SV OU Rates

[north nimbus]

I assume you were trying to go for offense ?

[brisk solar]

yes

I started the team with Iron Valiant and tried to do something with it

[arctic frigate]

Sorry for the late react What dnite set u reccomend

[smoky barn]

https://pokepast.es/ef86691777dc1787 I've been having a lot of fun with this team. I'm inclined to potentially call this Hyper Offense but you do utilize defensive switching quite a bit so I think Offense is more apt. I've played 20 or so games with it and haven't found any particular Pokemon to be an issue (I thought it'd be weak to a few metagame staples but it's unexpectedly good at dealing with stuff like Ogerpon Wellspring, Gholdengo, and Dondozo). Still, it probably could use some work, so I'd like to get some feedback! (Realized right after submitting the team that I was running Naive on Cloyster, that was a holdover from using Hydro Pump lol)

[alpine furnace]

Question

Why cloyster when you can ogerpon W

Or....actually zamazenta could work. Speed control would be nice

[smoky barn]

...Counter-question, why would I use Ogerpon W over Cloyster?

[smoky barn]

I haven't had any issues with speed control between Hatterene Nuzzle, Ninetales-Alola, Sucker Punch Kingambit, and 2 Pokemon that can boost their speed

[alpine furnace]

Ivy cudgel has a 1/8 crit, non contact stab so its more immediately dangerous and while yes shell smash is good for cheese but ogerpons knock off coverage helps prevent boots from ignoring hazards.

Also cloyster ogerpon W itself and the only mon you have to deal with it being kyurem doesn't like knock off or play rough sets.

Kingambit and nuzzle might be enough speed control, and hat can help keep cloyster alive with heal wish

Zamazenta is also another option, ID is strong, gives you good phys def wall while providing the speed to outspeed darkrai which tend to run sludge bomb.

ID or the boots attacker could work for zama here.

[smoky barn]

I wouldn't call shell smash cheese. Cloyster can easily find time for a shell smash against a physical attacker, with Aurora Veil + Snow + natural bulk it takes physical hits INSANELY well, even super effective hits. It's easy to get a shell smash off, and then it's able to break holes in opposing teams easily. The purpose of the team is to stack ice physical attackers to break through any team

[north nimbus]

i think the main concern isnt cloyster hitting hard, its just why would you use it over more reliable options that offer more and dont require like plentiful of support to succeed, then again issues like dozo, zama, gambit, even iron val give these team its own issues especially how annoying hazards can be once glimmora is gone and u need to maintain hatt healthy to prevent such

but at the end of the day we will suggest what would be better to see teams succeed, tho ur still free to run what you consider working for u

[smoky barn]

Cloyster isn't something I consider necessary on this team. I will try Wellspring but I think the Ice Spam is really strong conceptually, it manages to break its way through basically anything. I don't mean to push back so hard in a channel where I ask for a rate, but I just don't see it yk?

[north nimbus]

Cause if I where to think of ice spam first thing that would come to mind would be kyurem and weav, if that was your intention

[low phoenix]

One of the old sample teams had Kyu + weavile…

[smoky barn]

I considered Weavile but it's a lot harder to get in than Cloy and it doesn't pressure the opponent nearly as much as Cloy does

(Except literally with it's ability LOL)

[low phoenix]

Can’t you just pivot

It in

[smoky barn]

This team's pivot game is pretty weak, it only really has Hatterene Eject Button and sacing

[low phoenix]

Weavile is mostly used on balance teams as a breaker/knocker

[smoky barn]

This team is very offensive, so yea I don't think it really fits

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/de9dfa8aa0facde9

Prob switch cloyster to something like double dance gliscor or dragonite then

And glimmora to power herb attacker

So all of your mons threaten offensively

[tawny crater]

Thoughts on this Quaquaval HO OU team? CB scizor and CB quaquaval together seem a bit much, but I find both need the power and really need scizor for kyurem/dragonite. https://pokepast.es/95f60c4ae68c7a76

[low phoenix]

interesting team

although unfortunately most of these sets are unviable

[tawny crater]

What do you think I could peak playing it?

[low phoenix]

youre going to blank once you find an actually good player

this is a better team that i think you'll like

https://pokepast.es/26fc45d21a41dfb6

[tawny crater]

Woah yeah this looks really cool! thanks a ton. my only weird thing is i don't like moves that miss lol and darkrai/deoxys are hard to make work without them

at what elo will i find good players? just doing some climbing but am getting stuck

[low phoenix]

most darkrai dont run focus blast

dont worry about it

prob 1700+

[stone sierra]

Btw HO teams are supposed to have a dedicated suicide lead

[tawny crater]

ah gotcha i peaked at 1878 with this team but had a lucky streak going. want to get 1900 but am falling back down

[low phoenix]

1800-2000+ are where the genuinely good players stick to i feel like but since this is ladder you'll find gimmicky shit everywhere

[stone sierra]

Yours is more of an offense, HO runs a bunch of setup sweepers

[low phoenix]

its a sample team

[stone sierra]

I’m talking abt their team

[low phoenix]

yea

[stone sierra]

It’s a sample? Is it an old one or

[tawny crater]

ah gotcha ty. i basically suicide heatran, probably not ideal lol

[low phoenix]

i dont like heatran this meta

ting lu is everywhere

[stone sierra]

[tawny crater]

yeah i mostly win on the quaquaval gimmick. unexpected CB + water tera 2hkos something it shouldn't

[low phoenix]

quaq can work somewhere

[tawny crater]

i outspeed with taunt and then stealth rock. after that basically suicde

[stone sierra]

I should try to build around quaq, it gets out of hand very quickly

[low phoenix]

but i cannot give advice on it as i've never built around him and don't plan to

[stone sierra]

Webs maybe?

[tawny crater]

yeah quaq is fun

i dont think webs bc you're outspeeding after one aqua step

[low phoenix]

how do you deal with pecharunt?

or dragonite

or a tera garg/ting lu

[tawny crater]

pecharunt - steel latias, chip with encore valiant, or knock off quaq if it's the less bulky spread

[low phoenix]

tbh when i see latias

i assume its the weakness policy set

or else just use latios at this point

[tawny crater]

it is the weakness policy set

tera garg is hard, have lost some to guessing the wrong tera. if fairy, scizor. if water, cb close combat or dragon fang darts. but uphill battle

ting lu isn't too bad, no recovery so chip wears down over time. try to save latias for sweep after ting lu goes down

adamant dragonite is slower than dragapult which kos with darts and then plenty of options for cleanup if they tera (unless fairy or jolly in which case gg)

maybe i should make forum rmt post (im ezpzlemon2)

or maybe i just stick to the sample team 😛

[stone sierra]

Try the moltres BO sample team it’s super fun

[low phoenix]

i mean

if youre 1900

i assume you know what youre doing

so go for it

[tawny crater]

ty i will check it out!

and not quite 1900! haha

[low phoenix]

1878 close enough

[stone sierra]

My peak is like 1490 😭

Every time I get close to 1500 I tilt

It’s kinda triggering, I have 1990 elo in a dif game and here I’m stuck in low ladder

[tawny crater]

tbh getting from 1400 to 1500 took about as long as 1700 to 1800. ton of gimmicky stuff and hard to predict what people are going to do

[low phoenix]

#comp-general

Or else sire Clod is gonna get mad

[tawny crater]

haha gotcha gotcha ty!

