SV OU Rates

[tacit bluff]

or you're finding smth in particular difficult to deal with

[low phoenix]

I wanna know how this team doesn’t just die to valiant

[tacit bluff]

Molt or zap can handle physical valiant well and if it's special it doesn't handle treads particularly well

Plus you could tera chomp away from a weakness and obliterate it

If it's not booster zama threatens heavy slam and hamu also threatens it a lot if it's not booster

Worst comes to worse drop hamu for ghold again ig

Or actually

Primarina is nice here

As another option over hamu

You lose spikes as an option but it's fine

Up to you @gritty lake

[gritty lake]

alr tysm ill consider all you've said and ill try both versions

[tacit bluff]

Yw

[split hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/c41ad5f6f6353ec0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque shale]

https://pokepast.es/d571beae5a5ac04b

cant get past 1200 but thats probably just a skill issue, i feel like zapdos slot needs changing

[stone sierra]

If you want araq webs use this https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/peaked-3-2062-elo-zodiac-webs-a-webstacular-6.3764214/

[opaque shale]

My team useless? 😦

[stone sierra]

No this team is just better

[nocturne sable]

In the future I would run healing wish scarf enamorus over Tera blast

[opaque shale]

Tera blast enam is only reason im running enam

Contrary stellar tera boost every hit

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/20437d47512fc8a8 ngl goodra has been a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge help on this team, av walls bolt/wake which are the 2 biggest threats to my team

[opaque shale]

Do you think bolt is better here than zapdos?

[stone sierra]

bolt is goated on webs

[stone sierra]

.

[hot dome]

zapdos isn't good on webs because zapdos isnt' a good offensive mon in general

it just isn't up to snuff

[stone sierra]

It’s really good at rng bullshiting

Static is horrifying

[hot dome]

its really not

[opaque shale]

So replace zapdos with bolt right?

[opaque shale]

I replaced zapdos with ironmoth for now

[stone sierra]

Btw can you look at my BO team?

[hot dome]

i saw av zama and clicked off

[stone sierra]

Oh I forgot to swap off that

Oops

Supposed to be boots but before I added goodra I needed smth that could take a strong special hit and retaliate

[gritty lake]

im struggling with rotom waterpon and prim w/ this one

washtom forces chomp to tera to even break it

wallspring can just ivy cudgel for days against me whenever it comes in

and prim has no switchins, so i hv to sack against it and force it out w/ chomp

and with the zap version other fairies like enam are very troublesome

tho the team is very fun

[tacit bluff]

zap vers if you want you can also swap the samurott slot for a pivot like pecharunt if you want

not as aggro and means you have less breaking power but it should be ok

pecharunt helps deal with the fairies

oversight on my end sorry bout that

plus it gives you another defensive tool

glowking can also work but pecha's speed tier makes it preferable imo

[gritty lake]

is there no way to keep samurott, it has been really good rn

[tacit bluff]

hmmm

[gritty lake]

leads off into many things and water typing is really clutch at times

[tacit bluff]

if the fairies are a struggle you could change the treads set

to iron head

or you could like

drop rocks altogether

since you have spikes

so you can fit knock and iron head

while keeping rapid spin

[gritty lake]

i hv been using ice spinner over knock otherwise gliscor just comes in forever and toxics everything

[tacit bluff]

hmmm

well thats fine too

[gritty lake]

ok then

[tacit bluff]

its hard to fit everything alas, pecha over zap could be an option but then steels become annoying

tough to cover for everything

I'd consider the iron head on treads

to slam smth like enam as it comes in

[gritty lake]

yea

[tacit bluff]

you could also go for a different tera

the frustrating thing is that you do speed tie enam

[gritty lake]

i was also considering booster energy

[tacit bluff]

earth power won't ko but you live with a sliver and you need to be at full

[gritty lake]

but treads comes in multiple times

[tacit bluff]

yeahh

oh an idea occured to me

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/cfb64a215a885af8

[gritty lake]

oh wait

[tacit bluff]

this can work

but dnite becomes more of an issue

[gritty lake]

Iron Moth @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Fiery Dance
• Sludge Wave
• U-turn
• Morning Sun

have had this idea for some time

[tacit bluff]

I mean

issue is that moth isn't very bulky to take advantage of morning sun

[gritty lake]

can change that to gleam

[tacit bluff]

atp use pecha tho no?

like

if ur pivoting

lowkey

see what suits you

like make the changes you want

and test em

cause its almost there

garchomp is tricky to build with alas

[gritty lake]

ill try that too

[gritty lake]

👍

[gritty lake]

unfortunately, hopefully it makes a comeback next gen

[tacit bluff]

speed tier so awkward it hurts 😔

[queen saddle]

Trying to make Hoopa Unbound work in OU, and using webs this time as make him a sweeper.
https://pokepast.es/859ca00826e04fbc
Been making multiple teams with this guy cause those stats just too hard to pass on up.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I used my old Hoopa EV’s, but I think I can just go max sp. atk and max speed with 4 atk.

