SV OU Rates

[elder knoll]

you already have two knockers

so you don’t need more

oh and you still need a gambit check

[limber spear]

so a set up has speed+ check gambit

[elder knoll]

yeah

[limber spear]

iron press zama

thats the only option left

[elder knoll]

yeah

[limber spear]

is it boots spam

or i could grab some lefties for my shield dog

[elder knoll]

we’re gonna need removal at some point

[placid yarrow]

Wait
Mind sending the team rn?

[limber spear]

(this is the place for sending team)

[placid yarrow]

So we are all on the same page

[limber spear]

treads work?

[placid yarrow]

No i mean current state

[limber spear]

i dont want 3 fighting type

oh

yeah

wait

gemme a sec

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/0967bf4dd7303ecc

[placid yarrow]

Ok thanks
Next we need our ghost

And removal

Well i say figure out the ghost first
Pecha Cha and dengo are our options

[limber spear]

whos cha

maybe pech

nvm dengo is better

[placid yarrow]

Sinischa
But you got wogre already

[limber spear]

oh

[limber spear]

oh what dengo i use

do i use t wave as a way to control speed

[elder knoll]

rn you need a guy who takes some pressure off of Zama to switch into Pon

and a way to get squishy guys in

[limber spear]

so a pivot

(volt switch treads)

[placid yarrow]

Pecha time

[limber spear]

what does this mean tho

my english is ass

imp pls help

[placid yarrow]

Just go pecha over dengo for that

[elder knoll]

You want a guy who helps get in Val and Pon while checking Wellspring

[placid yarrow]

Zama doesn't wanna be 1 answer to pon

[elder knoll]

yeah esp if it’s your win con

[limber spear]

basically the peach

oh

[elder knoll]

go the bulky set btw

[placid yarrow]

Yep compresses the pon answer, pivot, and ghost into 1 nice package

[limber spear]

now for remover

what can i chose

[elder knoll]

you need rocks and are weak to bolt

[limber spear]

oh

your tips r very good

https://pokepast.es/a09be7dd728502cb would i want a ground resist

corv? or the birds

fire resise nice

[placid yarrow]

I have seen some torn, some latios, dnite, corv

[limber spear]

torn is very nice

corv also works

lets do torn

[elder knoll]

you could go spdef Molt

since you still need a spdef guy

[limber spear]

i added av torn

does that do the job

[elder knoll]

it also helps ease your Val MU

[limber spear]

ok lets go molt them

[elder knoll]

depends on what you value

[placid yarrow]

Roar wisp roost flamethrower prob

[limber spear]

does uturn work

i can get my attackers in

[elder knoll]

sure

[placid yarrow]

Uhh sure

[limber spear]

yay

[elder knoll]

keep roar though

[placid yarrow]

Molt is flexible

[limber spear]

time to throw it into some test

[limber spear]

✅

[elder knoll]

you can drop roar on Zama for coverage

[placid yarrow]

You can battle me I have my own team to test

[limber spear]

i chose rest ironpress with cruch

[limber spear]

its midnight tho

idk maybe tmr

[placid yarrow]

Guess what
It's also midnight for me

[limber spear]

oh...

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/a26d2b71e9e164dd

I’d spdef invest treads though

[limber spear]

whats clear amulet doing

pech?

[elder knoll]

bullying Pech

[placid yarrow]

Denies parting shot

Learned it the hard way through draft

[limber spear]

thats some fun hidden tech

[placid yarrow]

Also helps vs lando

That should be it

[limber spear]

tysm for the help

both of u

[placid yarrow]

Anyways what i came here for
.

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/3df1f42be41b6c54

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/ca63a7c9a66b5181 chefed up this team and made tweaks wit some of yall's help. Lilligant-H has zero switch ins, she gets +2 for free basically

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lofty herald]

she could run growth but i like VD cos of speed post sun

[elder knoll]

You need a gambit answer

[placid yarrow]

Prim is the slot I am least sure about
The possibility is making dnite tera fairy

[trail whale]

I feel like the team wants to pivot enough that Speed Booster Valiant feels like awkward speed control, You're also lacking Fire & Water resists so Ace/Moth is annoying and Waterpon just kinda rolls through you.

I'd look into Dnite > Val and seeing how well triple priority can perform as speed control, esp since you've got double para mons. Moltres might become harder but honestly Weavile looks strong enough to overwhelm it, doing 40-46 with Icicle Crash and doing 50 with Knock Off. Can also just tweak the Dnite set to be Tera Fire Encore if you are having issues vs Molt.

[steel arrow]

i tried making a sun team is it any good? https://pokepast.es/02d9723551187f89

[trail whale]

bumping this for other raters to see

[lofty herald]

3 electric moves on bolt with tera electric and not even a balloon is ode, any ground type just murders it

[wooden linden]

a lack of any steel type makes it very hard to play around kyurem here

same with weavile

[placid yarrow]

Not a super big fan of pult as your spin blocker

[steel arrow]

its my main way of using bolt and i do tend to find success with it, i am low ladder tho so that probably changes things

[lofty herald]

u don't rly have a switch in for eq, weavile can take out half ur team

[wooden linden]

off the top of my head i'd suggest tinkaton over gliscor here

[lofty herald]

if u find success with it then that might just be your playstyle, but pulse or TB fairy/flying would work better with ur team

[steel arrow]

yeah ive changed it to flying js now

[lofty herald]

Val and weavile have a fun time with ur squad

[placid yarrow]

If you are gonna go sun webs
Well the first thing I would normally say is use leavanny but ribom is fine for those purpose ig
But just use tera grass solar blade ceru

[steel arrow]

i forgot it got that

[lofty herald]

but ribombee is good for speed control so i might be wrong

[steel arrow]

what shoul i drop?

[placid yarrow]

Prob cc for solar blade

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/eb7fea25be05a551
i'd say smth like this should suffice imo. took meow out for weavile since weav is faster and can also be much more threatening with its stabs

[charred needle]

https://pokepast.es/bdabe95f485cc651

changed it to a more balance type style instead of hazard stack

[charred needle]

I’ll try this out for sure

Ty

[placid yarrow]

Weavile especially cb mauls ribom on lead

[lofty herald]

fs

kyurem to

ppl be crazy i seen a kyurem lead

[placid yarrow]

Double rocks

[steel arrow]

i wanna run booster speed tusk but idk what to drop for it

[lofty herald]

u basically have to run sash on bee

[placid yarrow]

@charred needle uhhhh switch out ting's rocks for spikes or something

[wooden linden]

oh whoops

yeah put spikes on lu

[placid yarrow]

If you miss stun spore have fun with ddance kyu getting +1
And then speared
And then all the bad things kyu does

[lofty herald]

honestly if its scarf it might just sweep his team off rip

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeaj if you are gonna go sun webs

[lofty herald]

he'd have no speed control it COULD tera water(idek if its viable but its a possibility) to eat a hydro steam then freeze dry

wait doesn't kyurem usually run hdb, dice, or scarf anyway?

