SV OU Rates

[hot dome]

yeah unfortunately conk just aint it

works in lower tiers tho

[north nimbus]

Ursaluna prob can do you more justice

[junior vine]

aight

I'll make some changes, but if I still wanted to use conk, is the team fine otherwise?

[north nimbus]

Sure

Tho

Go bulky dd roost dnite here

Cause zama and woger do farm this

[junior vine]

k

[north nimbus]

Might want to consider Lu > rai to help vs bolt cause that Mon also is annoying and also gives u an actual ghost resist

[stone sierra]

It’s objectively worse ursaluna aswell

Oh that was already mentioned

Oop

[supple vessel]

https://pokepast.es/771f23b681d4437e

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[supple vessel]

made a team using latios gambit as a breaking core, planned on making it balance but it ended up being bulky offence

[wooden linden]

you can take kyurem out here i feel

its not really needed here

and you have lati for the instant / breaking power

you can prob take it out for a second bulkier ghost resist

[gritty lake]

Or something for kyurem

[wooden linden]

so smth like an assault vest samu can generally work here

also make pult wisp here

you already have twave glowking

kyu should be ok if you save your tera here

tera steel lati generally does good enough

but worst case air balloon gambit should be able to pivot around a little better

with tera fire here for molt

[supple vessel]

hmmmm

so I use av samu instead of kyurem?

[elder knoll]

If you’re using steel Lati for Kyu

it should be cloak

You also setup on Garg then and ignore some Hat nonsense

[supple vessel]

(tbh I took the breaking cores from pinkacross and then tried to build something around it)

[bright plinth]

guys what role does Zoroark-Hisui play in a team

[gritty lake]

Being bad

[bright plinth]

really

i thought it had the best typing

[hot dome]

This isn’t the channel for these questions btw, but horoark is bad since even though it has a good typing, it’s frail, not that powerful, and its gimmick isn’t that hard to see through

[bright plinth]

alr thanks, and sry for asking in the wrong channel i just wanted to know how to build with it in a team

[hot dome]

Yeah unfortunately horoark just is too weak for OU

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/f38e2587f2c9bf10, what do u think about this ceruldge team

[wooden linden]

Its looking good

I'd just make val modest here with vacuum wave over encore

And maybe head smash over cc

For tusk

[bright plinth]

i hated that move so much

[bright plinth]

so this change for tusk

[wooden linden]

Yes

[bright plinth]

okay thanks

[proud canyon]

https://pokepast.es/c81311c7a2b2aff8
been trying to make decidueye work in OU, i know its not a good pokemon but that wont stop me, initially i got advice make a hyper offence team with sticky web for it, but im pretty new to teambuilding so i'll see what you guys have to say

[hot dome]

I’m going to be honest, nothing you can do will force decidueye to work

[wooden linden]

decid cant really do too good in ou but theres some more teambuilding issues here

first you have cind + araq

its anti synergy since the araq sets webs and you swap around hazards with ace

so you just have webs on your own side

[proud canyon]

im not planning to use court change that often, i just needed a counter to other cinderace court changes because tha was giving me trouble

[wooden linden]

theres a lot better counters

of the top of my head theres choice specs tera fairy enam

punishes court change with contrary

plus most of your breakers arent affected by webs

also your ghold has both np and specs

just make the ghold air balloon

[proud canyon]

i couldve swarn i put air ballon on it

is there any other counter to court change i can use or is it just enamerous?

[wooden linden]

you can generally keep araq alive to set webs even after court change

araq has the benefit of having a great mu vs ace

but it shouldnt be a problem for your team since 3 mons are already not affected by webs

[proud canyon]

ok cool

then what should i use in place of cinder?

[wooden linden]

im thinking of gambit or tusk here

gambit preferrably

provides ghost resist here

but also its prob best to get rid of the decidueye

add a ceru or smth over it

[proud canyon]

nah its my vison

[wooden linden]

fuck ok then

but yeah add a gambit over ace

air balloon gambit

[proud canyon]

bit i will use kingambit

isnt that too slow to take advantage of sticky webs though?

[wooden linden]

nah not really

with webs up you outspeed tusk

thats really important for it

[proud canyon]

but most tusks are boots right?

[wooden linden]

usually depends

some are boots

but others are rocky helmet or booster energy

[hot dome]

Gambit is just a good mon in general

[wooden linden]

yeah that too

[hot dome]

You don’t want only mons that rely on webs

[wooden linden]

oh right also dnite usually carry encore over ice spinner

[hot dome]

*for scale shot sets

[proud canyon]

will do

ok are there any other huge changes i should make after bootiing cinder for gambit

*besides getting rid of decidueye i love him too much

[wooden linden]

there is the gliscor ig

should be fine

team is already wacky so idt its too bad

[proud canyon]

well my goal was to make a viable hyer offense team then slot in decidueye ... to make it less viable but cooler

[wooden linden]

eh

can prob put a tusk in

booster atk

over gliscor

[proud canyon]

is tusk better than gliscor? i thought they were pretty even

[wooden linden]

gliscor tends to fit on bulkier archetypes

tusk works on offensive structures

theyre not strictly comparable

[proud canyon]

and the decidueye set? fine? i know i cant make it good but i can make it bareable

i hope

[wooden linden]

it should be fine

[proud canyon]

so with these changes it will be a viable HO team minus the decidueye?

[wooden linden]

should work

[proud canyon]

my boy is useful sometimes, choice band shadow sneaks can come in clutch

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/2dbd85599cbb3387 - SV OU

[stiff dagger]

Could you explain the speed tiers on hatt and scizor (I don’t feel like checking the exact numbers lol)? Also what is the covert cloak for?
That aside I think it seems like a decent team but the lack of non tera fire resistances isn’t great and I think it’ll struggle against stall and bulky hazard stack

Also I think you have too much setup on your team and it will probably get you pivoted on and smoke by a lot of team types

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/590f8fca7748dd68 I was adviced to replace ogerpon with zapdos, thoughts? this was the first team i built a couple months ago

[regal ginkgo]

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[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/e0b21f13ee41898c

[gritty lake]

Ground immunity where

[stone sierra]

could go av torn?

over hat

[elder knoll]

Are you trying to make a hazard stack + sub Kyu?

[stone sierra]

not really, just want a sinis prim bo

could go spdef spikes gliscor for hazards ig

[elder knoll]

Prim as a hazard abuser is neat

🤔

[stone sierra]

mostly an anti fat mon

https://pokepast.es/3b5c0049eefb63d1 smth like this?

[north nimbus]

Speed control where

[gritty lake]

Steel type where

[elder knoll]

[north nimbus]

I would make this u turn woger, and this squad honestly wants a flyer here could go something else like bulky ddnite over meow, and could make this specs pult

[elder knoll]

I would turn this into a boot spam ngl

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/9a5750e68ab1e9c1 smth like this?

or is glowking too much of a momentum drain

[gritty lake]

again no ground immunity

[proud stratus]

No ground is fine with sinitcha

Hazard are more problematic

Sam + prima is not really good

And we don't know what the team wants to do

It's too slow and your team is more an offense than a balance

[north nimbus]

No speed control again

[tender lark]

thanks but meowscarada is a must

[north nimbus]

Tho if u do some like zama > samu and then ting Lu > Garg actually could work

[hot dome]

meowscarada really doesn;'t fit this team, if you want to build around meow you need to pivot hard into a bulkier spikes stacking balance team which would require a major restructure

[tender lark]

Damn i build this team exactly for meowscarada

Guess ill take the advice and make meowscarada a new team then

[proud stratus]

Meow works well on fire water grass idea volt turn core

Cinde/moltres prima/water meow

[compact saddle]

The dawn of starter spam

[drowsy marsh]

Is this a decent team for sv ou?

https://pokepast.es/40f5b54b2cabd93c

[regal ginkgo]

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[drowsy marsh]

I wanna make cband blaziken work

And i wanna use webs to slow down faster pokemons that threaten me

[wooden linden]

Not much reason for a alo here

If youre using webs its not really worth it

[drowsy marsh]

What would be better than alo?

