuz like i rlly like black glasses variations

[tacit bluff]

Usually it's 44 speed

But it's not the most relevant speed tier anymore

It allows you to outrun blissey

[limber spear]

when will i face blissey tho

[tacit bluff]

Stall

If ur worried about that

[limber spear]

they prolly would switch but sure

[tacit bluff]

I mean up to you

Max hp is fine

[limber spear]

its just a few hp

i can change to 44 speed

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

Test that out

See if there's any particularly bad matchups

Idt there should be

[limber spear]

tysm for the help

[robust dome]

Yeah. It's too unconventional. I eventually replaced alo with AV corv. That seemed to fix many of the issues, But still am forced to run SR on gambit. I figured its not too bad since we have alot of offensive pressure with specs kyurem and band dnite. Not to mention tusk, Which can come in whenever without burning booster energy.

[limber spear]

ion think av corv is smth good to use

u lose defog/id/roost

[tacit bluff]

Don't run av corv

Losing access to recovery makes it so much worse at it's job

[robust dome]

Yeah Ik what ur talking abt, theres a huge opportunity cost. but it fits really well on the team, Walls most special attackers, like darkrai, Iron crown, Valiant. you can hard switch into them and then slow uturn out. I get that its not optimal generally but in this specific team it fits really well IMO.

[limber spear]

there should be smth else to wall them in your team(it isnt corv's job)

[tacit bluff]

Who do you wanna drop for corv

Btw

[robust dome]

I dropped alo for corv

[tacit bluff]

Ah

Use torn

If you want av

[robust dome]

I was just dead to darkrai before

[tacit bluff]

And then change tusks set to sr rapid spin

[robust dome]

Completely swept my team. So I wanted to try smth different ykwim?

[tacit bluff]

And you can make Kingambit an attacker in it's stead

Then ur good

[robust dome]

Fair enough.

[tacit bluff]

Tornadus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 4 SpD / 168 Spe
Tera Type: Electric
Timid Nature

• Bleakwind Storm
• Knock Off
• Focus Blast
• U-turn

[robust dome]

Yeah I got it on smogon

[tacit bluff]

Regen pivot so you keep that thing going

[robust dome]

Oh DAMN.

I did not think about this

It walls everything corv did before.

[tacit bluff]

Albeit I'm realising

You don't have a physical wall

[robust dome]

Imma keep both the versions of the team, since that one was funny ash

[robust dome]

Yeah kinda dropped alo so I've gotta rely on multiscale, kingambit and tusk

[limber spear]

isnt av alo smth real 🙁

[robust dome]

They dont 'wall' but they can take 1 or 2 hits I guess

[tacit bluff]

It is but operates a diff way

[robust dome]

Uhh... same opportunity cost with loosing wish

[tacit bluff]

Not a bad set tho

[robust dome]

isnt that one binding band or something?

[limber spear]

[tacit bluff]

Nah av is an anti offence set

Runs mirror coat

[robust dome]

Ah yes that one.

[tacit bluff]

So if you get chunked by a draco meteor or smth you blow them up

Honestly av alo is good here too

Better as a physical wall

[robust dome]

Then we loose some offensive power no?

I feel, Tusk and gambit are strong enough defensively. Not mention multiscale dnite

[tacit bluff]

Hrmmm

I think ur offence is fine

Oh one thing that stood out to me is you don't have speed control

[robust dome]

Maybe not directly ur right. I do have sucker punch and e speed tho

and rapid spin too

[tacit bluff]

Probably not enough

Team is just super slow

[manic pivot]

https://pokepast.es/f66aac0d0d78dff6 messing around with Eelektross; without taking it off the team or changing tiers, anything i should do with this?

[somber sapphire]

Where is your electric coverage???

[manic pivot]

supercell slam?

@somber sapphire

[somber sapphire]

I was talking about what your counter for electric types are

You don’t have a ground type

[manic pivot]

welp

hence why i'm here

team needs work

[manic pivot]

i had gliscor in 1 version (facade set); gets walled by ground immune ghosts

[limber spear]

there is facade+knock

its facade/knock/eq u pick 2

tbh if u throw away corv and make lead hsam u can try to make it a ho

[manic pivot]

how much knock redundency do i need tho? (eel & val)

[limber spear]

1 is enough

u arent rlly h stack(and 1 is still ok for them)

[manic pivot]

prob better on ival; eel gets throat chop for dark and gets other coverage

[limber spear]

low kick val 😭

run cc

[manic pivot]

it started as a hazard stack team since that's what archetype i was into when i started building this particular team

[limber spear]

pult isnt a good spin blocker+u dont have rocks+its defog

u can go pech as spin blocker and pivot or dengo for more offensive approach

[manic pivot]

not trying to make it hazard stack. i just like h-sam

[limber spear]

🤔

also pult set is 🥀

if its dd u can go tera ghost tb>willo and uturn>sucker

[manic pivot]

eff it; if i were to build a hazard stack core around the eel, what would that look like?