[placid yarrow]

Just commit to modest protospatk
But ribombee might just choke lo

[placid yarrow]

Hdb dice nmi specs

[lofty herald]

yea so both tails and bee get smoked by kyurem no matter what he leads, bee gets hit by spear and tails gets diffed by EP or even draco

[placid yarrow]

Last time sun webs was run
It had a certain moon we don't have anymore so

Yeah just go replace bee with something good

[steel arrow]

Like?

[lofty herald]

cant go wrong with gambit

[steel arrow]

oki

what tera?

[lofty herald]

i run tera dark but tera fairy is objectively better

[placid yarrow]

Hatt, Wing is a fun one, chloro mons, gambit

[lofty herald]

yea this my sun squad https://pokepast.es/ca63a7c9a66b5181

[steel arrow]

wing?

[lofty herald]

slither wing is a fun mon

shi has no switch ins

[placid yarrow]

Pretty good in sun too

[steel arrow]

is proto atk banded a good set or nah?

[lofty herald]

first impression always doing work it shits on lu

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah @steel arrow
I was watching wcop
There was a life orb tera grass solar beam bolt
Might wanna try that out

[steel arrow]

ok will do

also what wcop

kinda new to comp

[placid yarrow]

World Cup of Pokemon
Basically high level tournament thing

[steel arrow]

Like VGC?

[lofty herald]

for wing? Yea u can just u-turn for free cos honestly everyone shits themselves bcuz of first impression

[placid yarrow]

Vgc is different

[steel arrow]

got first imp cc uturn whats last?

[lofty herald]

flare blitz

[placid yarrow]

Blitz or Wild Charge

[lofty herald]

it checks corv

[steel arrow]

👍

[placid yarrow]

Sorry eq

[steel arrow]

tera fire?

[placid yarrow]

But yeah blitz is crazy

[lofty herald]

yessir

shi its nutty in the sun

[steel arrow]

idk i might go with eq

[lofty herald]

skam cant switch in, neither can corv, i could be wrong but im pretty sure banded proto atk first imp beats weavile OHKO

[steel arrow]

seems pretty able to break corvi by itself. 252+ Atk Choice Band Protosynthesis Slither Wing Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 300-354 (75.1 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[placid yarrow]

The more common set is av not band if you wanna go offensive slither

[lofty herald]

brave bird molly whops wing thats the thing

[steel arrow]

oh yh

This better?
https://pokepast.es/1bee103baee91773

[placid yarrow]

Looks fine
But might need adjustments depending on how it feels

[steel arrow]

ight

ill get back to you tmr, got stuff to do rn

[north nimbus]

Ngl

[nocturne sable]

Run weather ball on bolt

[placid yarrow]

Weather Ball or Solar Beam

[nocturne sable]

You don’t want to be blanking into iron treads

[lofty herald]

compy but WB or pulse on bolt is heatt

[north nimbus]

This squad is already very distinguishably similar to a squad sample that I are just better off running that given how close if not almost identical it is

[nocturne sable]

I mean most sun structures tend to be similar ngl

[north nimbus]

I mean

[lofty herald]

venu sun?

[north nimbus]

Ye

[steel arrow]

so that means im a good builder or sun is just a very similar team comp

[lofty herald]

sun in general is a good archetype

[north nimbus]

Sun is already a straight forward solved archetype, like a few lose ends with some unique surprise factor

[charred needle]

Is there ever a reason to go meow over weavile?

[nocturne sable]

Ig

[north nimbus]

tho I might as well use the one that will be more consistent and reliable especially if it’s the same mons already

[north nimbus]

You beat dozo and garg better

[steel arrow]

ight ima dip thx for the help

[placid yarrow]

Cya

[steel arrow]

bye :)

[lofty herald]

thats the fun thing ab sun, u can have the standard paradox mons and smt else like venu, Lilligant-h etc

even infernape is a demon in the sun

[wooden linden]

tbh though theyre fine vs dozo and garg

encore whirlwind future sight

[north nimbus]

ye meow is still a fraud

[gritty lake]

and idt replays are allowed here

[barren ridge]

Please stop misusing the rates channels or you will end up comp muted

[lofty herald]

wheres the replay channel

[barren ridge]

There isn’t one

Read #read-me

[lofty herald]

mb

[trail whale]

Im not a big believer in double choice breakers, seems like you want to go in an offensive direction with Lando T & Scizor as your pivots. I'd make the Valiant your speed control with Booster Speed. Team otherwise kind of 6-0d by AoA Zamazenta and Dragapult.

Hoopa I also dont understand, I get the high atk beat up gimmick but I think it overlaps as a dark type breaker with minimal opportunities to switch in. Its also not a ghost resist & quad weak to U-turn so Dragapult still looks rather rough, I'd look into smth like Kingambit in the slot.

I also think Dnite can get a bit more greedy, a set better into Moltres / Corviknight would help out Weavile & Scizor out a lot.

[lofty herald]

psyshock or luster purge on latios?

[hot dome]

ask in #comp-general in the future, but latios usually runs luster or psychic noise

[lofty herald]

damn my bad

[minor torrent]

The team probably sucks, and was mostly made just so I could try using my favorite mon (goodra) in comp, but anyways rate the team https://pokepast.es/3548b7edbc6de32d

also I have barely ever done comp

[low phoenix]

this looks like an offense team with goodra hisui slapped onto it for some reason which just saps momentum away

goodra hisui is super niche and if you want to build around it you're going to have to overhaul this entire team to build around it

if youre new to building you should look at the sample teams to get an idea of what is good

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[minor torrent]

yeah, did a battle with the team, lost with only having taken down one mon

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/95dcd678618ce2bf lati becomes a superpowered elektross

lmk what yall think I'll take any critiques and adjustments

i was thinking putting low kick over I-crash on weavile for a more consistent gambit counter, yeah i got moltres but i feel like gambit is to much of a threat

omg i didnt even notice healer mola

forget that

[nocturne sable]

I feel like alot of mons in this team are overlapping with eachother.

You don’t need double AV mons, especially not av latios

This team is also very passive as it has no hazard setters, no real breaking power and a lot of passive mons like wish mola which give Waterpon free entry to 6-0 your team.

If you want a balance team that utilizes chilly reception I recommend running cores like cinderace-glowking-kyurem etc

They should be included in samples

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[lofty herald]

thanks im finna get back in the lab i immediately noticed that it forces my hand in the 3 games i played wit it

i get pressured by mons like gambit and even garg pressures it

[stone sierra]

please just use the samples

[lofty herald]

im tryna get better at building so nah

[stone sierra]

samples help you get better

they let you understand what makes a team good

and what mons answer what

trust me i thought the same thing as you

just use samples for a couple weeks

[lofty herald]

aii bet im finna study these squads for a bit

preciate it

[low phoenix]

You do realize latios gets thunderbolt right

And idk who av latios is supposed to wall unlike say av primarina or glowking

[hot dome]

vest latios isn't good, literally no reason to run it over vest primarina

[trail whale]

You will improve by better understanding the meta through using samples, taking a crack at it with minimal experience will usually have you banging your head at a wall for a while.

https://pokepast.es/1e03a51ae014e117

[low phoenix]

Can garg work on teams without hazard control?