[trail whale]

The two don't really synergise
Webs can be inconsistent to set up, you're usually getting them off twice in a game at most
This is why webs is specifically HO, a playstyle where you try to maintain as much momentum as you can. CB Blaziken will feel ridiculously exploitable here since they bring in a resist or immunity and suddenly you lost all the momentum you had

[wooden linden]

Sd black glasses samu should be fine

[drowsy marsh]

Hisuian samurott?

[wooden linden]

But yeah if you really wanna make blaziken worth it just take the webs out

[drowsy marsh]

Owh

[elder knoll]

Or make Blaze balloon

that’s been used before

On webs

[drowsy marsh]

Hmm

I could try balloon blaze ig

But if i did use cband is something like offense much better?

[wooden linden]

Yes

[elder knoll]

don’t use cband Blaze

[wooden linden]

Or balance ish

[elder knoll]

[drowsy marsh]

Nuhuh fblitz is funny with cband

[elder knoll]

+2 is funnier

+2 252+ Atk Tera Fire Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 428-504 (98.6 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Tera Fire Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 344-405 (108.5 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Tera Fire Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta: 320-378 (98.4 - 116.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Tera Fire Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 347-409 (108 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Useful calcs

[drowsy marsh]

Sd?

[elder knoll]

yeah

[drowsy marsh]

Owh

Alr

Ill try ballon blazik

Do i bring eq to hit stuff like toxapex?

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/33b84aca941f87b3 wanted to try building around latios

[low phoenix]

Doesn’t soul dew latios and future sight + zamazenta break for you already (talking about band weavile)

[sacred delta]

yea probably, i mostly wanted an ice type for lando/gliscor, but yea i agree it doesnt rlly fit

scizor already has knock off + priority anyway

[low phoenix]

Just use darkrai tbh

Standard hdb nasty plot is good

Wait nvm you don’t have a ground

Ting Lu > band weavile

For a rocker + dark/ghost resist

[north nimbus]

Go toxic gking here

Everything else looks solid gliscor might be annoying in the long run

[clever berry]

Bro doesn't know what Hyper Offense is

[gritty lake]

A dragon less ho

[stiff dagger]

I am aware of HO

I just don't think yours will work consistently

[clever berry]

Fire types - Yeah, no serious switch ins but its HO - you can't defend yourself against everyone, but you need to offensively pressure everyone - most fires can be beaten offensively (Moltres is the most obnoxious one - that's why I have Thunderbolt Valiant to lure it)

Covert Cloak Hatterene - To avoid Sludge Bomb poisoning from Glowking and beat it - this opens up the game for Valiant. Also stuffs Garg - an annoying mon for HO

Stall - There's a reason why that Hatterene is Stored Power - it 6-0s stall or it baits Tera Dark from Blissey/Clod immediately. In case of latter, it means their Dondozo can't Tera Fighting, after which Tera Dark Kingambit (along side Ogerpon-W) can comfortably beat stall. The worst variant of stall this team can face is Tera Dark Blissey/Clod + Sinischa + bulky Fighting type

Bulky Hazard stack - again offensive pressure + timely Taunt from Lando and Hatt Magic Bounce switch in

[clever berry]

HO always needs Dragons?

First time I hear that

[gritty lake]

Dnite and kyurem are so busted

Ig they're not mandatory

But they're just so so good

Maybe on webs you don't need them

[clever berry]

Pinkacross loved this team
I take their opinion more seriously than yours

[clever berry]

Pex in SV OU

Alomomola ended its career

[stiff dagger]

Dude you put your team in rate my team and I said I liked it but saw holes
I am getting the impression you are mad at me for that

[stiff dagger]

true

pivot god that thing

[clever berry]

Decent and Like are same thing? Anyway, nvm
All good

I answered all your concerns

Sound good?

[stiff dagger]

Going through this:
fair enough, I can't think of any good fire types in ou that would really punish this anyway
neat tech I like that
I see the anti stall vision, I was trying to figure out what the breaking core was and I must've missed it
That should give you a good answer to most bulky hazard stack I just personally hate relying on hatt and getting pivoted on

[stiff dagger]

yeah sorry, to me decent means a good team just not like totally sealed against meta threats

wasn't trying to throw shade

[clever berry]

Sorry if I was aggresive

[stiff dagger]

nah all good I see how I came off

have fun with scizor I love that thing

[clever berry]

For sure
Another gen where its back in OU
This guy is one of the Smogon OU GOATs after Zapdos, Ttar

Tbh this HO can be a really good blueprint for many other HOs if you replace Scizor with stuff like Weavile, Dragonite etc..

[stiff dagger]

My favorite type is bug so I have a big love for the few that can get it done in OU

[stiff dagger]

I can def see that

I'd prefer swapping it for dragonite over weavile just for the priority though

[clever berry]

Both have priority

But yeah Dragonite is better at that

Weavile is better at breaking though with Knock off and Triple Axel

[stiff dagger]

this is true

I just have a distrust of ice shard killing things lol

[clever berry]

Even SD H-Samurott is a nice idea for Hazard Stack HO

[stiff dagger]

yeah having hazards would be nice for this team

[clever berry]

But yeah, I think Priority is most important on that slot for opponent offenses
Coz Booster Valiant and Sucker Punch Gambit are the only forms of speed control

Former is a one-time boost, latter is so damn conditional

[stiff dagger]

I agree

Don't know what I would trade for hazards anyway

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/5eca921f1ae67b83

[trail whale]

What's the goal with the team here

Meow + Scor + Mola screams spikestack balance, but Glimmora and AV Raging Bolt are very awkward there. Not to mention you don't have a Ghost type and using Band Meow which wouldn't fit in as well.

[trail whale]

No, that's false

I'll say though, surely another ground immunity and having a stronger lead over Lando is ideal.

[tender lark]

i was told that meowscarada should be built in a bulky hazards stack balance team so i tried to do that

[trail whale]

Yeah, usually with boots spam

https://pokepast.es/9a7f780862533fde this was an old sample team to give you an idea, as I said Glimmora and Raging Bolt seem very awkward

[tender lark]

so who i put instead of glimmora and bolt

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/ff78f309cd9d6b9b

[regal ginkgo]

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[elder knoll]

Uh

Use the samples

[nocturne sable]

Some of these sets are unviable like that life orb wish clefable set and AV body press volcanion

[turbid kelp]

Yeah definitely agree on the clefable not feeling... good but that av volcanion felt amazing for the 4 games (yeah I know not a lot of games) that I tested it in, changed the team to this https://pokepast.es/182b3bad124e3d83

[queen saddle]

Sample.

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/b188f4dbc5245053

[north nimbus]

Use mystic water on barra so u don’t own urself

Hoenstly bettr off with raging botl and ting Lu > keld and thundy rest of the squad looks fine

[sonic finch]

am i cooking with this or am i deep fried?
https://pokepast.es/8e7273ea892f889e

[regal ginkgo]

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[north nimbus]

Honestly outside of the ballade this team is solid

[sonic finch]

built around gallade but if i change the core mon, what should i use instead?

