SV OU Rates

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

Umbreon is a momentum sink, it's going to give your opponent space to breathe and undo any progress made by Samurott and Arcanine

[timid granite]

Really? My umbreon has kinda been the only reason I’ve been winning games with wish passing

[echo rampart]

you will also stagnate at low ladder

lower rated players won't usually know how to take advantage of it

change it to a Ting-Lu, you're pretty electric weak right now. That can let you replace Stealth Rocks on Landorus or replace Samurott as a Spikes setter if you want to replace it with something faster

[timid granite]

Is there any specific stats I’m looking for on ting Lu or is he kinda feels based

[low phoenix]

Ting Lu is just fat af

Also a consistent progress maker with ruination + whirlwind phasing sweepers

[echo rampart]

yeah Ting Lu can 1v1 most special attackers

it would make your Raging Bolt matchup a lot more comfortable than "go great tusk and pray they don't dragon pulse"

[low phoenix]

I also don’t like defog Corv as the only hazard control with gholdengo being such a good Mon

[timid granite]

I guess trying to use Corv to lure in gho for Arcanine isn’t the greatest plan

[stone sierra]

Yes he’s very based

[timid granite]

I see gotcha

[low phoenix]

You get severely chipped by hazards everytime you switch to harcanine

[timid granite]

I’ve noticed

I need more hazard control-

And apperently I don’t understand how to use a ting lu

[low phoenix]

corv + tusk or corv + cinderace is a classic

since you are new

[timid granite]

It doesn’t work like my umbreon did at all

[low phoenix]

if you want to build

you should think aabout how your mons synergize with each other first and foremost

how one mon enables the other

[timid granite]

I understand small interactions but switching from doubles to singles is so different

[low phoenix]

are you talking about smogon doubles or vgc?

[timid granite]

VGC

[low phoenix]

yea makes sense

singles is waaayyyyyyyyyy slower than VGC

[timid granite]

I’ve noticed

[low phoenix]

the average game probably lasts around a few dozen turns id say

[elder knoll]

AV Hydrapple

🥀

[timid granite]

When testing my team before asking for help I was getting consistently 35-50 turn games

[low phoenix]

stall vs stall games are rare but if you get that matchup expect games to potentially go hundreds of turns

[timid granite]

Leave my baby alone he’s the only thing that’s holding my team together

[elder knoll]

You have a bulkier team so that makes sense

😭

[elder knoll]

Lemme introduce you to the

based

NP Hydrapple

[low phoenix]

av hydrapple is ass

[elder knoll]

[low phoenix]

np hydrapple can actually setup to threaten stuff

switchins such as corv and gking if chipped

if you want an av mon go primarina or gking

[timid granite]

I’ll be honest NP isn’t registering in my head

[elder knoll]

Nasty plot

[timid granite]

Oh yah-

[low phoenix]

primarina does heavy damage vs alot of meta relavent mons such as ting lu raging bolt dragonite iron moth etc very well and gking has excellent coverage to hit almost everything

[timid granite]

The button Caly S pressed and wins on the spot with in doubles

[elder knoll]

It does that in singles sometimes as well

[low phoenix]

sup pinkstork

[elder knoll]

hello memester

[low phoenix]

caly s is only found in ag unfortunately this gen

[timid granite]

I can see why after seeing it in vgc- it single handedly made my groudon hold av- but why exactly is AV hydrapple bad? Is it just because he doesn’t hit hard enough?

[low phoenix]

you dont threaten the special walls

dont do enough dmg wo np

you can surprise the occasional kyurem

but not worth the opportunity cost of no setup

[timid granite]

I guess with how I was using him it forced my Tera a lot

[elder knoll]

yeah even with AV your typing isn’t the best into most special attackers

Since things like Darkrai, Glowking, Raging Bolt, and Iron Valiant hit you for SE

[timid granite]

When he was a fairy he felt great otherwise not so much

But I guess Glowking is probably the better regenerator mon for a reason

[elder knoll]

It’s better for taking on special attackers

and pivoting

But Drapple is solid and has a good niche switching into stuff like Ogerpon Wellspring

Who’s one of the boogey women of the tier

[timid granite]

Ive been loving my drapple into dozo and he’s been the only thing that’s been remotely capable of taking a +3 body press from zamazenta

[low phoenix]

Know what else can take a +3 bp zama?

Pecharunt

[timid granite]

I mean yes- but I don’t like pecherunt and like to pretend it isn’t real

[low phoenix]

Like it or not it’s here to stay

[elder knoll]

Other ghosts or Tera ghosts

do pretty well into Zama

[timid granite]

Sadly

I’ll try and work on my team with what I’ve learned here- hopefully I make it better and not worse

[elder knoll]

Send the updated version

[timid granite]

I mean as of now I’ve got this but I think I might try a different hazard support- I’m not liking court change with all the hazards I’m trying to set up

Hello? Paste key?

https://pokepast.es/8f27ccba0e9aa64d cinderace has hp ev’s as the last but it just didn’t show for some reason

There

I think I made it worse-

Lando t might not have been the swap

[wooden linden]

ok i just really dont like harcanine here

its really not gonna be doing much

its super counterproductive to have defog and court change on a hstack here

[dawn dirge]

Does anyone have a team with Kommo-o Clangorous Soul?

[low phoenix]

#comp-general

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/3c513528c6c86d62

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10371245960573455153

[north nimbus]

This squad when kyurem or wake appear

[stone sierra]

Had av hatt at one point

[trail whale]

you really do want resists for them

[trail whale]

concept looks shaky in general tbh, too reliant on Treads hazard removal and it's quite slow so it'll get punished for this, weavile on here for some reason but no Ghost.

I think you could get away with Dragapult > Iron Crown for more consistent speed control + a ghost type and Gking > Clef to have a Kyurem / Wake switch in

though Tera Fairy Dnite and Waterpon look like cooked match ups without Clef, so maybe make Clef a Knock Off set and the Weavile becomes the Gking slot? You'd probably have to run Specs Pult then just so you don't feel short on breaking power

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/33213fe9e6ce734d
absolute wonderland m8

spdef ghold seems like a neccesary tool here but phys def could work too

[clever berry]

SpDef Dengo is for what?
Valiant and Kyurem?

[wooden linden]

Yeah

Also cuz since i already have super phys def mons i dont really need boldengo

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/14b924ac64a28a04

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

Lowkey you may as well just put scarf on samu

Like black glasses without sd is not that great

Prob just put roar on zama over stone edge

Also prob just do bulky np for ghold

Youre kinda wack vs fairies so id put treads over tusk here

[cold cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[cold cosmos]

plan to beat the moltres/zapdos?

[wooden linden]

Your deo is right there

[wooden linden]

Yeah its pretty ass icl

Like why do you even need glasses

Legit av might be better

[cold cosmos]

break stal

[wooden linden]

Youre fine vs stall

Dnite with encore messes with dozo already

And samu already deals with stall glasses doesnt change anything

And also bolt is ass to face for you

Youre one draco away from being wiped if youre keeping that tusk

[nocturne sable]

You see if you wanted to break stall with black glasses you run…swords dance!

[wooden linden]

They dont even need sd theres like 3 set up sweepers

[queen ibex]

Hey having some trouble with Zama in OU. Either can’t kill in one shot and deals massive blow to my team or gets swept this is my team. Anyone got any pointers?

https://pokepast.es/29154ceda33c43fb

[wooden linden]

I dont really like a lot of these guys here

Band chomp is pretty bad even outside of how chomp is pretty meh

Moth is just kinda there

Umbreon too

And ngl clef should really be phys def

[stone sierra]

They’re in need of a specially defensive dark type you say?

