SV OU Rates

[stone sierra]

Okey Ty

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/6f2e9cbe4c7d2c03 how's this?

[jaunty granite]

You have the wrong ability on gking

Beyond that I am not a rater so I’ll leave most comments to them, tho your ghost MU is pretty sketch

[north nimbus]

Ghost mu is rough, could use some heavy hitter , and woger looks annoying as heck for this, tho I presume you wanna keep meow yes?

[hollow perch]

Yeah

[jaunty granite]

What does woger not look annoying for

Wait I just realized that ghold is SLOW

What is that spread even for (also neutral nature lol)

[hollow perch]

Erm it's supposed to be bold

[jaunty granite]

Is there smth ur meant to live w that

[hollow perch]

Headlong rush from tusk

[north nimbus]

Outspeed jolly gambit, and bulk is to fight things like zama and friends

[jaunty granite]

Neat

Didn’t know people ran that

[north nimbus]

Best course of action would be like boots meow, 3 attacks roar zama > pult, sd gliscor > utility gliscor, ting-Lu > great tusk, and Tera grass toxic on gking

[low phoenix]

i use bulky ghold all the time lol

you check zama pretty decently recover for longetivity ofc early game check vs great tusk

[harsh ivy]

https://pokepast.es/4c13580176a1cc58 can someone help me with this team?

[regal ginkgo]

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[north nimbus]

Team could use a ground and sturdier ghost resist, along with some extra help vs gambit, best course of would be to do 4 attack boots zama > iron valiant, and ting Lu > raging bolt, also you don’t really need double defog in this team so replace defog on Corv in favor of body press

[harsh ivy]

id really like to keep the alomolola, life orb val, and the raging bolt

[harsh ivy]

how would i witch the other 3 around while keep those 3?

[north nimbus]

I feel those Mon have no real synergy together

[harsh ivy]

wahat about specs bolt?

[north nimbus]

Mola thrived better in more balance or fatter structure, while the other two thrive more in offense

[harsh ivy]

and gliscor over weeez

[north nimbus]

Doesn’t really fix the other obvious pressing issues

Those mons are fine as is

It’s really just the iron Val and bolt that stick out so better options fitting in the structure

[harsh ivy]

originally it was a nat dex team, with boots bolt, life orb val, boots mola, spedef molt, and ferrothorn

and band weavile

[north nimbus]

Yeah I’d your trying to adapt teams from different tiers it really won’t function the same fwiw

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/2bc069d2427c66a2
Having lots of issues vs tera water garganacl

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/d102a3c1863aee9e tried to make a fat balance, rai is speed control and woger is a phys breaker

[empty verge]

This is not a bad team but there are some glaring issues

Like the fact iron valiant steam rolls this

And no flying type

I will do yours next bird

[turbid kelp]

Some kyurem sets too I think

[north nimbus]

Dam I just had the best changed and I realized no flyer

[empty verge]

Drop heatran from corv this give you a good ival check + ground immunity + defog

Then put rocks on ting Lu

Over press

Outside of that I think it should be fine

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/50d2ecbd926a46dc

[north nimbus]

Me thinks Corv won’t be enough vs iron Val

You prob want pecha in this

[empty verge]

Drop prim

IMO

Got two set up sweepers already

[north nimbus]

I was thinking more of Apple cause prime does help vs kyurem, weav, and extra back up vs zama

[empty verge]

Yeah for sure but if you drop apple

Pon…

[north nimbus]

Also can make this liquid voice psy noise to shit on stall

[empty verge]

Lul

[north nimbus]

Corv pecha my guy

[empty verge]

But max def pecha

Can work

Oh yea

[north nimbus]

You will be fine

[turbid kelp]

Oh ok

[empty verge]

^

[stone sierra]

If I add corv Tera water curse garg is gonna be an issue, I went sub prima for it

[empty verge]

Gliscor > treads
Make pon swords dance drop spikes on it
Make pecha max def

Gliscor should solve all your Garg problems

[north nimbus]

Well the squad is Corv > Tran, cm liquid voice Tera ghost prima, pecharunt > apple, rocks lu

[north nimbus]

Me thinks pon without hazard control is a bit bad

[empty verge]

@turbid kelp the reason I opted for max def is to give you better sponge vs pon

Hmm yea

[turbid kelp]

Worried about having no hazard removal...

[north nimbus]

No Removal is fine if there wasn’t a pon fwiw

Or

We can do like

[empty verge]

Can also do corv > moltres

Glowking > pecha

Ting lu > treads

And make crown something else

Prob like ghold or sum

[north nimbus]

Spdef Corv > iron crown, Lu > molt make that ur super

Spiker

[empty verge]

I don’t wanna change this too much though

[north nimbus]

And the. You can do sd woger

[empty verge]

But I see we had the same idea Tyson

lol

[north nimbus]

I think pecha is a lot better here

[empty verge]

Yea fair

[north nimbus]

Spin blocker and checks zama woger iron Val etc

[empty verge]

Hazard removal options make building so awkward in this tier

[north nimbus]

Sd woger also gives u a much needed wincon

I thinks it’s doable just that there where two awkward mons that make sense but also don’t at the same time

Being the double iron mons since they have similar roles, but one checks bolt a lot better and can spin while the other has fs support

[empty verge]

Right

[north nimbus]

Cour change is a bit counterproductive here if u are going for hstack

[empty verge]

It’s pretty slow too

Me think

Weavile > ace

Will be much better

[north nimbus]

And tusk > lando, and make this 4 attacks woger

Wait no flyer then

Hmmmm

[hollow perch]

Oh what teams does ace fit in?

[empty verge]

Can do corv > Lando tbh

[north nimbus]

Balance bo are the most common just not hstack is literally goign to put you in a bad place

[north nimbus]

But do we really want defogger in hazard stack

Unless we get rid of pon

Tusk makes sense here more then lando fwiw

[empty verge]

We can drop pon probably yea

[north nimbus]

Then dnite

Yeah

That works

[hollow perch]

Oh then I might have to completely rebuild this

[empty verge]

Dnite good yea cause we currently get destroyed by opposing pon

[hollow perch]

Cause I wanted to use ace

[empty verge]

Yeah ace fit on like

Volt turn type builds

With fs as well kinda similar to what it did in gen 8 ou before it got banned

https://pokepast.es/f7dde8848fe98a68 not my team but something like this

https://pokepast.es/60feafafbc3bf60c or this (this is mine)

Volt turn or future sight BO

[hollow perch]

Ok thanks

[empty verge]

Anytime we are here if you need

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/b8ee920df8497ef0 so this?

[north nimbus]

Yeah!

Could lowkey make this 4 attacks woger but yeah looks solid

[stone sierra]

its my only physical breaker, figured id want to make it as hard to wall as possible

[safe island]

https://pokepast.es/058be1c5131d1864 I'm an absolute newb, does this at least make sense

[regal ginkgo]

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[north nimbus]

I see the vision tho sadly some of these mons are just unviable like Breloom and espeon even more so some of the selected mons aren’t optimal picks for sun

Even then some of these sets are weird as well, would heavily recommend using a sample team to familiarize with yourself with the tier, viability of mons, and sets being used

[wooden linden]

How come theres protect on a couple of your mons

Imo thats mostly just wasting the sun turns

[silver river]

Is this a singles team or a doubles team?
You haven't really mentioned what tier/format this team is for.
Also, you realise that even if you removed ninetails the team wouldn't really be impacted at all?
(Besides hydro steam)

[safe island]

doubles

[north nimbus]

Ahhh

[silver river]

I kinda figured looking at the teams and moves

I would suggest filling the team up with sun abusers

[north nimbus]

This thread is for singles ou, you prob may want to ask for better advise, in the doubles ou thread (tho they might say similar comments)

[silver river]

Liligant hisui and venusaur are important members

[safe island]

oh theres one for doubles? didnt see sry

I searched doubles but there was no result

[silver river]

With chlorophyll whimsicott for support and antics

[safe island]

dou means doubles ou?

