SV OU Rates

[low phoenix]

Also hdb zama

Since you already have a wincon in dragonite

[atomic jolt]

Little update on this
I've been testing some more and my issues have been mostly on how my defense is a bit lackluster cause skarm+gambit aren't well equipped to answer sun or cinderace, though I can somewhat mitigate it a bit by using tera defensively.

Alo's also the only proper special wall so when she goes down vs some offense teams, I'm royally screwed

I'm wondering if I can change some of the support mons around so that I can still have some hazards while also addressing hazards myself.
Haven't tried Cinderace yet but I feel I might have a losing matchup against stall or bulkier teams especially once they get to stacking hazards cause none of my breakers are using hbd.

My answer to offense is usually the bulkier mons I have, with skarm phazing physical setup, but outside of alo flip turn or double switching, I don't have a good way to pivot into my pult/oger-c as well, was thinking of swapping alo for a future sight + chilly reception glowking but that leaves me with the same problem anyway with even less good answers to any special wallbreaker lmao

Sorry for the wall of text

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/e36f7aa99a19b967

I feel like it's missing something

[gritty lake]

A wincon

[misty basin]

For the 7 people here
I understood it the first damn time ok? You lot are such a hive mind I can't be left alone if I didn't know that tera ice was common?

I understood it the first time

[hot dome]

it was two people

and if you're handing out poor advice idk why you're getting upset when people are correcting it

[silver river]

rai and pult

[silver river]

I just got my ass handed to me by a tera fire gambit.
This definitely needs improvement 😭

[hot dome]

this team is extmreely strange since you have lo darkrai, an offensive mon, and then a hard stall/fat pick of clodsire, balance/stall mola, and then a corv and cinderace?

its just all over the place

i would recommend picking a style and sticking to it, but either way this team is honestly unviable and would need to be scrapped

find a core of pokemon you want to use, build around them

ie mola corv, or pult darkrai, or clod corv, etc

[silver river]

Thanks, i needed that

[silver river]

Real

[atomic jolt]

I went and changed my supporting mons and it feels like it's improved, it's less bulky than the original but it has some ways to deal with ho and stall without feeling too awkward https://pokepast.es/6e1ab8be953b48ea
I'd like this rated, I know a bit about the meta but not to the point I understand if there are specific mons I can adjust my EVs/Tera Types to, I'll still test my team but I'd like some expert opinion, especially on mid-high ladder lol

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/7197840f269d91d5

the power of lesbianism

[tardy sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/d6e548ef811f50af tried to make a heatran team but i think its pretty suboptimal rn and im still very new to building

[orchid sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/c762fedc2809dbdf

updated version of Blaziken Aurora Veil HO

[bright plinth]

can someone help me. I made this team https://pokepast.es/47090142d22136c4 for ceruledge but its not working out if anyone has any tips please tell me (also i am new so it might just be a skill issue but still it would be very helpful)

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8ae720dbaff2af7b

[night inlet]

https://pokepast.es/45d4ff983d0a1821

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic walrus]

if you want ceruledge, build a sun team, it makes ceru a good breakee

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/a6db709fe7d71081
decided to scrap kyurem and try out dnite

not too concerned about no boots on dnite since treads can do a good enough job

[bright plinth]

can u give me a list cause i tried one before and i didn't like it

[magic walrus]

List of what

[wooden linden]

looks pretty solid. i can see some adjustments needed though

if youre using sticky web you arent going to use wake

[bright plinth]

of a sun team lol

[bright plinth]

okay

[wooden linden]

the val and tusk set also can be changed

tusk can use booster energy instead of replace stealth rocks with another move

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/796bf2bd36e89d42 this is the one

[wooden linden]

and val can be made modest with vacuum wave over encore

[bright plinth]

thank u

[bright plinth]

okay

[bright plinth]

i wanted to replace encore too

[bright plinth]

is that it ?

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/a2107fdb8ee93be4
i tried making improving the team out

i took out wake for bolt since you were a little weak to moltres and such

[bright plinth]

thank u alot u didn't have to do all of that

[wooden linden]

its chill

[bright plinth]

alright

[bright plinth]

one day it will be chill for me too , thank u again

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/91769d4d45ad5d49

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/65051f8b91763563

some dragonite

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

i feel like you struggle to make progress vs bulkier teams

https://pokepast.es/f3e37fe5f46db5a0

heres a sample team with a similar tink ting zam core for reference

[simple kayak]

Hello guys ! New to competitive pokemon, by which I mean it's my first time actually trying to follow the rules and meta; I am trying to learn so I can feel at least a bit smarter with my teambuilding choices because so far I was only choosing my favorite mons and turning all of them into sweepers with no actual synergy.

I would like to get some advice or rating regarding a sun weather team I made; nothing too fancy, I built it around Walking Wake who is my favourite sun abuser and I improved it from builds and videos I've seen online : https://pokepast.es/d30814312d8e456b

I must add that I try my best to not include any legendary mon, it's a rule I like to follow even though I know I am just crippling myself with the choices I get, but I try to build strategic teams with a little emphasis on "roleplay logic" if you see what I mean

[low phoenix]

Isn’t this just a sample team

The sun one

Anyways props to you for using an actually good team/sample despite being new not a lot of people have the initiative to do that

[atomic jolt]

It's the sample sun team with some minor changes
I think a good one was him cheekily changing the walking wake's evs so that it proto boosts speed instead of spa lol

Still good damage but outspeeds everything that hasn't had a speed boost

[simple kayak]

I based this team on the one I made on my own right after Walking Wake's release on S/V, initially I used a Roaring Moon, the Solar Power Charizard who appeared in a special raid before the DLC release and a Torkoal instead of a Ninetales for the sun setter.

I switched for Ninetales recently, thinking that I liked my torkoal better when it was allowed to yawn, but I just learned about sleeping clauses yesterday, and I already had my great tusk to play as the hazard remover/setter, so I didn't care much about keeping torkoal for rapid spin.

I swapped charizard for venusaur because I knew about his chlorophyll ability and learned that apparently, regular zard is really disliked in the meta :c (plus already got ceruledge, ninetales and flamethrower on WW for fire coverage)

I put a hatterene in place of the roaring moon since it's gone to uber now, so I could get another hazard/status counter but I just learned about her yesterday too, so it's a recent addition

And yeah I prefer my WW to be faster than stronger under protosynthesis' proc, I feel like it takes people by surprise more often than not

But I'm relieved to see it looks like a decent team then, thanks haha !

I didn't learn about sample teams until I started reading earlier messages in the channel (I just joined the discord specifically to ask for some opinion), I really like the bulky offense sample team about hydrapple

I'm actually tweaking it to see how I can make it more personal, I'll be asking about rating it soon !