[stone sierra]

I’m surprised they haven’t gotten here yet

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/55a7b8f93e431c81

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

@tacit bluff 👀

[misty basin]

CB Scizor

Enough said

[cold cosmos]

?

[tacit bluff]

cb scizor is fine

[misty basin]

Didn't say it was bad

[cold cosmos]

notice the wake is booster spatk, not speed btw

modest speed ties you with kyurem

[tacit bluff]

mhm

uhhh

ngl

methinks slither wing over scizor here

[hot dome]

-sun team
-looks inside
-one sun abuser

[cold cosmos]

2

[cold cosmos]

auto lose to any fairy type

[cold cosmos]

also theres a tera fire dragonite!

[hot dome]

that is not a sun abuser

[cold cosmos]

!

[hot dome]

drop dnite drop scizor pivot tusk set to boots/lefties bu

[cold cosmos]

i had this idea to make dnite sun

[trim oracle]

pokepast.es/f6a793bd6ffd0075

My rain team, built around my GOAT Feraligatr. Ive been playing around with a bunch of different stuff like Barraskewda and Thunderus-T as well but honestly I just don't know enough to evaluate one pokemon over another. Any thoughts? Thanks

[cold cosmos]

or

i think hilligant is

underrated

[hot dome]

replace scizor with growth venu replace dnite with kingambit or ceruledge, i would recommend the latter for the better fairy mu

[hot dome]

this link doesnt work btw but to be frank this doesnt work as a rain team

[trim oracle]

Yeah i felt that but i didnt know why

[hot dome]

you have two mons directly outclassed by skewda (floatzel, feraligator), tusk doesn't fit here in general, breloom sucks and doesn't fit on rain, and your manaphy set isn't great either

you seem new to team building so i would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first

[trim oracle]

Floatzel is worse than skewda? Huh i had heard otherwise (on reddit lmao)

[hot dome]

do not trust reddit

[trim oracle]

Yah fair

[hot dome]

and yes floatzel is far worse than skewda because it kills itself after three wave crashes

[trim oracle]

Yeah so it does

[hot dome]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

pick a team from here you like and use it to learn the tier first

building is really hard without a strong basis of knowledge in the tier

[trim oracle]

Is rain even a feasible strategy in the current meta or is that just setting up for failure in the first placr

[hot dome]

ehhhhh rain is very fishy rn

[trim oracle]

Good one

[hot dome]

you can win but not consistently

its better than sand but worse than sun in terms of weather archetypes, and even sun isn't that reliable

[trim oracle]

Great well thank you for your help

Ill certainly take it to heart

[cold cosmos]

so just make it the ctc sample?

i like ctc's sample yeah

a bit inconsistent though

[hot dome]

yeah basically, there's some room for flex but the major issue with sun is that fairy types are a pain in the ass

[cold cosmos]

yea

which is why i attempted scizor

[hot dome]

the issue with scizor is that its job is done better by sun mons

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/fec252caa36d642b

I have updated heat

Any thoughts

[lost surge]

https://pokepast.es/a3780d1c65230868
everything go boom and kingambit cleans up (with the help of klefki's trick room + prankster)
*edit hoopa's tera type is now steel

[brisk solar]

I have a question, why use 0 attack IVs in hoopa and indeedee?

[low phoenix]

Minimize foul play damage

Anyways that psy terrain team is unviable

[low phoenix]

What is jirachi good for?

[elder knoll]

para flinch

with para it’s a

70% chance

the opp can’t move

[tacit bluff]

Jirachi does in fact have a niche

Because it is an evil bastard

[elder knoll]

also pivot core with Meow + Zap + Jirachi

[elder knoll]

smh no it’s an honest Mon

look at them

they would never commit war crimes like flinching a Moltres to death

[brisk solar]

https://pokepast.es/7c788c512271cb5e I'm suffering a lot against teams with dragapult and others, I thought about putting something dragon in dragonite but it doesn't seem consistent, can someone help me?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost surge]

lol
it's not even psyspam
it's basically a hyperoffensive team that tries to take down as many pokemon as fast as possible before dying, and letting klefki set up trick room for kingambit to sweep

there's a reason why 2 pokemon have explosion

ik it ain't good tbh it's js funny

[alpine furnace]

Pivoting is part of why I reccomended mons like ogerpon W. Again SD provides the same levels of dmg as cloyster while thanks to the 1/8 crit being able to potentially ohko almost every check it has after an sd. Or you can run u turn encore over to prevent opposing set up or knock off to get rid of boots to make hazards more effective. Plus Anine makes ogerpons middling bulk a lot better to deal with. With alolan nine tails SD ogerpon is basically better cloyster and if you need the pivot, ogerpon can run u turn instead of SD.

[north nimbus]

Oh woops completely slipped my mind over this, but Dragapult is generally going to be a nuisance to offense teams outside of gambit, tho pult doesn’t like coming into any of these mons but neither will anything in ur team

[north nimbus]

Besides the occasional pult mu what else seems to be the problem

[brisk solar]

I made some changes, I took out Dragonite and put in Scizor and Dragon stopped being a problem, but now fire type Pokemons are massacring my team, thinking about what to put in

[north nimbus]

Idt dragonite was the right choice to remove

Cause the structure is already solid tho if you do feel obliged, I would suggest iron moth > woger most likely Tera fairy gleam just to provide more pressure vs dragons, make this max spa max speed dengo and go Tera fairy with it as well tbh, go sd iron Val here, and I would go Tera ghost low kick gambit here with some speed investment, also Deoxys speed > great tusk

[brisk solar]

https://pokepast.es/9a06cb2d1a8f8cc1 what do you think?

[brisk solar]

I swear I needed chatgpt to translate everything you said, lol

[north nimbus]

https://pokepast.es/eddbd8783d959305 more like this tbh

[brisk solar]

okok

and who should I lead with? Always deoxys?

[north nimbus]

Generally yes, but it also depends on the opponent and whatever would offer you a better advantage in the beginning

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/758bf114a1a3ab51

G weezing balance relies on g weezing and specs volcanion to make progress

[north nimbus]

Garg seems out of place here, me thinks, tho kyurem looks annoying for this team

[low phoenix]

Rly

Isn’t garg great on balance teams?

[north nimbus]

It is

But what does garg do here in the team that the rest already doesn’t

Like curse wincon yeah but could also be some else ideally that would improve kyu mu (despite the limited options) but yeah

[low phoenix]

Hmm

Have any recommendations?

I thought garg would be a great check to stuff like dragapult

[north nimbus]

I mean you have Lu , gweez, bb Corv

[north nimbus]

Something for kyu would be ideal, but a wincon with knock wouldn’t also be bad

[low phoenix]

Remind me of the Kyu checks for balance?

I’m busy rn so can’t really check for myself atm

In commencement for graduation rn

[north nimbus]

Av mola

[low phoenix]

But

No wincon 😦

Maybe idbp Corv/zama?

[north nimbus]

Hmm was tho maybe you go double attack Corv

Or id press zama too and then Corv 3 attacks

That’s also an option

Then again kyurem is going to have a hard time coming in almost every Mon here a knocker would be nice

[low phoenix]

Does cm knock clef work?

With Tera steel

I can’t think of any other options

For Gargs slot

[north nimbus]

It could

actually yeah

Actually

I just realize pecha would then farm this

maybe u do double hazard ting roar 3 attacks zama and weav last

[low phoenix]

I have g weezing tho

Doesn’t dual hazards contradict g weezing defog

[north nimbus]

I forgot

Hmm what is volcanion doing here

[low phoenix]

Specs breaker

Thought it would be fun to pair with g weezing

I can honestly replace him if I need to I’m just building Around g weezing

[north nimbus]

Yeah prob would be better for a different breaker even tho you have zama more or less

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/441483430eaf6766

What about now

Much better Kyurem matchup

[north nimbus]

I like zama more here

Over iron crown but yeah besides that solid

[low phoenix]

Band zama?