I like sun teams and I tried some of the sample teams but they're all trick room torkoal, didnt see anything with ninetales

[silver river]

Maybe doubles format appreciates more bulk, idk
Not a doubles player

I doubt anybody here is

[safe island]

Isee I see ty

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/a4f646f32697cdd4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[edgy warren]

do u,, not have a ground immunity on every team? also pelipper comes in just fine

[hot dome]

-comes in
-25% from rocks
-tickles ting lu
-leaves

Also this isn’t the chat for this any further discussion about rain should go in comp gen

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/186278ea12ff9c37

offensive hazard stack. I pretty sure darkrai is deadweight

[low phoenix]

Looks alright but I think this team can benefit from teching pay shock on something

Gholdengo valiant and darkrai can learn it

[gritty lake]

[empty sand]

Ok thanks

[arctic frigate]

Whats pay shock

[low phoenix]

psyshock

typo

[north nimbus]

not the place to be asking this

[jade mantle]

https://pokepast.es/cdc10f42bbfb2310

[regal ginkgo]

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[jade mantle]

ik other there's other chlorophyll mons like venusaur and h-liligant but leafeon is my fav eeeveelution so

[low phoenix]

gliscor doesnt fit in sun

i recommend somethig like offensive tusk over it

and we dont rate around favorites

[jade mantle]

oh okay

[jade mantle]

srry i forgot

[low phoenix]

yea gliscor is seen on slower/bulkier teams that appreciate its role compression and knock absorber role

you want to bulldoze through your opponent through offensive pressure in the turns your have sun available

[north nimbus]

If you replace the gliscor for tusk and the leafeon for an actual chlorophyll user, got an honest team

Uhh do eject button hwish hatt tbh

[jade mantle]

alr

im gonna take off mystical fire

[north nimbus]

Hatterene @ Eject Button
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Healing Wish
• Psychic Noise
• Dazzling Gleam
• Nuzzle

just run this

[low phoenix]

para is broken

you legit win games through para hax

[jade mantle]

wait why 132 speed

or is that special attak

[low phoenix]

i think its to outspeed ting

[jade mantle]

ohh

thats smart

[north nimbus]

indeed

[stone sierra]

That’s why we run 16 speed on ting lu

idk why maverick shooters chose that but i wont question it

[elder knoll]

Leafeon is workable though

if you change it to like tera fire to beat Corv

in that case take solar blade off Ceru for another attacking move or replace it entirely

https://pokepast.es/efc2f4f6d934a84f

Something like this is how I would try to use Leafeon

[low phoenix]

what does leafeon have over venusaur?

[elder knoll]

ground resist

bulky physdef ground resist

also you lure Corv

Since you have a ground resist EQ isn't as free so you could add stuff like Moth

[north nimbus]

Ehh it’s a Mon that would do things, good cheese

[empty verge]

Ground resist not that useful when the grounds are great tusk lando etc

Its coverage is also uhh

Yea

[north nimbus]

Tera reliant

But hey

You got 5 good mons to carry

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/46d61619d56a83e6

unconventional fat team that i built

[north nimbus]

Hydrapple stall in the flesh

[stone sierra]

pinkstork made a p similar team and did well with it

https://pokepast.es/205ecc4fb3816200

[elder knoll]

If you wanna play this play it aggro not passive like a normal stall

[topaz pivot]

https://pokepast.es/6b554b2636dacd72

Rip it apart folks

What can be done better?

[north nimbus]

Semi rain is interesting in this current age , tho not sure why toxicroak and triple ground with no real way to handle kyurem, walking wake, weav is asking to get farmed

[stone sierra]

Prima solves 2 of those and is p nice in rain

[topaz pivot]

I’m fairly certain Iron valiant can OHKO Kyurem with moonblast or CC

[north nimbus]

yeah you revenge it but what is coming in on kyurem

[topaz pivot]

Toxicroak is on there because of wellspring. Granted it’s a really weird answer to wellspring.

Nothing really

[north nimbus]

Well at least in this squad nothing fwiw, but yeah I think the concept is maybe doable as niche rain is, the execution is just a bit all over the place

[topaz pivot]

What can I do to streamline the team?

[low phoenix]

In all seriousness does it look viable?

[north nimbus]

Ye tho idk if zama makes sense

[low phoenix]

I feel like it’s fine

It’s fat balance not stall

I tested some games and it’s done well

[north nimbus]

FWIW I think rain is a bit situational especially specs peli in 2025, tho it’s breaking power is still as I remember make use of partners that appreciate it and support from there if you are committed to using it

[north nimbus]

I think if ur going this

I think u want a wisher

[topaz pivot]

Sounds like actionable advice

Thanks

[north nimbus]

Tho the 6 mons make sense even tho Blissey/ zama are eye sores to me in this squad

[low phoenix]

I just wanted to try some heat tbh

If I really wanted to maxmize viability they can be changed though idk which mons rn

[north nimbus]

Prob a lot of diff ways you can approach this depending what you wanna keep etc

[elder knoll]

I heard the words stall

[north nimbus]

not sponsored by stallcord story

[low phoenix]

What are u thinking?

[elder knoll]

[elder knoll]

are you trying to make a Zama semi-stall?

[low phoenix]

I feel like this is more a very fat balance than a semi stall

[north nimbus]

This is very on the borderline of semi stall

[elder knoll]

this would be easier to convert to semi-stall

ngl

[low phoenix]

Hmm

If you say so

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/b8eb09f8b4422869
ive shown a version of this team before but i made some changes. tb fly dnite is relatively new so im willing to see if fairy can still work

[regal ginkgo]

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[tacit bluff]

I think this is ok

I'd rather boots on treads than air balloon but either is fine

[north nimbus]

Na real ones run custap endeavor treads

[wooden linden]

Ngl i waa thinking of custap

But i still need rocks so i cant

[north nimbus]

yeah that make sense

[wooden linden]

And idk if having no ice coverage for gliscor is that good

[tacit bluff]

Honestly you could go ice spinner dnite

[tacit bluff]

Save this for the true goat of the tier araquanid 🔥

[wooden linden]

Ngl ice spinner dnite could prob work but like

Where can i really fit it

Encore ig

[tacit bluff]

Over encore ig?

[wooden linden]

I could prob encore gliscor protect

And then just dd

[tacit bluff]

You can defo do that asw

Although I will say you don't have many ways to punish gliscor post Tera

[wooden linden]

Depends on which tera tbh

Water i could prob deal with

Normal i just hit it

[tacit bluff]

Water you only have thunderbolt val

You can muscle through it but if it's toxic gliscor it makes things way worse

[wooden linden]

Yeah but toxic gliscor cant do much to air balloon treads

So even if it teras its a stalemate really

[tacit bluff]

It can't do much to treads sure but the rest of the team really suffers

And treads isn't a mon with a lot of longevity

[wooden linden]

True

Idk what to sub out though tbd

[tacit bluff]

Me neither icl

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/070746975a1fec2b

[wooden linden]

Maybe i could try a different val set here

Smth that can be a bit more threatening to gliscor

[stone sierra]

weavile hstack victim

speaking of hstack

https://pokepast.es/d56915ba0f7549c2

[gritty lake]

Wdym

I hv a zama and iron moth for weav

[azure saffron]

https://pokepast.es/999948b7d4110479
pretty standard. quick rate to be good to go. thanks

[silver river]

Team looks pretty simple yeah, has a tough time against common threats lile zama/gambit/valiant, could be worse tho.
Completely personally request, but if u don't want to make much change to the team, can you try scarf instead of specs on kyurem?
Scarf kyurem is a great lead and a great revenge killer, instead of tera ice you can go either tera ground or tera dragon too.