[elder knoll]

solar blade is better than CC for Ceru

you hit more stuff

Polte is also better than CC

just don’t use CC tbh

If you feel the need to go booster attack tusk you should swap over to set that beats Corviknight

You can drop rocks for Temper Flare or CC

CC is more generally useful but you need to read Corv coming in

Flare you can just headlong whatever’s on field and temper flare if Corv comes in
Otherwise I would recommend going Supercell slam as it eases the stall matchup slightly by forcing Dondozo to Tera or killing it while still beating Corv

A damage boosting item would probably ideal in that scenario

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/cefa82713a3acfc4

debating on tb fairy eq but idk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[simple kayak]

So either temper flare or supercell slam, or do you mean I should get both ?

[elder knoll]

Either

[wooden linden]

I feel if youre going to use non boots dnite youll need a solid hazard remover

Bc multiscale is really nice to preserve especially if you cant heal the dmg back

Smth like a tusk or treads can be used over lu since youll be fine vs special attackers with glowking and tinka

Tb ghost is fine for dnite btw since it can function as a spinblocker for your team

[narrow crest]

keep rocks on tink or move em to tusk?

thinking also spikes on pon and knock on darkrai

https://pokepast.es/9d770f3193baf059 like this?

maybe even adamant oger?

[wooden linden]

jolly oger is fine here

you'd like the extra speed

if you really want tusk to have a bigger input on the team you can try booster speed bulk up

your team is a little slow so adding a booster speed tusk can help out

though you can still stick to boots if you start having issues with hazards

[narrow crest]

yeah i was thinking boots knock off or tera fire temper flare on the bu set

[wooden linden]

boots knock off is pretty consistent so you can stick to that

[low phoenix]

What does cloak on dragonite do?

Team doesn’t look too bad, although i personally prefer a standard dnite set on this team

[wooden linden]

cloak is to set up on garg prob

also pech

[tacit bluff]

^

niche but it does work sometimes

[wooden linden]

tbf though garg and pech are handled pretty well already

[tacit bluff]

although I'm not

[wooden linden]

i could see lum or spell tag

[tacit bluff]

100% sure cloak blocks parting

[wooden linden]

it doesnt

[tacit bluff]

oh its for chain

yeah fair

[wooden linden]

yeah just for malignant

[tacit bluff]

was gonna say I think the stat drops are a primary affect

[wooden linden]

i was gonna say tusk is kinda annoying for this team

wellspring should be fine but cc variants can be a pain

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/84730576a49572fb

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[edgy warren]

https://pokepast.es/000f7541ea027f54

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/b2dd0d997d1c31a0
Specs Keldeo webs. Thoughts?

[wooden linden]

Keld and sini are a bit odd on webs

They dont really fit the webs playstyle all too well

Keld i feel can be a cm set

[queen saddle]

I was thinking of l-orb cm.

[wooden linden]

That works yeah

Sini can be changed for another ghost type

[queen saddle]

And Sinsitcha is a spin blocker. Similar to Pech and Ghold, but it’s not really weak to Tusk.

[wooden linden]

Gholdengo def can work

[queen saddle]

Yeah, Ghold works, don’t get me wrong.

I just wanted to try Sinisticha.

[wooden linden]

If you really wanted to try sinistcha on webs

You can go max special attack

And max hp

[queen saddle]

Alr.

[edgy warren]

band pult balance , anything to improve on?

[wooden linden]

Unfortunately ttar isnt that good in ou

Id say use ting lu over ttar

[queen saddle]

Btw, Sinisticha is meant to be colbur. I just made the team on my phone but been using it on my PC.

[wooden linden]

Provides an electric immunity and a hazard setter

Colbur should be fine yeah

[edgy warren]

previous iteration of the team had ting lu

i have found ttar to be much much better at pressuring teams because of stab knock

knock off is basically the only reason im using it, it's also better into stuff like iron moth and kyurem

it's also pretty good with slowking becuase glowking regens off all the sand chip and replaces it with snow for my sustain-less mons

2 previous versions of the team had garg and ting lu before ttar but ttar has definitely been most useful in my experience, even if it's a lot easier to take down

[wooden linden]

Youre fine vs kyurem and moth even without ttar so theyre not too much of an issue

It has knock which is great but youre losing a lot more utility with things like ruination

[edgy warren]

kyurems a struggle

even with ttar

that mons very versatile

[wooden linden]

You have a glowking no?

That handles special sets fine

[edgy warren]

glowking + pult is decent into it but any physical or mixed kyurem is really hard to predict

idk when to keep zama healthy

[edgy warren]

knock is a million times better than ruination lol

the team was really missing something with ting lu and i realised it was knock off

considered dropping flip on wake for knock

but flip gives a lot of free openigns for pult to kill, or for zama to come in for a sweep

[wooden linden]

I was gonna change the wake

Take out flamethrower

[edgy warren]

hmm

i really struggle vs steels already tho

[wooden linden]

You have a zama

[edgy warren]

any steel that beats zama is rough even with flame on wake

corv + any mon that walls zama is really difficult to break, but flame + flip turn wake allows me to force 50/50s where they go into a special wall that drops to pult

and ttar rocks + sand + knock really helps, i will consider dropping flip turn for knock tho

i just feel flip is much safer than hard switching to pult on predictions

[wooden linden]

Youre fine vs steels tbh

Theres only ghold and corv that zama cant really break

And you handle ghold fine with pult and ting or ttar

[edgy warren]

the problem is a lot of teams will have a steel + something like gweez or pecharunt

[wooden linden]

Future sight glowking no?

[gritty lake]

🙏

[edgy warren]

future sight is generally my only hope vs these teams even with flame on wake but it's still tough

[edgy warren]

roar over sub zama?

[wooden linden]

Ngl wake can prob just run scald over hydro steam

Threatens a burn vs the corvs

And iirc it does decent enough dmg to force roost

[edgy warren]

perhaps

i was running hydro steam because it completely runs over any sun team

but im pretty good vs sun now that i have ttar

• glowking is a secondary weather changer

[wooden linden]

Yeah thats why im saying scald

[edgy warren]

i'll try

scald + knock

might be good

[wooden linden]

Also your mu vs bolt is really bad

Like theres no electric immunity for one

But also only pult can really hurt it

Glowking cant do much back and ttar gets heavily chunked by a tbolt

[edgy warren]

ya ik lol

https://pokepast.es/87a51c3afb1b2b6c

it's probs my worst mu

i changed wake to ground tera as a last resort for it

zamazenta can rkill it though, as sub counters thunderclap

if it tera fairies it can be chunked by gking decently, i do have some options for it

i could maybe drop pforce for sucker on pult

as pforce is just in case i cant tera pult and it almost never gets used

[wooden linden]

I feel at this point if you have to tera for a ground typing

[edgy warren]

maybe eq ttar over rock blast

[wooden linden]

Then theres prob smth that can be changed

[edgy warren]

potentially lol

i could see wake being changed if theres something that can fill its role and rkill rbolt

ive tested both ting lu and ttar though, ttar is definitely better and ting lu by no means counters raging bolt anyway

just checks it decently

[wooden linden]

Ok i think youre just no using ting lu all that well

Like sure it still takes a lot from +1 dpulse

But eq takes over 60 ish percent

And unless you are just throwing this guy into every supereffective attack it should not be getting that low health

[edgy warren]

i found that

raging bolt vs ting lu was always

it boosters for proto spa

cms on ting lu switch

and then it's a 50/50 on whether it just hits me and i get to eq it and barely win the 1v1

or it teras to beat me 1v1 and i whirlwind

[wooden linden]

Just whirlwind regardless if it teras or not

[edgy warren]

and now my ting lu is no longer capable of winning 1v1 + raging bolt can still sweep without proto

[edgy warren]

i was doing that generally to be safe

[wooden linden]

A lot of the threat from bolt is from that proto boost

[edgy warren]

and it would come in later on my now weakened lu and win anyway

maybe kyurem over walking wake?