Ik its usually paired with something like tusk cuz like pon it hates getting chipped

[trail whale]

im trying to remember why I had Garg rn 🔥

also that Zama should be Ice Fang > Hslam

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/682d2abaa3250fa2

Draft for a team I’m making

Is there a way to fit sharp beak dnite in this team or should I just use boots

Tinkaton can be cinderace I’m thinking

[trail whale]

you can justify it with like Tinkaton -> Cinderace and Ogerpon -> stronger speed control

[low phoenix]

Double dragon is probable

Dnite + dragapult

[nocturne sable]

Tinka works as a knock absorber im thinking no?

And can soft check kyurem

[low phoenix]

Since I have Pech

https://pokepast.es/d8cd62ba9dd41654

@trail whale

[trail whale]

this seems fine yeah

[low phoenix]

I had ogerpon as ting Lu seems to bully this team easily but I’ll play around

I can give tusk cc but then I’d have no rocker

[north nimbus]

Me thinks you go Tera fire gambit here cause wisp pult looks annoying

[low phoenix]

What about the Lu matchup?

[north nimbus]

Lu Mu is fine ish, just gotta keep tusk healthy throughout most of the game

[stone sierra]

what abt scarf rai?

[north nimbus]

Rai in general actually looks mad annoying outside of gambit

Gotta play focus miss or pray u don’t get tricked/ wisp

[clever berry]

I like how the team is tbh - all of Lando, Scizor, Hoopa-U are good at their job
Ironically the biggest disappointment here is Weavile itself
Beat Up doesn't hit as hard as I thought - e.g. it doesn't OHKO Glimmora without Tera

[clever berry]

True..Valiant is just there coz I have bias...but yeah I did think about Pult over it...for extra pivoting and spinblocking

[trail whale]

😭 I was trying to build in respect to the idea. I think you can still apply my advice but replace mentions of Hoopa with Weavil

[clever berry]

I know
Just that the idea is flop as it realized it while testing
In SS, Beat up Weavile was a menace, but SV being much more power crept, you have stronger moves than 115 BP attack from 120 atk mon - and needs all 6 mons alive withput status for that BP

If we want a consistent nuke dark type attack, Hoopa-U has that already
So does Black Glasses Tera Dark Gambit in late game

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/125f4431f9d695ed

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stable gale]

Any notable weakness

[gritty lake]

Wheres my ground immunity

[stone sierra]

The concept of ground types

[limber spear]

isnt negativ speed alo better and using boots

[stable gale]

any idea for changes for this team, i do have air Balloon and tera flying t tar and Ogerpo can sw in at least 1 time

[stable gale]

I thought that Excadrill and Cinderace are good at clearing field I thought that left also help with sand chip

[limber spear]

oh yeah ok

[gritty lake]

Congratulations on making the first ever garchomp weak team in sv ou

[clever berry]

Not needed in SV

In every team

Alo can do it

Ogerpon-W also pressures them all

Although Sand in SV OU is trash

Look at the VR

[stable gale]

i think garchomp usage is low and most people use tank chomp

[clever berry]

Chomp can be RKed by Ogerpon-W and Excadrill

While Alo pivots around it

Spikes with Court change is ironical

[stable gale]

btw what do u mean by rked

[clever berry]

Revenge Killed

Offensive mon getting beaten by faster mon after you kill its teammate

it means after one of your pokemon is knocked out
you send out one that can knock out the opposing one

[gritty lake]

Not as easy as u think it is

[clever berry]

Nothing here lets it switch in for free

Alo and Ace burn it ; Pecha Toxics
Ogerpon-W and Exca are faster
TTar has Ice Beam

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/219c3df9c2f29adc this team sudden dies to lo np deox -s

[placid yarrow]

Your answer depends on coverage prob
Waterpon tera most likely
Or maybe zama tera

[limber spear]

at +2 psycho boost ohko zama

(teraed zama)

[placid yarrow]

Oh wait I forgot it isn't tera dark

[limber spear]

i didnt tera woger tho

cuz like my team has no scarf

[placid yarrow]

Normally I would just suggest go ting-lu for that but uhhh lemme.drum up a solution

[limber spear]

yeah

so do i drop a woger

then i lose a breaker

or replace moltres but ground immune + fire is jsut grea

ting can fix my weak spdef size tho

or just do dengo>pech cuz resist psychic

[placid yarrow]

You could try a dnite set

[limber spear]

tbh i feel like its just me pilovting it badly

[limber spear]

weak to ice tho

somewhat i wish its be playing badly but also wish its the team's problem 😭

[placid yarrow]

It kinda sucks but if deo destroys you that badly you might just need espeed to save you
Prob tera as usual

[limber spear]

oh yeah

then how about zama

i got my win con already

also i find my woger barely clicking spikes

[placid yarrow]

You can run a bulky set on these sorts of teams

[limber spear]

like its me thinking yeah why click spikes when woger does a shit ton

[placid yarrow]

Remember when I said wogre is not a great main spiker
That's sort of the problem

*not a

[limber spear]

its bulk is mid

and its offense is too good

[placid yarrow]

Honestly just go ting for your spiking needs

[limber spear]

but i dont want to redo cuz like its annoying for both of u

what if i use ebelt val + woger offense(sd set as win con)

and ting pecha/dengo to round up ghost and stack core

[placid yarrow]

Up to you really
We shouldn't be going too off the rails with the convo this time around
We weren't supposed to be building here yesterday

[clever berry]

coz not great speed control
simplest thing to do here is Booster Valiant

Treads is decent vs Deo-S too

Idt it has Focus Miss

[limber spear]

correct

[clever berry]

I think Treads can take a superpower

[placid yarrow]

Plot deo can very much run focus miss

[clever berry]

Oh ok
Nvm them
I thought it doesn't learn that coz it usually runs SuperPower

[limber spear]

let me build a team on top on this one and post it here , if it fails imma stick to my team now and assume its my problem(likely)

[clever berry]

Or is it just for Blissey and Lu?

[placid yarrow]

That's on mixed sets

And the lead set

[clever berry]

Yeah
You have 0 Ghost resists

You need a Dark type somewhere

[limber spear]

yeah i saw that

ok let me retry

(how does scarf zama sound like)

[clever berry]

Horrendous

Fighting STAB is bad to be locked into

If you wanna do Scarf, Valiant is arguably better

Because it has Fairy STAB to spam

[limber spear]

i personallly rlly like valiant with ebelt

it hits nicely on opposing glowking (2 hit)

[clever berry]

I feel that you need Hamurott here badly

Idk instead of whom though

[limber spear]

over tinglu?

scarf h sam as speed control?

