#SV OU Rates

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wooden linden
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ghold is good enough here

stone sierra
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Oh

wooden linden
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just add recover over fblast

stone sierra
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Neat

stone sierra
wooden linden
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and tera ghost

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oh and also rocks over spikes on lu

stone sierra
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I’m glad it didn’t take me multiple days to make a shitty team lol

gritty lake
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How does it take multiple days to build a team

stone sierra
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Every time i struggle with making a team I think “fuck it what if I just add ting lu” and it works out

stone sierra
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I team build when I want to take a minor break

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So I’ve been making that team over the course of a couple days

bright plinth
regal ginkgoBOT
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bright plinth
limber spear
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would say lack of dd kyurem counter

nocturne sable
limber spear
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also kind of slow and e speed on dnite would be better

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dice sets can break i think

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with sub tera or tb

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add a scarf user i think

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317 max speed for a team is slow

bright plinth
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i replaced dnite with darkrsi

bright plinth
bright plinth
limber spear
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like hatt isn’t a save check overall(with tera)

bright plinth
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okay i think i got it

limber spear
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most raters r asleep i think u r better off waiting for them or quaxly which is pretty good too

bright plinth
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alright

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thank u for the help

limber spear
tepid hazel
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made an ogerpon-base team

languid tendon
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ngl looks solid but i must ask what are molt evs for and why tera fairy

tepid hazel
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if it cant be rated/suggested may i know any other fast grass types that are able to perform better than ogerpon

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on whose

languid tendon
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a better grass type is ogerpon wellspring

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and meow

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on this team i'd use nasty plot gholdengo

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tera grass molt

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scarf samu

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wellspring over ms rubl

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and make molt phys def

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i can do in depth later but thats just the base of what i see of making it better

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wellspring is better on THAT team over meow because it'd be dark spam

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and your already weak enough to fairy

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also i'd change roar molt to willo wisp

nocturne sable
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Nah I disagree with changing roar molt I thinks it’s very important to phase out threatening sweepers like kyurem, Dnite etc

languid tendon
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true true but the same can be done with willo wisp to an point

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roar is good sometimes yea

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but willo is more useful 60% of the time

limber spear
nocturne sable
languid tendon
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kyurem can tera electric and kill

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so can dnite

nocturne sable
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If I were to add will o I would probably drop U-turn

languid tendon
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its not always about tera

limber spear
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tbh only kyurem tera fires

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t fire dnite is strange

languid tendon
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t fire dnite is scale shot fire punch

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fire set

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but not good

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or used alot

limber spear
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not a common set to say the least

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tbh knock off might better than low kick there

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moltres and ting can check the gambit

languid tendon
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they are better off running wellspring but yea if they keep oger knock is better

limber spear
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or horn leech works

languid tendon
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ivy cudgel is already grass 120 bp

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without stab

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oh wait nvm

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i forgot normal ogerpon is just 100 bp without stab

limber spear
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wait it’s not well spring the whole time?

languid tendon
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no

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its normal ogerpon

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it has hdb

limber spear
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oh then low kick is ok cuz i thought water ivy hits gambit for neutral

low phoenix
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calm mind clef looks good on your team

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low kick on ogerpon can be knock off

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meowscarada can be a good alternative

elder knoll
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where removal

languid tendon
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i just noticed that

languid tendon
low phoenix
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or stealth rock clefable and spikes ting lu

languid tendon
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i'd rather just make ogerpon woger

low phoenix
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gholdengo moltres and clef are solid enough glues for the fairies

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wogerpon very appreciates hazard removal which this team doesnt have

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unless he wants to slap on a hazard control somewhere

cold cosmos
bright plinth
low phoenix
low phoenix
magic dome
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might be an interesting idea to swap out tusk for treads and darkrai for np torn

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also make ceruledge adamant so +2 cc can ohko tinglu

stone sierra
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Grass knot bleakwind heat wave should work fine they already have 3 mons that hit gking well

bright plinth
bright plinth
magic dome
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nasty plot tornadus therian

bright plinth
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okay i will try that thanks

stone sierra
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Ye he has hat tusk I don’t think boots are needed

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Life orb allows you to 2HKO ting lu with grass knot and Tera grass unboosted

bright plinth
magic dome
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with some spdef

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theres a sample set i think works here

bright plinth
languid tendon
languid tendon
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what could tera blast fairy even be for that supercell does not kill

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just run eq gang

bright plinth
magic dome
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go spikes > stealth rocks on ting lu

bright plinth
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fr ?

magic dome
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im not sure about the kyurem. if it feels like its hard to bring kyurem in you might want to swap it out for a different breaker

magic dome
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you can drop rocks for ice spinner and put rocks on lu, or keep rocks and go spikes on lu

bright plinth
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i put ice spinner

bright plinth
magic dome
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it might be interesting to go specs raging bolt > specs kyurem here

bright plinth
magic dome
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very little in the game can take a specs draco comfortably, and it helps break for your tornadus in the back

magic dome
bright plinth
bright plinth
magic dome
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tera dragon, draco volt switch thunderbolt thunderclap