Or just run of the mill hdb

I don’t wanna get goobed by physical walls

[north nimbus]

Yeah you right about that

[low phoenix]

So iron crown or zama?

I’m leaning to crown for the ^ reason

[north nimbus]

Ye^

[smoky barn]

That makes sense, I think a pivot could be very beneficial on this team. I have to ask what do you think would be the best 4 moves for that Ogerpon would be? I think Ivy Cudgel, Horn Leech, U-Turn and Knock Off could be incredibly annoying

[raven coyote]

Yo

How i can play tournaments

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/617711dd4fa44356 1) is this ho, offense or bulky offense? i dont really understand the nuances between them other than the very obvious differences 2)i already have tink to spread para, does moltres fit zapdos' role better? any other general feedback appreciated too

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred delta]

and why does kyurem run tera ice? its from the sample set but is there anything which it cant kill already with ice stab

[nocturne sable]

Just makes it stronger

2x ice type stab damage

[trail whale]

This would be Offense

HO is extremely aggressive with tons of set up sweepers and a dedicated lead, very straightforward gameplay and you're constantly sacking for momentum
Offense and BO are similar, having 1/2 defensive pivots that anchor your offensive Pokemon, difference is generally how your offensive Pokemon play and how defensive their optimal pivots are

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/40897d4dfc32995a I really don't know how to make life orb val work,every mon other than meowscarada and ogerpon seem like filler

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

This team is kinda odd what playstyle are you going for

[livid yew]

Offense since val is not living long games

[nocturne sable]

Not really the biggest fan of that iron valiant. LO Val is interesting but I don’t think 4 attacks is it

[livid yew]

So do I drop thunderbolt for encore?

[nocturne sable]

Me personally I would go full special with calm mind

Also triple axel>>play rough on meow

[north nimbus]

the real question is why lo cause the only other item I would even dive exploring with would be ebelt if it’s not booster

[nocturne sable]

They said they want to make LO valiant work

Ig extra 1.3x damage but like

[elder knoll]

are there relevant calcs

like killing Corv without Tera?

[nocturne sable]

252 SpA Life Orb Iron Valiant Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 276-325 (69.1 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Possible damage amounts: (276, 278, 281, 286, 289, 291, 294, 299, 302, 304, 307, 312, 315, 317, 320, 325

Honestly

It’s not worth it

[north nimbus]

Literally a 2hko still with ebelt without chipping urself …

[sacred delta]

this makes sense, but is there anything i should change on the team?

[trail whale]

I wasn't too sure how to approach it so I was hoping another rater could do it

I don't like Hoopa here I'd say the Pokemon needs a bulkier playstyle to really shine. Hamurott or Darkrai probably fit?

Scarf Gholdengo is also something I'm not keen on, Valiant or Moth come to mind as far better speed control options for the team

[sacred delta]

ive found hoopa as kind of a crutch against stall bc im not really good at playing against it and its a hard counter, but yea smth else is probably better suited to its role

[nocturne sable]

Really? Kyurem is a Mon well known to give stall trouble

[elder knoll]

Mmmm I’ll go into depth about how to make Hoopa work later if I can be bothered

but basically

Hoopa needs help with positioning and staying alive

It doesn’t really need help breaking

So slow Pivots like Mola and removal supporting from Pokemon like Tusk or Gweezing are ideal for it

For example,
this team goes all in on supporting Hoopa so it can break it does this through pivots and helps it stay alive through intimidate and burns

https://pokepast.es/e4952d229eb6c760
it doesn’t care about keeping Hoopa alive over a long game though and aims to quickly break an opposing team so it has cleaners like Pult and Zama to take advantage of broken defensive cores

https://pokepast.es/3971209381b12405
something like this has no cleaners to take advantage of Hoopa. It relies on Hoopa alone to bash in defensive cores but in turn it’s way better at supporting Hoopa so it can stay alive and repeatedly come in to break. It features wish support and dual removal support.

for this team either build around Hoopa or drop it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hoopas one of those mons where you build around it or you don’t use it

[solemn karma]

can yall rate this idk if its good or nah
https://pokepast.es/38f749693427ba2a

[stone sierra]

BO teams don’t run blissey, it’s too passive. I recommend using the sv ou samples, the BO teams are super fun

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone sierra]

I personally really like the Moltres Bo

[solemn karma]

so the only problem with my team was the blissey

i really like the healing bell of blissey tho

[stone sierra]

No there are other problems

It’s easier to say “use samples” and will be better for you

[elder knoll]

Mola doesn’t fit the pace of this team either

AV hat is kinda weird

for this team as well

[north nimbus]

Av hatt is a legit set

Tho tbh

[elder knoll]

• for this team

[north nimbus]

If you realistically drop the two unclear fat mons you can easily pivot this into offense

Tho I also imagine that wasn’t what you where going for

[elder knoll]

this seems like an attempt at balance

to me

[north nimbus]

@solemn karma where you trying to go for bo/ balance or would you tolerate if this became an offensive structure squad

[solemn karma]

i was trying to go balance

[elder knoll]

erm I strongly recommend looking at samples

then

Cause this doesn’t really have balance staples besides Mola

[solemn karma]

i see

so what actually makes a balance team

[elder knoll]

I can’t be bothered to go in depth but balance teams typically have:
A strong but not overly passive 2-3 Mon defensive core. They also feature bulkier progress makers but can have one explosive but more squishy guy for killing stuff.

[nocturne sable]

The structure of balance is usually solid defense core of 2-3 mons, a wincon(usually a set up sweeper or something that can make progress) then a revenge killer/ late game cleaner

[nocturne sable]

If you want to use more of Blissey you would have to pivot to stall

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/dd42fa0c5c4a23f6 made a Weavile balance team, thoughts?

[north nimbus]

If ur goign for an hstack balance defog is a big redundant and ur better off going boots spam to compensate for ur squad, I would make this roost dnite, zama roar 3 attacks > darkrai, make this id bpress bb roost Corv, and last can honestly go a lot of ways, would say pecharunt is always nice helps immensely against woger, zama, iron Val, but gking is also reasonable but I prefer the former here

Oh and eq > ww on ting Lu

You want eq like 100% of the time tbh of ting Lu

[low phoenix]

if youre building around weavile id recommend pivoting to bootspam hazard stack

[north nimbus]

It is tho

[low phoenix]

those kinds of teams are where weavile is usually strongest in

[stone sierra]

It’s not supposed to be hstack, just wanted Weavile to be a bit more useful here so I went double hazard ting

Ig it was the wrong move

[north nimbus]

I mean

It’s fine

[stone sierra]

Could I replace Weavile with zam or smth?

[north nimbus]

It’s still literally Hstack

[stone sierra]

I thought hstack had multiple hazard spreaders

[low phoenix]

isnt defog redundant in hazard stack tho?

double hazard ting is viable

[north nimbus]

Yes and no

Because we have our lord ting Lu

[low phoenix]

just not my first choice

[north nimbus]

Who can do all of that

[stone sierra]

And be immortal

🙏

[north nimbus]

I guess my changes getting ignored 😔

[stone sierra]

What would my knock absorber be?