[limber spear]

theres offensive or fat hstack

[manic pivot]

difference? (just asking)

[limber spear]

offensive one is like u use it with strong attackers as a way to bost dmg and fat is like u rely more on hazard as a form of chip/dmg

[manic pivot]

like the pinkacross sample i've been using? https://pokepast.es/0082b3a6628c2518

[limber spear]

it uses hazard offensively i think

more of a balance tbh

defo not fat

[manic pivot]

meant as an offense example

[manic pivot]

i'd prefer offense, but considering the mon i'm forcing myself to use, whichever works better

[nocturne sable]

Hatt can run air balloon too on Sun teams iirc.

[trail whale]

Eellektross sucks and will not work in OU.

[manic pivot]

damn, my bad, sry for wanting to have a little fun & trying. i'll come back with a cookie-cutter team next time.

[trail whale]

you can have fun, but this channel is strictly for helping optimise teams for a competitive setting

feel free to use Eelektross, but this is not the channel for it

[alpine furnace]

Kinda just slapped mons together with the idea of using a glowking, prim, tusk defensive core. How is it?

https://pokepast.es/48b52480064005d5

[regal ginkgo]

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[timid flume]

https://pokepast.es/f45111d3e3964d5e been having some good games with this team. i do want some feelback on it however-

[jaunty granite]

Wyd when your opponent clicks shadow ball

[fickle moth]

Little electric terrain team https://pokepast.es/f98b9105d33bf6bd

[somber sapphire]

No ghost resistance definitely hurts you

[nocturne sable]

This is almost like those corvkingace kyurem balance teams but for some reason cinderace is banded kyurem is scarf and there’s primarina and tusk in there.

I think for more consistency you should just make cinderace offensive pivot with court change sucker punch then make Kyurem substitute protect or specs either works. Then add ting Lu over tusk for a proper ghost resist. Last slot is flexable I think prima could be fine but an additional breaker like woger, bolt can work too.

[nocturne sable]

Eterrain is definitely interesting, I have tested it in olt and had mixed success. Definitely a lot of matches where it’s winnable with but it’s also difficult to use due to it being super niche.

For what it’s worth I don’t think Slowking and great tusk are worth it on niche structures like this. I might see a rotom wash working here but another water you can experiment with here is primarina. I have experimented with it on eterrain personally and it helped my team a lot. For tusk’s slot I think I rather have iron treads here as it prevents you from getting obliterated by raging bolt and actually benefits from having E terrain up by getting the speed boost.

About iron jugulus I don’t think it’s a good Mon and it’s not worth using in general. But Fwiw the best way to use it is using like a taunt set to disturb defensive mons like ting Lu that will probably be switching in on it. I would probably run lefties on it too imo.

For iron hands I would rather run supercell slam for the extra damage than thunder punch but I understand if you don’t want to risk the 50% health loss from a miss.

Iron valiant is the main mon you want to abuse here. It’s very flexable you can experiment with specs, etc. I would recommend running Tera electric thunderbolt since I think it synergies well with electric terrain.

About pinchurchin I think you can run like a more offensive set on it and make it max attack adamant. Tbh you’re probably not gonna click most of the moves you have on it rn outside of like recover?? But pinchurchin does have a real attack stat(101 attack is not bad) and has access to moves like sucker punch and supercell slam so I think you can add those to your pinchurchin moveset it can be clutch in certain situations.

You can also experiment with like two eterrain setters incase you want that longevity. An alternate eterrain I like using is thundurus due to it having prankster. It also has grass knot to KO tusk that try to click ice spinner

Speaking about tusk you should probably watch out for that. One of eterrains biggest weakness. Mons like rotom wash/ maybe Zapdos or grass knot thundurus can help check it for what it’s worth

[worn lark]

What if your opponent switches into a ground type as you click supercell

[faint vortex]

https://pokepast.es/923c957688c0f18f Team feels underwhelming and inconsistent. Debating if I need to add a setup sweeper or convert one of my mons into one. Or maybe make other changes. Any feedback would be appreciated

[regal ginkgo]

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[stone sierra]

Isn’t this super close to an old sample team

[trail whale]

issue is that Moltres is kind of awkward as a SpD Pokemon, you'd want to use Scizor to check Kyurem anyway and Moltres leaves you with only hopes and prayers vs Specs Dragapult and NP Darkrai. Id honestly drop Darkrai & Moltres for double hazards Ting Lu and using TornT / Dnite as your flying type. Lets you run other moves on Great Tusk and Ogerpon-W and covers for the ghost and dark weakness quite well. TornT and Dnite can act as extra speed control and do their job as a ground immunity, would recommend NP TornT and DDance Tera Normal Dnite specifically, as they provide you with a wincon.

[feral girder]

https://pokepast.es/95da12eaf8710449

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @feral girder, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9anythinggoes team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1208795569649356820 instead.

[worn lark]

I guess i interpreted wrong

[worn lark]

I though you meant the 5% miss chance

[nocturne sable]

Yea to clarify ground immunity switching in does count as a miss.

[worn lark]

Thanks

[alpine furnace]

Kinda just slapped mons together with the idea of using a glowking, prim, tusk defensive core. How is it?

https://pokepast.es/48b52480064005d5

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/02fe582023910097 feels like better with more pivot but util torn is kinda meh

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/73e297b8402283a7 idea was sort of a bunch of frail but very powerful physical attackers & a semi-grassy terrain enabled by glowking and eject hatt

[worn lark]

that ting lu set hurts to look at

but it might actually work

[elder knoll]

It’s a real set

[worn lark]

yeah

[tacit bluff]

It does work yeah

[alpine furnace]

Any raters online?