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you can go max special attack max speed timid

bright plinth
elder knoll
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hi Cala gmcat

magic dome
hollow folio
regal ginkgoBOT
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Hey @hollow folio, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

mossy aurora
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Hey hey
I made a rain team and I was wondering if someone could look at it
I tried out a few versions so far and this is what I'm on right now, but I think it is still lacking
Basculegion, probably, is the main issue I think at the moment. But I don't know what to replace it with
https://pokepast.es/f2c489b8041812f2

regal ginkgoBOT
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low phoenix
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ogerpon w > zamazenta

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i dont like band barraskewda with all the wogerpon running around give it mystic water with close combat or poison jab

mossy aurora
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why iron treads?
barra already has cc, should i swap that with poison jab?

low phoenix
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you need a ground

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also hazard control

mossy aurora
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true true

low phoenix
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raging bolt wipes your team otherwise

mossy aurora
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valiant has more or less handled raging bolt so far

low phoenix
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you still need a ground

mossy aurora
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maybe swap zama with treads?

low phoenix
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and valiant doesnt like switching to attacks in the first place

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yea swap zama > treads

mossy aurora
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cool cool
should i keep basculegion or no?

low phoenix
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change zapdos to an offensive set with weather ball thunder hurricane

hot dome
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??

low phoenix
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typo

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or just change zapdos to raging bolt and basculegion to something like torn t dnite or overqwil

mossy aurora
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thats actually a pretty good idea

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or thunderous?

stone sierra
low phoenix
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thundurus is niche at best

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raging bolt is better overall

mossy aurora
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hm..
ill put on raging bolt and dnite
what kind of dnite set?

low phoenix
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regular dd works

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the smogon set

mossy aurora
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theres like 3 dnite dragon dance sets on smogon lol

stone sierra
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Adamant

low phoenix
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standard dragon dance

stone sierra
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Espeed dance eq ice spinner

low phoenix
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with ddance extreme speed earthquake ice spinner

mossy aurora
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alright i see
treads with knock off over ice spinner?

low phoenix
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keeping ice spinner is aight

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knock off isnt as important on very offensive teams like rain

mossy aurora
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cool cool

cold cosmos
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i mean.. yeah its a choice band

cold cosmos
regal ginkgoBOT
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alpine hornet
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and molt mixdef w roar

cold cosmos
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interesting

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tera ice ice spinnr

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why moltres change

alpine hornet
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ur matchup into moth and pon + hazards are a little ruff asw

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im almost inclined to say make hands av

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on ts

cold cosmos
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bro

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this hands is HIM

cold cosmos
alpine hornet
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ok @cold cosmos changes:
tice ice spinner treads
mixdef molt
mixdef mola w mirror coat over scald

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is what id do to fix ur mus

cold cosmos
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i agree with last change

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i could also go like av mola

alpine hornet
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and make molt tera grass asw

wooden linden
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Maybe sd could work

cold cosmos
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@alpine hornet

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wait

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i need to show u sum

alpine hornet
cold cosmos
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this is why band hands the goat

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@languid tendon

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u2

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tera blast fairy ftw

cold cosmos
stone sierra
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Just copy paste the spreads

cold cosmos
bright plinth
limber spear
trail whale
# limber spear https://pokepast.es/219a5a4e1e3eecfc

This looks really messy

Offense sets where you won't need to be coming in much to worry about hazards, but you have no defensive pivots to bring these threats in and your speed control feels too iffy for an offense

wooden linden
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Enam and zama is prob fine enough for speed control

trail whale
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When I say Offense sets I mean like Ebelt Zama and AVrott
I don't think Lefties Ghold is good but that kind of counts

wooden linden
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I will say theres not much of a point for sini and ghold

limber spear
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i was building around cha hazard stack but i got lost

wooden linden
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Hmm

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A bulkier steel over ghold should work

limber spear
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gambit!

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?

wooden linden
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Thinking crown

limber spear
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oh

trail whale
limber spear
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av crown or what

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or specs

wooden linden
limber spear
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i guess bulkier route is better for me

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it’s more forgiving

wooden linden
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Possibly specs crown over ghold here if you want to keep sini

trail whale
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But uh general advice is that it's good to decide the style and try to stick to it before you build ❤️

wooden linden
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You dont really have breaking power otherwise

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That too

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Tbf teams can kinda change over time

limber spear
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decided the style and failed to stick to it

wooden linden
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Like as long as youre not using extremes

trail whale
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You can do a lot of things to fit the team imo so I'd recommend re evaluating with the advice you've gotten and then sending it again so we can give a more precise rate

trail whale
wooden linden
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Thats ok cheempao

limber spear
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so like i should get some more pivots to bring in my attacker ?(if i didn’t get it wrong

trail whale
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Pivots are indeed very good
Try and dedicate to a bulky hazard stack w Sinistcha, would probably mean a lot more boots and a fatter defensive backbone

limber spear
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so fat + pivot + more shoes to wear

