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lofty herald Jul 29, 2025, 3:22 AM

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kyurem breakks FAST i have saved replays of ts

elder knoll Jul 29, 2025, 3:22 AM

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yeah which is why they had an ace

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on these cores

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traditionally

lofty herald Jul 29, 2025, 3:23 AM

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on my last version i had hdb weavile with knock off

elder knoll Jul 29, 2025, 3:23 AM

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like this is super standard

lofty herald Jul 29, 2025, 3:23 AM

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but switched it out for zama cos it was frail

elder knoll Jul 29, 2025, 3:24 AM

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corv/glowking/ace/lu/kyurem

lofty herald Jul 29, 2025, 3:24 AM

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and lowkey barley did work fr

elder knoll Jul 29, 2025, 3:24 AM

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has had about

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a million variations

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with those five on every team

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lofty herald Jul 29, 2025, 3:26 AM

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i js made this new version havent ran into a ghold yet so I'll hit back and see whats popping wit it, maybe ill bring smt else in for corv depending how the team does vs ghold

clever berry Jul 29, 2025, 5:14 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c1953e750ea1b45a

low phoenix Jul 29, 2025, 5:45 AM

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clever berry https://pokepast.es/c1953e750ea1b45a

glimmora as your only hazard removal looks sus

clever berry Jul 29, 2025, 6:26 AM

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low phoenix glimmora as your only hazard removal looks sus

its ho bro

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you don't even need removal

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and i already have 1

north nimbus Jul 29, 2025, 6:49 AM

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clever berry https://pokepast.es/c1953e750ea1b45a

I think the problem is more so, I’m doing a ho with a squad with mons that don’t deny or just hazards overload which become an issue on its own, then again I wouldn’t even use glimmora in veil

clever berry Jul 29, 2025, 8:00 AM

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north nimbus I think the problem is more so, I’m doing a ho with a squad with mons that don’t...

So do I use a dual hazard setter over Glimm?

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Like Ting Lu?

limber spear Jul 29, 2025, 11:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f1078b547b83d3d7 i threw it into a lot of games and its maybe my fault but the problems are: - i team kinda wants a encore?(idk why , maybe my fault) - the defensive backbone is kinda weak esp to ground+ice moves and lacks valuable resistences -role compression is a bit too serious cuz like my mons have to handle like 2-3 roles in the team besides val (also could be me failing to find the right mon to sac and stuff) regarding the defensive issue , kyurem/valiant always forces a tera (also pivot dragapult sometimes). Might also be another my problem cuz i like strong defensive backbones.Hydrapple is pretty strange but people said its good , may i get some elaboration?(thanks in advance)

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 29, 2025, 11:53 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

jaunty granite Jul 29, 2025, 2:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cad0c57f5c651507

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I made this in like 5 minutes and did 3 battles last night

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the first guy is literally just there from watching a blunder vid at the time and feeling inspired cwl

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team's probably shit so idc too much

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weav shits on it so prob would need a better bulky water or zama > pult or smth

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 3:57 PM

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jaunty granite https://pokepast.es/cad0c57f5c651507

Not sure you need both thunder punch and super cell slam at the same time. I would opt for bulk up over Tpunch if you’re going down the physical route and make thundy prankster

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Also you can probably just go boots zama over pult if you’re struggling with weavile

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Also your pult MU might be a little shaky outside of Hamurott, especially mixed hex pult, maybe ting Lu might be an option for a sturdier pult check

jaunty granite Jul 29, 2025, 4:11 PM

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Lu over ham then?

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idk if I wanna stack double ground tho

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But I lack hazard control w/o tusk

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 4:44 PM

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jaunty granite idk if I wanna stack double ground tho

I mean you do have glowking for fairy (and technically) water resist. And you have grass resist in rilla thundy and glowking.

An alternative option is like maybe boots volcanion with some bulk Evs over glowking.

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Actually I think volcanion might have more potential here

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 6:38 PM

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jaunty granite But I lack hazard control w/o tusk

https://pokepast.es/5cbc44e8948ec76d I think maybe something could work. Hatt as hazard control+rilla for Hamurott leads

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Tera steel+nuzzle also an option for hatt you can consider

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 7:25 PM

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Team might be a little weak to kyurem so you can pivot to scizor>>>rilla and EQ>>spikes on ting Lu if you want and just make thundy boots

jaunty granite Jul 29, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Holy volcanion

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This looks fire I’ll take that for sure

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Ty

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 8:14 PM

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np, also can go Tera ghost on Lu if you want to spin block

stone sierra Jul 29, 2025, 11:10 PM

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nocturne sable Team might be a little weak to kyurem so you can pivot to scizor>>>rilla and EQ>...

Thundy gets the grassy seed boost? I thought it wouldn’t bc it’s a flying type

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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stone sierra Thundy gets the grassy seed boost? I thought it wouldn’t bc it’s a flying type

Huh, what does being a flying type have to do with getting a seed boost

stone sierra Jul 29, 2025, 11:14 PM

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nocturne sable Huh, what does being a flying type have to do with getting a seed boost

Doesn’t get affected by terrain

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 11:23 PM

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stone sierra Doesn’t get affected by terrain

But hawlucha is a flying type and gets the boost regardless

stone sierra Jul 29, 2025, 11:23 PM

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nocturne sable But hawlucha is a flying type and gets the boost regardless

Oh right idk why I forgot abt that

nocturne sable Jul 29, 2025, 11:24 PM

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Also I just tested it on showdown to make sure but thundy does get the boost

jaunty granite Jul 29, 2025, 11:58 PM

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Ye as long as terrain is active the seed triggers, thund just doesn’t get the healing

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 1:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4612b6a2aafb19fb https://pokepast.es/193877f7eb51eb8e two variation of the team em the first one is with more defense in mind while the second one is with more offense and stuff

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 30, 2025, 1:38 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 3:20 PM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/4612b6a2aafb19fb https://pokepast.es/193877f7eb51eb8e two v...

You can’t really switch into kyurem freeze dry

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:20 PM

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eh tera is the only option

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yeah i know that issue but like what can i do? there arent a lot of option out there

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(thats why there is rotom on the first team just to tera and check kyurem)

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and maybe some hazars support to prevent it from coming in that much\

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 3:42 PM

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Some common freeze dry switchins are mons like glowking

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:44 PM

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but i find it hard to fit in my team tho

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could be over pech

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Yea I think you can swap pech for gking

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b73ea1c39de5b3db like this?

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 3:46 PM

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and then for Dd kyurem you can potentially cripple it with washtom

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:46 PM

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i can burn it possibly

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Clear amulet treads?

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Is that for Garg?

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:48 PM

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no its for pech

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and stuff

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 3:48 PM

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Pretty clear amulet prevents mons from lowering stat stages

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:48 PM

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stops parting shout

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some times its useful for intim webs and stuff but mainly shout

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 3:51 PM

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nocturne sable Pretty clear amulet prevents mons from lowering stat stages

Oh I mixed that up

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Oops

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 3:51 PM

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The one that stops garg salt cure is covert cloak

limber spear Jul 30, 2025, 3:52 PM

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tbh do i run cloak on treads

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but cha can take it well

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or just other item on treads

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cuz if there isnt pech or lando its kinda a sitting duck

pallid coral Jul 30, 2025, 4:16 PM

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Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/1795661f7857530c

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 4:18 PM

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pallid coral Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/1795661f7857530c

No fliers?

pallid coral Jul 30, 2025, 4:18 PM

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stone sierra No fliers?

Why?

elder knoll Jul 30, 2025, 4:19 PM

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No removal

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😭

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 4:19 PM

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pallid coral Why?

It’s recommended to have them on every team that isn’t hyper offense unless you have a super bulky resist like sinistacha

elder knoll Jul 30, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Even Sinistcha

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is paired with stuff like Dnite

pallid coral Jul 30, 2025, 4:20 PM

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I got 1662 elo

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With the team

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 4:20 PM

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elder knoll Even Sinistcha

Sometimes I’m told that I don’t need a flier on some sinis teams but most of the time they have them

pallid coral Jul 30, 2025, 4:20 PM

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I use it all the time

swift forum Jul 30, 2025, 6:27 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f4786eea74364f6e this team is kinda weak to tspikes and kyurem and needs oger tera but I feel it's really powerful, also completely farms stall. it works fine in 1700s but is there a way to improve the team?

elder knoll Jul 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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No hazards

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🥀

swift forum Jul 30, 2025, 6:28 PM

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treads

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ok you mean setting

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yeah but i dont feel it needs hazards, it's powerful enough and the opponent can't switch around that easily

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plus i want every move and av on treads

candid trench Jul 30, 2025, 6:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ccf354bc10c3b18b
idk how this team is so let me know what to fix.

empty verge Jul 30, 2025, 6:55 PM

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swift forum https://pokepast.es/f4786eea74364f6e this team is kinda weak to tspikes and kyur...

Idk chief I respect the grind but this kinda looks all over the place

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Would uou mind telling me what the goal of the team is ?

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I can assist you from there

empty verge Jul 30, 2025, 6:57 PM

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candid trench https://pokepast.es/ccf354bc10c3b18b idk how this team is so let me know what to...

Questionable sets and Mon choices that’s jot even including the fact that these mons are just mashed together with no cohesion. I highly suggest checking the ou samples to build understanding on how to play a team and what you need to put one together.

empty verge Jul 30, 2025, 6:58 PM

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empty verge I can assist you from there

But tbh a lot of what I said below does apply to you as well

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Questionable sets items and move choices

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 6:59 PM

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empty verge Idk chief I respect the grind but this kinda looks all over the place

I think from a glance the team is like a Ursaluna team with wish mola to support it.

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But it doesn’t have the hazard control to fully support Ursa

empty verge Jul 30, 2025, 6:59 PM

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Right that was my thoughts but I wanted to see what they say first

swift forum Jul 30, 2025, 7:08 PM

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ursa is the main breaker ofc, oger allows me to beat a lot of ho, alo is a natural partner for luna, oger+luna synergizes well because they pressure birds, treads is for removal+spdef, ival is for having some special offense and priority, and dragonite is for kingambit and woger

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/28f5122bb6ea42bc

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 30, 2025, 8:38 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:40 PM

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This looks fine

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I think iron press corv might be a better fit here but you then lose your only pivot

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Is treads just here to rock?

