SV OU Rates

[azure saffron]

I'm not sure who helped me polish out this sun team but i'm 1790-ish after laddering with it for a bit (since 1650 iirc). https://pokepast.es/db53eb5db877947b
Just wanted to say thanks. (I'm not 100% on the life orb raging bolt but so far it's working)

[elder knoll]

Since Bolt is your main breaker you don’t need specs on Wake

You can go for a wise glasses set which is better at cleaning

You could then transfer Ceru over to a Venu so you then have a special spam type deal

oh and on sun you can go for weather ball Bolt you can even drop CM since you have so much raw power. oh and Tera fire bolt with weather ball hits stupidly hard.

[languid tendon]

wise glasses wake is unheard of but it sounds okay

[elder knoll]

It’s not unheard of

It’s been used in tour before

[languid tendon]

also if he's dropping cm on bolt specs wake is better

[languid tendon]

i'd run leftys bolt but if its working keep at it switch fire blast on ninetails to weather ball as misses can lose games and you only lose 10 bp power with weather ball at 130 bp before stab

with tera fire tusk i'd use temper flare over ice spinner? or sr

but i'd change tusk to another tera like poison

[elder knoll]

also LO weather ball Tera fire Bolt doesn’t need additional breaking power

Minor chip on Blissey with rocks down

secures a kill on it

252+ SpA Life Orb Protosynthesis Tera Fire Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Sun: 277-328 (42.4 - 50.3%) -- 35.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Life Orb Protosynthesis Tera Fire Raging Bolt Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Sun: 298-351 (57.9 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Bolts raw breaking power is enough to bypass most spdef guys

Cause Tera water just gets you smacked by t-bolt

[languid tendon]

bro when av glowking

bolt prefers to use cm almost every time when its not specs/scarf

and respectfully to bolt IT does need additional breaking power

its best on HO for a reason

and is venu not a breaker ? if it does not need more breakers then why would u suggest venu

contradicting your self is bad when rating

and special spam is not the best when tusk is your phys atker

tusk being the removal and phys atker in special spam is terrible imo

[hot dome]

???

bro what are you talking about lmao

[languid tendon]

continue to read .

[hot dome]

he's saying that lo tera fire bolt hits enough thresholds on its own that it doesn't need specs

[nocturne sable]

I’m not really sure what you mean by this statement because Sun is basically a type of HO

[hot dome]

special spam is fine? tusk has a good mu into all special walls anyways

sun teams usually run tusk for this reason?

[languid tendon]

im saying bolt is best used on ho with other breakers

[hot dome]

...which this team is?

[languid tendon]

.

[hot dome]

yes, and if you read a little further

[languid tendon]

suggesting venu for breaking power before then saying it does not need more breaking power

[nocturne sable]

Both walking wake and raging bolt provide the necessary breaking power

[hot dome]

venu isn't breaking power venu ius a cleaner

[languid tendon]

i was telling them wake should keep specs and not use wise glasses . then so them saying no cm bolt with wise glasses wake was good

[hot dome]

its viable, yeah

[languid tendon]

i said specs wake if no cm bolt.

[hot dome]

not a team i would personally use, but its certainly fine

[hot dome]

specs wake isn't necessary here since lo bolt already provides heavy breaking power

and thus wise glasses is better so you have freedom of move to punish switchins

[elder knoll]

yep

[hot dome]

and then pair it with venu to build a special spam core that can overwhelm most spdef cores

and kill shit

this rate is fine lol

[elder knoll]

exactly 😭

[languid tendon]

eh

i just dissagree with some of it but yea its fine

i dont like no cm bolt but ive seen it put to good work

[nocturne sable]

Bolt already has strong fire power without set up. especially under sun with proto spatk boost

[languid tendon]

wise glasses wake is another one i dont see being the best set but then again ive never seen it at use besides once where it did not shine

[hot dome]

these are certainly not orthodox sets

[languid tendon]

a unorthodox set is a wake with cb

[hot dome]

but pink is just suggesting some alt changes, since the person didn't come for a team rate anyways

[languid tendon]

i suggested for a few move changes on tailes and ceru, tusk tera

but yea i dont see glasses wake shining with tera fire bolt personally but its fine

[nocturne sable]

Raging bolt is strong enough to muscle through most checks without set up and wise glasses wakes, although losses a little power without specs, can still pick up important KOs on the likes of Ghold, gambit etc while not being choice locked

Tera fire bolt allows it to muscle past treads so it should be fine

[languid tendon]

does no investment treads not do like 50 to 252 speed bolt ?

50-60

just asking

[nocturne sable]

0 Atk Iron Treads Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Raging Bolt: 254-302 (64.9 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (254, 258, 260, 264, 266, 270, 272, 276, 278, 282, 284, 288, 290, 294, 296, 302)

Ideally you would Tera blast fire on the switch

[languid tendon]

true

[nocturne sable]

Wait I forgot weather ball is a move 😭😭😭😭

It can run that too

And just hit treads on the switch

[languid tendon]

i just assumed you were talking abt weather ball its fine

[stone sierra]

Please do not argue with the goat

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/74651029c3b33999

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

-eq user
-rillaboom
tale as old as time

[bright dock]

https://pokepast.es/0c63ffdd09cdfdad

Gonna have an SVOU match with Fangame on cart (insert TBD date here)

No different rules, no availability issues, straight up 100% raw SVOU on cart

Fangame if you look at this I will jump you (jk but I trust you not to)

[hot dome]

i see you have hands

don't

seriously though hands is just so painfully mid outside of teams built specifically aorund it

[bright dock]

Lmao noted

[hot dome]

if this is some sort of shiest cteam then ig but otherwise dont bother

[bright dock]

Nop

Don't know his paste yet either

[hot dome]

your kyurem resist seems to be gambit and then hopes and prayers

neither of which are particularly viable

[bright dock]

So change hands for a more solid kyu check?

