SV OU Rates

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gritty lake]

Fidough 😭

[hot dome]

Dachsbun wtv point still stands

[magic dome]

ill teach you a trick about evs and natures. evs are additive, meaning every 4 evs = around 1 extra stat point in the stat where theyre allocated. natures are multiplicative, increasing the boosted stat by 10%. this means you can save evs by giving your kingambit an adamant nature and moving some evs to speed, to make up for it. at the bottom of this screenshot, showdown recommends you do that too

you do the same thing with your ursaluna as well

https://pokepast.es/22824df8046423cc is probably something closer to what i would use, sharing the same idea as your old build with luna, gambit, garg, and a fast ghost type

garg teams generally like having removal, but luna kinda makes it hard to run a dedicated remover like treads or tusk

this team does have issues with bolt so tera fairy luna is an option here

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/a366228ece9c403d chat thoughts on this?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I prolly need a ghost type bad

[empty verge]

I think Latios is pretty disposable

[nocturne sable]

Also realized zama has roar

Suppose to have heavy slam since Hatt MU kinda rough

[floral lintel]

Hello, i’m looking for a strong stall team, does anyone know a great team ? Thanks 🙂

[hot dome]

this isn't the channel to ask for teams, ask in #comp-general

[floral lintel]

Sorry ! ^^

[proud stratus]

Use weavile with boots

And shards

[nocturne sable]

Ik losing on ice shard is a miss but taunt is interesting to test with

With Tera poison it can set up on checks like gweez,corv etc and pads allow to bypass helmet, + the birds

[dark rock]

Hello, first time here! Here's my grassy terrain team!: https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1181640

[final relic]

rocks > flash cannon since you have no hazards otherwise

(and flash cannon isnt good)

[dark rock]

ah ok!

[final relic]

i see the idea with arboliva but it is a very bad pokemon in ou

and generally rilla wants uturn over drain punch

[dark rock]

now that i think about it i havent even been able to use drain punch ina while, thanks!

[final relic]

hawlucha can also have some evs in hp because its faster than the whole tier anyway with unburden active

[dark rock]

oh snap your right

also on that arboliva note, would you say it would falter at higher levels of play? (I am around 1300s rating if i can recall)

I keep on forgetting how fast unburden really is

[final relic]

yeah arboliva doesnt really do anything in ou if that's your question

[dark rock]

just wanted to make sure because ive been able to get some good stall and wall with it rn

[trail whale]

It would yeah, you'd gain a lot more value out of something like Zamazenta, makes it harder for Kingambit to clean up the whole end game and is a strong sweeper itself

[dark rock]

oh thanks! I do think it would be better if it also had sweeping potential like zamzenta

[hot dome]

The issue with Arboliva is that it’s typing is ass, it’s incredibly slow, isn’t very strong, its ability is just worse grassy surge, and its walled too easily by many mons gterrain naturally struggles against

[dark rock]

that reminds, me, do any of y'all know any alternative grassy terrain setters out there other than rillaboom in sv?

also ona side note thanks for all y'alls help, really appreciated!

Just tried out the new team with updates and zamzenta, its already sweeping!!!

[frozen spoke]

Arboliva is the only other one as far as I know

But it's ability is worse because it requires taking a hit before it can set grassy terrain

[dark rock]

Oh that remind me, rip tapu bulu

Also thanks!

[frozen spoke]

np :D

Yeah Tapu Bulu actually jumped off a cliff

UU in gen 8

RU in natdex OU (it could drop lower if natdex officially had lower tiers)

[dark rock]

Oh I didn’t even know that

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/bf5d6ce91df166af made a hail team with av kyurem, thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

i feel like its too weak to tera fairy gambit but havent tested it yet

[low phoenix]

kyu should be dragon dance

if youre veils you must take advantage of the increased bulk to offensively pressure

[stone sierra]

ic

[low phoenix]

hattt can be useful somewhere

greatly annoy hazard stacking teams

[trail whale]

Run Booster and Tera Ice Ice Spinner on Tusk over Knock Off

[low phoenix]

^

[trail whale]

At a glance the team is trying to add a bit too much defensive utility for a hyper offensive team

[low phoenix]

also i think dragonite can be another sweeper like moth ceruledge blaziken etc

all take advantage of veils well

[stone sierra]

oh i thought id need a flier

[low phoenix]

veils is an incredibly aggressive playstyle

you dont necessarily care for defensive utility

[stone sierra]

ic
i thought kyurem in snow+veils would be a good idea bc it would be so bulky+have borderline perfect coverage

[low phoenix]

you need to offensively threaten over 8 turns too

you have 8 turns to overwhelm your opponent before you must set veils again with atales

[stone sierra]

maybe gambit, then replace sammu with hatt?

so i keep my ghost resist and get hatt

[low phoenix]

makes sense

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/1860d449d887acd4 smth like this?

[wooden linden]

Id go tera elec for kyu here

Ice electric coverage is neutral to everything in the tier iirc

Also prob a different tera for tusk too

Ice or fire im thinking of

[stone sierra]

oop i used the preset

i tend to go electric

[magic dome]

i think if you want to utilize the snow defense boost with av kyurem, it would better fit on a glowking structure

its already been said but veil teams function most effectively with boost sweepers. dd kyurem can utilize the defense boost to get more dds

[trail whale]

This team looks good btw, could try a different Dragonite set since both it and Latios will feel like they really want Tera in games.

Ghold is better off as Balloon here. You don't want your spinblocker getting destroyed by hazards since you don't have hazard removal. Zamazenta + double Sucker Punch should be sufficient enough speed control

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/8f861bb16ba1df07 does 252 hp dnite work here

tried dd kyurem and weak to rocks and takes neutral from fire was the huge problem

[worn lark]

heya i'm back with a slightly less shit team what'do y'all think (read the team name)

https://pokepast.es/702ea21488d9306d

(alolomola gets 2 hit by booster attack great tusk's headlong rush unfortunately)

[gritty lake]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[worn lark]

i've seen those

[worn lark]

thinking of switching to air baloon great tusk

[limber spear]

try corv/physically defensive alo

252+ Atk Protosynthesis Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 235-277 (44 - 51.8%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO

[worn lark]

wait

how did i take 77%

[limber spear]

your alo was spdef

[worn lark]

oh yeah

right

i did max hp cause wish but both defenses probably better

[worn lark]

thanks

[limber spear]

uh just asking is will o on ceru for gambit or waterpon

cuz that stab gets wall my garg

[worn lark]

oh, forgot he existed

it was on there for just like
opposing physical attackers in general

ceru doesn't actually get any good anti-garg coverage moves anyway...