[wooden linden]

Yeah get lu over umbreon

Chomp can really be replaced with smth else

Im thinking pult

For moth im thinking changing it to a glowking

Tbh wellspring might need to be subbed out for smth else too with the wack hazard removal

So im gonna say idk

Keldeo or prim

[elder knoll]

You should also mention something about the

speed situation

they don’t even have booster speed moth

[wooden linden]

I added pult over chomp here

Should be suffice enough

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/7f696adb4b28b65b

[limber spear]

why is pink stork a anime girl

[elder knoll]

I let a friend pick a new pfp for me

So I’m an anime girl for at least 24 hours

[limber spear]

phew

i thought u suddenly love anime or stuff(i got scared )

nvm the grammar is so shit

[queen ibex]

Thanks for the help bro.

[queen ibex]

Thanks.

[stone sierra]

Do not use that team until a rater gets to it

Prolly has some flaws I overlooked

[queen ibex]

Alright sounds good thanks anyway.

[trail whale]

what style are you trying to build? what idea are you building around?

the team is a bit over the place right now and uses awkward Pokemon like Choice Band Garchomp and Umbreon

[queen ibex]

I’m trying to build a more bulky team with some fast mons and yeah I can see what you mean my friend made the team new to the meta so we used mainly mons I knew how to use from previous Gens and some new one’s to give you my thoughts process.

[queen ibex]

So like a balanced team basically but more stall/bulky oriented.

[trail whale]

I'd highly recommend using one of the newly updated sample teams then, simply playing a handful of games as you climb will teach you about synergies, match ups, and expand your knowledge on the metagame

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[queen ibex]

Alright thanks man I will keep it in mind.

[trail whale]

with new found knowledge your building will also improve!

[alpine furnace]

That just sounds like fat balance.

[nova plover]

how do i share a team

[worn lark]

press upload to pokepaste and copy and paste the link to the page it sends you to

https://pokepast.es/85d97881eb63d43d Speaking of which, pivoted away from my hazard stack to make a BO, thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

wait i'll fix the treads tera type; it's tera water now

[queen ibex]

Yes what I meant to say.

https://pokepast.es/30bf9b009d688cdb

This better boys? My man just made me a new team that suits my playing style better.

[devout bobcat]

@cyan talon

[cyan talon]

?

[cyan talon]

?

[devout bobcat]

This is the chat for teambuilding

[cyan talon]

oh

[cyan talon]

can u help me build my team better ? https://pokepast.es/fc6a4ff4b96627bf

rn its preaty bad

i think

[devout bobcat]

Oh this is doubles ubers not Ou shit

[cyan talon]

?

[devout bobcat]

Saw a very popular ou set with hatt and assumed.
#1059901370477576272 message

that's the channel for ubers and dubers

[cyan talon]

oh okay

[viral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/fd4f6cbf6a5db429 any tips on this team? i really like scarf gholdengo and curse garg, but i feel like i dont have enough dnite and kingambit answers. glimmora kinda feels like deadweight but i cant think of any other better stealth rock setters on the top of my head. i'm not experienced so i appreciate any feedback

[limber spear]

missing ground immune 🥀

(tusk can also set up rocks by dropping cc)

[viral ruin]

would lando-t instead of glimmora be too much ice/water weakness?

[limber spear]

glim is strange here cuz it’s a sac lead on a balance(i think it’s fine sometimes )

(anyways wait for raters

[viral ruin]

its deffo a weak point, most of the time i dont lead with it anyways cus its just not a good answer vs whatever lead they have

[limber spear]

u jsut throw rocks and t spikes and let it die

but it’s more common on hyper offense where garg and gloking don’t belong

[low phoenix]

I think tinkaton > glimmora and pecharunt > glowking will help your team out and also serve to patch your wogerpon matchup + give you an additional dnite check

Psyshock on gholdengo can be recover for longetivity or Tera fighting focus blast as an emergency check vs kingambit

You should try slapping on knock off on wogerpon or great tusk too knock off is always good to have

Glimmora is only good on hyper offense structures as it isn’t really a Mon known for its longetivity

[viral ruin]

thx, ill try your tips out

[low phoenix]

Oh yea I overlooked something no flying

[stone sierra]

Bump

[limber spear]

why not rocks on tusk 😦

[low phoenix]

Might have to replace scarf Ghold I think scarf Lando can work

[stone sierra]

Seems like a lot of ice weaknesses

[limber spear]

u can revenge kill with stone edge(lando) or jsut get tinka in for weav

kyurem is a bit annoying i think

[quartz sun]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nu-2417469439-w4bhm60cp8l8b2d7wlpqc9nx2onvb0hpw nu dub

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/a62ba4958c82b317

took me a while to make this

[quartz sun]

👌

[quartz sun]

👌

[low phoenix]

Av prim wants hazard removal so it can get on the field multiple times

What kind of play style are you aiming for first

[tame kelp]

Hey, i wanna submit a gimmick team that maybe some professional can turn into a real working strategy.

I saw some guy on YT mentioning Imprison+Transform Mew; he also recommended Gothitelle for Shadow Tag to force struggle(-ghost types etc.).
My favorite pokemon is Gengar so every time I bring Gothitelle you know he's coming.
So now it's half struggleforce and half perish trap, I brought indeedee for psychic terrain to prevent disrupting my setup + misdirection. Then I just couldn't think of other fits for the strategy so I just looked for a physical attacker in SD+ES Arceus and Wall Breaker in Urshifu.

I just had a game where i managed to perish opponents first 2 pokemon and I had mew gengar in the back, swapped in gengar in trick room, next to mew, i got cursed body proc on miraidon and went first with encore(struggle force) and then executed the mew imprison+transform strat on incineroar and won after he struggled himself to death.

This might be off-topic or wrong chat.
Feel free to correct me and point me in the correct direction.

Just felt like sharing ^^

https://pokepast.es/080eae837d33d841

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

what format is this for

OU is a usage-based tier with certain rules and clauses and this team doesnt follow that

[alpine hornet]

the closest format this seems targeted to would be doubles ubers

which is a stretch but

[tame kelp]

Oh really! Ive just been testing it out in casual battles

I wanted to bring it to ranked but its just scratch

[alpine hornet]

if thats the format youre trying to play id suggest popping this in the “other” channel in the rmt thread

[tame kelp]

What's the clauses that prevent it

[echo rampart]

ya we do our team rates based on competitive formats

are u playing doubles online?

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

vgc rates might be your best bet

[echo rampart]

pokemon bans and ability bans (shadow tag and urshifu are not allowed in smogon OU)

[tame kelp]

Well, I wanted to use it in ranked when its refined, but I see now that I can't

I meant ranked SV

like in the game 😅

[echo rampart]

it's double battles right?

[alpine hornet]

i think based on the indeedee this is targeted towards doubs

[tame kelp]

Yea

[alpine hornet]

but obviously not really towards any doubles tier in particular

[tame kelp]

Doubles ranked pokemon scarlet

[alpine hornet]

like only doubers usable but

[echo rampart]

yeah it's VGC reg J

[alpine hornet]

cart is a very diff format

oh like cart ranked like vgc

im silly

[tame kelp]

Arceus and mew can't participate, for what reason idk

[alpine hornet]

yeah theres an rmt channel for that

[echo rampart]

VGC rates is your best bet

[tame kelp]

Alright thanks guys

[alpine hornet]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

[faint vortex]

Hello everyone, I built ths team around CB scizor, trying to go for a bulky offense archtype. Any feedback would be appreciated .https://pokepast.es/b4e42a00a35fe8e0

[somber sapphire]

Bulky offense

[nova plover]

https://pokepast.es/3c4b9b9a270d53a2

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I assume this is offense or something?

I’m not really a fan of your fairy MU imo, it feels very weak. I think this team needs a mon like iron moth to patch up that weakness.

I’d also make treads and zama>>>tusk and valiant.

Also if you’re running Tera blast fairy on darkrai i don’t think Ice beam is needed. I would rather sludge bomb to hit fairies.

[limber spear]

does he need a flyer

[nocturne sable]

I think it should be fine? Outside of maybe Tera fairy eq dnite and bu taunt tusk the ground MU should be fine. A flier is always appreciated though fwiw.