Lmk if there are better web partners w Hoopa. 🙏

[nocturne sable]

I’m just saying healing wish enam provides a lot more Utility for the team

[oblique root]

Tried pairing Primarina with Heatran, i love both pokemon so why not lol.

https://pokepast.es/29b9709d21447dd6

i tried doing something with specs bolt but not really 100% sure if it fits the team more than booster energy

also went tera fairy tera blast instead of calm mind

ok i just noticed i had the wrong tera for dragonite lol

[nocturne sable]

Heatran kinda feels redundant on this team I don’t really get it’s purpose on the team

[oblique root]

on second thought yeah, i initially put it in as a resist for prim's checks like poison/grass/steel but i added kingambit and bolt which definitely made him redundant in terms of checking prim's counters defensively

althought it can check grass/steel types offensively

magma storm also gives me chances for pivoting imo

[low phoenix]

i dont like heatran in this meta

ting lu and gliscor are highly dominant in this meta

since you are running double dragon + kingambit id change it to pecharunt for a solid defensive glue + pivot into these mons

[queen saddle]

Just noticed a slight flaw, Waterpon hits half this team with its STAB, and play rough variants with SD hit 5 for super effective damage.

[hollow perch]

Can someone help me with this please?

Pecharunt @ Air Balloon
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Toxic
• Hex
• Parting Shot
• Recover

Darkrai @ Choice Specs
Ability: Bad Dreams
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dark Pulse
• Focus Blast
• Ice Beam
• Trick

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 88 Def / 168 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Stone Edge
• Psychic Fangs

Samurott-Hisui @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Taunt
• Flip Turn
• Aqua Cutter

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• High Horsepower
• U-turn
• Knock Off

Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Court Change
• U-turn
• Pyro Ball
• Gunk Shot

[nocturne sable]

This is almost every balance team btw

[nocturne sable]

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

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This command will be removed soon please use !psteams or !shareteam moving forward.

[hollow perch]

Ok sorry

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1089314-6gxgyxa9c8fu2v09jnr1

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/24ded8570430eafd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

These sets are really wack

[low phoenix]

specs rai and vest rilla are

interesting

[gritty lake]

Vgc moment

[low phoenix]

also toxic pech

feels wayyyyyyyy too passive

[hollow perch]

I thought malignant was a bit inconsistent when I used it

[low phoenix]

wdym

its a spammable 100bp attack

50% toxic chance is literally 1/2 attacks

[hollow perch]

Ok I'll switch it back

I put scarf on darkrai?

[low phoenix]

also sash hamurott is exclusively used as a suicide lead on hyper offense teams

[hollow perch]

What item should samurott hold?

[low phoenix]

on your team av or boots

also i am very skeptical about rillaboom these days

knock off is the only reason its not a complete fraud

[hollow perch]

Can replace with meowscarada?

[low phoenix]

no

[hot dome]

Then this team is just all over the place

What’s the idea behind this team?

[low phoenix]

^

[hollow perch]

I tried to build it around pecharunt

And the dark types to cover for it

[low phoenix]

rillaboom aint it in this team then

[hollow perch]

Replace rillaboom with lando t

[low phoenix]

That works

[brazen void]

https://pokepast.es/80f72a386ae457d3
My OU team, im very new to pokemon showdown and i know that this team is Very mid
If you see something i would need to change or replace tell me

[elder knoll]

Hiiiiiii

So this teams has some major issues so id recommend you look at the sample teams to get a better idea of the OU meta

Once you have a better idea of the meta and revise the team

Feel free to come back

[brazen void]

Okkkk thank you for the tips

[hasty otter]

https://pokepast.es/41d017e07ffe5257 Know sand isn't good but wanted to try making it work anything I should replace?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Highkey, Band exadrill on sand has been doing decently lately

You can look into that if you want to run sand

It would usually have rocks twave ice beam ttat+Waterpon and co

[hot dome]

sand without excadrill is pointless

[supple sable]

Yeah add exca

[hasty otter]

Okay isn’t sand rush banned tho?

[elder knoll]

No

You’re confusing OU meta games

[hasty otter]

Ouuu

[hasty otter]

ice beam twave rocks on ttar?

[nocturne sable]

Yup

With knock off as the last move

[hasty otter]

Okay and add Waterpon?

Instead of prima

https://pokepast.es/f9b62a2dfcf8a71c

should i replace hatt or gold for removal or for being too weak to gambit/darkrai?

[low phoenix]

i dont think you need pult as excadrill acts as your main speed control already under sand

you can slot in a kingambit somewhere i feel like

ive never played sand though so apologies if my advice isnt the most well informed

[nocturne sable]

Pult is fine maybe he can just run sub over U-turn or something

[low phoenix]

i swear i wanna call sub pult unviable but every time i face it it is annoying af

[elder knoll]

it’s one of those sets I would never recommend

but I would never say you shouldn’t run it

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/20121e37c724720d

my first time playing singles. Hows my stall team?