[north nimbus]

Me thinks u make this boots spams, do ting Lu > treads, and then zama > gallade, also do toxic on gking > twave and make this Tera grass gking normal lowkey makes u load worse agaisnt mons u wanna beat and make this bulky np dengo for a wincon

[sonic finch]

i did tera normal bc my pult mu was nearly horendous but ill consider the rest, ty for suggestions

wait like offensive zama or ironpress?

[north nimbus]

Uhhh

I would go aoa zama with fang last

[north nimbus]

Yeah that’s why you want more concrete ghost resist fwiw

[sonic finch]

lowk i do fs

[sonic finch]

when u say fang imma assume ice fang

[north nimbus]

Ye

[sonic finch]

i jst realized i have no knocker :/

[north nimbus]

Gliscor is really annoying

Ahh you’ll be fine with rai tricking stuff tbh

[sonic finch]

rai tricks once tho

[north nimbus]

Actually

Since zama is good enough for speed control could lowkey make this knock boots rai

[sonic finch]

uhmmm pult eat my entire team for breakfast

and i cannot fit priority anywhere rn

maybe - molt for glis or something?

[north nimbus]

Did u not add Lu?

[sonic finch]

yeah i did

turns out drag has a move called uturn

funny how 9/10 bros teamate is a zama that ccs me until i die

being once 💀

[north nimbus]

Going gliscor actually makes this worse vs kyurem imo, albeit also worse at checking zama , tho if you it’s a must go for it

[sonic finch]

thats something i have to consider

[north nimbus]

If ur concern about wisp this should anyways be Tera fire zama, also lowkey make this Tera grass molt cause woger mu is very scarce

[sonic finch]

nah not concerned w wisp i have a immune

and 2 absorbers too

going back and forth btween dark and steel

bruh i jst realized i was running 1 hazard

sr or spikes on lu?

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/1e6978ae2f6b2070 how is this team?

[sonic finch]

cinderace does not count as hazard removal for kyurem

tusk instead of lando if u wanna keep kyurem

[north nimbus]

Ngl this squad is nearly indentical to an old sample with zapdos > gking

[hollow perch]

With rocks and spin on tusk?

[sonic finch]

if u really want to keep kyurem on ur team

which ion suggest bc not enough support

[sonic finch]

gang sr or spikes?

[north nimbus]

On ?

[sonic finch]

tinglu

[north nimbus]

Rocks

[sonic finch]

i was running spikes 😭

[north nimbus]

U always want rocks first

[regal ginkgo]

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[tender lark]

also i tried these changes for the other team and idk if its a skill issue or something but the team feels like its carried by dnite and the others aren't doing a lot, specifically ogerpon, i feel like it would be better to put something for steel types instead of oger cause dnite is struggling against them since im running eq tera fairy blast roost dd, and its getting walled pretty often

[stone sierra]

This channel doesn’t help with unfinished temas

[tender lark]

oh mb where do i post that then

[stone sierra]

Ask for help in comp gen

[tender lark]

alright thanks

[trail whale]

I think it's fine it was a 5mon team
You could always just throw a filler slot saying "unsure about last slot" and get the same result

[tender lark]

alright so https://pokepast.es/fe7c01989d32d6b6 was suggested ting lu as a rocker but idk, also considering changing alomomola for more dmg?

[wooden linden]

lu iirc dont really run bp

at least not without massive def ev investment

whirlwind should be fine over it

[tender lark]

alright

[wooden linden]

scizor should prob have knock over uturn as well

if youre going to sd its usually not worth pivoting out

[tender lark]

mhm makes sense

[wooden linden]

you can also make the pech bulkier with no special attack investment here

pech relies mostly on bulk vs certain targets like wellspring

running enough speed for jolly gambit should be fine

and you can put the rest in bulk

[tender lark]

ig but i feel like i lack dmg on the team

or not?

[wooden linden]

dmg should be fine

band meow plus hazard stack is very strong

though tbh boots meow should be fine

[tender lark]

thanks ill try some games with the changes later

[dry folio]

Before anyone asks, yes I’m trying to use only future paradox pokemon

[tender lark]

idk if its a skill issue but yeah i feel like i lack dmg on the team, i played a couple of games and it feels like if i lose meowscarada i just can't do anything

[empty verge]

Ah paradox only team? Yeah I can’t really rate this with arbitrary restrictions

[dry folio]

ah

Also apparently I can’t use iron crown so

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/d8294aa7c8c100fb also i wanted to ask about this team, i feel like it would be better to replace ogerpon with something that counters steel and flying types that wall my dnite

[elder knoll]

I assume you’re trying to make a Volt-turn hazard stack?

[tender lark]

i just like banded meowscarada

whatever team that is

and i want it built mainly by me cause i find awkward playing other peoples teams tbh

[elder knoll]

Well looking at the paste I see a couple of issues

• Your meow has no removal support

• your best knock absorber is Gliscor which loses to most knockers

• You don’t really have a response to gambit

I’d personally blow up the team and rebuild from a breaking core

[tender lark]

owh alright

[elder knoll]

Something like Dragapult + Meow could be good

as a starting point

Or Meow + Ghold could also be good

[tender lark]

i like gold

[elder knoll]

Since banded Meow tends to be on more aggressive structures

So you have Meow + Ghold

you obviously need removal so tusk could be good here

[tender lark]

alright

i have tusk on every team i built wtf

i hate him

[elder knoll]

lol

[tender lark]

builds a team without tusk for the first time, nvm put tusk back in

[elder knoll]

Do you know what set you want Ghold to be?

both NP + Scarf could be valid here

[tender lark]

whats np

[elder knoll]

Depending on the vision you have for the team

Nasty plot

Meow can u-turn Ghold in against metal birds

So it can set up

scarf is also good for the speed control

[tender lark]

yeah that makes sense

imma go nasty plot for now

[elder knoll]

Alright

[tender lark]

last move recover?

[elder knoll]

yeah that works

Focus blast or Psyshock could also be good

if you wanna mess with stall

[tender lark]

@elder knoll if you can continue help me can we take this to dms to not flood the rmt chat

[somber obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/bc020bb36297bbd7

heatran

[stone sierra]

Sub tect kyurem looks really threatening here

[nocturne sable]

Honestly what’s scarf enam doing here? I don’t think it fits your team that well

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/69ddb8658691a193 so i went on my own for the last 3 mons lmk if i should change anything

[somber obsidian]

speed control n zama tbh

[nocturne sable]

I mean, it kinda just blanks into common fairie resist like glowking, moltres, etc and it’s not the most reliable zama answer as it can lose to Tera steel heavy slam and stone edge variants

[low phoenix]

you forgot to add teras

team looks pretty fine imo but ice spinner over knock off tusk is better for gliscor and dnite

[tender lark]

Oh shit yeah i do that a lot

[low phoenix]

and change play rough on zama to stone edge

[tender lark]

Alright thanks

[low phoenix]

idk any zama that uses play rough

you can do hdb or expert belt on zama for some longetivity so you dont take 10% each attack

[plucky hare]

I just made a new team

https://pokepast.es/122e4a477bc0e775

[regal ginkgo]

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[trail whale]

Ting Lu > Lando and Twave on Gking seems better here, team looks a bit too fat for a Lando comp and benefits from having some way to handle faster Pokemon like Booster Val/Moth

Mola still loves boots

[plucky hare]

thx

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/34a32c0a4423bea2 mixed DD Kyurem offense

I dunno if Lando + Hamu would automatically make this hazard stack

I wasn’t necessarily trying to make hazard stack, I just thought that Hamu + Lando would be good for this team

[plucky hare]

so was my team somewhat decent?