[limber spear]

is flyer a must in offense

[nocturne sable]

Offense can function without a flier so it’s not really a must. Still pretty good to have but not a must unlike BO

[limber spear]

ic

[swift forum]

funny tink paraspam cheese ho https://pokepast.es/ec90219fba3c3591

[atomic mango]

ik most of these r just regular sets but is the core of this team good https://pokepast.es/1b90348136f2af59

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[somber sapphire]

Well it's not a bad team but why are you running choice scarf kyurem?

[nova plover]

ice beam for flying types and others

tera blast can hit many fairies for super effective like iron val

originally i used iron moth but it didnt feel right having 2 mons weak to water since i dont have a direct counter to water types either

it backed me into a corner where i needed a water absorb pokemon like ogerpon or clodsire

i used clodsire for a time because i like its high special defense and such

also i believe the team leans more towards balanced than offensive with strong mons like gambit and val but also defensive mons like thunder wave recover gholdengo

anyways realistically i cant imagine a team without either gambit or gholdengo

[limber spear]

i believe 252 spa dengo isn’t a bulkier kind of it

the fat dengo runs 0 spa investment mostly

[nova plover]

it doesnt make a difference imo

he dies to any super effeective physical move but his special bulk is high enough to take a shadow ball from dragapult val and other gholdengo too

with no points in spd

i prefer stalling themout after paralyzing them then killingnthem in 2-3 hits

since i invested in spa

[short oasis]

https://pokepast.es/68fcf922a91d5b62
Im not really sure about gastrodon in that team for now

But water immunity is useful

[atomic mango]

waterpon mostly

[limber spear]

doesn’t pult also work

[atomic mango]

scarf kyurem also catches ppl off guard

not that it's super rare but most ppl expect specs

or dd

[nova plover]

wow

i hate gastrodon with a passion

back when i played doubles i didntknow storm drain redirected attacks and i was so confused cus i was convinced i misclicked lmao

[nocturne sable]

You should be able to KO most flying types at +2 with dark pulse. And you have Tera blast fairy to hit flyings like dragonite, etc.

Water MU is rough, Ogerpon/kyurem can always slot in but I feel like you have the breaking power(banded pult, np orb darkrai, kingambit, etc) to break through most fat waters.

Ghold is definitely droppable on teams especially ones that don’t utilize Hstack and already have a ghost type.

I think your speed control should be fine you have some of the fastest mons in the game+booster energy speed users

[nova plover]

i really like choice scarf freeze dry kyurem

[elder knoll]

why

is Gambit weaknesses policy

[nova plover]

gambit is very bulky

[elder knoll]

that doesn’t explain the weakness policy

[nova plover]

it can almost always tank a super hit

+4 id beter than +2

try and understand

[elder knoll]

You generally are using Gambit’s bulk

to take resisted and neutral hits

not leaving it on

on tusk or Zama

[nova plover]

what do u mean

[elder knoll]

Cause you’re still getting folded by fighting attacks

[nocturne sable]

Cheese ig

252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Kingambit: 338-398 (83.6 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Barely takes tusk headlong that well to abuse weakness policy
Possible damage amounts: (338, 342, 344, 350, 354, 356, 362, 366, 368, 374, 378, 380, 386, 390, 392, 398)
Pokémon

[nova plover]

tera fire

stops burns too

[nocturne sable]

Tera fire gambit is easy to understand

[nova plover]

thats what i mean

[elder knoll]

like this isn’t changing Gambits role

and a spike messed up

this entire calc

[nova plover]

gambit doesnt need to deal with everythinf

[elder knoll]

this seems inconsistent at best

[nova plover]

it just needs to be strong enough for most things

also

what would u suggest instead of wp

[elder knoll]

Like if you wanna cheese with Gambit

[nocturne sable]

weakness policy is interesting but I’m not sure what hits gambit take in order for it to work, I guess you take on a ground move from ting Lu or something

[elder knoll]

literally

[nocturne sable]

That’s one of the likely scenarios where weakness policy comes in play

[nova plover]

from clodsire as well

[elder knoll]

Clodsire

is barely used in OU

[nocturne sable]

Clod is super rare outside of stall

[nova plover]

really

[elder knoll]

Switching into Lu without

[nova plover]

ive seen it a lot

[elder knoll]

It’s not even

3% useage

[elder knoll]

low kick is a recipe to get whitlwinded out

[nova plover]

it can also take special fire moves

[limber spear]

clodsire mentioned

[nova plover]

flamethrower from moltres

[elder knoll]

😭

You don’t ever want to be switching into Molt

if you can avoid

[nova plover]

why is that

[elder knoll]

or attacking into it

without Tera

[elder knoll]

You’re risking a burn

[nova plover]

tera fire dawg

[elder knoll]

yeah

now your weakness policy is useless

[nova plover]

bro

flamethrower has a 10 pervent chance to burn

[nocturne sable]

I’m guessing moltres clicks flamethrower then weakness policy triggers then you Tera fire

[nova plover]

i like those odds

[limber spear]

but willo has 85%

[elder knoll]

they can click wisp

[nocturne sable]

But that’s super unlikely because moltres will os immediately

[elder knoll]

or roar

[nocturne sable]

Like 99% of the time

[limber spear]

exactly 👍🏻

[nocturne sable]

It’s not clicking flamethrower into gambit immediately

[nova plover]

why would they if u were on a special mon or fire ty[e or gholdengo

[elder knoll]

Like if you switch it into a predicted flamethrower

[limber spear]

tbh just use policy crown

it’s better as a policy user

[elder knoll]

your just gonna take a whirlwind the following turn

this is like

😭

[nova plover]

whirlwind has negative priorit

[nocturne sable]

An alternative is like shuca berry kingambit that can actually alow you to take on a great tusk headlong rush

[elder knoll]

or a balloon

[nocturne sable]

True

[nova plover]

how bulky is moltres dude

[elder knoll]

It’s bulky enough to live +2 kotow

and roar you

[nova plover]

does gambit have coverage

[elder knoll]

you are not running

[nova plover]

tera rock tera blast 😎

[limber spear]

can’t use cuz no space

[elder knoll]

stone edge gambit 😭

[nova plover]

no need for swords dance since u have wp

its a coin toss if they go for willo or not

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/d91b61a1e8ef00c6 made a mamoswine bolt boots spam bc i think they synergies well together

[regal ginkgo]

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[swift forum]

your team is too offensive, there's no real defense other than torn-t which isn't that bulky, so any strong attacker will probably get a kill for free vs your team (like any pokemon that drops a draco, especially kyurem and wake, or some specs fairy like ival or enam), and they have free entries vs a bolt that's dropped a draco. also only 3 boots and no removal isn't good for a team like yours, which isn't going to win the game immediately. generally with specs rbolt, you need a lot of pivots and you need pokemon that can switch in to pretty much any offensive threat. also use icicle crash on mamo and remember to put the 4 evs somewhere. also i dont understand your idea of synergy between mamo and bolt because it's not like they're checked by the same pokemon and they can chip the checks, and it's not like mamo can hardswitch in on something that threatens bolt (especially if it's a ground type so you can't volt) and vice versa. sure their types are synergistic but you're never threatening your opponent with both at the same time.

[nocturne sable]

FWIW he’s kinda right, this team looks like a BO with no defensive backbone especially for special attackers^

I can see AV hatt slotting here over gholdengo tbh. Tornadus can also be taunt here to aid in hazard MU against tinka and such.

Also run icicle crash over ice fang.

[stone sierra]

Fang was a misclick but I wouldn’t have a scarfer without ghold

Ig scarf rai? I made it bulky np bc I hate rai as a ghost resist

[nocturne sable]

I think scarfer is not that necessary? I mean speed control should look fine here with zama rai etc.