[hot dome]

probably, i would pivot to a bulkier offense imo

(especially since lets be real here fangame is 99% loading a kyurem team)

[bright dock]

Fair point

[hot dome]

you can either go full hyper offense or bulky offense here, i just don't like the weird mix you've got right now

also you have nothing to deal with zama besides pult which will be forced to handle the dragons as well which isn't very good

[bright dock]

Been a while since I built this tier and by that I mean 6+ months

So yea this is prob flawed

(It is)

Im tempted to go BO then

[bright dock]

Between these at least

Because lets be real its just more fun to play and face both

What'd I change here then? (Or if you slide me a team that works too)

[stone sierra]

keep forgetting lol
im guessing go iron head?

[low phoenix]

earth power + steel beam works

[stone sierra]

Any other issues?

[low phoenix]

can try a bulky grassy seed gholdengo for increased longetivity vs mons like zama

or even pecharunt

nothing else

[stone sierra]

Nice

[stone sierra]

Wouldn’t speed control be an issue?

[low phoenix]

torn zama darkrai are fine

actually

you seem weak vs rai

a kingambit would be nice

[nocturne sable]

Im not sure about rilla here personally, I feel like it’s droppable but that’s just me

[low phoenix]

prob over torn since you already have rai as a np breaker

[nocturne sable]

I think he wants to build around NP torn

[low phoenix]

if youre building around gt its ok

oh

[stone sierra]

Yeah that was the plan

[low phoenix]

ok

drop rilla then

[stone sierra]

Kk

[low phoenix]

add ting lu

still make gholdengo bulky or change to pech

[stone sierra]

Recover focus blast ghold?

Im guessing I don’t want 3 nasty plot mons

[low phoenix]

Thunder wave hex Ghold seems fine

[stone sierra]

Also what’s the steel beam earth power treads set?

[low phoenix]

I think Pech is the better option tho for a more robust zama check + no steel overlap with treads

Just max spA speed with ep steel beam rapid spin rocks

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/25149cb0a4098f50 smth like this?

[magic dome]

you have no water resist

prim/wake/keld look incredible against your team

[low phoenix]

change darkrai to wogerpon then

[stone sierra]

Ye the rilla was there as a phys breaker+soft pon check

Ig pon is just objectively better at that

[low phoenix]

pech is your new wog check

[stone sierra]

4 attacks or sd?

[low phoenix]

any set works tbh

[stone sierra]

Ok max spef leech seed it is

[low phoenix]

no

[stone sierra]

[low phoenix]

thats not what i meant

[stone sierra]

I know

I’ll go sd play rough

https://pokepast.es/987bbaabcb35a7e4 this works right?

[low phoenix]

yea

u can test with different wogerpon sets

[magic dome]

idt you need steel beam on treads, you could go spinner + eq instead

it helps you remove vs spikes gliscor since you cant rly do that rn

[low phoenix]

^that too

[stone sierra]

Oh tru I forgot to switch it back after removing rilla

Ty for the reminder

[magic dome]

nws

[loud pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/5db7b78320df8deb
is this better?

[wooden linden]

Smth like that yeah

Also go jolly on gambit here

[languid tendon]

jolly gambit ?

idk

[wooden linden]

If youre using low kick you want to minimize the chance of potential other low kick gambit

[limber spear]

out speed ada kambit

[wooden linden]

Bc honestly you use low kick just for gambit

[limber spear]

cuz it’s using low sweep or smth

[languid tendon]

oh well yea low kick gambit

i would not use low kick gambit tbh

[limber spear]

the zama set seems strange

[languid tendon]

thats base zama set

[wooden linden]

Nah the zama set is fine

[limber spear]

gambit and zama loses to valiant

[wooden linden]

I would say using roar zama requires more speed

[languid tendon]

glowking and scarf rai

[wooden linden]

Glowking should be fine for val here anyways

[limber spear]

right

i just don’t like teams weak to valiant

she’s everywhere

[wooden linden]

Its not too weak here

[loud pagoda]

uhh what should i do here then

[languid tendon]

its not weak here ?

[wooden linden]

Worse case scenario you revenge kill with rai or dnite

[limber spear]

not this

there was a team which the valiant check was a pech

a speed pech

anyways i js don’t val

[languid tendon]

speed pech is worse then bold pech gotta be honest

[wooden linden]

Theyre both fine sets

You use bold specifically for stuff like wellspring

[languid tendon]

yes just bold pech is better overall imo

speed is to parting tusk

[wooden linden]

Speedy is just palatable for multiple stuff

Outspeeding bolt and dnite is pretty nice

[languid tendon]

yea

[loud pagoda]

so its a good team?

[limber spear]

overall yeah

although there isn’t a “great” team as it’s subjective

[loud pagoda]

wym?

[stone sierra]

and ohkoing ting lu at +2 iirc

[limber spear]

like it’s a great team

i was yapping ignore pls

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/4f0bc92e2be0c88e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[languid tendon]

tera bug bolt ?

rather have fairy or flying honestly

[limber spear]

ground resist

not weak to ice

like ice and ground moves r getting a lot of usage

[languid tendon]

also i'd rather have bold on prima

idk why u ran modest when bulky cm is bold

[limber spear]

oh right

miss click

thanks

[languid tendon]

no removal too

with that bolt set and tera think you should use hdb

also tera dark 252 spatk ival ?

might aswell just run tera fairy

[limber spear]

hatt is mh “removal

[limber spear]

oh yeah

[limber spear]

what’s hbd

[languid tendon]

heavy duty boots

[languid tendon]

after hatt dies your team is fucked to tspikes and spikes

[limber spear]

yeah

but like the hazard removers there

there is the donphan stuff

and a weezing

[languid tendon]

donphan ???

do NOT use donphan

[limber spear]

tusk and tread

defog works ig

tbh i might need to scrap this

[languid tendon]

gliscor lost defog

its repairable

[limber spear]

i need 3 fairy kb a team

on

[languid tendon]

kb ?