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thanks

limber spear
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like rocks pressure was the only play

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also prima can help fix against valiant

tardy sparrow
elder knoll
limber spear
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i need priority

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they said specs is better

elder knoll
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You can make Prim your breaker then with specs

limber spear
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oh

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i want a priority tho

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what can i do

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quick attack zama?

elder knoll
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You still need a strong knocker

limber spear
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ik

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the team is still

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shit

elder knoll
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You’re going for a hazard stack balance type thing?

limber spear
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was going for a bulky kind

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or pivot spam

tardy sparrow
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hazard stack without knock is like an angel without wings

limber spear
elder knoll
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Tink + Lu was popular on Sinistcha structures

limber spear
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oh

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but like

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how do i fit a tinka in

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my team just suddenly dies to ground and ice stab

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nvm zama

gritty lake
limber spear
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i like swinub(off topic

elder knoll
limber spear
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oh

elder knoll
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and the tusk

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I’d rework this as a boots spam

limber spear
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tusk is for removal tho

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oh

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boots spam right

gritty lake
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Boots spam

cold cosmos
limber spear
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so i run mold breaker to break hatt or i use ballon pickpocket

gritty lake
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Dam

cold cosmos
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2hit ofc

gritty lake
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Oh

cold cosmos
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not sure if u mean tera ice

gritty lake
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Nah just regular

cold cosmos
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nah its a 2hit

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might kill garchomp tho cuz that guy is a fraud

gritty lake
limber spear
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chomp in ou

cold cosmos
gritty lake
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Or just play old gens

limber spear
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tbh ban the whole ou tier and chomp will be good

gritty lake
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Ok lol

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Did u start in sv

limber spear
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yes

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like sort of

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not a topic here but

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its late ss but i am more casual and knew less about the game its really like these 1-2 years that i rlly learn a lot of it

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anyways switch topic cuz a mod will comeout anytime soon

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planning for a lando with scarf but thats too much speed

elder knoll
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You also need a knocker

limber spear
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is tink not enough

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offensive pivot with knock? h sam withscarf?

elder knoll
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The knocker needs to be able to threaten the common absorbers

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So Corv, Gliscor, and Clef

elder knoll
limber spear
elder knoll
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Typically these are separate roles

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But Wake can be an offensive pivot with knock

limber spear
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the freak is that dinosaur 😭

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so it’s flip stab stab knock

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with boots

elder knoll
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yeah

limber spear
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does it even do that much

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yay i love being off topic

elder knoll
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😭 I mean it’s alright

echo rampart
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as long as it's relevant discussion yeah

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but ofc try to keep it related to just team-rating

regal ginkgoBOT
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Walking Wake (Gen 9)
Typing

Water / Dragon

Abilities

0: Protosynthesis

Base Stats (BST: 590)

99 / 83 / 91 / 125 / 83 / 109

Weight

280 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

limber spear
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nvm i just realise that it’s a real set

alpine hornet
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molt is a little more specific lemme find what i like

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wait i just realized after sending this i entered the evs wrong somehow

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oops!

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supposed to be 10 less in spdef and 10 more in def

blazing juniper
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219 speed ties with neutral prima

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🤔

gritty lake
cold cosmos
stone sierra
languid tendon
hot dome
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just because you can get a replay of it working once doesn't mean it's a good set

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fish enough games you can get a replay of anything working

languid tendon
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does it mean hitmonlee is good def not

visual turret
regal ginkgoBOT
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visual turret
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its prolly bad but id like advice

smoky smelt
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guys im newbie in pokemon showdown is this team cool (im low rating)

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eager plaza
# smoky smelt guys im newbie in pokemon showdown is this team cool (im low rating)

Im no pro, but substitute focus sash dragapult? Big no, use sets on the import/export button or use sample teans from this link
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-spl-and-roaring-moon-ban.3712513/
I reccomend going for offense teams

Smogon Forums
Resource - SV OU Sample Teams - New Samples Added Post SPL and Roar...

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Welcome to the sample teams thread where you can find solid teams to try out the tier and learn the OU metagame with teams proven to be good in Tournaments and Ladder alike. To get the importable of the team, simply click on the...

smoky smelt
nocturne sable
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It should be at the bottom of the screen when you open teambuilder

smoky smelt
nocturne sable
smoky smelt
nocturne sable
smoky smelt
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but i cant understand why the team is that bad im winning most matches

hot dome
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no offense, but a team working in lower ladder does not mean it's good

nocturne sable
# smoky smelt but i cant understand why the team is that bad im winning most matches

Most teams can win matches if they are very low on the ladder. Unfortunately they don’t reach any higher than that.

The problem with your team is non of these sets are optimal and they just seem very random. Dragon dance pult with no physical move is anti synergy

You’re running bad moves on your Pokemon. fly landorus, venoshock iron moth, bulldoze iron crown and shadow claw Ursaluna is bad and they don’t accomplish anything in battle.

Yours evs also just seems random like they were just slapped together with no thought.