If you need a sturdy ghost resist there is always a certain moose or a certain gambit

[stone sierra]

Don’t wanna stack types

I’d use ting if I could but mamoswine is nice

Ig without ghold I could go gambit

Triple priority gaming

[clever berry]

I like Mamo but I think you should have an offensive item on it rather than boots
Else you don't leverage its wallbreaking prowess

Also wait

Ice Fang?

Over Icicle?
LMAO

Yeah and as someone said, you lack pivots

Torn ain't enough

And wtf is that Darkrai spread?

[somber sapphire]

pecharunt could work yes?

[clever berry]

Over what?

Gholdengo?

No Rapid Spin too

[somber sapphire]

can be anyone

[clever berry]

Btw

Nvm

Mamo is mid as a breaker

It loses badly to Zama

[stone sierra]

I have bolt as a breaker

I already changed the team

[regal ginkgo]

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[trail whale]

this is a doubles ou team, go to the #1059655497587888158 thread

[wooden linden]

ok so this is singles not doubles

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/fbf38b296ebe3585 with bulky hazard stack in mind but the ghost resist is kinda frail or lacking

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

or just kinda want another pivot with meow>weav

but weav cleans better and better against gambit

idk if util clef also works here but twave gives me a better speed control cuz weav is kinda slow

[limber spear]

ting lu works better than clod here i think but i want to use clod cuz its the stat of the show

[somber sapphire]

You might want a rater to get to this stuff

[stone sierra]

Bruh

[limber spear]

but like clod only out classes ting lu in recovery

and stats typing and stuff it loses

ok maybe not typing

[limber spear]

bumb

[nocturne sable]

I mean tbh this is nearly just a sample team with clodsire instead of ting Lu.

There is a reason why moose is used. Everything here gets 2hkoed by Tera ghost banded pult.

[limber spear]

tbh i can just tera cha and sap it

just a tera trade

but no switch in is tough

what could i do then

tera dark in smth?

i can try gambit over wake and then use knock on clef over flame

[carmine oak]

scarf dhengo as dragon resist is uh

[stone sierra]

You are a little bit late

[carmine oak]

i was sent there for whatever reason

[short oasis]

https://pokepast.es/14f95eeae6c56c4f

I have been ysing sd on scizor but idk if u turn would be better here

[gritty lake]

3/6 on unviable mons

[short oasis]

Also yes im removing thunder on magneton idk why it had it

[short oasis]

Thats already alot in my book😎

Btw specs boomburst dudunsparce legit carries half my games

Its hilarious

[gritty lake]

It's also probably garbage

[obtuse harness]

if i were to make a team around kanto tauros how would i do it

hes my fav mon

[limber spear]

comp gen should be a better place

#comp-general

[obtuse harness]

oh yeah im just talking about normal ou

[nocturne sable]

Tauros should be legal in Gen 9 since it had a regional form there

[limber spear]

let me fix that rq

[cold cosmos]

clodsire fan v2

[wispy mortar]

Is this team built okay? Does it make sense to just outright replace some things with a better option for the same purpose (I was thinking maybe araquanid > toxapex for a special waller, not sure about the toxapex). I am worried the team might be too bulky.

I understand the smarter route would be to use a 1:1 sample team, but I want to try teambuilding with some pokemon I liked, and if the team is viable enough im happy to run with it, though I wouldnt want to run with options that are just objectively not great/doesnt work well/hinders me from winning

[limber spear]

your pexy is missing evs

[wispy mortar]

wasnt sure what to run, but imagine its hp spd and some def

[limber spear]

!shareteam

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

this should make your team easier to see

for other raters

[wispy mortar]

https://pokepast.es/d5b6532d9a31fd3c

ty

[regal ginkgo]

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[somber sapphire]

Maybe some fairy coverage could work.

[limber spear]

ghost resist is missing

[somber sapphire]

Yea that too

[low phoenix]

Try slowking Galar over toxapex and kingambit over corviknight

[wispy mortar]

guessing the justification for slowking galar is its more threatening towards fairy than toxapex (which is important since two dragons)? kingambit over corviknight makes a lot of sense for coverage and swapping some bulk for offense

[limber spear]

gambit is bc u need a ghost resist while gloking gives more breaking power and pivot i guess

[low phoenix]

its a defensive pivot that can help bring in your breaker in dragapult

kingambit gives you a ghost/dark switchin that works in the more offensive team you are going for

[low phoenix]

toxpex doesnt really do anything on your team apart from sap momentum away

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/ed3c6770e154e519
thoughts/improvements

[spiral wedge]

Off of first glance it looks like ho with a dozo

Id probably throw an av guy over dozo

& make hatt either hwish or av asw

Ur fine into zama alr with tusk/ghold/hatt

& gambit too with dnite/tusk

Although roost/encore/sub dnite might work better, or even greeding another item > boots

Defensively tusk looks a little annoying to switch into rn

Maybe av mola? Helps vs wake asw as tisk

Honestly, maybe even swap hatt for something else & make dozo araq & make it webs

That also patches some of the defensive holes while letting some of these mons do their job better

[regal ginkgo]

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[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/5f8bc4117241fffc

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would just make the Dozo primarina and make the hatterene a kingambit or something

[nocturne sable]

Make raging bolt weather ball over volt switch and make it life orb

Make venu earth power over giga drain

If you want to pivot around you can make hatterene eject pack and make walking wake wise glasses with flip turn. With wise glasses wake you can still secure 0hkos on the likes of Ghold and gambit with weather ball

Tusk should be temper flare over knock off here and ice spinner over cc

[stone sierra]

This is just a sample team with 1 mon changed

https://pokepast.es/1dbfebbc7a38115b

[hollow perch]

Yeah

[stone sierra]

:/

[faint vortex]

https://pokepast.es/b4e42a00a35fe8e0

[gritty lake]

Ground immunity

[stone sierra]

Team is super slow, no long term gholdengo answers, and no ground immunity

[faint vortex]

What can I do to solve these issues?

Scarf lando perhaps

[stone sierra]

Not really confident posting advice bc I’m worried it might be wrong

[faint vortex]

I understand, I am open to any feedback though

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/b904f09b75ee912b

[stone sierra]

Where are your kyurem switch ins

Gambit is one read away from being toasted

[gritty lake]

It's offence

[gritty lake]

I'm just realising

This is a sample

But with chomp>glim

💔

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/b9c09720f7ba62e3 surely chomp isnt replaceable here right

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

its corv bait for dnite and kingambit

and can do good damage to lu to benefit moth

maybe a bit gambit weak

[clever berry]

Outrage is horrible

Scale Shot is always better

[clever berry]

Yeah coz Enamorus over Valiant

[gritty lake]

its not better for breaking tusk

[clever berry]

You break Tusk, after which Valiant gets a free setup turn

Dragonite does the breaking

[gritty lake]

dragonite is being broken for

or ig eq is already doing the job against tusk

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 335-395 (90.2 - 106.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[clever berry]

Yeah

Plus idk why Tusk is a problem when Dnite is Fairyblast

Dondozo is more of a question

[gritty lake]

chomp is there to break tusk pech corv etc

which it is pretty good at

https://pokepast.es/ad72a88e0e2d71b5 so yeah

feels a bit weak into stall

mixed encore val maybe is the move here?