[limber spear]

cuz it seems fun

on

somehow i can’t type

[languid tendon]

hold on

[limber spear]

i want hatt and prim

val is meh

i don’t like her

[languid tendon]

okay

https://pokepast.es/5ca5bf66fa899ff5 @limber spear

not the best because im reading a book but i see that team being better

[limber spear]

oh thank you

[languid tendon]

oh yea make zor tech

you can change hatt speed to 24 if you want its just to outspeed pex and slow corv

[stone sierra]

jayk whats your elo? just curious

[languid tendon]

various accs highest rn is sadly 1659

[limber spear]

oh…

[limber spear]

have u been asking people elos

[stone sierra]

yes

[languid tendon]

may i ask whats yours ting lucifer fan

[stone sierra]

im hardstuck low ladder

why i dont give advice

[limber spear]

try stall

it’s easy to handle

that’s what bought me to 1700s

but the matches r tougher higher but surely it works on lower ladder

[stone sierra]

dislike playing it
i ask for elo bc i wanna make sure i dont get advice from bad players

not saying you two are bad

just making sure

[languid tendon]

ngl some gems are not high ladder like wildfiree

hes not over 1500 in anything last i checked but he gives pretty good advice

its his power of being unc

[stone sierra]

yes hes also a comp helper

[limber spear]

i like stuff that annoy people

like para spam

stall

i sound insane aren’t i

[languid tendon]

para spam stall ?

para spam stall is crazy

[limber spear]

para slam , stall

mb

[loud pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/938d1607e936240a is this hstack okay?

[limber spear]

seems pretty weak to g weezing

which is the best hazard remover for dealing with h stack

[loud pagoda]

what do you recommend?

i thought tera fire scizor was good enough for it

or ep lando

[limber spear]

there was no scizor?

scizor works

it’s like u don’t want weezing to come out

cuz then no way to prevent defog

so u need to pressure it consistently

but

it works

[loud pagoda]

i shoot i had JUST replaced scizor with meow

just to try

[limber spear]

oh

it’s stab and walled by weez

[loud pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/a3f146a01f003b97

[hot dome]

there's a lot more issues than just its gweezing mu (which honestly isn't that bad and idk why you highlighted it feesh)

[loud pagoda]

heres it with scizort

[hot dome]

ill get to this in the morning (its 3 am right now and i want to sleep) ping me to remind me

[loud pagoda]

yes king 🙏

[limber spear]

the best way is just to throw it into games

and see what u die to

don’t ask how i got 12 version of my stall

[loud pagoda]

i mean the hardest part is getting spikes up without getting punished turn 1

[limber spear]

do u always put h sam as lead

or nah

cuz h sam has a lot of counters in the tier with fighting and fairy types and some u turn and volt switch

[loud pagoda]

I try to as much as I can

[limber spear]

and no gliscor bulk

but i didn’t play a lot of hazard stack tho

why do i never see a person posting stall teams 😭

[low phoenix]

Prob because stall teams tend to have very similar cores

And the more “wack” stall teams tend to be made by experienced players who know what they’re doing

Also I have no clue what that thundurus is doing on your team

[limber spear]

stall break ? but he doesn’t really need one

[low phoenix]

Walled by blissey

You can slap on knock off to force blisseys item out but just use darkrai at this point

[limber spear]

perhaps it gets bolt beam and this should break stall cores

nvm av pex fucks this

[low phoenix]

Again blissey walls you completely

[limber spear]

it can chip blissey with hazard ig

and clean up late game if it has one

[low phoenix]

Darkrai

[limber spear]

maybe they like thunderus

although they seem to like dialga more

[low phoenix]

Huh

This is ou not Ubers

[stone sierra]

pinkstork 🙏

[limber spear]

like their pfp is dialga

anways

where can i get a av blissey team

[low phoenix]

Av blissey is unviable

[limber spear]

no cm

but

[low phoenix]

Like even worse than something like Gallade

[limber spear]

alo supports

ok bad idea

av dondozo

avalanche for gliscor. press for gambit

seems so nice

[stone sierra]

if you want av stall

try out pinkstorks av hoopa stall

[low phoenix]

Semi stall*

[limber spear]

wow

that is fun

[low phoenix]

I recommend only trying av dozo in very low ladder

[limber spear]

[low phoenix]

Like to goob some wins with ppl who don’t know what they’re doing anyways

[limber spear]

i can use my alt

1400 works

[stone sierra]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/hoopa-unbound-semi-stall-peak-1925-no-gliscor-or-dondozo.3762322/

[limber spear]

tysm

[languid tendon]

being weak to gweez aint the worst its a fuckin gweez

[languid tendon]

the real issue is no removal

[limber spear]

just use tusk over something

[limber spear]

but that defog the hazard

but yeah maybe weez isn’t common

[languid tendon]

gweez is ou

[limber spear]

yes

[languid tendon]

its the best remover in the game

[limber spear]

one trick pony with a will o

but can’t stop it

[languid tendon]

its not a one trick pony .?

strong fairy move defogs on almost anything and can willo gambit and friends ?

[limber spear]

it’s always here to defog

[stone sierra]

Tusk is the best

Gweeze just has a niche

And needs a team built around it

[limber spear]

in terms of removing abilities it is

[stone sierra]

It’s a very good niche

[limber spear]

tusk does more

[stone sierra]

But you can’t just slap it on a team

[stone sierra]

^

[limber spear]

u barely see weezing out of stall

[languid tendon]

tusk gets rocks spins and breaks some spdef cores

[languid tendon]

what ?

gweez is on alot of BO teams ?

gweez is on a good amount of HO too

[stone sierra]

Please stop talking

[languid tendon]

yall dont know ball .

in terms of removal gweez is the best

only removal

[limber spear]

insane arguement

let’s stop

[stone sierra]

A: #comp-general
b:you’re objectively wrong

Anyone got a team to post so the EU eaters have smth to do or?