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And get that extra hazard removal

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:43 PM

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tacit bluff And get that extra hazard removal

Yep

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And a fairy resist

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I wanted double removal so I could go lo hydrapple and scarf kyurem

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Yeah figured thats why but fairies should be fine here

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Opposing kyurem can definitely be annoying tho

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As can fire punch dnite

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Idk this team is like

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It looks fine

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But there's something idl about it

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Knock Tbolt moonblast Ival looks threatening

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Yeah for sure

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I'm just not too sure if I fw some of the mons here

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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I could go iron head av treads maybe?

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:46 PM

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Eh yeah not too bad a shout

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Gives you another pivot

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But i do think you want at least one entry hazard

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I'm honestly thinking gweezing could be a slot over corv

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Since gweezing clowns on iron valiant

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And it gives you guaranteed hazard control

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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tacit bluff But i do think you want at least one entry hazard

Ting

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Oh ur running double rock setters

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Then yeah make it av

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Yeah I overlooked that

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Fs

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Is hydrapple enough of a ground resist?

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Without corv I don’t have a flier

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:49 PM

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That's also why I was gonna suggest dropping glowking

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Since weezing does that fine

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Av torn instead?

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:50 PM

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And you need a special wall

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Yeah

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Methinks

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Less bulky fs

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And you have to be weary of kyurem

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But i think with av treads and gweezing plus a scarf kyurem to outrun and ohko opposing kyuren you should be chill

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But torn is good here

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Makes progress with knock asw

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And bleakwind can be clutch sometimes with that speed drop

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:52 PM

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And I can threaten corv

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Just expect to miss a fair bit

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Yeah heat wave melts it

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Didn’t really like the corv mu bc the only thing that could hit it was gking

tacit bluff Jul 30, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Mhm

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It shouldn't be too bad with torn

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Since corv isn't like

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Super threatening into this team as a whole

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It just walled off a lot

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Admittedly it's probably not any better or worse

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But I will say at least torn outruns corv

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So it can't just u turn out of the incoming heat wave

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:19 PM

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lowkey wanted to use a mon that can check ghold, is immune to ground, and can clear hazards, so then i thought "hmm talonflame"https://pokepast.es/5a244304c751ddc7

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you can replace taunt with roost or defog

wooden linden Jul 30, 2025, 9:20 PM

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Talon is really niche outside of like

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Really old stall teams

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Plus honestly ghold can still win since talon is so weak

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:21 PM

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hes a shitmon but ngl, i think it could rlly check top threats like ghold, gambit, tusk, and zama. Barring tera fire, wil-o-wisp/flame body rly cripples phys attackers

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:21 PM

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wooden linden Plus honestly ghold can still win since talon is so weak

run the calc for me rq what does overheat on this tflame build do?

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if u dont mind

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there are better options ofc

wooden linden Jul 30, 2025, 9:22 PM

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0 SpA Talonflame Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 236-278 (74.9 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:22 PM

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like molt, but i js think its a cool mon in concept

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:23 PM

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wooden linden 0 SpA Talonflame Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 236-278 (74.9 - 88.2%) -- ...

i dont hate it tbh, could also outspeed kyurem

wooden linden Jul 30, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Tbh you could prob replace zama with like treads

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Cuz you also dont have a steel type

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:23 PM

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i dont rlly use treads what build do u recommend?

wooden linden Jul 30, 2025, 9:23 PM

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Theres a couple of sets

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Usually its just max atk max speed with lefties

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:24 PM

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rapid spin eq?

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knock

wooden linden Jul 30, 2025, 9:25 PM

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spin eq ice spinner rocks prob

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you could take rocks out for knock though

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 9:25 PM

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ye i got rocks on ting

nocturne sable Jul 30, 2025, 9:26 PM

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lofty herald lowkey wanted to use a mon that can check ghold, is immune to ground, and can cl...

Honestly don’t think talonflame has a niche anymore

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Gweez is a more consistent removal and can defog regardless of dengo

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Better off running Moltres or something

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 10:10 PM

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talonflame actually cooked

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he does NOT deserve that ZU ranking he been disrespected this gen

low phoenix Jul 30, 2025, 10:49 PM

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Talonflame is ru not zu

lofty herald Jul 30, 2025, 10:55 PM

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so he is my bad

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read it wrong

stone sierra Jul 30, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Isn’t talon p good against HO

low phoenix Jul 30, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Talon has a niche in stall as a defogger that threatens Ghold + many physical mons in great tusk kingambit Lando t non stone edge zama etc

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Bring this to #comp-general

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 4:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b93a59d9472b914d

Building O hazard stack, any general tips? Defensively i seem to be pretty good besides the lack of a true phys/spec wall

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 31, 2025, 4:50 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 4:53 AM

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wait i forgot to change samurotts ability 1 sec

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fixed it

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:07 AM

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worn lark https://pokepast.es/b93a59d9472b914d Building O hazard stack, any general tips?...

Well for 1
Don't use 2 spikers
Make pon either pivot or sd

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:07 AM

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hm ok

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 AM

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2nd
Tera Grass moth without eball isn't exactly great

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 AM

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the reason i used 2 is cause samurott isn't that consistent at getting spikes up and it dies somewhat easily

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 AM

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Either swap to tera fairy or use eball

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 AM

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placid yarrow Either swap to tera fairy or use eball

k

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i'll do that rn

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:08 AM

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worn lark the reason i used 2 is cause samurott isn't that consistent at getting spikes up...

Not worth it
You wanna play fast before they can spin

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Or get dengo in there

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Also go with the default lando spread

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Trust me it's worth living a cudgel

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:09 AM

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max def lando can tank ivy cudgel?!

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Standard spread isn't max def

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:12 AM

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252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Landorus-Therian: 314-372 (82.1 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO huh

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:12 AM

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Oh wait

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Did they remove the old spread

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Ig it's fine then

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:12 AM

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I don't remember it ever existing

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Lando needs it's speed tho

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Like really badly

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:13 AM

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You can keep the lando set
But stone edge is generally preffered

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:14 AM

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Generally defensive lando sets are special

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But ig it's fine

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But I'd put taunt over smack down tbh

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:15 AM

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k

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:15 AM

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tacit bluff Generally defensive lando sets are special

No there was an old offensive lando set

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Wherr it could tank a none crit cudgel

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But they removed it ig

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:16 AM

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Probably cause it wasn't great 💔

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:16 AM

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tacit bluff But I'd put taunt over smack down tbh

wait

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:16 AM

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Lando not being max speed makes it so much worse into mons like Dragonite and pecharunt

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:16 AM

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why did i never think of that as the anti corv option

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well

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anti defog but still

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:17 AM

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Yeah that would be solid

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Actually wait

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Ok I just took a look at the team myself

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Iron moth is definitely an awkward fit

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So is wellspring

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:18 AM

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i just needed a good hazard abuser lol

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:18 AM

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They also get mauled by opposing hazards

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:18 AM

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tacit bluff They also get mauled by opposing hazards

true

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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Iron moth doesn't always care about hazards but that's usually on HO

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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wait yeah i just realized i don't have recovery

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wait

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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Not here where the pace is slower

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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i can't english

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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tacit bluff Probably cause it wasn't great 💔

No it was literally like 240atk max speed then some combo to live ivy but that's in the past

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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i meant no removal

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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worn lark why did i never think of that as the anti corv option

Problem
Corv just switches

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:19 AM

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placid yarrow No it was literally like 240atk max speed then some combo to live ivy but that's...

It needed 252 hp and at least 240 def

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I think

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:20 AM

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placid yarrow Problem Corv just switches

at least you block the defog

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:20 AM

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I don't remember entirely tbh

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:20 AM

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worn lark at least you block the defog

You have a Gholdengo

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Taunt is just useful for stopping slower setup mons

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Like raging bolt

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Ig you could try to taunt weezing asw but weezing isn't gonna come in on lando

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:21 AM

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tacit bluff It needed 252 hp and at least 240 def

-1 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-Therian: 270-318 (84.6 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Oh wait it literally works with 4 def
No wonder it got removed

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Yeah I was thinking neutral cudgel

placid yarrow Jul 31, 2025, 5:22 AM

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worn lark at least you block the defog

You have dengo

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Who pwns corv anyways

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:22 AM

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fair

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so

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anyway

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uh

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what kinda hazard abusers can i use here

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:26 AM

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worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:28 AM

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why oblivious and not regenerator

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for slowpoke

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wildbolt storm is also strictly worse than thunder in rain

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:30 AM

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worn lark why oblivious and not regenerator

Someone used taunt

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:30 AM

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ohhh fair

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:30 AM

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quartz sun Someone used taunt

thing is

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regenerator

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will help more in 95% of cases

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:30 AM

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It's also a corrosion glimmora a hydration alo and this entire team loses to ogerpon

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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even if they do use taunt it STIll may help more to use regen

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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tacit bluff It's also a corrosion glimmora a hydration alo and this entire team loses to oge...

yeah

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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tacit bluff It's also a corrosion glimmora a hydration alo and this entire team loses to oge...

Idc

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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worn lark even if they do use taunt it STIll may help more to use regen

Idc

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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Read the channel rules before posting here

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Preferably

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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went with suboptimal abilities for half your team and you don't care?