[wooden linden]

No kyurem doesnt fit well

[edgy warren]

how come

i think i originally didnt use it bc of lack of pivot move

[wooden linden]

Kyurem is really bad vs hazards

Like immensly bad

[edgy warren]

im using boots duh

i was using boots wake for a reason

[wooden linden]

Boots kyurem is bad

[edgy warren]

lol what

[wooden linden]

Like dont use genuinely

[edgy warren]

idt any kyurem is bad

u could use sub protect kyurem with tackle as your only damaging move itd still be good somehow

[wooden linden]

Thats a terrible example but ok

[edgy warren]

whats wrong w boots kyurem

[wooden linden]

Kyurem doesnt hit hard enough without a boosting item

It cant break through a glowking

[edgy warren]

my main breaker is pult

wake cant break glowking either thats why id always go pult on any obvious glowking switch and pick up a free kill

[wooden linden]

You have knock on wake

[edgy warren]

wake is there to force out stuff like lando glisc tusk

kyurem is doing the same thing but now i have something to threaten tanky waters and resist thunderclap

i will try it i think

[wooden linden]

Ok first of all you are fine vs waters

Either they lose to zama or they lose to glowking

Youre gonna be fine for them

[edgy warren]

they can still really slow the game down

ive ran w this team from like 1400s to 1700s and yes, waters do not beat my team but they definitely annoy it

i'll probs stick to wake but i am testing kyurem

[wooden linden]

You have a cb pult with uturn

Theres like one water thats fine with it

And that loses to glowking

[edgy warren]

tanky waters with strong hazard setters can be difficult i wanna see if kyurem aids that

[wooden linden]

Theres only prim that really does that stuff

And honestly kyu is not breaking an av prim especially without a boosting item

Its doing 40 to a prim then dying to moonblast

[edgy warren]

40 chip vs a mon with no leftovers and dkiss as sole sustain

is definitely not bad lol

[wooden linden]

I said av prim

Cm prim you already are fine with

And even then itll cm then dkiss the dmg back

And the gking is right there still

[edgy warren]

yes?

40 on an av mon is completely fine

no lefties

• only possible sustain is dkiss

[wooden linden]

You lose an entire mon for 40

[edgy warren]

what

[wooden linden]

First of all prim run moonblast on av sets

[edgy warren]

why are we assuming im freeze drying when primarina is in instead of on its switch

ok so 40 chip on 0 sustain

[wooden linden]

So you lose a mon for 80

[edgy warren]

why am i saccing kyurem instead of taking my 40 chip and leaving lol

i have gking corv

[wooden linden]

Yeah you have a gking

Kyurem is not needed

A balance team is fine with slowing the pace down in a match thats why its called balance

[edgy warren]

also my main issue is not with primarina its with alomomola

[wooden linden]

You have a gking

[edgy warren]

vs bulky teams i want games to be fast so they cant keep up sustain vs my pivots

[wooden linden]

So you want a bulky offense team

[edgy warren]

i wouldnt say this team is bulky offense considering corv, gking and ttar r all defensive utility sets

but a balance team does not want to play too long vs stall and fat lol

[wooden linden]

Balance is fine vs stall and fat

[edgy warren]

balance wants to slow down games vs HO so the focus sashes and booster energies r gone

[edgy warren]

yeah? but it wants to put pressure on these teams quickly lol

[wooden linden]

Its fine if it doesnt what

[edgy warren]

balance is a middleground that wants to slow games down vs offense and speed up vs fat

[wooden linden]

It doesnt need to quicjly

[edgy warren]

yeah but it's not ideal

[wooden linden]

no it is completely fine doing that

if they cant break through your tanky mons

then what are they going to do

[edgy warren]

my teams only consistent sustain is corv lol a lot of these teams r capable of breaking me especially with hazard stacking

[wooden linden]

corv has defog

fat teams do not run ghold

[edgy warren]

since when huh

[wooden linden]

wdym since when

[edgy warren]

is gholdengo an offense mon purely now?

[wooden linden]

its very good on offense yes

[edgy warren]

ive missed a couple chapters of this ou lol

[edgy warren]

ik that but is it not also good on fat

[wooden linden]

theres really not a need to fit on it

higher competition with pech and such

[edgy warren]

tru tru but i dont understand the argument of wake over kyurem atm, other than better mu vs fire types that i have ttar for anyway

[wooden linden]

kyurem is much slower for one

crown is a legitimately scary mon to face if you did have a kyurem

[edgy warren]

oh true crown is an issue

[wooden linden]

wake also generally fits on balance teams more comfortably with knock and scald

[edgy warren]

wake rarely beats it anyway tho booster crown just kinda fucks this team if i dont have full hp ttar

[wooden linden]

booster crown is rare

and also not that good

knock off is a way more valuable tool on wake

[edgy warren]

i face it occasionalyl

[wooden linden]

bc boots kyu is not breaking through a fat team

[edgy warren]

ya ig knock is a good reason to keep wake

considering 90% of the reason i have ttar over ting is knock xd

[wooden linden]

plus youre like

way better into garg with wake

knock and scald will break the garg down unlike boots kyu

[edgy warren]

o yeah idk how i forgot abt garg

garg is like a big part of why i had wake now that i remember

altho tera water garg is just

the fuhrer of ou

[wooden linden]

future sight plus band pult can usually handle tera water garg

plus you forced it to tera with wake

[edgy warren]

is difficult bc most garg teams have a fairy too

and so i have to make several predictions in a row to make sure no one can recover and that i dont kill my pult by mistake

another reason ttar is nice is bc it punishes tera on gargs

knocks them and they start taking sand chip

treads mu is a lot better with wake btw i think i will keep it over kyurem with the new scald knock set

https://pokepast.es/0d5518c2988d1d61

[wooden linden]

alright this will work

[edgy warren]

ya

im 1700s rn might push for 1900 after my exams

i havent hit 1900 since like early gen

annihilape meta

[wooden linden]

oh youre also in that range

[edgy warren]

hm?

[wooden linden]

youre in 1700s

same with me atm

[edgy warren]

ah

funny last time i peaked was also with a ttar team

and the previous best ghost type in the tier (annihilape)

actually zama ismore comparable to ape than pult

[elder knoll]

why do you have knock wake

without spikes

[edgy warren]

what

[elder knoll]

go like Keldeo or something

without spikes

wake is mid

[edgy warren]

wake is mid off sun but it fits here

keldeo is also not

a great mon lol

[elder knoll]

nor is wake not on hazard stack

😔

the main reason to you wake off sun

is flip/knock

[edgy warren]

everything gotta be hazard stack this gen 😴

i have rocks and future sight, i dont also need spikes to get value out of knocking lefties/boots whatever

[mystic belfry]

what’s a good dragonite team?