[languid tendon]

https://pokepast.es/6a4442cbe550bc68

sure

not my team but made a few slight changes to it

it was built around garg

[echo rampart]

Weezing is used outside of stall yeah

idk wtf HO you're talking about but

he's a fine balance mon

[languid tendon]

ive seen a solid amount of HO with gweez on it as phys def backbone

and removal

[echo rampart]

okay this isn't the place for discussion like this but that is like by definition not an HO then

[wooden linden]

bump please

tusk and glowking have been working well here but i could try a little more pivoting

[nocturne sable]

The only Mon that’s popping in my head is Gliscor in this case but idk

[wooden linden]

I could opt for flip turn over sacred sword to pivot

Rai and gambit are a little scarier but it should be fine

[limber spear]

bad team no fezand

add it back

[wooden linden]

Nah fezan didnt really work tbh

[limber spear]

moral support

[wooden linden]

[limber spear]

it’s cute(?

it’s the best out of the loyal 3

or royal 3

[wooden linden]

Dogi is chill

Slightly more splashable

[limber spear]

it’s great against valiant

unless psychic or psyshock

dori the best

it’s top 3 somewhere

[nocturne sable]

Oh yea that too

Me thinks tusk and volc can still aid in gambit mu

And you can still pivot off rain with flip turn Hamurott

[median wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/0857294f67d7a67e

i did this really quickly, what destroys this team ?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Kyurem looks rough

[median wigeon]

hmm

that's true

[elder knoll]

Fairy Garg seems better than water here

[median wigeon]

probably yeah

[trail whale]

I feel like the team is trying to weirdly combine offense and defense and not compressing it in the right slots

[median wigeon]

actually i should've put knock on tusk

and probably some other tera than poison

[limber spear]

on what move tho

[median wigeon]

rocks

[limber spear]

oh

[median wigeon]

i have them on garg

[limber spear]

yeah maybe

[median wigeon]

can you elaborate please ?

[median wigeon]

what kinda kyurem are you thinking of

[limber spear]

mostly r dd

dd ice spear with smth

tera blast fire/ground /electirc

specs r mid

[elder knoll]

Sub

[trail whale]

Idk how to explain it actually
I'll sit it out and wait for another rater

[median wigeon]

sub is nasty against me yeah

[median wigeon]

it's probably the gargmolt

[limber spear]

i can guess it’s like garg is strange defensive choice

like the defensive picks r doing offense while u need your offense mon to play important defensive roles

i guess

[elder knoll]

Fairy Garg + Pon is a popular core

[gritty lake]

Wtf are u saying

[limber spear]

from a avg av crown abuser

[median wigeon]

i was thinking ghost resist + annoying mola was decent here :/

[limber spear]

mola looks nice i like it

[gritty lake]

Crown 😭

[limber spear]

av crown walls it like crazy

ep can’t do any thing while threatening a cutter

[median wigeon]

wdym

[limber spear]

i just like design

[median wigeon]

oh

lol

dropping garg is probably a good idea

[limber spear]

anyways i play stall so i am out

[gritty lake]

It's still crown yk

[limber spear]

it’s still av

[nocturne sable]

Is this team trying to be Hstack or just regular balance?

[limber spear]

i think it’s balance

only hazard is rocks

[median wigeon]

spikes

as well

from woger

[limber spear]

nvm

the water

[median wigeon]

i am trying to hstack

[gritty lake]

[limber spear]

let h stack pro guide u if there even is one

is there a stall hazard stack

is it even a thing

i would love to have one

[hot dome]

…that’s how almost all stalls work this gen?

[gritty lake]

He has a hazardless stall

[hot dome]

Well, that explains a lot

[alpine hornet]

i wouldn’t even say just this gen, even oldgen stalls that only set rocks i would say are like at least somewhat hazard stacky just due to the nature of how they’re played in my eyes

[low phoenix]

spikeless stall exists but they always have some other way to make hard progress like a regenerator mon or bulky breaker like gliscor/hydrapple

[languid tendon]

my advice is dont play stall it ruins peoples day who dont have good mu's into stall this gen (no one)

stall got worse this gen ngl

[loud pagoda]

Tusk instead of Lando?

[loud pagoda]

?

[hot dome]

you seem to be going for some kinda bo/offense style team, but you lack a lot of breaking power + rely on subpar picks like Thundy T as your knocker

[loud pagoda]

What should I do then?

[hot dome]

drop thundy t, drop scarf ghold, drop scizor
run utility darkrai with knock, Pecharunt for a fairy + wellspring check

[loud pagoda]

Oh shoot

[loud pagoda]

Do I need this too? ^

[hot dome]

?

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/d0fe61ed0c6ca2c0 did you happen to take inspiration from this pinkacross team on one of his more recent videos

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

Bruh😭

[loud pagoda]

Someone said I should use Tusk for removal

[hot dome]

well im reworking like half your team so atp tusk isn't necessary no

o tf

[stone sierra]

They literally just took the pinka team and changed some items

[hot dome]

welp

[loud pagoda]

The what

https://pokepast.es/ec048d278d1e8ee1

Like this?

[low phoenix]

add one more mon

and then we rate

[loud pagoda]

Oh shit right

Mb

[hot dome]

im ngl the fact that you have a full 6 that is bsaically the exact same as a pinka team m8

[stone sierra]

You found this team on this YouTube video https://youtu.be/QZU6YTkZZdA?si=VHohnFBnYtwZRc6P and then changed some items
It’s all the same mons

[hot dome]

is kinda insulting

just go to the pinka team, ig

[loud pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/30788e704c25ad40

[loud pagoda]

Holy shit that is the same

What

[elder knoll]

😭

[loud pagoda]

Am I stupid or smt cuz wtf

[stone sierra]

Listen
If you steal teams no one will gaf
Just don’t try and pass it off as your own

Honestly stealing someone’s team is a complement to them

[loud pagoda]

Swear I didn't know but dang that's crazy

[hot dome]

...exact same 6 with an incredibly rare thundy t mixed set

[loud pagoda]

Dude

I don't nkno

[low phoenix]

if you truly didnt know

the advice remains the same

just use that team

[loud pagoda]

Shit I might as well

[low phoenix]

like whats the point in giving advice

[loud pagoda]