[limber spear]

tera fairy tera blast is the most common as it also resists sucker punch

[worn lark]

ohhh

tera blasst

k

[limber spear]

sort of asking only cuz i wanna learn , how do u deal with waterpon

perhaps drop a draco works but doesn’t ohko a teraed one

[worn lark]

i'm a 1400

at best

[limber spear]

that’s isn’t bad

[worn lark]

my team kind of

doesn't

well

[limber spear]

uh what are u planning to build

[worn lark]

it can but it's a guessing game of if it will click sd or horn leech or ivy cudgel

[worn lark]

sort of an in between of an offense and a bulky offense ig

i wanted to try a wish passer

[worn lark]

wait

[limber spear]

i guess wish pass bulky offense works

[worn lark]

it DOES get close combat

[limber spear]

yeah right

forgot 😭

[worn lark]

okay changed that set

luckily i haven't encountered a garg yet

[limber spear]

Also

[worn lark]

yeah, im a lil bad at it though because i'm used to playing a semi-HO

[limber spear]

missing 4 points on wake

ev

[worn lark]

what

[limber spear]

4 ev points

[worn lark]

no

i used them all

[limber spear]

i am the exact opposite

[worn lark]

oh lol

[limber spear]

it’s valiant

sorry

[worn lark]

oh

oh wait i see now

i should also change the nature to - attack

forgot that when i made it cm instead of some weird set i made

i guess 4 evs doesnt change ANY interaction so ill put them in hp

just cause

actually no def

(sorry am i talking too much?...)

[limber spear]

mostly put them in defense due to some insane physical priorities in game

[worn lark]

yeah k

[limber spear]

like espeed from dnite sucker or snadow sneak

[worn lark]

i did end up puttin into def

[worn lark]

yeah

[limber spear]

yeah i do that for most stuff

why not try with some snow teams

i think u like ice type

aurora vail or gloking specs kyurem are great

[worn lark]

i used to use an aurora veil team with a.ninetails lol

[worn lark]

havent tried kyurem yet, might tho

[limber spear]

i think there is a pokeaim team about it

should work i guess

but that was a long time ago

glowking kyurem zama and gambit should make a core?

[worn lark]

k

[limber spear]

what is rain world it seems to be a fun game

[worn lark]

indie made by videocult

it's my favourite game in existence

you play as funny squishy slugcat guy

is

this person using specially defensive zama?

[limber spear]

how do u download it(it’s off topic some mods will appear later trust me )

[worn lark]

steam

[limber spear]

who? it isn’t a great set

[limber spear]

ooo

||what type of game is it ||

[worn lark]

2d platformer / survival / exploration

dont expect an easy game

[worn lark]

it took 40% from tera electric 252 iron valian

[limber spear]

that thing wouldn’t do much i think

[limber spear]

does it have story or a great lore

i love games with deep lores

more on story type tho

[worn lark]

yes but without spoilering too much you probably wont be talking to people a lot

[limber spear]

seems fun 😭

[worn lark]

and yes it has deep lore but much of it is behind a pretty grueling grind for stuff scattered around the entire map

[limber spear]

is there battling

like turn base or stuff

[worn lark]

uhhhhhhhhh

well

what type of combat is your favourite

[limber spear]

that’s a no? i assume

[worn lark]

rain world's combat falls into three categories

[limber spear]

not smth that requires a ton of reaction

i wonder when will the discord mods kick us out of this conversation.

[worn lark]

'you vs this one random creature'
'you and this really strong enemy you gotta avoid'
and
'RANDOM AND UTTER BULLSHIT'

[worn lark]

let's go to dms before we get timedout

[limber spear]

they don’t time out

they will redirect u

[worn lark]

fair

[limber spear]

like indeedee

[worn lark]

i dont play vgc is this about folow me

[limber spear]

yes

redirection

there r also like rage powder and stuff

[worn lark]

mmm

[limber spear]

bad joke 😦

[worn lark]

amoongus

[limber spear]

smea**le

i should make a smeagle ho team

[worn lark]

i*ciner**r

[limber spear]

rllabom

uh

indiddy

[worn lark]

NO

wha

waht

what

[limber spear]

urshifu

indeedee but male

[worn lark]

you're shit n fucked = ur shi fu

[limber spear]

unseen fist

i like how unseen fist carries urshifu so hard

[worn lark]

fun fact ursaluna and urshifu are both physically attacking unstoppabe monsters with a bst of 550 and are bears that both bypass some game mechanic

[limber spear]

what does ursa bypass

[worn lark]

status

[limber spear]

bloodsaluna is better

[worn lark]

cause you'd always run flame orb on it so you cant get statused

[worn lark]

oh right vgc

[limber spear]

gliscor 😦

[limber spear]

bloodsa is also better in singles it is in ubers

unlike his brother who is in uh

[worn lark]

why did it block my vencord emote

[regal ginkgo]

Ursaluna (Gen 9)

Typing

Ground / Normal

Abilities

0: Guts | 1: Bulletproof | H: Unnerve

Base Stats (BST: 550)

130 / 140 / 105 / 45 / 80 / 50

Weight

290 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[worn lark]

uubl i think

[limber spear]

oh

what’s does bl stand for

i used to believe it’s ban list

but that is wrong

boarder line?

[worn lark]

yeah

i think

[limber spear]

where is my ou by technicality

[worn lark]

yeah

[gritty lake]

Use them

[limber spear]

ngl sample teams are not dumb

[worn lark]

yeah

[limber spear]

anyways

auto correct freak u

[worn lark]

REA

[limber spear]

i only truly enjoyed one sample teams

just don’t use sample teams they r great and sort of straight forward but u r playing a game for fun so

[worn lark]

why is the key broken

first it was t and now the etter that ooks ike 1 when owercase

nevermind l key decided to start working again

[worn lark]

yeah

[limber spear]

that’s why we play stall

to annoying the fuck out of those ppl

annoy*

[worn lark]

i censorced stall and it still blocked me

that's how bad the archetype is /j

sorry

i'm just bad at fighting stall

[limber spear]

depends on the stall tho

[worn lark]

yeah

[limber spear]

double defog is a bit annoying

[worn lark]

as pinkacross said 'there's a team for every stall, but a stall for every team'

[limber spear]

unless u r able to pressure a make it rain on weezing consistently

pinkacross mentioned

[worn lark]

my favourite showdown youtuber mentioned

[limber spear]

what if recovery moves are 16 pp like it was

how fun would that be

[worn lark]

no.

[limber spear]

i am even struggling to burn all 8 pps

[worn lark]

make protect an 8 pp move

please

[limber spear]

gliscor hate🔥

[worn lark]

hear me out

why can it tank nearly every non-stab ice move

this applies to lando-t too

why

is

it

so

bulky

IT'S A 4X SUPER EFFECTIVE

[limber spear]

hidden gem

fuck it with choice band ice lunch valiant

it ohkos i think

[worn lark]

doesnt specs ice beam darkarai or dd/specs freeze dry/icicle crash/icicle spear/ice beam kyurem work

[limber spear]

uh

it does

[worn lark]

also
check dms please :D

[worn lark]

yeah

the bulk + insane ability + item that directly triggers than ability combo is insane though

[limber spear]

it had roost before

imagine with that shit move

how r u suppose to break it

[limber spear]

it’s typing caused every thing to being a ice coverage

[worn lark]

you dont

or

corv can i guess

but its less breaking and more pp stalling since the only attacking move it usually runs is eq

[limber spear]

just delete that scorpion

[hot dome]

Hey, please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

[hot dome]

This team is split between three identities: a HO team with Ceruledge and Treads, a Balance/BO core with Mola and crown, Valiant can kinda fit with both, but then Wake is completely out of place here. You need to pick a style and stick with it: either dedicate to the HO core, or pivot to BO. This weird split between them means your HO team doesn’t have the firepower to wear down the walls that will hinder your sweep, while your BO core doesn’t have reliable offensive and defensive teammates to beat your opponent. Also, Specs Wake shouldn’t be here at all, as that set only fits on Sun teams.