[gritty lake]

everywhere you look, you will find a good dragonite team

[mystic belfry]

nvm I made one

hyper offense

[viscid mist]

https://pokepast.es/084ee8549cba6dfa

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

so whay changes you recommend?

def thinking power whip over leech on oger

def helps with tusk

[tacit bluff]

Yeah I think so

Idk how much I fw low kick as the other coverage move on dnite

What is it for exactly

Zama I assume?

[narrow crest]

i mean the jolly tera ghost encore set literally counters zama

just encore them into id or body press

[narrow crest]

also this is why i was considering tb fairy eq

dozo matchup is a bit funny tho

[tacit bluff]

I think that's fine

Dozo hmmm

You could maybe like

Troll it with encore on dnite

Like you get through eventually

[narrow crest]

true yeah but wave crash is annoying especailly if i already tera ghost

[tacit bluff]

Does any member feel like the weakest link

[narrow crest]

yeah power whip def helps with the dozo situation

[tacit bluff]

Or do you think the six you have are good

[narrow crest]

i mean glow is always nice. pech could be interesting in its place. tink feels weird sometimes

i miss ting on this team but tusk is neede

like future sight just doesnt really fit well here but its bo it kinda needs glow

but sight really helps break walls

also thinking tera ghost rai to help with dnite, and be able to maybe set up on bliss

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

I do kinda like tink here I can't rly think of another rocker that fits the bill well

Usually I go Lando and call it a day but

Yk

Kyurem and allat

Taunt darkrai sounds cool but you lose out on some offensive pressure

Cause you're probably dropping plot for that

I'm also noticing your speed control isn't that strong

Hmmm ok

What if scarf ghold

Over darkrai

And then you can maybe go Lando

Giving you the option of taunt

Albeit you do lose knock off

But I do also like boots attacker samurott here

Giving you said knock user back

@narrow crest how does that sound

It's a bit of an overhaul but I think it covers some of the issues fine

Scarf ghold has the potential to run nasty plot after tricking scarf away away plus it's a spin blocker

Lando can exert a bit more pressure than tink

Especially offensive variants

Albeit those usually drop taunt

And then samurott is like

Just cool overall imo

Exerts a ton of pressure by just existing

Can disrupt the opponent with encore

Or taunt

Has knock off spikes and pivoting asw

Strong pivots are the name of the game here you wanna get dnite in safely

You also want to get tusk in safely to clear hazards since you're not boots dnite

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/9fe1004ee9e5b17e resto chesto Dragonite offense

(It was originally tera blast ghost so don't mind the name)

The Dragonite set is subject to change, but I chose resto chesto because it looks fun for the super STAB option. Additionally, it makes Pokemon like Gweezing, Moltres, Zapdos, and status mons setup fodder for Dragonite.

Iron Valiant helps punch holes through the team for Dragonite to cleanup later

Primarina and Gholdengo are my defensive pivots, and Gholdengo additionally can be a status attacker

[hot dome]

ok you've cooked too much

[frozen spoke]

Cinderace is the offensive pivot that helps us with fairies (plus hazard control)

[hot dome]

just run lum + roost its basically the same

[frozen spoke]

Yeah not gonna disagree with that 😅

I saw it in a Pinkacross video and thought it would be fun

But yeah resto chesto does seem worse when you point it out

[arctic frigate]

Secret pinkacross propaganda makes everyone run dragonite

he has a dnite counterteam

gg

[low phoenix]

I think every other rate here has been a tblast dnite since that pinkacross video

[edgy warren]

ur gonna wanna run dragonite and then 5 other pokemon (optional)

[edgy warren]

oh it was pinkacross that ruined ladder with 50 different tera blast dnite variants? sick

[simple kayak]

Hello guys, I was interested in using a team revolving around hydrapple and saw the sample bulky offense team, so I took it and made some personal adjustments : https://pokepast.es/73f222e6b3949121

Mostly I tried to replace the legendaries as I made a rule to not use any mythical in my teams. I know it's plain sabotage to not use some of them when they are just the better choice over many other mons, but still.

The main changes are haxorus as a physical wallbreaker instead of tinkaton, kilowattrel to replace zapdos as a cheaper version of the latter, and scizor instead of zama for the steel stab prio pivot

[alpine furnace]

Raters dont typically rate teams with arbitrary rules attached to them

Also Killowattrel is nowhere near zap, can't even be called a cheaper version since Zap can be run with both defensive and offensive sets while kilowattrel is a mediocre offensive bird that has none of the defensive utility zap does.

[simple kayak]

I simply transfered the zapdos set onto something that looked similar, since in that sample team it's used exactly like this (I put thunderbolt on my kilowattrel but it can run weather ball too)

[hot dome]

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

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[hot dome]

• relax is right we don’t help teams with arbitrary conditions nor teams that are just modified samples

[simple kayak]

Okay my bad my bad

[narrow crest]

you think you can get me a paste for this you kinda lost me lol

[tacit bluff]

Sure gimme a moment

[narrow crest]

lmk when you’ve got it! hyped for this cuz i really wanna see this core work

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/e2e7048074be65e7

evs can be swapped around

samu has been seeing a lot of ev experimentation

[wooden linden]

i feel lando isnt needed here tbh

tusk fills the role of a ground type well enough here

[gritty lake]

Garchomp

[wooden linden]

nah chomp doesnt really fit here either

[gritty lake]

[wooden linden]

tusk is basically required for non boots dnite

[gritty lake]

Over lando

[wooden linden]

eh

i mean tankchomp isnt really needed

and tbh dnite is good enough of a sweeper

val im thinking can work over lando with either specs or booster energy

theres not much instant power so specs val can do really well here

[tacit bluff]

Tink didn't work after I put ghold

Albeit ig it's an option if oger scary

Does better into it than Lando

[wooden linden]

tink isnt needed here yeah

ghold is fine on the team

[tacit bluff]

They want a rocker tho

And I don't really wanna compress tusk into that slot

Because then there's a lot of strain on it

[gritty lake]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

[wooden linden]

fair enough

lando can work here but you will need smth for wellspring

[gritty lake]

You know a ground that helps with wellspring?

Pdon

[tacit bluff]

Ye that's kinda the issue rn

[gritty lake]

Cant u just

[tacit bluff]

Man I hate that mon

[gritty lake]

Chomp>lando waterpon>samu

[wooden linden]

i am thinking of pult somewhere here

wisp pult at least

[gritty lake]

Or any other dragon like pult

Ye

[tacit bluff]

Hmmmm what if

The goat itself

https://tenor.com/view/skarmory-gif-9585565

[gritty lake]

Gogoat?