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

if this is your first time you should look at samples and get an idea of what is good in the metagame first

[paper chasm]

this is not a stall team

[nocturne sable]

This is not a stall team unfortunately

Gholdengo,Tusk, and magic guard clefable don’t fit on stall

There should be a stall sample team in the samples

[hot dome]

magic guard clef does fit on stall in specific circumstances

but in this case quaqrash is right that this team is more blanace than stall

[empty sand]

…..

Wow

[hot dome]

unfortauntely this team just doesn't work, stall is supposed to be 5-6 walls all centered around tanking attacks and using hazards/status/the occasional attack to wear down teams ¯_(ツ)_/¯

this team is not that, tusk is inherently an offensive mon, same with ghold, your defensive core is too weak without them (and garg is more a balance mon as well)

[empty sand]

I was balance thinking it was stall 😭

[low phoenix]

balance has offensive options that are typically brung in by your defensive pivots or are bulky enough to be facilitated in when switched on the right time

garg is good on bulky offense teams too but its part of a defensive core that supports your offensive mons

[stone sierra]

6-0ed by Waterpon

[alpine furnace]

Wow i thought you were exaggerating. Nothing on this team prevents SD

[hot dome]

Guys this team has already been rated three times

you do not need to give your one liners afterwards

They have already been told to use samples, no need to ping them twice afterwards

[empty sand]

https://pokepast.es/727dee92b0251558

please don’t rag me again

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Cooked by Waterpon unfortunately

Also bootspam stall

is kinda outdated

[gritty lake]

[nocturne sable]

You can just use the double defog stall team if you want to use a modern stall team

[pseudo haven]

https://pokepast.es/2eafe30fe26fc942

[hot dome]

This stall team has a lot of issues unfortunately, like a poor MU into Primarina, Wellspring, and Kyurem, knock absorbers that lose to common knockers, and overall this style of stall is just extremely dated

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/c723042ca1fb5b13
TR OU.

I feel like I need another physical attacker but no idea on who.

[gritty lake]

Crawdaunt

Also cresselia zong are very good

[nocturne sable]

Not really the biggest fan of defensive glowking as a TR setter

Don’t think you really need both specs torkoal and hydrapple on the same team

[queen saddle]

Slowking lowk puts in a LOT of work, but I wasn’t sure about double specs either.

Hydrapple and Torkoal also put in a lot of work, respectively. I do like Hydrapple’s breaking power and healing more than Torkoals burst.

But Tork does one shot w tera fire eruption a G-Slowking.

Idk the calcs w out tera fire.

[queen saddle]

Thanks for the tip btw. Might use one of these, already tried Cress.

I also like Hydrapple because he’s a ground resist that I desperately need.

Had hands at first but the weakness to ground was BAD.

https://pokepast.es/d3de923ef3eae38c
How’s this?

[empty sand]

Oh

[hot dome]

Idk why you have three different setters but diancie sucks

[queen saddle]

Feels like 3 setters is kind of needed imo, but if that’s the case I can use Torkoal or something for steels.

[hot dome]

Cress is a better setter than gking swap gking out

[queen saddle]

I use Slowking because he can swap. Isn’t that better?

[hot dome]

Specs Hydrapple ain’t it run Specs Enam-T instead if you want a specs Mon for Troom

[hot dome]

No, less bulk + shut down by taunt + you can healing wish anyways

[queen saddle]

Yeah, but I like continuously swapping and stuff. But I get wym.

I’ll try out Cress.

[queen saddle]

Understood.

[hot dome]

Instead of diancie run a cleaner mon ie gambit

You need something that can work outside of troom

[queen saddle]

You right.

[hot dome]

Iffy about crawdaunt ngl but I suppose it would help break teams

[queen saddle]

Yeah, thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it.

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/918d28d6d1d26c38
Is this better? I tried Cress but I genuinely just prefer Glowking, but other than that, any problems?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Not satisfied with Enamorous’ damage output tbh, should I use cm? It’s a waste of TR turns though.

[hot dome]

When you're given advice from a rater please follow it

I already told you what changes to make

[queen saddle]

I’m trying to see my other options, because one thing or another isn’t working, simple.

[hot dome]

Well the advice is go back to what I said already

[queen saddle]

Well maybe I wasn’t asking only you.

There’s other raters to ask for a reason.

[scarlet geyser]

Hello please take Faya's advice on the teams. Multiple raters aren't here to rate one team

try out the changes for a day or two of games, if things arent working out come back here and report the problems you're having

[low phoenix]

they will just say the same thing bro

[carmine oak]

i want to try out an sd scizor hstack balance

https://pokepast.es/7783141bb488097e

currently i need a rocker to get rocks on corv, seconday knocker, and flying type

idk if i want to make clef rocks twave and use sd scor

or make clef cm knock and use a flying type rocker that can somehow rock on corv

taunt glisc cm clef?

