SV OU Rates

[edgy crow]

ah

ok

[worn lark]

K, didnt know it was iv locked, knew the conf+foul play part tho, thanks

[lethal talon]

I've always wondered why that was the case lol

[magic dome]

check your dms

[pastel echo]

Howdy. It's my first time sending in a team to be rated, so feel free to tear it to shreds lol
https://pokepast.es/ec44bc6acd05e33d

I wanted to build a BO structure around Drapple and Volcanion, and this is what I ended up with. I've played it a fair bit on ladder, and it has won a fair amount, but i'm looking to refine it further. Any advice or criticism will be appreciated, thanks!

[wooden linden]

oh arcadian youre here

ok so i feel this team really requires some heavy hazard support given the lorb zama and black glasses gambit

same with the volc here

a ground type is needed here so i'd say smth like tusk over zama here

[elder knoll]

ARC YOURE HERE

My goat

[wooden linden]

i'd also say prob go with max def bold pech with foul play

oh and flamethrower on molt here

and prob roar or u-turn over hurricane

[elder knoll]

also Molt should always be creeping Gambit

if you’re running wisp

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/cc7de3434947adad not good

[wooden linden]

volc could prob be changed to like

max hp max spa

and tb fairy just isnt needed so idk

[stable gale]

many pokemon is giving me trouble

[wooden linden]

you got some mons specifically?

[pastel echo]

Thanks guys, I'll make the according adjustments and see what I end up with

[stable gale]

any advice for last pokemon this is the new one https://pokepast.es/ecaec6e1b33b814d

[stable gale]

btw this was a completely different team

[stable gale]

not the arcadian one

[nocturne sable]

Incomplete teams aren’t going to be rated in this channel unfortunately

[stable gale]

can i add a what i think is best then show it ?

[nocturne sable]

But I do question what is sylveon doing on this team anyway?

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/bff608a97bc97128

should i remove the earlier link ?

[nocturne sable]

Idk if there’s a point in removing it at this point, but even then it’s recommended you test the team before you paste it in the channel for it to rate

[stable gale]

i have tested

but i removed Cinderace

[nocturne sable]

? Did you not say this was the new one

[stable gale]

when

ahh

i mean

Both links are different

[nocturne sable]

I’m just going to give notes on this paste you sent here.

-I don’t think SD exca synergizes well with this team since you are running lefties Ttar which limits the sand turns needed for exca to perform. If you want to make use of exca then smooth rock would probably be more ideal.

-not the biggest fan of your ground MU, I don’t think air balloon exca and waterpon alone are reliable ground resist. You struggle vs common grounds like Tusk, Lando, Gliscor, etc

-not the biggest fan of your water MU either outside of waterpon, who ironically gets chipped down by sand+hazards, you have no other way of pressuring mons like primarina, etc

I question some decision on this team like having sylveon here and non malignant chain pecharunt, I feel like they just make the quality of your team worse as non mchain pecha makes your fairy MU a bit harder.

[stable gale]

sorry for the late reply

what is mu

[limber spear]

match up

[stable gale]

ahh

let me fix some of the problem

btw i feel like mine (mine be bacause i am not high ladder ) i think sylevon is not than bad

i general

not the best pokemon outside ou

but it is working

[low phoenix]

non mc pecharunt honestly isnt that bad

just make sure to run max speed + hex so you take advantage of the consistent toxic proc and outspeed tusk

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think it’s good for his team though, mchain would be more appreciated imo

[low phoenix]

makes sense

[worn lark]

Ive used both but it’s generally outclassed by alolomola who can also function as a slow pivot and a burn spreader with scald (and has a better hp stat)

[swift forum]

https://pokepast.es/87657266d8dc13d2 I really like this team but slowking as the only fire resist is kinda suspicious, especially against ace, what should i do

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden linden]

I dont like the lack of a hazard setter or a ground type here tbh

I'd say stealth rock lu can generally fit here

And also make zama boots all out attacker here

[swift forum]

why i have double removal and i kinda need insurance vs stuff like ceru

[wooden linden]

Most defog teams still require stealth rock

[swift forum]

i would probably replace zama with ting lu right?

i added zama for rai

[wooden linden]

Zama here is fine imo

Prob ting over weav here potentially

Specs kyu already handles a lot of bulky mons so band weav isnt needed here imo

[swift forum]

ok yeah i see the vision with the zama now, otherwise stall gets annoying but i think i can use like expert belt or smth over boots

[wooden linden]

You could do ebelt here

[swift forum]

hmm it looks a lot like that one banded za sample team

[wooden linden]

Nah thats fine prob

Generally specs kyu teams require a lot of hazard removal

So they can look alike sometimes

[swift forum]

yeah ig

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/7217732ef56a3273 made a black glasses mixed darkrai hstack
Weavile looks like an issue

[nocturne sable]

I think from a glance the simplest solution is zama>valiant

[stone sierra]

Was worried about specs dragons being able to break ting lu with meteor so I added encore valiant

[nocturne sable]

Specs dragons as in specs bolt/specs kyurem??

I think with heatran+ting Lu specs bolt can be played around

If you want more security vs something like specs kyurem you can just run air balloon heatran

[wooden linden]

Tbh i dont really like the heatran here

Without proper hazard removal heatran is getting chipped very easily

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ig that’s true

[wooden linden]

It could work but you could also do prob do treads over heatran

Offers additional bolt check plus spin and either knock or ice spinner

[nocturne sable]

Kyurem looking a little rough tho

Tbf this is prob most teams tho

[wooden linden]

It does but tbh majority of kyu sets already beat heatran

[nocturne sable]

Wait lowkey

What if we just add Tinkaton

[wooden linden]

Sure

[stone sierra]

That solves the weavile issue aswell

Damn I’m mad I didn’t think abt that

[stable gale]

u mean sylevon is outclassed by alomola -- i think especially av alomola is good, but it lacks offence pressure, and I will be weak to Freeze Dry kyurem i will try this team, then give u my experience

[worn lark]

yeah tahts what i said

also

youre running wish pass sylveon

so use rocky helm or boots or leftovers alo if thats what you want

AV alo means you won't be able to wish pass

or protect scan for choice items

[stable gale]

i think only t tar want wish may be orger should i really use wish pass alo

and should i use sd Cinderace

i was also thinking to add Clefable

[hot dome]

sd cinderace is not good and wish pass alomomola is not good on this team

[stable gale]

elaborate pls ?

i get it why

[hot dome]

sd cinderace is a very niche option in general that only finds itself on certain hyper offense structures

[stable gale]

not sd cin

i mean why not wish pass

[hot dome]

while wish pass almomola is very passive, exacerbates your problems into wogerpon, and in general is not a good fit on this sand team

[stable gale]

i have Pecharunt

max def

[hot dome]

ok and if pecha gets chipped (which it will)/wogepron rolls a lucky crit you are 6-0ed

• you dont even need wish pass here

[wooden linden]

The pech doesnt even have malignant here

[hot dome]

its not like this team is going to win by outlasting the opponent anyways, its sand

[wooden linden]

So you cant actually hurt the wellspring

Unless toxic is considered good enough

[stable gale]

then what

[hot dome]

its not

[stable gale]

any good team with Tyranitar

i think one of the problems with Tyranitar -- there are to many u turn pokemon

[hot dome]

https://pokepast.es/60e3d8f90154dea1
here's a semi-recent sand team

i will warn you sand kinda sucks in general rn since excadrill aint it and ttar is fodder, both have extremely bad mus into the top two mons of the tier ting lu and zamazenta (and also other threats like wogerpon, gliscor, etc), and in general just isn't very effective since there's only 1 abuser