[elder knoll]

Scale shot + LO isn’t real

Either outrage if you wanna break or scale shot + dice for sweeping

[gritty lake]

oh come on now

people first say

dice is not good use lorb

and now lorb isnt good use dice

[stone sierra]

Trust stork he’s goated

[clever berry]

Outrage seems so wack

You let Valiant setup for free

Or force a trade at best if opps have Weavile or Pult to revenge Kill

[tacit bluff]

nah outrage is fine

if the opponent doesn't have a decent dragon resist its dropping nearly everything

its used more as an endgame thing

albeit dragon claw is more common p sure

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/898c04f3a057540f

CB Dragapult balance

My biggest issue with this team is that it loses to nasty plot Ghold

Ghold can take a Dragapult attack with tera and then OHKO it after, and it has a lot of chances to recover after

I was thinking about replacing Tyranitar with Ting Lu, but then I lose sand storm chip and knock off support

[stone sierra]

You lack a ground type and your ghost resist is chunked by make it rain

I happen to know a moose that’s pretty good in your existing defensive core and covers both of those issues

[stone sierra]

Sand chip is not it tbh

[frozen spoke]

checks name

Yeah Lu was calling out to me but it was hard to accept him 😭

I just dunno where I’m gonna squeeze knock off

Unless I remove flamethrower from Clefable and opt for knock off

[nocturne sable]

This team is super passive outside of Cb pult and has no way of properly breaking down ghost types like gholdengo, etc

Some of these mons you don’t really need here, Ttar, Mola, etc are droppable, make you defense core Corv, ting Lu and glowking and drop Ttar and Mola for strong breakers like Kyurem, Ogerpon, etc

[frozen spoke]

Ahh alrighty

I thought Mola was essential because of wish but honestly might’ve been me overthinking things

Thank you for the help!

[frozen spoke]

I’m going for Ogerpon and Latios, would these be good picks for wallbreakers?

Ogerpon for the physical walls like Alomomola, Garg, and defensive Tusk, and Latios as my special wallbreaker.

[nocturne sable]

CorvLuking as defense core

Ogerpon-pult-cinderace could work as a core if you want to keep pult. Ogerpon and pult are pretty flexible as mons so you can adjust their sets based on what you experience on ladder.

Latios tends to fit on Hazard stacking BO teams imo

[frozen spoke]

Ahh okay

Thank you for the help, appreciate it!

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/0ca679fd60aa3f35 tried a bulky offense hazard stack.

[regal ginkgo]

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[somber sapphire]

thinking about changing out pecharunt for slowking-galar for a spdef wall

[elder knoll]

Your hazard stack

doesn’t have a knocker

Or a reliable knock absorber

[somber sapphire]

i was gonna go for scizor as the knocker but then changed my mind
there anyone to replace with scizor?

I don't wanna replace chomp...

[limber spear]

why is gliscor tera ground 😭

[elder knoll]

Your knocker should be able to beat common knocker absorbers

Gliscor, Corv, Skarm, Clef

[somber sapphire]

Deadass forgot to change it. Probably will

[limber spear]

does knock krai and gliscor work

[elder knoll]

knock Krai works yeah

[somber sapphire]

I’ll have to go with that instead

[clever berry]

Ogerpon-W then

[wispy mortar]

Is there a space for people to review replays? I can imagine its less common since you cant really just glance at a replay, theres a lot of nuance that goes into every decision. just won the first match im really proud of using a team i got advice on building in here 🎊
https://pokepast.es/8de7713a9b768a0a

always down to hear how i coulda done better, and how I can make better use of my own pokemon and filling their roles, since i can always rely on playing around my pokemon I ought to make good decisions with them. theres tons i dont know. ive been getting bodied lol. this guy also might have just been pretty bad, not sure
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2420014333-hs9392i86vfcgntwakkd4g61anaijh8pw

[nocturne sable]

From a glance this seems like pretty standard BO.

Me personally though I would be more greedy with the dnite and make it a dragon dance sweeper set with tera fire punch and encore. I think your team would appreciate additional ways to pressure the likes of corviknight, etc

Also I would make low kick over kowtow for ting Lu, weavile, samu and other dark types.

I think I would also make pult tera ghost for stronger shadow balls over Tera dragon.

you can do replay reviews in #comp-general if you want to learn on how you could have played better.

FWIW this isn’t really the best gameplay. Your opponent brought a pretty questionable team as it’s a veil team with random defense mons like skarmory and Blissey for some reason, I think you had the advantage in the mu though I think the match could have gone better.

In the early phases you got your hatterene to +4 on the Blissey but instead of clicking psyshock you kept going for the calm mind when Blissey was chipping you with seismic toss. You should have started clicking psyshock when you were at +2 tbh as it easily chipped blissey.

And how you handled the tusk could have been better. switching in dnite on tusk is not the play at all especially when tusk is considered a dnite soft check, you should have swapped pult there for the rapid spin which I think was obvious. Your pult was at full hp so you could easily live one headlong rush if they clicked it.

Also why did you burn your Tera on the tusk?? Ice spinner is never killing great tusk even at +1. You don’t want to be needlessly burning Tera like that as your Tera timing is game defining.

Also on the Ogerpon Tera there was no reason to let pult stay on it after it Sword danced. You should have just sacked Hatt then put pult back in and kill with Draco.

Armarouge could have potentially won if it wasn’t poisoned in my opinion.

This is low ladder at its finest though so not much to expect with good plays

TLDR: gameplay could be better but team looks pretty decent 👍

[wispy mortar]

lol a lot of it is me just kind of trying things to learn what to expect, i genuinely just odnt know what im doing or how to respond to certain threats. i definitely calmed minded atleast one too many times on hatterene.

is tera ghost > dragon because draco meteor is more easily/obviously walled by fairy?

i tera'd tusk bc i was scared of his tusk sweeping me after being bulked up, i figured i would survive a hit if i tera'd since itd go from super to not effective and then id be able to chip his tusk, enough for a sucker punch to kill.

i swapped into dragonite to avoid headlong rush, but yeah rapid spin was the better option for him. i wouldnt have expected dragapult to survive a headlong rush, so ill try to experiment with scary switching in but im worried ill just lose people for free lol

what tera's would you have looked for, im guessing kingambit later for the random ghost switch?

thank you for the feedback btw !

[nocturne sable]

Dragapult easily 0hkos tusk especially with specs so that’s the first thing you should’ve swapped

Tera ghost over dragon is mostly because shadow ball is more consistent and more spammable than Draco meteor that risks special attack drop+blanking into fairies

Even though ice spinner is super effective it is not stab on tusk and great tusk in general has a high defense stat so it’s not dying to ice spinner. Could’ve accomplish the same

In terms of Tera’s that could have been used I could definitely see Tera grass glowking being useful here, especially on the great tusk clicking headlong rush then you could hit it back with psychic noise

I do understand where you’re coming from though, it used to happen to me where I didn’t know what to do when a certain threat came in and I ended up throwing the match. The more ladder experience you get the easier it is to navigate stuff like these

[elder knoll]

Shuca is also an option

[raven tangle]

https://pokepast.es/d00371a5a85abe4d what is a good fith pokemon for this team

[regal ginkgo]

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[limber spear]

they only do finished team here go to #comp-general

for unfinished team

also webs is only good in hyper offense where u don’t need defensive walls

(such as corv and util scor)

[elder knoll]

Defog webs

[limber spear]

same logic as double defog stall(joke) (sets hazard and removes yourself via defog)

[faint vortex]

https://pokepast.es/3ce38805bdd82dd2 Need advice on this team. Has had good results , but always looking to improve.

[regal ginkgo]

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[faint vortex]

@regal ginkgo

Ahh there we go lol

[empty verge]

Corv > Garg and put rocks > knock on tusk

Prob

No flying type is

Well

[trail whale]

yh you really need a ground resist

[wooden linden]

I'd prob just compress garg and tusk into rocks lu here

Then smth like a corv

Though tbh i dont like the kyu here

Maybe weav or rai over it instead

[empty verge]

Yeah I agree

I just wasn’t hesitant to change too much lmao

[faint vortex]

Would something like this work? I built this team a while ago but it sucked lol. Swapped in scizor, took out tinkaton

https://pokepast.es/5a31724dd7cecbf5

@fluid talon @trail whale

[trail whale]

well, youre using a hazard stack with Defog Corv and Pokemon that like to pivot in CB Scizor, even though its vulnerable to hazards itself. I think you'll get a lot more out of something like Dragonite > Corviknight and a rocker inplace of Scizor, Clefable works well to keep some form of match up into Iron Valiant.