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Most half decent teams would easily beat a team like this. Sorry for the long message btw

smoky smelt
trail whale
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You've been told what you should do. use the samples to learn the metagame more!

smoky smelt
nocturne sable
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Studying samples will help you understand what type of team you want to build. Tbh there’s not much saving your team other than scrapping it.

trail whale
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You can improve, what you need is knowledge of the metagame

nocturne sable
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^

smoky smelt
smoky smelt
swift forum
limber spear
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geranlly dondozo isnt great on non stall teams and curse + water move isnt great cuz a waterpon can hard wall it

swift forum
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i have hydra for that

limber spear
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oh yeah

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idt dondozo is a great choice tho

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zama/valiant can help with gambit

swift forum
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i mean i kinda kept getting fried by ceru and sd sciz using band pult teams

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also i need either priority or dozo and there isn't really a good priority that hits everything

limber spear
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oh right your team needs a ghost resist

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add a gambit should work bettr

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like if u hate other gambits

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u can run max speed low sweep gambit to catch them off guard

swift forum
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could work

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low kick?

limber spear
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oh yeah that one

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also run tera blast on dragault as phantom force is extremely unreliable + u got tera ghost on draga already

swift forum
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i have

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also gambit over dozo means fire resist is a pult

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which prob wants to tera

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ill try it tho

limber spear
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oh right then replace with sucker punch/quick attack

hot dome
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can't give a full rate rn but there's bigger problems with this team

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you've stacked three breakers no speed control seems to be going for a bo/offense team here
pick between either lo hydrapple, banded pult, or specs crown, you don't need all three one of them can usually break teams just fine and you need to surround it with cleaners/other offensive mons that don't overlap in roles

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ie you can drop dozo for something like id roar zamazenta for a cleaner/phys def/dark resist, drop hydrapple for gambit for a ghost resist/dark resist, swap tusk to its defensive set on the dex
(you can find it here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/great-tusk/)
And then swap crown out as well, either for av crown or maybe another pivot like pecharunt

bright plinth
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all i want for now is a replacement for tornadus

low phoenix
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Not the channel for this

worn lark
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fair enough

edgy crow
regal ginkgoBOT
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edgy crow
worn lark
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why max speed on ursa?

limber spear
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iirc its some gambit speed

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252 jolly out speeds gambit

worn lark
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it only matches gambit's max speed

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not outspeed

limber spear
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jolly

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out speeds max speed ada ig

proud stratus
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It's good to have Jolly on ursa

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You will outspeed mon that has 200 speed

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I would go cm on clef

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To have a nice set up win condition

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Twave + koff seems a bit too much

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And playing def clef

placid yarrow
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cuz the whole point of knock clef is to get rid of boots

edgy crow
placid yarrow
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every move serves a purpose
lefties isn't as common this gen

edgy crow
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I just down know what to put there

placid yarrow
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stealth rock cm

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trick sticky barb
flamethrower if you feel a little silly

edgy crow
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alr

placid yarrow
edgy crow
placid yarrow
edgy crow
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ok then

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the only reason I use knock off clef on this team is to remove rocky helmet for ursa or av for pult

placid yarrow
placid yarrow
edgy crow
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ok

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forgot of some air balloon matchup while making team

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fire punch or throat chop

placid yarrow
wooden linden
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iirc i got like 1900 elo but it def is outdated

placid yarrow
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Hmmmm
Lemme read your rmt again

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Was it an rmt?
Feel like I have seen this before

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Hmmm
I can't wrap my finger around what's missing
The only thing I could even see being changed is maybe pult?

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Cuz ace king lando is a solid foundation

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And rockpon is gud

cold cosmos
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it was used by lax

stable gale
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Any last Pokémon suggestion, and any Pokémon I am super weak to

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thinking of adding Cinderace

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and thinking of dropping sw on Ogerpon-Wellspring and using u turn

languid tendon
limber spear
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tbh i never seen a dondozo out side of stall

languid tendon
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i've seen a solid amount in 1600-1770

limber spear
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and just bring body press

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if u cant win against gambit whihc is the only thing that breaks it

placid yarrow
languid tendon
languid tendon
limber spear
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it does???

placid yarrow
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It's a bit out of fashion now

wooden linden
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youd rather stick to wellspring

placid yarrow
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But uhhh lemme fetch the blimax team

wooden linden
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lets you deal with alo and tusk way easier

stable gale
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it have spikes

wooden linden
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i will say sylveon isnt needed here

stable gale
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it is good

languid tendon
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drop spikes and put u turn/play rough and drop sylveon

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not in this meta

stable gale
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man check this team ur self

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i feel like

languid tendon
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ive tried sylveon

stable gale
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when playing syveon is pulling

languid tendon
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its not worth it

stable gale
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then what to add

languid tendon
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take sylveon out if you want a fairy i'd put ival on that squad

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fairy fighting is great stab