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:31 AM

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tacit bluff Read the channel rules before posting here

yeah

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:32 AM

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tacit bluff Preferably

Huh can you brief it I'm stupid at reading a hole lot

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:32 AM

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this isnt a team showcase place this is for advice and if your response to everything is idc theres not much point clogging the whole channel

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 5:32 AM

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quartz sun

em so there is smth called poke paste which is a link u get obtain at the bottom of the page this photo is taken from

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and u can post the link here which is more convenient

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:32 AM

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quartz sun Huh can you brief it I'm stupid at reading a hole lot

this channel is for team build advice

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 5:32 AM

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(pokepaste shows the information more clearly

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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limber spear (pokepaste shows the information more clearly

I know I figured that out after the pic

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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nice

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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yknow what

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i feel like you just sort of have to rebuild

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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i would recommend u to get sample teams which is the most common way cuz the sets r em wacky

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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worn lark this channel is for team build advice

Someone told me this is where I should share my team

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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This is

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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the only mon with any real breaking power here at all is thunderus

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:33 AM

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But read

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You post teams here to get advice on how to improve said teams

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:34 AM

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also

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:34 AM

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If there are suboptimal things it's our job to tell you

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:34 AM

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worn lark the only mon with any real breaking power here at all is thunderus

I killed a the dragon dark type pokemon using moltres

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:34 AM

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rest/chesto is situational and should DEFINITElY not be on alo or peliper

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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You can still use the team whatever we can't stop you but when you post it here you're looking for advice

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Basically this isn't a team showcase

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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worn lark rest/chesto is situational and should DEFINITElY not be on alo or peliper

Its safety measures

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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This is a "how can I improve it"

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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quartz sun I killed a the dragon dark type pokemon using moltres

tera fairy tera blast on moltres is something new i've heard but yeah it's... certainly a choice

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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quartz sun Its safety measures

alolomola doesn't need it

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wish is far better

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:35 AM

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worn lark tera fairy tera blast on moltres is something new i've heard but yeah it's... ce...

It catches u of guard

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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then it can also run lefties / rhelm

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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quartz sun It catches u of guard

that's... a pretty bad strat in competitive pokemon

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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quartz sun It catches u of guard

Because they sent it in not knowing

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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relying on surprise

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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first you should ask yourself "What does tera fairy blast on moltres target"?

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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worn lark that's... a pretty bad strat in competitive pokemon

I don't play conpatitave

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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and "How does it distinguish itself from other scarfers"?

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:36 AM

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quartz sun I don't play conpatitave

then why are you here

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:37 AM

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worn lark then why are you here

I like the game

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:37 AM

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competitive pokemon

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:37 AM

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worn lark competitive pokemon

And I have one 78 to 200 Battles aka I won 78 lost 200

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:38 AM

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quartz sun And I have one 78 to 200 Battles aka I won 78 lost 200

Won*

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:38 AM

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thats a pretty bad w/l ratio... but i'm not really seeing your point

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:39 AM

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W/L ratio doenst matter when youre playing in low ladder because everyone else's teams are bad

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:39 AM

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worn lark thats a pretty bad w/l ratio... but i'm not really seeing your point

Wanna fight then new teams u pick what gamemode

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:39 AM

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low phoenix W/L ratio doenst matter when youre playing in low ladder because everyone else's...

I really don't care

north nimbus Jul 31, 2025, 5:42 AM

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This ain’t the place for it, if you don’t like people’s advice move on

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:45 AM

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quartz sun Wanna fight then new teams u pick what gamemode

new teams?

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sure?

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:45 AM

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worn lark sure?

Yea

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:45 AM

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 31, 2025, 5:45 AM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:45 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b70b6297a465ce57 <-- here's a way better team with the same mons btw

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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if you are interested in trying a good team you should look at the link

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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worn lark https://pokepast.es/b70b6297a465ce57 <-- here's a way better team with the same ...

dude

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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it's still really supbar

low phoenix Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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this team is still problematic

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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very poor mon selection

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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low phoenix this team is still problematic

i'm not calling it GOOD

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i'm calling it BETTER

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:46 AM

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quartz sun

than... this

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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I'm just fine with the og

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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then why ask for help

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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quartz sun I'm just fine with the og

Because I love it

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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worn lark then why ask for help

Never did

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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then u do u

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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quartz sun Never did

by putting your team here you are asking for help and rates

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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worn lark then u do u

Yes but ty ether way

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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that's the purpouse of this thread

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:47 AM

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quartz sun Yes but ty ether way

np

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its 11pm can i just use an old dumpster fire team

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alsp lets just do this in #comp-general

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:48 AM

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worn lark that's the purpouse of this thread

So that means that person was being rude I just wanted to show my team how I'd do pokemon

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:48 AM

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?

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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worn lark alsp lets just do this in <#393435165243867150>

Ok I been talking there to

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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they were really not, being brutall honest

tough garnet Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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if your team isnt serious, dont post it and dont bicker in this channel

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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your team is like

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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worn lark your team is like

Don't

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:49 AM

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k

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:50 AM

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worn lark k

It's a fun team not supposed to be competitive

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:50 AM

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quartz sun It's a fun team not supposed to be competitive

That's fine

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:50 AM

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yeah

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But then this isn't the channel for it

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Basically

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 5:50 AM

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tacit bluff But then this isn't the channel for it

this

tacit bluff Jul 31, 2025, 5:50 AM

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Like you wanna play with it yeah sure go ahead

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More power to ya

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I ran silk scarf tera normal hyper beam tusk on ladder cause it's hilarious

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But it's not competitive obv

gritty lake Jul 31, 2025, 5:55 AM

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worrywhirl

quartz sun Jul 31, 2025, 5:57 AM

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tacit bluff I ran silk scarf tera normal hyper beam tusk on ladder cause it's hilarious

Ya

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 6:01 AM

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Would hyper beam still be good if it kept the no recharge on ko from gen 1

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Id assume it would be broken

north nimbus Jul 31, 2025, 6:02 AM

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not the place to ask

tame kelp Jul 31, 2025, 6:07 AM

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Hi, im new to comp and just built my first team. I played in restricted format in SwSh a bit and came back now and built myself a team.
I'm looking for all and any opinions, tips and tricks on it. Any input will be greatly appreciated! 🙂
https://pokepast.es/74d59ea62bbe90b7

gritty lake Jul 31, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Oh no

worn lark Jul 31, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Sorry i lead you to the wrong place 😭

north nimbus Jul 31, 2025, 6:09 AM

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tame kelp Hi, im new to comp and just built my first team. I played in restricted format i...

Is this meant to be for vgc?

tame kelp Jul 31, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Ehm, I assume so. Double Battles ranked 🙂

north nimbus Jul 31, 2025, 6:10 AM

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If it’s vgc there should be a thread that focus on it, this thread focuses on singles ou format, sorry for the confusion

tame kelp Jul 31, 2025, 6:10 AM

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Oh, sorry ^^ Will post in there

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 6:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/cabe970886cb7e50 uh the fourth version of the team. want a ting lu over sam here cuz it checks dengo and gambit better/could keep them in check for a few more turns.Another issue is lando , it doesnt do a lot for the team defensively as treads stops electric move and my team doesnt rly deal with flyers that much esp ironpress corv(tbolt from van and ice spinner on treads are the only option) would there be any way to solve those problem

azure saffron Jul 31, 2025, 6:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f60465b88f746669
Any advise to finish this team? I think it's pretty standard but i still need to test it out.

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 6:58 AM

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assuming its hazard stack , knock off is pretty much needed

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or is that hyper offense

azure saffron Jul 31, 2025, 8:11 AM

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Just offense with a spike clicking boy tbh. I'll add knock off though

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 8:19 AM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/cabe970886cb7e50 uh the fourth version of the team. want a ...

I think Lando can be a Tera Fire Dragonite on this, and then you can slot in smth like Scarf Gholdengo over Sinistcha as your speed control. Gives you a much better Corviknight match up and makes it easier to gain momentum which the rest of your team seems to adore. Id say AVrott as your dark type is fine on this, just as something with more offensive pressure.

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 8:19 AM

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trail whale I think Lando can be a Tera Fire Dragonite on this, and then you can slot in smt...

tysm(btw happy birthday )

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 8:19 AM

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thank you catheart

azure saffron Jul 31, 2025, 8:22 AM

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happy birthday

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 8:23 AM

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azure saffron https://pokepast.es/f60465b88f746669 Any advise to finish this team? I think it'...

This is a lot closer to a good HO than a good Offense Id say, making the Gholdengo Balloon, Tusk Bulk up, and the Darkrai an Iron Moth.

If you really want an offense Id look into Landorus > Tusk and mixed Valiant > Darkrai, Might need to adapt it a little further but seems decent at first glance. Landorus as a pivot becomes very crucial and Scarf Darkrai is kind of a momentum killer.

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 8:23 AM

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or i check it offensively

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 9:11 AM

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limber spear or i check it offensively

This yeah, Dengo can sneak in a revenge, Tusk hates coming in if Val or even Hamu are on the field, could also make it an Encore Tera Blast Dnite which frustrates Corv enough while still putting up pressure on Tusk

limber spear Jul 31, 2025, 9:12 AM

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yeah i am running encore set rn its pretty good on defensive stuff

tardy sparrow Jul 31, 2025, 9:37 AM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2412598255-w0yhqffi4ufdkdv8yt6bphexqkq77f5pw made a couple adjustments to the team but im enjoying using heatran sun! thanks!

[Gen 9] OU: heatraniac vs. yanghansen - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between heatraniac and yanghansen! Format: [Gen 9] OU; Date: Jul 31, 2025

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https://pokepast.es/c1363a8b72b64def heres what I changed

atomic silo Jul 31, 2025, 9:38 AM

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Yo awesome big fan Heatraniac ty for using my team!

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I love your videos btw

umbral dragon Jul 31, 2025, 9:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d6dec31b9369d646

How does this look? Been doing fine, Weavile has been putting in work against the dragons+oger on the ladder.

Switching into knock off is a bit annoying but tusk/corv/ting take it fine depending ln the opponent. Weavile and CM Clef clean up games nicely while Sinistcha sometimes helps with sweeping and is great at keeping hazards up

azure saffron Jul 31, 2025, 10:07 AM

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trail whale This is a lot closer to a good HO than a good Offense Id say, making the Gholden...

let's go HO then. any way i can keep darkrai? i kinda wanna feat it.
Why does specs kyurem feel "so strong" with ice beam and specs Darkrai feel so "weak" (not strong enough) with dark pulse?