I would still recommend you use a sample to learn the tier first: it’s clear you don’t have a good grasp of the metagame, and trying to build without it is going to be an incredibly difficult challenge

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[worn lark]

Hey i mean they were just trying to be nice

[hot dome]

It clogs the channel and giving bad advice is worse than no advice

[worn lark]

I’ve been playing for a little while mostly just to have fun, i’ve tried a few sample teams and a few ones like a dragonite HO i once used

[worn lark]

Fair enough i suppose

[worn lark]

I picked wake because i was really lacking in breaking power and my team was very weak to rain and water types in general

[hot dome]

Wake still doesn’t fit

It’s relatively slow, lacks power out of sun, and is outclassed by better breakers

Like I said, it seems you don’t have a good grasp of the metagame yet, which is fine, but I would recommend using a sample team for a bit to learn the common structures/cores used first

You can also read their respective analyses on smogdex

[worn lark]

348 base speed?
And i’m running scald so sun thing doesn’t matter anyway
But i guess it is outclassed by other immediate power mons

[worn lark]

k

[worn lark]

I mean, fair… I think the main problem is i just wanted to have fun and therefore didnt put TOO much thought into what i was even making, like, the first iteration of this team had SYLVEON

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/624946dcf2205a2d hope im not intruding on feedback too much

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

Yes, it’s slow when you’re outsped by Wellspring, Darkrai, Zamazenta, Valiant, etc

[tacit bluff]

350 is kinda the benchmark

[worn lark]

I’ve noticed…

[worn lark]

Nah its fine

[magic dome]

this team looks really clunky to use. you have two av mons and two choiced mons, with a huge hazard weakness, no removal, and no hazards of your own. you also have no ground type and outside of scarf ghold, which needs trick to stop you from losing on the spot to sweepers like dnite, your team is really slow

late-game kingambit also looks really tough for this team, so does bolt and any glimm team

[worn lark]

Oh yeah btw i’ve noticed that i have very little waterpon or zama counterplay

I should probably start from scratch and build a more traditional balance

[hot dome]

Didn’t you send an av Kyurem team here a day or two ago and the biggest piece of feedback was more hazard removal

[stone sierra]

That was because I was running 2 very hazardous weak mons, volc had specs instead of boots

[magic dome]

you have a thundurus t

with specs

[stone sierra]

Oh right

[hot dome]

…so now you’ve replaced that with another hazard weak mon

[stone sierra]

Yeah I just noticed

[hot dome]

And then removed your own hazard removal

[tacit bluff]

yeah thundy can't function without hazard control

[stone sierra]

So hatt to tusk and thundy to a better flier?

[tacit bluff]

also not a fan of specs thundy in general

[tacit bluff]

there's a couple more issues tbh but yeah thats a start

ting lu mauls you

[magic dome]

how attached are you to using av kyurem

would you be willing to remove it?

[tacit bluff]

aside from volcanion everything has to fear it

your only counterplay is said volcanion and maybe managing to land a trick with gholdengo

[magic dome]

also change gambits tera type to ghost

[stone sierra]

It was what I was trying to build around here tbh

[tacit bluff]

my question is why tho

it feels too weak icl

like outside of draco thats not rly any sizeable burst damage

[stone sierra]

I personally think it’s a good set that’s able to stay in and 1v1 a lot of stuff

[magic dome]

its okay to build around a mon like that, but this team feels more like av kyurem was slapped onto it at the end

i dont think this team really utilizes av kyurem very well

[tacit bluff]

thats fine but if ur gonna run a pretty bulky 1v1 merchant I think you'd need rethink what team would want a mon like that

there's a lot of holes that can be poked into this six

[stone sierra]

What team would?

[tacit bluff]

tbh idk, I'd typically go mixed ddance over av

just for the extra kick

but there's just some gripes I have here

like this team is pretty slow

scarf ghold is some speed control which is good but everything else is moving like molasses

and the aformentioned ting lu issue

[magic dome]

one examples is that av kyurem can trade with the offensive fairies (val enam), so the rest of the team can use that to their benefit

[tacit bluff]

so you don't rly have the speed to deal with offence or the longevity to sustain urself against balance

[stone sierra]

Yeah I think my issue is I care about bulk too much, I’m used to playing fat balances

[stone sierra]

That was why I made that set

It can 1v1 stuff like ival and enam

[magic dome]

i think your team should be made up of pokemon that can capitalize on kyurem trading with those fairies then

[tacit bluff]

fat balance is fine but none of these mons have recovery if you feel me

like they're fat but lack any recovery

[stone sierra]

Yeah I was trying to make a Bo but don’t know how to bo is my issue

[tacit bluff]

so you just get worn down the moment hatt can't keep hazards off

hmmm

tbh I'd start from scratch

icl

BO still wants a lot of offensive pressure

it just also values having some more resliant wincons

primarina for instance

it also benefits from strong defensive pivots

like pecharunt

so you have a backbone to fall back on

[stone sierra]

I’ve made so many prim teams😭

[tacit bluff]

this is too much backbone not enough firepower

[stone sierra]

Ic

[tacit bluff]

basically

[stone sierra]

So like
2 defensive mons
Resist every type
4 offensive/3 offensive 1 utility?

[tacit bluff]

kinda yeah

when I say defensive they can't be super passive

ting lu works on BO for instance

while yes its fat and not threatening it makes progress by coughing up hazards and forcing out booster mons or setup sweepers with whirlwind

moltres asw because it can pivot and spread status to weaken your opponents bigger threats

giving your more offensive mons some breathing room

[stone sierra]

What do I count av Kyurem as?

Defensive or offensive?

[tacit bluff]

with that ev spread it feels more defensive

are the evs for anything in particular

or are they just vibes

[stone sierra]

Don’t get 2hkoed by 252 ival moonblast

Outspeed bolt

That’s the basic stuff, ask aquilo for the rest. I tried to make a spread and they optimized it

I think it lives 2 enam moon lasts aswell? Not sure

[tacit bluff]

ah ok

thats definitely operating as more of an anti offence mon then

rather than your attacker

[stone sierra]

Also lives 2 kyurem dragon pulses and ohkos with meteor

[nocturne sable]

Tbh anything slower than weavile/darkrai is slow in my eyes

[empty verge]

^ agree with this

Ion even think ace is good speed control on its own

[tardy forum]

https://pokepast.es/8da3ece2ee38db43 is this team usable?

[stone sierra]

It’s very slow

[nocturne sable]

6-0ed by pon :/

[swift forum]

Thunder jirachi https://pokepast.es/53baaad0fdc7750d, idea was to try to break stall, weezing beats gliscor

[echo rampart]

too hazard weak

not the rachi team

how does this jirachi break stall

[magic dome]

the jirachi will run out of moves before actually breaking anything

[trail whale]

That Jirachi just loses to Gliscor among other bulky stall staples

Might as well build around the Deoxys it does it a lot better

[trail whale]

I think the idea is good but the current team is too slow paced, in long term guys Great Tusk will have a hard time spinning every time and it significantly limits how much Kyurem can come in, especially since your walls aren't the sturdiest.