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make pecha corv? for removal

stable gale
languid tendon
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and corv does not take sand damage

wooden linden
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nah pech is nice here

limber spear
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what 😭 i say through samples and didnt even find one with it

wooden linden
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they need some sort of pivot here

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and also smth to switch into wellspring

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also malignant chain over toxic

stable gale
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1st u turn on wellspring then

placid yarrow
languid tendon
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a slow pivot (corv) removal (corv) and something else thats not ground weak (corv)

limber spear
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why is it in half

placid yarrow
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I am not sending the paste because chatot might think it's a rate

stable gale
limber spear
placid yarrow
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Not really?

limber spear
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like sort of

languid tendon
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not really its more of a BO

stable gale
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brother u have change the whole team

limber spear
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its 2 attacker with 4 "walls"

placid yarrow
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It's very much a fat/bo

limber spear
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rlly fat bo ig

languid tendon
limber spear
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still i dont like dondozo outside of stall

placid yarrow
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?? Glowking isn't exactly playing like a stall mon

limber spear
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rest sucks

stable gale
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i thought

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this was the team

limber spear
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they need to get kyurem in ig

stable gale
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btw what the the 2 pokemon

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1 st dozo

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and 2nd ?

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corv ?

languid tendon
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dont put dozo on sand

placid yarrow
languid tendon
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we are talking abt dozo in a diff type of team

stable gale
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i mean

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nvm

languid tendon
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zama on sand just sounds ass

stable gale
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yea

limber spear
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they would want a ground resist

placid yarrow
stable gale
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btw i was think Mandibuzz

placid yarrow
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According to usage

stable gale
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with overcoat

limber spear
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cuz like 3/5 is weak to it and the resistant is woger somehow

languid tendon
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woger is not a ground res ngl

limber spear
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it resists but its not smth for taking dmg

languid tendon
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thats why i said corv over pecha

stable gale
limber spear
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uh

languid tendon
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i'd still drop sylveon

limber spear
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ground and ice kyurem hits through that

languid tendon
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mandibuzz is heat tho

stable gale
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for what

limber spear
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no ice resist

stable gale
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yea

languid tendon
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but yea kyurem eats your team bri

stable gale
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sylveon

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can come

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on sp

languid tendon
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maybe spdef corv over sylveon

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bro when mixed kyurem

stable gale
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yea

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tera

languid tendon
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tera cant always save you

stable gale
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of kyurem

limber spear
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whats the woger set

languid tendon
limber spear
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does it have play rough

wooden linden
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i'd just do this here

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av glowking so fairies arent as rough

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zama and pult for speed control

stable gale
wooden linden
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zama also helps with mixed kyu

languid tendon
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^

stable gale
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it taking more than 50

languid tendon
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nope

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it takes 44 normally

stable gale
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calc

languid tendon
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i run spdef corv with pecha all the time

placid yarrow
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stats taken from 1825

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zamazenta is right there

languid tendon
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cool

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but yea run what msc put

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i have a sand team by lawyerantis that i'll get for you too

stable gale
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252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 177-208 (44.3 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Possible damage amounts: (177, 178, 180, 183,

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man still one wrong roll

languid tendon
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3hko

stable gale
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brother what can i do

limber spear
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body press

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and then revenge kill

stable gale
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nah

languid tendon
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body press is still like 2hko

limber spear
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like sac it

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u got speed control i think

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317 is slow

stable gale
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4 Def Corviknight Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 132-156 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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nah

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Sylveon good

languid tendon
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and go exca with rock blast/ other rock move

limber spear
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how about bb

stable gale
languid tendon
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sylveon does NOT have that good of bulk

stable gale
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it can tank

languid tendon
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just run what mcs said to run

languid tendon
placid yarrow
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I feel like if I wanted to build sylveon
I wouldn't do sand

languid tendon
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ngl on sand i like specs pult more

stable gale
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i mean

placid yarrow
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it doesn't exactly play to sylveon's strengths
and nor does sylveon synergize with sand's gameplan particularly well

wooden linden
placid yarrow
languid tendon
stable gale
languid tendon
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wisp pult with specs is my friend sometimes

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jk

languid tendon
stable gale
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give me link

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i will try and give u result

languid tendon
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@wooden linden

wooden linden
placid yarrow
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ok phew didn't trigger chatot

placid yarrow
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well I'd rather not find out

languid tendon
regal ginkgoBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

languid tendon
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every 6 hours it goes off ig

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oh wtf

placid yarrow
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????

languid tendon
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just had to be 6 hours

placid yarrow
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it was definetly more than 6 hours

languid tendon
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nope last one was 3:27 am

limber spear
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"this isnt a conversation for this channel"-someone

wooden linden
languid tendon
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ig it does not work for helpers

languid tendon
placid yarrow
limber spear
placid yarrow
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cb tar is wack

stable gale
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av pex is good man

languid tendon
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what

stable gale
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feel good to use

languid tendon
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av pex is tomfoolery

wooden linden
limber spear
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its ok

wooden linden
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on the gliscor

limber spear
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the ev lives a max roll ivy