[somber sapphire]

No ghost resist here is definitely hurting you so I'd slot in maybe something like rai over ghold. No pivot feels quite weird as well especially on hazard stack

[worn lark]

isnt

isnt glowking a pivot

and its not really a hazard stack given the lack of stealth rock

[somber sapphire]

yes it's technically a pivot. I didn't need to mention that

and they have knock on glisc maybe they could run stealth rock on tusk?

[worn lark]

its just a team that happens to have both a pokemon with hazards and a gholdengo

yeah, fair

[worn lark]

doesnt this team get cooked by dragapult

wait nvm scarf ghold outspeeds

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/808383c11a209955

[regal ginkgo]

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[faint vortex]

Could be, I followed smogon to build the team around scizor

[faint vortex]

I like the idea of NP torn, been wanting to use it. About ting lu, I feel I use it quite often for how good it is and wanted to use another mon. However, again its still very good against mkst sp attackers, so I will add it in

What moves should I give the lu other than spikes and rocks?

[trail whale]

Whirlwind and Earthquake is good

[faint vortex]

No Ruination?

[trail whale]

I wouldn't say it's necessary
you can use it over Earthquake if you prefer

[faint vortex]

I will try EQ to start

Red card or lefties?

[trail whale]

you want Ting Lu to not be set up fodder though, also lefties over red card
another option is Rocks on Tusk and both attacks if you don't find much use for the 4th moveslot

[faint vortex]

Yeah I prefer that. I think lu having both eq and Ruination is too important

I already have 2 knock off mons, so tusk does not need it. I could go with temper flare or head smash but those feel niche

[trail whale]

CC is the main 4th move to consider

[alpine furnace]

I was gonna run rocks on tusk but I forgot. Again I just kinda slapped a lot of mons that seemed to have synergy together. Its not my first gen 9 ou team ever but it is the first in a few months.

Honestly I could slot ting lu > glisc and corv > ghold

The team would be pretty slow though

[jaunty granite]

Def not an official rater but triple drag is a bit much

Esp when you have no shadow ball answer aside from a forced tera on dnite

I would think to change smth for a dark type, mayb lu?

Oh this team is also hella slow

[limber spear]

they also lack hazard

[jaunty granite]

Yea was gonna say that too

Raters can critique my thoughts here but

• put a dark type somewhere, either rocks ting lu over tusk and find some other hazard control OR run like a samu over lati(?)
• make kyu scarf (or samu if you use it) for better speed
• rocks over knock on tusk if you keep it
• maybe roar on molt…? That’s a maybe tho

[limber spear]

(what if they run ting lu over latios and run av tusk )

and make kyurem scarf

(pls don’t av tusk

[jaunty granite]

Hey there is a sample sun team w AV tusk

[limber spear]

but this isn’t sun sadly 🙁

could go willo or roar over hurricane on molt

[jaunty granite]

Indeed

Actually best course might be AV tera poison samu

And scarf kyu

[limber spear]

idk how good sam is outside of h stack

[jaunty granite]

I am also a samu believer unlike some in this server

But yea the actual raters can offer some better advice as well, I must sleep now

[low aspen]

https://pokepast.es/7af4a156454f0791

[regal ginkgo]

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[low aspen]

thinking about last mon

also tera type (except ddengo and hydreigon)

[magic walrus]

lando can be tera water, treads can be ghost and alo can be steel or poison(this is the only advice i can give)

[low aspen]

Thanks for the advices,I'll use tera water lando

[wooden mountain]

U are only meant to submit full teams here, go to #comp-general if u need help finishing incomplete teams

[magic walrus]

I thought u could post with one left

[wooden mountain]

No

That still counts as incomplete

[magic walrus]

Oh k then

[low aspen]

Ah I see,I decided my last mon now.

https://pokepast.es/2323f3f0d1fb19b1

[low aspen]

Any thoughts on my team?

[tepid hazel]

bros using sv first regulation tag
ddengo hydreigon

[gritty lake]

This is singles

[magic walrus]

I think bros talking about battle stage singles

Still not the chat room tho

[low aspen]

??? yeah but why you say that pls rate my team first pls

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/7bcfdfaee192ef3c - Hazard stack boots spam phasing team.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

You need a ground immunity, and youre definitely lacking in power. You have multiple Pokemon without Boots and no Knock absorber so you'll want to take a more offensive approach.

I'd do DD Dragonite > Gholdengo and then edit the Pult & Zama sets to be Specs & AoA. Lets them threatem stuff better as your speed control options. Dnite can act as a wincon and let you switch Zama sets easier.

Also do use Smogon sets! Modest Boots Glowking and Protect Ting-Lu are very much not the move.

[magic dome]

if you want to lean bulkier, slotting in a zapdos/moltres over gholdengo is a good option

[robust dome]

the idea behind glowking was to add a tiny bit more firepower. I've never built bulky before so thanks for the advice.

[magic dome]

i agree with the change to AoA zama here, since this team right now doesnt have any source of immediate power

[robust dome]

i see. Thanks alot.