I'd make the Alomomola a Dragonite or Zamazenta for an Ogerpon check & some more speed control

[tardy forum]

ok thanks

what would be the appropriate set of dragonite at this team?

[trail whale]

Probably basic Tera Normal Dragon Dance

[rapid frost]

Of six mons, three help break stall
You are not one of them, Jirachi

[nocturne sable]

I mean I can see the idea behind the jirachi but it’s not really powerful enough to break stall, even if you have serene grace

[empty verge]

There are other glaring issues here

Dragapult and ghold having a field day

Darkrai too on top of the lack of synergy

[nocturne sable]

Jirachi is the elephant in the room

[empty verge]

I highly suggest running samples for awhile to like build a more comprehensive understanding of the ou Metagame

[nocturne sable]

Pretty much

[empty verge]

Fs

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[rapid frost]

the only real thing it can kill is like maybe dozo

[hot dome]

hsr brainrot out shoo

[rapid frost]

being walled by gliscor kinda does make any mon just not work as a stallbreaker tho

[nocturne sable]

It seems like it was inspired by corv hatred, hence the thunder lol

[rapid frost]

0- SpA Jirachi Thunder vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 162-192 (40.6 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[swift forum]

252 SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 81-96 (21 - 25%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 99-117 (25.7 - 30.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 82-97 (21.3 - 25.2%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO

[empty verge]

Av treads is not a reliable answer to those

[nocturne sable]

Dengo gets free +2 on your team

Dragapult can run fire coverage at times and can cripple it with willo+hex

Rai also has the tools to cripple treads like willo, knock, trick, NP, etc

Av treads is also passive and has no reliable recovery , these mons can easily just chip and overwhelm treads

[narrow crest]

what we thinking then? normal ddance dnite?

was also thinking darkrai can be fun somewhere in here

[trail whale]

Probably yeah, seems like the most consistent with the pace of the team
Smth like Scale Shot or Tera Blast is a lot of commitment I'm not sure you can afford.

[crude oriole]

tried making a balance team, never tried before (probably not that good)

https://pokepast.es/d23c1b42b2e626fd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worn lark]

Not an experienced player but you probably want more speed then just a dragapult, and you lack any priority or hazards

[trail whale]

This looks like a hyper offence team with sub optimal sets

[worn lark]

Aside from the lead glimmora

Headlong rush > eq every day

[trail whale]

Balance teams focus on longevity, sturdy defensive core and often using hazard stack. Will have a powerful & hazard immune breaker like SD Weavile or Gliscor to make up for the lack of offensive pressure elsewhere.

At least that's how I think of them

[worn lark]

Same

Its meant to have a couple very powerful breakers that the rest of the team can support and take hits for

[crude oriole]

any specific pokemon i should get rid of?

[worn lark]

The glimmora is a suicide mon and shouldnt be here

(Also sash glimmora > air baloon glimmora

[crude oriole]

i like having cress and dozo as bulky walls but i agree that gilmmora is'nt very good

[worn lark]

You ideally want a slow pivot, something that gets your frailer but more powerful mons in

[crude oriole]

so swords dance weavile could be one of the more offensive mons

[worn lark]

And why not make dondozo chesto berry?…

[worn lark]

Yes, that’d also give you at least some priority with ice shard

[crude oriole]

would fake out be good too?

[worn lark]

Eh

Fake out isnt that good in singles, you’re usually better off running coverage

Or utility moves

[crude oriole]

any sets you recommend?

[worn lark]

i usually just follow what i see and what smogon dex says, then mix it up slightly

also, i'm just gonna say that wpolicy arcanine doesnt make sense because it WILL drop to basically any super effective attack

overall, you just lack momentum with your walls too

[worn lark]

0 Atk Dondozo Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 412-492 (124.4 - 148.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 496-588 (149.8 - 177.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

against actual offensive powerhouses, it's even worse

252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 948-1120 (286.4 - 338.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+1 88 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 380-450 (114.8 - 135.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

4 Atk Iron Valiant Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arcanine-Hisui: 390-462 (117.8 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

i could go on and on

[wooden mountain]

https://pokepast.es/92049ef987f2608a

How’s this, tried to build a team around Heatran being a rocker that can pressure opposing hazards removal

[final relic]

pech likes tera ghost to consistently spin block tusk

either that or tera dark foul play

[wooden mountain]

Oh

[low phoenix]

You can use a flying

Like zapdos over scizor

Heatran and pecharunt handle the fairies pretty well

[wooden mountain]

If I don’t have scizor it feels weak to Kyurem

[low phoenix]

Change hamurott then

[final relic]

not sure what this tusk set does for you as opposed to like bulk up

[wooden mountain]

Alr

[wooden mountain]

I heard booster speed is consistent at removing hazards

[low phoenix]

Oh yea tusk set is wack

Offensive utility is generally the best set

[wooden mountain]

Oh

So I swap hamu for zap, change pecha to Tera ghost and run offensive utility tusk?

[low phoenix]

Yea

[nocturne sable]

A lot of these sets are suboptimal and this team has no synergy

Glimmora is usually a suicide lead on offensive teams but it’s being paired with mons like dozo who are usually seen on fatter teams.

Hisui Arcanine isn’t that good in OU and that set is unviable since Hisui arcanine is too frail to make use of weakness policy

Tusk set is also not optimal as running body press then investing in spdef makes no sense+Tusk would rather invest in its Attack & speed stat

If you want to build balance you need the three fundamentals:

-Hazards
-Breaking power
-Speed

Balance would usually have 2-3 mons that form a solid defensive core that can spread hazards could help pivot into your wall breaker/sweeper, while also having the speed control to revenge kill opposing offensive threats

You can look at sample teams if you want a better understanding of how to build balance.

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[rapid frost]

the issue is that most defensive treads would probably prefer lefties simply to not get worn down super quickly

[rapid frost]

glimmora is just never on balance, body press on tusk over close combat is ..., hisuian arcanine is getting 0 value over weakness policy, cresselia is just kind of a bad mon in general, dondozo usually wants resttalk, and non talk sets are usually on MUCH bulkier teams or run chesto berry, lorb on a balance team is generally a bad idea

there are two routes for improving this team, either make it more offensive(ditch the dozo and the cress, fix sets, add some fast and offensive mons) or make it balanced(make the dozo spdef, ditch the arcanine hisui, cress, and glimm, change the pult to boots, fix the tusk set, add in some defensive synergies)

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/1731b098c58a47bc made a veil team, heard weakness policy kyurem was good. Is modest agility moth sub optimal? thought it could work on veil

[hot dome]

...who told you wp kyurem mwas good?

[stone sierra]

saw someone get it to #1 on ladder with veil

[hot dome]

bro people reach #1 with anything if they're good enough

but wtv

this is a team with 3 extremely hazard weak mons and two more mons that don't really like taking hazard chip with exactly 0 hazard control

[spiral wedge]

Run hatt since you don't have a spinner

Wp kyu seems fun, I'm still on the dice is generally better but you can def use wp here since mixed

I don't mind it at all

Helps vs guys like pex

Make it tera ground tho

[hot dome]

idk whats up with the val set but surely if you want to run mixed you can do a better spread than a cm set that invests only 4 evs into spattack

[spiral wedge]

So you ohko after wp proc with ep

[hot dome]

wp does nothing against pex 😭

[spiral wedge]

????? Bro it's mixed

[hot dome]

tf you gonan do with that item, pray pex packing a secret tera blast fairy?