Spikes toxic protect whirlwind

[tacit bluff]

Ground immunity
answers rem
walls off pon and can whirlwind it out
still sets rocks

Only thing it can't do is pivot

I like gassing up skarm lol

[gritty lake]

Skarm deserves ou

It's still the goat

[wooden linden]

skarm could work here

compress ghold and lando prob

[tacit bluff]

Ghold I put for the spinblocking tbh

Rocks and spikes but no blocker

Is goofy

[wooden linden]

i was thinking of like

sini

[tacit bluff]

Yeah I was too

But then the team has no speed control

It becomes very slow

[wooden linden]

scarf samu maybe at this point

youre running flip turn anyways so may as well have scarf

[tacit bluff]

Hm yeah ig

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/71580426f02c297f
smth like this would work here

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Chatot....

[wooden linden]

wait

hi chatot

bastard

[tacit bluff]

Yeah I fw this

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/445ce739cc935df1

[narrow crest]

MY LORD AND SAVIOR SINISTCHA

feels a bit slow now tho

booster speed tusk perhaps

[wooden linden]

scarf samu is good enough speed control here

and you have the defensive backbone for stuff that are faster like val

though you could try booster speed if you want

[narrow crest]

bet bet. im kinda liking the look of tera poison on samu ngl

over water

[wooden linden]

You could do tera poison

[edgy warren]

https://pokepast.es/afe7167a6cdb6dfc is good for specs rem?

[elder knoll]

Needs more hazard control

Put defog on Mandi

Additionally speed control may also be nice since everything is slower than booster speed mons and Pult

[edgy warren]

maybe ya

[edgy warren]

what do you suggest?

[nocturne sable]

Isn’t it just easier to run The ting corv sample team

I don’t really get the appeal of running mandibuzz over them

[edgy warren]

brah did u really just tell me to use a sample in an rmt

ting corv generates less momentum than glisc buzz, and i have no knock then

[plain hamlet]

Trying to cook up a hazard team, looking for areas that I could improve it to make it more consistent https://pokepast.es/db7a7982806b3744

[nocturne sable]

Does glisc not have knock

[edgy warren]

when u say ting corv i imagine u meant its better ghan

glisc buzz

[nocturne sable]

I was mainly questioning the decision to run Mandibuzz in general

[edgy warren]

mandi good imo

pretty decent blanket check to a lot of stuf

reliable recovery

can run knock/defog, physical mons cant really set up on it bc of foul play

uturn obv

also by the ting lu sample do you mean the one by Lily?

im looking at it and i dont like running a team w/o knock off

[nocturne sable]

Ye the corv lu ace Kyu

[edgy warren]

ya not a fan

i like blizzard tho i didnt think to run blizzard on kyurem

[low phoenix]

you mean a webs team

i think booster attack tusk over treads and sp.attack boosted valiant can work

looks fine otherwise

[nocturne sable]

Fair enough. Although one of the main reasons I dislike Mandibuzz is it’s pretty prone to rocks especially after a knock

[edgy warren]

a lot of really good mons r too

moltres and zapdos r strong ou picks and they crumble to knock as well

[low phoenix]

mandi is niche

its fat

but passive af

a dark type that doesnt do shit vs gholdengo

[nocturne sable]

Mandi has foul play and cna block future sight

[low phoenix]

is unfortunate to say the least

yea but

pech has foul play

and can do other things

[nocturne sable]

Yea that’s why corv is usually spammed, defogger that can absorb knock off as well

[low phoenix]

corv is used more as a physical check these days tbh

not as a defogger

g-weezing is the main defogger in ou now imo

[nocturne sable]

Ik I’m just mentioning that it’s a good knock absorber

[low phoenix]

yea

ig

[plain hamlet]

Are webs not a hazard?

[turbid kelp]

?

[gritty lake]

Cooked by fairy types

Or wellspring

[nocturne sable]

Imo a lot of stuff on this team is redundant

[gritty lake]

^

[nocturne sable]

You do not need ting Lu, skeledirge and spdef spikes Gliscor all on one team

[bright plinth]

does anyone have an Araquanid build

with web

[gritty lake]

!samples

[regal ginkgo]

Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

[gritty lake]

Fuc

Anyways

There's a sample team with it

[bright plinth]

where ?

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[bright plinth]

okay thanks

[gritty lake]

Oh nvm it's bee webs

[bright plinth]

lol

[turbid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/08749306e2700c68

Dis better?

[bright plinth]

i found one

[nocturne sable]

Not really, this kinda loses to hazards and Zama imo should just be maxed attack

It seems you’re also just mixing a bunch of mons so which playstyle are you trying to lean to more?

[grand veldt]

Band greninja hazard stack v1.

https://pokepast.es/93136525c6f5af15

Was I lowkey cooking

[turbid kelp]

Balance?

[nocturne sable]

Hmm imo

I’m making Lokix a SD waterpon

Corv,Tusk>>>>>Prim and Gliscor

Fix the Zama set and make it max attack HDB and give glowking HDB as well. Maybe make glowking Thunder wave to help cripple stuff to make up for the speed control

Then I think the team should be fine

[alpine yarrow]

Been having fun using this https://pokepast.es/8bdb31cc85a55039
thinking of changing the treads tera to something like ghost to match-up better into dnite and tusk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/364ca65859c615bc

Rotom wash is kinda peak ngl

Tera steel is recommended on it, and like i get it, steel+levitate is good, but i want to run tera grass on it

[viscid mist]

https://pokepast.es/26b3c52014537238

[silver river]

Where did you get those raging bolt EVs from?

[viscid mist]

speed is enough to outspeed bulky gholdengo and full speed kingambit

full bulk and what was left i put in SpA (this is because usually when raging bolt comes in it can calm mind at least once and damage rarely felt an issue)

i think that was it

[low phoenix]

webs teams and hazard stack teams play very differently

webs teams enable slower breakers like ogerpon manaphy sp.attack moth to invest in their attack rather than focusing on speed control

hazard stack teams spam hazards and wear down the team with a typircally defensive core setting hazards while maintaining some offense capability with natural speed control (zamazenta) or a offensive knocker(weavile)

[low phoenix]

how does this team not get goobed by offensive fairies

scarf gholdengo can only do so much before it gets overwhelmed

[nocturne sable]

Not really a fan of that bolt set. Bulk invested booster energy seems odd.

Sub pon seems odd and non fairy coverage valiant is… interesting

Some odd sets for sure, your two forms of speed control lose to Zama

Not a big fan of non trick on scarf meow since it’s kinda weak and not really crippling anything

Ting LU and hazard stack in general eats this team alive

I don’t see the synergy is this team tbh

[nocturne sable]

Does the team not have gambit

[low phoenix]

iron valiant

[plain hamlet]

ohhhhhhhhh, I see. thought I could try shoving both on a team

[nocturne sable]

Oh ye

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/128c7fcbd68dc7b8
Thoughts?
I’ve seen that with trick room, you need 3 setters. It’s really difficult with two, and I’ve had people tell me to use 3 and others who say 2. I’m going w 3 here though.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

i never play trick room

[queen saddle]

And imo, I agree w 3.
I really like this team though, Torkoal makes Necrozma and Ursaluna stronger with fire punch and heat wave which I like. Ursaluna and Torkoal are just nukes, while Gambit cleans end game.