[rare orchid]

https://pokepast.es/601aaac6feb3a68b
Made this on a whim with Iron Treads as the focal point, just want a second opinion before I start testing it out

it'd help if I had a bit more direction, this team is a lot more of an "idea" than practical

[elder knoll]

This looks like an offensive hazard stack?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/e7c61ec11be4b76c

been testing this team for days now, not bad but one MU that has been annoying the most is the dragon match up

[elder knoll]

I think you might benefit from dropping one of your utility guys for one more aggressive guy

[elder knoll]

you could try replacing Woger for Rockpon

maybe

it's cudgel is neutral to dragons instead of resisted

[nocturne sable]

Hmm rockpon is definitely not a bad idea offensively, but waterpons defensively utility might be missed such as blocking mola, etc

Or I can just run play rough Ogerpon

And make life easier

[elder knoll]

that to

[rare orchid]

this honestly helped a lot, thanks!

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/411b1eb6eb33b5d0

[regal ginkgo]

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[clever berry]

I'm no rater

But I think you might struggle to break vs stall
Which is why your Kingambit can be Tera Dark with Kowtow Cleave

Also you could replace Knock off with Stealth Rock on Tusk to pressure stall with even more hazard chip - Samurott already knocks off

Raging Bolt looks very tough to switch into

While it gets to easily switch in to Samurott and Moltres

Maybe SpDef Gliscor over Moltres?

[cold cosmos]

want to use tera blast fairy tbh

[clever berry]

Oh
In that case, maybe Ogerpon over Samurott-H and Scarf Latios maybe?
I'll leave it to our expert raters now

[cold cosmos]

fair

[cold cosmos]

not a bad idea

[clever berry]

Gliscor can Spike anyway

But still, wait for a rater

[cold cosmos]

ok

[clever berry]

https://pokepast.es/9b6b1bde79b92bfd - a bit unconventional, but so much fun

Also, its high time pokepaste adds Hisui mons

As well as other new ones

[gritty lake]

But then the fastest pokemon is ogerpon/latios

[clever berry]

Scarf Latios is fast enough

Only Booster Valiant and Scarf Darkrai are faster

But they can handle them both with Pecha and Gambit resp

[wooden linden]

should be fine for speed

fairies do look very scary vs this team

pech can be overwhelmed really easy with brute force

[gritty lake]

I'm talking about immortals team

[bright plinth]

Guys, is the walking wake build any good, or can it be changed? https://pokepast.es/2276e789cc6ac18f

i feel like draco meteor is not doing anything

[wooden linden]

i'd just put flamethrower over dragon pulse here

[bright plinth]

really ?

[wooden linden]

draco is fine here tbh

you need smth to kill wellspring

[bright plinth]

true

but pulse was really good

[wooden linden]

pulse is good as a mid ground sometimes yeah

flamethrower tends to take advantage of the sun boost more often than not

[bright plinth]

maybe i am using meteor wrong

[wooden linden]

wake can be pretty reliant on prediction against certain teams

like vs a wellspring

[bright plinth]

alright, what about ninetales is the build good

[wooden linden]

ninetales is fine

[bright plinth]

okay thanks a lot

[hot dome]

Don’t post teams that aren’t your own, especially if they’re samples

[wooden linden]

oh thats why it looked familiar

sun structures tend to be similar ish enough

[gritty lake]

its a sample

[gritty lake]

"by ctc"

but yea

[clever berry]

Maybe Glowking or Gholdengo then?

[wooden linden]

ghold works yeah

bulky ghold should be fine

[clever berry]

So Ghold doesn't get overwhelmed? And Pecha does?

[wooden linden]

Ghold has much better special bulk

It can also twave and make it rain

Its generally less reliant on malignant chances to take on smth like a enam or a prim

Plus you needed smth better to switch into kyu other than tera steel lati so air balloon bulky ghold does the trick

[clever berry]

I went for NP STABs Recover
Do you recommend Hex Twave set?

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/1d00903a27f65152 built this team in a few minutes, tested a few games, doesn’t seem that bad at a glance

I should prob be running boots weavile though, but I think gweez is good removal

Tera ghost ting Lu for tusk maybe

[wooden linden]

You could go twave but your team is already fast enough

Bulky np is fine

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/fc97d787ba6eef20 i beg of you to let me keep garchomp 🙏

[low phoenix]

garchomp team #10000

[elder knoll]

😭

[low phoenix]

seriously tho have you tried life orb garchomp yet

[elder knoll]

or dual hazards Chomp

[low phoenix]

or garchomp on veils

[gritty lake]

i sent one previously yall told me to remove it

[gritty lake]

i hv a team brought to spl which has it

[low phoenix]

i havent been paying attention recently

you mean the team already built by an established elite player but with one mon replaced with chomp

[gritty lake]

no it was built around chomp

wait lemme find it

https://pokepast.es/8930addd463fec9f

[low phoenix]

bro this aint veils

[gritty lake]

Oh nvm

I thought u were asking Abt lo

[trail whale]

Okay

[paper chasm]

lo chomp that isn't mixed is lame

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/9d89a83adc1c95f5

Sun HO with TR and erupt torkoal, I always lead hatterene and use tr and 1 attack on hatterene before healing wish to torkoal so it can erupt and the rest of the mons can sweep/clean up

[regal ginkgo]

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[compact saddle]

What the fuck Paul...

[odd pine]

https://pokepast.es/1632fed29713d345 - heyo, webs HO with double spinblock (pecha plus ghold) and gren - set webs with araq and keep in pocket for custap bs later and proceed to break with bolt gren and ghold

not sure if double spinblock is the best but would appreciate any feedback

[clever berry]

I love chomp
but why tf does tusk have no ground attack?

Also stall looks very rough - G weez or Dozo can just Tera Grass and wall Ogerpon-W
Atleast make Gholdengo have Psyshock so that it can bait Tera Dark on Blissey

[odd pine]

so far keldeo or prim can be annoying if araq is dead but haven't noticed anything major

[clever berry]

I was also thinking what if I replace Dengo with Rocks SpDef Heatran (or maybe even offensive since Hamu tanks special hits already) to bolster the fairy matchup even more?

In that case, since I lose physical bulk, I can make Tusk bulky (with Knock over Rocks)

[gritty lake]

Head smash can beat bee/araq and the recoil can be good to act as a suicide lead

And yea I'm considering psyshock ghold

To force blissey to tera

[clever berry]

Head Smash is very cool

Why Taunt?

[hot dome]

if this is webs ho you need to lean into it, stacking boots isnt the play and neither is running scarf mons

frankly, this is more a bulky offense teams with a webs setter

[clever berry]

On BO, T wave is your webs

Webs is purest form of HO

[hot dome]

this team isn't really fixable, and i would recommend using a sample team for now: you seem new to the tier

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

Building can be quite difficult if you don't have the experience in the tier, so I would use a sample to ladder and learn the tier first

[gritty lake]

Good to hv on any lead to prevent set up or hazards

[odd pine]

fair enough, laddered with a pinka hazard stack before deciding i wanted to try building a team

[wide valve]

https://pokepast.es/3168d948c569fe12 R8 please

Team is based around specs raging bolt. Would love it if notable weaknesses within the structure of the team are pointed out

[elder knoll]

you would benefit from an actual win con

[wide valve]

Zamazenta was previously run with an iron defense set, worked well enough. Only problem was that tspikes absolutely decimated me so I switched to boots instead

and how is specs bolt not a win con?