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 10:18 AM

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azure saffron let's go HO then. any way i can keep darkrai? i kinda wanna feat it. Why does sp...

a Darkrai hyper offence would likely consist of Nasty Plot with a boosting item

I think you can get away with the previous changes while also making the Raging Bolt an Iron Moth. You want speed control that doesn't kill your momentum and it's still something that can help Darkrai and Gholdengo overwhelm Ting-Lu

proud herald Jul 31, 2025, 11:17 AM

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Can someone tell me if this team can work ?
The goal is to have a sun team. I'm at ~1200 ELO if that helps.
https://pokepast.es/8037e26824dce185

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 31, 2025, 11:17 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

echo rampart Jul 31, 2025, 11:18 AM

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Rotom and Azu are not viable and Azu is just antithetical to Sun anyway, I would check out the OU sample teams there are Sun teams there you can start with

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also you have to have used the team before sending it here, you couldn't have loaded this bc half the mons are missing EVs

proud herald Jul 31, 2025, 11:28 AM

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echo rampart also you have to have used the team before sending it here, you couldn't have lo...

they are ? well shucks. That explains some things

proud herald Jul 31, 2025, 11:28 AM

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echo rampart Rotom and Azu are not viable and Azu is just antithetical to Sun anyway, I would...

rotom isn't viable ? too bad. Guess i'll change it.

wooden linden Jul 31, 2025, 1:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bf063ed6a4fd56db
Hatts let me innovate some more here

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I dont have any uturn and stuff which sucks

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But magic bounce is nice to have

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 1:56 PM

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wooden linden https://pokepast.es/bf063ed6a4fd56db Hatts let me innovate some more here

Not really sure you need sacred sword Hamurott? I don’t think your gambit MU is that bad with tusk, will o volcanion and trick dengo in the back

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You can drop it for flip turn me thinks

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That way you have a pivot

wooden linden Jul 31, 2025, 2:01 PM

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Flip turn would be nice yeah

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Though in my experience its just a dead slot

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And it makes samus issues with contact punishers really bad

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Like i have knock but i can get chipped fast still

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 2:06 PM

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Ye the birds seem annoying into this team

wooden linden Jul 31, 2025, 2:25 PM

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its only really zapdos thats annoying here

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tornt is also annoying but no static means i can hurt it more

stone sierra Jul 31, 2025, 3:23 PM

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I’m p sure nasty plot 252+ spa apple 2hkos torn with drain

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Fickle prolly works just as well on no investment

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 6:27 PM

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wooden linden https://pokepast.es/bf063ed6a4fd56db Hatts let me innovate some more here

I'm getting a bit of an ick at the pace of the team in combination with the choice of mons tbh. Raging Bolt can come in vs half your team for free and your electric resists are Great Tusk and Hydrapple. Waterpon and Kyurem seem more manageable thanks to Volcanion. some other stuff like SD Val look like they have a very easy time cleaning up but oh well.

I'm thinking you might need to do Flip on Samu, Treads > Tusk, and AoA Zama > Hatt. It's weaker hazard control and you'll probably have to be more careful with Volcanion hp, but seems like it can let you play more offensively and doesn't get screwed over by Raging Bolt as hard. unless they're like weather ball in sun then they hate you ❤️

stone sierra Jul 31, 2025, 6:30 PM

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trail whale I'm getting a bit of an ick at the pace of the team in combination with the choi...

Happy bday

wooden linden Jul 31, 2025, 6:32 PM

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trail whale I'm getting a bit of an ick at the pace of the team in combination with the choi...

thank you valerie catheart

trail whale Jul 31, 2025, 6:33 PM

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catheart

wooden linden Jul 31, 2025, 6:34 PM

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i think i can go back to boots volc here though jiraooh

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i'll mess with the items as needed prob

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maybe i could do band zama cuz the team is pretty weak overall

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Can someone help optimize this https://pokepast.es/e8a9a5500ff72d4e

regal ginkgoBOT Jul 31, 2025, 10:26 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:26 PM

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The idea is there but I think the execution can be better

elder knoll Jul 31, 2025, 10:27 PM

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wow

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Isn’t this just

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sub Kyu semi

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:27 PM

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Yes it is

elder knoll Jul 31, 2025, 10:30 PM

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This should prob be spdef Dozo

you can sack Clod then for Blissey or you can run mix defense Clod

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:30 PM

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elder knoll This should prob be spdef Dozo you can sack Clod then for Blissey or you can r...

Hmm

elder knoll Jul 31, 2025, 10:31 PM

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You don’t have enough space for double unaware

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Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

Bulldoze/Poison Jab
Recover
Curse
Counter

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:32 PM

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How would the physical mu look with spdef dozo

elder knoll Jul 31, 2025, 10:32 PM

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it’s fine

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you have Corv

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Hmm so I switch to bp for the gambits and such?

elder knoll Jul 31, 2025, 10:33 PM

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it’s generally BB + BP on standard stall variants

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with Tera dark Dozo

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or it’s the 196 speed BP + ID variant

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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elder knoll This should prob be spdef Dozo you can sack Clod then for Blissey or you can r...

Wait what would happen with AV pex tho

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Wouldnt my spdef mu be enough if I run Blissey+av pex?

magic dome Jul 31, 2025, 11:21 PM

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i generally think ting lu > clod, even smth like rest talk works here

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but im interested in seeing how clod works here and if youre seeing success with it

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 11:26 PM

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magic dome but im interested in seeing how clod works here and if youre seeing success with...

Mixed success so far imo, I think
Apart of it is me being bad and selling though.

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Strong special attackers like specs raging bolt are annoying though, clod gets 2hkoed

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I might try rest talk Lu

magic dome Jul 31, 2025, 11:27 PM

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yeah lu is pretty sturdy, but smth like treads would be an option here as well too

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i like lu more tho

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also on a team like this i would like to suggest spdef dozo to give you another wincon outside of subtect kyu

nocturne sable Jul 31, 2025, 11:29 PM

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What does spdef Dozo wall specifically

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Or does it just make it a good mixed wall in general

stone sierra Aug 1, 2025, 12:14 AM

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magic dome i generally think ting lu > clod, even smth like rest talk works here

true!

sick scarab Aug 1, 2025, 1:57 AM

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https://pokepast.es/9feea1bc647e1d6b

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trying to make a bulky offense team with my Clefable set

sick scarab Aug 1, 2025, 3:03 AM

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I could try replacing Pech with Clodsire for more Spdef

limber spear Aug 1, 2025, 3:11 AM

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u need a ghost type to spin block to pech is fine

sick scarab Aug 1, 2025, 3:15 AM

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limber spear u need a ghost type to spin block to pech is fine

so, what can I change about my team?

limber spear Aug 1, 2025, 3:15 AM

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u might want to find a better rater 👍🏻

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(perhaps spdef moltres or spdef clef can work here)

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i am not sure about wish and moonlight on the same mon(is that a registered set?)

sick scarab Aug 1, 2025, 3:17 AM

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no

limber spear Aug 1, 2025, 3:19 AM

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u can try knock over wish/ rocks over wish and get a knock on tusk over rocks

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 12:57 PM

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i decided to try to build seriously and here's what I did
all of my thoughts are in the "notes" of the pokepaste
i think i'm missing a bit of synergy/that i picked the wrong sample sets ?
thank you for your attention

https://pokepast.es/117ef7d7e6e94b8b

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 1, 2025, 12:57 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

wooden linden Aug 1, 2025, 12:58 PM

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Yanmega is pretty ass here

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And same with azu here

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:29 PM

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the combo of treads + hatt should be good enough for hazard control but i understand if its still tough considering youre running four mons that REALLY dont like hazards up

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:30 PM

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wooden linden Yanmega is pretty ass here

yeah i know but i want to make them work :/

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:30 PM

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magic dome the combo of treads + hatt should be good enough for hazard control but i unders...

the thing is i have trouble anticipating rocks and rocks alone mess my team up
and if treads dies well i'm kinda stuck with garganacl and azumarill

wooden linden Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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ngl garg isnt really needed here

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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and hatterene too but it's even more situational unless i don't understand how to use it at all

wooden linden Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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you already have treads as your rocks setter

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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wooden linden ngl garg isnt really needed here

yeah agreed

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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wooden linden ngl garg isnt really needed here

really ?

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:31 PM

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wooden linden you already have treads as your rocks setter

yeah but i've taken the habit of packing two in case one dies
plus he's really bulky especially with tera

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:33 PM

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theres a lot of opportunity cost in running two rocks setters, for instance you could be running curse > rocks on garg and youd get more value on it in general

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:34 PM

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but would running curse be worth it ? he already has a 300+ def without boosts and his attack stat isn't that great no ?

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:34 PM

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lets take another look at the team though, you want to enable yanmega as much as possible right?

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:34 PM

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yeah

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really i just wanted an off-meta bug for the team and yanmega seemed good

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i'll understand if it's irredeemable tho

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:35 PM

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proud herald but would running curse be worth it ? he already has a 300+ def without boosts a...

yes absolutely, +1 defense and +1 attack can make garg way harder to deal with, since it can more effectively tank hits and deal damage (even with just the 40 bp salt cure, it adds up)

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:36 PM

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proud herald i'll understand if it's irredeemable tho

i think i can work with your team but im not sure if i can keep azu

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:36 PM

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magic dome yes absolutely, +1 defense and +1 attack can make garg way harder to deal with, ...

alright , consider it changed then

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 1:36 PM

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magic dome i think i can work with your team but im not sure if i can keep azu

it's alright really i'm just trying things

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i would be really grateful if you could fix the team and explain me what's wrong with it

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8dc072bbce562bfe

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heres my idea

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there were a few problems, but the biggest one was that you were unable to support yanmega in that old build

elder knoll Aug 1, 2025, 1:54 PM

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magic dome https://pokepast.es/8dc072bbce562bfe

Wouldn’t sludge be better than beam on Krai

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You have Pon for grounds already

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:57 PM

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this one now features an av hatterene (notorious for trading special walls and acting a soft check to a lot of threatening special attackers in the tier, while providing some hazard control) and np wisp darkrai which will greatly appreciate the breaking your yanmega does early game

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i also made yanmega bug buzz to hit ting lu

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sorry lost internet

magic dome Aug 1, 2025, 1:59 PM

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elder knoll You have Pon for grounds already

i like dpulse + ice beam more since breaking ting lu really frees darkrai and hatt in the back

proud herald Aug 1, 2025, 5:20 PM

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magic dome sorry lost internet

happened to me too
thank you very much for the team

swift forum Aug 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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ursa+slowking bait team https://pokepast.es/73ed5b4ce660e89e, av treads is for a spdef mon with spin, av zama is for kyurem mainly, sub on ursa is for not having to predict whether the opponent goes into their ghost or flying type and also to outplay sucker punch

elder knoll Aug 1, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Triple AV

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🥀

swift forum Aug 1, 2025, 5:55 PM

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trust it's entirely 0 skill (except you have to double to ursa on slowking sometimes thats it)

stone sierra Aug 1, 2025, 6:14 PM

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swift forum ursa+slowking bait team https://pokepast.es/73ed5b4ce660e89e, av treads is for a...