[stable gale]

let me try then will tell you something

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ae9ecc94ea9a2889

[stone sierra]

Heat but looks kinda vulnerable to specs kyurem nv the hatt is av

You don’t have hazards either

[low phoenix]

Ting lu eats dragmag sadly

[stone sierra]

Mixed pult is also kinda a threat here

The fire blast life orb darts one

[gritty lake]

hatt is my setter trust

[gritty lake]

thats precisely why is have hatt

[stone sierra]

Ngl I think the team is cool but rai as your only ghost resist is kinda rough

Tblast ghost dnite sets up a couple dances and it’s over

Idk what to replace anything with im just trying to point some stuff out

[gritty lake]

ho gets farmed by tera ghost sub chomp ngl

[low phoenix]

It’s inconsistent

Ting Lu sets easy hazards or just makes progress with ruination

[gritty lake]

theres also corv

[low phoenix]

Also zama beats it easy

Dragmag is on the level of psyterrain in that it is theoretically viable but you’re better off playing another team most of the time

[stone sierra]

Offensive Garchomps best spot is on veil no? I remember someone saying that but I could be wrong

[low phoenix]

dd kyu is generally better

[stone sierra]

Walled by magnezone smh
It all comes full circle

[low phoenix]

just tera ground/fire

[limber spear]

isn’t press better on magnesone

u press opposing gambits

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/198791cad80aaeaa almost forgot but I remember making a fat team and wanted to post it here

[regal ginkgo]

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[stone sierra]

I feel like the team lacks speed

[limber spear]

semi stall at like this i think

412 isn’t that bad

[trail whale]

I'm pretty sure this is 6-0d by Gliscor

[limber spear]

u can swap dragapult but it’s offended aren’t mid

run magic guard on clef

cuz u lose to sd gliscor nonetheless

[elder knoll]

Corv < Skarm
Lu < hazards
Zama < Boots
Clef < magic guard CM
glowking < yeeted

[stone sierra]

Is physdef unaware clefable enough?

[tacit bluff]

No unaware is good here

[limber spear]

doesn’t guard here wall gliscor

[tacit bluff]

No

Unaware beats sd gliscor

Utility gliscor ruins you

[trail whale]

the thing is this team has a very hard time breaking past Gliscor

[elder knoll]

so does iron press birds

[limber spear]

isn’t utiltiy also annoying

u got no true way to damage it besides gloking

[low phoenix]

i think hydrapple is good over one of the poisonss

[tacit bluff]

^

[low phoenix]

so you are less passive

[trail whale]

your breaker and wincon get toxiced for free and can't do enough damage to it

[stone sierra]

Does ice fang on zam help?

[stone sierra]

Yooo goat mon mentioned

[tacit bluff]

Idt you need both pecha and Slowking

It's a bit redundant

[trail whale]

I agree

[stone sierra]

Ig apple over glowking?

[tacit bluff]

Especially because you already have a special wall in ting lu

And a phys wall in corv and sorta clef

You just stack weaknesses atp

[trail whale]

I'd drop Pech here to not auto lose to Kyurem

[low phoenix]

cm magic guard clef can handle utility ironpress scor and hydrapple can handle sd

[stone sierra]

Why skarm?

[elder knoll]

cause you already have a fat physdef pivot in pech

[trail whale]

Skarm + Lu + MG Clef can form a hazard stack core

[stone sierra]

Scor?

[low phoenix]

gliscor

[elder knoll]

this to

[stone sierra]

Oh

Ironpress gliscor?

[low phoenix]

ironpress corviknight/skarm

[stone sierra]

Ic

[tacit bluff]

Ok let's just have one person rate this at a time cuz there's a lot of advice being thrown around lul

[elder knoll]

cause by making two swaps

you basically end up with a pretty effective hazard stack

[stone sierra]

Oh is that a sample

[elder knoll]

idk

i havent checked them in a while

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/0103a1639b5aa599 1 mon off😭

From a sample

[elder knoll]

😭

[stone sierra]

Ngl black glasses knock rai over wake sounds nice

Even tho the last team I got rated here had the exact same set

😭

[elder knoll]

go boots cause you'd have no removal

😭

if u go skarm

[clever berry]

Tera Ice on Zone is better to Snipe Gliscor

[clever berry]

You don't even need Mag for Dragon Spam

[echo rampart]

even in gens where dragmag was relevant like BW, the playstyle has fallen off a bit because most good dragons can get past Steel-types anyway

Magnezone was a good partner for kartana but nothing else really needs stuff like Corviknight removed that badly, and other steels like iron crown and iron treads beat zone anyway

[gritty lake]

Yes

[gritty lake]

I thought zone+sub sd tera ghost might make garchomp easier to run

[clever berry]

Tera Ghost SD Chomp beats Corv anyway

[clever berry]

Even Kartana had Z Moves for Steel Birds

[echo rampart]

yea but it's not sweeping after that

dragmag used scarf kart or timid speed beast boost sets

[clever berry]

Scarf Yes

Almost all Dragons get EQ to beat steels (except Steel Birds but they have Flamethrower for them)

BW also has KyuremB who can 2HKO SpDef steels like Heatran
For PDef steels, there was only Skarm -and it has Fusion Bolt for it

[echo rampart]

Corv is worth taking out for some mons but it's better to just like

put a weird terablast on x mon than use zone

like sd gliscor or dd dragonite would rlly appreciate idef corv being gone

[clever berry]

Sub Chomp without Tera falls in that category too

I think the conclusion then is that you don't need Zone for wallbreaking, but it frees up your items and moveslots a lot

For e.g Chomp doesn't need Fire Fang just for Corv now

Dragonite doesn't need Fire Punch

[gritty lake]

Idbp will just pp stall me

My thought process is

Instead of going the fire fang route and getting rked by gambit

[clever berry]

true

[gritty lake]

I decided on sub

In the 4th slot

[clever berry]

You can do it

[gritty lake]

And with tera ghost it beats zama dnite etc

[clever berry]

But I think your team might need to be more offensive

Also ID Press Zone can trap Kingambit

[gritty lake]

So b/w tera and sub it deals with most of chomps counterplay

[gritty lake]

Maybe

Maybe I can also just remove zone, make oger sd and use something else

[stable gale]

Magnezone is not even running body press

i think Iron Defence + body press is going to give it trouble

[limber spear]

iron press is mid i think

just run press

[hot dome]

Please stop giving advice if you are not experienced in the tier

Bp magnezone isn’t going to suddenly make this better

[languid tendon]

id press on magnazone is not ever worth losing volt switch/flash cannon

but tera blast grass to beat ting lu im guessing aint worth it either when you have oger and scarf trick rai

[echo rampart]

When I took a crack at Magnezone a while ago I used IronPress which made it pretty good against Blissey teams

Tbolt flashcannon ironpress with air balloon

[languid tendon]

i feel like zone is just better at trapping corv

overall

plus blissey is ru with chansey

so ironpress is really not worth it rn

[echo rampart]

Blissey is still used on stall teams

[languid tendon]

true

but if blisseys ru and used on (almost) every stall team that says something abt how much stall is used

[echo rampart]

it rises and drops like every shift

[languid tendon]

lemme check blissey usage rn

[limber spear]

tbh its same as checking dondozo usage rate , that should be easier

[languid tendon]

ngl blissey cant be used on super fat BOs as much as donbozo so usage would be slightly diff