[elder knoll]

how does specs bolt clean up a game on its own

[stone sierra]

If you want webs this one is p good https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-3-2062-elo-zodiac-webs-a-webstacular-6.3764214/

[wide valve]

We have oger and Zama how isn't that enough?

[elder knoll]

both Woger and boots zama are breakers

they lack speed (Woger) or power (Zama) to actually close out a game

[wide valve]

there are plenty of ways to win I don't see the point forcing sd or something I'd it doesn't work

[wide valve]

Zama has an amazing speed tier not to mention I have priority

[elder knoll]

bro 😭

do you know what a win con is

[wide valve]

bro I get what ur trying to say but u are putting anything behind ur argument

I asked for my team to be rated u telling me I don't have a win con doesn't help

[elder knoll]

that's the flaw with your team

you don't have a proper win condition

😭

[clever berry]

Your name checks out

[wide valve]

then tell me what to change? Ur being redundant

[clever berry]

Maybe CM on Hatt over AV

[stone sierra]

Can’t wait for faya to awaken from their coma

[clever berry]

Btw, idk why both Corv and Hatt are needed

None of your mons are very hazard weak

[wide valve]

bruh I have a woger and a bootless bolt wdym "not very hazard weak"?

[wide valve]

specs kyurem wipes

[clever berry]

You don't need 2 anti-hazard mons for that

If you had Band Weavile or Specs Kyurem, I could understand

[wide valve]

😐

[hot dome]

its 2 am ffs

luna can you take this i need to sleep

[stone sierra]

Sounds like a you problem
I feel like I don’t see you here anymore

[trail whale]

Sleep well!

[clever berry]

Are you trying balance or BO here?

[hot dome]

thanks

[stone sierra]

Oh true Gn

[wide valve]

bo

[clever berry]

Corv and Zama seem redundant together then

Go for Booster Valiant

Gives you a wincon as well

I feel this team is too slow for BO

[wide valve]

yeah Ive ran into trouble with defensive fairy types so Val doesn't really help

[clever berry]

Since you have trouble with Kyurem and Fairies, get Scizor
Maybe even Balloon Gholdengo or Kingambit
One of these over Hatterene

Your team seems more balance than BO rn
Except Bolt, no real offensive pressure
Even Ogerpon-W isn't SD

And Bolt can't wallbreak vs everything

It's incredibly prediction reliant

Ting Lu is too common for it as well
Treads is a thing too

[wide valve]

fairy Garg and blissey is about it

[clever berry]

I like strong Volt Switches
But you need more breaking power

[trail whale]

Tbh I don't think team needs a wincon, strong enough to win games

But a lot of the slots seem redundant, Corv + Hatt being the main one.

I think a good start is Glowking > Hatt, a longer term Kyurem check since your team is on the slower end, and can do Weather Ball on Bolt if you want!

After that you have quite a few options: like Tusk + ID Corv, running set up Ghold/Gambit + Gliscor, dropping Ogerpon for Valiant favouring speed control, etc.

[clever berry]

Ting Lu and Treads are much more of a problem

They block Volt switch

[clever berry]

Glowking also helps vs Fairies they have trouble with

[wide valve]

thank you

[trail whale]

I did suggest a couple of wincons at the end but that's just because they're effective on the team and easy to fit, wouldn't recommend actively look to have a wincon before you have a team you're satisfied with

[clever berry]

Tusk/Gliscor over what?

[wide valve]

https://pokepast.es/58a418a9c3d85ad4 the team previously looked like this instead. The reason why gliscor was even on the team in the first place is cuz the sd facade set is amazing with specs bolt and checks basically all its threats. I dropped it mainly due to the fact that I couldn't figure out a proper stealth rocker which I need for kyurem so I just ended up changing that gliscor set to a more common one. Then I just did that since ting Lu is so much better at getting rocks up I'd run that over gliscor

and changed alo to woger

[wooden linden]

Id say bolt doesnt really need to be max speed here tbh

Outspeeding ada gambit is good enough here

[wide valve]

yeah I changed it to modest on the newer version

[wide valve]

^

[wooden linden]

You prob also want a ghost resist here

Any dark type should work but im thinking darkrai

Wisp knock rai is pretty good at wearing down bulkier teams

I'd say rai over alo potentially since being wellspring food is pretty undesirable

Refering to old team btw

[wide valve]

yeah I see that

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/6639fb9d4c87ed0d
made a prim BO, is rai enough as a ghost resist? Unsure about how the team does vs ghold

[wooden linden]

Gambit over rai def helps here

Scarf lando is good enough speed

Bulky gambit works here i feel

[stone sierra]

Shame
I hate gambit, I see how it works tho

[gritty lake]

Cooked by idbp zama I'm afraid

[stone sierra]

That’s what tera flying blast Lando is for, tho it’s not that reliable

[gritty lake]

It's not reliable yea

And if zama has enough ID's it won't even matter

[north nimbus]

Idt it’s that weak to zama, if anything it’s it least of its worries, tho tinka lowkey does feels random here

[stone sierra]

It’s for rai and kyurem

Feels really good into both

[clever berry]

That tusk set is.......

different

[stone sierra]

Already have a strong ground

I like the longevity, lets me spin more

[clever berry]

Yeah but rock slide over ice spinner

and body press

body press is interesting

its so bulky def

and gets stab

[stone sierra]

Birds :(

[clever berry]

I'd rather stuff Gliscor than Moltres

Moltres is Knock off bait

[stone sierra]

That’s what kyurem is forever

[clever berry]

Gliscor is always more obnoxius

[clever berry]

Gliscor isn't staying in on Kyurem

[north nimbus]

I mean you already have prima, gambit for em, tho extra assurance is nice even tho iron moth ironically looks mad annoying agaisnt this

Also yeah gliscor kinda blows this

[stone sierra]

So remove tink and rai for gambit and?

Or should I just change the tusk set

[north nimbus]

well gambit gives u a real ghost resist

Or something like Lu also works helps immensely vs bolt

[stone sierra]

Feel like doubling on dark types is a bit much, is there smth else I should add?

[north nimbus]

I’m saying instead of gambit Lu, and then some else over tinka ideally a knocker

[stone sierra]

I’m guessing Scizor so specs freeze dry kyurem doesn’t nuke the entire team?