[spiral wedge]

Tera ep does 50 alr

If it's proc'd pex can't tox stall

Is my point

[stone sierra]

tera?

[spiral wedge]

It's not terrible

[stone sierra]

its tera ice

[hot dome]

ok but who's going to click an attack into kyurem if you have a pex

[spiral wedge]

Make it ground

[hot dome]

instead of just going hard pex

unless you hard swap kyurem into the attack in which case you're risking a lot of chip

[spiral wedge]

They could press with corv or something 🤷🏾‍♂️

Either way wp certainly isn't bad

[hot dome]

i do not see any benefits highkey but wtv this the gimmick set sure

[spiral wedge]

Not common but works here

[wooden mountain]

I guess wpol Kyurem could be better at trading with some threats but that’s it

[spiral wedge]

Ur 2hkoing zama now

With freeze

[hot dome]

you have a lot of tera hog mons here

[spiral wedge]

Which does 30 at neutral

Lemme modify the paste rq and dump it

[nocturne sable]

If Kyu could easily tank a zama CB then I can kinda see how WP kyurem would work

Probably does since kyurem is fat especially in snow

[wooden mountain]

Lack of hazard removal here sucks a lot

[hot dome]

your only phys breaker is dnite and you're going to struggle to get the max value out of it since you're running a tb set with a lot of other mons that want tera

yall please read previous commnets above before repeating the same advice

[nocturne sable]

252 Atk Zamazenta Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem in Snow: 302-356 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (302, 306, 308, 312, 314, 320, 324, 326, 330, 332, 338, 342, 344, 348, 350, 356)

It barely lives

[hot dome]

you need some more immediate power, this team is full of weaker setup threats that will struggle into fat teams

[spiral wedge]

https://pokepast.es/fe529db80adc630a

[spiral wedge]

Reg kyu alr lives press iirc + u got snow & veil

[hot dome]

(why ghost on tales)

[spiral wedge]

Tales is def better with water or something ya

[spiral wedge]

I mean between mixed kyu and pon now it's fine

@stone sierra make moth speed booster btw

4a or 3a tspike

[hot dome]

well yes i was talking about the team beforehand

and not your team

[spiral wedge]

It has enough ways to force switches

Even then

Between kyu deo and val

[hot dome]

team got 6-0ed by a toxic gliscor + bulky water

[spiral wedge]

?

Mixed kyu was right there, force Tera and val forces a lot

[hot dome]

val doesn't force anything its a cm set with no invest and a spread that gliscor will easily tank

also gets hard walled by any poison

[spiral wedge]

It's up hill sure but not autowin

[spiral wedge]

Only teams with bulky water + scor rly are stall nowadays

Make that val tera steel and it causes so many issues

All the mons are super techable

[hot dome]

4 SpA Iron Valiant Moonblast vs. 244 HP / 228+ SpD Gliscor: 106-126 (30.1 - 35.7%) -- 4.1% chance to 4HKO after Poison Heal

this mon causing no issues

[spiral wedge]

??? Kyurem forces a tera early vs these types of teams

Then you go from there

[clever berry]

Mixed Valiant must always max out SpA

[spiral wedge]

Nah

It makes sense here

[clever berry]

Coz Moonblast's best trait is its neutrality

[spiral wedge]

But max attack mixed val is very real

[clever berry]

Close Combat is just coverage vs steels

[spiral wedge]

Stronger knock on the mixed encore sets

[hot dome]

this isn't mixed this is cm with cc coverage

[nocturne sable]

This is cm Val tho

[spiral wedge]

I said max spa makes sense here 😭

[clever berry]

All the more reason for it to be max SpA

[spiral wedge]

I was just saying max attack mixed is real to the other guy

[hot dome]

^

max attack mixed is fair (especially if its something like cc knock moonblast encore)

[low phoenix]

Special valiant really wants shadow ball to hit ghosts like gholdengo and still be a neutral option vs birds

[hot dome]

yall we moved past the val it got cut already 😭

[clever berry]

Does Moonblast do more than Spirit Break in that case

[spiral wedge]

Yes because of the targets

[hot dome]

its a mixed set not a phys set

[clever berry]

My reason for Max SpA on mixed Valiant is Moonblast hitting most thing neutrally

[spiral wedge]

@stone sierra idt i pinged you for this

[stone sierra]

i saw

[hot dome]

also in the future please post explanations with your changes

[spiral wedge]

I mean we literally discussed it

No removal + I mentioned adding hatt + a tuant guy

Taunt

So patched it up and sent a new version

[hot dome]

we discussed two changes and then you swapped out another mon, changed dnite's set, and changed moth's set

[spiral wedge]

• u said tera hog

So patched dnite

[nocturne sable]

The changes make sense here, Tera ground Dnite to break the likes of gweez

[spiral wedge]

I didnt fix moth set

But it should be booster speed

[hot dome]

well, planned to

[spiral wedge]

For speed control

It was all in the convo

[hot dome]

if i didnt mention the breaking power thing right before you sent the paste it wouldn't have been + its still nice to have a collected post of thoughts with the changes since its still different from going "heres 15 lines of scattered thoughts" to "this is why i made all these changes"

[stone sierra]

their team works tho right?

i dont have to change anything?

[hot dome]

see, this is why you make a collected post 😭

[hot dome]

change moth to booster speed change ninetales to tera water

[stone sierra]

kk

[hot dome]

booster speed moth with 3a tspikes or 4a

[stone sierra]

3a?

[hot dome]

3attack

[low phoenix]

Fiery dance sludge wave energy ball/dazzling gleam

[nocturne sable]

Dragons are broken these day so always dazzling gleam for me

[spiral wedge]

I will say as an archetype veil feels the weakest it has in a while

No moon has made it way more inconsistent

[hot dome]

do not be fooled by the wcop 1 wek burst in viability

it died the next week

[clever berry]

It surely is
Hazard Stack HO is way better now

[spiral wedge]

Amd idt the taunt ceru wcop veil was even good either

[spiral wedge]

Pools is very different from main stage though

Which is notable

[low phoenix]

veils is hit or miss

[hot dome]

yes that is my point

it saw a 1 week burst in viability then fell off a cliff

[nocturne sable]

Double dance Gliscor did in fact not pop off :/

[low phoenix]

its inconsistent (ex. the moment you meet a cinderace or team relying on passive damage like hazard stack/stall)

[spiral wedge]

Well idt burst in viability is the best way to put it since you're preparing for different scenarios

Pools has multiple opps + multiple games vs ppl of varying skill, almost ladder esque vs playing 1 oppnthat you prep for

[clever berry]

Most meta revelant sweepers (Dragonite, Valiant, Kingambit etc..) on HO need hazards more than screens
They need max 1 turn of setup so screens ain't that important
But they all force switches and need their opps to get chipped

[spiral wedge]

Where you can optimized ur bring based on ur opp

[hot dome]

also this convo is quickly getting out of hand for this channel

[spiral wedge]