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from 252

wooden linden
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no careful does that already

limber spear
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what

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😭

wooden linden
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unless you mean ada

languid tendon
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dont ever run av pex half of its moves should be non damaging

limber spear
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my show dex says

wooden linden
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av pex is fine enough

limber spear
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its 99.6

languid tendon
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haze/baneful/tspikes .

limber spear
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showdex is ass

wooden linden
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oh also put ice beam on pex here

limber spear
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cant i tried

wooden linden
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you dont want gliscor sitting on you

limber spear
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cant progress through stuff

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like garg

wooden linden
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you should be fine vs garg here

languid tendon
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oh its stall

limber spear
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whats my play tho

wooden linden
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knock gliscor with spikes

languid tendon
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okay av pex is fine

wooden linden
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gweezing can burn

languid tendon
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i had just looked at team

limber spear
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yeah ok ig

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eq gliscor 🔥

languid tendon
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also 2 defoggers

limber spear
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idk about corv set tbh

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yeah dobule defogstall

wooden linden
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you could go fast corv with idbp

languid tendon
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i'd put body press over defog

wooden linden
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extra check to gambit

limber spear
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i need bb to hit woger tho

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and press on dozo can check gambit

languid tendon
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you need one more gambit check

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gambit can 2hko dozo btw

limber spear
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but then how i beat woger

limber spear
languid tendon
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idef

languid tendon
wooden linden
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only with tera dark black glasses 5 fallen

languid tendon
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still

wooden linden
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you could still put like

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tera grass on gweezing

languid tendon
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2hkos dozo

wooden linden
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lets you burn wellspring and get rid of ground weakness

limber spear
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i find it hard to position against ghodengo

languid tendon
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av pex

limber spear
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(skill issue

languid tendon
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psyshock gholdengo aint alive anymore

wooden linden
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nah its still a thing

limber spear
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then i run steel?

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tera dark imme someway to deal with future sight

wooden linden
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blissey should be fine here with tera dark

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you have cm shadow ball so its not unwinnable

limber spear
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do i run fthrower

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but it fails to hit draga

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but in return hits gambit

wooden linden
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you prob dont need it here

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corv plus dozo does well enough

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put tera fighting on dozo btw

limber spear
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so do i do ironpress corv

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grass was just for woger but ok i think

wooden linden
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yeah id corv is good

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you have tera grass gweezing so it should be ok enough

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and tbh if the wellspring had encore youd prob lose regardless

limber spear
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yeah right

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time to ladder then ig

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i dropped near 70 elo

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😭

wooden linden
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nah thats just how stall works tbh

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its match up fishy so its bound to happen once in a while

placid yarrow
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mhm
takes some patience too

limber spear
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which means team is good

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just the player ass

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subjectively best team for a dumb person like me

wooden linden
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not necessarily

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if stall has a poor mu vs smth theres not much the player can do

limber spear
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such as what

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that team brough me to 1750 and get beaten back to 1690 😭

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i love and hate it

languid tendon
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im no stall connoisseur so ima stay outta this

limber spear
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pretty sure mcribs isnt a stall player

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right??

wooden linden
limber spear
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pinkstork is the only one ik

wooden linden
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like wellspring psyshock ghold and val

limber spear
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that plays stall(fun one

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so it forces me to tera thrice

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?

wooden linden
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it forces you to tera

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and that lets other stuff break you down

limber spear
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tbh i would tera to handel wellspring

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cuz pex should take val nicely

wooden linden
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well youd still lose to psyshock is the thing

limber spear
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oh yeah but on paper its a must loose for me

languid tendon
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ngl higher in ladder i have not seen psyshock ival in a while

limber spear
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cuz like how do u fit it

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and why

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besides breaking stall which mix val is decent at

wooden linden
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smth like cm tbolt val cant break through glowking anyways

limber spear
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thats why i love pex more than alo

wooden linden
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so might as well just put psyshock

limber spear
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tbh is alo even good in stall

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i found it rather mid

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pex's bulk+ regen helps me take on stuff thats idk how to say

languid tendon
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alo wish passing is pgood

limber spear
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its a good neutral taker

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like gliscor/corv is the main "mix wall" here

worn lark
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made a shitty physical spam trick room team, i shoud probaby go to bed it's late

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wait

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that's the wrong paste

languid tendon
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g15 (joke from that paste ive seen)

worn lark
languid tendon
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banded iron hands is not very good on tr

limber spear
languid tendon
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i'd use swords dance ihands

limber spear
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run hoopa -u

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over the why r u here garg

languid tendon
limber spear
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best paste?

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why is my alt more used than my main acc

languid tendon
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also i'd use two trick room setters

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maybe cress over glowking

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for lunar dance

worn lark
languid tendon
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ihands sd over play rough

worn lark
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what item then?

languid tendon
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change garg to gambit ?