[limber spear]

slightly

anyways this off topic

i dont want to get boomed

[echo rampart]

regardless Air Balloon IronPress can also beat Iron Treads if you Tera after your Balloon is popped

but yeah you're asking a lot to make Zone good in 2025

[languid tendon]

beating iron treads

let the uu king rest in peace

[stable gale]

i know it's bad i am just saying that it is not even running body press - if you are going to run magnzone, at least run Body Press to

[stable gale]

not the worst set you can bring

[hot dome]

There's no point in talking about how to optimize a shitmon

It just clogs this chat

[stable gale]

i didn't say it clearly but -- u can said that i mean that --this is not even running body press who it is trapping

i mean yea i was not clear

[hot dome]

The point of Magnezone here is not to trap Kingambit, its to trap Corvknight, and you do not need body press for this

Stop giving advice if you not experienced in the tier

[charred needle]

You sound sour

[stable gale]

in match up where oppenet do not have corvknight but have kinggambit can do some work magnezone

[nocturne sable]

Kingambit teras out of magnezone Mu and uses it at set up fodder

[hot dome]

You have been told multiple times to stop talking about Magnezone: it is not a good Pokemon, it is not here to trap Kingambit nor does it do well in this job, and multiple raters have said this team does not work, so drop the topic

[stable gale]

i get it that i didn't say that don't use magnezone sorry for that -- i just say that this is not even running body press if someone one really want to use magnezone it should use body press

[low phoenix]

if you want to talk about magnezone talk in #comp-general

[stable gale]

sorry my bad

[gritty lake]

Yea

[crude imp]

This is a variant of the team i’m building, https://pokepast.es/0566ec31b737f8da oddly enough conk feels solid in this team

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

why use conk

when zamazenta exists

[crude imp]

Zamazenta is not helping with my ability to remove ting lu / garganacle

[stone sierra]

Why use conk when ursa exists

Wait

[crude imp]

Cus i need a dark resist

[stone sierra]

Why aren’t you running facade on conk?

[crude imp]

To help with the ogerpuns and fairies running around, but ill test facade

Cus u might be right that it could kill the faries and oger with facade ill do some calcs

Poison jab ensures the kill on ogerpun, and with the tera poison boost it kills fairies

Just did the calcs

[somber obsidian]

facade just ohkos oger after rocks no

[crude imp]

Oh it does! Good catch

Then with tera normal i even have a ghost immunity

[somber obsidian]

def not a rater but yeah i think facade is the most optimal set here

[crude imp]

♥️

[somber obsidian]

cause then you don’t blank completely into like gliscor

[hot dome]

Conk certainly doesn’t do this any better, in fact it does it much worse since it gets worn down way too quickly

[crude imp]

But that’s why wish alomola is there

[low phoenix]

zama has way more versitility in its sets with iron press being one of the best anti offenses in the meta and boots for providing immediate speed control while still having solid coverage

expert belt/life orb sets also exist if you want zama to be more offensive and focus on wallbreaking

[hot dome]

Wish mola does not fix this issue at all and drags this team down by being a slow passive mon on a bulky offense team

[low phoenix]

conkeldurr cant do any of that

[crude imp]

I’ll play around with it, i’ll show my other variant of the team too, https://pokepast.es/663d9e83648fcf4f something like this?

(This was my original idea of the team)

Unfortunately it often feels like corviknight is the weak link

It doesn’t do as much as i’d like

What does that mean HAHA sorry

[nocturne sable]

This looks better than the first one you sent but not a big fan of the lack of hazard control still

[crude imp]

I see so more HDB

🤣😂

I can easily eemove body press from corv and add defog

[low phoenix]

wait actually no

[crude imp]

I’m wait 🤠

[nocturne sable]

I can get why corv feels like a weak link here, tbh it’s not the best on BO and strives more on more balance teams

[languid tendon]

expert belt is certainly not the best set but its my most common use and use boots if you only have one removal mon (unless its something with survial like corv?)

[low phoenix]

what are you saying?

[hot dome]

This is not relevant + I’m not sure why you’re even commenting this considering this contributes nothing

[crude imp]

Idk for me it was relevant but wtv

[languid tendon]

im saying you can run lorb/ebelt zama with stuff like corv/gweez

but its better to use leftys and boots with other removal mons who cant live as long

[hot dome]

Did Memester ever say anything the opposite?

[languid tendon]

no im just adding input faya

[hot dome]

It’s not relevant at all

[crude imp]

So do i consider making zamazenta more offensive and keep corv and add defog? Or do i go heavydutyboots zenta and look for a better option than corv?

[hot dome]

I’ll give you a full rate in a bit

[crude imp]

Ty

[crude imp]

Ty 2

[languid tendon]

oh i was talking abt the team before this did not even see you added one

but yea what i said can apply to your team

yours def needs removal ima leave this to faya tho

[crude imp]

Yesss will add defog

[hot dome]

Don’t

[low phoenix]

defog corv sucks ngl and if you use it you must pair with another hazard removal like cinderace great tusk gweezing etc

[crude imp]

Now im just spiraling in to confusion

[hot dome]

Jaykio’s advice is bad

I’m eating dinner rn

I will rate when I am done

[crude imp]

Enjoy.

[hot dome]

Tera Blast Flying lando doesn't work here, the only reason you run tb flying lando is to jump wellspring and you don't even outspeed it so there's no point
Corv just doesn't fit here in general, way too passive for the BO style you're going for
Psychic Ghold also isn't good + Ghold isn't the best pick here in general for speed control, especially if you're going to be running Boots Zama which is pretty similar in speed
Not a big fan of Weavile here either
You're missing a spdef wall/check

Swap Corv to Cinderace for better hazard control
Swap Lando to a regular pivot set with Rocky Helmet, Taunt over Tera Blast, and Tera Water
Swap out Psychic for Focus Blast on Ghold + invest all in speed idk why you have 32 hp
Swap Zamazenta to Iron Defense Body Press with Heavy Slam
Swap Bolt to a Specs set
And swap Weavile out for Gking

https://pokepast.es/43225a5245d54fff
Example of changes

[elder knoll]

another option would to be go for a Hatt + Lando structure

But that’s more regular offense than BO

[hot dome]

true

[crude imp]

Valid point on lando will change
Agreed with corv
Psychic was gonna change but it’s not gonna be 70% acc focus blast that’s not for me
Weavile feels too fragile for me so will change
Bolt is holding specs just didn’t sent the right paste but good to know that was the right choice 🙃
I love glowking

Ty! ❤️

[hot dome]

ok then run dgleam with tera fairy

[crude imp]

Yusss

[stone sierra]

Tera fairy on specs?

[hot dome]

that was leftover from their paste

[stone sierra]

Ah

[hot dome]

though honestly fairy aint the worst

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ecf2c9d947fcc3da i thought this would be better but the garg mu is nightmarish

Been playing quite a lot of sv ou these days

[stone sierra]

could go covert cloak hatt

heatran is already a p beefy spdef wall

[gritty lake]

Hm

[limber spear]

then he lose to specs kyurem

[gritty lake]

Heatran

[limber spear]

ep

anyways just predict it’s fine

[gritty lake]

Yea it's tough

[limber spear]

what does 24 speed on hatt do

[stone sierra]

ye i could see subtect being a p big issue if you lose av hat rip

[gritty lake]

Faster than av glowking?