Veil does allow different mons to flex their strength in different ways

[hot dome]

arguably this is more accurate to the meta since its a bigger game pool and thus more reflective of a style's overall effectiveness into different archetypes

[spiral wedge]

You'd think but it's still just not great

[hot dome]

but veil was just a fish that caught people off guard in a lower skill/prep pool and then predicatbly fell off once it reached the actual tourney so

[clever berry]

But those multi-turn setups mons are hit or miss coz of unaware mons (except Stored Power users, but even they get shut by Tera Dark)

[spiral wedge]

I wouldn't say fish but it punished the popular bo/balance teams heavily

Anti-meta is a better term

[hot dome]

wtv we can debate nuance in #comp-general

ting lu fan got his rate lets move

[spiral wedge]

Yea the high power guys are mostly banned

[somber sapphire]

Hello! I'm pretty new to competitive pokemon. I've just started playing random battles a while ago and I want to know What is the best team for Gholdengo.

https://pokepast.es/4c559b5d5586f576 This is the team i've been using. Iron Moth just rekted my ass recently and I want to know what suggestions this team should have. like what moves should I replace/What mons should i replace

Cinderace and Therian Landorus are the physical attackers.

Gholdengo and Primarina are the special attackers, while Pecharunt is a physical wall and Amoonguss is a special wall.

Suggestions welcome 😉

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

Amoong generally isnt very consistent outside of very defensive stall teams

It struggles to commit to progress with sleep ban here

I'd also take either ghold or pech out here. Stacking dark weaknesses is pretty unfavorable especially since theres not much you can do vs gambit here

[trail whale]

The team is missing a lot of synergy; Lando T + Pecharunt + Amoonguss isn't a very strong defensive core at all, you will be easy to overwhelm and Amoonguss especially will kill your momentum.

You don't have any speed control, so if a fast Pokemon like Iron Moth gets going it can run away with the whole game

You have strong hazard removal but don't take advantage of it so it feels unnecessary

Primarina being your only dark resist and you not having a ghost resist also makes it really tricky to deal with Pokemon like Darkrai and Dragapult that just blow up the team quickly

Some of the sets are quite sub optimal with Toxic Eject Pecharunt and Spore Amoonguss did that's banned

I'd highly recommend using one of the many sample teams with Gholdengo to better learn SVOU and understand what your Gholdengo teams should look like.

[somber sapphire]

I'll use the team i've been using 1 last time 😀

I forgot i even gave Pecharunt eject button tf

[rapid frost]

spore is straight up banned, how are you even using that

I'd replace amoongus with a gking first and foremost, helps with the moth problem and in general shores up the special bulk of the team

AV might be good here, especially since your team doesn't have many good breakers

[hot dome]

you don't need to rate a team again if a rater already gave it a rate

[rapid frost]

ok but a rate that just says "use a sample team" is a really lame rate

and mcribs didn't really give alternatives, just said to take some mons out

[hot dome]

Its a "lame" rate, sure, but an accurate one: this person is clearly extremely new to the tier, to the point that they're building without even knowledge of the bans

[rapid frost]

I mean yes, but honestly whats the point of this channel if every team that showed a large lack of teambuilding acumen and knowledge of the tier was just directed to the RMTs

we don't exactly get the cream of the crop for teambuilding here

[empty verge]

It’s not a teambuilding channel

[hot dome]

the point of this channel is to help people the best way we can: building someone's team for them is frankly the same as giving them the sample, at that point

[empty verge]

We add touch ups to teams that are salveageble

That’s why it’s important to read the rules of this channel before commenting

[nocturne sable]

I mean to be fair raters most of the time do explain their reasonings on why said team is unviable. it’s not like they just direct them to samples with no explanation.

[somber sapphire]

What is a good moveset for a specially defensive GKing? I wanna replace amoonguss with him to make my team better
buuuuuuuutttttt

[somber sapphire]

AV?

[nocturne sable]

It should be on the smogon analysis stuff but Gking usually run the following moves:

Assault vest Gking:
Psyshock/psychic noise
Ice beam
Flamethrower
Sludge bomb

Regular pivot glowking:

Future sight
Twave/toxic
chilly reception

And afromentioned moves in Assault Vest glowking can be used for pivot glowking

[nocturne sable]

AV as in assault vest

[somber sapphire]

ahh

I have an assault vest on primarina; who should i add it to?

[hot dome]

^ to be frank, there's a lot more problems with your team than just one or two mons, and trying to go down set by set would require a total rework of your team to the point that we're basically making it for you

Luna put it best, but this unfortunately isn't the channel for building teams: if you want help in that regard, ask in #comp-general

[somber sapphire]

srry

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/6a968ca6509c43f9 made a lorb tornadus team, idk if i should be leaning into hstack with that set

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

what benchmarks does life orb hit?

[stone sierra]

2HKO ting lu with tera grass at +2

[echo rampart]

it does that anyway

team looks pretty cool, ogerpon doesnt need spikes and treads wants coverage for flying types

stone edge or ice spinner

I’d probably make ogerpon a bulky trailblaze set for offensive teams since u have two nasty plot mons and spikes for bulky teams

[stone sierra]

Sorry not at +2
Unboosted+tera grass 2hkos

[stone sierra]

Kk

Is the gliscor mu bad?

I feel like I made the team too weak to sd knock gliscor

[stone sierra]

what’s the pon trailblaze set?

[echo rampart]

the thing with ogerpon is it can do whatever the fuck it wants and will be good

Ability: Water Absorb  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 224 HP / 36 Atk / 248 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Swords Dance  
- Ivy Cudgel  
- Trailblaze  
- Synthesis```

this is a bulky spread some tour players use, u can go more offensive with play rough to hit dragons

[echo rampart]

Gliscor thrives longterm no matter what but Zamazenta and Ogerpon can at least force tera

Boots Torn can also plot on most variants

[abstract tapir]

https://pokepast.es/1c56b10a6aff4f37
been having a few practice battles and they have been going well I’m just wondering about the Tera type I can use for H-Samurott and Dragapults moveset + Tera type

[languid tendon]

personally this woger set aint the best i'd go with u turn sd cudgle horn/power whip but thats when i want a good stall mu/BO

[languid tendon]

i'd run tera water

change tusk to leftys for healing and longterm life

i'd run twave on gking since your team has no scarfer

weavile could be ghost/ice but fire is cool

[echo rampart]

yeah, it's team dependent

[languid tendon]

pult set is okay i'd change to tera dragon with dragon darts over draco

but that is fine if you want more spatk on that team

[languid tendon]

very

[echo rampart]

but on a team with multiple nasty plot breakers I think trailblaze is nice for offensive teams

[languid tendon]

yea

if i run trailblaze its most likely with play rough over sys ngl

but 4th move is always on team

[somber sapphire]

Let's see what we have here:

Weavile should be running Triple Axel instead of Icicle Crash. Triple Axel has 120 BP with 90% accuracy, and can break substitutes.

Galarian Slowking is better off having a different Tera-type. Let's say you run the Tera-type Fairy for example. Tera-fairy is much better than Tera-dark because it allows you to do better against Dragapult and Darkrai.

What is Ceaseless Edge on Samurott for?