Apple doesn’t have enough spdef to use av

stone sierra Aug 1, 2025, 10:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d38c340d538888fe

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 1, 2025, 10:22 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

empty verge Aug 1, 2025, 10:27 PM

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This feels a bit slow

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Also worried about stuff like pon

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Lmk what Mon you are building around so I can get a better idea

swift forum Aug 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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you forgot 4 evs on treads

empty verge Aug 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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Of your build

empty verge Aug 1, 2025, 10:28 PM

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swift forum you forgot 4 evs on treads

That too ye

swift forum Aug 1, 2025, 10:34 PM

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the team feels too slow and too weak, plus your hazard removers are prone to being worn down over time, and your team really needs time to break unless ogerpon cheeses through. also you should put rocks on treads if you have spikes on lu

stone sierra Aug 1, 2025, 10:57 PM

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empty verge Lmk what Mon you are building around so I can get a better idea

Cm hat

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Lu is supposed to be rocks

stone sierra Aug 1, 2025, 10:58 PM

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empty verge Also worried about stuff like pon

I have pech and torn

empty verge Aug 1, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Your pech is max speed though

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It’s a good as a back up check but as a primary one do not recommend

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Same as torn esp since you are running av it will not be switching in because more often than not rocks will be up (gen 9 wildness)

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 1:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/2f1858cf581ab540 sinistcha bulky offense hazard stack

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I have another version with threads stealth rock instead of alomamola where ting lu has whirlwind and moltres u turn

elder knoll Aug 2, 2025, 1:23 AM

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the Kyurem match up looks rough

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 1:45 AM

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crude imp https://pokepast.es/2f1858cf581ab540 sinistcha bulky offense hazard stack

i think spDef molt over ting lu

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boots valiant over booster energy

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rotom wash > mola for a knock absorber + pivot

stone sierra Aug 2, 2025, 1:48 AM

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low phoenix i think spDef molt over ting lu

wow

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Then they don’t have hazards

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 1:50 AM

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Question

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What is this build supposed to do

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Then I can assist

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 1:51 AM

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its a hazard stack

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 1:53 AM

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Ok

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Gliscor > ting Lu Garg > dnite a fast Mon like weavile > Val will be good as it also provides knock.

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I’m iffy on sinischa these days

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But it can work

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Garg is a good ghost resist

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 1:57 AM

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does garg still work wo removal?

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 1:57 AM

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Asw and it can provide rocks

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 1:57 AM

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boots garg?

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or still lefties

north nimbus Aug 2, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Hoenstly just make this boots spam

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 1:58 AM

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Yeah

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It’s either boots spam or defog with corv/weezing + pseudo removal with ace

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That’s the two options for balance

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:01 AM

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empty verge Garg is a good ghost resist

Is it tho with Gholdengo every where?

elder knoll Aug 2, 2025, 2:01 AM

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Tera water

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or Tera electric

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you get the idea

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 2:02 AM

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you check pecharunt very well

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and dragapult

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:02 AM

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Yeah but i want a Gholdengo resist but being forced to tera to achieve that sounds dookie

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 2:03 AM

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you pair it with other ghold checks like weavile

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:03 AM

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That makes morse sense

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But then i’d have to pivot/sac

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:03 AM

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crude imp Yeah but i want a Gholdengo resist but being forced to tera to achieve that soun...

Molt checks most ghold sets

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Oh right spdef molt

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Oh right spdef molt

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Esp since yours is spdef

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Okay i’m understanding the vision

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yessuh

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Weavile also mean you don’t get blown up by the offensive tornadus that’s been running around

low phoenix Aug 2, 2025, 2:06 AM

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oh yea

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considering that weavile works over valiant

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np torn is a trending set rn

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:06 AM

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Yeah weavile makes a lot of sense, im altho still not completely sold on removing ting lu since it workes really well with Sinistcha

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Can always make two versions and test if anything

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Real

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:11 AM

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The alternative version would probably be Slowking Galar (with psynoise) > Dragonite and then Zapdos > moltres ace > Val last still being Alomomola

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Probably

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Ting Lu would just run rocks

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I mean spikes

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:12 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b1be4914ab25a67b currently settled for this

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Ye make Garg and ting boots though

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Oh yea will do

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6 boots giga chad items

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Prob Tera fairy on Garg

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:14 AM

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What does it do for him? Resist cc and knock?

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Completely shuts down band pult

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Ohhh

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Is band pult common i’ve only seen hex as of late

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Hex more common

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But you wall that too

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:15 AM

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So it’s just a big fat middle finger towards pult, im down

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Also good into like every zama set

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Maybe besides Body press ID lol

crude imp Aug 2, 2025, 2:16 AM

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Oooooh yurrr

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Heavy slam foes baby damage

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(Referring to when it Tera fairies)

elder knoll Aug 2, 2025, 2:20 AM

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You might wanna sack the Mola/Molt for an actual knock absorber
or you’re going to have trouble into opposing spike stacks

empty verge Aug 2, 2025, 2:29 AM

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True

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Can prob do clef

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And then make Garg curse or something

brazen wing Aug 3, 2025, 12:54 AM

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pls rate

jolly elbow Aug 3, 2025, 1:01 AM

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remenber they only rate with pokepastes

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!psteams

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jolly elbow Aug 3, 2025, 1:02 AM

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oh wait thats natdex?

brazen wing Aug 3, 2025, 1:04 AM

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ok

jolly elbow Aug 3, 2025, 1:08 AM

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brazen wing ok

remenber to post on the right format thread #1051236342740308089 with the pokepaste

brazen wing Aug 3, 2025, 1:08 AM

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it wont let me

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 3:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/6523ad4b78f2b36c

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 3, 2025, 3:56 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 4:01 AM

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Doesn't this kinda struggle into wake

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Idk

low phoenix Aug 3, 2025, 5:17 AM

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If you struggle vs wake I think changing Pech to gking is the simplest solution without changing the team too much

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Change iron treads to Tera ghost

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Make molt standard defensive with Tera grass too

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Band Val is a set but if you’re having trouble with Pon you can change it to idbp zama

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Or you can go a waterpon garg core route in which you change hamurott and rockpon respectively to wogerpon and Tera fairy rocks garg

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In which you can then make treads assault vest and slap on zama over pon for speed control

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 6:02 AM

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low phoenix If you struggle vs wake I think changing Pech to gking is the simplest solution ...

ogerpon

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 6:02 AM

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low phoenix Change iron treads to Tera ghost

kyurem

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 6:02 AM

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low phoenix If you struggle vs wake I think changing Pech to gking is the simplest solution ...

idt i struggle vs wake

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tera grass the moltres thi

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tho

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 6:03 AM

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low phoenix Or you can go a waterpon garg core route in which you change hamurott and rockpo...

sounds cool

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 7:00 AM

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https://pokepast.es/f81c618a691f9075

limber spear Aug 3, 2025, 7:17 AM

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another garchomp team ogerooh

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 7:30 AM

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It's a different set

limber spear Aug 3, 2025, 8:21 AM

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tusk seems annoying with ice and ground move

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:02 AM

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cold cosmos https://pokepast.es/6523ad4b78f2b36c

I dont think the team's sets synergise very well, your ghost and dark resists are far too exploitable when youre going to be focusing on careful pivoting for Band Valiant and using Hamurott for speed control. Really just any well played offense can overwhelm you (i.e WWake, Specs Pult, Offensive Darkrai, Tera Flying/Ghost Dragonite, Special Kyurem...)

I think you can go two routes with this team and because Band Valiant is the first Pokemon, I imagine you're working towards a bulkier hazard stack. I'd drop Ogerpon first, it's not really doing anything important here and you could really use a sturdier offensive Pokemon. Kingambit covers for a lot of the issues I pointed out earlier.

As memester pointed out, make the Moltres a standard defensive set so you dont straight up fold to Dragonite and friends. Letting in Ogerpon is fine, you have Physdef Pecharunt. I think its hard to check Wake defensively without revamping the team to a ridiculous degree, so I'd suggest better speed control in the Samurott slot, maybe try out Scarf Latios. If you want to add on Spikes you'd probably have to compromise Ting-Lu as the Ground-type over Iron Treads

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:02 AM

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gritty lake https://pokepast.es/f81c618a691f9075

what does Garchomp do better than Specs Pult here flop

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 11:03 AM

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trail whale I dont think the team's sets synergise very well, your ghost and dark resists ar...

unsure what you mean

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for any of the options in the first paragraph, just tera dark pech

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or tera fairy the moltres

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as for cornerstone not doing anything

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thats complete bs

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cornerstone literally is the anti stall/anti pech/anti birds/anti corv guy here

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:05 AM

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Having Tera be your check makes match ups very rough, now Pecharunt can no longer spin block or check a fighting type, takes super effective u turn coming in on pivot Ogerpon
Tera Fairy Molt kills your ground resist
and what if they have both a Pokemon that demands Tera on Molt and a Pokemon that demands Tera on Pecharunt?