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booster if you want

worn lark
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like, av?

worn lark
languid tendon
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dont use av here

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you want sd

worn lark
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oh wait

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yeah

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i forgot that sd was a status move

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im tired

languid tendon
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make szor a special atker thats slow

worn lark
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w h a t

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i get the slow but

languid tendon
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sini ?

worn lark
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since when was scizor a special atker

worn lark
languid tendon
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change szor to a spatker

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sini has cm/nasty plot

worn lark
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scizor is mostly here for removal and priority

worn lark
languid tendon
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and beats most of gambits and lunas checks

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donbozo and friends

worn lark
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sounds goog

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thanks

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gn chat

languid tendon
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sucker punch gambit should do the prioity

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and removal not needed

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gn

worn lark
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fair enough

worn lark
languid tendon
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a total of one pokemon needs removal

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sini

worn lark
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doesn't my team just kinda... die to hazard stack instantly on preview then?

worn lark
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sinicha has

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removal?

languid tendon
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no

worn lark
#

since when

languid tendon
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its the only mon weak to removal

worn lark
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oh

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fair

languid tendon
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or netural

worn lark
languid tendon
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hatt has magic bounce and cress does not care

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yea

worn lark
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k

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gn

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(sorry i stayed up a bit

wooden linden
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i'd say take out low sweep out for low kick

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on gambit

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and tbh i'd say go calm mind here and take sub out for shadow ball

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it lets you hit stuff like gholdengo and dragapult

bright plinth
languid tendon
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make treads sr over knock off

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make tingus pingus spikes

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make torn scarf ghold

stone sierra
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Please

bright plinth
languid tendon
stone sierra
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If you’re not a rater don’t give advice

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Or be very good at the game

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Like pinkstork

languid tendon
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im giving simple advice ngl his team has obivious holes in it

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and i'd say im pretty solid at 1720

stone sierra
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Yes like the speed, which was lacking before you removed the only fast mon
Youre also type stacking ghosts

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Wait for a real eater

languid tendon
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i never got a chance to say change ceru but okay

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as soon as i said change torn to ghold you said stop giving advice

bright plinth
stone sierra
languid tendon
stone sierra
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You had more than enough time

languid tendon
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i started giving advice for like 30 seconds

stone sierra
hot dome
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everyone chill

stone sierra
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I replied at 1:21

languid tendon
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i was talking in comp general for a solid 1 minute

hot dome
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torn to ghold is a really bad change, i agree

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this team does have a few issues, not a fan of the changes suggested

languid tendon
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if i'd known bro was never changing ceru i would never say change to ghold tbh

hot dome
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torn to ghold is a bad change no matter what you're removing the only flyer and replacing it with another ground weak mon

bright plinth
languid tendon
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but is sr over knock not a good suggest ? and make spikes ting lu for hazard stack ?

bright plinth
hot dome
bright plinth
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cause ting lu was already good enough

languid tendon
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eh okay if so i'd change torn to a max hp max speed set on that team

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give it knock.?

hot dome
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m8 just stop giving advice ill give it a full rate in a sec

bright plinth
hot dome
#

I assume you want to build around ceruledge?

bright plinth
bright plinth
hot dome
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sash ceruledge on non-ho teams is too greedy, i would recommend pivoting to the bulk up covert cloak set

bright plinth
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okay

hot dome
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frankly, i would recomend a pivot to ho in general if youw ant to use ceruledge (or sun), but if you want to keep the general structure of this team

bright plinth
low phoenix
#

sash ceru can work on standard offense/bo imo but you really have to pull multiple strings to keep hazards off and preserve your sash for your ceru to wincon

bright plinth
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but if i make him bulk then no need for two

low phoenix
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ill just leave the rate to clod just wanted to give my input

hot dome
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no, still keep two, you need as much hazard control as possible

bright plinth
bright plinth
bright plinth
stone sierra
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Flash fire

bright plinth
stone sierra
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+spd -spa nature

languid tendon
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just saying

hot dome
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stop

stone sierra
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That was the set used in wcop

hot dome
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you are not trying to beat woger

stone sierra
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But it was on veil

hot dome
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you are trying to beat the fighting types

languid tendon
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no im saying like in general

stone sierra
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It’s flash fire aswell

hot dome
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tera bug gives you a better mu into tusk and zamazenta, who you actually care about

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instead of woger, who you cannot beat

stone sierra
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Not weak armor

languid tendon
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thats all bulk up cerus

stone sierra
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I’m not talking to you

magic dome
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@bright plinth i can give you a more complete rate when i get home, sorry i couldnt finish yours two days ago

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fayas a solid rater too

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so dw

bright plinth
languid tendon
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i've been seeing more tera grass and even on a team that peaked #9 thats why i was asking tho

bright plinth
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just let clodsire fan finish first