I'll have to see

Yes

Probably something else too

[hot dome]

you've been told multiple times that loaded scale shot chomp is not a good mon: this hasn't changed, especally since now you are trying to run a sub set that drops its only method of breaking through corv. your team has a poor mu into zamazenta, two overlapping breakers (and one of which does the second's job way better), and generally a strange structure with little synergy

not only does chomp do nothing here, its directly outclassed by another mon on the same team

if you're really this desperate for a chomp team, here's a lo chomp team from wcop

https://pokepast.es/bb463c4bf8c5d508

[gritty lake]

Ok

My goat always helping me with teams first oras and now sv

[low phoenix]

i think its to outspeed ting lu

[limber spear]

oh thanks didn’t know that speed tier

[elder knoll]

why is there another Chomp on my screen

[worn lark]

making a bulky offense/balanceish team, but i lose hard to gliscor, what can i change https://pokepast.es/f69cd001a344d56d

[low phoenix]

This team feels off with a bunch of mons fitting in different archetypes mashed together into one team

You should focus on converting it to a balance or bulky offense team specifically

Which path do you choose

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/1f53b9d40194311a made a double dragon BO, idk if this kyurem set is the correct one for this team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

oop wrong tera type on bolt

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/b55d2c274ff35d8f a bulky hazrd team 1(idk what to chose to clodsire ability water absorb seems nice tho

[trail whale]

what I don't like here is that Darkrai is a very flimsy Ghost and Dark resist, and it loses too much momentum as speed control to fit the team's pace. I think you want something like mixed Booster Valiant as your speed control followed by Kingambit > Kyurem. Kingambit is still a wincon and Iron Valiant still pressures Ting Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads so you don't miss out on those. You get rewarded with an Ice resist and a stronger Ghost / Dark resist, as well as speed control that fits the team's pace better

[worn lark]

isnt hisuian samurott a suicide lead

[limber spear]

idk i need a speed control

[worn lark]

it's better for offensive hazard stack but you seem to have mons for both offensive and defensive hazard stakcing

[limber spear]

ting lu makes my team weak to ice tho

[worn lark]

scarf ghold?

[limber spear]

or woger could work

[worn lark]

alsol

make something tera ghost for a second spinblocker in case gholdengo dies

[limber spear]

nvm the team is cooked by ghost types then

[worn lark]

wait nvm cause then you can't run support options

[worn lark]

it already is

[limber spear]

sam gives me smth to deal with

[worn lark]

you have no ghost resist even after tera besides t-normal gliscor

[worn lark]

thing is

you won't have sam to deal with them, because sam is dying in the first few turns

[limber spear]

(flip turn)

nvm it drops flip turn

[worn lark]

then it can't ceaseless stack spikes

[limber spear]

idk just use it defensively ig

[worn lark]

ig?

it's also very fast though which is bad for a pivot

i feel like you just need to commit to either an offensive or defensive stack

[limber spear]

maybe spike clod+rocks clef

but clef gives me a clear wincon cometimes

[worn lark]

fair enoguh

also

on another note

your team is walled by most defensive poisons because you lack a ground type move on gliscor

not much you can really do about that though unfortunately

like

once they get past clodsire

you have very little way to break toxapex, galarian slowking, or galarian weezing

[limber spear]

run eq over facade then ig

tera fire flamethrower on clef can break trhough

[trail whale]

that's wrong
Pex loses to Gliscor whether you have EQ or not
same for Glowking, who also despises Ghold and even Hamurott
you wouldn't bring out Gliscor vs Weezing and lose hp to Poison anyway, ghold would threaten it fervently enough

the real issue is that the team is a mess, Balance elements like Clef + Scor, Clod the stall guy, and Pokemon like Hamurott + IDBP Zama that hate lacking hazard removal, the synergy is extremely weak and opens you up to threats like Kyurem and Ogerpon-W

[trail whale]

you need to choose the style you're building and stick to it!!
you have a bad habit of getting lost when building and not sticking to the founding idea

[limber spear]

yeah 😭

my plan was a clodisre hzard stack

[trail whale]

there are too many directions you can go while changing up the team a lot so i think it's better you pick smth and send an updated team before I can give a precise rate

[limber spear]

what does hazard stack need

a hazard setter +knock users?

is that it or there r more to add

[trail whale]

spikes + rocks + knock + ghost
then ofc you cover your ou bases, make sure you don't get 6-0d by the common stuff, that you have good resists into important types, you can play the game with hazards on both sides, etc

[trail whale]

please avoid giving advice if you're inexperienced in the tier, bad advice is worse than no advice, and can make people get lost even further.

also, when talking in this channel do try and minimise one liners. It ends up being a conversation in the wrong place and makes it harder for raters to see the original teams / point out wrong advice, thanks ❤️

[limber spear]

is boots spam or rapid spin better on the team then

like for this type for team

[trail whale]

either work, start with your core idea and figure out what role compression you want :D

bulkier stuff wants boots spam + Knock absorber
faster stuff wants spin

[limber spear]

o ic ic thanks

[worn lark]

k

[clear wagon]

https://pokepast.es/872a9ec0f0b1ff2d im trying to get back into comp any help?

[rare orchid]

https://pokepast.es/44cd18f40ff2f3eb

Wanted to use Scizor on a team, ended up with this. Advice on tweaks apperciated

[amber terrace]

https://pokepast.es/6aaefe9e77059ae7

this is my take on a 'Choice Specs Kyurem + GSlowking Balance'

im only 1200 so please be kind if the team is trash

I would greatly appreciate any sort of feedback and recommendations, as well as things i did good or bad.

[clear wagon]

https://pokepast.es/8e33f91d0a052b91 so i cant find a good synergy with this team

yes garchomp is essential to the team

please lmk what tweaks/changes to mons

and yes this a mix between hyper offense and balance

[tardy sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/f5e15c2c56e8a5e6 peaked at 1600 with this team. main problems are probably sun, tera fire crunch zama and most fast specs threats

oh and ogerpon-wellspring is a problem if it isnt chipped for gglide

[trail whale]

This team is a good concept done very well. the Gliscor set is a bit outclassed by Lando T on here, Intimidate will provide you with a better quick stopgap to threats because this team will want to play very fast paced, using many pivots and trying to pressure with Kyurem as much as possible.

the team is missing speed control and the Corviknight seems quite unnecessary, can feel a bit passive and Cinderace is already doing good hazard removal, especially if Lando T can deny them with Taunt. I'd suggest mixed booster Valiant as my #1 idea over Corviknight here, you definitely want a Sucker Punch resist and can get away with running fast low kick Gambit

[trail whale]

this doesn't work; hyper offence thrives off of momentum and trades, using defensive balance pieces puts you on the backfoot and it'll feel lacklustre when you aren't threatening back to back sweeps. As for balance; it suffers from having so many set up sweepers limiting the defensive pieces you can use, especially considering they prefer long time breakers over one and done sweepers.