[gritty lake]

Hatt+pult isn't enough for zama now huh

[silver river]

5 other mons + zama, yes, those aren't enough.

[wooden linden]

You can say that about every mon in the tier

Also dont use scarf kyurem

Pult is good enough speed control

Stick to specs

But tbh you may need some more hazard control for kyu

Try out a bulkier gambit spread too since kyurem looks very scary here

[crystal turtle]

https://pokepast.es/a30d1c0a1ee9775b

[regal ginkgo]

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[crystal turtle]

first time playing OU

I just want an excuse to play Raging bolt

[stone sierra]

if you want raging bolt webs use this team https://pokepast.es/722632f88e3984c2

peaked #3 on ladder

[nocturne sable]

For future tips, sticky webs+corv(especially defog) is anti-synergy since defog just kinda removes webs

[crystal turtle]

nice ty

[crystal turtle]

yeah you're right

so I just can't play any hazard if I play defog corvi?

[nocturne sable]

Raging bolt is usually used on offense teams, including niche ones like rain and Gterrain teams

[nocturne sable]

I mean for Webs you can run great tusk if they want a rapid spinner.

In general Hazard stacking and defog don’t go together

You can use defog corv on more balanced teams

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ad68378d8d2a5cf8 made a kyurem fat team

[north nimbus]

Why are there so many poison types

[stone sierra]

for some reason i thought i only added 2, wanted slowbro as a spdef mon and pech as a woger check. Gweezing is to help kyurem with hazards

[elder knoll]

you have too many ground weeks guys

[north nimbus]

Thought I said but uhh yeah this is ironically a team that gets folded by grounds, also volt turn just gets free momentum

[nocturne sable]

Tbh slowking and pecha is really redundant in one time

Both have similar roles and are both poison types

[hot dome]

...no???

gking and pecha wall literally two diffenre tyupes of attack, spattack and phys respectively

now, having both on the same team definitely isn't the best, but they are most definitely not "similar roles"

[north nimbus]

They both check zama

[hot dome]

true...

[elder knoll]

hi Faya

[hot dome]

hi

[elder knoll]

Structure wise this is similar to the Storm Zone fat team

[stone sierra]

Can you link it?

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/a99e22f356876c18

This even has your Ting-Lu

[stone sierra]

Peak

Ty

[nocturne sable]

I mean obvious they have different defense stats and wall different but they are similar as in they are both poisons that help their teams pivot around

[hot dome]

😭

[nocturne sable]

?

[low phoenix]

slowking g and pecharunt have vaguely similar roles in that they are both bulky poisons with pivoting but they are fundamentally different in how you would use them

[nocturne sable]

Yea that’s what I meant

[undone pagoda]

https://pokepast.es/084f5fdca5a63021

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

most of these sets are unviable

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[vague wave]

https://pokepast.es/d0f8e9100fd07f7b

[low phoenix]

What is goodra for

[hot dome]

what's scarf tusk for?

[low phoenix]

That too

[vague wave]

I don't know much about competitive, what changes should I make?

[low phoenix]

If you don’t know much about competitive

I refer you to this

[low phoenix]

^

[stone sierra]

I recommend trying out the bulky offense samples

They’re fun and nice to start with when you’re learning

[vague wave]

Ok, thanks

[obtuse harness]

https://pokepast.es/485c8b875be7c02c

[nocturne sable]

This is unviable, I would recommend checking the sample teams to see what a good sun team looks like

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/4eba4b6316baf2e4

[regal ginkgo]

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[nocturne sable]

Ain’t this the same team you posted already

[gritty lake]

And it didn't get rated

[trail whale]

The world if Garchomp became a Gliscor

[gritty lake]

The world if u could read

[low phoenix]

Hey don’t be rude man

[gritty lake]

I don't want to be

[tacit bluff]

Why is this veil anyway

[barren ridge]

Then don’t be.

[tacit bluff]

You have like 3 bulky sweepers

[low phoenix]

No offense but this is like the millionth chomp team and at this point you clearly just want to use chomp even though we’re all saying scale shot chomp isn’t the best set

[gritty lake]

I just saw some veil guys from the wcop thing and tried to put them together

[elder knoll]

[gritty lake]

Alr

[elder knoll]

I don’t see a Gliscor, Ceru, or Krai

[gritty lake]

Gliscor is garchomp

And idt rai or ceru will be able to fit on this

[low phoenix]

Well that was what was on the wcop team

[gritty lake]

I do hv other veil guys tho

[low phoenix]

just use gliscor/darkrai/ceru

its that simple

[hot dome]

i don't get the point of you taking a proven tournament team, swapping out half the mons for worse replacements, then posting it here like we're not going to just tell you to go back to it

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/57fc450b045609ef
OU Snow team, thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

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[queen saddle]

Looks similar to the snow team in blunder’s video, kinda noticed that. Saw the video and kinda made my own variation, idk if it’s too good or not. Revamped a few times after testing and I think this is good.

[elder knoll]

I think you either lean into like a Glowking semi-snow

or go full veil

That’s what I would do at least

😔 since the only good snow abuser got shot

[hot dome]

snow team just aint it

[north nimbus]

Unless ou frees bax

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/4b908088c360d0bf

Trying to make a cinderace team

[north nimbus]

This squad looks for the most part fine, even tho it screams that it wants kyurem here but yeah also might want to consider making this court change cindersce you honestly would benefit from hazard control

[hollow perch]

It is already court change? Who would kyurem be replacing

[trail whale]

Probably Rotom

Team looks a bit slow to be trusting Taunt Lando + Ace for hazard control

[north nimbus]

Yeah

[wooden linden]

you prob could change the rotom set or smth

like idk uh

scarf ig

bc tbh lando does good enough for physical checking

that or take out the rotom for smth else

[final relic]

not a big fan of twave > wisp on rotom

this also never can break gliscor ever

landorus doesn't like

need to be attack invested here

you probably want to eat more hits

ogerpon is also a terrible mu for you

specifically uturn

[final relic]

generally with veil you dont go as bulky as this

[queen saddle]

Only 5 turns of veil, I prioritize snow turns.

[final relic]

i think you need both hatt + tusk to justify like half of these mons

rocks go up and its a very bad situation

tusk alone generally cant keep them off well enough

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/3d4d315d4f861dec

I love dragon dance (fuck webs)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

There are many threats I feel like certain sets can bait in but I just get lost trying to optimize

Really the point of this team I’m tryna build is just anything but webs

I’ve played enough webs in Ubers already

[faint vortex]

Hello all, I made this team a short time ago, wanting to building an offensive hazard stack. I feel this team has good pieces that I wanted to build around (samu and bolt), but it seems clunky in the matches I've played. Any advice would be greatly appreciated https://pokepast.es/ffa4d0c6caadf0f5

[trail whale]

If you want to use Deo-S I'd recommend using the dex set, much better lead match up spread into the metagame.
Tera Fire jumps out as a much better choice for Kyurem, snipe steels and dodge wisp. Other than that it looks like a pretty standard ho team, consider dropping Waterpon for Balloon Ghold, better match up into Tera Fairy Dnite and other stuff

[clever rover]

Tysm maam, this funny deo set was meant to outspeed +1 tusk and rocky helmet + psycho boost is perfect for counterleading glimmora, I am more of a Ubers main so I kinda just went with that spread instead. Ghold I am not really a fan of using without webs, but that’s a good point as well, since I do feel like my team kinda do get 6-0ed by that specific set. The most common steel I guess is gambit and corv, tho dnite could successfully bait it in and remove corv while Tera electric blast also snipes primarina. Does Tera fire blast even one tap max hp gambit? Idk. Tho I do think that Tera fire pairs better with scale shot sets as icicle + fire cant beat fire types at all, so I guess I will have to drop sub for scale asw if I wanna fit in Tera fire blast

Heck, maybe I can even drop icicle spear from how crazy are people with innovating Kyurem these days

[trail whale]

That's fair, Hamurott being the most common lead makes that set feel bad though.