[trail whale]

with a bulkier build, Boots Hex Pult seems right
Id want to say Clefable > Tinkaton too so you can better get away with Boots spam

[robust dome]

Ah I had moltres before but, replaced it. I see. The idea was tinkaton gets mold breaker which really helps in a lot of situations.

[timid granite]

https://pokepast.es/142ddfa4d80bc1cc I cannot beat non tera king gambit with this team what could I possibly change? (Just not my harc shes my child)

What could I change to fix that

+2 Supreme overlord just hits to hard

I’ve lost 120 elo from just king gambits today I can’t avoid them

[elder knoll]

What did you build around?

I know it was Harc but who did you want to pair it with specifically

[timid granite]

Hydrapple

[elder knoll]

Hmm I think you’re partially running into issues because of that

[timid granite]

Yah probably

[elder knoll]

Since Hydrapple is normally found on more bulky teams

While Harc is on more offensive ones

[timid granite]

Well all I know about OU is from osmosis so I’m not great at this archetype thing

Aside from like rain sun stuff

[elder knoll]

well the main niche of Hisuian Arcanine

is that it basically breaks most common phys defensive mons

But it has trouble getting in and has issues with speed

Oh and it hates hazards

[timid granite]

I’m sure it’s cause of my inexperience but I’ve really liked drapple and Harc together cause drapple handles all the mons like ting Lu and alolamola what Harc can’t hit

[timid granite]

Hence the rabbit and bird

[elder knoll]

🤔 that makes sense but there’s also another pokemon that does that

that also has a pivoting move

And helps Harc pressure phys defensive guys even more

[timid granite]

Latios…?

Wait no that doesn’t beat Lu

[elder knoll]

It’s a grass type like Hydrapple

[timid granite]

Ah cat

[elder knoll]

Close

it’s a water type as well

[timid granite]

I mean I guess the oger works

[elder knoll]

Yeah Woger

so if you have those two you basically have a super strong phys breaker core

[timid granite]

Doesn’t that make my team like stupid weak to Woger tho

Like 0 good switch ins weak

[elder knoll]

Usually when you start building you need to have a cohesive core

Because you have two extremely strong phys breakers now you win con then you pair with them

can help cover the rest of those gaps

[timid granite]

It still doesn’t fix my I have no idea how to beat gambit problem

[elder knoll]

Well Woger and Harc needs removal right?

is there a removal option that also beats Gambit?

[timid granite]

I’m realizing I have no idea how to make a core

I’ve just been relying on catch my opponent off guard with stuff and using drapple to eat moves- which eventually stops working

What would leave for Tusk? Isn’t 3 pieces of hazard removal to much?

[elder knoll]

🤔 I would start with Harc/Woger/Tusk

then build out from there

[timid granite]

I see start from the ground up at this point lol

[elder knoll]

yeah usually it’s easier if you look at this stuff with fresh eyes lol

https://pokepast.es/59a20d249792d23c

You still need a:

• Win condition
• speed control
• ghost resist
• spdef guy

which your last 3 guys can do

[timid granite]

Oh thank you so much for you help

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/3cb29340645123ed what even is this team

[regal ginkgo]

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[stone sierra]

thats a lot of spdef

[limber spear]

scarf lando is problematic

my only option is like trade with destiny bond or else i need to predict every choice lock

[low aspen]

https://pokepast.es/2323f3f0d1fb19b1

[elder knoll]

Im not seeing the vision here

[limber spear]

(same)

i tried with heatran+woger+torn core at first

and prolly got lost

i think i will redo thanks

[elder knoll]

😭

uh ok

[limber spear]

cries

[low aspen]

bruh

[limber spear]

strange treads set

it loses to gliscor/tusk(which u need ice spinner)

prolly just go smth like lefties/boots(sv seems nice) with spin eq spinner knocker(vswitch also seems fun here)

theres also sub woger which is meh cuz like the only use case is salt cure/status prevent( and taunt does that) besides hydreigon isnt rlly that good u could go darkrai w/ scarf cuz u have flyer(idk the dengo set cuz that seems to be the fat twave hex spread)

[radiant flare]

https://pokepast.es/b5e78203eb9d55f7 I'm trying to learn teambuilding, suggestions would be very much appreciated

[wooden linden]

Hi! Looked over your team and added some changes here https://pokepast.es/9ba47a79561da7ab

Band gambit isnt really a thing for teams so i opted for a sd low kick set against opposing gambit

Prim wasnt really needed as a tank so cm enam was more so the play with its strong offenses and cm

Same with raging bolt here

And i decided tread would be a special lead so you can still have utility and spinning but are much faster

[radiant flare]

Some interesting changes, thank you

but you removed all of my pivot moves

[wooden linden]

Veil teams dont really need pivoting

[radiant flare]

maybe i shouldnt play veil then

becuase my playstyle has heavy pivot usage

[wooden mountain]

There’s a Zap/Gking/Tusk/Pult/Woger/Gambit team lemme find the paste

[wooden mountain]

https://pokepast.es/e836d1c81556c708 try this then

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/9350d18ab4a837aa 😭 trial no2

[radiant flare]

Thanks ill give it a go

[placid yarrow]