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:07 AM

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cold cosmos cornerstone literally is the anti stall/anti pech/anti birds/anti corv guy here

"anti Pech"

Clear Amulet Iron Treads
"anti birds"
Knock Off Valiant, Zap in particular thuds into Treads again
"anti Corv" confuses me when its not doing the Corv match up much better than anything
I guess it could be anti stall? but your team is good enough to win if you play better

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 11:08 AM

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trail whale "anti Pech" - Clear Amulet Iron Treads "anti birds" - Knock Off Valiant, Zap in ...

pech still recovers and swaps in on ival multiple times

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:09 AM

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and how does Cornerstone prevent this

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 11:09 AM

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taunt

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for the birds

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uhh

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knock is a good arguement

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you still don't want to risk the static or flame body tho

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:10 AM

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if the Pecharunt isnt clicking recover the turn its swapping into Valiant, or if youre hard switching and forcing it to take hazard damage, Kingambit or Iron Treads do the same thing

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 11:11 AM

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in a world where the ogerpon check is pech

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and the ival check is also pech

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and said pech swaps in on ogerpon

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you dont want to let it recover do you

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ogerpon + ival collectively sort of wear down the poison types

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 11:12 AM

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I think you can have the same games if youre using Kingambit!
Though I imagine they'll have a Steel-type better into Cornerpon anyway

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Cornerpon & Hamurott just seem too offensive for the idea of the team, they add more pokemon to babysit vs hazards and don't help your defensive backbone, which you are severely lacking in

I think the other approach to the team would be using Booster Valiant and make it an Offense, have a more short-term breaker and Val is one of the best speed control options.

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 11:41 AM

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i see

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 12:21 PM

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trail whale what does Garchomp do better than Specs Pult here <:flop:1357882079798362222>

Obliterate corv and pech while being able to switch moves clueless

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 12:33 PM

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gritty lake Obliterate corv and pech while being able to switch moves<:clueless:114701960735...

rather easy to revenge kill, the chomp is supposed to be breaking but Dragapult does a better job at that!
you'd rather have the ability to pivot in your other deadly sweepers than the ability to limit which Pokemon are going to force you out anyway, have like 3 hyper offence one time sweepers and two pivots.

limber spear Aug 3, 2025, 12:35 PM

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but like i think he like garchomp a lot tho

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that’s why he used it in his team

trail whale Aug 3, 2025, 12:38 PM

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there's maybe a Garchomp team in wcop team dump you can find
I'll just be rating the teams to make them the best competitively, and Garchomp usually sucks

lethal talon Aug 3, 2025, 2:07 PM

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Garchomp's fall from grace is actually tragic

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 2:22 PM

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I hate svou

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Now

gritty lake Aug 3, 2025, 2:43 PM

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💔

limber spear Aug 3, 2025, 3:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6a2d6e0a30667fa2 no thoughts on this boohoo (nothing to explain)

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 3, 2025, 3:31 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cold cosmos Aug 3, 2025, 3:39 PM

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av bolt - > nothing to explain

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 1:29 AM

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clueless

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its just a electric type av prima i think

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5f8f752f89a0a718 rillaboom + hawlucha hazard stack, thoughts?

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 4, 2025, 3:38 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:38 AM

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ting lu been serving me well

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:42 AM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/6a2d6e0a30667fa2 no thoughts on this <:boohoo:12936820614412...

why dragon tail on bolt

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:42 AM

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cuz its av and nothing else to run

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:43 AM

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why not tbolt?

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:43 AM

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em nice question

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:43 AM

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tera blast ice could also be heat

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:43 AM

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cuz i dont want to run roar on moltres

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:44 AM

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fair?

north nimbus Aug 4, 2025, 3:44 AM

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worn lark https://pokepast.es/5f8f752f89a0a718 rillaboom + hawlucha hazard stack, thoughts...

This team would be so much better if u remove rilla and lucha ngl

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:44 AM

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maybe i can add tbolt

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:45 AM

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north nimbus This team would be so much better if u remove rilla and lucha ngl

😭
fair enough

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i just cant think of many hazard abusers

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or like

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ones i find fun anyway

north nimbus Aug 4, 2025, 3:45 AM

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Like I understand that’s what your going for, just it would just be better some less

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:46 AM

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hm ok

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replacements?

north nimbus Aug 4, 2025, 3:48 AM

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Got a lot of options tho fwiw I do think most obvious would be some like zama, pult, dnite, woger, etc etc tho making the ideal change would prob require more then 3 changes to fit the right mons and stuff u want here

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:48 AM

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I tried to make an offensive team with blastoise, any thoughts? Im pretty new https://pokepast.es/08ed843c6128f3d1

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:48 AM

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make dragonite tera normal with that set

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:49 AM

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ohhh for the espeed

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got it

worn lark Aug 4, 2025, 3:49 AM

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i also dont think tera fire moth is very common

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its better to run a coverage tera from what i know

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:50 AM

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Yeah Im not sure about the fire tera

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I was thinking of doing flying for the ground weakness but not sure

north nimbus Aug 4, 2025, 3:51 AM

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long summit I tried to make an offensive team with blastoise, any thoughts? Im pretty new ht...

As niche and bad blastoise is , would say webs prob the best way to make the most of it, tho if ur going like this I prob would make this sd gambit > iron moth, do booster tusk here 4 attack or bulk up are fine, and make this max attack max speed dnite with Tera normal

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If u replaced blastoise for a real Mon u get honest webs but yeah

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:52 AM

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Oh yeah I have another webs team i just really like blastoise

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thanks for the suggestions ill try em out

north nimbus Aug 4, 2025, 3:52 AM

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Indeed gl

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:53 AM

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north nimbus As niche and bad blastoise is , would say webs prob the best way to make the mos...

also what do you mean by sd gambit

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/6a2d6e0a30667fa2 no thoughts on this <:boohoo:12936820614412...

yay it got flooded clueless

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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like kinggambit or a move Im kinda confused

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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long summit also what do you mean by sd gambit

sword dance kingambit

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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OHH

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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sd=sword dance

stone sierra Aug 4, 2025, 3:54 AM

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worn lark https://pokepast.es/5f8f752f89a0a718 rillaboom + hawlucha hazard stack, thoughts...

Specs bolt kinda fucks you up

long summit Aug 4, 2025, 3:55 AM

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limber spear sd=sword dance

thanks twiin

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:55 AM

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np

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ahhhh why cant i type ._.

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 4:41 AM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/6a2d6e0a30667fa2 no thoughts on this <:boohoo:12936820614412...

dragon tail bolt is uhhh

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interesting

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:41 AM

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is tbolt better

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 4:41 AM

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i think standard booster energy bolt works on this team

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and molt can do spdef for fairy match

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:42 AM

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em like the cm booster?

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or the booster 4 attack kind of stuff

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 4:42 AM

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cm booster

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i think your bolt matchup is shaky

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:42 AM

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yep

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 4:42 AM

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so you can try treads zama over tusk deo-s

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:42 AM

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treads>tusk?

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deo-s kinda hits weak

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btw thanks

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 4:46 AM

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youre welcome

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:46 AM

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catheart

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 6:49 AM

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nocturne sable https://pokepast.es/5cbc44e8948ec76d I think maybe something could work. Hatt as...

what was bug tera volc for

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 6:50 AM

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ground + fighting resist

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some mons like heatran and ceru run tera bug for that reason

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 6:50 AM

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I'd heard of tera bug ceru

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makes sense ig

wooden linden Aug 4, 2025, 7:25 AM

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That mightve been my set

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Tera bug was there for tusk and zama while also dealing with wellspring

rare orchid Aug 4, 2025, 10:19 AM

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https://pokepast.es/604cb6c763faabf1
I've been enjoying this team but it needs some work, thinking about swapping out Sciz for weavile, and changing hatt from AV to CM

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 4, 2025, 10:19 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

somber sapphire Aug 4, 2025, 10:50 AM

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https://pokepast.es/44bc13ac4d089176 is this anything

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 2:06 PM

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jaunty granite what was bug tera volc for

Bug on volc was for fighting types like zama and tusk

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Wellspring power whip too

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How did you like the team so far I’m curious?

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 2:20 PM

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Well I actually haven’t played much at all since then but I did make the sciz > rilla swap (I assume you also meant CB?) and made a couple move/tera changes on the others and it’s been very fun

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I put eq on lu and zama is ice fang > slam and tera fire currently

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And thund is obv not seed anymore so I made it boots with uhhhh

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Tera fight brick break cwl

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I s2g I thought it got superpower this thing might be ass

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But yea team is cool

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Will play w it more in the near future

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 3:20 PM

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jaunty granite Tera fight brick break <:cwl:728321315278422066>

Hmm, brick break lowkey a weak move. If you’re running boots thundy you can make the switch to special

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That way you have grass knot/focus blast that can hit ting Lu harder. Then Tera blast flying

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Or taunt Nplot stab with tera blast flying is good enough for stall breaking

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 3:27 PM

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I feel like there’s not much reason to use it over thund-t if I go special

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ig prankster taunt and being faster than woger is still valuable

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 3:31 PM

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jaunty granite ig prankster taunt and being faster than woger is still valuable

yea that’s the main thing for thundy

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 3:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/671c2b4f12245a84

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 3:32 PM

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pallid heath https://pokepast.es/671c2b4f12245a84

Can someone help me improve this team with minimal changes?

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:34 PM

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em the tera types

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u forgot to change them

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 3:35 PM

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Wdym?

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:35 PM

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em the tera types r em

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lets take garg as an example

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garg never runs tera rock

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it prefers a better defensive typing

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and u assume u forgot to change it cuz they r the types that the mon r

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also u cant run status move on av mon(dd on ttar)

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 3:39 PM

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AV ddance tar worry

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:39 PM

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is this 6'0 by tusk

jaunty granite Aug 4, 2025, 3:39 PM

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Yes

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It clicks spin on your balloon once and then facerolls headlong the rest of the game

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:40 PM

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rudely saying

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there r a bit too many problems

gritty lake Aug 4, 2025, 3:42 PM

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This is unviable yeah

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 3:42 PM

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let quaxly cook

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 3:46 PM

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pallid heath https://pokepast.es/671c2b4f12245a84

This team sadly doesn’t have synergy unfortunately.

How does life orb blaziken benefit from sad taking extra life orb+sand chip? It’s also not a good sweeper without swords dance.