[clever berry]

You have Ting Lu? https://pokepast.es/219c3df9c2f29adc

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/09ef3fecd4db1845 this rn

[clever berry]

Ting Lu is fine

Yeah you need Speed

[limber spear]

i have breaking power now

[clever berry]

Scarf Lando maybe

[limber spear]

dragapult? but then i weak to ice as heck

[clever berry]

Although you are weak to Kyurem

[limber spear]

0 resistent

[clever berry]

Is Ogerpon needed?

[limber spear]

my team also lacking pivot

[limber spear]

thats the one i want to play around

i need a levitate that isnt weak to ice

uh scarf rotom wash?

it has all i need

[clever berry]

I think Scarf Lando
And a a Kyurem check instead of Ogerpon - you could maybe Crown? Crown also helps vs Deoxys

[limber spear]

speed ground immune ice resist and pivot

[clever berry]

Oh wait

3 grounds if Lando

[limber spear]

only 1 knock off seems hard to play around

[clever berry]

Nah 1 is fine

Valiant gets to click it a lot

But if you want more knock, Samu over Lu

AV Samu

[limber spear]

workable

and scarf lando?

[clever berry]

Yeah

Something that checks Kyurem over Ogerpon-W

[limber spear]

the we better not find a freeze dry kyruem team

[clever berry]

Its redundant with Valiant here I think

A steel

[limber spear]

what is wall breaking then

[clever berry]

Valiant?

Valiant + Hazards

[limber spear]

ok

[clever berry]

Good enough

[limber spear]

yeah mix val breaks stall

esp with e bolt

[clever berry]

Maybe Gholdengo over Ogerpon-W

To keep Hazards

[limber spear]

what dengo

[clever berry]

P Def I think

[limber spear]

pech does the job but ok i get it

[clever berry]

Or not

Oh wait

Yeah Pecha is here

Dengo is better at keeping up Hazards coz it blocks Corv's Defog

[limber spear]

i want a win con

bulky set up dengo?

[clever berry]

Pecha helps you vs Opp Ogerpon

[clever berry]

Actually nah, you could do offensive ballon

Gives you a sweeper

[limber spear]

in the search button

i typed in "offensive ballon"

instead of dengo

https://pokepast.es/1f900aef0a08e3f2 here ya go

[placid yarrow]

Oh yeah
Make aqua jet sucker

[limber spear]

its 252 speed dengo*

[clever berry]

Razor Shell is needed for opp Tusk

Amazing team otherwise

[limber spear]

oh...

cant i just flip on a tusk switching in

or like nah

[clever berry]

Idt it does a lot

You can try it tho

But if Tusk removes all you hazards

You can switch Aqua for Razor

[limber spear]

oh...

yeah prolly that

[clever berry]

Also if you feel breaking power isn't enough, maybe even toy with Specs Dengo

Coz I can see Gliscor being annoying

[limber spear]

havnt seen one for some reason

[clever berry]

And Valiant's Moonblasts don't 2HKO SpDef Gliscor

[placid yarrow]

Yeah because specs dengo isn't obvious until they hit you

[limber spear]

so do i run specs

[placid yarrow]

Try it out

[limber spear]

but then i lose a wincon tho

ok imma test it

[placid yarrow]

Switch to balloon np as usual if it doesn't work out

[limber spear]

can i run tbolt

this team doesnt like birds much

[clever berry]

No bird likes to take Shadow Ball from Dengo

Plus Valiant lures and TBolts them

[limber spear]

uh so i run recover or psychic or focus blast

i run tbolt cuz it also catches some prima and h sam

[clever berry]

On Specs, ofc not recover

Ah

[clever berry]

Good point
Though make it rain does a lot to them with specs, I'm sure

You could do Psyshock for stall

Focus Miss for Gambit

[limber spear]

i wonder if my team struggles against stall tho

i having seen one

it rlly depends on valiant

[clever berry]

Valiant + Hazards don't help?

Maybe do Trick on Dengo then

[limber spear]

haven’t seen one yet

maybe focus miss

but h sam can take and also there is intim support

i am kinda worried on the special side tho

like surely my team got intim+ pech but on the special side there is not much defensive options

like av h sam spdef stat is only 240 or lower which isn’t great and treads has a lot to do in this team too

[clever berry]

Nah
AV H Samu and Treads are enough on a BO

[limber spear]

oh ok

ois that treads ev good enough

[clever berry]

Kyurem is fair bit of concern

[limber spear]

or max attack

[limber spear]

i gotta trade/tera

idm that

[clever berry]

Yeah

You can RK it with Valiant

[limber spear]

u can do smth dmg on it and sac smth and revenge with lando

yeah val works

i can sac one of them

and trade

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c313345a95da4d4c

[slender chasm]

I would appreciate some feedback on my current sun team. https://pokepast.es/0f0178614c359620

It's not really that different from the sample.

I use ninetales instead of Torkoal because Encore is a lifesaver against king gambit, gliscor and some other boosting threats. I've even been thinking about running lower speed to make her slower than dragonite and other boosting sweepers. Sometimes I can see a boost coming a mile away but she's just too fast to encore.

Walking wake is just there as your usual breaker. I run Weather Ball because it can OHKO Ogrepon after stealth rock. Flip turn is there to keep as much momentum as I can as I really can't afford to switch. Though the lack of dragon pulese hurts

Great tusk's item follows the trend of keeping momentum and immediately switch to a more appropriate Pokemon once like Walking Wake to keep making holes on the opponent's team. I use knock off instead of ice spinner because I struggle A LOT against stall, so being able to remove heavy duty boots guves me a chance.

Haterene is crucial for the Team as I can't allow my opponent to set hazards up AND she can switch into u turns or volt switches to deny momentum. I use Future Sight because Psyhic noise barely was relevant and the few tims she even gets the time to attack whatever her original target was is long gone. That way I can set some traps at least and keep pressure

Ceruledge. The amount of sweeping this Pokemon can do if I play my cards right is absurd. I run the solar blade variant because I detest alomomola, dondozo, garganacl and some other Pokemon with a passion. The whole team is built so that I can give it a safe entry with an intact focus sash as much as possible via all the ammount of switching the whole team does.

Problem is, I need to play my cards absolutely right. I can't afford single mistake. Letting the opponent set up stealth rock is an instant game over for me...Which is why poor haterene does nothing but use eject button and die.

[stable gale]

i think Slither Wing is not need

btw Hatterene has no nature

go with bold

[wooden linden]

Slither is a fine pick here

[slender chasm]

I was running venasaur and got destroyed

[wooden linden]

Idt eject pack tusk is all that great so i'd say max hp max speed with rocky helmet

[slender chasm]

And nowadays pokemon are just too fast even for +2 ceruledge

[stable gale]

i don't think it's doing much other than strong priority

i know it has av

[wooden linden]

Rai check and wellspring check

Plus strong uturn to boot

Very solid on sun teams

And a ground resist so the team isnt run over by grounds

[stable gale]

rai is ?