Trailblaze Oger seems really tough to set up, and Ghold giving you a spinblocker + secondary ground immune can be really helpful. Also currently your Tera Dnite counterplay in general is stuck on only Iron Valiant.

Tera Fire Blast onetaps bulkless Gambit yeah, I'd say you'll face a lot more of Gambit, Ghold, Treads, and Tinkaton more than you'll face Prim. Prim isn't even that bad honestly
+1 252 Atk Kyurem Icicle Spear (4 hits) vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 156-188 (48.5 - 58.5%) -- approx. 99.9% chance to 2HKO. You're right about having to drop sub with that though.

[clever rover]

I can’t believe I forgot about hamu

Maybe hamu is better in this team hmmmmmmmm

I forgot it even exists lmao

[trail whale]

😭

[clever rover]

And I completely forgot Tera fire hits ghold too lmao

[trail whale]

I feel like this is trying to be an HO (Hamu, CM Bolt, DD Encore Dnite, esp without boots, NP Ghold) and trying to be a hazard stack (Lu + Hamu and Ghold)

You should pick one and stick to it imo, you can make a hazard stack offensive without throwing multiple set up sweepers into the mix.

[clever rover]

Now that I think of it does hamu fit on this team better? It does do well into alotta stuff idk

[wooden linden]

samu works fine on your team

also its prob better if you do bulk up booster speed tusk here

[silver river]

your tusk has no EVs

[gritty lake]

EVs can be decided later too based on the teams requirements

[faint vortex]

Hi there, I must admit was aiming for a hazard stacking team and not going for ho. In this case, who should I get rid of to achieve that goal?

[hot dome]

It really shouldn’t, this channel is here for completed teams

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/33583d5608766cc0

Thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

What is the idea of this team?

I see a bunch of non grassy terrain mons slapped on a grassy terrain team

[nocturne sable]

Grassy terrain should be more offensive oriented

And should include mons that synergies with the playstyle like Raging bolt, hawlucha etc

[final relic]

torn without stab move is garbage make it heat wave bleakwind uturn knock

rilla skeledirge dont really belong here but ting lu gweez torn and maybe corv are fine

make weez neutralizing gas

drop one of pain split/ protect for defog; if you drop split id add a mola

[trail whale]

You should make Hamurott, Raging Bolt, and Dragonite a Boots set. With hazard stack you want to try and keep hazards on their side of the field even if it means having hazards on your own.

I also think you can drop Treads for speed control options like Zamazenta or Darkrai.

Your Pokemon will be doing good damage and the team will feel like it can play offensive without losing the key features of hazard stack

[low phoenix]

Wait no more like a fat balance with a random rillaboom thrown in

[fading wyvern]

hey, everyone i would appreciate some help with my OU Pokemon team.

have never played any Pokemon game before or seen any Pokemon movie or tv show, but I have just started playing pokemon showdown a few days ago.

for the last few days I've been doing as much research as I can to learn the meta game and doing my best to climb the ladder.

I started by using a copy and pasted team from smogon's sample teams but I found that I didn't really understand the team since I didn't make it, so quickly I endeavoured to make my own.

I would love some advice on how I could improve this team as it is my first team:
https://pokepast.es/92b8f20e7996522b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

Honestly this is a real well done squad for a first timer not sure if the slashes are intentional or not

[fading wyvern]

thanks! they are probably not intentional since I have no clue what a slasher is lmao

[north nimbus]

Nvm the paste format is just weird to look

Uhh you honestly want low kick 99% instead of stomping tantrum on coger (ogerpon-c) cause hit everything with ur stabs + fighting coverage

[fading wyvern]

hmm yeah

I only added stomping tantrum to try and deal with steel types like kingambit, goldengo and iron treads

[north nimbus]

Well dengo commonly runs ballon , tho knock would be better if ur super concerned, tho the team has ways to handle it

[fading wyvern]

yep I'll give it a try

anything else?

[north nimbus]

Hoenstly might want to consider sub on iron moth if u want makes prediction a lot easier in clicking buttons, also you do know treads lacks an item right

Also feels you would benefit from hatterene a lot more here then darkrai, magic bounce is good to prevent more hazard to coming in and makes good advantage of grassy terrain just as well

[fading wyvern]

whats sub?

[north nimbus]

Substitute

[fading wyvern]

oh right

yeah I was looking at that but thb I couldn't quite understand it

[north nimbus]

Also if you feel the additional terrain turns aren’t important, tbh sometimes might not want to give ur opponent free recovery as well, can consider lo (life orb) rilla for more additional breaking power

Besides that not bad for a first time build

[fading wyvern]

I don't know how I forgot to put an item on treads lmao

I would probably put booster energy on it

or maybe boots

thanks for the help!

[north nimbus]

No problem

[faint vortex]

Hello! Thank you for the feedback. You bring up some changes I will test out. I can definitely give Boots to bolt and dnite, plus add in Darkrai once I remove Treads. However, I would like to keep hamu AV as I like having the extra Sp Def insurance if I get into matchups where Lu may get overwhelmed.

I would also like to ask a couple of questions

1. If I should keep bolt cm 3 atk or change it to Taunt?
2. I am debating switching ghold out for pech to have a solid Def wall as I feel mons such as pon can become a problem. Would this be a gold change for the team?

Thank you in advance!

[trail whale]

Bolt can honestly be either, but probably Taunt Vswitch since you already have a wincon in Dnite.

Pecharunt is fine, keeps a Valiant check for your team and gives you a pivot. Though I think you might want a powerful breaker. When running a bulky pivot heavy 6 like this. Not confident enough to pinpoint how the team would exactly be though.

As for Hamurott, I think you'll suffer from hazards a lot when dropping hazard control + not running boots. The team should be offensive enough for Ting Lu not to get overwhelmed I'd say.

[faint vortex]

Hey there, so I tried the team with these changes. It has potential, but it feels iffy still. It now seems I do not have enough backbone to compensate for the offense I put out. It might well be that I am still learning to use it, so I will test it further in the next couple of days. https://pokepast.es/68a904b8915be68e

[tawdry timber]

does this cover doubles as well?

[nocturne sable]

There should be a doubles OU channel

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/1d59936fbff5fb38

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

idk how I feel about no ground immune

it feels kinda sus

[silver river]

Is pecha tera ghost on purpose?

[elder knoll]

yes

[silver river]

I've usually seen it tera dark

[silver river]

I see 👍

[elder knoll]

You spin block tusk reliably if you have ghost

[silver river]

Can you try sinischa instead of pech for a few games?
That Grass typing helps against tusk and woger, and strength sap is very annoying too.
It came around a fair bit recently and it was annoying every time it was out

[elder knoll]

🤔

Sure I’ll try it out

[final relic]

this isnt awful for a first go

maybe consider life orb darkrai > grassy seed to hit harder

since terrain offsets the chip

[fading wyvern]

my thoughts was the seed would help be set up more safely

but i will try orb

just for the more damage?