Ting?

[low phoenix]

corviknight

[north nimbus]

Corv

Literally Corv

[stone sierra]

Oh I thought corv would be changed to pech

[north nimbus]

Non

Prima would be changed to pech

Or gking

[low phoenix]

i argue prim should be the one changed

[north nimbus]

Most preferably pecha

[low phoenix]

prim is better on offenses

^

[stone sierra]

Wouldn’t wake annihilate my team then

[north nimbus]

If ur concerned about wake you could always go gking but I prefer the favorable mu against other stuff cause you would then otherwise super rely on Corv to check like 5 million threats

Not like wake likes coming in on anything here anyways

[low phoenix]

tera water ting lu

thats just what i usually use tbh

[north nimbus]

Also yeah if it Teras you can Tera match agaisnt it

[low phoenix]

yea corv gets worn down with rocks damage + switching to attacks over timeit appreciates another mon helping it

[north nimbus]

And dnite makes sun life miserable

Maybe this should be bulky dd nite

Hmmm

[stone sierra]

Do I keep these changes if I don’t want to hstack?

Bc I dislike playing it

[low phoenix]

i dont think weavile is the best in non hazard stack teams

on webs it could work tho

[north nimbus]

Yeah

[low phoenix]

you force progress with knock off which forces boots mons to take hazard damage

[north nimbus]

Next best thing would do gliscor > weav and still do about the same changes, just now you might need gking or even clef but alas I feel the first recommendation are prob for the best

[low phoenix]

if you use gliscor you should pair with an alternate knocker like corv/clef/skarm

gliscor doesnt like increased g weezing/weavile usage

even boots wake

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/c53416a7fb1d732e
Ik Rampardos is a sucky mon, but thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

I mean the thoughts are drop rampardos lol

Reuniclus here also sucks and an immediate breaker like Specs Enam T would be better, then swap out Rampardos for another phys breaker like Iron Hands to complement Ursaluna and Gambit

[trail whale]

First real trick room rate

[north nimbus]

quite rare despite wanting magearna

[queen saddle]

That’s fair, but why does Reuni suck?
It’s a pretty decent mon imo where it not only sets up TR but can do pretty good damage.

[hot dome]

It doesn’t do good damage struggles to break spdef walls and doesn’t even do particularly well into the physical walls you’d ideally use it against

• you already have two trick room setters

[queen saddle]

I see, I see.

[low phoenix]

https://youtu.be/yU5CNRXZo2g?si=Ahvylu1bmfJewZ0f

[north nimbus]

but ramparados is cool!!!

[hot dome]

Meanwhile specs enam t can at least chunk most spdef walls threaten phys def walls and works decently with the other phys breakers of troom

[low phoenix]

Rampardos may do funny numbers but it is inconsistent in virtually every other setting

[hot dome]

Basically your win con here is use the sheer amount of phys attackers + enam to overwhelm opponent

Rampardos doesn’t help here at all since it’s more likely to die to says phys walls

• other mons have similar levels of damage without having the downsides of rampardos

[queen saddle]

Poor silly banded head smash. 😔

[low phoenix]

i mean you can still try it if you dont care about it being an ideal team and just wanna mess around

[hot dome]

+1 252+ Atk Rampardos Head Smash vs. +1 252 HP / 88 Def Zamazenta: 131-155 (33.7 - 39.9%) -- 30.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

this is sad.

+1 252+ Atk Rampardos Head Smash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 95-112 (25.6 - 30.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[queen saddle]

Well, let’s be fair, that’s a mon that quad resists. But I do get your point, ofc.

[hot dome]

the problem is that these are two of the most prominent phys def walls

[low phoenix]

zamazenta and great tusk are uber common

[queen saddle]

Yeah, nws, I get ya’ll.

[hot dome]

when your phys def breaker cannot break the phys def mons

its ass

[queen saddle]

Just sayin.

[hot dome]

mons like gambit who have similar bad mus can use tera blast to circumvent this

rampardos is so bad you dont even want to invest tera in the first place

[queen saddle]

Not to mention the accuracy.

Used this team, first time I did it missed instantly, and then missed again.

💔

[north nimbus]

Perdemos

[tacit bluff]

if it makes you feel any better, had a ladder session one time where I was running boots pult, it missed 5 of its 8 draco meteors

lesson learnt was use ddarts

[desert pine]

i once had a dd mtar that missed 4 of its 5 sedges in 4 consecutive games, all stopping sweeps

[sacred delta]

can u suggest smth to run in its place? i wanted a hard hitting dark type to eat future sights, normally id go for ting lu but i already have 2 ground types so idk what to put in that slot

[sacred delta]

wait no i only have tusk ill just put in ting lu

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/4e88ffc2375a9440

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/b9f401c34bec6776

Feels good to be back

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/9745e70339b6e1d0

[regal ginkgo]

Hey @gritty lake, it looks like you're trying to share a gen5ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060339824537641152 instead.

[gritty lake]

Mb lol

https://pokepast.es/e9e2b67ae3772702 this

[queen saddle]

Shiz so real, but it did make me feel a lil better. Thanks gang!

[queen saddle]

We already talked about this, so I removed Rampardos. I’m trying out CB Rhyperior, with very strong double STAB, tera ground, heat crash and ice punch. Does it work under TR? It feels nice and it managed to tank an Ogerpon’s ivy cudgel, so that made me happy.

Earthquake hits as hard as ice punch does on Tusk, but against Lando, it’s good, and edge hits the birds while Crash hits steels like Corvi too.

That 140 attack is literally the same as Luna’s, and with CB, it’s the same power. Only Luna can swap around moves.

[queen saddle]

The amount of Heatrans I came across yesterday was insane, and I have no idea why he’s been seeing more usage. Maybe cause I’m in low ladder and I need to get my get back.

https://pokepast.es/c16c332a01f34c7d
Thoughts? This team feels way better.

[nocturne sable]

As a person that regularly uses TR and already tried reuniclus on TR, it’s just really a momentum sink and doesn’t really offer immediate power

It’s also reliant on focus blast hitting which makes it pretty inconsistent

[broken lynx]

https://pokepast.es/01eae217c027accd glowking+ cb hoopa (kinda?) bulky offense,i feel like there is something im very weak to but that im struggling to identify tbh

[gritty lake]

https://shinyash.com/cdn/shop/files/1017_-_-Ogerpon-_Wellspring-Mask.gif?v=1743343222

[broken lynx]

tera bug landorus❗ but yeah i think i should change the iron treads for something better for that thing of satan

[low phoenix]

choice band hoopa is

heat to say the least

[broken lynx]

is that good or bad

[low phoenix]

thundy t is a weird fit

i dont like it

espectially when ting lu/zam are top mons

[broken lynx]

i first thought of raging bolt but it was too slow

[low phoenix]

i like dragonite over thundy t

gives you a proper wogerpon switch in

and a late gamewincon

[broken lynx]

and maybe running mixed hoopa?

bc if not alomomola and dondozo hard counter me

[low phoenix]

switch quaq

idk what it is doing tbh when you have iron treads and your breaking power with it is ass

wait

actually

since you said you want to build a bulky offense

i recommend you check out the samples first

so you have an idea of what a good bulky offense team looks like

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gritty lake]

😔

[broken lynx]

okay thx

[low phoenix]

poor darkrai matchup

[final relic]

okay concept but gets run over by dragapult much too easily

assuming the opponent has the brain cells to scout for the obvious scarf ghold which is practically the only counterplay

also like the other guy said it seems very darkrai weak

tusk isnt that useful on bootspam so you could go zamazenta over it and maybe make chomp a tinglu

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

Huh, someone delete a pokepaste?