[languid tendon]

i did not even see weavile had no taxel

thats pretty much a need

also tera dark gking is okay on that team

[somber sapphire]

oh, Ceaseless Edge is on Samurott mainly for setting hazards up

[languid tendon]

ceasless on samu is obv

[somber sapphire]

didn't remember XD

[languid tendon]

i really dont see any MAJOR problems with the team ngl

[echo rampart]

tera dark does just as well against pult and darkrai

[somber sapphire]

Tera-dark gives you a weakness to fighting which really sucks

[echo rampart]

every type has weaknesses lol

[somber sapphire]

Tera-fairy is a resistance

[echo rampart]

no offense but if you don't really know much about the meta (I.E not knowing what Ceaseless Edge does) then its best to not give advice to others

[languid tendon]

tera fairy is weak to poison

so should i not run tera fairy

[nocturne sable]

Ceaseless edge is the main thing about samurott

[languid tendon]

ceaseless is one of the best moves ever imo

if it had 100% acc then its the best move ever just saying

https://pokepast.es/6bfc9be52ddff405

anyway i'd like to have this team rated

mid ladder demon team

[echo rampart]

specs keld is cool, it's nice to fit icy wind if u can just for stuff like hydrapple and sinistcha

honestly this team rlly lacks a lot of checkboxes like a volt immune, speed control, scald switchin, etc

[languid tendon]

i like to have hydro over icy wind to 2hko most of the meta mons and ohko ting lu

[nocturne sable]

How does this team switch into bolt

[languid tendon]

we dont switch into bolt we just ball with keldeo vac wave doing 25 then kyu

or bolt switch in on corv and i u turn on it doing 60% into kyu

[echo rampart]

doing 60 with uturn

[languid tendon]

when bolt teras fairy ici spear does 50 at least and then pecha

[languid tendon]

bolt does 60 with tbolt

60-70

[nocturne sable]

Bolt gets free entry and Tera’s easily on this team

[languid tendon]

i'd like to say keldeo forces alot of teras

https://pokepast.es/a728764fbd8f7ba0 this one is slightly better into bolt

i switched gking to av like last week

av gking is not the greatest answer to bolt i know but sludge bomb or ice beam get it into range of zama/kyu or fallen 2 gambit

[nocturne sable]

Ngl it would be a lot easier if you just use ting Lu

[languid tendon]

i know 2.0 is ting lu over gking

but i dispise ting lu

[nocturne sable]

This team is rockless and it screams a need for ting Lu

[languid tendon]

https://pokepast.es/cb3369642f5ddcf6

heavy slam is just for ival and other fairys

my ival matchup is ass so heavy slam over spikes

[stone sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[languid tendon]

hes too bulky for his own good

i love him on my team tho

only my team

[abstract tapir]

Ceaseless edge is for hazard stack with great tusk

[languid tendon]

that does not even need to be explained

[abstract tapir]

Yeah I just saw the message when I scrolled down

[languid tendon]

its just obv

[nocturne sable]

It’s better if you run heavy slam on zama than ting Lu as Lu would want whirlwind over heavy slam.

Your matchups against fairies are bad in general.

Ngl kyurem isn’t really needed here. For me it feels like it’s overlapping with other mons on the team and is just unnecessarily stacking on the fairy weakness.

I would prob just replace it with glowking, FS support is always nice and improves your iron Val MU

[languid tendon]

i was pretty sure i had heavy slam on zama

gotta do that eq

rq

[alpine hornet]

"What is (the entire reason the mon is good) on Samurott for?"

please do not try to rate when you evidently know very little about the tier 🙏 thanks!

[empty verge]

^

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/4efe026bb129bc74

1. no garchomp
2. I am gonna spam this on ladder

[nocturne sable]

Specs kyurem with little to no hazard control

Not really sure why you have scarf enam and scarf Hamurott it just seems pretty odd here

[empty verge]

I feel like gambit > sam is better here not feeling dual scarf

[gritty lake]

Oh yea double scarf

[empty verge]

Corv > zap

Gives you extra removal

[gritty lake]

Corv is better into tusk?

[empty verge]

Correct

[somber sapphire]

Hisuian Samurott and Great Tusk are a great core because Ceaseless Edge is amazing. Combine that with Tusk Stealth Rocks and it's even deadlier.

The rest mostly are kinda unviable p.s. i would suggest replacing corviknight with zapdos and maybe (but not recommended) keep enamorus as the special attacker

besides the special wall gking

[nocturne sable]

I know you’re trying to help but as others have said it’s best not to give advice if you’re not experienced in the tier

[gritty lake]

I was really worried about pult that I forgot it was double scarf lol

Also uh

[nocturne sable]

His team is still salvageable

[gritty lake]

I don't hv a steel type either

[obtuse epoch]

stop

[gritty lake]

Ig enam isn't necessary

[obtuse epoch]

you've been told multiple times to not give advice due to a lack of experience by raters

[empty verge]

Gambit will help a lot

[gritty lake]

Oh yea corv

[empty verge]

Ye

[gritty lake]

Too

[empty verge]

Can even do Tera fire

[gritty lake]

Yep

[empty verge]

If needed

For wisp

[gritty lake]

Yea

[obtuse epoch]

thats your last warning

[gritty lake]

Do I do helmet or lefties on corv

[empty verge]

Helmet

[somber sapphire]

sorry...

[gritty lake]

Ok

Ty

[empty verge]

Anytime

[stable gale]

https://pokepast.es/d0fd6d7060f9483c

i don't know, there is a feeling of uncanniness when using this team

[empty verge]

Ok so a few things

1. I don’t really understand the dual av mons

2. Pon kinda destroys you

[stable gale]

yes

[empty verge]

I don’t really see the idea or goal behind the team

[stable gale]

i was thinking a same thing

[empty verge]

If you know what your team is trying to do I’ll be happy to assist

[stable gale]

To tell you the truth,I want to use AV Toxapex

[empty verge]

Av pex is on more balanced structure

With stuff like Gliscor corv etc

G weez

You also want consistent removal for this to function properly

Sometimes it’s even ran with dual removal

[stable gale]

you have any team with av pex ?

[empty verge]

I do not unfortunately

[stable gale]

kk

[stable gale]

how about i use tera grass

[empty verge]

This team kinda needs a complete revamp if you go with av pex

Tera grass alone if your asking won’t really solve the issue

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/fd720ceb3a6ad699

stall was hard to deal with

future sight combo was the only way through but valiant never kills smth

gliscor and toxic spam was kind of also a problem as crown who is immune to poison is weak to ground and dark

[clever berry]

coz your valiant is missing evs

[limber spear]

ah shi

what do i run

i tried 252 spa

doesn’t break fat posion

[clever berry]

Yeah usually that coz you hit Moonblast the most

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/d64c8b6a50112f03
Fezanskibidi

[clever berry]

Unless there is some steel you can OHKO with CC
Atk can be 4

[clever berry]

It's valiant
That's not its job
It has crown to aid it

[limber spear]

right

[clever berry]

I think you need a proper wallbreaker though

[limber spear]

how does my teammates break gliscor

[limber spear]

yeah

[clever berry]

Maybe Kyurem over Dragonite?