[hot dome]

We don’t help with incomplete teams

[carmine oak]

😦

i thought it would be fine since i clearly want 3 specific roles filled

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/eb3e3def704cd026

Bulky offense build around if we are scrapping mons i want to build around either wogerpon OR ena

[empty verge]

Team is pretty fine

But

1. Boots > helmet on tusk this gives you the longevity you need to check stuff like opposing gambit. In addition to clearing hazards for your pivot ogerpon.

2. Tera dragon on zap. You have a big hole vs opposing ogerpon and this helps your matchup a little as Ogerpon tries to click cudgel.

3. I feel like your gambit could just run max here ngl prob even Tera dark. I don’t really see too much need for Tera ghost here esp since Slowking + Enam should be more than enough for stuff like zama.

[carmine oak]

are you fucking kidding me

who the fuck uses max attack high jump kick libero cinderace

[empty verge]

I know you are frustrated but this isn’t really the place to vent about matches

[bold stone]

https://pokepast.es/2d8d683233a303d4 I've been experimenting with the last slot (corv in the paste) for things like wellspring or even Kommo-o but I want to know what pokemon should be replaced or improved sets.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[arctic frigate]

Ty

[pseudo haven]

https://pokepast.es/2eafe30fe26fc942

[heady comet]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/holding-out-for-a-hero-zamazenta-bulky-offensive.3764747/ team rate here if people would be so kind thank you ❤️

[elder knoll]

I might replace Rillaboom for Landorous-Therian

that would free up the Tusk spot for something else

but it might be hard to pilot since you would be reliant on taunt + hat to keep hazards off

[empty verge]

1. I think meow should be scarf here for speed control band feels middling.

2. Drop ival for a proper flying type probably moltres as this helps you vs grounds(you have no flying type) and things like kyurem.

3. Give great tusk boots so you have the longevity to spin and remove hazards for av prim which needs hazards off to function effectively,

That’s the changes id make imo.

[split hamlet]

I wanted to make Krookodile work in OU because it's one of my favorite pokemon. This is like my second team and I tried applying the guidance from smogon to create this.

https://pokepast.es/30b4ca7d3b7db57a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Hate to burst your bubble but krook will not work in ou on a serious team. The biggest reasons it won’t succeed is the fact it’s outclassed by every ground in the tier (Lando,ting-Lu, great tusk) whether it’s in bulk or attack. Also Lando and especially great tusk is a huge roadblock for it and that’s nothing to say of the birds that wall it.

[split hamlet]

well wroth a shot

[empty verge]

You can do it if you want but it will not be rated by us as we rate viable options rather than favorites

Best of luck

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/20437d47512fc8a8 need smth to replace goodra with (pretend zam is boots), all I need is for it to beat bolt/wake and help make progress, which goodra doesn’t feel like it’s doing

[hot dome]

Just post the updated team then

[stone sierra]

Don’t have it available rn

[hot dome]

Idk why you keep sending the wrong team if it’s actually outdated + it tells us that you haven’t tested it

[stone sierra]

I just need a goodra replacement

Updated team is just zama with boots

But goodra feels really weak

[elder knoll]

you forgot

to bring rocks again

[heady comet]

I'll do some testing also made the team into a pokepaste now I'm home and chill

https://pokepast.es/47e93bb120246d59

[low phoenix]

Prob make tusk boots so it has some extra longetivity

[heady comet]

Forgot the change that like the RMT he has boots

[low phoenix]

What rmt

Cuz we don’t rate teams made by other players

Also try Tera ice great tusk

For zapdos/gliscor

[heady comet]

? It's my team?

[low phoenix]

Wait really

If you say so

My advice still applies tho

Just won a game with ur team btw

[low phoenix]

If you have trouble with iron moth make hamurott av with Tera poison

[wide valve]

https://pokepast.es/eba46ea9a9b48a97 R8 please, this team has been pretty good to me so far but I still feel like something is missing. I struggle with ceruledge heavily and any funky dnite set (aka. tera blast ghost, low kick, encore) throws the team off pretty badly. Maybe it's from the way I'm playing but I want a second opinion

[elder knoll]

your link is dead

😔

[wide valve]

mb

[elder knoll]

If you want to run a hazard stuck you need knock

[wide valve]

Do I not?

oh crap I don't.

[elder knoll]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Encore

nope

[wide valve]

I had it on ogerpon then swapped it for sd

[elder knoll]

[wide valve]

do I need more than 1 knocker?

ogerpon is good but since I have no removal it's hard to switch to after the enemy gets up a couple hazards

[elder knoll]

With Pon you probably need removal

more than one knocker is always good

[low phoenix]

I think ogerpon can be replaced with a bulky wincon like cm clef or sd gliscor

[wide valve]

then wouldn't my team just be a semi stall basically?

I really like waterpon for its speed and ridiculous damage output

and it's able to check a lot of dragapults checks in the right situation

but idk I can try gliscor I guess

[elder knoll]

you do not

have the longevity to be a semi-stall

[wide valve]

yeah ur right but even with gliscor I still get washed by ceruledge

[old willow]

Hi pink

[hollow perch]

https://pokepast.es/b5526ac5f2c236c1

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Boots spam with zero knock absorbers isn’t good sadly

Also this team has no breaking power I don’t see how this team beats common defense cores like corv+glowking

[hollow perch]

What should I change?