[wooden linden]

Darkrai

[stable gale]

ahh

it can't sw to wellspring tho

[wooden linden]

Sun weakens ivy cudgel

[thin rose]

https://pokepast.es/6f496dc5591450ab
Help me fix this sun team, I just dont really like venu on sun

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[slender chasm]

Yes, Choice scarf darkrai is getting too common for me

[stable gale]

when using this, Garganacl was giving me the problem

[wooden linden]

I would put stealth rocks on great tusk here tbw

And just switch to the defensive set on smogon

[thin rose]

Nice topic here is sun

[thin rose]

Isn't Wake destroys garg

Just with the right pivots?

[stable gale]

when it tera

[slender chasm]

Not if it tera waters

[stable gale]

it can't KO without rain

[thin rose]

That's why u need a grass mon there

[stable gale]

i mean in org team

[thin rose]

U can bait teras with wake then sweep with venu/rillaboom later (like my team)

[slender chasm]

Rillaboom is there to eaken earthquakes?

[thin rose]

Ye

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/0f0178614c359620 i mean in this team

[wooden linden]

Tbh if you really dont wanna venu here then maybe bolt would work out

[slender chasm]

Also, how do people actually play Hatterene? Mine just dies horribly each game

[thin rose]

Im considering bolt too but idk for whom

[stable gale]

btw in Slither Wing can it run 252 hp

[thin rose]

I like rillaboom for support/mini offense pivot

[stable gale]

252 hp with adamant

[wooden linden]

Bolt is fine as a pivot here still with volt switch

[slender chasm]

Every game is the send. Send her into landorus, ting lu, garganacl, great tusk...Only for them to NEVER click stealth rock and her to just take a big hit, eject out and not being able to do anything else but be a sacrifice

[wooden linden]

Speed is more important here

[slender chasm]

But I just can't afford the chance of having stealth rock up no matter how small

[thin rose]

Ah if I remove rilla, i dont have any eq/ground absorber

Just like his team

[stable gale]

i think most of the time u need it for First Impression

[wooden linden]

You have a slither wing

Youre fine vs grounds here

[slender chasm]

You can always be a madman and run solar power charizard

Ground Immunity and an absurdly powerful fire attack

[wooden linden]

Chari isnt great even on sun with how weak it is to rocks

[stable gale]

btw why not +speed tusk

[wooden linden]

All the tusks are max speed here

[stable gale]

I mean it will get booster speed

[wooden linden]

You can do whatever with tusk here

[placid yarrow]

Why is hatt serious

[stable gale]

why not lower the attack for +speed from Protosynthesis

[thin rose]

Aight I'll try bolt

Rilla is just great with terrain recovery

And another ground absorber

[slender chasm]

Bolr and slither wing form a volturn core

And since you have grassy terrain you can get away with calm mind

[thin rose]

Wat

[barren ridge]

Please don’t give advice if you don’t know what you’re talking about. There are much better sun abusers. If you want to play Charizard in sun try natdex. No advice is better than bad advice and raters are already here providing input. Misuse of the rates channels will swiftly be met with a comp mute.

[thin rose]

Why you have grassy terrain

[slender chasm]

For ground immunity it seems

resistance*

[placid yarrow]

And solar power recoil
And all the bad things

[thin rose]

I mean none of the teams have rillaboom in the first place

[slender chasm]

From what I've experienced sun doesn't really have any variance. There is just a single slot you have open.

You need both Hatterene and Great Tusk because stealth rock is everywhere. You need ninetales for the sun, walking wake to weaken things and then you can start building a team

[thin rose]

You have 4 here

Why said you can form a volt turn core with slither and bolt while having rilla?

[slender chasm]

Sun can't exactly afford to do defensive switches. You can only do 2 or 3 per match

Especially against slowking

Are there any answers for it?

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/8bbc203d1c05f7b2 yay may i ask mcribs for opinion 😦

its pretty good but i wanna see more opinion

this team struggles with garg tho

[stable gale]

i am not mcribs but u could use encore on vailant

[thin rose]

Uh how?

[limber spear]

cant get in safely

like can deal but looses a lot of hp

[thin rose]

Ahhh ic

[limber spear]

so like all my pivots r faster than garg

[barren ridge]

Likewise, while commenting that they have a missing nature is fine and all, please don't go suggesting EV spreads if you don't know what's right for the mon or archetype. Misuse of these channels will result in a comp mute.

[limber spear]

lando was my only safe choice here with eq but its not even that much after lefties + recover + protect

[cold cosmos]

thats just garg vs offense tho

or most stuff in general

[stable gale]

Should I explain properly what why 252 hp is better than 252 speed in my comment ?

[limber spear]

cuz like i wanted to see if there is anyway to reduce the dmg

if no then i gotta get rhough it

[barren ridge]

You should read the strategy dex entry because those speed EVs are there on offensive slither wing for a reason.

[worn lark]

I mostly play offense and garg is pretty annoying in any case because of how bulky it feels + salt cure dealing 1/8 hp every turn

[barren ridge]

Bulky is only on defensive/utility sets.

[worn lark]

Why tho

I mean, you’re probably clicking first impression at leadt half the time id assume

[barren ridge]

I am not nitpicking you over just one statement though. Don't misuse the channels. Don't clog the channels. Don't provide advice if you don't know what you're saying. No advice is better than bad advice and raters will eventually get to teams. Having 5 people providing middling advice makes it substantially harder for raters to sift back through this thread and find the teams to rate.

[worn lark]

Ohh wait nvm i get it now

[wooden linden]

I dont really like the double ghosts here

[limber spear]

h sam is kind of busy here

[wooden linden]

I think you prob can take ghold out for smth against garg

[limber spear]

i agree

what would u recommand

i need a wincon

would sash sd ceru work

but that thing is ghost too

[wooden linden]

Nah idt ceru would work here

[placid yarrow]

ceru is ho only

[wooden linden]

If you need a wincon and a garg switch i'd say

Hydrapple most likely

The team wants a wellspring switch anyways so you might as well

[limber spear]

it was pech doing that

[placid yarrow]

drapple is good

[limber spear]

and hosestly its nice

71% from a tera +2

[wooden linden]

Pech is good but having a secondary check is nice

[limber spear]

np set?

[wooden linden]

You can go more offensive np yeah

Max spa max hp iirc

[limber spear]

yeah ok

thanks

[wooden linden]

Oh wait nvm enough speed for ting lu

Then max spa and rest in hp

[limber spear]

got it

thanks

is the team fine after that

[placid yarrow]

Hydrapple @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Def / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Fickle Beam
• Giga Drain
• Earth Power

it's the default set in the builder but here

[limber spear]

[wooden linden]

Team is fine yeah

[limber spear]

pinkstork and imp r too broken

[limber spear]

[nocturne sable]

Did you not send this team before.