[limber spear]

prima was planned to fuck those fat stuffs but walled by pex

[limber spear]

tried it too weak to fire and lacked a water pon counter

also weak to hazard

[clever berry]

I mean Dragonite gets nuked by Play Rough

And doesn't like Knock off

Ogerpon-W has no serious walls

[limber spear]

but it takes care of it early game

[clever berry]

Tera Grass Zapdos is your best solution

[limber spear]

and hope valiant solves it

[clever berry]

Btw

Prim can break fat

if you have Psychic Noise

[limber spear]

not pex and blissey

av pex

and toss blissey

one toss breaks sub

and weak to av pex while not creating enough dmg normally as i didn’t have any spa evs

but i can retry it

[clever berry]

You are weak to ghosts as well

Maybe Samurott over Prim?

[limber spear]

never faced one

ngl

but it

fat prima can take out gholdengo early on

[limber spear]

that was the only mon i wanted to keep in the team

my direction was prima bo

[clever berry]

Oh ok

[limber spear]

“was”

[clever berry]

I don't build much with Prim

Maybe I'll let a rater handle it

However

I think CM Prim with Psynoise and Hazard Stack should be good vs stall

Primarina @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Voice
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Calm Mind
• Psychic Noise
• Draining Kiss
• Substitute

This set

[limber spear]

physically def dive?

defensive*

[clever berry]

Ofc

You boost your SpDef anyway

[limber spear]

how do i do hazard stack

[clever berry]

I think Tera Steel will help vs AV Pex a lot

[limber spear]

tusk is only hazard

[clever berry]

Ting Lu

[limber spear]

i found tera steel a bit bad

[clever berry]

Gliscor?

But idt Gliscor is good on BO

[limber spear]

cuz like zama

and stuff

[echo rampart]

on AV pex?

[clever berry]

You can't beat everything with 1 slot
For Zama, Gholdengo could help

[echo rampart]

I like Tera Blast coverage on Pex tbh its OG typing is generally good enough it never has to tera vs anything

[limber spear]

if i switch them for ting lu then who i use to remove hazard

[clever berry]

Nah

Wait

We are building a new team now

Let's move to #comp-general

[wooden linden]

Move to comp gen 2 maybe

Theres less ppl talking there so easier to communicate

[wooden linden]

Also pls my ass gets handed by gliscor

[limber spear]

i don’t want to learn a other team more but ig if it works

[stone sierra]

fez, apple, and volc?

very based team

[limber spear]

what do i fill

hazard stack

or i use gliscor over lu but i can’t resist ghost tho

[gritty lake]

Dragonite

And knock guy prob

[limber spear]

istg it can’t be dnite valiant for the freaking 3 rd time

😭

well spring seems ok

[stone sierra]

wellspring is always goog

[limber spear]

is spikes waterpon good

seems gimmicky

but

[stone sierra]

Ya

P used set

[limber spear]

why do i never face it when i wanted to

[stone sierra]

Woger is great on offensive hstack
You get spikes, knock, and it’s a woger

[limber spear]

like a month before i thought woger was bad

then i proceeded to play stall

and uh

i ran tera grass on everything

[clever berry]

Tbh I feel Samurott-H is better at Spikes
Ogerpon-W is better as a wallbreaker

I guess role compression?

[stone sierra]

Nah it’s a typing/team needs thing

[stone sierra]

Second thought don’t go woger

[limber spear]

sam is under 300 speed

[stone sierra]

Kyurem kinda shreds that team

[limber spear]

ballon dengo?

it was a hazard stack

anyways i found a sample team

on bo hazard stack

[hot dome]

this isn't the channel for this convo

[stone sierra]

Which one?

[hot dome]

go to comp gen

[limber spear]

posted in comp gen 2

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/984ca55834918c6e

[trail whale]

I don't like how many pokemon here just kinda thud into Moltres and Corv

I think you could do the Tera Fire Fire Punch Dragonite set and alter something else, maybe Head Smash Tusk or slapping Rbolt over one of the Pokemon

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/bbbf82a29afb17da was given this team and i wonder if lando could be gliscor

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

please don't use this to post samples

[tacit bluff]

Idk how out of date prime pult is icl

It's like

[trail whale]

Yeah
I don't think it can be a Gliscor though.

[tacit bluff]

Half a year old

[echo rampart]

it's timeless lol, but Lando is better than Gliscor at the role of setting up rocks and pivoting

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

[echo rampart]

but anyway yeah please feel free to ask about that kind of thing in compgen

[limber spear]

https://pokepast.es/2b3eb6b1e03b8253 just wanna use scream tail

[loud pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/eaa7248d68d9546c
Im trying to get back into OU but I suck at teambuilding

[wooden linden]

Fezan was doing ass so i made it glowking
https://pokepast.es/464594ce2c442433

[loud pagoda]

is volcanion good

[wooden linden]

Its alright

Pretty good at trading with opponents

Plus just nice for wellspring

[wooden linden]

The team lacks a solid water resist here

It would prob be worth using dnite over corv here

You dont really need defog with tusk anyways

I'd also change the darkrai set into smth like boots or scarf

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/2a7e9b8fbe54f39b

Valiant + Latios is my breaking core here

Zama provides Ogerpon-W and Darkrai check, as well as Speed Control

And baits bulky fairies for Valiant and Latios (could make it Tera Steel for this reason)

Tusk's standard role compression

Samurott provides Hazard Stack, Pivoting, Gholdengo check, Knock off

Pecha provides a spin blocker and pivot

Alternatively, this team can be Pult over Latios and Glowking over Pecha

[wooden linden]

Id put ghold over pech here ngl

You dont have a steel type otherwise

[clever berry]

I though of that too
But needed a pivot

Is 1 pivot enough?

[limber spear]

i just saw a potential valiant 6:0 somehow

just psychic the pech

and win speed tie smhow

nvm tera flips the table

[wooden linden]

I'd prob go crazy with the replacements here

Crown over pech and pult over lati

[limber spear]

lati is gimmicky yk

[clever berry]

Lati with Tera is a crazy Kyurem check

[limber spear]

reveals its tera fire tera blast

[clever berry]

Plus with CM Soul Dew it 2hkoes Ting Lu with Draco

[limber spear]

how do u check valiant

[clever berry]

Pecha

I know its shaky though

Coz it can Shadow Ball it

[wooden linden]

Sure but you have to tera in order to check kyu

Crown still offers a good check while also volt switch pivoting

[clever berry]

Specs or AV Crown?

I think Pult is better as boots here than Specs/Band

Since it is my only spinblocker

[limber spear]

av seems great

[wooden linden]

Specs crown can work yeah

Boots pult should work

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/52083656a2ff1999 guys this team struggles a lot against slowking especially Bulk. What can i do to help with the matchup?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @echo rampart, @magic dome, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

This is like the standard sun team, you shouldn’t be struggling with glowking when you have Ceru,tusk and Tera water specs wake

[bright plinth]

so all this time it was a skill issue

[nocturne sable]

I mean this is literally almost a sample team soo

[bright plinth]

yeah its

but i thought that it had a bad match and started to get annoying so i want to do some changes

[nocturne sable]

Well, I’m not sure what to tell you because most raters will tell you to stick to the sample so 🤷‍♂️

[bright plinth]

yeah they do

anyway thank u a lot

[limber spear]

if it shuts down your sun then don’t sent nine tails the first turn ig

i saw a lot of 1600 ppl doing that and it’s easy to predict and over ride with gloking