Actually I'll just watch the vid

[low phoenix]

^

[stone sierra]

He mentioned in the description that it wasn’t really tested

[elder knoll]

[stone sierra]

It’s an example of a stall breaking team

So fayas advice could still be applicable

[low phoenix]

i mentioned yesterday that darkrai is a more reliable sp.attacker + knocker

because its faster and actually threatens stuff instead of being blocked by lu

[elder knoll]

Knock Thundy - T is trying to do the same thing as knock Wake

[loud pagoda]

But yeah sorry that's rly weird

[elder knoll]

[loud pagoda]

Didn't know

I just thought boltveam knock off would be good dawg

[low phoenix]

thundy t is a niche mon in itself

[hot dome]

drop it

we've given the rate

its over

[loud pagoda]

Is gambit a good lats pokemon

[low phoenix]

its generally superceded by raging bolt as an offensive electric type and darkrai as a nasty plot breaker

[loud pagoda]

Ig I'll use raging bolt instead then

[low phoenix]

sample teams are better

if you struggle to teambuild

think carefully aboout what role x mon does in your team and how it syngerizes together with the other mons in your team

[hot dome]

run boots scizor last mon with sd

[loud pagoda]

👍

Do I use uturn or cc

[hot dome]

cc

[slender chasm]

Is this the place to ask for advice teambuilding?

[hot dome]

no, #comp-general

[slender chasm]

Thank you very much

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/e9e2a46b72135768

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

no ghost resist is painful

u have a lot of flexible slots but I'd prob change enam to boost ival and make pult a wisp darkrai

[limber spear]

thinnking of replacing draga with

[echo rampart]

can do gambit > sciz too

[limber spear]

gambit

yeah right

i have t use scizor before just wanna give it a try

i just don’t like valiant overall

i detest that robot

not using that thing ever again

so yeah maybe willo darkrai

but then do i use back scizor cuz i have ghost resist

[magic dome]

i can see late game gambit being a big issue for this team, especially bc tusk is tasked with both setting and removing on this team

no ghost resist is definitely an issue too

i like the idea of a gambit swap in over scizor

[limber spear]

will it be better to use darkrai

bug and fighting is restarted by fairy and gloking

And ice beam for gliscor

[magic dome]

sorry i dont really understand what you mean

do you want to replace scizor with darkrai?

[limber spear]

uh replacing dragapult

it was about vague mb

but i lose a check to waterpon

[magic dome]

yeah, your team would have no way of checking waterpon at that point

i think the cleanest solution would be going gambit over sciz here, but i dont think this team is too bad as is if you just wanted to ladder

[limber spear]

does waterpon run knock off commonly

[magic dome]

yes pretty commonly

[limber spear]

i planning to put some ev into defense on dragapult

[magic dome]

on both sd and turn sets

[limber spear]

cuz i need to to be chipped early on

or tera grass on gloking

[eager plaza]

I made an Ambipom offense/bo(idk if bo)

(With ogerp-w+molt)
https://pokepast.es/34576c7cd652f3ab

(With scizor+gking)
https://pokepast.es/d7c4747f82430aba

I made ambipom fast, strong pivot with one shot capabilities, I chose beat-up over knock off since beat up can deal so much damage, even one shot some mons with tera dark. It uses scarf+adamant so it can outspeed dragapult, but it can also use band+jolly so it can one shot kill more pokemon, specifically ogerpon since ambipom outspeeds it, or band+adamant so it can kill base 100 speed or lower pokemon like kyurem, kanto ninetails etcetc... In my opinion, ambipom has fast, offensive pivot potential

[echo rampart]

I'm inclined to say the Moltres one is better just for the sake of Beat Up BP

but it's hard to give an honest rate without trying it myself

although the Moltres version lacks a good special wall, something like Raging Bolt is super problematic

[eager plaza]

I forgot abt raging bolt lol, should slow, spdef lando-T/zapdos work?

[echo rampart]

Landorus is probably best to use anyway for beat up

because its attack is higher

[gritty lake]

The first one is also weak to kyurem

Is there really no better move than beat up on ambipom

[echo rampart]

I'm assuming it's just a thought experiment

only reason I'm entertaining it lol

[eager plaza]

maybe knock off but beat up has more power

[eager plaza]

I could band+adamant nature on ambipom so it can kill kyu

[gritty lake]

Also this is just me but I feel like the only reason to use ambipom is fake out ngl

[gritty lake]

But you aren't switching into kyurem at all with this tho

[eager plaza]

oh

[echo rampart]

can do like scizor + lando

[limber spear]

i feel like knock off is still better

u would click stab most of the time

instead of beat up unless it’s se

[eager plaza]

should I run boots, knock off/fake out instead?

[regal ginkgo]

Aipom (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Run Away | 1: Pickup | H: Skill Link

Base Stats (BST: 360)

55 / 70 / 55 / 40 / 55 / 85

Weight

11.5 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[gritty lake]

Sob

[regal ginkgo]

Ambipom (Gen 9)

Typing

Normal

Abilities

0: Technician | 1: Pickup | H: Skill Link

Base Stats (BST: 482)

75 / 100 / 66 / 60 / 66 / 115

Weight

20.3 kg (40 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[limber spear]

uh 115 isn’t that bad

u can go non scarf

[gritty lake]

On the first one?

[echo rampart]

yeah

I don't think you need Moltres either

[limber spear]

u don’t out speed val after scarf anyways

[echo rampart]

since Scizor checks Kyurem anyway

[limber spear]

regarding kyurem is it dd or specs

[echo rampart]

it checks Kyurem

[limber spear]

overall?