I am ngl av tusk did nothing in our game

Or at least the fact it was av

Might be because of my team but

I think you might wanna try something else

[limber spear]

yeah prolly could go rocks on tusk and just willo on tran

i am not switching into spa move anyways

thanks

tbh your sand team sounds fire

i just got lucky with the focus miss crit

[timber spade]

https://pokepast.es/f22d2d9f71140ab2 I need feedback from yall, Good or Bad

[wooden mountain]

Corv is a momentum sink especially w/o u-turn

[trail whale]

Tbh I'd recommend you familiarise yourself with the metagame before building

very strange Pokemon sets and feels like there is no strong core built around. 6-0d by Kyurem, SD Iron Valiant, Tera Blast Dragonite, iffy Kingambit checks, etc. Since I can't properly identify what the team is supposed to do, I can't give you an honest rate that sticks to the nature of the team

[trail whale]

I think Ting Lu does what you want from Tusk better here, gives you a much sturdier Ghost and Darkrai resist, you already have Knock Off + Rocks + Pech so the Spikes would be lovely

that slows the team down considerably though, encouraging things like Boots Zama > Darkrai as a Gambit check since you don't need that much speed control.
there are other optional stuff like running Synthesis Waterpon but should be fine

[trail whale]

I think you're very undecided on what you want to do

you're using hazard lead Deoxys but alongside Defog Corv and no spinblocker, using Defog to protect Iron Moth but running Boots on mons that don't need it (especially Lando T)

choose a more refined concept and build around it, that better tells me what direction you want to go in and how I can best rate the team

[limber spear]

so i run boots spam?

i see

and make it a h stack?

anyways thanks

would rest lu or whirlwind lu work better

[low aspen]

thanks for advice,I'll make new make new team

[trail whale]

whirlwind I'd say

[low aspen]

can u tell me what's meta rn? I need to know

[limber spear]

oh i see

[limber spear]

u can check out viability ranking they just updated but ting lu/zama/dnite r S(the best)ones rn

[regal ginkgo]

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[late kettle]

I had to fix this a lot of times but
https://pokepast.es/e4baf23d3c461be2

[wooden mountain]

Firstly, tusk EVs are literally inefficient as the HP and def aren’t in multiples of 4, wasting EVs
Secondly, why aren’t you running shadow ball on gholdengo

[magic dome]

youre missing a lot of evs on heatran

[magic dome]

the individual pokemon you use are fine here (barring iron hands, which doesnt really fit on a webs team), but i really recommend using sample sets here

[limber spear]

oh shi

😭

mb

that’s why it’s so frail

[magic dome]

😭

[limber spear]

thanks for telling me

i ran max speed then i ran 205 speed and forgot to add by the hp😭

[magic dome]

id use a sample araquanid set here, make gholdengo balloon nasty plot tera fairy recover psyshock dazzling gleam, and make the kingambit max attack max speed jolly with tera ghost low kick

[late kettle]

https://pokepast.es/16a29002b94f8cd5
Fixxed great tusk's ev's and gave gholdhengo shadow ball and replaced iron hands with gliscor for stealth rocks and pivoting

[faint vortex]

That could be good. Tried the team last night but didn't put CC on tusk. Might need to tinker further with it

[placid light]

https://pokepast.es/f74838ecf74c2fd7
getting back into singles trying out rain again

[regal ginkgo]

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[trail whale]

the message above has a rater giving you a rate already

[placid light]

dont mind the teras figuring that out still

[trail whale]

Weather Ball > Heat Wave to hit Ting Lu and Iron Treads
Barraskewda wants Aqua Jet over Poison Jab, important in Gambit endgames

Rillaboom and Tornadus bring very little to the table, you should use Iron Treads to not get demolished by opposing Zapdos and Raging Bolt.

I'd recommend a Kyurem or Dragonite in the other slot, a Pokrmon that can switch into Wellspring when you let it in

also, Gambit should always and I mean always run sd

[humble elk]

https://pokepast.es/d664900ecafb2a32 how good is this team rn im getting back into my showdown phase

but i amde this team like 5 months ago lol

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/126ec5fb7e71a4f7 shitty special spam dual lead HO semi hazard stack

i made in like

5 minutes

wait i forgot to ev gholdengo

what set did i smoke there hold on

Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Thunder Wave
• Hex
• Recover

replace it with that please

[tame hare]

https://pokepast.es/29bc97b37c1f4f1f thunderous rain

any improvements

[regal ginkgo]

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[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/3b8bf5ba0e1d0eea

[trail whale]

tbh this team looks like itd make a lot more sense with LandoT > Atales

You have AV pivots and are in need of both an electric and flying immunity. Can also round out a fine enough hazard stacking core with Ghold and Hrott.

Also that Prim set doesnt look great

[worn lark]

Its pretty cheesy but it actually works pretty consistently

[trail whale]

I think you need to approach this differently
this is an attempt at an offense team with a Pelipper slapped on it because you didnt wanna run Thunderbolt from what it seems

You have no Kyurem switch in, your Zapdos check cant touch Zapdos, and no real way to handle something like CM Valiant since your speed control is awkward

[trail whale]

the Prim?