[limber spear]

wait dont i run 252 spa

like 248 spa

[placid yarrow]

oh mb'

[limber spear]

nah its fine just asking

[placid yarrow]

uhh transfer

def into spatk

and prob modest

[limber spear]

ok

thanks

[tacit bluff]

Not strictly true

Covert cloak bulk up has been used on bo

Just ftr

[placid yarrow]

I have only seen it on veil?
I can see it on some bos but generally ceru is ho

[tacit bluff]

Generally yes but not always

Same could be said about glimmora, it can be used outside of ho

[placid yarrow]

it's a bit of an oversimplification
but it's generally true unless it can patchup some specific mus

[tacit bluff]

I agree but also I tend to try and avoid absolute statements

[placid yarrow]

fair enough

[tacit bluff]

Ur statement about ceru not fitting there is correct but just generally

[placid yarrow]

I prob should have put a disclaimer
or something idk

[tacit bluff]

Nw ur good but js wanted to point that out

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/35879583d8a7faba i feel like my knocker aint great

doesnt have garchomp

[north nimbus]

This is very reminiscent of a sample squad

Only difference is like dengo > lokix and pecha > gking

[gritty lake]

oh wow

so is this good

[north nimbus]

I do honestly prefer pecha here over gking and then something else over dengo but it’s fine

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/d807f4f2249a4667

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

Double sr

Hoenstly i liek this

[stone sierra]

Oops

[north nimbus]

I still think u get better value of boots then ebelt on zama

But this looks fun

[stone sierra]

Was worried about the teams ability to break

[north nimbus]

It’ll be fine tho I also think ep > sub on kyurem, coverage is really helpful and u basically hit everything with double ice and ep

[round portal]

tried to build heatran https://pokepast.es/866d23e73a4aaab1

i dont really feel like i'm using gliscor enough tho

[slim sphinx]

https://pokepast.es/19f83c82d3519ab9 what can i do to make this not poopass

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[atomic silo]

https://pokepast.es/489c1889d0934081 trying to make a grassy sun team! wondering about the weaknesses of the team and what i should use instead of ice spinner on great tusk to not get rid of terrain.

might also want to swap sd on rilla for uturn for momentum because sun likes that

could also lean into the support of grassy terrain with bulk up tera bug flash fire ceruledge

looking forward to some advice :D

[atomic silo]

i also like how grassy terrain nerfs eq for all the ground weak pokemon

[magic walrus]

And that applies to ur tusk aswell

And earth power

[atomic silo]

i dont think that grassy terrain nerfs all ground moves

its just earthquake

[gritty lake]

Headlong and earth power aren't weakened yea

[atomic silo]

Does ice fang instead of spinner work on tusk or is it too much weaker than spinner

[stone sierra]

Way too weak

Ngl

[atomic silo]

Yeah there’s no immediate breaking power is there

[stone sierra]

Seems like you just copied the ctc sample team

[stone sierra]

Already have sale there

[stone sierra]

Then changed a couple mons

It’s a direct downgrade

I’d just use his team

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone sierra]

Just use the sun team here

[atomic silo]

“Grassy sun team” I wanna use the grassy terrain

[stone sierra]

You gotta do one or the other
Rillaboom and Sun don’t mix well

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/67b77358a2eb1e4c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

idea was lokix kyurem if not obvious

[nocturne sable]

Just a few notes on your team.

-this rillaboom set here isn’t really good. terrain extender rilla does not run swords dance. Terrain extender rilla likes running 4 attacks with low kick, u-turn, knock off and grassy glide. Also I’m not sure what the 4 spdef evs are for

I’m guessing you want to combine grassy terrain+sun to boost heatran, which seems like an interesting concept but unfortunately takes up really important sun turns. Sun wants to make the most out of its turns

It seems like you’re trying to mix grassy terrain BO with Sun which is kinda awkward since Sun tends to operate like HO more, so you would rather want more mons that can abuse sun over rillaboom. but if you want to keep rillaboom and do some cheese with it im thinking you can potentially run swords dance tblast fire to hit past corv, etc while still having strong priority in grassy glide

[nocturne sable]

This team is running banded Lokix and specs kyurem with very little hazard support and struggles into mons like gholdengo, etc

[cold cosmos]

yea

[nocturne sable]

You need an actual ghost resist on your team

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/9add986ddc27b89c may i have some too please (thanks)

thehydrapple ev is idk i just feel frail on the special side

[nocturne sable]

The easiest solution is running ting Lu over something like Gliscor

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/174e103d25fca64f

https://pokepast.es/098c155400dd4774

v2

@nocturne sable

[nocturne sable]

The first one seems fine from a glance

[cold cosmos]

kk

[nocturne sable]

I still think you need that extra hazard support though since you’re running both Lokix and kyurem so corv>>torn

And slowking might be better off just being a glowking but that’s just me

[cold cosmos]

need speed control

[nocturne sable]

You have strong priority in Lokix and thunder wave from king can aid kyurem.

+torn is only to outspeed waterpon no? I think you’re already over prepared for pon anyways+Lokix can revenge kill if you need it to

[cold cosmos]

overprepared for pon

where

[nocturne sable]

The triple Tera grass.

[cold cosmos]

lol

fairs

[nocturne sable]

Btw, run dual status gweez with toxic, it can help vs set up sweepers like dnite, ceru etc

[cold cosmos]

k

for what

[nocturne sable]

Strange steam

[cold cosmos]

?

steam is good

[nocturne sable]

4 support gweez is a real set

[cold cosmos]

i dont doubt that\

fairyy coverage is always good tho

ooo

but wait

toxic

for garg

[nocturne sable]

If you want the fairy coverage you can just drop willo then.

[trail blaze]

Its for doubkes trying to make mimikyu good

[barren ridge]

Hey this isn't the channel for doubles, go to https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158 . you should also use team sharables here rather than sharing a screenshot. You can find the upload buttons at the bottom of that page in the teambuilder

!psteams

[regal ginkgo]

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[lofty herald]

thoughts on this kyurem+sinistcha hazard stack team? https://pokepast.es/365938836551d6b4

[wooden linden]

Kyurem and wake here dont really work out that well since you dont have hazard removal like rapid spin here

and hazard stack teams need a knock off user

[empty verge]

This entire team as a whole kinda lacks synergy

Ngl

No flying type leaves you wide open to other stuff too like tusk and Gliscor as air balloon dengo will be too busy answering stuff like ival and clef

[final relic]

kyurem set kinda sucks

why are both your normally spdef mons full physdef

wake is way out of place

as others said no removal + several hazard weak mons + no knock absorber is asking to get rolled

dengo set is also kinda suboptimal

[north nimbus]

You just rebuilt his entire team

[wooden linden]

shit maybe i did

[north nimbus]

Definitely did

[wooden linden]

well tbh i couldnt fit a lot of the original team here without some wacky issues

[north nimbus]

Atp you just tell them to rebuild the team if you do more then 3 changes tbh

[wooden linden]

fair enough

[wooden linden]

i'd say rebuilding your team would be for the best here unfortunately

[stone sierra]

Nah that set is heat

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ceb87993fbfa0b6b made a ting clef boots spam Bo, thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Pon looks dicey

Also you probably want some form of removal for tornadus-T

Utility Fog sciz could work

I think zama > keldeo and dnite > pult helps and then Tera ghost on ting Lu possibly but I’ll let the others tip in with their opinions too

Dnite helps the pon problem and zama gives you more assurance vs stuff like gambit

(Soft checks pon too)

While providing decent speed control

[final relic]

yea pon gets rocks up and then kills 1 per switchin

i think you definitely need some form of like dnite + removal as wildfire said

if you want you could go tera grass twave on clef

since idt you really need another breaker here

cm boots keld is very strange

[worn lark]

https://pokepast.es/37da5d8cbb7837b0
hi, changed some mons to make an actual bulky offense/balance type of thing. despite the lack of reliable speed control, i've found i don't actually struggle with speed that much.