[echo rampart]

yeah

unless it's like

Fire terablast

[limber spear]

yeah if it’s ice fire then tera ogerpon

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/cf2b7569fec2750a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever berry]

Having a blast with this one

[echo rampart]

have you tried tera dragon on bolt

rlly helps in ting lu MU

[clever berry]

H Stack + Draco is potent already

But yeah

Worth trying

[limber spear]

just asking

why is u turn over spikes on gliscor

like whaf match up does it escape from

[echo rampart]

there's a samurott

[clever berry]

Coz I already have Samurott

[limber spear]

oh

right i blind 😭

[trail whale]

Hamurott is providing spikes, you'll appreciate any pivot to get Bolt in safely

[limber spear]

mb

[echo rampart]

u-turn just gets in raging bolt to click buttons

[limber spear]

i didn’t saw the picture of h sam

[clever berry]

This
Also Scarf Samu provides so much free entry to Bolt

[echo rampart]

scarf flip turn is cool

[clever berry]

They gotta update that shit

[echo rampart]

scarf on samu makes me worried about ur ghold matchup but depending on the set ghold is scary vs any team lmao

plot pecharunt is also annoying though

[clever berry]

Btw, Specs Modest Kyurem is also doable over Bolt here

[trail whale]

I want to say team looks fine, demands a pretty aggressive playstyle imo since main counterplay to stuff is "kill them before they get to do anything"

[clever berry]

Just trades hazard issues with better speed tier and more spammable STAB

[echo rampart]

bolt is more flexible in the builder but kyurem is probably better for the bulky ghosts

could do like

cinderace > gliscor and specs kyurem

[clever berry]

Kyurem needs less predicts

But Bolt has better defensive profile

And priority

[trail whale]

I might do like AV Hrott if you already have Booster Val but atp it's a preference thing

[clever berry]

Bolt's Dracos are steriods

[limber spear]

a very farfetched question but what if it’s ice punch moon blast valiant

[clever berry]

OHKOes Gliscor

[clever berry]

I like Speed control outside of Booster Valiant
Coz what if I have to switch out

[echo rampart]

tbf Sucker Punch is usually good enough

especially if u go with cinder > glisc

[trail whale]

You do have Specs Tclap Bolt in a worst case scenario
And Sucker when you go AV

[clever berry]

I prefer AV > Scarf on H-Samu usually though

I don't like it choice locked as much as it switching into Gholdengo

[echo rampart]

https://pokepast.es/8c2f8f1d33f0e874

[limber spear]

does h sam have bulk

[echo rampart]

i feel like i just created a pre-existing team

[limber spear]

i never preserve it for late game

[echo rampart]

this isn't the place for questions or theorymonning

[limber spear]

oh right

https://pokepast.es/bb20ed45e4a1bde8 tbh i feel like adding more defense into dragapult

[echo rampart]

whats that spread do

[limber spear]

i need to make a enam hit water pon

i lack a good waterpon answer

besides dnite

it’s jsut some random numbers if u r wondering

if i am not wrong it takes 2 knock off

from oger

[echo rampart]

wow '-'

u could try hydrapple somewhere he's a good check

until play rough.

[limber spear]

smart

but i like pult

with hex

like it’s the design choice

this isn’t too off topic right?

[echo rampart]

u posted a team :P

[limber spear]

what hydrapple would work here

[echo rampart]

just the phys def plot sets

[limber spear]

i don’t rlly want a plot

[trail whale]

I think you should just do DDnite on this
Or even making the Pult Specs

Boots Pult doesn't seem to fit the pace of the team

[limber spear]

prima is enough i can’t manage that much set up

[echo rampart]

fair, but hydra p much only uses plot

[limber spear]

cuz the original team was a tripple fairy by someone else

[clever berry]

Stall eats this up

No wallbreaker

[limber spear]

yeah the double fairy is what i want only here

with prima

[clever berry]

Encore with Specs Bolt is crazy in late game
Imagine Valiant using Encore to lock up something into an attack - then no T Clap mindgames

[limber spear]

yeah ig

i trying to make a prima bo

with waterpon

cuz it seems to be a very nice thing

[trail whale]

Being completely honest I don't think CM Prim is very good on BO

[tacit bluff]

its fine if paired with strong speed control

or anti offence mons

[limber spear]

i saw the ho set on smogon page

and i don’t rlly like it

sometimes it provide a very great win con but only sometimes

[trail whale]

It feels quite underwhelming as a wincon and would benefit from having other wincons alongside it, smth Offense can provide really well

[limber spear]

so it’s a ho only mon?

[trail whale]

Ho/Offense* mon imo

[limber spear]

what 😭

i rlly like bulky trans

teams

auto correct do smth right pls

[clever berry]

Yeah, Specs Valiant helps more than Prim on your team

Or alternatively
Specs Enam and Booster Valiant

[limber spear]

the point is that i want to play with mobs i like

i failed thrice

clodsire scream tail and quagsire

[clever berry]

Prime Pult is the best team for CM Prim i think

[limber spear]

that’s what really drives me to make a team with the things i like

bht it doesn’t work yk

[clever berry]

Else AV Prim fits BO better

[limber spear]

av is fine

i just wanna just prima

idm sets

[clever berry]

Clod and Quag can be used on stall

[limber spear]

but i can’t do it i suck

[clever berry]

Scream Tail I doubt
Hatterene does almost everything bulky better
Valiant does Fast Encore better

[tacit bluff]

scream tail is like

ass

unfort

its ranked so it has a niche but I don't remember what said niche is

[trail whale]

AV and Boots pivot work

[clever berry]

As per website, its set is :

Scream Tail @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Timid Nature

• Dazzling Gleam
• Encore
• Wish
• Protect

Meh

Except Wish, Valiant does that so much better

Wish is weird on a Booster set as well

Just use Alomomola for Wish

[limber spear]

that’s what i used but t wave over encore

[clever berry]

Valiant gets TWave

[limber spear]

it’s not scream tail

[clever berry]

Actually lets talk about this in #comp-general-2

[limber spear]

right

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/53a43dacc04b605d btw

[limber spear]

am i allowed to yap here

such as its great bc there is rillaboomand stuff

[clever berry]

Would Tusk be better here than Zama as you are very Hazard weak?