[final relic]

I just sent a paste version of the changes I made to this guys team

not sure why it got deleted

[hot dome]

Ic

Yeah that’s weird maybe a mod misclicked

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ce22c889dea8b8b0 updated my balance team, thoughts?

[final relic]

pech should be foul play tera dark and hit 219 speed

not terribly necessary since you have idbp corv

but tera dark is generally more useful

[elder knoll]

change Tera on Dnite as well

normal isn’t doing much anymore

[final relic]

dnite is inner focus

and yea might wanna make it tera fire

[elder knoll]

I didn’t even notice the ability lol

[final relic]

uh

gliscor is kinda slow too

corv mirror is awful for you since like 4 of your mons

cant really touch it

and it defogs for free

i think maybe

you should make dnite roost

and run dengo over pech

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/d5deef03e7d17b20

my 2nd attempt at my own g weezing balance

[final relic]

If ur gonna drop a move for tspikes it should be the attack

wisp tspike pain split fog is fine especially with moon gone

[low phoenix]

ic

[final relic]

idt you need tera fly on weezing

could be grass

as you are kinda pon weak

[low phoenix]

thats balance for you

[nocturne sable]

Yes Pon just kinda click cudgel

[low phoenix]

do you think i can fit in a dnite anywhere

then

like any dragon

[nocturne sable]

Probably the bird I’m guessing

[final relic]

could drop zama and be fine

you already are good into darkrai

[nocturne sable]

But then would be tusk weak

[final relic]

just go regular dtail espeed eq roost

a set ive been liking lately on garg is protect + curse

helps you set up and also scout walking wake vs sun

[low phoenix]

interesting

https://pokepast.es/c07916ce738dcf6f

[low phoenix]

Wait

What about my speed control

[final relic]

should be able to easily outlast those guys

any booster mon gets walled by molt and or ting lu

[low phoenix]

Ic

[subtle solstice]

https://pokepast.es/81b4896c2a5cf7fc

This is my stall team

A little bit generic, but I made very decision as to what I thought was best

I would love feedback from anyone who knows better than me haha

[elder knoll]

I’d recommend dropping either Mola or Pex for a second defogger such as Corv, Mandi, or Talonflame

and switching Gliscor to Tera steel for future sight

and either shadow ball/flamethrower for bliss

I’d also convert Dozo over to curse spdef set

and Gliscor to SD

you can then drop boots on a bunch of your mons

and run stuff like cloak Blissey and lefties Dozo

My preferred spdef Dozo set is Tera Dark crunch

but waterfall or Avalanche is also cool

double attacks isn’t great that because it’s overly passive

[untold sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/5d766e150540b757

Playing with this atm, team is working fine but i do feel like it could be a little more refined

kinda new to the competitive

[subtle solstice]

That's a good idea. I'm always switching Gliscor in on slowking

Why do i need a second defogger? I have so many boots already, it's mainly a just in case at this point

[elder knoll]

stall is generally double removal or boots spam

Weezing only fits on double removal structures generally

[subtle solstice]

Hmm

I don't know who I would take off, they all do different thing that I like

[elder knoll]

I'd personally take off Mola

[subtle solstice]

See Mola to me is like the second best pokemon on the team

[elder knoll]

you can take off Pex then

[subtle solstice]

Probably

[elder knoll]

but your MU into Waterpon

becomes way more shaky

[subtle solstice]

I know

It's terrible

Already it sucks

@elder knoll Dondozo @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Waterfall
• Curse
• Rest
• Sleep Talk

What about this?

[elder knoll]

go 248 HP but that works

[subtle solstice]

Ok

[elder knoll]

just be careful around Wellspring since it's mono waterfall dozo

[subtle solstice]

Yeah

I was considering body bress instead

[elder knoll]

once you add your secondary removal you can put leftovers on Dozo as well

[elder knoll]

I wouldn't since Dozo can 1v1 Ghold

on a spdef set

[subtle solstice]

Ah fair enough

[elder knoll]

without committing tera

[subtle solstice]

so crunch would work better then

[elder knoll]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

up to you

[subtle solstice]

lmao

[elder knoll]

I know some people like water fall more

I'm biased for crunch

[subtle solstice]

It seems like crunch is better

[elder knoll]

maybe

your worse into stuff like Kingambit/tusk/zama/val though

so it is a trade off

[subtle solstice]

I never have problems into those anyways

Tusk gets beaten over time by helmet mola

Same as zama

[subtle solstice]

I could run both and not run curse

[elder knoll]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2362056802-b389tqi8997ctolx3txq7n38d69b16jpw

curse has a lot of utility

On spdef sets

such as the ability to sweep entire teams lol

Dugtrio is broken is a way better player than I’ll ever be and spdef Dozo was able to cheese out a win

[subtle solstice]

Fair enough haha

I just beat an ogerpon with dozo haha

[nocturne sable]

Isn’t Tera dark Blissey good enough for FS

[elder knoll]

you lose to f-sight pins

future sight -> Chilly to Zama = Dead Blissey or heavily chipped bird

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic

[proper citrus]

https://pokepast.es/508d2738a7106101

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper citrus]

my trick room team.

works alright for now but not every matchup

[gritty lake]

what does tera blast steel hiy

hit

[proper citrus]

not much, was gonna tera steel either way, so using it for a 120 base power non fairy move if i need.

[hot dome]

metagross isnt good, av volcanion isn't good

[hot dome]

replace metagross with sd gambit, and swap volcanion over to specs

also run dkiss over tera blast on enam with tera fairy

lowkey would be better to swap volc to another phys breaker like hands but wtv

[trail whale]

https://pokepast.es/f0ef9254e6d44807 feels a bit all over the place in practice but can't figure out the issues

[proper citrus]

av volc has kinda been main reason i got to 1500+ with it. though meta i can switch

[hot dome]

Av volc just isn’t good on this team and idk why you’re running it lowkey this team is not in need of bulk

Either Troom is up and you should be leaning heavily offensive in which case specs, LO, or other boosting items would be better

Or Troom is down, in which case better mons like Gambit are preferred since they can actually operate out of Troom

AV Volc is in an awkward spot where it doesn’t have the best power for a Troom team but doesn’t offer much outside of it

If you want to run volc (which isn’t great in general here) you need to lean into Troom more since this is your team’s one and only style of play

You can’t throw a random balance/bo pick

[proper citrus]

i kinda want team to always outtrade damage

[hot dome]

Yes which is why you run specs, or LO, or a better pokemon that complements the team

Not AV

[proper citrus]

and volc has just walled most stuff

it walla walking wake

[hot dome]

You should not be walling anything

This is Troom

It is a style entirely based around “utilize the 5 turns to kill as much as you can”

[alpine furnace]

Outtrading damage doesn't mean walling it means outputting more damage to your opponent than your opponent can to you. At least from what I understand.

[proper citrus]

yeah but i made this team so. even outside trickroom i can take hits and kill enemy

[hot dome]

Mixed Troom teams are never good

[proper citrus]

for example volc has killed a lot of stuff outside trickrrom

[hot dome]

Because you are bad in Troom

And bad outside of it

Troom is not a style where you can half ass it

It’s an all or nothing comp, especially in gen 9 OU

[proper citrus]

interesting.