Iron Crown
Future Sight helps blow up physical walls like dondozo and toxapex, while providing an additional threat that must be dealt with in addition to one of Crown/Scizor/Ghold/Heatran's attacks
Tachyon cutter to deal with physically weak threats and to round out its STAB
Focus blast as coverage, though i rarely find myself using this.
Volt switch as a fast pivoting option, and a good way to get chip for my other attackers.
Tera Water allows Crown to stop a lot of sweeps from threats such as Iron moth, and assault vest helps it assist Alo and Heatran in defensive tasks

Alolomola
Not much to say here, a standard wish passing mixed defensive set. Flip turn to gain momentum and scald for the occasional burn. Wish and protect are self explanatory. Tera grass allows Alo to wish pass on ogerpon wellspring and raging bolt, and helps with my team's ground weakness. Alo is also a very good anti-rain.

Corviknight
Physically defensive monster, able to 1v1 Weavile and other fighting weak threats that Alo might struggle with. U turn to steal momentum, roost to heal on non-threats, and defog as my team's removal, also helping against screen teams. Body press as an option to deal with frailer opponents so corv isn't completely passive.

Heatran
Spdef heatran as my team lacked enough specially tanky pokemon for threats. With air baloon intact, it can 1v1 and take out the likes of gholdengo, iron moth, and special only iron valiant. Magma storm and earthquake as a good and simple option not leaving many resisted combos, rocks as my only hazards and to wear down stall teams, and wisp to spread status and help it on the physical side against sweepers.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

this looks more like a balance than a bulky offense

[worn lark]

yeah

[low phoenix]

also you lose to wogerpon

[north nimbus]

5 steels and a mola

[worn lark]

wait

[nocturne sable]

I think you might want a ground type

[worn lark]

i didnt even plan to steel spam

[worn lark]

then i lose worse to woger though

[low phoenix]

ground types are some of the best mons in the meta

you pair them with a woger check like zama zapdos dragapult pecharunt etc

[worn lark]

fair

[north nimbus]

But yeah honestly

I think ur better off rebuilding cause well

This is just steel spam with mola

[worn lark]

so like lando/gliscor/lu?

[low phoenix]

depending on the type of team

youre trying to make

[worn lark]

more of a balance

[low phoenix]

lando gliscor lu have distinct niches from each other

[worn lark]

actually looking at it i could turn this into a hazard stack with a bit of work

[worn lark]

yeah ik

[low phoenix]

i think you should just look at a sample for inspiration at this point

[worn lark]

i have

they're kinda just

[low phoenix]

cuz this team isnt fixable

[worn lark]

boring though

i've played a few samples

[low phoenix]

If you see a “less boring “ team it was very likely built by an experienced player who knows the team/meta like the back of their hand

[north nimbus]

I already stated to rebuild the squad

Like

[worn lark]

yeah

[elder knoll]

you need at least 3 substitutions

for this team

[north nimbus]

I understand ur vision but unintentionally created steel spam

[worn lark]

yeah

[north nimbus]

Even the mons make sense just created huge weakness overlap

[worn lark]

yeah moth runs through me hard once air baloon on heatran is gone

[sick scarab]

https://pokepast.es/65464220466aa8ef

trying to make a Balanced Offense team

[low phoenix]

we dont help with incomplete teams

#comp-general for that

[worn lark]

like for exampe i played a dragonite offense by pinkacross for a lil while

[elder knoll]

go dig through that massive WCUP team dump

there’s 100 of em

or go steal teams

from OLT

[nocturne sable]

“Steal olt teams” it’s cycle 1 gang 💔🥀

It’s most like cheese fodder/cteam that will probably be discarded once it ends

[atomic silo]

Thank you for the advice! I’ll swap rilla to U-turn to maximise momentum since it’s sun and Tera blast fires really nice to take advantage of sun so that’s a nice idea tysm

I think I’ll add some grass chlorophyll mons to take advantage of the grassy terrain grass buff too

[nocturne sable]

Venusaur is the primary chlorophyll abuser

And there are alternative ones like whimscott.

Wouldn’t really advice stacking on too much grass types though but venu seems decent.

[atomic silo]

I’ll probably put venu over ceru then

[nocturne sable]

Should be fine

[sick scarab]

trying to make my silly Clef set work

https://pokepast.es/90aae8e7abe52d2a

idk how to deal with rain teams

[stone sierra]

Team is kinda slow and lacks special defense

[sick scarab]

I see

Clef has the most spdef on the team

ironically

idk which mons could fit my team that is both speedy and specially tanky

I could replace Raging Bolt or someone with something else

I don't want a fully overhaul

I can't replace Clef and Samurott becuase they are too important
Moltres is there just to check physical attackers like Kingambit and etc
and Pecherunt is too goated to replace

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/447bad0a1774c42a this team is fire af

and i chefed w the nicknames

its versatile asf, kyurem can lead and wreck any hazard setter except maybe Lu only cos its fat asf

lmk what yall would change i got inspo by this sample a few months ago https://pokepast.es/c22b9e3a39d4a127

[lofty herald]

forgot who made it tho but they had blaze cinderace instead of libero, i thought it was sick but i aint appreciate the lack of knock off tbh

[low phoenix]

Ok this team looks better

Can switch zama over weavile imo

[lofty herald]

i js wanted to use weavile in a team but ye u fs right i js like the knock off damage

[lofty herald]

tbh playing the samples rly did help my teambuilding

u could run tera ground kyurem over tera ice for shi like moth and thunderclap bolt, ngl i like tera ground more

[low phoenix]

specs kyu generally prefers tera ice due to the sheer power of blizzard

[lofty herald]

true, but my team has a glaring weakness to moth

[stone sierra]

You have ting

[lofty herald]

moth runs tera fairy dazzling gleam

hmm

[clever berry]

Ting Lu shrugs that off

[lofty herald]

shi u right og idk y im stressing bout that fr

[modern shale]

https://pokepast.es/7db2f43ccee225d0

no clue if this is a sample team / team used in video

are there any ways to improve this team?

[limber spear]

(iirc u cant post sample teams here although this isn’t one but its near )

(they will redirect u , i’ve tried )

u would want to post that in comp general for that purpose

[modern shale]

god damn thats unfortunate

i felt i tried this time

[limber spear]

ok so in short it’s rlly the best team out of the uu selection of mons so i would say that’s near the best u can get

[clever berry]

This is Gen 6 OU + Hydrapple

[modern shale]

uu?

i was playing this in ou

[limber spear]

the gimmick of this team in uu mon in ou

as u see there are no ou mon in the team

[modern shale]

i thought tran n torn were ou

wtf

[limber spear]

nah chomp is also not ou so that proves the power creep

[limber spear]

off topic but doesn’t this team lose to ground ice moves like tusk so if tusk=tera?