[alpine hornet]

@odd pine i would argue it is fixable, though you'd have to make a few significant changes i think most of them are set based - just pick one of ghold or dengo and make it plot, drop the other for a webs abuser, make bolt and tusk booster, and honestly you could try gren here or some other water/dark guy like pon/gambit

i think inherently "fixable" is ofc up to rater discretion but webs is usually a straightforward enough style that ive rather give u a team inspired by your creation than point u to samples

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/7501a1ca72287378
Make bandorus great again

[regal ginkgo]

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[wooden linden]

Turns out scarf lando wasnt that needed

So i just opted to do band for a breaker

I also decided to fully mess with samu since without encore val i needed smth that could reliably fight terad gambit

[gritty lake]

It was never great to begin with tho 👀

[trail whale]

This looks weird to me
I feel like it's a regular Offense team but you change the Lando set
Surely you'd want better pivots and sturdier defensive mons considering its speed tier + main stab having an immunity

[wooden linden]

band lando is good enough for a pivot here

The team rn mostly relies on resistances to tank some hits

I already had rocks treads so not much of a point for defensive lando

And lando exerts enough pressure to be able to uturn every once in a while

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/9d89a83adc1c95f5

Sun HO with TR and erupt torkoal, I suicide lead hatterene and use tr and 1 attack on hatterene before healing wish to torkoal so it can erupt and the rest of the mons can sweep/clean up

(reupload/recomment)

[wooden linden]

trick room and sun dont really mix well together unfortunately

you really have to go fully trick room to get the 5 turns worth it

plus the torkoal isnt really doing enough with eruption without a really big boost

i'd honestly just make the hatt standard eject button with a bulky hp invested torkoal for a functional sun team

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/c155baae37cb6b70 dd kyurem team is it fine

[wooden linden]

kyu should be jolly here

i'd also say alo generally doesnt fit in with the playstyle / archetype

[tender lark]

i like the first 3

[wooden linden]

hmm

if you want to keep the first 3 i'd say you can prob change the playstyle here

to smth more akin to BO

[tender lark]

so who do i change valiant?

or the whole other 3

[wooden linden]

the val should be fine here tbh

if you really wanna keep alo then av should be the set here

lets you function a little better as a pivot

[tender lark]

eeh we can drop alo then cause i put it in specifically so it can wish the first two

[wooden linden]

alright thats fine

there is a bit of a ghost issue vs this team

since theres no dark type here

so smth like an av samu should work out here

it lets you play around ghost types a lot easier here

plus it can help with hazard setting

[tender lark]

what ghost type would be an issue tho

[wooden linden]

gholdengo

[tender lark]

pult and ghold get both checked by tera fire dd kyurem or no?

[wooden linden]

yeah but you cant really switch in is the problem

the ghosts can play around you way easier this way

[tender lark]

mmh ig

[wooden linden]

also you may need to change the tera types for your mons btw

[tender lark]

owh i keep forgetting

this set is fine or something else?

[wooden linden]

that set is good enough yeah

i'd say you go a bit bulkier with av here

[tender lark]

alright i put it instead of alo, any other changes

[tender lark]

hp instead of atk?

[wooden linden]

nah you dont need that much speed here is the thing

Samurott-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Razor Shell
• Sucker Punch
• Knock Off
  this spread is usually the standard for av samu

you can put flip turn over knock btw

[tender lark]

alright ty

[wooden linden]

another issue that could be annoying is that you dont have a ground immunity here

i'd say most likely you'll need to take val out here for smth else

since you sorta need tusk to spin

is scarf enam alright for you as speed control here

[tender lark]

enamorus

oh we were thinking the same thing lol

yeah i like it

damn does it not have a flying move

[wooden linden]

enam doesnt really need it yeah

moonblast generally gets the job done here

the flying type is more of a defensive advantage

[tender lark]

so earth power sludge and?

[wooden linden]

earth power mystical fire moonblast healing wish imo

[tender lark]

oh

[wooden linden]

scizor will usually handle fairies so sludge isnt really needed

mystical fire is nice against steels like gholdengo or corv

for the last slot i think we can take the bolt out here

since we already have an av samu av bolt isnt gonna be that required here

[tender lark]

yeah

another pivot?

[wooden linden]

im thinking of adding a ghost as a spinblocker here

pech works for that role yeah

[tender lark]

mmh alright

what item boots?

[wooden linden]

you can do boots or air balloon

air balloon lets you spin block rapid spinners like tusk easier

[tender lark]

what tera

[wooden linden]

tera ghost is fine here

[tender lark]

https://pokepast.es/e5afb58ddcf05842 so this, also should i change the tera on scizor? i was thinking fire to stop burn but maybe steel for the bp?

[wooden linden]

tera fire is fine yeah

also i'd prob make pech max speed max hp here

since tusk is already max bulk you can afford to not need all the bulk in exchange for speed

[tender lark]

alright

is it better to run speed and not slow parting shot tho?

like if a tusk runs knock after getting spin blocked and i parting shot and lose another item instead of the balloon on pech

[wooden linden]

you can run max bulk here

its mostly player preference

[tender lark]

yeah i like the slow parting shot better

[wooden linden]

ok i think that should be about it here

you can test the team out on ladder and tweak anything if neccesary

[viscid leaf]

https://pokepast.es/7039637d6bce390f what you guys think?

[regal ginkgo]

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[viscid leaf]

Thinking of using hatt instead of clefable and go rocks tusk

[tacit bluff]

hrmmm

this team kinda struggles into fat in the long run

lots of your pieces are anti offence or offence mons that struggle into fatter squads

this looks like BO but your sweepers are p weak

sinis and clef ain't rly enough

[viscid leaf]

Any ideas on what should i change?

[languid tendon]

i'd use rocks on tusk over knock off

knock is just okay on tusk right now

kyurem mu is not the best even more so when tera elec

same with moth

i'll build it because im not the best with words

https://pokepast.es/dbda3148174461b1 @viscid leaf its not to much better but i wanted to keep the 4 core mons while upgrading the offense and defense

i added ghold since its more of hazard stack offense

hsam with scarf sucker for better kyurem mu only major weaknesses i see are still somewhat moth and manaphy but manaphy is fake

[hot dome]

this team isn't very good

in particular, your wlelspring mu is horrendous

no idea why moltres is tera ground

[languid tendon]

thats true

idk why i like to think twaving woger with ghold is solid mu into it

[hot dome]

its really not

[hot dome]

this team is a really weird mix between bo and balance where you have more offensive defensive pieces, but also more defneisve offensive pieces
clef and molt usually rely on a bulkier team around it for the balance styles they fit on, while av hamurott and defensive tusk usually pair up with more offensive pieces for the bo teams they are on
honestly, there isn't a very clean fix for this, but you could try:
tusk to an offensive boots set
scarf hamurott
pivot pecharunt over sinistcha
pivot gking over clef
tera dragon molt
specs/boots kyurem over scizor
this should at least fix some of your problems

[languid tendon]

im guessing they did tera ground molt for tera electric kyu mu

[hot dome]

well its not good

[viscid leaf]

actually i play mostly nat dex and when tera was allowed tera ground was good to snipe things like koko, bolt, heatran with scorching sands and go around rock weakness in case of knock.

so i just defaulted that tera ground is the best moltres tera even though it doesn't apply to OU

[nocturne sable]

Well I mean stuff like koko aren’t really in SV OU so it’s going to be a bit different

Right now Ogerpon-wellspring is the premier threat so Tera types like grass, etc are the most common

[languid tendon]

ngl i feel like gambit is the premier threat of the tier but wellspring is the BO killer

dlc 2 BO took a big drop in viabilty with woger coming in

[languid tendon]

i like tera dragon molt the most

[worn lark]

:3 (Sylveon) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wish
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Hyper Voice

:3 (Ceruledge) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bitter Blade
• Destiny Bond
• Shadow Sneak
• Will-O-Wisp

=_= (Iron Crown) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Future Sight
• Tachyon Cutter
• Brick Break
• Volt Switch

:) (Iron Valiant) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Moonblast
• Vacuum Wave
• Knock Off
• Encore

<3 (Walking Wake) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Scald
• Draco Meteor
• Knock Off
• Flip Turn

;3 (Maushold-Four) @ Wide Lens
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Bite
• Tidy Up
• Thunder Wave

first real team i've tried to make!