[final relic]

yeah very little barring tinglu wants to come in on +2 darkrai that hasn’t revealed its 2 coverage moves

an alternative that could be funny is tera poison and max hp max speed with willowisp/nasty plot/dark pulse/ice beam or sludge bomb (depends on your preference)

this set’s been used with leftovers before because with tera and wisp it turns things like zamazenta into setup fodder but grassy seed could be cool if you’re trying for the bulky setup angle

[fading wyvern]

mhh that sounds pretty cool

[low phoenix]

what does 100 attack evs on darkrai do?

im guessing 1hko on pult with sucker after tera based on calcs im doing

and a very good chance to ko deoxys speed too

[north nimbus]

this squad is interesting lack of flyer is indeed sus just makes ground moves free to click, also ur ghost resist are rai and h sammy, trying to understand the vision going here

[low phoenix]

looks like offensive hazard stack to me

you dont need as much of a robust defensive core for offense imo

[elder knoll]

yeah I got the set from SZ

It’s trying to be an offensive hazard stacks that puts a lot of pressure onto dark resists

[low phoenix]

i made my own derivative of this team if youre interested

https://pokepast.es/bcb710a9434c6d24

[north nimbus]

oo

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/2f039cc7d1f0fd12

trust

best upcoming sun

about to be sample

[hot dome]

this team has some pretty odd choices
why scarf bolt? its the one mon on your team with actual priority + you have booster speed tusk and chloro venu
why is corv here, it just wastes sun turns + isn't even a good hazard remover since ghold teams farm you + you also have tusk

just run eject hatt and either cm lefties bolt or drop bolt for a phys attacker like ceruledge or gambit to supplement tusk's breaking

i would recommend running gambit

[elder knoll]

The reason to use a scarf bolt on sun would be to help clean out games and to form a volt-turn core with something

Thus, if you really want to keep that set I’d recommend looking strong-u turn like Lokix and using modest wake

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peak-1967-rank-11-walkenheimer-gives-ou-the-sloppenheimer-ft-lokix.3754541/

Something like this team is what you would want

[hot dome]

This team is 7 months outdated

And once again, you don’t need scarf bolt on a team with booster tusk and chloro venu

[silver river]

Wouldn't the bug fighting volcarona hit harder in sun than lokix bc of proto boost?

I forget the name bc it's so irrelevant

[elder knoll]

That’s if it’s unresisted

[hot dome]

This isn’t the place to discuss an unrelated RMT

Take it to general

[trail whale]

Hey! Being completely honest I'm not confident enough in my sv ou knowledge to help discuss it this deep. I made an offensive hazard I like but it's 6 months old now, so the core idea should be helpful in finding what you need. I wish you the best https://pokepast.es/d980fd0f000c4e9d

[low phoenix]

I feel like you can experiment with deo s/weavile over iron valiant for a more reliable knocker and speed control

Wait actually noticed the lack of a special attacker darkrai can be good

Over valiant actually

[trail whale]

definitely can
most breakers should work out well on an offensive hazard stack like this
just the one im most comfortable with

[low phoenix]

Yea I was thinking a darkspam offensive core to break through your usual checks

[elder knoll]

If you want more a defensive backbone I would recommend a Pecharunt over Gholdengo

Ting-Lu + Pech cover most offensive threats in the tier

From there I would think about adding a Zamazenta to your team if you want to keep the boots spam for more speed control and to have a Gambit check

Otherwise a Great Tusk would allow you to drop a few pairs of boots and opens up options like scarf Samu

If you do make any of these changes you may want to look for an additional fairy resist as it’d make you a little fairy weak. Oh also Pech can check Gambit with Tera dark and foul play.

[north nimbus]

This is not the place to ask for teams, ask in #comp-general

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/93626c4677ad2508 added kyurem

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

this was legit a sample team a while back

no joke

[north nimbus]

It sure was

Tho then again

That’s the issue when it comes to doing cinderace kyurem gking squads going to end somewhere nearly identical

[cold cosmos]

LOLLL i was inspired yes

[cold cosmos]

err scarf bolt b/c err

err

bait dragaput

[hot dome]

yeah just make the changes i said

[cold cosmos]

corv on sun is genius tho

uturn + defog + actual steel type

er

gambit answer

[hot dome]

its really not

[elder knoll]

You have a tusk

Timothy tusk

[hot dome]

corv does nothing for your team + slows it down + wastes sun

[north nimbus]

tbf Corv does load vs dnite which usually is an issue for sun teams

[hot dome]

if you're not here to take the advice then don't post here

[hot dome]

hatt + tusk + wake all pressure it

and corv loses to dnite like 80% of the time anyways lets be fr

[north nimbus]

Why need 3 mons when you can have one

[hot dome]

cuz the one mon comes with 300 downsides

[north nimbus]

It my Corv is losing to dnite then something wrong ngl

Jokes aside

[hot dome]

tera ghost, fire punch (esp under sun), encore

[north nimbus]

Yeah no Corv in sun

[north nimbus]

Encore is getting burned when ur not doing much back to it, and Tera ghost is like a slight maybe but bb Corv is a lot more common especially in some id sets

[hot dome]

i see you dodged the fire punch mention

[north nimbus]

Well that one is just

Self explanatory

[cold cosmos]

just dont get why no corv

why hat tho

[hot dome]

none of the traits you mentioned are what sun needs

[cold cosmos]

?

suns lack a steel type generally

and a flying type

dont they

[hot dome]

for what?

[cold cosmos]

wdym for what

for ground types and fairy types

[hot dome]

corv is not beating any fairy

and the only offensive ground is tusk, and you should do fine into it since you have your own tusk + wake

[cold cosmos]

what

corv doesnt beat fairies?

like this wcop team

https://pokepast.es/7cfa1c7b11775d29

u tryna tell me ts dont lose to eq

or like

any fairy type

one earth power predict onmoth and its over

[hot dome]

yes, beacuse it has moth + ninetales + tera poison ting lu

[cold cosmos]

🤔

[hot dome]

and wake beats tusk

[cold cosmos]

dyt this sun is better than the sample one

which one do you prefer

also, shouldnt it be spikes tinglu

i feel sun would appreciate it

[hot dome]

make the changes

i said

[cold cosmos]

alrigh

@hot dome dyt i could get away with swapping fire blast/firey dance for tspikes on the wcop team

[hot dome]

this is not the channel for rating pre-existing teams

[cold cosmos]

alright

in the changes you suggested

again it seems like we lose to ground types

oh but venu

okay

[hot dome]

if you lose to tusk with venu wake and soft sand tusk you need to reflect on how you played poorly

[cold cosmos]

soft sand hp tusk tho

oh bulk up

kk

tyty

@hot dome last ping, i PROMISE

https://pokepast.es/ad709a9d5f82a2b4

this is the edited version

okay? dyt i need tera flying sumwhere

or i can get away with tera ghost gambit

idk, im just not confident in my ability to tank one headlong from atk boosted tusk

[north nimbus]

Use the better sun setter ninetales

[cold cosmos]

no rocks 🥀

scarf bolt actually doesnt even outspeed pult

🥀

[north nimbus]

Just make great tusk ur rocker

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/6138b51e4134e21b the idea of this team was specs kyu and building around it, but im not rlly happy with how it turned out

[north nimbus]

Waht seems to be the issue with it ?

[sacred delta]

i feel like its just not clicking, like i lose one mon and the whole thing collapses. in an ideal game it works well, but when smth minor goes wrong like a flinch or a miss, it just snowballs instead of being able to recover. Also dont like how all my offensive mons are weak to fairy, smth like tera fairy ghold hard counters this team.