[hot dome]

This team is frankly horrendous outside of Troom and not that good inside of it

[proper citrus]

i guess this wont work outside 1500-1600 then?

[hot dome]

No

Troom is a fishy style inherently and this team just makes it worse

[proper citrus]

i see.

play exclusively trickroom

[hot dome]

Yes

[proper citrus]

this is the best version in terms of winrate i have made till yet

but i guess thats that

[hot dome]

To be frank 1500s is where you start to see real teams/somewhat competent players and there fishy teams will start to show their cracks

[proper citrus]

hmm well i guess i will play and see if i starts randomly losing hard

[hot dome]

Styles like webs and veil inherently have more power and reliability so they can be pushed into high ladder but Troom has never been good in OU outside of certain metas where one broken breaker enables the style as a whole

And thus any Troom team has to be as optimized as possible because it’s not a style that can afford it

[hot dome]

It’s 4 am so remind me to take another look at this in the morning but it seems kinda bad defensively

[trail whale]

Get some sleep
Felt like I was relying too much on some mons yeah

[heady urchin]

https://pokepast.es/d2d4ba635b995fd8 anyone have any ideas for about other moves I could theoretically run on these mons? I'm pretty confident that these specific moves are the general best options (imo) but I'd like to hear outside perspectives

[gritty lake]

Not a single ou mon is crazy

Also fails to check many threats in the tier

[magic walrus]

tru

[nocturne sable]

Bro how many times are we going to see this team

[tacit bluff]

this is the third time you've sent this team

our advice remains the exact same

[hallow trench]

||https://pokepast.es/cab983929428ba9b this good? (pls do not take this seriously)||

[magic walrus]

Wrong channel

[low phoenix]

wrong channel for this

[elder knoll]

This team seems like it’s trying to be a bulky offense, but you’re leaning too hard into the bulk and not enough into the offense.
Your fastest guy is a Keldeo which is insufficient speed control.

And I’m not sure if the offensive core of Keldeo/Hydrapple/Kingambit actually synergies well.

One the main allures of both Keldeo and Hydrapple is that they’re both specially offensive breakers that beat Ting-Lu

So you have a bunch overlap in that sense, where it might be better to include a Mon that benefits from Ting-Lu being pressured.

Also, Iron Defense/Brave bird Corv sits on both Apple and Kingambit which isn’t great and Keldeo can’t switch in either.

From the defensive end you have a weakness to Zamazenta.

All-out-attacker Zamazenta with Close combat/stone edge/crunch/ice fang hits your entire physically defensive core for super effective damage.

You’re also reliant on Slowking-G to handle all specially offensive threats which can be easily overwhelmed by multiple attackers.

Finally, I’m not a fan of Keldeo being the sole Kingambit check. Since it is prone to be chipped as it does not have heavy-duty-boots.

[viscid mist]

https://pokepast.es/4b6d5ad23ad28297

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viscid mist]

how is this team?

[hallow trench]

What is right channel, then?

[deep parcel]

https://pokepast.es/b9f401c34bec6776

[opaque shale]

Lmao this is a pokeaim/blunder troll team

You didnt even change the nicknames

[low phoenix]

I think lokix is a weird choice for this team

Maybe mola too

[deep parcel]

unofficial metas prob

[nocturne sable]

That’s his team that Blunder showcased

He’s been posting this team since last year

[barren ridge]

Hey, you've been told and warned over several months to not keep coming here to post this same team. If you want to make a showcase post please use the forums or something.

But otherwise you've completely ignored several helper and moderator warnings so you're going to be restricted from the competitive section since you can't seem to abide by the rules and only come here for this one specific purpose.

[mystic belfry]

https://pokepast.es/ is there any pokemon i should change aside from excadrill and ttar since they’re the core?

[hot dome]

link bork

[mystic belfry]

what does that mean

oh wait I got it now https://pokepast.es/a13bdb26b377a4ee

[tacit bluff]

Urm

Well

Sand is already the weakest weather in OU rn, which isn't saying much as outside of sun none are super viable (ig aside from snow if you could alo ninetales and a single beneficiary of snow like kyurem)

But point is the rest of your team doesn't appreciate your own sand and a lot of these mons aren't even ranked ou

[mystic belfry]

what mons would be better replacements?

excadrill my favorite so I had to make a sand team

[tacit bluff]

You break your own ceruledge's sash weakness policy latias is just kinda sitting there and you're generally being pulled in a lot of directions

[mystic belfry]

i was gonna sub ceru for like incineroar or skeledirge

[tacit bluff]

Ceruledge isn't used often outside of the occasional sun team and latias definitely does exist but typically on screens offence with partners that help its longevity not hamper it

Incineroar is hardly real in ou

And skelidirge is niche at best

Plus skelidirge doesn't like this team anyway

[mystic belfry]

so who should i sub out

[tacit bluff]

I would outright recommend against building sand as you don't have many mons to take great advantage of it tbh

Not in this meta anyway

Ttar is, bad, like very bad

[mystic belfry]

is there any better excadrill teams that don’t involve sand?

[tacit bluff]

When 4 of the best mons are ground fighting or both in the case of great tusk it just does poorly

[tacit bluff]

In OU unfortunately no

But your goal is using excadrill right

[mystic belfry]

yes

[tacit bluff]

Well the good news is that excadrill is probably the best pokemon in UU

It's the tiers premier rapid spinner and acts almost like their version of great tusk

So if you wanna build a strong exca team, I'd try it out down there

[mystic belfry]

ok

thanks

[tacit bluff]

Yw

[paper chasm]

b- is not "very bad"

[low phoenix]

TTar is niche

especially when zama/tusk/ting lu are dominant mons

[elder knoll]

Sand in OU is more of a balance thing

w/ Skarm, Sinis, AV Glowking type deal

Storm Zone had a sand hippo balance with Garg I think

[low phoenix]

Rly

You got a pokepaste/link?

I love those heat teams that somehow work

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/f391e6aef6b09617 what do you think

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

I've yet to see it used well

Lul

Loses to the top mons

Competes hippo for sand

[magic cloak]

https://pokepast.es/b5c0ec025aafb99b i kinda struggle a little with fairies, steel and poison with this team (even though i can work around most of them) but just want to know if there's any big problems with it

[tame hare]

https://pokepast.es/8ade973e26270691 struggling with tera dd kyurem variants, any other weaknesses to be addressed?

[hot dome]

av gambit is unviable cb zama isn't good

gentle nature zapdos isn't good, levitate gweezing isnt good, that gking set isn't good

ngl none of these sets are good

you seem to not be experienced in the tier, i would recommend using a sample team for now and checking out the smogdex for a list of viable sets

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

[magic cloak]

dang

[low phoenix]

Cb zama is good on some balance teams 😦

[hot dome]

not for this team

[low phoenix]

But yea all those sets are bad

[low phoenix]

Your speed control is inconsistent

And idk what av pex and gliscor are doing on your offense team

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/ef1652d3560fef1c

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

av pex is fine on offense

[trail whale]

What's Heatran doing here

[gritty lake]

beating gweez

[echo rampart]

does ghold not do that

[trail whale]

Seems like you'd get a lot more out of some removal or a better Gambit check

[gritty lake]

tusk?