[tacit bluff]

I think ace is fine

[trail whale]

Taunt Lando + Ace surely does it

[clever berry]

Ah shit

Nvm

[trail whale]

Esp since there isn't like a Kyurem that really hates hazards

[tacit bluff]

idk how I feel about that darkrai set I usually just prefer boots but ig with g terrain recovery and lefties stacking its fine

two attacks is a choice tho

[trail whale]

Da wisper

[wooden linden]

Val could be prob add like

Psyshock over encore

Cuz tbh stall is a bit scary to fight

Also prob smth for gliscor

[trail whale]

Zama supposed to be roar btw

Over Sedge

Cuz other Zama kinda

[limber spear]

the first team that i made under 15 minutes https://pokepast.es/b2dc8d27668b000b

[wooden linden]

Sub zama

Well

Tbh thats not a bad idea

[trail whale]

It could be smth for Scor

[limber spear]

pivot spam sort of
idk what’s the best oger set here

grass knot on lando for tusk

[wooden linden]

Yeah sub zama eats scor alive

Tbh opposing zama isnt the worst thing anyways

[stable gale]

not an expert but it's is weak to Freeze-Dry, commonly used by Ninetales-Alola , Kyurem

[nocturne sable]

Yea you’re not wrong this team kinda gets 6/0ed by kyurem

[stable gale]

and doesn't have either good defence sw

[nocturne sable]

What’s the point of running grass knot Lando if you’re already Tera blast flying to hit the likes of tusk, etc

[limber spear]

uh i switched the set

it’s tera water and stone edge now

i didn’t update it sorry

how do i fix the freeze try problem

do i add a steel type

or fire type

[stable gale]

i think remove Landorus-Therian

[limber spear]

but i need a speed control and a flying type

only lando fits that

[stable gale]

ur team is weak to zama

remove landorus for Dragapult

[limber spear]

i want a flying type tho

woger is bad for ground resist

i can just tera prima for freeze dry cases then ig

there is not much counterplay

av crown works but i like prima

[stable gale]

1st which kind of play style u want to build

[limber spear]

more defensive stuff

fat teams

[nocturne sable]

^ yea I think it’s important to know what kind of style you want to implement rather than just mash six mons together

[limber spear]

i previously play stall but wanted some dinner teams

dinner

more fun

[stable gale]

fun is subjective'

i didn't get is what play style you are looking for

[limber spear]

bulky offense ig

even semi stall works but i never had a lot of experience with it

[stable gale]

any sample team caught ur eye ?

[limber spear]

nope

i looked through all of them

i waiting for a new shift ig

the main one i want to use is prima

and woger

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/40b6bff80a7d28e3?

[limber spear]

used that before

i failed

[stable gale]

kk what didn't u like in this team

[limber spear]

the team was slow

[stable gale]

try ho

[limber spear]

hopefully

[stable gale]

hyper offence

[limber spear]

idk what ho works fine

webs is boring

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/4f2aebeb2ab64f85

[gritty lake]

What is going on here

[limber spear]

well the sad thing is that

i want to use mons i want to use

i am kinda satisfied with my elo (therefore i dont rlly mind strong or weak teams)

just decent is fine

do i tell the story again? like i used scream tail , clodsire stall , quagsire stall and all ended up badly

[stable gale]

then try out ur original team

[limber spear]

the modified version of clodsire stall was the main one i used to climb

tbh what would be come requirements for a bulky offense team

i can just follow it and make my own one ig that would work better

and ask for better finishing touches

nonetheless i gotta sleep ping me so i will remember that thing tmr

thanks

[stable gale]

Sorry,I was not good enough

[nocturne sable]

If you are trying to build a fat bulky offense team then this is not it.

Scarf Lando doesn’t fit here, and if you wanted a flying type on a BO team you would opt for mons like Gliscor, Moltres, Dnite, Zapdos, etc.

Frankly, this team has zero breaking power and just looks like an awkward mash of defensive Pokémon mixed together

I would make prim sub calm mind if you want to go the BO route and build around prima.

I would also make iron treads>>>great tusk for a better MU into raging bolt

For a flying type I would add moltres here personally as it would help with the kingambit match up and give is Tera grass to help with Waterpon.

Waterpon here is fine as it helps with opposing water MUs. 4 attacks or utility like spikes, synthesis, etc can work here

For the last two slots I would add Zamazenta and slowking galar as glowking aids with the specs kyurem match up as well as assist vs water types and fairy’s and zama can act as speed control and cover vs Waterpon and DD Kyurem.

Glowking I would just make regular boots pivot and zama can be either Id or boots imo

If you want to optimize roll compressions for rocks, removal, etc Pokémon like garganagl and Tinkaton can also be considered for the rock roll and both can aid in kyurem MU

[hot dome]

Dropping treads means you get 6-0ed by bolt, I would not

[nocturne sable]

?

[random vault]

The msg says to add tusk

I mean treass

Over tusk

Not drop it

But I see how it reads that way

[hot dome]

Ic

[nocturne sable]

Yea I think the >>> confuses ppl a little

Prob should clarify a bit more

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/0f9a0ef29b38c74a
this should work out here

@nocturne sable could you check it over real quick

[nocturne sable]

This is more or less how I envisioned the team

But I think the person said they wanted to build around primarina hence why I suggested bulky sub cm

[wooden linden]

you could add the prim somewhere

problem is that you either are pretty slow or cant handle smth like cinderace

[nocturne sable]

Btw me think ice fang>>heavy slam for Gliscor

[wooden linden]

gliscor should be fine enough

spinner + cudgel can chunk it pretty well

plus ice fang is pretty weak

[nocturne sable]

Hmm fair enough

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/7f3379d93c35c366

[hot dome]

where kyurem check

[low phoenix]

trying to build a hazard stack that has tech vs hazard control

oh

remind me what are the kyu checks in ou?