[worn lark]

Yeah

[trail whale]

SubCM is fine but you could pretty easily run a water move over Protect to be more threatening

[worn lark]

Hm

Fair

Yeah i did run into a team with spedef pecharunt and i actually ran out of draining kiss pp

[trail whale]

most notable mon that screws you over would be Gking

[worn lark]

Just surf right

[trail whale]

yeah that works

[worn lark]

Hm

Yeah looking back its kinda hard to use atales here on a team with no removal and hsam is usually the superior lead

Thanks for the help

Do i just use like, the standard defensive set?

For lando

I mean, my team has little bulk, land is just there to eat a few thunderbolts and set rocks ig

[trail whale]

yeah
all you really need from it is ground move rocks u turn

[worn lark]

K thanks

Btw ive heard that sometimes you put earth power over eq but why? I mean it kinda feels like a waste given landos monster 145 base attack

For like, id zama?

[trail whale]

EP LandoT can pressure Pecharunt, Great Tusk, Zamazenta etc a lot better

also a thing youre forced to do if youre using Rillaboom but thats more specific

[trail whale]

I'd highly recommend SpD Thunder Wave Clefable here, Kyurem kinda rolls through your whole team, even Iron Valiant can be difficult to handle. Thunder Wave lets you cripple these threats much better and Knock Off can easily go on Wellspring.

Defog Corviknight has anti synergy with your hazard stacking core, id look into ID or even making it a Dnite, maintaining your Waterpon check and ground immune.

[tame hare]

what changes could be made to keep this as a rain team

[trail whale]

A lot, Id read some of the analyses on Smogon's Strategy Dex but in short: youd want rain abusers like Barraskewda, a secondary Steel-type as a Kyurem switch in, need to make Iron Treads Ice Spinner

[worn lark]

Does grassy terrain reduce physical ground damage?

Also yeah thanks, i guessed itd be bulky physical attackers

[trail whale]

I think you should try building again with a more specific idea in mind, then I can give you a better rate that doesnt take out half your team

[tame hare]

k cool

[worn lark]

You dont really have any abusers here

[trail whale]

Specifically Earthquake, Magnitude, and Bulldoze

Headlong Rush and High Horsepower are still at their normal base power

[worn lark]

Huh, interesting

You want swift swimmers like:

Kingdra
Basculeigon
Barraskewda

I’ll be real i couldn’t think of anymore

[outer pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/986ee043d2c49118 cb dnite and mixed pult offense

[worn lark]

Rain is kinda just a bad archetype rn iirc

Wellspring completely destroys it

You want swift swimmers like:

Kingdra
Basculeigon
Barraskewda

Discord failed to send my message sorry

[gritty lake]

Where the fairy resist

Getting fried by val on preview

[trail whale]

AV Hatt

[worn lark]

Ival 2hkos at +1

[wooden mountain]

Can’t it nuzzle

[trail whale]

you only really need to click Nuzzle to invalidate Val
or OHKO with Psyshock if they cant Tera

[trail whale]

Landorus gets much more out of Helmet than Lefties, and U-turn comes up much more than Taunt or Stone Edge, esp when you have Hatt

I hate to say this but the team looks like itd be better using a broken DD Dragonite set, You dont get as much value from Band when you have barely any pivots and already have a breaker in Pult. If you want to abuse Magic Bounce you can run a Tera Blast boosting item or Lum Berry.

Id be careful with Darkrai as your Dark-type of choice, OHKOd by Draco from Pult and you have a glaring weakness to Kingambit. My recommendations would be doing one of
A) Running your own Balloon Low Kick Kingambit
B) Making Waterpon an IDBP Roar Zamazenta
C) Running Tusk in place of LandoT (my least favourite option)

[wooden mountain]

On the topic of CB nite how’s this team

https://pokepast.es/32598995d5477099

[limber spear]

tripple hazard control

[wooden mountain]

Id want that to support bandnite and specs volc

[worn lark]

Do you really need the boots on tusk

I feel like booster atk/speed would work better

[outer pagoda]

thanks a ton for the write up. do you think scale shot dnite would also be good in this position

[worn lark]

I mean

[trail whale]

it works well yeah

[worn lark]

Scale shot tera blast and ekiller all work

My personal favourite dnite set is weakness policy tera blast fairy

It’s worse than the standard ones but its funny and blows up dragonites standard checks and thats what counts

[outer pagoda]

that is a fucked up set

evil

[worn lark]

It also runs roost

[outer pagoda]

dd roost eq tera blast?

or like fire punch or smth

[worn lark]

Fire/thunder punch

[outer pagoda]

that makes sense

[worn lark]

Tpunch is better against stall but fire punch is good against tera steel mons

[worn lark]

And both are good against corv which is one of dnites traditional walls

[outer pagoda]

i see

i might make 2 versions, one with tera fire scale shot and one with this set cause it sounds really funny

[limber spear]

there’s a set which u use tera fire fire punch+encore+dd+ scale shot

[trail whale]

try to keep discussion like this to the comp general channels so teams and rates don't get downed

[worn lark]

K got it

[cold cosmos]

idm the defog part, thats how most teams roll in old gens (6/7) but clef is a cool idea

[trail whale]

I'd assume that's because they aren't boots gens
you can live without hazard removal in SV as long as you have boots on mons that need it and a knock absorber (Clef)

[gusty nimbus]

my friend made this wacked out at 2am and sent it to me for use. is this monstrosity fixable in any way or is it just fundamentally screwed
https://pokepast.es/9e771b5649b0d816

[worn lark]

Isnt toxicroak a worse okidogi

At leats thats what ive heard

[gusty nimbus]

i wouldn't doubt that tbf

[worn lark]

Its honestly pretty good though

[trail whale]

the point is that it walls Waterpon

[worn lark]

You can beat wellspring who is THE rain counter

[worn lark]

Yeah fair

[gusty nimbus]

dry skin is so awesome

[wooden mountain]

?