[clear wagon]

what do i swap?

im going hyper offense

[trail whale]

take inspiration from the sample teams and give it another go, I'd end up completely overhauling the team and there are too many options for me to give you a proper rate

[nocturne sable]

This isn’t entirely true, Hisui samurott is more than just a suicide lead. Its a versatile Mon that has multiple sets and can work on a lot of archetypes like BO, etc

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/6636dbda8ccfe831 this time i am even more lost

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

i generally dont even know what that glowking is doing

its like 4 defensive mon and 2 offensive mon being mixed but idk what to do

[clear wagon]

alright

[worn lark]

isnt the one he used a suicide tho

[worn lark]

glowking is usually on slower teams

[limber spear]

(which that is i suppose

[worn lark]

its meant to replace weather and get frailer mons in by slow pivoting

[tacit bluff]

Tbf this is a p slow team

[worn lark]

yeah

[tacit bluff]

A bit too slow actually

0 speed control

[worn lark]

noticed that too

[limber spear]

t wave is my only control here

[worn lark]

it at least has priority tho

[tacit bluff]

Weavile alone isn't nearly enough

[worn lark]

i would say its not enough

[limber spear]

uh so

what do i do

[worn lark]

wait

[limber spear]

i dont want scarf gholdengo that thing just ion like

[worn lark]

isn't the wake booster speed

nvm

[limber spear]

boots pivot set

[worn lark]

yeah

i didnt see the item and assumed it was benergy

also

wait use this is forgot to name lando https://pokepast.es/d98a3c624f4ff823

first time trying to build sun, any tips?

okay wait i do need to fix the tera type on ninetales-

[limber spear]

i added a scarf meow>weavile

[nocturne sable]

Scarf Hamurott is not a suicide lead

[limber spear]

only sash one r

[nocturne sable]

Anyways this is standard sun with a random lando-T in it.

I recommend making bolt weather ball over taunt to hit iron treads.

Drop Lando for another sun abuser, maybe slither wing

Hatt works too if you want extra hazard control ig

[worn lark]

k

[worn lark]

Lando is there cause before i had ceru and my team REALLY struggled with ground types and stall

[nocturne sable]

??? Sun should not be struggling with stall when you have the combo of wake, bolt and venusaur to overwhelm most spdef cores

[worn lark]

Idk closire walled pretty much everything

[limber spear]

if its spa photo boost then it shouldnt

[limber spear]

u can break with draco

[worn lark]

Idk

[nocturne sable]

And I don’t see how Lando helps with the stall match up.

[worn lark]

Might’ve been cause that one team had galarian weezing

[worn lark]

Rocks and EQ one shots spdef clodsire

[limber spear]

they can switch tho...

[worn lark]

Yeah but it at least gives me a way to kill it

[nocturne sable]

Well Lando still blanks into corv,Scor etc and it just overlaps with tusk

[worn lark]

Good point

[nocturne sable]

You already have a tusk that can kill a clodsire

If you’re want more damage output then run Draco meteor on bolt or something

[worn lark]

Than i’m just really bad at fighting stall ig

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/c9d28fae3c1a634c could u change my team too pwease

[worn lark]

looks good to me but dont trust me

[worn lark]

k

[limber spear]

(it doesnt work)

[worn lark]

also does slither have decent bulk? cause as i said ground types especially gliscor / tusk were a pain to deal with

[worn lark]

you want like a banded one on sun right

[nocturne sable]

Slither wing usually runs AV on Sun

[worn lark]

oh ok

[nocturne sable]

Although I think Scor and tusk can be overwhelmed by wake and venu tho, and they dont necessarily eat raging bolt very well tho

Tusk can also switch in when needed

[worn lark]

i think its mostly just skill issue on my part

[nocturne sable]

If you don’t want to be choice locked with wake wise glasses/mystic water is also an alternative option.

[worn lark]

wake being specs limits its potential but without specs it doesnt have nearly as much breaking power

[worn lark]

hm ok

[worn lark]

then again, if i really need power, i can tera water

https://pokepast.es/c0eee44187ed1d20 improved team, anything else?

[nocturne sable]

I think it’s fine enough to test on ladder

[worn lark]

k

[nocturne sable]

If you find any problems then you can come back and tell what the problems are

[worn lark]

my max is like 1400 tho, dont expect too much lol

[worn lark]

k

thanks for the help btw

appreciate it man

[nocturne sable]

Np

[elder knoll]

iirc wise glasses is better than mystic water since mystic water isn't hitting any more important break points

[worn lark]

k

do the dragon moves with wise glasses tho?

[elder knoll]

Walking Wake @ Wise Glasses
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hydro Steam
• Draco Meteor
• Weather Ball
• Flip Turn

yeah wise glasses boost every move

weather ball is important for calcs on Ghold and Gambit

[worn lark]

k

[elder knoll]

last thing i would make bolt tera fire

[worn lark]

wouldn't hsteam KO in sun anyway

[elder knoll]

for the stall MU

[worn lark]

got it

[elder knoll]

244 SpA Wise Glasses Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo in Sun: 226-267 (59.7 - 70.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
244 SpA Wise Glasses Walking Wake Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo in Sun: 378-446 (100 - 117.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[worn lark]

k

after 10 games here's what i found

the team is like

okay

currently the main problem is that i literally just do not have anything that can switch into booster speed iron moth

everything gets 1-2 shot

[nocturne sable]

Wake should be able to take a hit or two from booster moth and force it out so booster speed moth doesn’t proc

[elder knoll]

try sacking Tusk for eject Hatt
and go tork over n9

utiliy tusk idt fits your team

[worn lark]

nope
132 SpA Iron Moth Sludge Wave vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 177-208 (51.7 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
132 SpA Iron Moth Dazzling Gleam vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 200-236 (58.4 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[worn lark]

hm ok

oh yeah also my team is very weak to indeedee TR which i did encounter a team of

normal TR is fine because of my 2 strong prio users

[elder knoll]

Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 104 HP / 252 SpA / 152 SpD
Quiet Nature

• Rapid Spin/Eruption
• Overheat
• Earthquake
• Stealth Rock

use this torkoal set

bully back the TR

[nocturne sable]

Yea wake can still 1v1 moth tho(as long as it doesn’t Tera grass)

Take 50-60% isn’t that bad considering it’s moth

[worn lark]

it can't switch in though

so if moth switches in i kinda just have to

give up something

theres really just not another option

[worn lark]

k

[worn lark]

lol

0 speed ivs then? i mean, not like its outspeeding anything anyway

[nocturne sable]

That’s mostly how super offensive teams work, have to sack something at times to keep momentum

[worn lark]

fair

i guess it's cause i'm not used to playing like that

[heady carbon]

how to share team

[nocturne sable]

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

This command has been removed please use !psteams or !shareteam.

[nocturne sable]

Oops

[heady carbon]

how tho

[nocturne sable]

!shareteam.

!psteams

[regal ginkgo]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[nocturne sable]

K there^

[heady carbon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1195080

I'm getting flamed for this

This is so trash

But I use it anyway

[worn lark]

Where speed

Also isn’t poleageist too frail without sash to be a shell smash sweeper?

[amber terrace]

Thank you very much for your feedback, i greatly appreciate it, however i do have some questions.

1. Wouldnt replacing Corviknight for Iron Valiant make my team vulnerable to Great Tusk?

2. If i have no Corviknight, my Cinderace will be my only Hazard control other than Lando-T's Taunt. So should i switch my Cinderace to a Bulkier build? So that it can get off court change easier, as well as having more opportunities to bring kyurem in using U-Turn.

[wooden linden]

hi! i decided to revamp the team for you real quick
https://pokepast.es/09704e3525ef0d6d

i did notice that without a flying type tusk was a bit of an issue so i decided to both compress some roles into moltres which can both support you through wisp and pivoting

[stable gale]

btw why Blizzard i know u have Chilly Reception still

[wooden linden]

specs kyu teams usually use blizzard to get extra dmg output

[stable gale]

why not dragon move

[wooden linden]

you dont really need a dragon move

ice ground coverage hits most of the tier

[placid yarrow]

Also it doesn't make u exploitable after using the move

[stable gale]

for this team, is it a personal choice? Using Blizzard over Draco Meteor?