[low phoenix]

but you prob want healing wish on hatt

[queen saddle]

And Hatt and Cress are obvious.

[low phoenix]

so you give your trick room sweeper a second chance

[queen saddle]

It does help, yeah, but I like misty explosion more tbh. It just helps with lead sashers more like Ribombee and whatnot.

I don’t waste a TR turn on them and that helps a lot.

Lunar dance also helps, ofc, when I need it for Luna/Torkoal.

[low phoenix]

why do you care about ribombee

they ain't setting webs on a tr team

being slower than them helps you lmao

[queen saddle]

Ribombee I just used as an example.

Samu is the main one.

He’s a scary ho for my team.

[nocturne sable]

SAMU is very annoying for TR teams

Misty explosion in that case is valid, me personally I run both because there is some scenarios where I want healing wish

[queen saddle]

Wait, that’s a good idea.

I’ve only clicked psy noise like, 3 times while using TR.

Thanks, actually, I like that idea.

[nocturne sable]

Psychic noise is something you click when you’re infront of a poison like pecha/clod maybe

Other than that not really much clicking

[silver river]

What offensive fairies. Valiant is the only one iirc

[low phoenix]

Valiant is important enough to necessitate preparation for

Some good checks that are not exclusive to offense include iron valiant clefable tinkaton primarina gholdengo pecharunt Galarian slowking

[elder knoll]

Tera blast Dnite, Tera blast gambit, Prim, Enam, Hat, and CM Clef (kinda)

There’s also niche stuff like Comfey and Azumarill

[low phoenix]

Val is the most obvious one but those exist too

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/89744377e9a94e1f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/5c28bda20e3999bb
Made Necrozma into weakness policy in order to truly be a TR setter and sweeper.

[turbid kelp]

Not really an expert, but is necrozma really bulky enough to use weaknesses policy?

[nocturne sable]

Yes it is lol

Weakness policy necrozma is like one of the most common items to run on necrozma in general

Since it has prism armor which reduces Super effective moves by 0.25x

[queen saddle]

Yeah, it has like base 90 or 100 HP, 107 defense, and 87 defense, along with the earlier statement of prism armor.

Cracked ability lmao.

[turbid kelp]

0.75x?

[queen saddle]

Ran phys def too as to tank knocks and u-turns, along with 8. sp. def and max HP to tank a lil more special attacks.

80 sp. atk and quiet gives you good power without a boost and high power with a boost.

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/7197840f269d91d5

[atomic silo]

https://pokepast.es/b38690ca1f12868b

[simple kayak]

Hi, hopefully got this right this time; any opinion ? https://pokepast.es/30d8a0ac5e39d4cf

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/dbcde0a7ea8fb34a
thoughts?

[nocturne sable]

0.25x is the amount of damage that will be reduced

0.75x is how much you will be taken

[plucky hare]

Here is a team i made which i like any major issue's?

https://pokepast.es/95b048d07f54a017

[nocturne sable]

I think the paste is broken

[short sand]

oops, fixed it!

[plucky hare]

Is my team any good?

[plucky hare]

1267 elo hit

Rahh i needa awnsers

Anwesers

Answers

[alpine furnace]

Wanted to mess with galar weeze balance

https://pokepast.es/8e9e396e0bc86e58

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[edgy warren]

https://pokemondb.net/move/freeze-dry

https://dex.pokemonshowdown.com/pokemon/kyurem

[alpine furnace]

Zamazenta and garg can help against kyurem

[edgy warren]

they cannot switch in consistently at all

and the fact that kyurem threatens everything else super easily

without much kill pressure on it

means it will 6-0 ur team if it has a decently fat team to keep zama/wpon in check

also glowking + blizzard kyurem technology will legit 1shot ur zama i think

[low phoenix]

Yea he’s right your teams Kyu matchup looks super mid

[alpine furnace]

Gotta look out for kyurem, what other mons should I look out for?

[edgy warren]

iron crown

specifically specs

[low phoenix]

Add a steel

[edgy warren]

ting lu beats other sets pretty consistently

[low phoenix]

Tinkaton could be good

[edgy warren]

but specs will beat u

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm tinkaton > garganacl

I do want to keep Galarian weezing if anything.

[low phoenix]

Specs crown matchup is fine

[edgy warren]

gweez is fine i think

[low phoenix]

You only really need ting Lu vs any crown set

[edgy warren]

NP dengo cooks u ngl

ting lu cant whirlwind it, and literally any defensive tera that isnt weak to ground will wall it forever

[edgy warren]

i think tinkaton is best over garg ye

bc it also remedies ur

specs valiant mu

[alpine furnace]

Ting lu, galar weeze, Tinkaton, Zamazenta, Dragonite, Ogerpon W

Maybe replace Dnite or ogerpon?

[edgy warren]

u cant really break

any physical walls

is a big thing

cus ur 3 damage guys r physical

and then 2 ofur defensive guys r also physical

look to replace one of zama dnite or ogerpon with a special breaker i think

idk what works exactly

if u replac ednite make sure ur team still has ground immunity

is important

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm might replace zamazenta with something like iron val or darkrai

That or replace ogerpon W with something like primarina

https://pokepast.es/a8950cb1d5d3af8a

Nasty plot pecharunt might also work too with weezings hazard spread but that might be too much ground weakness.

https://pokepast.es/9f9a9f97b40779b2 something like this maybe?

[edgy warren]

rather slow

ddance is probably better than dtail on dnite lol

unless uve got a particular reason for dtail but even then

probs better for dd

[alpine furnace]

Dtail works

[edgy warren]

i mean yea it's a good move but

ur dnite is a lot more threatening with dance

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/17a83a7fc1260d79

[edgy warren]

u have ting for whirlkwind

[alpine furnace]

Should I keept the same evs?

[alpine furnace]

I also provided this too if this is any better.

[edgy warren]

kinda lacking immediate damage but looks strong

[edgy warren]

i think this but banded zama is really good

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/ec60f89cca545a3b set up prim or pivot prim? Psychic noise helps against mons like blissey or garg

And do I run max speed on DD dnite, keep dnite with d tail here or just keep the bulk and run DD

[edgy warren]

at least a little bit more speed on dnite lol

ur still slower than pult at +2 with that

and i think setup primarina works there yea, id go anything other than av tbh

u need it to be a genuine threat as u lack spa dmg

specs could also be good maybe im not certain

[alpine furnace]

So just the standard defensive primarina with phys def + sub and calm mind.

Hmmm...whats the bare minimum speed needed to outspeed pult at +2

Or would it be better to just go max speed instead of trying to run bulk and speed

[edgy warren]

212

bulk and speed is fine

it's often best to not minmax ev spreads

64 evs is the min for dnite in speed

to outspeed pult at +2

and most else drops to espeed

if u want tho u could go

and i believe

96 speed evs in dnite

outspeeds scarf dengo

at +2

[alpine furnace]

60 can ourspeed dpult at +2

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

Unless I did something wrong

[edgy warren]

mb

thought pult was

422 or smthn

[plucky hare]

Me when my team gets ignored:(

[alpine furnace]

421

It outspeeds by 1

[plucky hare]

https://pokepast.es/95b048d07f54a017 resent cuz no one noticed it 😦

[alpine furnace]

Scarf ghold matchup should be fine. If it tricks ting lu then it loses to eq fnite and can't outspeed zamazenta. If it tricks dnite it loses to ting lu and zamazenta again.