[worn lark]

I know its rare but doesnt cornerstone run through your team

[gusty nimbus]

can barraskewda not kill that thang

oh wait were you talking to the other guy

mb

[worn lark]

Oh wait swift swim nvm

[gusty nimbus]

as long as pelipper doesn't die ig

[worn lark]

Yeah

[hot dome]

Please don’t give advice that isn’t relevant

[trail whale]

I don't think the idea is worth using, you still only have 8 turns out rain per Pelipper switch in, Toxicroak lacks immidiete offensive pressure and gets easily forced out thanks to poor speed tier + mediocre bulk.

I can give you advice to make it a standard rain team but I don't think you'll be interested in that

[gusty nimbus]

id be down honestly

[trail whale]

Treads has Stealth Rock on an AV set, I'd drop the Assault Vest all together and run a more offensive EV spread with Ice Spinner > Volt Switch. Lets Treads threaten opposing Zapdos much better.

Toxicroak can be a Balloon Kingambit which acts as your Kyurem check, Dark resist, and Ghost resist.

I'm not sure why the Kyurem is Scarf because you already have Barraskewda, can get away with Specs or making it a Raging Bolt

also Zapdos on rain wants to be more offensive with Roost > one of your electric moves

[gusty nimbus]

gotcha

i just realized it has rocks on AV..

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/0931fca80d049f95 - LO Protean Geninja/ Scarf Regidrago Offense

[trail whale]

Regidrago isn't good: it's pretty easy to switch into and it's not like other breakers where it can come in to force in its checks and chip them over time, since it gets weaker the more hazards it takes. It's also garbage speed control as it's slower than Zamazenta and Dragapult

I'd give a full rate but I'm tired

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/a87e6a730197330c it was teleport deox-d before mola 😭

[brazen wind]

Pecharunt,weavile,gholdengo,garchomp What kind of tanks should I put in?

[worn lark]

#comp-general for unfinished teams

[jaunty granite]

^ this is not a channel for unfinished squads

[worn lark]

Also ghold and pech should be more than enough bulk for an offense

Depends on what you want to build though

[worn lark]

Isnt val a bit out of place here

[limber spear]

needed speed control+knock

[worn lark]

Then again actually no

[worn lark]

Hm

Id say weavile but scarf weavile sounds really weird

It would give you priority though

[limber spear]

cuz gambit seems risky here

to face*

[worn lark]

Oh yeah

That’s true

[trail whale]

id run Zama over Valiant as your speed control, can do it multiple times and switches into Ting Lu and Kingambit much better as well

you can get away with SpD Rocks Knock Clef over Mola if you're looking for how to slot Knock

[limber spear]

no deox-d 🙁 ?

[trail whale]

I have to test it first

[limber spear]

its gonna be meta

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/03758a400184c499 I have cooked i beleive

[regal ginkgo]

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[hazy shoal]

https://pokepast.es/4714b656fa7d8e02

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic dome]

this team looks good for the most part but this team feels like it would really struggle in any game versus a bulkier style, like balance or stall.

chomp & dnite share pretty similar roles here and i don’t really think you need both of them. you could swap out chomp and put in something like glowking/pecharunt/bulky ghold. id also recommend making dnite a set that can hit corviknight, like scale shot fire punch. consider making deoxys psychic noise instead of psycho boost here, since that really helps out your stall mu but trades some of that immediate firepower

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/6578e2461eb3179d
not liking hatt very much

[empty verge]

Needs a fairy resist

Do Slowking Galar with twave

[wooden linden]

Messed with your team a little and revised it
https://pokepast.es/0835abf646b6fce3

[trail whale]

ooh fun

[wooden linden]

I will say i dont really like no hazard control but like

Ig you can do tusk or treads

[elder knoll]

Yeah that teams is the most hazard weak team

I’ve ever seen

You’re running four pivoting moves and only one pair of boots

[faint vortex]

Lose far more than I win with this team. Send help https://pokepast.es/0d878a74fa1fabc3

[regal ginkgo]

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[sharp mica]

https://pokepast.es/4c9d432edf888943 i tried to make some sort of ballance team.

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden mountain]

A: This feels more of a bulky offense team than balance
B: Hazard control is subpar. Against opposing gholdengo, you pretty much have to keep momentum the whole game to prevent hazards from going up
C: Your zamazenta set is subpar, without speed investment it gets outsped by even Kyurem, and without defense investment your body presses won’t be hitting as hard as you want them to
D: Lacking a ghost resist makes gholdengo and dragapult very inconvenient to deal with

https://pokepast.es/6feb02ec3ca8c51f Refer to this sample as an example of a good balance team

[wooden linden]

Hi! Ive looked at your team so far and decided to help you out with a revision
https://pokepast.es/aae5d0bf06d6b68e

i decided np tornt wasnt really needed given how wellspring already breaks most balance teams so i went with a av pivot set here to provide utility

ghold is over pech here given that twave is very nice for wellspring and such to take advantage of while providing a solid kyurem check

i decided to scrap scizor since it wasnt all too needed and added scarf latios for speed control utility with trick and pivoting

it also provides a secondary kyu check through tera steel levitate

[carmine oak]

how do you break things

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/1054134852f077dd slither wing h stack(feels weak into moltres and pult)

[carmine oak]

how is it vs like pult?