[cold cosmos]

why dragonite

seems random here

[sacred delta]

priority, but yea i feel like it doesnt fit well, at least this set doesnt

[north nimbus]

The squads looks fine albeit how linear and straightforward specs kyu structures tend to be, if your super concerned could honestly do cinderace > dnite and make this id zama instead as ur wincon here, lo zama ain’t even that good miss out on the utility of the boots or lefties, also do toxic > twave on gking here to helps vs raging bolt, but yeah the mons are fine as it

Just really is playing and just getting used to it, that or maybe this structure ain’t for you

[steel arrow]

Can i get some help perfecting this? I do want to keep lando peli and floatzel but any other changes are appreciated. https://pokepast.es/309191ed544613dchttps://pokepast.es/309191ed544613dc

[final relic]

floatzel is generally a very weak rain abuser

being that it has to die from recoil to even do anything

id suggest barraskewda over this in almost any scenario really, the only thing it has is ice spinner to hit dragons but that's only like half an upside

i'm not like

too big a fan of the deoxys being here

as it makes hrott lead -> gholdengo on defog which is your only removal

way too free of a line

i think that you can

definitely change up bolt's tera type to fairy/flying/dragon for harder hitting dracos, etc

[steel arrow]

yeah

[final relic]

as well as slot weather ball to snipe treads since that's one of the main reasons you use it on rain

well treads isn't the only one, grounds in general trying to deny volt switch but you get the idea

[steel arrow]

what do i remove for weather ball on bolt?

[final relic]

you can probably drop thunderbolt, but i'm like not that enthusiastic about booster + volt switch

• perhaps run boots

[steel arrow]

alr

[steel arrow]

yeah but its not my main attacker and since i run little speed (only enough to outspeed booster speed boulder) i can get of a lot more wave crashes

[final relic]

well

your team kinda lacks breaking power outside of the floatzel

[steel arrow]

i have the lando to fix my rilla matchup and be a generally strong pokemon is there a better breaker that also fixes rilla matchup?

[steel arrow]

so this means if floatzel goes down i cant really break defensive cores?

[final relic]

yeah

[steel arrow]

oh

[final relic]

and the issue is moreso that floatzel gets only a few chances to click its strong move

even with hp invest

[steel arrow]

is specs wake a good breaker?

[final relic]

it can work but its very prediction reliant, and doesn't help much with the bad waterpon matchup

[steel arrow]

so whos a good breaker that fixes some tricky matchups?

flying blast scarf lando can beat an intimidated waterpon unless it teras and crits me

also when i tera to a type i alr am (e.g tera water wave crash) i get a 2x stab bonus right? how does that work with flying blast?

[final relic]

well usually people run barraskewda > floatzel for the similar damage rolls without recoil

and you can also run mystic water + something like poison jab to be able to catch waterpon and not be choice locked

[steel arrow]

yeah

the reason i run band wave crash is cause of certain calcs like this:252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta in Rain: 330-390 (101.5 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ill calc barras but i dont think its as strong of a breaker

[final relic]

(jab is a bit unnecessary since you can cc it and 2hko anyway)

[steel arrow]

Yeah barras isnt strong enough if they get a safe switch into zama then i lose barras or another strong mon: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Liquidation vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Zamazenta in Rain: 260-308 (80 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[final relic]

while yes it doesn't hit as hard zama isn't a check to skewda anyway since it can come in and flip turn out for a large chunk of damage

rain is always trying to be on the offensive so for example you have your barraskewda in

(this is like an ideal situation)

zama comes in you flip out to lando or corv who can take a hit or two easily enough

and then you can pivot out to someone else and eventually make progress by forcing one of their other mons to tera water for example

which opens up bolt

[steel arrow]

i do understand this there are js a lot of calcs where floatzel picks up OHKOs that barras cant: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Primarina in Rain: 324-382 (89 - 104.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Primarina: 322-380 (88.4 - 104.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

yeah it can pick up the KO but with band but a steel type switch in could lose a lot of momentum and i feel like floatzel is a better pick. It also has some sentimental value

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/944fa790254369e8

Thoughts

?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

I remember seeing that moth set, but with 124 Def EVs instead of spDef. It was also fiery dance, sludge wave, t spike, whirlwind.

If you give Kyurem freeze dry instead of ice beam, you will be able to change its tera type to fire, giving you a fairy resist and making it so you're not walled by steel types or burned by will-o

Also, this is a personal thing, but try replacing Gliscor's knock off with Agility for a few games, Agility/SD/facade/protect imo is insane, agility on the switch and a tera normal SD the next turn, and it just cleans.

[molten bloom]

So I haven’t played for like a really long time and I tried to build an HO Team for a friend. He’s completely new so I thought I’d keep it simple. Any thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/2d5246c8647f5edb

[silver river]

Try picking an HO team from the Sample teams if he's completely new

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-spl-and-roaring-moon-ban.3712513/

[final relic]

this is just the hellom veil team from wcop but with worse sets

[pallid coral]

Better sets?

[final relic]

sd agility gliscor with eq facade

spear > ice beam on kyu

• dice

and sub > scale

cm hat

[pallid coral]

?

Cm hat

Calm mind

For what

Nuzzle?

[final relic]

calm mind because it's veil and you want to set up and break through fat teams/force progress

oh

yeah drop nuzzle

[low phoenix]

eh i wouldnt drop nuzzle

para is broken

[hot dome]

its worth droping on more offensive teams

[final relic]

here you definitely wanna

[bold stone]

This team has been feeling alright but I'd like to know what I can improve
https://pokepast.es/0d66a77d37f3c8f7

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north nimbus]

This is honestly close to a sample squad but it has iron Val > weavile and dengo > ting Lu

[bold stone]

oh

should i just use the sample team then?

[north nimbus]

Yeah it’s practically the same structures would’ve recommend amongst those mons as well fwiw

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/5ded2f3c394593e6 team is supposed to make fat teams cry, idk if the anti offense is good enough

[queen saddle]

Might want 4 EV’s on your Garg. 😔

[atomic jolt]

Maybe bulk up tusk over av treads? You're losing your steel type if you do this so you might want to try idbp corv over zap.
You could also try av crown with psychic noise and it'll do some damage to stall like prima does but without needing set-up

Losing knock because of removing treads means you're gonna run it on woger, which I think works cause it forces switches as well

You're lacking priority for ho and Pult's your fast mon, might wanna check out scarf rai, trick will also ruin fat teams while giving you something to revenge kill. Mixed ival works too with fast encore doing something on both ho and stall and you're getting a knock off user at the same time

[atomic jolt]

I'm not good at identifying specific threats though maybe someone else can help with that. Ig stall is just gonna cry in a corner with the team but ho/offense will always find a way to get in due to the sheer variety of threats. Maybe you're weak to some zam/dnite set idk I think you'll find that out while laddering

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/8e55c4189bc0cd74 dragapult gaming

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

gliscor just sits on this

[trail whale]

I feel like you can compress Zama + Treads into Tusk and run smth like Gambit. Tusk gives you a way to smack Gliscor and gives you more consistent hazard removal for Pult + Prim. Maintains a Gambit check and electric immunity still. Also means you can afford a ghost resist and not get rolled by opposing pult

[atomic jolt]

Won't tusk be pressed for moves on this team? He'd want rocks, spin, ice spinner for gliscor but he's also missing knock if he adds gambit

~~time for stealth rock gambit baby ~~

[trail whale]

I dont think you need Knock tbh

[wooden linden]

theres not really any hazard stacking here so knock is not that needed

also flamethrower prob works over twave on glowking

you already have twave on zapdos

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/bb9c039a2ce4b5e5

idk, i ain’t got much to say hear

[nocturne sable]

Breaking power in this team and corv MU looks a little bit sus from what i can see

Garg too

[empty sand]

So i should add another wallbreaker?

[nocturne sable]

I mean one obvious Mon i would recommend that improves both is the metal cheese string(Gholdengo)

Helps block hazard removers too

[elder knoll]

Switching the Pult set could help

Team would also appreciate

An endgame Gambit answer

that’s not Lando

[empty sand]

Which one should I use?