[edgy warren]

ya but some games dnite is gonna be ur wincon

and if scarf dengo can stop it

thats not good

[edgy warren]

ehh

it's HO but no hazards or screens or anything

so kinda vulnerable to any anti offense stuff

[plucky hare]

Like what?

[edgy warren]

like any priority or sweepers

[plucky hare]

Vacuum wave ice shard are there 😦

You mean like e-speed dragonite?

[edgy warren]

that wont save ur team from fast mons lol

[plucky hare]

I mean its my first serious team that i stopped goofing around

[alpine furnace]

Dnite, kingambit, Raging bolt, weavile, iron valiant, the occasional Loki

[edgy warren]

i would just consider slapping ninetales or something on there

for screens

and going booster or something on tusk cus rocky helmets kinda pointless for an HO

[plucky hare]

Being weak to 2 of your own mons 😂

Aight

[edgy warren]

also triple axel is better on weavile

imo

too much damage to give up

[plucky hare]

I prefer more consistency

[edgy warren]

120bp > consistency

[plucky hare]

Ohhh

[edgy warren]

also maybe just go a stab tera or tera fighting for weavile

as u just wanna do more damage

with ur tera

[alpine furnace]

All run priority, not only that but without hazards balance and stall teams become a headache. So you can either go ninetails for the additional bulk to give more setup opportunity or change to something that uses hazards to widdle away at the opponent while you barrage them with offense.

[edgy warren]

cus weavile cant even tank neutral hits from a lot of mons anyway

[plucky hare]

So what should i remove?

[alpine furnace]

These all run priority*

[plucky hare]

To beat those

[alpine furnace]

That entirely depends on what style of offense or hyper offense you want to run

[plucky hare]

I mean kingambit surely dies to vacuum wave

[plucky hare]

I want to change the team the least possible

[alpine furnace]

Literally all of its tera types just eat vacuum wave

[plucky hare]

Like no changing oh it plays

Lemme see

Ur right

The mons i 100% wanna keep are iron moth iron valiant and darkrai

[alpine furnace]

Is serp needed here? I feel like nintails would be better.

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/a79fdd55760fce2d blaziken lowk cooks on psyspam

[pallid coral]

https://pokepast.es/dbcde0a7ea8fb34a
Just built this give honest thought’s please

[round portal]

Worry seed :O

[edgy warren]

kinda lacks damage

i wont question amongus

[queen saddle]

It’s a hard counter to Woger ig.

Kyurem MU looks difficult.

[edgy warren]

kyurem mu is chill if u predict like a psychic

[short sand]

hey I started competitive yesterday and I made a team based on rotom-wash cuz I like it (https://pokepast.es/8252e9940a75dd81) and I felt like kingambit and iron valiant were very good but they maybe don't fit in my team? or I play bad? Dragapult, great tusk, rotom-wash and gholdengo were great but I don't know whats wrong

[edgy warren]

banded pult is sigma

however

it is extremely tera reliant as it cant use its stronger stab typing (ghost) without tera

bc locking into phantom force when ur switchins can oneshot u is terrible

kingambit often needs to tera to swepe in a lot of mus

so i wouldnt say they mix well

kinda same with valiant

and also specs dengo is just not the way to go unless ur on webs

theres not a whole lot it can come in on and threaten

as it's not very fast

and a lot of defensive mons can eat a hit and pivot out

(glowking, corv, etc)

[short sand]

yeah tbh i took a random set on smogon i'm a beginner

[short sand]

true

i was wondering what I could exchange iron valiant and kingambit with, or just kingambit

[short sand]

should i put gholdengo on air baloon+nasty plot and exchange iron valiant with cinderace?

[plucky hare]

What set for ninetales and what version?

Imma bet its alolan with light clay aurora veil

[short sand]

or maybe roaring moon

[plucky hare]

Who is gonna tell him

Roaring moon is now Ubers

[short sand]

i dont understand i just got destroyed by a darkrai that is uber too

[round portal]

(bring espartha back to OU so I can abuse psyspam harder)

[plucky hare]

Yes

[plucky hare]

Agreed

[short sand]

how?

[plucky hare]

Its funny

[round portal]

darkrai is OU not ubers?

[plucky hare]

Yup

[short sand]

mb i was on sun and moon sorry i'm beginning

[plucky hare]

It was ubers in usum

[round portal]

oh

[elder knoll]

oh hi psy terrain guy

[nocturne sable]

This team is kinda weird. It looks like it can be a decent Hstack team but has some weird sets and off picks

Magnezone is unviable in general and amoongus doesn’t fit on teams like this

Clefable should not be unaware and instead should be magic guard

[atomic jolt]

Update from my old team.
It had Oger-C and Pult core, supported by Boots Tusk, pivot Glowking, AV Hamurott, and Skarm. This struggled to the usual ghost and dark types so I swapped the support mons around
https://pokepast.es/1ec794603f1036fa
Basically keeping the same structure, Treads over Tusk, Moltres over Skarm, hopefully to deal with Gholdengo and Gambit better, might still have a losing matchup with Pult and Darkrai
Appreciate if this gets rated

[alpine hornet]

mag is def not unviable and id argue it pairs really well w scor and boots samu on these kind of structures

but running magnet pull on a balloon and going pech over clef would help here i think, and yeah mguard clef

and maybe u go tusk over za here to enable av rott because you're struggling on the special side a little here

@pallid coral

[round portal]

hi

[pallid coral]

Tysm

[simple kayak]

Hi, since there has been a lot of conversation since my last message, am I allowed to post it back ? It was for a team I built .x.

[slow yoke]

Im new to competitive but would like to get into it now and learn.

https://pokepast.es/68228740c4510f5c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic walrus]

There are many unviable sets, I recommend a sample team

/gen9ousamples

Oh wait

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

Not necessarily unviable more like a mashed together set of mons that fit in different archetypes (ex. Glimmora in Hyper offense and meowscarada on balance)

But yea you should look at sample teams if you’re now

[low phoenix]

Teams prob fine

I personally prefer pivot waterpon and knock off over flip turn on hamurott tho

[slow yoke]

Yea I was trying to make a balanced team but clearly Im not to sure what mons would be viable for that. But ill try and get a better understanding out of the sample teams

[atomic jolt]

Yeah I can do the move changes
Knock was made with the intent of not letting gholdengo in on oger-c but I think the team can deal with ghold better now.
The flip turn/knock off thing was also around when I had tusk on knock-off and spin duty only.

Oger-c over woger was to get over some mons that typically resists the latter. Also I think a strong, accurate rock type attacker feels like a good surprise. My oger-c also previously had low kick on 4th slot actually to deal with gambit and tera normal dnite but I think moltres can do that reliably now

Thanks!