[clever berry]

Ogerpon-W can be handled by BO defensively using Dragons like Bolt, Kyurem, Dragonite (Play Rough is a bitch but they all can 1v1) as well as Zama

It's a narrow list for sure. But also, Ogerpon-W doesn't get safe switchins vs a well built BO and gets RKed by Pult, Valiant, Zama after minimum chip.

[worn lark]

brb

[worn lark]

idk i tried something balance-ish with sylveon and iVal

[clever berry]

Ogerpon-W is broken but necessary to keep Gliscor in line

[worn lark]

I’m not THAT new to competitive and i’m still shocked that lando-t and gliscor can comfortably tank almost any non-stab ice move

[stone sierra]

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[worn lark]

Oh ok

[stone sierra]

This team is very sub optimal, please use some sample teams to get used to the meta before building on your own

!svousamples

Ugh wrong command

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[worn lark]

Any glaring flaws you see?

[worn lark]

I’ve been using one of pinkacross’s dragonite teams with some small adjustments for a while so i decided to make my own :/

But yeah i do need more experience

[final relic]

no hazards or removal, no setup besides maushold, some generally bad sets (ceru with no sd? twave maus?)

sylveon is also just a generally awful pokemon in sv ou so there's that too

none of your mons have any real breaking power besides specs wake either

[worn lark]

Aight i’ll keep all those in mind

(( tidy up is removal no?

[worn lark]

Yeah fair…

[final relic]

er mb

yeah you do have that at least

[worn lark]

Dont know what i was cooking with the sets yeah

I’m not sure what to replace in cereludge’s moveset because all 3 moves have been big in winning games (obviously im keeping bitter blade)

[final relic]

sd bitter blade shadow sneak poltergeist is the usual

poltergeist can be swapped for cc in some cases

[worn lark]

Hm ok

[final relic]

what direction are you trying to take this

[worn lark]

Yeah… I guess alolomola is the premier wish passer?

[final relic]

since many of these (or a better standin) could easily fit on an HO

[worn lark]

I don’t really wanna do an HO tho :/

idk, i tried playing an HO team but i always find normal offense works best for me

[final relic]

that's a little more challenging because you would have to probably get rid of more of these mons to make it work whatsoever

[worn lark]

Yeah…

[final relic]

but some of them work fine like av iron crown (don't use brick break on it)

[worn lark]

I just don’t really like playing extreme archetypes

[worn lark]

K

(Why tf did i choose brick break

Anti screens i think? Idk there’s probably better coverage

[final relic]

generally focus blast is used

[worn lark]

:/

I know cause i read the smogon page for it but

I

Hate moves that have under 90% accuracy

I’ve genuinely think i’ve never hit focus blast while playing rando

[worn lark]

For the setup thing, maybe a calm mind set instead? I’d have to commit to a special set then tho

[final relic]

on crown?

hm

ok

[worn lark]

On ival lol

[final relic]

@alpine hornet get over here i Saw you pop up on the online list

[worn lark]

The av works fine from what i’ve seen

It’s also the crown set ive seen the most by far

[alpine hornet]

bro was on me in 3 seconds 😭 holy stalker

[final relic]

anyway valiant has a variety of moves it can run

[alpine hornet]

potato more like celery

the way he stalks

anyways uh

[final relic]

you obviously have cm/moonblast in the first 2 slots but after that you can have any of like

shadow ball tbolt encore psyshock

[worn lark]

Ye

(Do i keep the booster speed?

[alpine hornet]

this team almost seems like ho, but you want hazards, sylveon is not real (what little niche it could argue for itself has faded post moon ban), and wake doesnt fit here especially with specs, and im not sure if maus is the move on this specific squad either

[final relic]

yeah thats what i was trying to say but its 2:47 am and i cant string together that amount of concise words in my head

[alpine hornet]

potato go tf to bed

[worn lark]

I mean

I could throw out half the team but at the same time at that point it might be better to start from scratch

[final relic]

if you're unconcerned with the specific mons theres nothing wrong with coming back with something more dedicated to a specific archetype later

[alpine hornet]

i think if you want to salvage as much as possible the move is drop sylv for araq drop maus for a different physical sweeper and then just change the sets on the other guys and you have a decent webs

[final relic]

this just seems very unfocused right now

[stone sierra]

Ngl same I have Muay Thai practice tmr I shouldn’t be up 😭

[final relic]

well,

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/2ff01abebbf5a860 still enough time to rate my prim heat tho

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

tusk walled by every ghost in the tier is fascinating

[final relic]

this is a very not good tusk

i have no clue why you are flying blast here the gliscor matchup is already shit enough

[stone sierra]

Just wanted some longevity on my removal tbh

[stone sierra]

zam and pon

[alpine hornet]

there is no longevity here 😭 everything outspeeds this and half of em hit it for a million, ur a tusk that cant check bolt, spin on anything, and dies to half the tier even harder

also yeah fix tusk and go iceblast lando and turn on pult and like this looks tentatively fine?

[final relic]

that like sorta helps vs pon but anybody with half a brain will see the tusk and landorus on the same team with grand total of 0 speed control and go hm.

i wonder if the lando is gonna click tb flying

[stone sierra]

The Lando with a scarf is speed control😭

[final relic]

that's

[alpine hornet]

and also go pech over gking here

[final relic]

what i'm saying

[alpine hornet]

wait then u lose to moth

nvm

i think this kind of structure is just inherently flawed

[final relic]

you cant rely on it to be the sole waterpon check

[stone sierra]

Specs kyurem

[alpine hornet]

lando + tusk is overlap u dont need

[stone sierra]

Tusk to corv then? Honestly tusk is just there for speed control

I mean

Removal

Damnit

[stone sierra]

.

[clever berry]

Why is Scarf Lando needed when Pult and Gambit already provide speed control?

[final relic]

im also not a fan of the specs pult on 1 remover which cannot actually remove for shit

[clever berry]

1 remover?

wdym

[final relic]

the tusk

is the only hazard removal

[clever berry]

Meh

[final relic]

and it is physically incapable of beating every ghost in the tier

[stone sierra]

So go corv over tusk

Anything else wrong?

[clever berry]

So fucking afraid of hazards now

1 remover is enough

On BO

Balance, yeah

More the better

[final relic]

corv doesn't really fix it that much you still have dengo issue

[clever berry]

Also, not a single remover is flawless

G-Weez can defog on Dengo but get smoked by it

[trail whale]

I think you must make the Tusk more standard w Ice Spinner, that actually helps it spin and Body Press has few relevant targets.

LandoT feels rlly awkward here, Dnite looks the most right here since it looks like youre trying to lean into an offense? Maybe can do Taunt Lando and make the Tusk a Cinderace as anothr approach towards

[final relic]

i was thinking ace is a better option here too

[trail whale]

CM Prim + SD Gambit kinda tells me the team idea was faced paced

[stone sierra]

I just wanted prim

[clever berry]

Wisp on Specs Pult over U-Turn is weird

[stone sierra]

Gambit was a nice ghost resist

[clever berry]

Yeah
That's why 1 remover is enough

[stone sierra]

And prio

[clever berry]

SD Valiant can be a problem here though

Especially late game when Tusk and Prim are chipped

But yeah

It's Valiant

It can beat every team with the right set and tera

[trail whale]

id imagine you have to tera glowking or tusk

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/1ed29a28e49876a1

this is the direction id probably go with the team

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/4e32be847d4406f8 I was thinking this

[clever berry]

Brother, where is the speed?