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clodsire if u want a minute or two just tell me i am in no rush

hot dome
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swap ting lu for lando
swap torn for zamazenta 4 attack
swap bolt for pecharunt

https://pokepast.es/21a3a1806b5ac1ef

lando has better mu into grounds and can help break, zamazenta is a soft check/speed control option, pecharunt should check the majority of fairies + wogerpon
ceruledge is 84 speed because you want to beat neutral gliscor

hot dome
bright plinth
hot dome
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i would have to rebuild the entire team atp cuz its kinda centered around enabling ceruledge

bright plinth
hot dome
#

but probably pivot to a more mixed team instead of just phys spam, drop hatt go for a more boots spam direction, etc

bright plinth
hot dome
#

cala is going to give their rate later so i would wait, they might find a cleaner solution for this

bright plinth
#

thank u so much man u the best

hot dome
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np

bright plinth
#

and thanks to everyone who helped everyone here r the best fr

frozen spoke
#

Trying to make a team with mixed DD Kyruem, but honesty I’m having no luck

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I can’t explain it, but from my testing this team just feels bad to use

low phoenix
low phoenix
frozen spoke
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Yeah I feel like opposing Tusk can easily rapid spin then do lots of damage to me

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Yeah scarf Lando feels WAY better on this team

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My main issue was being outsped by many threats

low phoenix
#

I also feel like pecharunt will benefit this team

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Gives you a proper switchin to wogerpon over zama

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Or change landorus to drsgapult for a soft wogerpon check

frozen spoke
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I really wanted to justify having boots Pult 😭

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I just didn’t know if it would work

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I’ve never used Dragapult on a team before but it looks super fun

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It also allows me to use tera blast on Kingambit (a move I love using)

low phoenix
#

Yea boots pult looks good on your team

edgy warren
low phoenix
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draco meteor is fine on boots pult

nocturne sable
# worn lark https://pokepast.es/0a0a29367368fea0

I don’t know if this has been rated already but as a person that usually plays with TR a few notes.

-hatterene and cresselia are a must as TR setters, as both are the most reliable in setting up trick room due to their bulk and abilities and have utility moves like healing wish and lunar dance to help revive your tr abusers in a clutch.

-Running defensive mons like garganacl and glowking are a waste on trick room teams since the goal is to make the most out of the limited TR turns you have.

-Iron Hands is a staple on TR teams but it prefers to run booster energy swords dance 3 attacks rather than choice band.

-if you want special attacking mons that abuse tr examples of this are specs enamorus-therain and specs eruption torkoal. And if you want a Mon that can work outside of trick room kingambit is also a very good option.

round portal
#

what is a good partner for heatran

low phoenix
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#comp-general

edgy warren
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and dragon darts is one of the best dragon stab moves in the game

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and gives you a higher damage option vs special walls

nocturne sable
worn lark
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Oh therian

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k

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Gotcha

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Totally forgot torkoal because i only see him on sun lol

wooden linden
#

im not entirely sure what to do now with the team

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its not performing terribly per say just feels easy to out offense

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and hazards are really only becoming an issue now

bright plinth
#

i wanna so i can be here and reply to u

edgy crow
regal ginkgoBOT
#

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

worn lark
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isnt focus sash ceru too frail to be on balance

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once the sash is gone it's extremely vulnerable to pretty much everything

edgy crow
worn lark
#

i do see what you meant by unhinged

edgy crow
edgy crow
tacit bluff
edgy crow
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im not a pro teambuilder

tacit bluff
#

garg and corv are primarily balance mons but then you have scarf tusk which isn't a real thing, av prim is typically on Bulky offence structures as a pivot as is raging bolt, focus sash ceruledge also does not fit the pace of this team

#

you have mons that want to make use of offensive momentum and mons that bring said offensive momentum to a halt

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and so it leaves the team a bit directionless

worn lark
#

if you really want a ghost type maybe like

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u-turn dragapult to maintain momentum

tacit bluff
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js go ghold

worn lark
#

oh fair that too

tacit bluff
#

idl pult much as a spinblocker

worn lark
#

probably the support set tho

worn lark
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the only hazards he has anyway are rocks tho

tacit bluff
#

I'd reccomend a sample since I feel like you're not quite sure what ur working towards here @edgy crow

worn lark
#

also please for the love of god change that tusk set

tacit bluff
#

if its balance your after then I'd drop tusk ceruledge and prim

worn lark
tacit bluff
#

evidently

worn lark
#

also just asking

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shouldn't you run - speed corv here

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with 0 ivs

edgy crow
worn lark
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you want the slowest u-turn possibl

worn lark
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just run booster energy tusk

tacit bluff
#

^

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tusk kinda wants all its moves

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thats why its ol reliable

edgy crow
tacit bluff
#

but also tusk's role on this team as a breaker isn't my fave

worn lark
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i mean, you lose the surprise factor, but you gain using every move

worn lark
#

tusk isnt normally a breaker

tacit bluff
#

like why scarf tusk when there's zamazenta

worn lark
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in my experience at least

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okay being fair

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without tusk he does lack speed control

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but at the same time

worn lark
edgy crow
#

alright

worn lark
#

also

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just a question

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why the boots on bolt

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(and 20 attack ivs, what does that do? never understood that one)

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like im pretty sure some smogon set tells you to run 15 attack ivs

blazing juniper
edgy crow
barren ridge
barren ridge