[faint vortex]

fair, I was hoping to build a team around CB scizor. Guess I need to go back to the drawing board

[faint vortex]

Can I ask what kind of team I should build around CB scizor? I followed smogon, coming up on what I showed earlier

[trail whale]

its better on more offensive teams Id say, the team above is quite slow paced so Scizor's momentum gaining ability is less effective

[faint vortex]

Like HO, or even bulky offense?

[trail whale]

Offense/Bulky Offense
smth with pivots and great damage output would be a good description

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/d3fcdab15ed4da67 pls let this be good

[stone sierra]

Where Kyurem switch in

[gritty lake]

It's offence man

[stone sierra]

Sub tect kyurem gets 1 sub off and a mon is dead

[gritty lake]

Not every team can be bothered with trying to check everything defensively

[stone sierra]

Yes but literally every single mon gets hit super effectively by either ep or freeze dry

4 mons are 4x weak

[gritty lake]

And who is it coming in on

To fire off the attacks

[fluid talon]

Why me

[stone sierra]

Lando

[stone sierra]

Rater named wildfire, ig they misclicked a ping

[clever berry]

Gambit can be Air Balloon

Scale Shot should be with Loaded Dice

@gritty lake

[trail whale]

chomp should be pult*

[clever berry]

Also could do Glimmora over Lando

Maybe even Treads

[clever berry]

DDance Pult is in SV OU?

[gritty lake]

then id just use kyurem

this is something chomp can do

[clever berry]

50 bp with LO

[gritty lake]

breaking so much for gambit and corv

[clever berry]

100 bp with Dice

[trail whale]

Specs Pult as a breaker, to make the team less Lando + 5 hyper offense mons

[clever berry]

its Hyper Offense

But yeah

This thuds into unawares

[trail whale]

I refuse to believe people put lando on ho teams

[clever berry]

Then use a different mon LMAO
Tbh I think Scale Shot Chomp is best on Veil HO
Chomp has bulk - Veil increases it even more

[gritty lake]

just use gliscor

[clever berry]

Very different use case

Chomp has power

Gliscor cleans better

You can even use both together

[gritty lake]

gliscor also eventually gets very powerful

[clever berry]

Type stacking is very common on HO

[gritty lake]

garchomp aint it for veil

when there are better options

[clever berry]

Then its for nothing
LMFAO

TankChomp or nothing

I refuse to believe Scale Chomp can't work

[gritty lake]

me too

[clever berry]

It may not be its SS level

[gritty lake]

but everyone says it doesnt

every sv ou rater has told me at one point

[clever berry]

I think Scale Chomp's main issue is Dozo and Tusk to an extent

It needs Hazard Stack + Knock off support

So Samurott-H is good partner

[gritty lake]

tusk gets nuked by lorb

and stall is dogshit

[clever berry]

Stall is dogshit
But it is HO's worst matchup

[gritty lake]

sd garchomp+adamant ogerpon is somethimg ive been wanting to build

but it wont work most likely

[clever berry]

Dondozo sees use on Fat Balance as a Wincon btw

Enamorus is a problem for SD Chomp too

Valiant to an extent as well

It can tera ofc

But that's not a guaranteed solution

I think pair Chomp with SD Moonblast Valiant

SD to bait in Dozo

Moonblast to beat it

[gritty lake]

ive tried everything you can think of

[clever berry]

Who are chomp

[gritty lake]

everyone told me it doesnt work

[clever berry]

you can prove them wrong

[gritty lake]

nah

[clever berry]

I tried it out
Yeah
Its not worth it
Its certainly not bad
Issue is that it is outclassed by DD Dragonite and Bulk Up Tusk in builder

Dragonite's typing is better vs Ogerpon-W - who has limited checks as it is

Bulk up Tusk provides more utility

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2420639288
@gritty lake enjoy

[faint vortex]

I'm gonna try making something out of that. Thanks

[nocturne sable]

In all fairness he does have encore Val so Kyu doesn’t really sub for free

[nocturne sable]

That’s some bum ass replay bro clicked ice spinner on the Tera fire tusk 😭😭😭

[worn lark]

how bad did i do, bulky offense built around loaded dice dragonite and specs iron crown https://pokepast.es/157b037f7d44c1e4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

i like spamming pivot moves and momentum :p

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/63c8de1a864a5aef

aight how is this bulkpon team looking

still thinking if my physical breaking core is aight and the stall mu

[nocturne sable]

You have that greedy ass Ogerpon set stall MU should be fine

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/2cdb91250db63cfd

V2

Of ogerpon veils

almost identical to the sample tbh but i wanted a reliably physdef core and darkrai was the only guy i could think of that could serve as a sp.attacker for my kind of team

if i still need a ground perhaps booster attack treads can work over hatt?

[worn lark]

not teambuilding advice but what specifically is the 172 spdef on ceru for?

and careful

[swift forum]

it's max while still keeping 84 speed which outspeeds gliscor

[worn lark]

mkay

[faint vortex]

Hello all, I am trying to build a bulky offense pivot heavy team centered around CB Scizor. This is what I've come up with so far: https://pokepast.es/ad36f567177fd0da

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

I'd prob put a pech in this team somewhere with the spikes wellspring and rocks tusk

Maybe over prim since spdef molt already handles most special attackers

[nocturne sable]

This team looking pretty weak to opposing woger so pech makes sense yea

[wooden linden]

Oh also no ghost resist here really sucks

Thinking a gambit would work here over bolt or scizor

[faint vortex]

I want to keep scizor, removing bolt or gambit gives me 4 physical attackers. Will that be a problem?

Unless I go darkrai

Actually would hydreigon be good? Figured it would be a fun mon to try in OU which I have never done

[wooden linden]

Darkrai can work yeah

Hydreigon doesnt really work on this team here since the team is pretty slow outside of priority

[faint vortex]

I was thinking of making it scarf

[wooden linden]

Hydrei isnt strong enough without a boost

Plus it gets stuffed by any half way decent fairy

[faint vortex]

Modest scarf won't pack enough heat?

[faint vortex]

With Moltres and Scizor, I think I would handle fairies decent

Oh also pech

[wooden linden]

Not at all

[wooden linden]

You let them in for free is the thing

You let prim in and you have nothing to switch in for example

[faint vortex]

I gave it u-turn

[faint vortex]

That is a fair point tho, my team does seem weak to prim

[wooden linden]

Doesnt help all that much tbh

Youre still slower and still not that strong

Just use rai if you want a strong scarf mon atp

[faint vortex]

Fair enough. though primarina may still be a problem I may have to adjust for later

I will try it out

[wooden linden]

Sludge rai at least chips it ok enough

And pech can use maligant and can take 1 move from prim minimum

[faint vortex]

Ok well then I will test the changes. thank you for your advice @wooden linden

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/73b0d06d0df0bbfa

I made an ogerpon grass hazard stack
Its fast since it gets +1 speed

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Drop heatran for glowking for a proper water switchin. Make Gweez Tera grass for waterpon and make ting Lu Tera water.

Also think you can drop tusk here. It’s overlapping with a lot of stuff here like zama, Lu etc. drop tusk for a proper flying type so you have a ground resist. I’m thinking Zapdos can work here.

Other than that this is like pretty standard fatty balance

[wooden linden]

Hi! i decided to improve your team here
https://pokepast.es/7ee108bc314e8e2d

zama and gweezing were mostly redundant imo since the team is very solid against physical attackers already, so it was a bit of overkill

so i made it pech+scarf enam so it still has solid speed control outside of tera while also having a second pivot and having a very strong wellspring check

i also added cc on tusk for a strong stab option and rock tomb on ogerpon to hit moltres and zapdos

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic. I thought it would have been easier to pivot to a more fatter balance but this one is better I think

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my take on a Choice Band Scizor + Primarina Balance team
https://pokepast.es/97c30bbab8cdd57f
I would greatly appreciate feedback on what i can improve on, as well as a rating from 1-10 on how good the team is.