[faint vortex]

Hello everyone, built a new BO team centered around tera ground dnite. Have yet to test it, but wondered if I can get initial thoughts on it to see if any tweaks are needed before I use it. Any feedback is appreciated, thanks in advance https://pokepast.es/79d5f0ff4032b3a2

**Already made change to dnite ability

[atomic jolt]

Knock off over rocks on tusk since you also have a clef with rocks

[faint vortex]

oh snap meant to give clef knock

or is tusk better?

[atomic jolt]

Tusk can force switches once the skarm/corv's down (which you can take advantage of by swapping to your ghold), with clef they'll prob just swap in their knock off sponge and wait it out

There is a chance to get an unlucky flame body proc if there's a moltres
Test it out and see which kind of knock-off you value more.

In case stone edge on dnite becomes annoyingly inconsistent, you could probably go for ice spinner, takes care of a lot, from gliscor and lando to the several dragons we have running around ou

Oooh
Moltres can kind of wall you and threaten wisp, it also checks your ghold.

[hot dome]

this team is way too greedy

you're relying on solo tusk for hazard removal when every good hstack team will contain at least one, if not multiple ways to limit tusk

inner focus dnite is just strange, even if you don't trust you can proc multiscale reliably its still better to have on the off chance you can indeed get it off over an ability that betters your mu into one mon you beat anyways

no pivots makes is extremely rough for your offensive mons to come in while your defensive mons will take unnecssary damage switching in

[faint vortex]

From my testing so far, tusk seems capable of being good for knock off mon

[faint vortex]

I want to keep messing with it, if I find them same, I will change it to ice spinner

[faint vortex]

Yes, I made a mistake on the ability, changed it as soon as I noticed it

[faint vortex]

Should I then be looking to add another removal mon? Like G-weezing or something?

[faint vortex]

I thought of using pech instead of ghold along with maybe pult or crown for pivots

[hot dome]

swap clef for pecha pivot to a more offensive comp instead of hstack

give dnite boots again, booster attack tusk isntead of hdb, rocks on ting lu instead of spikes, sub on zama instead of roar

[faint vortex]

That works, but then I lose a knock off mon

[hot dome]

if your fairy mu is still giving you trouble, consider a tera fairy/fire dnite

[hot dome]

yes which is why you pivot to an offensive comp instead of hstack

[faint vortex]

I will give it a try if needed

[faint vortex]

Got it

Here is the revamped team, changes made. How's it look? https://pokepast.es/97250af63083d765

[hot dome]

decent, watch out for moltres like the other person said

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/89744377e9a94e1f
Remade this team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/fcd48129d50419ba

Good Offence yes?

[plucky hare]

I fixed the stuff

https://pokepast.es/0b41f1cec99f7be2

I changed serp for alolan ninetales

[low phoenix]

Change weavile to dragon dance Kyurem

Kyurem is more threatening with dd on these kinds of teams

You can experiment with something like Blaziken or sd gliscor over iron valiant imo

[gritty lake]

Where ogerpon check

[gritty lake]

Oh I thought this was for another paste mb

[plucky hare]

Oh what checks it then?

[plucky hare]

Does kyurem with dragon dance and freeze dry checks it?

I removed weavile for it

[plucky hare]

No im keeping my beloved iron valiant

[low phoenix]

specs iron valiant is usually seen on bulky offense/balance teams as an immediate wallbreaker

playing screens forces you to go all sweepers in order ot maximize the advantage you get from the increased defense from screens and maintain offensive momentum for the limited amount of time they are active

[gritty lake]

Just dd checks it fine for ho/offence

[round portal]

what mon has the best chance of surviving any kyurem set

[plucky hare]

Something that resists kyurem

[round portal]

such as

[low phoenix]

prob av crown

[plucky hare]

Idk man

[round portal]

oh ya av crown pretty goated

[plucky hare]

Im ass at the game

[low phoenix]

that set is kinda going down tho cuz ting lu

[round portal]

how much is specs ep doing to crown

[plucky hare]

Lemme see

How bulky are you?

[low phoenix]

you can use pokemon damage calculator to check

[plucky hare]

Nvm gtg go

[round portal]

2hko still jeez

[low phoenix]

you check kyu through hazards + your steel as a temp check]

nothing checks kyu long term

[round portal]

is av glowking a reliable check?

[low phoenix]

for physical dd sets no

[round portal]

oh right

completely forgot

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/fcd48129d50419ba

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @empty verge, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

🌹🥀

[tacit bluff]

ok

so

this is an ok offence team that just has corv for some reason

[low phoenix]

you can go double hazards ting tbh

that set has been seeing increased use on more offense teams

[tacit bluff]

ye

[low phoenix]

also yea what is corv doing

[tacit bluff]

but also drop corv

it just serves as a monetum sink here

this team is leaning pretty heavily into ho and those usually just slap tusk on as their hazard control

some also run lead iron treads

glimmora also can

but ting is fine asw

you then just need great tusk which imo should take the spot of zamazenta, and then you'd ideally want some kind of pivot ig if this is just standard offence

otherwise this is fine although I feel you could drop one of your physical attackers for a special one

because moltres, wisp pult, cinderace, and lando all a bit scary for this lineup

especially as ghold doesn't appreciate cinderace or moltres asw

[low phoenix]

av prim checks all those pretty well

if you want a knocker

hmm

i can see scizor being slapped on this team somewhere

scizor or iron treads

[alpine furnace]

Great tusk and iron treads on the same team tho?

[low phoenix]

for kronen's team

[alpine furnace]

I know but nocturne also suggested tusk

[low phoenix]

wait no

weavile is good

[elder knoll]

Hi psy terrain guy ❤️
please never queue into me again 💔

[low phoenix]

you have a pivot if you use av prim to bring weavile in safely

and weavile can knock boots to fully take advantage of the hazards ting lu sets

[tacit bluff]

I said its an option

[alpine furnace]

Gotcha...but now I do wonder if both could work or if their roles overlap too much

[elder knoll]

I wouldn’t

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/7fa1cd1f43e269d7

prob something like this

[round portal]

hiii sry :(

at least u won

[elder knoll]

smh that Kyu was scary

💔

[round portal]

fr

i shoulda sent it later ngl

[elder knoll]

yeah you let it get toxic’d way to early

[round portal]

toxapex was being a bully

ngl the hatt was useless lol

[elder knoll]

I mean at least it forced Tera onto Blissey

[round portal]

oh right

tera on kyu was a mistake for sure tho

needed it on polteageist

[elder knoll]

yeah Polte needed it if you wanted to break Blissey

[round portal]

If only poltea had any other coverage :(

[tacit bluff]

no don't

they compete for the same job

treads just has different traits that make it better than tusk in some scenarios

access to pivoting, better into kyurem and the fairies etc

[alpine hornet]

i think on this type of build you could also consider hsmash or stedge over knock on tusk @faint vortex

[plucky hare]

Added kyurem removed weavile

https://pokepast.es/d16ea31bb9f9c873