[silver river]

Change hamurott ability to sharpness

Try replacing hat with val?
idk tho

[empty sand]

Oh shit i forget. Lol

[slate jolt]

Hi! i made a volt turn team for sv ou https://pokepast.es/506b1c454867e4ac if anyone has any criticism

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Where are the rocks

: (

[slate jolt]

i wanted rocks i find it hard to fit the sneaky pebbles

i'd have to give up av 😭

[silver river]

Superpower on woger is just not worth it.
Taunt, encore, knock off, spikes are all better options.

[slate jolt]

gotcha

[hot dome]

why are yall fixating on the rocks and superpower when they have double av ???

[alpine hornet]

idt u need av treads here, run rocks treads and spikes on pon

and i like boots hex pult over specs here

also could go like eject hatt and av mola over ur current sets

[slate jolt]

ty i'll run rocks treads, u think it makes to run a bulkier slower treads then or still hp and speed investement?

[alpine hornet]

to enable kix better

[alpine hornet]

atk and speed

[slate jolt]

gotcha

[slate jolt]

i see so more offensive

[slate jolt]

is double av inherently bad?

i will say i really have liked tickle alo for dragonite +kingambit, it works rly well with lokix

[hot dome]

yes because you're overlapping roles and its not like your team is bulky enough where you need two av mons

[slate jolt]

got it

[hot dome]

• ting lu is just better if you want a fat spdef wall atp

[slate jolt]

btw thx clodsire fan, aquilo, and kronenen!

[faint vortex]

No worries. Thank you for sending this. I can use it for some inspiration. I appreciate it

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/f989ee67fa020ea8 made an offensive hs, weavile set is to avoid being walled by birds

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint vortex]

Would icicle crash or triple axel not be better for weavile? Maybe make it Tera Fire or electric depending on which bird give you the most trouble?

[stone sierra]

not commiting a tera to that

also biggest concern is rocky helmet corv

[faint vortex]

Hey there, thanks for giving a look and for your feedback. These are all good suggestions for changes. However, I built a team very similar to what those changes would bring me. I also want to try to use different pokemon that I do not use so much. Taking into account what you have said, I could try sinistcha as a ghost mon, with Tera dark. Next i could add an iron Valiant for optimal speed control, mixed or cm sets. Lastly, I could add iron treads or tinkaton for a fairy resist. What would you think about that?

[faint vortex]

I would, weavile is one of the best Tera abusers. Probably as good as cha

[stone sierra]

elo check
tend to take advice from low elo players with a grain of salt, no offense i just dont want to be given bad advice from someone who may not know better

[faint vortex]

That's fair, I'm around 1500. You don't have to take any of my suggestions, it's just my opinion

Also Tera Ghost weavile is great if you want to free up Tera poison on lu for a fairy check

[trail whale]

They're right
Weavile really wants Boots and one of the stronger Ice moves, Ice Punch will feel very underwhelming and Moltres just kills you anyway, Icicle Crash lets you click without fear of contact and Triple Axel has very high highs

[final relic]

no boots weavile is definitely garbage on here

yeah go either tera ice/fire axel or icicle crash + any of ghost/fire/ice/dark

[trail whale]

Make Great Tusk Ice Spinner > Knock Off, you have Weavile on these hazard stacks largely because it can knock off

[final relic]

yeah you get rolled by gliscor without ice spinner tusk

ting lu needs to be poison on this

or iron valiant clicks moonblast 6 times and you are very sad

why is teacup tera water over poison

and why are there 2 spike setters on this team make pon knock off

this sinis spread also sucks just use the sample set

tusk should be tera steel since flying blast dnite has a ridiculous matchup into this

i also think you would benefit from a fairy like perhaps clef instead of ogerpon

which both stops specs raging bolt being slow pivoted in and clicking draco to break the lu and gives you a better garg matchup

and either frees a slot on tusk or is an alternate breaker with cm knock off

you really want 2 knock offs on teams like this in some way most of the time

[azure saffron]

having a hard time climbing: https://pokepast.es/12ac5caa076c45ca

[wooden linden]

youre getting in the right direction with boots zama but the set needs to change

id zama really relies on lefties for recovery

go for max atk max speed cc crunch stone edge and heavy slam

with tera dark or steel

[trail whale]

I think Latios is better here with Calm Mind > Aura Sphere
Other than that and the Zama set, I don't see an issue with the team. Any particular Pokemon giving you trouble? Or a team member feeling underwhelming?

[azure saffron]

Latios feels too frail, the stabs get blocked easily and aura sphere does no damage if not SE

[pulsar valve]

Im trying to create a hazard stack wo chien team, does anyone got advice?

I found great synergy with garchomp to punish its biggest weakness uturn, and to set hazards, which led me to believe wo chien could actually work

[nocturne sable]

Rate my team only rates completed teams so you need to show the completed team for it to be rated

You can discuss in general if you want help completing the team ig

[pulsar valve]

Okay thanks

[silver river]

imo, replacing latios with a scarf Gholdengo would go a long way.

[hot dome]

Scarf ghold isn’t the play here

[naive mural]

https://pokepast.es/1f1eab80eb63c40a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fervent sluice]

who even are you

[hot dome]

…did you just get connection after two weeks in the wilderness?

[fervent sluice]

what’s your elo?

[stone sierra]

Sir he’s a competitive helper

Please shut up for your own good

[fervent sluice]

who are you

[stone sierra]

Some dude who takes Clodsire fans advice

It’s good advice you should also listen

[fervent sluice]

why are you so upset?

[stone sierra]

I’m not

[gritty lake]

Who are you

[fervent sluice]

Jolly exca whoops ghould

[gritty lake]

And?

There's an entire lando t for exca

If I'm seeing shit correctly

[fervent sluice]

but tera ice

[gritty lake]

There's also a great tusk

[fervent sluice]

tera ghost

balloon/sash

[gritty lake]

Ok buddy

[hot dome]

You don’t bother with the sand matchup

Because it’s a nigh unviable style

[fervent sluice]

You told me to use the worst weather in the game

[hot dome]

That you will rarely, if ever see

[gritty lake]

Out of the 6 billion threats in sv ou, we are worried about exca

[hot dome]

This conversation is 2 weeks old

[fervent sluice]

who are you?

[hot dome]

I don’t know why you brought it up

[gritty lake]

[low phoenix]

oh

didnt see lol

[fervent sluice]

read before you speak

[hot dome]

If you continue this, you will be barred from this channel

[fervent sluice]

talking about excadrill?

[hot dome]

If you are here for advice, send your team. Otherwise, stop clogging the channel

Yes

[fervent sluice]

you told me to use it…

Go off!!

[hot dome]

m8 I didn’t?

[fervent sluice]

kk

[low phoenix]

i think you can replace quaq and maushold with better veil abusers like blaziken sd agility gliscor ceruledge etc

also why are you using atails without veil

[hot dome]

Rip my rate

[fervent sluice]

Not advice

🤟😌 gn

[hot dome]

???