[trail whale]

The mon I was thinking of yeah

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/212cfc360dd95d49
need some ideas for this

im thinking of smth sturdier for wellspring and still be decent vs gliscor

[marsh ruin]

@summer cloak if you have time, please help me out

https://pokepast.es/420572b79d500325

[summer cloak]

There are official raters, i dont play this tier seriously enough

[marsh ruin]

Its fine im still literally one month into Pokémon lmao

[wooden linden]

usually lead samu is designed for hyper offense teams

when the team is more of a bulky offense

the cinderace set is a bit wonky so either drop sucker punch for court change and making the ability blaze over libero or change the evs to make it max atk and max speed and sticking to libero

samurott is pretty customizable so you can do av, scarf, boots, or sd black glasses

also give gliscor 244 hp 36 def and 228 spdef

the 244 is intentionally to maximize poison heal

[marsh ruin]

Thank you very much,

Ill max the atk on cinder and do the gliscor thing, ill test it again

[tacit bluff]

Mmmm ngl

I don't fw cinderace here

You have rocks and spikes

Court change is not something you rly wanna do

[final relic]

kyurem seems very out of place with treads being the sole removal

i feel like treads moltres kyurem are leaning fatter but then the other 3 are out of place really

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/13dc2c1e27343bad lol the url has bad in the name
Put together this team that im pretty happy with, some decent success on the ladder. Main things im not sure about are scarf ghold as speed control, and ting lu. I wasnt originally intending for this team to be hazard stack, but ting lu ended up fitting the niche of a bulky dark type, and it became hazard stack. I like how kyurem, tusk and zapdos are performing, but not so sure about ting lu, ghold, and tinka Sun is a matchup im pretty weak against, both as a player and teamwise so id like some advice on dealing with that as well.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

this team is all over the place

[final relic]

go mold breaker > pickpocket first of all

youre fine vs pult

[elder knoll]

I recommend you decide whether you figure out whether you wanna go BO or Hazard Stack

[low phoenix]

I wouldn’t call this team hazard stack feels more like a bulky offense

[final relic]

this looks like youre trying to do hstack but ended up with bo yeah

[low phoenix]

Standard offensive tusk is better on this team

[final relic]

i dont think kyurem should be here

or at least not this set

[low phoenix]

^

[elder knoll]

needs knock

😔

[low phoenix]

Dd Kyurem is a more hyper offense set

[final relic]

and tusk should either be boots or just remove it for a zama

[elder knoll]

If hazard stack you also need a knock absorber

🤔

[low phoenix]

Unless you’re that guy who created the fat Kyurem ditto team 😢

[final relic]

dd mono icicle spear sub protect is demon spawn technology

but yh you should have like

clef here

[elder knoll]

memester sent me a disgusting spread

for that set

yesterday

[low phoenix]

Ogerpon wellspring seems like a reasonable fit

I can send them team if u want

[sacred delta]

it mostly exists to be my crutch against walking wake and bc i like the mon but can kyurem fit on a bulky offense team (not necessarily this one)

[low phoenix]

It’s an spl rip actually

[sacred delta]

or is it more of an HO exclusive mon

[final relic]

yh it can work

its just not very good here

[sacred delta]

what kyurem sets are better for BO?

[final relic]

specs

subtect

[elder knoll]

^ you need more removal support though

[sacred delta]

id rather rebuild around kyurem ngl bc i like the mon instead of trying to fix this

[low phoenix]

You need pivot support

And removal

[elder knoll]

Corv/Glowking/Lu/Kyu

is a good

starting point

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/08eca5b0c815550b

[final relic]

usually gweezing is a good pairing with non boots kyurem

boots is like garbage though id avoid it

[sacred delta]

if im running a defogger like corv or gweezing i should run rocks not spikes on lu right?

[low phoenix]

yea

defog + hazard stack is kinda counterintuitive

unless youre stall

which youre fat enough to just spam hazards over a long game

[sacred delta]

alr thx

[final relic]

https://pokepast.es/d61d3e0696f88123

basic example of what this kind of team can look like

[low phoenix]

rocky helmet is underrated on clef

[sacred delta]

does waterpon work as a pivot?

[elder knoll]

It’s a pivot

But it might not be

[final relic]

yeah

[low phoenix]

it has u turn

its a pivot

[elder knoll]

What Kyurem wants

[final relic]

well it can work

just not like

[elder knoll]

ideal?

🤔

[final relic]

its not what you pair with kyurem really

[sacred delta]

why? just not bulky enough for giving safe switch ins?

[final relic]

both are extremely hazard weak and adding it doesnt give you enough slots to have a coherent build a lot of the time

also makes you very bad into pult

[elder knoll]

^ there’s also some role overlap as they’re both very good breakers

🤔

not really the same thing cause ones special and ones physical

but worth noting

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/27fa7b9b0d62c3df
Test team, I think this fits for BO/Balance? You tell me though, feels pretty good.

Thoughts?

[low phoenix]

i feel like

your team could use some more robust speed control

boots pult could work

[queen saddle]

True, true. But I also do feel like the bulk is enough. But you’re definitely not wrong.

[low phoenix]

yea but specs val and sd pon have some overlap as breakers already

[queen saddle]

Just main speed tiers that are too high I can only think of are Deoxy, Zama, Pult, Boulder, which get walled by Alolo and Pech.

[queen saddle]

True.

[low phoenix]

kingambit and av mola handle pult pretty nicely

dragapult checks zama

boulder is a fraud dont worry about him

[queen saddle]

Lmao.

[low phoenix]

i honestly dont remember the last time i saw a boulder tbh

[queen saddle]

I’ll try out Pult. But any other editions? I feel like I did decent here.

Defensive core of Alolo and Pech is nice.

Rocks and hazard control, balloon Gambit as a temporary ground immunity, and Woger as a great stall breaker and Val as an also great breaker, as you said. Pult being placed in that spot offers speed control which I do like.

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/60ffe206724f53d0 hello so this team works most of the time,it's just that hamurott seems to do nothing sometimes,should I change it or run a bulkier set ?

[low phoenix]

For a flying

Try moltres over pech

[low phoenix]

Oh and gking over mola

[low phoenix]

You got a bulky offense/balance Mon in a Ho team

Iron moth should be fine over meow on your team

So you don’t immediately die to tspikes and have another sweeper on your team

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/805700d16fe2a713

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

shit

[trail whale]

Curious what does Chomp do here instead of smth like Tusk

And I'm inclined to say hamu > deo as lead because stall big evil
But it's probably fine

[gritty lake]

chomp is the point of the team

[gritty lake]

i was very close to using modest eball deo-s lol, to hit both tusk and hamu

[orchid sequoia]

thoughts on my first draft of a Blaziken team

https://pokepast.es/d8de94305ed93c11

[misty basin]

I'd probably have a Zamazenta there, taking advantage of veil to setup and sweep

[orchid sequoia]

who would u replace?