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/fa3972a962bfc223

[somber sapphire]

Team doesn’t have a reliable spinner/defogger

Or a heavy-duty boots wearer

So hazards might be a problem for you

But I’d personally go tusk over boom for the hazard remover

[limber spear]

it’s webs hyper offense i think

might not need a removal cuz he can overwhelm with webs and breakers

[somber sapphire]

Alright

He’s got webs

Should be fine without the hazard removal

[low phoenix]

i like kingambit over rillaboom

will help you matchup vs ghosts better

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/cc3d81fd98387c55 got a lil wild on the names

[regal ginkgo]

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[somber sapphire]

but I made a sun team

[placid yarrow]

On defensive tork just run lava plume
It allows you to have utility midgame even after rocks chip
Or if you are running the old srn set if you wanna run an offensive spread(that fell out of favor awhile back) run overheat to kill glowking

If you want a ghost type or a 2nd dragon type in pult's slot I suggest a life orb set with raging bolt or a solar blade swords dance set with ceruledge

Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 SpD
Quiet Nature

• Eruption
• Overheat
• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock

Oh right this set exists
But uhhh eruption is for offensive

The modernized version

Use this one if you wanna eruption up

[placid yarrow]

Or not even solar blade if you don't want
You can run the usual stuff like cc/poltergeist

For the corv slot
I suggest kingambit for a bulky steel type deal
Or a slither wing for some good ol' pivoting

[somber sapphire]

I'll lose my ground immunity tho...

[placid yarrow]

You can air balloon gambit
Or air balloon hatt
That's what the samples do for example

[somber sapphire]

I'll have to run air ballon gambit then

[placid yarrow]

Sun is about brute strengthing stuff
Corv is alrightish on sun however you ideally want as much power as you can get

[somber sapphire]

is air balloon + swords dance fine? something like sucker punch sweep late-game

after boost

i was thinking about knock off instead of kowtow for knocker privileges...

[placid yarrow]

Ofc

Kingambit runs that often

[placid yarrow]

9ou gambit does not have knock

[somber sapphire]

i'll have to not run it then

[amber terrace]

Hi this is my take on a Choice Band Scizor + Primarina Balance team
https://pokepast.es/97c30bbab8cdd57f
I would greatly appreciate feedback on what i can improve on, as well as a rating from 1-10 on how good the team is.

[limber spear]

might as well make tusk 252attsck and turn it into an offence team

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/954cf210c2976558
what think we

[gritty lake]

Gliscor could be used somewhere here

[cold cosmos]

but its not

hah

[gritty lake]

[stone sierra]

Lots of rates today https://pokepast.es/3cec9f3549339ce9

[trail whale]

I think air balloon Gambit is no where near sufficient enough for a ground resist on a team that wants to pivot this much, would highly recommend Dragonite > Raging Bolt to cover your bases and maintain your offensive Wellspring resist. I'd also probably run AoA Zamazenta here, it really appreciate the immidiete pressure and immunity to chip damage on a team like this. sweeping is done more consistently by Dragonite and Kingambit anyway

DWB is bad on Scizor, run Close Combat to hit Steels like Kingambit more effectively

[static cypress]

https://pokepast.es/5c8defe807dabc78

[regal ginkgo]

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[somber sapphire]

What play style are you aiming for first

[static cypress]

Stall garganacl, dragon dance setup dragonite for Tera normal boosted extreme speed so dragonite is like a Sweeper, great Tusk is a Bulky physical attacker with rapid spin that gets rid of hazards and Stealth Rock for a bit of setup. He's normally my lead, stall clodsire with unaware and recover to stay on the field longer and haze to get rid of pesky stat boosts in case I wanna switch out, ceruledge Sweeper/revenge killer, maushold with encore and Taunt to basically annoy ppl and stop stat boosts and also has good speed for speed control

Wow that's a lot of text

[elder knoll]

😭

So balance?

[somber sapphire]

I think either stall or balance

I don’t remember

[elder knoll]

Weakness policy Dragonite

is not stall

Nor is Maushold

[limber spear]

jirachi stork

[somber sapphire]

Who even uses maushold on stall😭 😭

[limber spear]

it’s not stall 👍🏻

[somber sapphire]

It must be balance

[limber spear]

ceru and tusk in stall

it’s defo balance

[somber sapphire]

Yea it’s balance

[limber spear]

the style is between stall(?) and balance which seems to be more balance like so depends on which style u want to convert into

but tbf the walls aren’t even common stall mons

balance might be the better way

[low phoenix]

I feel like you’re new so I’ma go gentle on you but this is not a stall team at all

You need to learn the various teamstyles before actually trying to teambuild

Check out these teams instead to get an idea of what good teamstyles actually look like

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[covert minnow]

how do you do that exactly

[somber sapphire]

by looking at stall teams

mainly samples

[low phoenix]

theres a stall team as one of the samples

play with the teams and get a feel of how they operate and play

a good youtuber to learn from is pinkacross

[stuck wren]

https://pokepast.es/7c8e6459a12245f6

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

I swear this looks like a sample team. But it’s whatever

Bolt should be specs for breaking power

[limber spear]

specs bolt one?

that one had donbozo

[nocturne sable]

All these glowkingacelucorv teams look the same

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/883fb962498fc5a6

dozo for wellspring

[elder knoll]

There was a raging bolt version as well

which is what he was referring to

[limber spear]

there’s a specs bolt one?

[elder knoll]

yeah

it was from the last sample slate

Im personally not a fan of that team since there’s really no win con

I think the version that used fairy gambit was better

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/999f4123b7a772e8

in fact u r all correct

it’s the same 6

it’s just specs bolt for bolts with boots

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/b42ddbfe8583fe37

[regal ginkgo]

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[swift forum]

only corv as removal with a lokix is probably not enough, if you face a hazard stack with ghold it'll probably not go well. dozo also doesn't really fit on this team, alo would be a lot better since this is supposed to be a pivot spam, and dozo completely kills your momentum. if you really want an answer to physical setup sweepers you can use id corv or toxic on gliscor, or both. to fix the removal issue i'd change glowking to weezing, and you can go av alo for a spdef mon.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/54bf352049ea9003 specs prima seems to hit hard so i tried to build with it (thanks in advance for suggestions

[viral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/e5a98876840d0dd7 any tips? pecharunt has some ok switchins but then feels like it does nothing, was thinking of swapping out for hydrapple, okidogi or some other tanky threat. maybe darkrai?

[limber spear]

besides 6’0ed by kyurem em u don’t have ghost resist

unless u r ho which in some cases don’t care about defensive profiles

[viral ruin]

kinggambit or lokix gives me ghost resist i suppose, lokix gives earth too + decent revenge

[limber spear]

tbh the team looks like offence

u can throw away lando and pech and switch tinka for a sack lead if u want to make it offence

[elder knoll]

hydro cannon…

If you’re running specs Prim I’d consider having a stronger backbone for Woger

Also you’ll want a guy to take advantage of Tera water glowing

[limber spear]

ic so i just add one grass type if i get it correctly

btw stork

[somber sapphire]

I don't think this team has water coverage so it hurts your matchup against dondozo, alomomola and other water-types.

[prisma jolt]

hello

i'm lowkey new to this server

[limber spear]

they aren’t rlly that specially bulky so some times future port and moon blast can break

tbh i can add hydrapple

[somber sapphire]

hydrapple would be a replacement here for one of your team members. I don't remember which one.

[limber spear]

prolly need to redo

could throw away slowking for it

then lu> gambit cuz we have win con

[somber sapphire]

a good nasty plot hydrapple set might be a great glowking replacement

[limber spear]

but i might be doomed if i face kyurem

dd variation

[somber sapphire]

ehh you got moonblast so it's not gonna be that big of a deal. You also have body press which is good

[limber spear]

i want to covert it into a bo tho

[limber spear]

bp can’t fit on np sets

[prisma jolt]

i made this team for wifi battles sv but it is ou: orthworm, meowscarada, frosmoth, golem, veluza, ceruledge.