[hot dome]

Following up on the previous advice, you should only use Atales for Veil
So swap out Icy Rock for Light Clay, and swap out Substitute for Veil and Tera Blast for Encore/Freeze Dry

[low phoenix]

there is a veils team that has been trending in wcop if you look around im sure you can find it

[summer cloak]

@fervent sluice heya if u pull off any stunt like this again to a rater trying to help you will not be allowed to participate in this part of the discord, much appreciated in advance

[fervent sluice]

This isn’t relevant to the conversation thanks

[summer cloak]

i wouldnt try to be headstrong if i were you

[fervent sluice]

I am only here to say excadrill bags ghould. Replying to an old msg

[hot dome]

Quaq is pretty bad rn since it struggles to break past common phys def mons and is outshined by other threats like Ceruledge and Dnite, while Maushold just struggles in general since its solo Normal stab in a tier of Ghosts and Steels + Rocky Helmet, all of which completely shut it down, like memester said above try using threats like SD Gliscor or Ceruledge instead, as those have favorable matchups into some phys def walls, and have seen recent prominent tournament usage

[summer cloak]

this is a rates channel, where official smogon raters rate the sended teams. if you do not want advice then do not post teams here, and do not ever harass raters as they are simply volunteers

[low phoenix]

air balloon is a very common item on ghold so its not a free switch anyways

[summer cloak]

as i said, last warning

[fervent sluice]

lol cool

fix your grammar before you come at someone, i’ll leave now

[gritty lake]

These stunfisk mains sure are stupid

[elder knoll]

Anyways onto a new topic

https://pokepast.es/82ae5aea0ae17980

How tf do I salvage this

[north nimbus]

Me thinks fs support would be a lot nice here

[elder knoll]

🤔

So rework the core to fit a Hat, Glowking, or Crown?

[north nimbus]

Ye

I do like the double fighting offense core I think I built something similar to that a while ago

But it def wants fs support especially cause ebelt Iron val will actually just farm stall

[naive mural]

It's a hyper offensive team

Wait

Should I replace kingambit with the candle dog

[low phoenix]

No

Hound stone is unviable

Veils enables frailer sweepers to actually have some bulk and threaten a sweep

[naive mural]

Okay thanks for the advice

[low phoenix]

Atails is completely outclassed by Kyu as an ice sweeper

[naive mural]

I don't use sub often

[naive mural]

I'm trying to use a no-legendary team

(Raging bolt is a paradox)

(Quite literally a paradox)

[low phoenix]

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

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[low phoenix]

I cannot help you then

[naive mural]

Ok thanks

I changed literally 2 moves

[trail whale]

I've used a similar team and CM is really useful on Latios. Lets it act as a breaker and sweeper with Tera Steel Psychic Noise being really dumb. Aura Sphere helps hit something like Kingambit but you already have two fighting types, Ting Lu, and Iron Defence Skarmory. On the other hand you could really use those +1 Draco Meteors to make up for how slow the team might feel. I recommend testing the suggested version for a couple of games to get a better understanding of how Calm Mind Latios works.

[final relic]

Run covert cloak draco cm psynoise tera steel

aura sphere isnt that good unless you wanna drop cm

This team seems very gliscor weak

[hot dome]

...why covert?

[elder knoll]

Hat and Garg

[hot dome]

garg doesn't really want to come in on latios anyways, while hatt is going to click dkiss/dazzling/wtv into you most of the time

[elder knoll]

Flip the Garg thing around

You can come in on Garg as Tera steel Latios

And use it as setup fodder

You also don’t care about Hat nuzzle either and you safely setup on Kyu without the threat of being frozen

[charred canopy]

using hatterene and garg as fodder is amazing, you become an unbreakable special kyurem answer, its just a good set

its common too

[hot dome]

or you could run lefties and setup reliable on kyurem anyways this time without getting chipped down and offset garg damage

[charred canopy]

you lose 18% per turn and cant blank garg

[hot dome]

not a fan of the covert but wtv if they want to run it that's up to them

[charred canopy]

garg is really good so a rock resist with recovery immune to ground that cant be salt cured and can set up is also really good

[north nimbus]

Covert is very lowkey broken

[hot dome]

i will never understand covert hype you get better mu into like two mons and neither of which are particularly top tier

[rapid frost]

ok but it lets you switch into garg

[charred canopy]

(depending on mon) pecharunt, hatterene, garganacl, alomomola, araquanid, glimmora, everything with psynoise

[rapid frost]

it also lets you absorb stuff like mortal spin, malignant

[charred canopy]

covert cloak ceruledge has been used recently

[rapid frost]

u never get frozen by kyu as well

[hot dome]

glimmora usually doesn't stick around for this to be relevant anyways

[rapid frost]

u turn hatt into complete setup fodder

[hot dome]

kyurem frozen is only really relevant for tera steel

[rapid frost]

?

[hot dome]

same with the hatt thing

[rapid frost]

switch in on glimm

if cloak->u take like 2% chip
if not cloak->u take 14% chip and then more

[hot dome]

im saying this is an uncommon interaction

[rapid frost]

as opposed to the other myriad of teras latios runs???

[hot dome]

im talking abotu avery's general list

if we're looking at latios specifically, i still do not like having to burn tera just to turn this item into a halfway decent one

meanwhile, lefties is good no matter what

[rapid frost]

ok but you don't have to burn tera to get value against pecha, garg, hatt, glimm

[hot dome]

???

you most definitely have to burn tera to get value against hatt lmao

[rapid frost]

wdym

you psynoise and now everything hatt uses does a nice 20% at most

[hot dome]

0 SpA Hatterene Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 132-156 (43.8 - 51.8%) -- 6.3% chance to 2HKO

[rapid frost]

faya

what does psychic noise do

[hot dome]

i didnt know psychic noise halved the damage of draining kiss

did i miss a patch notes somewhere?

[rapid frost]

faya

what is draining kiss's secondary effect

[charred canopy]

draining kiss is a healing move

[magic dome]

psychic noise blocks dkiss

[hot dome]

figured it just blocked the secondary, didnt know it blocked the entirety, that's neat ig

but then once again id rather just run lefties

also why tf is all of former stallcord in this channel rn

[rapid frost]

faya aren't you a mod of OU room? this is not an uncommon interaction 😭

[spiral wedge]

Cloak is probably the 2nd most used item on lati

[hot dome]

i dont use psynoise nor hatt often

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral wedge]

And most psychic cm guys carry psynoise or shock

[magic dome]

yeah

[spiral wedge]

Pretty common interaction 🤷🏾‍♂️

[hot dome]

ok i want you to list all the psychic cm guys

[spiral wedge]

Hatt, lati, crown off dome

[rapid frost]

prim also runs pnoise

[spiral wedge]

Ya prim is big

[magic dome]

bee does too

[spiral wedge]

Hoopa too ig but that's a rare mon

[hot dome]

ok, now list the dkiss users

[spiral wedge]

Latias, hatterene

[rapid frost]

prim again

[nocturne sable]

What secondary effect move does araq use, lunge??

[spiral wedge]

But ur also stopping soft boiled

[rapid frost]

sinistcha uses matcha gotcha

[spiral wedge]

Which is huge

And lefties

[hot dome]

im not saying psychic noise is bad???

[spiral wedge]

Bitter blade on ceruledge

[hot dome]

ok its clear that whoever posted this in the stallcord chat is just dropping context

[rapid frost]

stops draining punch

[spiral wedge]

Point being ur flipping a matchup

[hot dome]

and this convo is way out of context for this chat now

[spiral wedge]

It's not in stallcord LOL

[hot dome]

gender cord, wtv yall call it

[spiral wedge]

You can check urself

[hot dome]

this context is out of the chat, we've strayed way off the mark atp, i dont like covert yall do to each their own

[spiral wedge]

It's also the item on the new ceru set

On veil

[rapid frost]

what MUs does lefties help with lowkey

like its constant value but I've never had a game with latios where I've been like

"wow if I had lefties I would've won this"

I guess its nice with taking less recovers as a kyurem switchin?

but then if u get frozen gg

[hot dome]

this channel is for rates and this convo has gone on for way too long

if you want to continue it, sure, but take it to #comp-general

[spiral wedge]

Btw what's gendercord

[gusty ocean]

A discord for every gender

(Server for members of the former group alt iron gender)

[spiral wedge]

Ohhh

I've played vs that account on ladder

Always loads some crazy teams