[stone sierra]

Yeah that was one of my issues when I tried to add kyurem at first

Team was very slow

[stone sierra]

Oh wait no ground

Gdi

[worn lark]

I know the discussions moved on but i wanted to try a more balanceish team :/

i guess mousehold and syl arent that good tho, some other remover like tusk and alolomola maybe

[gritty lake]

I thought roostless dnite is only used on extremely offensive teams

[stone sierra]

A BO sample has it

[gritty lake]

Yea I'm surprised

[final relic]

you have enough bulky pivots and revenge killers to where the matchup should be okay into most stuff

if anything the tusk could be back on rocks duty and have a scarf lando

but yeah a mockup made in like 2 minutes at 3 in the morning will in fact not be my best work

however going with this angle then makes it weak to ironpress zamazenta + tera

[trail whale]

I do think Pult is good on it, fastest mon being Ace can be painful even with priority

[stone sierra]

Should I remove gambit and go sucker ace, then add ting lu?

[final relic]

yeah it could be a specs pult here at the expense of lu matchup

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/f92158c72a8aa92a

Pretend it’s tera water

Figured physdef would be good bc I already have glowking

[gritty lake]

Kyurem

[stone sierra]

Glowking and cinderace for freeze dry

[gritty lake]

Both are weak to ground

[stone sierra]

Dnite

Besides

Pult eats an ep and ohkoes with meteor

[gritty lake]

Who is staying in on meteor

[stone sierra]

They don’t know if I’m specs or sub
Free u turn aswell

[trail whale]

Gking is fine for Kyurem, you can chilly out into Pult and force it out.

if Kyurem comes in enough times to the point its overwhelming regen Gking then youve been outplayed unfort

[azure saffron]

Trying to update an old team (Pre-Roaring moon ban) bc i liked the "feeling of it". How can i adapt it for the current OU state without removing the core pieces? (Hyper offense Ceruledge - https://pokepast.es/0b7c899dc5efc14e)

[thin rose]

https://pokepast.es/ed4ad8559730bd93 @trail whale remember this team? can we add steel on this team against kyurem?

I am not that comfortable dealing with it since I don't have rocks on this team plus no clean switchins

[trail whale]

Which Kyurem sets are you struggling with? At first glance it seems like only Specs is an issue but you're the one experienced in the team.

[thin rose]

The specs one ye

Specs freeze dry almost 6-0 me

So I need a steel but idk whom to pick

[trail whale]

Great Tusk should be rocks here, that alone would be very helpful
I think you'll benefit from making the Tusk Tera Steel as well

[thin rose]

Hmm agree but idk I'm still uncomfortable against Kyurem Matchup, is tinkaton still Viable?

Maybe for pecharunt idk

[trail whale]

Tinkaton is very viable, but I'd be concerned about your Ogerpon match up without Pecharunt

[thin rose]

Aight I'll try tera steel tusk first then I'll get back to you for further adjustments. Thanks a lot!

[trail whale]

Hope it goes well ❤️

[azure saffron]

Bump

[clever berry]

tbh this

if you are playing offense

you can't wall everything

you just have to extert pressure to not let them come in frequently

[wooden linden]

So like

Wheres their steel type

Gking does ok but its usually with smth that resists ice fairly well

[trail whale]

How has Dragapult felt? The Pokemon looks a bit like a Tera hog and overlaps a little with Ceruledge. Dnite gives you a better defensive profile with its bulk and ground immunity while also being a huge threat.

Taunt on Valiant over Encore also looks a bit weird, since Encore is a huge reason mixed Val is so threatening to teams

Otherwise looks just fine honestly

[trail whale]

They're playing Offense tbf

Tho tbh I prefer the Gambit version of the team

[wooden linden]

Youd want a steel type in general anyways

Its not so offensive that resists dont matter

Also ngl some of the movesets are kinda wack

No poison stab glowking and wisp specs pult

Scarf Ghold over pult is prob good enough here

Also put rocks on the lu

https://pokepast.es/46d027af321697c6
Smth like this would work out here tbh

[trail whale]

Oh wtf I just saw this

[wooden linden]

Yeah theres not much need to have ice beam anyways

Spinner dnite does fine enough

[trail whale]

Mine was this to the original team

[azure saffron]

Pult felt weak. It doesnt have the killing potential i needed it to have. What Dnite set would you recommend? (im open to anything but dnite without tera feels a bit mid). I'll add Encore on Val. Is the ogerpon set okay with SD Play rough (and encore)?

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/2414b58f1db665cb
This team should be fine for them i feel

[trail whale]

Dnite feels evil enough that it can run pretty much any DD set here but I'd recommend simple EQ Espeed. Dnite can remain a strong Tera contender but will both use it better and need it far less than Dragapult

Waterpon set seems fine, no strong feelings on it

[wooden linden]

If you really wanna take full advantage of dnite tb should do fine enough

Pretty customizable though

[small rock]

https://pokepast.es/8a854d7a149b2f8b tried to build a specs bolt balance

How do I fix the ddance dragonite/kyurem issues I’ve been having?

[wooden linden]

Team honestly is pretty good vs +1 dnite here at least

With trick ghold you can really limit its options

Also scald alo over tickle prob

Dd kyu is scary though icl

Youre gonna have to be super proactive in terms of hazards and offensively checking it

[main flume]

Hello, I love playing Hawlucha. I'm currently at 1650 elo but I think this team can be more efficient. Some suggestions ? https://pokepast.es/2af55963991b56ac

[wooden linden]

rilla here can prob just be the utility set with terrain extender

lets your teammates benefit from the passive recovery here

plus wellspring is already pretty good breaking power so you wont miss out on much

i'd also say you can use grassy seed on ghold too with bulky np

lucha doesnt really need tb to be useful

cc does good enough since you have samu for ghold anyways

Hawlucha @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 60 SpD / 124 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Close Combat
• Acrobatics
• Encore

this is usually the standard set for lucha

though honestly tera elec would work out here

[clever berry]

I also think in case their Lucha is Tera Electric, their Tusk can go for Rock Coverage to bait Moltres

[wooden linden]

they could

wellspring already scares molt

plus theres a lot of knock support

[clever berry]

Actually yeah

Gliscor is also important to be chipped for a Lucha sweep

Unless Lucha was Taunt or Sub

[elder knoll]

There’s a very similar existing team

Rilla is SD LO Tera dark on that team

[bright plinth]

guys i made this team and the idea is that i have 2 hazard removers so that ceruledge will always be at full hp https://pokepast.es/d02d113e533e2f3a . please tell me if its a good idea or not and what to change

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @wooden linden, @trail whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[small rock]

The problem I ran into is they can just swap on trick ghold and come back later to sweep

[wooden linden]

worse case scenario you can take tornt out for molt prob

handles the majority of sets with wisp and roar

and make alo av here

[small rock]

hmm yeah, the goal was to have the double Regen core give bolt time to break

But molt might be a good idea cause it does to a pretty good job into a lot of setup guys in general

[bright plinth]

https://pokepast.es/1683eee269f3f58b should i make hatterene faster

[wooden linden]

nah

not much of a point tbh

[bright plinth]

alright

[languid tendon]

only time you want a faster hatt is a cm hatt for the pex matchup

because it will haze you

[stone sierra]

Almost missed this, ty

[alpine furnace]

Is it? We got mons like kyurem, primarina, dondozo, Gweeze (honestly I think its a pretty decent matchup), weavile that can take it on even without ogerpon W

[echo rampart]

half of these can only come in once vs offensive sets

gliscor is the king of long-term and vs ogerpon there is no long-term because it kills everything and has recovery