That garchomp set is unviable. Swords dance garchomp with stealth rocks and dragon claw is not good and makes garchomp a useless
Slot. If you want to utilize chomp hazard stacking abilities you use tank chomp with rocky helmet, spikes, stealth rock, earthquake and dragon tail to phase out mons.

That Ttar set is also unviable. You can’t run dragon dance with assault vest since assault vest doesn’t allow you to use support moves.

Pex and garg also just feel random on this already suboptimal sand team and don’t belong on these structures.

You’re also running mold breaker over sand rush on excadrill in sand?

Unfortunately this sand team is not viable, and sand is already not a good playstyle in OU in the first place. If you want to see an OU team that uses sand cores like Ttar and exadrill I suggest checking out this RMT.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/this-is-a-uu-team-keldeo-sandstorm-balance-peaked-1-2088-elo.3766987/

Smogon Forums

SV OU - This is a UU team.Keldeo Sandstorm balance[Peaked #1, 2088 ...

Background
"Hey everyone, this is my first RMT. As a challenge-seeking player, I dislike using OU-tier Pokémon for ladder matches. That's why I built this team in the UU tier - it's essentially a standard sand team, similar to those you'd see in ORAS OU or SV UU. It's remarkable that except for...

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For clarification on the UU part. This is a team made up of Pokemon ranked UU in SV that work well in SV OU as well

hidden arrow Aug 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0c8d8b946cabc83b

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hidden arrow Aug 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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hidden arrow https://pokepast.es/0c8d8b946cabc83b

evaluate this team I made

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gen 9 OU tier

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 4:30 PM

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hidden arrow https://pokepast.es/0c8d8b946cabc83b

I assume this is suppose to be a screens team since you have grimmsnarl+teapot? In that case this is pretty suboptimal

These types of structures tend to use set up spam to abuse the bulk the screens give them. You have 0 mons outside of teapot that set up sweep.

Also grimmsnarl is a suboptimal screens setter. A better one would Alolan Ninetales with Aurora veil. Since it covers both defenses and only takes one turn to set up. thus saving screen turns.

Onto the other mons, Zapdos is not good on teams like this.

Max defense eq body press tusk is not good and is heavily outdated in general. If you want to use tusk under screens/ veil you run bulk up tusk with headlong rush.

Similarly. Cinderace and Ogerpon should be swords dance instead of 4 attacks if you want to use it on structures like these.

https://pokepast.es/c672f6ed853b5a13 this sample team is a decent example of what a structure like this should look like

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Ninetales+the rest of the team are mons that can abuse veil to set up

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:32 PM

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off topic but whats the agility gliscor working for

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like its very funny to see

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no protect gliscor

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 4:34 PM

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limber spear off topic but whats the agility gliscor working for

This was like a wcop team iirc. Gliscor is already very bulky on its own and in veil even more bulky so it can afford to run double dance

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:35 PM

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what if there a knock offer

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or they just ignore and click moves

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 4:37 PM

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limber spear what if there a knock offer

Gliscor usually wouldn’t come in on a well known knock off user

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:37 PM

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right

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 4:37 PM

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Probably swap in on a resist and toxic orb procs

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 4:37 PM

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ic

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 4:52 PM

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nocturne sable This team sadly doesn’t have synergy unfortunately. How does life orb blaziken ...

The thing is.. I play a game where getting the Pokemons and leveling them is very hard.. I alr have blaziken Tyranitar and Garchomp in max lvl.. I wanted to improve my team as much as possible without changing any to three Pokemons.. Their abilities and accessories even evs can be changed, but the pokemon it's self is so hard since I spent so much time leveling them

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Do u have any tips to make the team as strong as it could be without having to change any of these three Pokemons?

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:05 PM

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u can just grind blissey in sv

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i suppose

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:06 PM

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pallid heath The thing is.. I play a game where getting the Pokemons and leveling them is ver...

I’m pretty sure this server doesn’t support stuff like custom or in-game stuff

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Only official smogon formats and vgc/bss

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!arbitraryformats

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 4, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1373406929317269624

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:16 PM

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yea qrash is right

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:17 PM

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nocturne sable I’m pretty sure this server doesn’t support stuff like custom or in-game stuff

Well.. I didn't add any game rules, you're just asking me to not use my team.. And use smth else

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The forum says rate my team not change my team

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U get me?

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:19 PM

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when a team is rated changes often have to be made

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that is what rating a team is

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:19 PM

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low phoenix when a team is rated changes often have to be made

Changes often have to be made

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Ik

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He just told me to change almost everything tho

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:20 PM

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yes, sometimes you have to do that too

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:20 PM

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low phoenix yes, sometimes you have to do that too

Can't i get tip without changing that much?

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:20 PM

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hello

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rmt

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https://pokepast.es/ca736d83a5a05ccf

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

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well what playstyle are you aiming for

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

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literally my first attempt at an sv ou team go easy on me

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offense ideally

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

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talking to mero

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rn

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

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oh my bad

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sorry

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:21 PM

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all g

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:22 PM

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low phoenix well what playstyle are you aiming for

I'm not looking to be hyper offensive and neglect defence, and i don't wanna be a stall team.. So let's say balanced

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:23 PM

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well this is not a balance

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:23 PM

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low phoenix well this is not a balance

Why is that?

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:23 PM

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you have a grimmsnarl

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:24 PM

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pallid heath Well.. I didn't add any game rules, you're just asking me to not use my team.. A...

It also says restrictions on teambuilding. In game prep limitations also count. Rule number 6 in #1024432517077540904 also mentions in game.

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Just for more clarification

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:25 PM

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low phoenix you have a grimmsnarl

What pokemon could i have instead of him?

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:26 PM

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nocturne sable It also says restrictions on teambuilding. In game prep limitations also count. ...

How would i be restricting when I'm literally only asking not to change the core Pokemons or my team.. Which is pretty valid cause why would i spend some time building my team, for u to tell me not to use it and use smth better, i obviously know it's better.. But why would i change my WHOLE team?

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That's not the purpose or this channel..

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:26 PM

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in gen9 screens teams have to be hyper offense due to the power creep forcing these kinds of teams to play fast in order to keep up

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https://pokepast.es/6feb02ec3ca8c51f

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this is a balance team

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waiut

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i was looking at the wrong team

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:26 PM

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pallid heath That's not the purpose or this channel..

Otherwise any person asking for tips you'd tell him to choose the best team, instead of actually rating his team

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:26 PM

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most of these sets are ass

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:27 PM

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pallid heath https://pokepast.es/671c2b4f12245a84

^this is his team

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:27 PM

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and this team has no synergy with each other

pallid heath Aug 4, 2025, 5:27 PM

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nocturne sable ^this is his team

Yup

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:27 PM

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im just going to tell you to use a sample team so you get an understanding of what is good

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#gen9ousamples

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:27 PM

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pallid heath How would i be restricting when I'm literally only asking not to change the core...

I did not change your team. I only explained why your team is bad and i recommended you to check out a RMT

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:28 PM

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bruh

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the command doesnt work anymore

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:28 PM

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!

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:28 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-wcop.3712513/

Smogon Forums

Resource - SV OU Sample Teams - New Samples Added Post WCoP!

Hosted by the OU roomstaff team | updated August 1st 2025

Welcome to the sample teams thread where you can find solid teams to try out the tier and learn the OU metagame with teams proven to be good in Tournaments and Ladder alike. To get the importable of the team, simply click on the...

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:30 PM

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shadow nova https://pokepast.es/ca736d83a5a05ccf

Can someone look at this

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:30 PM

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shadow nova https://pokepast.es/ca736d83a5a05ccf

no removal wow

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Oop

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:31 PM

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i am becoming pinkstork :_:

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:31 PM

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What do I do abt that

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:31 PM

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either boots spam or u add a removal ig

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tbf let quax or 35 poke do it

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Who r they

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:32 PM

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em the quaxly pfp one and the pink name one

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Okayy

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:32 PM

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play 35poke! and quaqrash

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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I'm scared now uve been typing for a while

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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shadow nova literally my first attempt at an sv ou team go easy on me

Remember pls

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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oh wait i just realise there is 2 spikers

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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There is??

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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anyways let them do it

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cealess + spike

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from h sam and gliscor

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:34 PM

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Ohh right that move

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It does rhat

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Ibforgot

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What do I do

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:35 PM

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em wait for qua (i would say just use rocks on gliscor

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but it will have nothing to click tho

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e9559afb980231da

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different version wdyt

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:37 PM

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defog+h stack is sad

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u defog away your own stuff

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:37 PM

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true

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hm

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:38 PM

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shadow nova https://pokepast.es/ca736d83a5a05ccf

Not that bad but a few problems.

-team has no hazard setters or Pokemon that can remove them.

-you have 2 spike setters in Gliscor and Hamurott. Not really needed

I think iron treads will help this team as a raging bolt check and hazard remover. You can replace gholdengo with iron treads since you already have pecharunt to block rapid spin

Also make pecha max defense and swap out Gliscor for another flying type like Moltres or Zapdos to improve your great tusk MU and I think it should be fine

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:39 PM

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Is spikes not hazards

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Oo okay wait yea

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Look at this version

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:39 PM

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shadow nova Is spikes not hazards

Stealth rock is important too

low phoenix Aug 4, 2025, 5:39 PM

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i prioritize stealth rock over spikes as stealth rock hits everyone and only needs to be set once for maximum effect

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:40 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2178a0189d834b08

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okay wb this one

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:40 PM

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spikes can easily be ignored by non grounded mons+ stealth rock checks typing with damage

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:40 PM

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oh wait ghold w

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that not pecha

barren ridge Aug 4, 2025, 5:40 PM

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pallid heath That's not the purpose or this channel..

The purpose of the RMT section is to optimise teams. If your team is not workable you will be recommended to look into using a sample or such instead.