[placid yarrow]

Ok so what I am seeing is that this an attempt at an HO team
Now uhhh for new players
Just use OU mons
Usually most teams are limited to 1-2 unconventional pokemon before the team just becomes a meme

[placid yarrow]

Try it out

Run 3 ice attacks
And then if you miss draco then switch to it

[stable gale]

kk i am going to check

[amber terrace]

Thank you so much man. Btw could you please help point out some issues with my previous team? So that i know what to improve on in my next team building journey!!

[stone sierra]

No

It’s optimal

[amber terrace]

I get that however, the reason i have draco meteor instead of blizzard is so that i can OHKO Darkrai. Would that be good enough reason to run Draco meteor over blizzard? or do you still think that Blizzard is generally better nonetheless.

well i supose after the changes darkrai isnt really a threat to my team

[placid yarrow]

Nah I think draco's power/coverage can geniunely make a difference
Like vs opposing kyu draco ohkos but you need tera with blizz

[stone sierra]

Ok! What you think is still sub optimal

Please don’t argue with the raters advice, it’s their job to make teams better

[placid yarrow]

Blizz is preferred but draco is absolutely still valid

[placid yarrow]

?
I am just saying a geniune option?
Because I have had times I wished I had draco

[wooden linden]

there wasnt too many issues with the team so you def have a decent grasp. i'd first listen to valerie's advice though.

[placid yarrow]

I am not arguing vs mcribs

I said try it out
3 ice attacks then if you don't like it run draco

[amber terrace]

Okayy!! Thank you once again for revamping my team, i greatly appreciate it.

[placid yarrow]

Test it out on ladder
And see how it feels

[wooden linden]

btw with valeries advice, you can prob go ahead and go with a bulky ace spread here. gambit already has priority so its not too big of a deal

and i'd say if tusk is an issue you can slot a tera for it on one of your mons

[placid yarrow]

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
EVs: 224 HP / 32 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

• Pyro Ball
• U-turn
• Court Change
• Sucker Punch

Standard Bulky Spread on Smogon
Showdown default to offensive

[placid yarrow]

Wisp over sucker

[wooden linden]

oh right go with blaze and wisp over sucker punch here

[placid yarrow]

And probabpy tera flying?

[placid yarrow]

That too

[wooden linden]

tera flying is fine yeah

[placid yarrow]

Anyways @wooden linden now that I am embargo'd from my main stuff for 3 months
Uhhh I showed this the other day when you challenged me to make a halfway decent team so uhhh
Any further ideas?
https://pokepast.es/5f02ef055e468639

[wooden linden]

yeah the team def works here

i will say maybe changing the dnite set

[placid yarrow]

Dtail?

[wooden linden]

ok so iirc you could run like

dd dtail

cuz tbh corv is kinda annoying to face

[placid yarrow]

Bulky?

[wooden linden]

idt it has to be bulky but yeah thats fine

[placid yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/611246c47cbab090

[wooden linden]

Chungus (Dragonite) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 194 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Dragon Tail
• Earthquake
• Roost
  ok im thinking of smth like this

[placid yarrow]

Hmm ic

[placid yarrow]

What does 212 speed do?

[wooden linden]

outspeeds kyu at +1 and pult at +2

[placid yarrow]

Ah

https://pokepast.es/f98f7787cc87af13

So final product
With the best nickname ever

[wooden linden]

[placid yarrow]

Anyways thanks
I might ask for more help in the coming days
I may or may not have lost a bet to myself
And now I am banned from using tea cloy and generally veil for 3 months so uhhh yeah

[low phoenix]

anything as long as its not nsfw or offensive

[stable gale]

kk

[stable gale]

can u elaborate

[amber terrace]

Okayy, ive made some changes to the team.
https://pokepast.es/2657c8467428c1e5

1. Cinderace is more bulky and has Will-O-Wisp instead of Sucker Punch and Blaze instead of Libero
2. Changed Kingambit's set to a max speed Low kick set to be able to deal with opposing Kingambit's as well as Air balloon to have an easier time switching into kyurem and other ground type attackers like Great Tusk, Lando T, etc. Tera Fire was chosen in order to negate burn.
3. Replaced Corviknight with Iron Valiant and dropped Close combat for Encore because opposing Kyurem's and Kingambit's can be met by my Air balloon max speed Low kick Kingambit.
4. Replaced Gliscor with Lando T because of Valerie's advice. Lando is a Bulkier build in order to pivot easier with U-Turn and get Stealth rocks up easier, and Taunt is there to help with Hazard Control.
5. Iron Valiant has Tera Steel instead of Tera Fairy because Zamazenta and Raging Bolt Arent really threatening due to my Lando T and Galarian Slowking, and i would prefer to have a better match up against Galarian Slowking, Iron Crown, and opposing Iron Valiant's with Tera Steel.

What do you think about the changes? I would gladly take feedback on both what i did good and bad.

[wooden linden]

i think these changes are fine yeah

i'd say go earth power lando here though

[stable gale]

why are u not saying to run blizzard over Draco Meteor

[wooden linden]

helps with tusk more often then not

[amber terrace]

I see i see, the reason i ran Earthquake is because i want Lando T to be my check for Raging Bolt. Would Earth Power still be better in this scenario? (Not arguing btw i just wanna understand better)

Also in this team should i run Blizzard over Draco Meteor?

[wooden linden]

bolt doesnt seem like too big of an issue here given you have val and kyu

[amber terrace]

ohhhh that is true

[wooden linden]

plus ep still chips pretty well anyways

you can prob try blizzard but usually thats paired with tera ice

[amber terrace]

hmmmm

[elder knoll]

Blizzard is better than Draco

[amber terrace]

what do you think are the pros and cons of both and how do i choose which one to use for this team?

[elder knoll]

Hits the same stuff and can’t miss with Glowking

[stable gale]

it is not consistence

[elder knoll]

they have a Glowking

[stable gale]

personally i will run draco

it give strong netural move and middle ground move

and can't be disturbed by other weather

[nocturne sable]

Normally vs other weathers like Sun, etc you click earth power most of the time

And either way, gking is already counter play to weather archetypes

[wraith oriole]

What is a powerful overpowered ou team

I just started so idk

[hot dome]

there's no true "overpowered" ou team

[elder knoll]

Use a sample or grab a WCUP team from a dump

If you want a starting point

[barren ridge]

grab a sample team, theyre teams with a proven track record in either ladder or tour play

[regal ginkgo]

OverUsed (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[barren ridge]

you can find them in the embed above

also this isn't the place to ask for teams

these channels are for having teams you've constructed and playtested further rated and optimised

use #comp-general in the future for queries this like

[spiral wedge]

Seconding pinkstork's recommendation of taking teams from the wcop ou discussion thread

Any rough ideas of playstyles/mons u wanna use

[wraith oriole]

Uhh tbh I have no clue on what to use but maybe like a Pokémon that can sleep others

Like a sleep strat

[limber spear]

however there is smth called sleep clauses where only 1 pkm can be sleeped at the same time per team

unlike vgc which doesn’t have those clause

[final relic]

sleep is banned so you cant use that

[wraith oriole]

Oh ok

I’m asking this bc another game uses same concept

But with sleep not banned

So I just come here to use what I learned in that other game

[stone sierra]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone sierra]

Go to the team called venusaur sun

[wraith oriole]

Ok

[stone sierra]

Import it to showdown and have fun
Team is quite popular low ladder

[wraith oriole]

Ty

[lofty herald]

https://pokepast.es/421074fe6df13419 thoughts on this sun team?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Run life orb on hisuian lilligant