[hot dome]

bruh

[low phoenix]

just say it

so i can see what to choose from

[hot dome]

gking, crown, offensively scizor, tink

[magic dome]

faya already responded but if youre on ps rn, you can just do /rfaq (ou pokemon) in OU room to see a list of checks/items/moves/teras

[low phoenix]

ive been playing showdown for over a year

and just now i found out this feature exists

[magic dome]

skymin made it a few months ago dw

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/db563ed501fdc622

ok what about now

[magic dome]

this looks better, but gliscor seems like a pretty big threat ngl

torn can beat gliscor but you'll have to scout for toxic and tera steel to get the kill

i also personally prefer boots > av samu, especially on boots spam

the bulk you gain from av is offset by the chip you take from hazards, especially in longer games which this team will trend towards

[low phoenix]

i made this team in 5 minutes while having family guy funny moments playing in the background

but on a serious note

i can prob try experimenting with keldeo tera steel latios/hydriegon rotom wash

for the scor matchup

darkrai wogerpon corv tusk the traditional scor checks i dont think i can fit

my main goal with this team is to have a positive matchup against traditional hazadrd removal like hatterene tusk treads etc

but yea upon thinking about my team more seriously i agree

[nocturne sable]

Off topic but Can a team of these 6 actually work somehow lol

Prob not ground weakness goes brazy

[hot dome]

this isn't the chat for this

[nocturne sable]

True

[compact saddle]

This is so useful wtf

[limber spear]

tysm that was so clear

[languid tendon]

"thank you for explaining this video i understood it so well" the video -

[limber spear]

[thin rose]

https://pokepast.es/6c3d24c66febdf78 is this decent for SD Val offense?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/a58f6dfc3c147df1

[low phoenix]

that ogerpon set looks off

also you have nothing to pivot ogerpon in

also no hazards in a stall team

[magic dome]

theres a few things going on here that immediately come to mind

• you have no grounds immunity
• you have both rocks and spin on tusk, on a team with specs kyurem which appreciates sturdier hazard removal
• you're using 4 attack waterpon (which isnt great)

[limber spear]

it’s a gimmick team 😭

is it 1500able cuz it seem ok

[low phoenix]

we dont help with gimmick teams

you can theoretically get to 1500s with any team so doesnt mean much tbh

[limber spear]

oh ok

thanks

[thin rose]

Well I agree here maybe Corv fog > Gambit then Offensive rocks tusk?

But mmy problem is specs pult

I don't have any good sball switch

[magic dome]

how about gambit -> ting lu with rocks

keep spin on tusk and add knock > rocks

[thin rose]

Am I fine against opposing specs kyurem if I remove gambit?

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/afb37ad8d618fcd0 a more real one here with bulky woger

[thin rose]

idk if Glowking can manage

[stone sierra]

Life orb tor-
i need to stop building around that set

[magic dome]

vs kyurem you would scout with gking and tera water if necessary

[thin rose]

Tornadus HAHAHA

[magic dome]

but generally the gameplay vs specs kyurem isnt "beat it defensively"

its positioning your offensive guys and keeping hazards up

[thin rose]

Well I agree but I really don't like that playstyle lol

[low phoenix]

what are the evs for?

[thin rose]

Anyways I'll try

[low phoenix]

on wogerpon

a wogerpon semi stall surely sounds interesting

[limber spear]

uh the speed is 307 over lando

others r random number

[thin rose]

Welp this is offense why am I playing like Bulky Offense lol

[magic dome]

it might also be nice to run a waterpon set with uturn

[limber spear]

oh wait i forgot to invest in attack

[thin rose]

Still 4a?

Drop playrough ig

[low phoenix]

i think you should slot in stealth rock too

no stealth rock means the birds just pivots across your mons all day

[limber spear]

so spikes oger?

[thin rose]

https://pokepast.es/c2dcaa3fdf7df273

[low phoenix]

you can probably try that

[thin rose]

This fine ig

[limber spear]

but then what attacking moves

ivy with horn or knock

u turn meh id need

[low phoenix]

ivy knock spikes whatever move you want

[limber spear]

synthesis ig

[low phoenix]

yea synthesis

works

[limber spear]

do i turn u turn on corv

run

[low phoenix]

u turn over iron defense

[limber spear]

cuz oger seems hard to switch in

yeah

[magic dome]

https://pokepast.es/6e714bbc980bce02 @thin rose

[low phoenix]

iron defense isnt necessary on bb corv

[magic dome]

this is what i had in mind

if you prefer power whip > spikes then you can make that adjustment

lu can be rocks/spikes depending

[thin rose]

Ohhh still a utility tusk ye ye

Thanks for the help!

[magic dome]

yes ofc

[wooden linden]

ngl

i'd put synthesis over spikes here

[thin rose]

Wait wait btw, give me example of positioning my mons against kyurem

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/4bc2a8e957869d81

[magic dome]

sure lemme pull up a replay

[thin rose]

My only slow pivot mon is glowking though and I don't wanna give it snow

[thin rose]

Thanks

[gritty lake]

Looks good?

[wooden linden]

ghold needs to be changed here honestly

theres not much use for recover

[limber spear]

ghold can’t hit gambit

and no strong stab option

[gritty lake]

The idea was ghold+oger crushing HOs worst mu

[wooden linden]

i mean they already do that here

if you really wanna go crazy

metal coat tera steel

[gritty lake]

That's overkill

[wooden linden]

and psyshock isnt?

[low phoenix]

but additional coverage ghold works on more offensive teams too

[gritty lake]

Forcing blissey to burn tera

[low phoenix]

i think recovery ghold is good on any team

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/7ba66299c49479f7 is volc out of place here?

[wooden linden]

the team is fine vs stall so not much of a point

[thin rose]

Someone ponged me here lol

[wooden linden]

wellspring and ghold basically invalidate it

[gritty lake]

I've seen this team with garchomp ngl

[gritty lake]

So what do I change psyshock for

Fblast

?

[wooden linden]

make it rain

[stone sierra]

Ngl I’ve been remaking the team over a couple days

[wooden linden]

the team cant really hit fairies well

[gritty lake]

Aight

[stone sierra]

Just realized that applies to my team as well

Should prolly go heavy slam zam

[wooden linden]

nah your team is fine