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/50597833bfe57efc

[cold cosmos]

this is the RMT

its UU only

[umbral dragon]

https://pokepast.es/f22bdb4a9d1ae671

Is this workable? I like clicking buttons and strong wallbreakers

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

team just doesn't have the defensive or offensive counterplay to handle opposing breakers. Dragapult, Kyurem, Walking Wake can come in on many pokemon and threaten ohkos/2hkos on your whole team.

you should try to dedicate to one wallbreaker when building, Ursaluna or Hoopa definitely won't need much help breaking through teams, but they'll appreciate a sturdy backbone against the stuff they often let in.

not to mention I don't think Scarf Valiant is very good, it feels like a major momentum sink, thuds into a lot and fails to revenge kill a lot of Pokemon

[umbral dragon]

Would you suggest dropping either ursa or hoopa? Scarf Valiant and wish-passing with alo has made handling threats alright, but it is definitely a bit dodgy. I appreciate that Valiant can come in more often with scarf, is there another form of speed control you would suggest?

[nocturne sable]

I’m pretty sure this is from an RMT on smogon forums

[stone sierra]

It is

https://pokepast.es/c9e18c593605a597 anyway I’ve been wanting to build ursaluna outside of trick room for a while, thoughts?

[empty verge]

There was a viable set outside of trick room in the last a rest talk set on balance but not sure how good it is now

Idt you’re getting any mileage out of av

Other issues with this team too no flying type sets kinda weird etc

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/96611ca5ae2cbf60
Alright so this team got to top 100 but i feel like i need improvements here

Having a very bad issue with not enough pivots or zero hazard control if i want to replace smth

[low phoenix]

never reached top 100 myself but this team looks fine at first glance

you having trouble with any specific matchups?

[north nimbus]

Zero hazard control when there’s a Tuskothy

[wooden linden]

Nah if i were to replace tusk🥀

Which seems like a no go but i just flop in front of bolt

[north nimbus]

hmm

Cause if you do any changes there would probably be 3

no flyers so ground spam is generally clickable

[wooden linden]

Grounds are ass to deal with but shuca glowking and hydrapple can trade ok

It is a pretty bad issue though

Ive tried tornt but it really makes fairies and kyu almost impossible to handle

[north nimbus]

Cause adding some like Lu zama Corv covers a lot of stuff here and fixes plenty of issues and provides more for the team, tho that leaves u without a knocker doing so

[wooden linden]

At least over glowking

I could try adding lu zama corv yeah

Generally doesnt fit with hstack but i'll see

[north nimbus]

Could do 3 attacks Corv or Id 2 attacks, only gripe is no knocker

this is why I dislike fraud h samu

[wooden linden]

Its not a fraud samu can never do wrong🥀

[north nimbus]

[elder knoll]

you could make ghold and tusk treads

go Pult instead of Ghold

[plucky hare]

https://pokepast.es/36c6f9748e141823

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

Personally i dont really like the defog corv here alongside scarf samu

The defog messes with the hazard stack aspect of this

[plucky hare]

so what should i replace it with

[wooden linden]

I'd change the corv for an ogerpon wellspring here since it can also pivot while appreciating spikes

Also it can use knock off here

[plucky hare]

ok

thx

[wooden linden]

I would also prob change the lando here as well to smth like a great tusk

[plucky hare]

ok

[elder knoll]

no ground resist then

[plucky hare]

ogerpon wellspring

[elder knoll]

dawg

add the dawg

[clever berry]

Scarf Valiant is good tbh on Balance/BO
But it needs Knock off to not be predict reliant early game

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/603940b5cf9e3bf9 updated my team from yesterday with a zama over weavile lmk what yall think ab it

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

This should be defog Corv

[lofty herald]

bet that

other than that any other adjustments you'd make?

[empty verge]

Why is that zama iron head

[north nimbus]

Yeah

Make it Tera fire and crunch > ihead

Also horn leech > sd on woger to give it some form of longevity here u already have a great win con with zama

Actually idk why this kyurem doesn’t even have Draco here

[empty verge]

Doesn’t need triple ice Stab

You really can just drop ice beam

Tbh

[lofty herald]

i copped the kyurem from a sample team and ngl the triple ice kyurem been putting in hella work

[empty verge]

Psynoise > psyshock too imo

[north nimbus]

I think fs is better

Here helps woger and kyurem break stuff more consistent

[empty verge]

So this means zama is boots now right?

[lofty herald]

wym

[north nimbus]

Future sight

[north nimbus]

It’s still id

You have woger and kyurem to break stuff already

[empty verge]

Fair

[lofty herald]

fs or psy noise

[north nimbus]

Fs

Why is this Tera dark gking

[lofty herald]

i dont rly tera it in the first place so i js kinda slapped on a tera tbh

[north nimbus]

Make it fairy, and do toxic > slack off

[lofty herald]

i like using tera on my lu or kyurem

[north nimbus]

Send an updated version of the team with changes

[lofty herald]

bet igu rn

https://pokepast.es/ceb31965d223a899 updated zama nickname 2

boots zama or nah?

[north nimbus]

Drop the ice beam on kyurem for Draco triple ice is honestly not worth it

[lofty herald]

oh bet forgot to do that

[north nimbus]

And make this Tera ghost Lu

And make this Tera dragon Corv

Lefties on zama

After those changes this team looks good

[lofty herald]

bet

[elder knoll]

why

does that team

get murdered by hazards + ghold

[north nimbus]

Idt it does

[elder knoll]

kyurem takes 25% unless you tera it

[lofty herald]

added defog

gold gets killed by a lot of my mons anyway

[elder knoll]

it comes in on your corv to prevent defog

this super similar to the old sample

except
pon > ace
iron press zama > scarf krai

[lofty herald]

predicting when ghold will come in on a obvious defog isn't that hard ngl

[elder knoll]

yeah

and your offesnive pieces

are taking chip

with no counterplay

like solo corv removal

hasn't been a thing

as long as GHold has been around

you usually have to supplement with an Ace

[clever berry]

So Defogger is only G-Weezing rn

[lofty herald]

i played against ghold wit this team, the prev version actually and ghold cant switch in on a kyurem blizard. A lot of gholds are running air balloon so im fine wit kyurem taking chip nothing can switch into blizzard specs kyurem

[clever berry]

Which loses to Dengo 1v1

Tbh
Defog Scizor ain't too bad

[lofty herald]

and like i said before i usually tera my kyurem or lu anyway

[elder knoll]

ghold isn't supposed to 1v1 Kyu

[clever berry]

Has knock for Dengo

[elder knoll]

it's supposed to prevent your Corv

from clicking fog

the old sample straight up sacked defog on Corv

[elder knoll]

and just ran an Ace

as

Kyurem is able to break fast enough

and is super centralizing to your plans