Change wake to specs

Change corviknight to offensive great tusk

[low phoenix]

Hyper offense is generally the easiest to play for new players

After that you can play around with bulky offense balance stall which tend to require more meta game knowledge to play effectively

[lofty herald]

nah meow and woger will do crazy things to wake without scarf

i have to booster on specs

i mean spatk

[low phoenix]

Why are you worrying about answering stuff defensively

[lofty herald]

wym

[low phoenix]

You’re a sun team your main focus should be breaking stuff within the 8 turns sun is active

You can run av slither ring instead of tusk if u still want a defensive pivot that hits hard

Specs wake with speed booster does more damage than scarf wake with sp.attack booster

You can run Tera ghost on h lilligant to block extreme speed too

[lofty herald]

mm ur tuff af

[low phoenix]

Corviknight slows down your momentum drastically which is not good in a play style so focused on offensive breaking prowess

[lofty herald]

screw wing and tusk, lowkix is drafted

goat playss

[low phoenix]

Huh

Lokix just isn’t it in sun

When there are better breakers that utilize sun more effectively

[north nimbus]

Sun is already somewhat restricted and pretty straightforward

[lofty herald]

ik but i js wanna mess around wit differet breakers

and when u said wing, lowkix came to mind

[north nimbus]

like some mons just aren’t worth wasting precious sun turns

[low phoenix]

If you want to mess around you can do that just don’t expect to get consistent wins

[lofty herald]

cos of first impression

whats the ev spread for specs speed boost wake?

modest?

[limber spear]

244 spa 252+speed

[lofty herald]

specs would js go crazy wit it

[low phoenix]

You can find everything in the smogwiki

[lofty herald]

bet thank yall

[low phoenix]

If you look up walking wake

You will find the viable sets for that pokemon

Just be sure to choose the specs set the boots sets is for an entirely different kind of team

[lofty herald]

tera ghost lilligant just got 4 kills like a boss

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/8650cf15d1b87247 just trying smthing new

i might change nite to ghost blast cuz pech

[elder knoll]

scarf wake is fine if you need to maneuver it outside of sun with like a torn

that team though is having an identity crisis

[low phoenix]

team looks good

can slap on psyshock over focus blast on gholdengo if you have trouble with stall or standard tail glow manaphy vs balance

[magic walrus]

I’m just trying double dance, and no stall mu yet thx tho

[low phoenix]

id say use double dance manaphy as a late game cleaner

after youve broken your opponents team with your ghold bolt core

can change tusk to sp.atk+ valiant honestly if you want to go full special spam as hazard removal isnt as important on webs

[stable gale]

very weak to stall

Dondozo and Clodsire kinda beat the whole team

[stable gale]

psyshock helps with clodsire

[low phoenix]

you mean blissey

clodsire is barely used in ou these days

[stable gale]

team lacks a speedy Pokémon to

[low phoenix]

hes webs

[lofty herald]

clod is seen in stall

[low phoenix]

webs dont need fast guys

[stable gale]

yes

[low phoenix]

and i just mentioned he can slap on psyshock ghold if hes having trouble with stall

[stable gale]

they need to have a at last 1 fast pokemon

[low phoenix]

if youre playing webs you need to go all in

[stable gale]

Dragapult or zama with boots

[lofty herald]

zama on any team is good full glaze

[stable gale]

i think stick web do run at least 1 fast pokemon

fastest pokemon on his team is Great Tusk

[lofty herald]

yikes

[low phoenix]

the entire point of webs is slowing down your oppoent enough for your breakers to have the get go and overwhelm your opponent

https://pokepast.es/8dd33e431d9baf52\

[stable gale]

with only have 300

[lofty herald]

trick room is more consistent then webs imo

[low phoenix]

what

[stable gale]

see this team is running Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

it have a 1 speedy pokemon

[lofty herald]

double trick room with gking and hat

[low phoenix]

trick room isnt consistent at all you literally only have 3 turns to break most good players will be able to play around it

[stable gale]

even Kyurem with boots is outspeeding the team

[low phoenix]

if youre concerned about 317bst mons just run sd pon w play rough

standard tail glow manaphy outspeeds too

[wooden linden]

Webs dont need incredibly fast pkmn to function

[lofty herald]

the whole point is to have those big mons like dozo, luna, even gambit

[alpine hornet]

@lofty herald @stable gale can you just let memester take this rate it is clear neither if you are super experienced with the meta

[alpine hornet]

#comp-general

to talk abt this

[stable gale]

mb

[low phoenix]

dozo isnt used in trick room and ursaluna ONLY exists in trick room and some niche offense structures

gambit is good in trick room and webs but this isnt the point of this convo

[trail whale]

^^^

please avoid clogging the channel and giving advice when you're inexperienced, bad advice is worse than no advice, raters will get to it.

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/2ad2f8c3ae025af2 tried to make a very fat hstack team, I’m worried abt the stall mu tho

[wooden linden]

Stall shouldnt be too hard to deal with here

Psyshock glowking clef and scizor handle majority of stall pretty easily

I will say the team is pretty scared of gambit here so maybe zamazenta over dnite or scizor

Oh and no hazard control here so you could opt for boots spam or a rapid spinner

[stone sierra]

Oh true I have sinis I prolly don’t need a flyer

[stone sierra]

Could I go tusk over dnite to solve both issues?

[wooden linden]

You could

I'd say maybe zama and treads though

[stone sierra]

What should I replace for treads?

[wooden linden]

Prob scizor here

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/3950206d3d50f7ad smth like this?

[wooden linden]

Maybe make the zama max atk and max speed

[stone sierra]

I thought I’d want another phaser

[wooden linden]

Aoa zama can use roar still

Like cc crunch stone edge roar

[stone sierra]

I was thinking iron head instead of crunch? Bc tera fairy blast gambit looks kinda scary

And crunch feels like it doesn’t hit anything hard enough

[wooden linden]

Well you do need smth to hit ghosts

And you just let in ghold for free

[stone sierra]

Feels like zama always does, especially the recover np sets

[wooden linden]

Yeah but youd rather have it then not have it imo

[trail whale]

crunch is kinda mandatory

[wooden linden]

Maybe iron head over roar

Idt 2 phasers are too needed here given that ting is already pretty good

[stone sierra]

Kk

Thanks for the help

[magic walrus]

What is the Tera for the ghol white psyshock

With

[low phoenix]

Can be fairy

[magic walrus]

👌

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/296a3fd236e0247e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever berry]

Simple logic - my bulky pivots - Glowking and Zapdos - paralyze shit

My dark type breakers use flinch moves

Valiant lures Moltres and Alomomola

Tusk is hazard control

[charred needle]

https://pokepast.es/ebaea3ee74ab6e60 Ya’ll like boots?

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/a5f51fee047b5bb6 uh 3 ground types that the problem : weak to ice as heck (i tried pech>gliscor but then team is weak to ground mainly its woger hazard stack but woger needs hazard removal so thats why its so clumsy

[charred needle]

i gigalose to kyurem

[gilded depot]

https://pokepast.es/59b2798e42cacc77

https://pokepast.es/da5c2ae222d47b46

I like those type of team, but idk if it can goes well. It's easy to push 1500, and the Oger one already it 1650, but idk if it's a build or skill issue

The Fake Rain one dont like Raging Zap and Prima, idrk how to fix the problem without changing the structure. Those "type" of team are inspired by one of my fav team, a gen8 one. (A team with I get my highest peak with), and it's the style I like to play, so please, try to stay closer to it if you want to give advise, thank you ! 🙏🏻

[elder knoll]

Feeeeeeeessssshhhhhh

• CM Clefable and Gliscor are generally best on bulky boots spam structures
• When you use Gliscor you usually wanna pair it with a secondary ground resist. Or at least a guy that can switch into spinners aimed at Gliscor. This could be stuff like: Corv, Skarm, Keldeo, and Sinistcha.