[limber spear]

u need hsam

[carmine oak]

is it good enough at not giving it enough opportunities to come in

because im going to use this

[limber spear]

u need to revenge it

[carmine oak]

ok

[limber spear]

i can run scarf enam and go boots/av sam

[carmine oak]

idk i just wanted to ask

[limber spear]

u prolly right

i didnt face a too problematic one while testing

[low aspen]

now ts

https://pokepast.es/2323f3f0d1fb19b1

[carmine oak]

oh now you break things you have a waterpon

👍

idk if sub is gud tho

[limber spear]

are we ignoring that treads set 😭

[low aspen]

I hate water type
I hate water type
I hate water type

[limber spear]

is woger mola not enough

[low aspen]

not enough

[limber spear]

what water killed u

[limber spear]

bump

[limber spear]

i am thinking of moltres and specs val over slither and enam

[elder knoll]

What is slither doing for this team

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @dusk skiff, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldex team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059714627384115290 instead.

[dusk skiff]

gulp

ignore that

[trail whale]

I feel like youre trying to build an offensive hazard stack around Slither which wont work very well
Too many hazard weak mons, kyurem and pult get free entries to ruin your day on everything, Enam doesn't seem like it fits, would recommend scrapping and trying a bulkier approach

[worn lark]

I feel like band lokix would be a far superior first impression user

The cinderace matchup feels rough

I also just personally don’t like iron treads but i understand that’s a playstyle issue

[low aspen]

Weather ball raging bolt
Water pon
Greninia

[worn lark]

Do you really want treads to be your counter to them

You have a waterpon an alo and a hydreigon i dont see the water matchup being problematic

Also supercell slam is an ass move-

[elder knoll]

There’s literally no Woger switch in

😭

What are you people talking about

[worn lark]

I mean you have your own woger

[elder knoll]

That’s not a Woger switch in

bro

😭

If your idea of beating Woger is winning a speed tie you’ve lost at preview

[worn lark]

It’s a cudgel switch in at least

Actually looking at it-

No play rough woger sweeps the entire team yeah

I also dont see an sd valiant switch in

Ice punch cc and knock off sweep the entire team

[hot dome]

???

you can just tera ghold/lando + mola can take a hit + ice punch is rare in the first place

stop giving advice if you are not experienced in the tier

[limber spear]

🤔 cuz on paper it seems good with big priority to hit woger and krai while walling lando(assuming it’s not tb flying )tusk and a bit of gambit while also having the ability to gain momentum

tysm y’all for the help

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/343ab0e448a30a38 made it fat stack with slither(or is slither rlly that bad)(or am i rlly that bad)

[regal ginkgo]

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[faint vortex]

Hi there, thank you for taking the time to work on this. I am intrigued by the changes you made. I do enjoy AV Torn but never used it in OU. Lati is always fun to use, and ghold does help with making Oger-W better against faster mons with Para. I do want to ask tho, will I struggle with Oger-W myself with this team or is my matchup ok?

I did want to build the team around scizor, but I can do that on another team.

Anyone able to give some feedback on this team featuring scarf Lando? Wondering if I need a setup mon https://pokepast.es/c9cf6b22c3716f9f

[wooden linden]

you should be able to outoffense it pretty well with lati and tornt

plus bulky ghold can take hits and twave it

its not the best mu but as long as youre proactive you should be fine

[wooden linden]

i would prob add gambit over garg here. a steel type is needed here anyways and it provides a more potent sweeper

i would also take raging bolt out for pult here to help spinblock and protect hazards

[cinder lodge]

https://pokepast.es/28f85ba6a37bcbac
(regulation I)
I made this team a few months back and I've been adjusting it ever since and this is what i have so far

I've wanted to use koraidon in a different way as life orb, cband and clear amulet seem to be the only options, though i struggle with mostly kyogre matchups. any tips?

[faint vortex]

In the wrong fourm there

[carmine oak]

yeah

[cinder lodge]

oh sorry where do i go?

[faint vortex]

Not sure tbh

[limber spear]

DOU

it has its own rmt

[faint vortex]

Ok that would be changes to test. What sets would be best here?

[wooden linden]

i'd say wisp pult and bulky gambit will work out here

[trail whale]

#1059704283072831499

[low aspen]

galar slowking hp ev 248 better
(to maximum regenerator heal)

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/c1a493bb95bd0a2c 🥀 its slither for the third time

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint vortex]

Cool sounds good to me

[tame hare]

https://pokepast.es/4efd0e8671043552 -terribly weak to garg

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[somber sapphire]

Thundurus-T sucks ass. You lack fighting coverage. CB hamurott is unviable.

run the standard scizor set with hbd on it.

either that or run the standard sd set for scizor

[stone sierra]

p similar standard team try it instead