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/fc3734026e182f2c wanna build a bo around this regen core, just not sure how to go about it

[stone sierra]

There’s a sample bo team with a regenerator core iirc

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

Mola is a tad bit too passive for BO, if you want to keep the regen core with Mola you need to pivot to Balance

Otherwise, yeah there’s a sample team with a very similar core minus mola if you want to simply build the Gking hydrapple core

[echo rampart]

it’s fine on BO if it’s AV

but yeah generally you wanna win before your team gets low enough go need wish support

[narrow crest]

yeah kinda wanted too base it off that team a lil bit

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/4c62aa7f73e93bcf been trying to find a walking wake/raging neck answer for this team, is AV scizor it?

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[stone sierra]

not sure how it does with my other mus

[north nimbus]

Why not just gking, tho a ground would also be nice here to prevent raging bolt to freely click elec moves

[stone sierra]

cant switch in

2hkoed in sun

[north nimbus]

I mean let’s be real not a whole bunch is going to be stomaching Tera hydro realistically and helps at scouting against it where you can pivot around it depending what move it locks in which is lot better then av who not only also does get 2hko but forcing it to run av means no boots leaving it vulnerable to hazards and no roost so you can sustain your so call wake and bolt answer which it hardly even checks the latter

At least gking can sponge a hit be able to scout a set or even force Tera if they try to remove gking, and can place both wake and bolt on a timer with toxic

[stone sierra]

i think AV glowking works

thanks

btw can you please use punctuation

[north nimbus]

Me personally would say boots would say boots would be better just getting the toxic of things like bolt would be extremely beneficial for your team and you also get to screw over weather if ur super concern about sun mu

Tho you should still consider adding a ground here fwiw

[stone sierra]

tru, thanks for the help

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/c94a49670905371f
Rain test, scarf Ghold in last slot because I needed a boots Dragapult check.

[north nimbus]

I mean what’s the difference in using this and gambit cause at least gambit gives u a more define ghost resist and secondary win con that doesn’t rely on rain while still checking the ghost albeit more reliable the dengo would

[queen saddle]

True, but the thing I fear is will-o-wisp.

But Gambit is a good idea.

Lum berry Gambit?

[north nimbus]

Nothing a good old Tera fire can’t solve

Or even lum too

[queen saddle]

You’re right, you’re right.

I’ll try that, thanks a bunch!

[north nimbus]

No problem

[queen saddle]

Might use balloon Treads.

[nocturne sable]

Sorry for the late response, while I was in the process I realized that the lokix+latios would probably be more efficient

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/07d5ec177be05ce6

Someone told me to build a team of mons I dislike

I think this is pretty solid except no spin blocker

Maybe have a different Zama set?

And more degen Dnite set

[nocturne sable]

I think adding pecha would make sense here

[elder knoll]

Over Tran?

🤔

that means losing a spdef guy though

hmm

[nocturne sable]

I mean you have ting Lu so you can afford dropping a spdef guy

[stoic iron]

the kyu switchin in question

[hollow perch]

Would replacing tinglu with clefable work

But the team would have no ground

[nocturne sable]

Ting Lu and clefable can definitely work on the same team

No need for one to replace another

[devout bobcat]

https://pokepast.es/cbaf05d93bdfa5ad

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[north nimbus]

This is an interesting sun team not sure why there is double sun setters and hazard setters

[devout bobcat]

Tales is for leads like ham and landot while tork is a late game re-sunsetter. torkoal doesnt have much offensive use because of whatever base speed it has and so I just kinda gave it some moves. Tusk is offensive utility that I forewent cc on for rocks

comfey and wake are the stars of the show though

[stone sierra]

how does it break balance or stall without wake

[north nimbus]

Idk relying on multiple sun setters and well hazard setters as well means you give up any real benefits or abusers to make the most of the sun

[barren ridge]

wake is the sixth mon.

[north nimbus]

Which at point you just wanna set up and let your team click buttons or ensure hazards never go up in your side

[devout bobcat]

🙏

[devout bobcat]

click the button is my favorite game 😍

[devout bobcat]

Who should I forgoe on the team?

[north nimbus]

Would do eject button hatt > tork and something like venu > pult

Realistically I would also ditch comfey but given you do desire to keep it

[devout bobcat]

I've seen ebutton hatt on ladder but what does it even do? sorry if this is a dumb question; I mostly play ru

[north nimbus]

Basically lets you sponge a hit and bring allies in since hatterene role here is to deny hazards with magic bounce, spread status with nuzzle, and if no longer needed use hwish to bring an ally to full again to have a second chance to win

[devout bobcat]

ohhh ty

[stone sierra]

i know

i meant if it died

[elder knoll]

Double sun setters are not a real concept in singles

Comfey loses to Tera dark Blissey

Timid wake loses to Blissey/Pex

That tusk set is walled by Corv

All in all 2/10 stall MU

[devout bobcat]

it does not??