[hot dome]

most of these mons don't fit on veil

corv and lando definitely dont fit, woger is iffy af

replace corv with iron moth for a tspikes absorber + speed control option, replace lando with kingambit for a good cleaner, switch dnite to a ddance set, then i would recommend your last to be either cm hatterene or booster attack tusk for breaking power + hazard control

[cold cosmos]

ig they're trying to remake the ss hail team

[hot dome]

well it aint good so

[cold cosmos]

lmao ye

[orchid sequoia]

Makes sense

Corv was on for hazard control lando for hazards

I was thinking of switching corv for hatterene

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/6c0d4d069e08192f I tried building a HO with deoxys-s but more offensive

[regal ginkgo]

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[magic walrus]

oh and i forgot tera dark on zama

(can woger fit on HO cuz i need prim check cuz my check for that rn is forced tera in kyu)

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/edfa059713ef15a1

[gritty lake]

[atomic mango]

how to make better https://pokepast.es/29b9275f292759d6

i want to add more stallers

[deep parcel]

iron moth

[tacit bluff]

Yeah this is just

Not a good stall team

Iron moth and scarf Lando are just, there for some reason

And ur pretty hopeless against most stall breakers

Kyurem and wellspring maul this

Also ftr

Black sludge isn't a great item

Punishing trick is cool and all but also in the Tera gen it can suddenly go from mmm my chip heal to ohgodthepain

Stall isn't really my ballpark but at a glance this struggles hard

[atomic mango]

lando is for gliscor and glimora and iron moth is for corv

iron moth sucks with the rest of the team but i cant find anything else to punish corv

[tacit bluff]

You have a toxapex and ur own gliscor glimmora is not an issue

As for opposing gliscor

That's where galarian weezing comes in

Nice poison heal bozo

Which has become a staple on stall teams as of late

Again stall isn't rly my thing

Like I'm not great at building it

https://pokepast.es/faebfe4f4bd1fc01 but this is the stall sample for instance

[atomic mango]

ok thx

[low phoenix]

Building around heatran and hoopa u seems kinda odd in the ting Lu Zam dragonite era

Seems aight otherwise

[broken lynx]

https://pokepast.es/26016ad7a0656fd2 tera ghost dragonite with some stuff,thoughts?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/e6f3199faeb1e558

[opaque shale]

https://pokepast.es/a66bd8a476521c52

ive been using this sample team but find if webs or full hazard stacks it suffers, any suggestions?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque shale]

Taunt doesnt really help against a ribombee

[trail whale]

you want to lead Iron Moth vs Ribombee and just try to keep an advantage, HO hates being left behind in momentum

try Psychic -> Sub to properly do it

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/71351de101455096

[cold cosmos]

heres an idea

maybe

instead of spamming different teams

you pick one whose shell you like

ladder with it

and tweak the issues

idk

just an idea

[gritty lake]

[cold cosmos]

i wanted to use hoopa u, not tran

im up to change tran if you want

[elder knoll]

If you’re building

Hoopa-U

I recommend either having more aggressive pivots

OR

going more into support like Geezing

[opaque shale]

Usually focus sash tho

Literally cannot stop lead webs

[trail whale]

like
Sub -> Fiery Dance twice

[opaque shale]

Interesting

Thanks ill try it

[trail whale]

tho maybe forced to mindgame a bit vs psychic

[opaque shale]

Like once webs goes up the team struggles once moth dies

[cold cosmos]

why

alo wish for hoopa would be fire

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/42ddfeb3518080da is this ok?

[magic walrus]

What does x scissor accomplish?

Prob replace that with sucker punch

[trail whale]

No ground immunity and triple dark on a team that isn't super offense seem very iffy..

Sets like that Zama and X Scissor Hamurott seem very awkward.

Do you have an idea of what you want to build around? Giving the sample teams to get more familiar with the meta is also a good idea

[hollow perch]

I've seen some teams that use dark types to remove pecharunts checks

So I want to try something like that

[trail whale]

I'm not so sure when 2 of them can't touch Gambit
And I think 3 is excessive when you're trying to go for a team with Pecha pivots

[hollow perch]

I don't mind replacing anything except pecha and h samurott

[trail whale]

You should use Knock Off on Hamurott over X Scissor and make Zamazenta the AoA set. Lets you use Rocks on Tusk and have hazards

I think you can make Gambit smth more immidiete like Specs Crown that takes advantage of all the pivoting and then slot in a good flying type over Darkrai

[hollow perch]

Would replacing Zama with a physical valiant work?

[trail whale]

I'm not confident in it but you can try

[hollow perch]

Ok thanks

[atomic jolt]

Hi
would like to get this team rated https://pokepast.es/4d578bee37d7a26c
trying to make a balanced team with specs pult and ogerpon-c
started off by copying the specs crown balanced sample team, replaced the iron crown and weavile with the two mons
it felt weak to ice and ogerpon-w so I tried changing the mons around but tried to keep the roles kind of the same
really missing toxic sometimes but I already took out gliscor and pecharunt for skarmory with whirlwind to keep ho in check. the team is also a little leaning on to physical atk and bulk with alo being the only check I have for special attackers

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[misty basin]

Don't cook ever again what the hell is that Alomomola set

Mirror Coat just fails under AV IIRC

And you'd rather have wish protect flip turn and a 4th move

(scald on this case)

Tera Ice Great Tusk also doesn't sound that good

Otherwise seems like a standard ish team

[atomic jolt]

This was part of the sample set and it actually works lol

[misty basin]

What

[atomic jolt]

Yup

Lemme link you the sample team

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams-new-samples-added-post-spl-and-roaring-moon-ban.3712513/
It's the specs crown plus av alomomola balance one

That set felt so fun that it's the only one I didn't change in the team

The alo isn't also meant to face any physical attackers, which was kind of why the sample set had pecharunt and gliscor being the phys bulk of the team and I tried recreating it with gambit+skarm

Honestly thinking of swapping gambit for moltres but then I won't have a ghost resist it actually makes even more holes

[tacit bluff]

av alo is a common set

[tacit bluff]

I assume the idea is bulky offence?

[elder knoll]

mirror coat works with av

[tacit bluff]

yh

mirror coat is evil on alo

I think we should arrest people who run it

its such a L bozo xd

[elder knoll]

facts...

[tacit bluff]

as you ohko their special attacker

[atomic jolt]

I'm making it a bit bulky to compensate for my two breakers yeah

wait sorry the original idea was to make it a balance team but yeah pult and ogre-c needs some bulky supports

[nocturne sable]

??? Tera ice Tusk is a pretty common Tera type

[atomic jolt]

is it to kill other tusks and gliscors?

just boost ice spinner damage

[elder knoll]

guarantee ohko on Gliscor

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ab85f5ab6a3ceb35

Wanted to build around dnite

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Ngl this team needs to be a little bit faster because it kinda just loses to weavile

[arctic frigate]

Maybe i can replace pech with mola

or go scarf meow

[north nimbus]

If you replace pecha you then just lose vs zama, I don’t even know why there’s more then two darks if this isn’t a dark spam offense, but fwiw ur most likely better of replacing meow for something amongst like or even consider zama > great tusk since the team could use more immediate breaking power

[arctic frigate]

Do i not need removal?

[nocturne sable]

Make rai your knocker

And as tyson said maybe replace meow for zama

[arctic frigate]

I dont like rai knocker. Can i use weav instead?

[nocturne sable]

Weavile is doable ig but I’m a bigger fan of rai

[arctic frigate]

Ok

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/35368e1c7939893e

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/b7cefdd029e3ccf2

So like this then?

[north nimbus]

Ngl this is borderline close to a. Sample already ur prob better with that

[arctic frigate]

Whats the sample?

[alpine hornet]

ik others have already responded but please do not respond to team rates if you arent experienced with the meta

av mola makes up a good 20% of mola usage on high ladder

[frozen spoke]

https://pokepast.es/7b9ee4a201710d4c Dragonite Offense

Been loving Dragonite's set versatility so I'm trying to run a tera fairy set with earthquake for coverage

[low phoenix]

creative dragonite set 👌

[frozen spoke]

Oh thank you lol

I was just checking out Pinkacross's Dragonite video though and took that set

[stone sierra]

i copied his team and its working great

[low phoenix]

cinderace over glowking should be fine

so you have another hazard removal

[frozen spoke]

alrighty, thanks!