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:40 PM

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strange question but then treads need to spin/knock/set rocks+check stuff is that too tiring

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c4fa880bf5bf6065

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hows this

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:41 PM

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shadow nova https://pokepast.es/c4fa880bf5bf6065

Make treads ice spinner for Gliscor

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:41 PM

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nocturne sable Stealth rock is important too

Lmao sorry I was being a sarcastic little bitch I know what u meant

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:42 PM

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nocturne sable Make treads ice spinner for Gliscor

Over which move

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Knock?

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:42 PM

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Yea knock

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9833e54ae1e48afd

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okay what else

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Pecharunt make it max defense over speed and I think you’re good

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:43 PM

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But isn't it useful to have that faster parting shot

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Or does it not outspeed anything worth while

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:44 PM

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shadow nova But isn't it useful to have that faster parting shot

max def pecha allows pecha to tank physical hits better. And slow pivot can work too since it can bring your other mons safely without taking damage from switch

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:44 PM

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True true alright

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:44 PM

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shadow nova Or does it not outspeed anything worth while

Max speed pecha is mainly to outspeed tusk, but your tusk MU should be fine now that you have moltres on your team

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Anything else

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:45 PM

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I think it should be fine for now

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:45 PM

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nocturne sable Max speed pecha is mainly to outspeed tusk, but your tusk MU should be fine now ...

Oh okayy

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:45 PM

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nocturne sable I think it should be fine for now

But like is there anything I shud look out for / play carefully around

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Any warnings as such

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Tougher matchups I shud practice

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:45 PM

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is fat prima annoying here

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Hmm shud sludgebkmb not be enough

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On darkrai

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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or tbolt special val

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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What's val

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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valiant

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iron valiant

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Where do I fit that

limber spear Aug 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

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like u dont need it

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just seems hard to answer

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but its fine cuz it isnt common

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 5:47 PM

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Oh u mean I might have trouble against valiant

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I've found myself playing around valiant w fire tera zama p easily so far

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And if it's not speed boosted I think darkrai outspeeds it too right

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 5:57 PM

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shadow nova But like is there anything I shud look out for / play carefully around

Ogerpon wellspring and kyurem for sure. Those guys have an insanely good matchup into bulky offense teams like this. For specs kyurem you need to play around it and not let it in by hazard stacking, etc. Dragon kyurem though you have zamazenta to soft check. Same with Ogerpon. For a better Ogerpon MU you can change moltres Tera dragon/grass.

Prim is also annoying. And fairies in general but pecharunt should be able to handle most of the fairies fine. Tera steel zama with heavy slam over roar is also an option to improve your match up against fairies.

If you need a more sturdy spatk check to pair with Hamurott glowking is also an option on this team over something like pecharunt. And in the case of not hazard blocking moltres can be used to punish rapid spinners with flame body and you can force defoggers like corviknight and gweez to come in and give entry to darkrai. and now thinking about it you can make darkrai nasty plot over will o wisp for a more reliable wincon.

Sorry for the long message.

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https://pokepast.es/eae1614039f21ef3 something like this

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 6:02 PM

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No love it

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Wait a sec

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I wanna keep pecharunt tho I like the status spreading aspect

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Tho I do agree my team is pretty squishy on the special side

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I'll try that one

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Also what nature on pecha if I keep it

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ill try out both versions

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which i havent tried out either

nocturne sable Aug 4, 2025, 6:07 PM

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shadow nova Also what nature on pecha if I keep it

Bold

shadow nova Aug 4, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Okok

deft kestrel Aug 5, 2025, 2:50 AM

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anyone got tips on improving this scarf heatran team? https://pokepast.es/d113c8da0bfea746
struggles a lot against specs kyu and zama

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 5, 2025, 2:50 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn lark Aug 5, 2025, 3:50 AM

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deft kestrel anyone got tips on improving this scarf heatran team? https://pokepast.es/d113c8...

im not that experienced but doesnt wake kinda obliterate this team

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1 right draco into hydrapple and thats the game

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hawlucha too

deft kestrel Aug 5, 2025, 3:59 AM

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oh yea I lose to sun

robust dome Aug 5, 2025, 11:21 AM

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https://pokepast.es/28cb046915b7fb61 -
Kyurem Zama offensive core
with AV gking + Gambit
and Tusk for removal
Mola for wish turn and to tank
Gone undefeated till 1500s
any tips?

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 5, 2025, 11:21 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

robust dome Aug 5, 2025, 11:40 AM

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robust dome https://pokepast.es/28cb046915b7fb61 - Kyurem Zama offensive core with AV gkin...

Note gambit is supposed to be tera flying

limber spear Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1e1912e42c97d0ca i tried primepult but with removal+ a fatter team

gritty lake Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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limber spear https://pokepast.es/1e1912e42c97d0ca i tried primepult but with removal+ a fatte...

Just use the original

limber spear Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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ik but

gritty lake Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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robust dome https://pokepast.es/28cb046915b7fb61 - Kyurem Zama offensive core with AV gkin...

No ground immunity

limber spear Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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😭

gritty lake Aug 5, 2025, 11:52 AM

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Ur essentially throwing gliscor on offence

limber spear Aug 5, 2025, 11:53 AM

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cuz like

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i need flyer+rocks/spiker

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lando is the other option

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might as well just lando ig but then i lose knocker

nocturne sable Aug 5, 2025, 1:21 PM

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deft kestrel anyone got tips on improving this scarf heatran team? https://pokepast.es/d113c8...

Not really a big fan of some of the sets on this team

-Specs hydrapple is straight up not a good set and sinks a lot of your momentum at it gives free entry to resist like glowking, steels, etc.

-I know you’re building around scarf heatran but scarf heatran doesn’t really fit on your team. I think a set like that works best on more hyper offensive team structures like Sun or grassy terrain.

I think this team can easily improve if you just change hydrapple and heatran to their standard sets.

-give heatran rocks so that iron treads can drop stealth rocks for a move like ice spinner so you can improve your Gliscor MU

somber sapphire Aug 5, 2025, 4:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e738830e16c26b7e never ran toxic spikes gking

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is this team unviable?

tacit bluff Aug 5, 2025, 5:14 PM

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This is fine

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It's like

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Relatively standard ho

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I js think your type coverage could be better and you should drop glowking lowk

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If you want a pivot pecharunt works and you can use booster valiant for speed control over dragapult

somber sapphire Aug 5, 2025, 5:18 PM

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alright

stone sierra Aug 5, 2025, 5:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c7de6ed7d9147b03 made a sun team

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 5, 2025, 5:55 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

nocturne sable Aug 5, 2025, 5:57 PM

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stone sierra https://pokepast.es/c7de6ed7d9147b03 made a sun team

Ngl I’m not feeling this leafeon set. It doesn’t look like it’s breaking anything especially corviknight

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And why are you running booster tusk when you already have sun, change it to rocky helmet

stone sierra Aug 5, 2025, 6:04 PM

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nocturne sable Ngl I’m not feeling this leafeon set. It doesn’t look like it’s breaking anythin...

It’s mostly there for wake tbh

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Could go tera fire blast

low phoenix Aug 5, 2025, 6:07 PM

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how does leafeon check wake

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the leafeon when the wake clicks draco meteor/flamethrower

nocturne sable Aug 5, 2025, 6:08 PM

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stone sierra It’s mostly there for wake tbh

I think you should just run standard sun mons like venusaur,etc, leafeon isn’t a good Sun abuser and Bu Ceruledge doesn’t fit the pace of Sun imo. Also I would raging bolt life orb and maybe instead I would add heatran>>ceru here and you can go rocks with heatran if you’re running tflare tusk.

And definitely add proto speed wake or venu here over moth and leafeon. This sun team feels too slow.

trail whale Aug 5, 2025, 6:28 PM

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tacit bluff If you want a pivot pecharunt works and you can use booster valiant for speed co...

shouldn't the Tusk set change in there

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not one of your threats but also not a pivot feels awkward for offense

safe field Aug 5, 2025, 6:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ef48ef72ab35ffcd

the motto behind this build was grassy terrain offense with some fat offensive mons that just live forever with gterrain but the team feels mediocre at best to me

tacit bluff Aug 5, 2025, 8:21 PM

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trail whale shouldn't the Tusk set change in there

Oh didn't notice

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Yeah

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 6, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Hey @mint ridge, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

mint ridge Aug 6, 2025, 1:29 AM

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regal ginkgo Hey <@1370455260576878814>, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team,...

Mb

bronze bay Aug 6, 2025, 2:19 AM

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https://pokepast.es/098e6796d0d48b5d ok, I got a sun team that focuses on Walking Wake. Do I need to change anything?

regal ginkgoBOT Aug 6, 2025, 2:19 AM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

north nimbus Aug 6, 2025, 3:03 AM

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bronze bay https://pokepast.es/098e6796d0d48b5d ok, I got a sun team that focuses on Walkin...

This is just honest sun looks fine and pretty straight forward

bronze bay Aug 6, 2025, 3:04 AM

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north nimbus This is just honest sun looks fine and pretty straight forward

ok, is there anything that I should do to make it even better?

north nimbus Aug 6, 2025, 3:08 AM

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bronze bay ok, is there anything that I should do to make it even better?

It’s sun it’s as straightforward as it can be, could consider rocky helm on tusk to punish u turners and other physical attackers, but yeah

safe field Aug 6, 2025, 3:35 AM

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safe field https://pokepast.es/ef48ef72ab35ffcd the motto behind this build was grassy ter...

any thoughts?

north nimbus Aug 6, 2025, 4:19 AM

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safe field https://pokepast.es/ef48ef72ab35ffcd the motto behind this build was grassy ter...

You either commit to gterrain or not this ain’t like previous gens where you can use rilla / bulu to provide gterrain support, especially when rilla tj itself is a mid Mon

safe field Aug 6, 2025, 4:40 AM

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north nimbus You either commit to gterrain or not this ain’t like previous gens where you can...

fair enough, yeah usually rilla itself has felt like the one not pulling its weight

north nimbus Aug 6, 2025, 4:48 AM

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Yeah like I understand the vision but if this was any previous gen it would prob be more efficient

timid granite Aug 6, 2025, 6:10 PM

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I’m very new to OU and would like help with my sets- https://pokepast.es/054782248363ca73 Samurott has been really underwhelming and lando has been… ok

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