Some other I’d like to yap about

• I generally think Ogerpon likes to be on more offensive structures
• If needed it can be the spike setter itself but needs to be paired with another breaker if it does

[limber spear]

tysm

(does adding counter quag work)(joke)

[clever berry]

Nah Ogerpon-W is fine here

They need a breaker

[limber spear]

but its not even sd

[elder knoll]

Pon can break without SD

[clever berry]

Make it SD though

Tbh

[elder knoll]

Pon is trippling down on the Kyurem weakness

😭

[clever berry]

H Stack means SD isn't as needed too

[elder knoll]

4 Kyurem victims 🥀

[clever berry]

What is Clef needed for over Glowking?

[limber spear]

dont mind a quad atp

[limber spear]

cuz its a pink blob

[clever berry]

Glowking is atleast a Kyurem switch in

[clever berry]

so is glowking

[limber spear]

its purple

[clever berry]

It's both

[limber spear]

i grabbed a sample and switched a few thing

and now its bad

yay

imma just play that sample atp(i cant build)

[elder knoll]

[elder knoll]

I’ll help you build something

[limber spear]

i throwed your av hoopa u to my friend

[clever berry]

I think changing a sample doesn;t work well

[limber spear]

and i had fun seeing him play it

[clever berry]

Because its unlkely that you improve the squad

[limber spear]

yeah u r right

[limber spear]

[elder knoll]

Generally you’d want to start by figuring out your offensive core

[limber spear]

( exactly does the opposite )

like for example if i build around woger , what offensive core do i get(i cant think of anyhting that walls it consistently)

besides hydrapple

[elder knoll]

Zama, Hydrapple, Tera birds

dragonite

bolt

are the notable Pon switch ins

[limber spear]

so i think adding a fairy works

[clever berry]

Sinischa

[elder knoll]

Yeah

[limber spear]

i finsihed one

[elder knoll]

Which one though

[limber spear]

i chose enam

[elder knoll]

alr

[limber spear]

i was trying specs/cm valiant

[elder knoll]

[limber spear]

imma test abd post it here

later

[elder knoll]

If you wanted to run Val

I wouldn’t go for a setup set

[limber spear]

but like then i lack a speed control

so i went with scarf enam

https://pokepast.es/5739dbb8968f963e

[elder knoll]

You said you wanted hazard stack right?

[limber spear]

this isnt

cuz i cant make it 😭

but yeah

seems fun to play hstack

[placid yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/f0f42a2d68f32985

Wow 2 kinda normal imp teams in a row
Shocking I know

I haven't refined it yet but i had val weavile stuck in my builder

Needed something to do with them

[worn lark]

How do you get booster speed on a specs wake

Take some evs out of sp atk?

[placid yarrow]

Walking Wake @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hydro Steam
• Draco Meteor
• Flamethrower
• Dragon Pulse

This spread

[elder knoll]

Well your team is workable

[placid yarrow]

244 sp atk with jolly 252

[elder knoll]

right now I see steel AoA Zamazenta causing issues

[worn lark]

k

[placid yarrow]

Stellar blast is meh

[worn lark]

k

[elder knoll]

You could add spikes on Wellspring then covert from there

[limber spear]

but then i lose sd

to break wall

[elder knoll]

We’ll get there dw

[placid yarrow]

This works as an offense team but for hstack it's gonna need a lotta revisions

[limber spear]

this isn’t planned with h stack in mind tho

this is a completely different offensive team

[placid yarrow]

Ah
Well then

[elder knoll]

what you have rn would be stronger as a hazard stack

or at least is pretty easily converted

[placid yarrow]

I feel like we would need to change 2 mons min for hazard stack

[limber spear]

oh...

[placid yarrow]

Well ig wogre can be a spiker but we defo need a ghost for hazard stack

[elder knoll]

Remember your Val from earlier?

[limber spear]

yes

[elder knoll]

last re explore that option.

[placid yarrow]

Boots val?

[elder knoll]

can you give it a set that’s hits all of Pons checks

and hits some of its own?

[limber spear]

oh ok

wait gimme a sec

sd sets run ivy + grass/fairy/dark move

so if for sd its ivy knock playrough i think

[placid yarrow]

That sounds like a special val with tbolt and moonblast

[limber spear]

oh

[elder knoll]

yeah

[limber spear]

not pon set

😭 my dumb brain 😭

[elder knoll]

you can make that Val set e-belt or LO for more breaking power

[placid yarrow]

Iron Valiant @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Encore
• Thunderbolt
• Knock Off
• Moonblast

Here's what I labbed up but it's not done yet

Not done

[placid yarrow]

Pretty good options
Uhhh
Maybe scarf? Actually

What's the pult answer

[limber spear]

scarf val ._. very gimmicky seems fun

[placid yarrow]

Well I am trying to think

Maybe run like moonblast tbolt then have a different pult answer

Then run either boots lorb or ebelt

[limber spear]

ting lu can check pult

oh wait woger is spike

[placid yarrow]

Woger is good but I think it's not a great spiker

[limber spear]

its a set in the smogon page

[placid yarrow]

Ik but for like hazard stack it shouldn't be your spiker

That's usually like on more offenssive teams

[limber spear]

so do i add a ting lu

[placid yarrow]

That's the most straight forward option for a hazard stack
Add a ting-lu

[elder knoll]

I’d go CC to hit Blissey

[placid yarrow]

Over encore?

[elder knoll]

yeah

[limber spear]

why not psychockover encore

hits poison and gweezing

[placid yarrow]

Tera Dark bliss

[limber spear]

oh yeah

(tera ghost blissey when)

[placid yarrow]

And uhh
Iirc psyshock still bounces off pecha and gweezing
And you would need to burn moth's booster

[limber spear]

yeah both of them hv good def

[placid yarrow]

Well pecha for sure lemme check gweezing

[limber spear]

so i use woger+val to create knock off+ sweeping

[placid yarrow]

252 SpA Iron Valiant Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 106-126 (31.8 - 37.8%) -- 0.3% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

[limber spear]

3 hit is mid

yeah cc is better

[placid yarrow]

Whoops used the monotype set

[limber spear]

btw i think we should be team building here

a random mod will bounce out

[placid yarrow]

Ego wired in CRT (Iron Valiant) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Close Combat
• Thunderbolt
• Knock Off
• Moonblast

@elder knoll

[limber spear]

but like why boots tho

woger hates hazard

[elder knoll]

yeah I like Tera electric though

[limber spear]

who do i add as a remover of hazard

[elder knoll]

So fresh

[limber spear]

yes

[elder knoll]

we have Pon + Val now

[limber spear]

yep

[elder knoll]

so now we need a win con

and speed control

[limber spear]

wait so arent those wincons

[elder knoll]

Val is a breaker, Pon is a pivot/spiker

[limber spear]

oh

ok

[elder knoll]

so what’s a setup wincon that works well with what you have

[limber spear]

idk gambit?

nasty plot dengo?

that can work as a ghost type 4 the team

[placid yarrow]

Hazard stacks employ weavile, dnite or some special attacker

[limber spear]

dnite seems neat

is cm clef a wincon

she is very fun

[elder knoll]

not speed control

😔