[elder knoll]

Unless you crit it does

1v1 you lose

[devout bobcat]

a super effective stab move 9 times out of 10 boosted to at least +4 can handle blissey especially since it recovers seismic damage

also nobody gaf about your stupid anime melon

[hot dome]

idk why you're so hostile when Pinkstork is just trying to help you

and yes Comfey doesn't beat Blissey in a 1v1

+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Comfey Stored Power (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 133-157 (20.3 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
If you Growth on the switch then Stored Power, it bounces off Blissey
+4 252+ SpA Life Orb Triage Comfey Draining Kiss vs. +1 4 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Dark Blissey: 198-237 (30.3 - 36.3%) -- 52.1% chance to 3HKO
If you go for a double growth, and Blissey Tera Dark, it bounces off Blissey
+6 252+ SpA Life Orb Triage Comfey Draining Kiss vs. +2 4 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Dark Blissey: 198-237 (30.3 - 36.3%) -- 52.1% chance to 3HKO
If you go for a triple growth and max out your spattack, it bounces off Blissey

And from there the CM stacks add up and then your only hope is a crit

So yes, Comfey loses to Blissey

[hot dome]

Yeah looking at this team, even with Tyson's changes, your only bet is to entirely overwhelm Blissey by forcing saccs from their other spdef mon, which doesn;'t really work since tera steel pex sits on comfey and then they can save their Blissey for Venu

Wake should also be running Flip Turn over Dragon Pulse

Would heavily recommend dropping the Comfey for a physical attacker, Ceruledge is a good pick

[north nimbus]

ATP that’s just CTC’s sun

[hot dome]

yeah cuz its good lol

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/534c9ac09ef7d571

thinking maybe sub tect kyu over weavile

[hot dome]

where hazard removal

[north nimbus]

It’s right there if you look closely

[north nimbus]

Jokes aside yeah this desperately wants a hazard remover would hoenstly consider pecha > dogi and tusk > aloma

Actually gking

[narrow crest]

was kinda trying to build around dogi tbh @north nimbus

av or bu is fine

[low phoenix]

If you’re building around dogi prob best to add a hazard control like great tusk or cinderace so you don’t get worn down by hazards

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/7fcbd5becba716c7

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[silver river]

Offence

[low phoenix]

What is ur plan vs iron valiant

[trail whale]

I think the last two don't really work with the concept you're trying to build, you want better speed control and a more reliable pivot (i.e Pecharunt, Lando-T)

[north nimbus]

Would do then like ace > woger and then an immediate breaker > dnite

[low phoenix]

Ting Lu can work on offense tbh

I agree with adding Pech tho

Ting Lu and treads together is weird tho

[silver river]

ikr? I could only think of 4 at first, added the other two later.
Ngl tho, *tera fairy whirlwind has come in clutch a couple of times when I've let setup guy...set up

[silver river]

By replacing what

[stone sierra]

#1373406929317269624 message

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/c7939e0e6ca044a4
Thoughts?

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[nocturne sable]

Grimmsnarl is not really a good screens setter, if you want a good screens setter you can use deo-speed or aurora veil

Minior isn’t good unfortunately, it’s stats are too mid for it to be a good shell smash user

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/866c661be586ff47 is this team good

[elder knoll]

I would think about a secondary form of hazard control

like a Hat maybe since you’re going to be doing a lot of pivoting

also I would think about dropping one of your ghosts for something like a scarf Darkai

and maybe including a setup Mon like iron press Zama as a win con

[livid yew]

yeah true the double ghost was really annoying sometimes

[empty verge]

1. Not bad but pon should be swords dance (this gives you a effective wincon something your team lacks)

2. You can make pult specs this gives you an immediate breaker.

3. I think your hazard control might be fine but I would encourage you to run another ghold set maybe nasty plot Dragapult is already good speed control. Also make Lando max speed imo.

Alternatively you can do great tusk > Lando this will give you stronger hazard control.

2. Moltres > ace gives you a better answer to stuff like kyurem too.

The last two lines are an alternative you can do

I suggest making a couple different variants and see what works for you

[livid yew]

thanks I'll change ghold since he wasn't that useful

[empty verge]

Ghold can be Kingambit

Asw

Gl

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/07a4a14284c02fa4 updated the BO team, lando is band bc im worried about not having a good wallbreaker

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[north nimbus]

No rocks is kinda sus, you also do have zama aoa + fs tbh

[north nimbus]

Could use an honest ghost resist

[stone sierra]

fs?