[limber spear]

u can go to #comp-general for more intrusion

[prisma jolt]

ah. aight

[somber sapphire]

hydrapple can't learn body press tho

[limber spear]

it can i think

yes it does

tbh i can make gambit stay

[somber sapphire]

yea never give it body press when it has nasty plot
corv has good physical defense so body press can stay on there

[limber spear]

i will try to change it to a bo

maybe i remove corv

for dnite

and pult for some other speed control

[low phoenix]

Wi-Fi battles and smogon aren’t comparable

[stuck wren]

oh thats mb i stole it from someone on ladder

[low phoenix]

Smogon allows you to have any Pokémon with perfect stats and movesets on demand which is much harder to achieve in Wi-Fi battles

[limber spear]

u can use the sample team which is proven to be good

[stuck wren]

yeah i will

[limber spear]

u can just grab this and it should be fine

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/5123a73b257871bd i did some minor changes to try to make it bo

[regal ginkgo]

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[atomic mango]

https://pokepast.es/db0a45939b840f97 should i drop great tusk for a defogger

[stuck hemlock]

is this team okay/viable or shud i change it

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[somber sapphire]

Please use pokepaste next time
next, spidops isn't viable in OU

also

foul play
over kowtow?

LMAO

[elder knoll]

I mean a webs setter is a webs setter

[nocturne sable]

This is not that bad of a start. This can easily be a solid web team if you made a few changes. Like rimbombee>>spidops, make gholdengo air balloon and yea run standard gambit set

[elder knoll]

if they really want it

[limber spear]

is no speed tusk ok on webs

also it’s no u turn pult + a wash on webs

[somber sapphire]

I think there are better web setters than spidops. particularly araquanid
and better bug types like scizor

[nocturne sable]

Oh I didn’t even see that, yea the mons aren’t that bad it’s just the sets if they made them standard then add mons like ribombee, enamorus, etc over rotom and spidops

[limber spear]

it’s also the fat dengo set on a webs

but should be fine

[low phoenix]

Just use araquanid or ribombee

Also i think using sample teams would be better cuz most of these sets just don’t work together very well

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[amber terrace]

Hi, this is my take on a Choice Specs Dragapult Offense team
https://pokepast.es/6c95d7bd052c2806
I would greatly appreciate any criticism in order to improve my team, thank you.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

zapdos>bolt

[somber sapphire]

Yea zapdos makes it a great replacement here as having another ground immunity is always good

and it won't overlap with dragapult's dragon typing

[gritty lake]

make tusk boots and gambit leftovers

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/c5d81b6071dc2e90
Hi! Heres a refined version of your team i made real quick

Modest pult could be interesting but timid has better applications overall vs stuff like zama

Bolt didnt have much of a need so i added zapdos over it as a another pivot here

[amber terrace]

I see, thank you so much!!

[clever berry]

Could even do T Wave on Glowking to make it a paraspam

Ogerpon-W and Gambit love that

[somber sapphire]

https://pokepast.es/230e30c386514787 My take on a life orb blaziken HO team

any suggestions?

[stuck hemlock]

okay

[tame laurel]

https://pokepast.es/5c848900341c6edd rate my hazard stack team pls

[regal ginkgo]

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[elder knoll]

I would go for Lu > Glim for an actual ghost resist

[tame laurel]

alr

[elder knoll]

Hi Cala

[magic dome]

lu also has more longevity than sash glimm

youd have three ground types then so im not sure about lu here

[elder knoll]

I was gonna suggest sacking one of them and a ghost

[tame laurel]

yeah i was trying to figure out some way i can get an ice resist

[elder knoll]

Have you considered converting this into a boots spam?

[tame laurel]

i suppose i could do that

[elder knoll]

You’d be able to drop the tusk then

[tame laurel]

but i mean i still would like some breaking potential in case my hazards get cleared

as a last resort

[elder knoll]

I mean we can add a boots Zama onto to the team

[magic dome]

something like hexpult can run boots and break well enough here

[elder knoll]

if you decide to go that route

[tame laurel]

very true

[tame laurel]

oh ye

so i can drop tusk for zama?

[somber sapphire]

You lack fighting coverage

btw

[tame laurel]

ya

[elder knoll]

Yeah

then you could go a Tink over Ghold

and a go for a SD Gliscor

[tame laurel]

also would you recommend using roar on zama to make more use of my hazards

[somber sapphire]

you could maybe go for swords dance + earthquake

[elder knoll]

4th slot should be cover what you’re weak to

so if you feel like you’re weak to Gliscor go ice fang

[somber sapphire]

but this team as enough rock coverage

[elder knoll]

or heavy slam for fairy

if you think you don’t need either then you can go for roar

[tame laurel]

ight

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/689839eccb546cbd

[nocturne sable]

If you want to run Gterrain then you kinda have to commit your team to it otherwise rillaboom is a dead slot

Also the synergy and direction of this team isn’t really clear, what are you going for exactly?

[deep locust]

Like a bulky offense centered around Volcanion

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/3c76ebc17371e674 i tried

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic. The core of Volc-corv-king is already fine imo. Just drop rillaboom and raging bolt for like cinderace(pivot set) and weavile.

I also think you should change volcanion to boots as it would be annoying to lock into a water move with Ogerpon-wellspring coming in

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/fcca7ab7049d5902

[regal ginkgo]

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[gritty lake]

Where's the hazards

[stone sierra]

Can just go rocks on tusk

Might need to go cc on it tbh

[nocturne sable]

Enam as your only flying resist is risky especially when your team is not really HO

[stone sierra]

Ngl I was considering goltres as a ghost resist

[nocturne sable]

I also feel like this team gets 6-0ed by woger. Especially when it Tera waters

[spiral wedge]

I dont think the 6 is bad at all but I feel like you have a hard time choosing between wanting to be offense & slower tempo team here, I'd recommend making enam 3a sub (superpower, blast, ep) + drop lorb for something else, tusk boots (optional tbh) + tera steel for common tblast dnites, scizor banded for revenge killing (or sd lorb), and since you do need a proper wincon, making dragapult sub dd darts tblast fire covers that

So really lean into the offensive roots

Some suggestions (dropping lorb on enam, tusk boots) I think seem better for consistency vs stuff like ting lu or other hazard heavy teams but up to you

[hollow robin]

Is this a viable team and is there anything I should/could change?

[gritty lake]

Im dead beyond dead

[somber sapphire]

these sets are quite weird. Why is garchomp running stomping tantrum over earthquake? what is with talonflame's EV spread? just run one of the standard talonflame sets.

[hollow robin]

The team being bad is kinda why im asking for advice

[somber sapphire]

the iron hands set is also meant for VGC, not gen9ou.

[somber sapphire]

I was giving you advice this time tho. The sets are weird and you seem new so you should probably look at sample teams to understand about the tier better.

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hollow robin]

Thanks

[nocturne sable]

Is this for vgc or ou? Because there is a vgc channel here if you’re looking for it

[hollow robin]

I just went to the tier that everyone was saying this team would be decent on

[somber sapphire]

it's SV OU i'm afraid

[elder knoll]

This team is very doubles coded

With stuff like tect and stomping tantrum

Covert cloak tailwind

And protect on eveything

This might be a DOU team?

[somber sapphire]

scizor isn't running protect

[barren ridge]

They don’t seem to know what they are building for or want to ladder in

Yes ultimately it’s a doubles coded team so it doesn’t really belong here. If they want to play OU they’ve already been directed to samples. If not they’ve already been told what it looks like they’re wanting to play

[hollow robin]

It is

[elder knoll]

There’s a DOU channel if you’re looking for it

[hollow robin]

Oh, thanks then

[somber sapphire]

Your welcome.

[elder knoll]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

[deep locust]

Big presh for the advice