[stone sierra]

wish i could fit garg here, idk what to slot out for it

[north nimbus]

Future sight

[north nimbus]

There’s also ting Lu

Gives u a ground still, good ghost resist, and rocker

Plus phaser

[carmine oak]

help idk what the last should be

https://pokepast.es/7bb1ad6cb07ee34c

i originally had dnite but it didn't do anything so i've switched to apple

but i haven't tested with apple yet

[nocturne sable]

What’s Tera ice for on zama just curious

[carmine oak]

uh

to hit scor harder

some games sciz feels dogshit and some games sciz actually just destroys the opponent

[nocturne sable]

Apple is nice because it gives you that extra coverage vs waterpon

[carmine oak]

i was thinking of maybe even just replacing sciz too

i was thinking like

[nocturne sable]

Although bolt MU is looking rough

[carmine oak]

lando samu ghold zama ace + last

[carmine oak]

boots kyurem?

[nocturne sable]

Hmm I was thinking making the sets a little more offensive

Like gholdengo can be np or scizor could be CB

[carmine oak]

idk

maybe like

these 5 + last

https://pokepast.es/2d203597aec3c3a3

but idk what the last would be

[nocturne sable]

Tusk would be good here imo

[carmine oak]

eh then it becomes cope into fairies

i want a last that has knock and can beat fairies

that's why i had sciz

no dnite then?

just something with lando samu spinblocker

[nocturne sable]

What about pecha

[carmine oak]

i want to run ghold

for like

corv

[empty verge]

Av prim

[nocturne sable]

I was about to say

[empty verge]

You want something that can soak up wisp

[nocturne sable]

Prim

[carmine oak]

yeah i was gonna say that too

[carmine oak]

thought about it asw

i think i go pech yeah if i use double taunt

then it's like

lando samu pech zama

[empty verge]

Also ice fang > heavy slam imo on zama

[elder knoll]

AV prim wants a spinner

[nocturne sable]

Tusk!

[empty verge]

Hits Gliscor

[empty verge]

Yeah

This works better

[nocturne sable]

Prim and tusk

[carmine oak]

why not bootspam

is bootspam or tusk a better route to take

[empty verge]

Tusk imo

[nocturne sable]

You can run boots on tusk

[carmine oak]

dont i get owned by kyu then

[nocturne sable]

For it to remove hazards better

[elder knoll]

Another option is AV Hat and dropping bots

my favorite core

hat/lando/samu

[carmine oak]

only pech fairy resist is still so cope into fairies

[empty verge]

Can drop hold for moltres

Since av prim

Checks similar things

[carmine oak]

what is hold

[empty verge]

Ghold

[carmine oak]

i don't have it anymore lol

it's just lando samu + spinblocker

[empty verge]

Oh lol

I see

[carmine oak]

is ghold or pech better

pech + lando + zama checks like every physical attacker in the tier

[north nimbus]

Depends on the team

[carmine oak]

double taunt?

prob pech

lando samu pech

then whatever knocker

and then fill it out

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/6585cd04338a883b Need help improvising this team (I wont be responding but DMs are fine)

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[carmine oak]

i played basically this exact team but boots torn over pech on ladder

like literally exactly the same

[magic walrus]

oh wait actually

oh yeah

fogot

nvermind ima make new then

[low phoenix]

This is just a sample but with torn t over Pech

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/06dd3d23512289c1 (pls don't get mad at me)

[silver river]

Knock off instead of CC on tusk and flame body + tera flying on heatran would be nice imo

Idk tho

[hot dome]

You have posted so many garchomp teams

The advice has always been the same

Idk why you keep posting here if you aren’t going to take it

[gritty lake]

ok sir

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/f80a2c6921bde02c what do you think of this (idk what walking wake is doing here)

[elder knoll]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/idol-choice-specs-iron-valiant-1849-elo-89-peak.3760451/

use this team instead

you have like 1/2 of the mons anyways

[livid yew]

yeah true

yea tusk and gambit aren't too uncommon lol

[nocturne sable]

That’s an understatement lol

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/63a755e9aad335eb

I need help

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[elder knoll]

with this very honest team

I think

I need a little bit more breaking power

somewhere

I would strongly prefer to keep Jirachi as it has a very important job of robbing games

[low phoenix]

I think wisp over thunder wave on pult

So you can do something vs switch ins like ting Lu

[nocturne sable]

Para spam is nice but I’m wondering how you deal with the gambit MU

I don’t see anything here that immediately takes it out

I’m thinking maybe drop Hatt> Tusk as it can improve the gambit MU

Or like what memester said running will o can help with that too

[elder knoll]

🤔

Makes sense

Tusk helps with breaking power as well

[nocturne sable]

Yea you can run offensive tusk

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/7aa9862add608450

anything i can do to improve my kingambit matchup

[north nimbus]

Needs to find a way to fit a zama, Corv, tusk in there tbh

[low phoenix]

do you know any recommendations

id like to keep serp if possible but idk which mon to change

[nocturne sable]

Me thinks tink can be dropped

[low phoenix]

who sets rocks then

[north nimbus]

Not only that but ival and kyurem mu does worsen

[nocturne sable]

Does rotom not have rocks

[low phoenix]

no

[north nimbus]

No

[low phoenix]

i had molt over wash before

[nocturne sable]

Oh shoot I thought it did, my fault

[low phoenix]

but

molt dies the moment its boots gets removed

and i cant slot in tusk

[nocturne sable]

Then slot in ole reliable zama

[low phoenix]

the issue is

i dont know which mon to slot out

cuz all mons have important roles on my team

[north nimbus]

Over washer makes the most sense but now what’s bothering me is how annoying woger looks and to some extent eq is free click every second

Either way you swap out a Mon you lose something crucial / beneficial that flows the structure

But the issue is not being boned by major headaches then

[nocturne sable]

Tera dragon corv?

[low phoenix]

dont like tera dragon corv as my sole gambit/pon check

tera hog and corv gets worn down each switchin

[north nimbus]

Secondary endurance would be nice but how can you fit that without cutting something else

[nocturne sable]

I mean tbf for gambit part tink can help in that aspect with encore

[north nimbus]

Then again

Feels like Id press Corv would actually be beneficial here

Just no defog

cause the next best thing to come in mind is molt which even that relies on Tera to fight woger

[low phoenix]

Over wash I’m guessing?

[north nimbus]

Yeah

Gives u ground immunity answer, answer to pecha, gambit, woger, etc

[low phoenix]

Then I’m worried about cinderace

[north nimbus]

There you go that’s the fire type I was thinking

[low phoenix]

Cinderace makes progress on 5/6 of my team

[north nimbus]

You might need to cut another Mon cause there’s no way to fit everything you need here without being super boned by well everything

[low phoenix]

Rip

[north nimbus]

Cause something like cm prima also would be nice cause stall mu looks barely doable

[low phoenix]

What item on prim?

I was going for bootspam on my team

Not sure if cm prim works on more balance structures

Or do I have to throw away serp entirely 😦

[north nimbus]

Maybe…

Cause like I understand what your going for

But your also someway going to be vulnerable unless you do a sit of different breakers

Or maybe we can do something as simple as dnite > weav, and Corv > wash, but you do have a less reliable knocker then hmmm

[hasty otter]

https://pokepast.es/2ef929dead81e1ce everything can be changed but raging bolt any ideas and opinions welcome and encouaged!

[north nimbus]

We rate completed teams, so set context would be ideal to see what team style you were aiming for

[hasty otter]

HO or should BO if that fits raging bolts style

But HO preferred

[nocturne sable]

Gterrain bolt is not bad

This is looking like BO tho

[hasty otter]

Okay would you say its worth building BO rn compared to HO?

[north nimbus]

The Mons at least look more leading towards Bo, but that’s why we need complete sets on every Mon for better context what you are trying to go for

[hasty otter]

https://pokepast.es/0f5fa15a6ba6002c Finished sets anything I'm too weak to threat/archetype??

[north nimbus]

Not a bad start, you prob should go with Tera grass on molt to help bolt cover woger, you could really use a rocker and gking > Rillaboom, could consider specs bolt for an immediate breaker and strong pivot

[hasty otter]

Okay and should I also remove gold for tusk for the cinderace matchup and for removal?

[north nimbus]

Yeah

Also helps with opposing gambit

[hasty otter]

Okay let me cook rq before I add gking im not opposed to removing rilla for the goat

[hasty otter]

Right should I make him both the rocker and spinner tho?

[north nimbus]

Show me an updated squad just to make sure I’m keeping track of things

[hasty otter]

doing it rn on the bus myb

https://pokepast.es/703b74db028b2d9f

should i go rocky helmet or tuk or HDB is fine?

[elder knoll]

HDB

It needs the longevity to spin effectively

[north nimbus]

Yeah this look solid would do like gking > rilla and then specs bolt for immediate breaker / additional pivoting to the team

[hasty otter]

Thought so too

[hasty otter]

What moves are a must for gloking ?

[north nimbus]

Just use the standard boots set

[hasty otter]

https://pokepast.es/8512dcc50bf2cc84 I think darkrai has to go Ting Lu sets up 3 on me

Should I try wogerpon?

[nocturne sable]

really?? You can trick with rai on ting Lu’s leftover to cripple it

Then you have tusk to removes the spikes

[hasty otter]

True just gotta make Lord plays 🤦🏿‍♂️

[hasty otter]

Should I try a variant with swords dance booster Ival? Just in case

[nocturne sable]

Depends on what you’re dropping it for

[hasty otter]

Darkrai too many special attackers

[nocturne sable]

If you’re dropping it for rai then speed control becomes too inconsistent

Since booster Val is a one time thing

[hasty otter]

So should I do scarf Val or that’s not a real mon?

[empty verge]

You can slot Zamazenta > Darkrai

That’s good speed control on it’s own

• it benefits from future sight pivoting

Not sure if I’m a fan of specs bolt but go for it if you like it

Me also think your gambit should be faster and give it black glasses but that’s just a suggestion rather than a definitive change

[hasty otter]

Me Neither I think Imma go back to booster

[hasty otter]

Zamazenta @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Dark
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Crunch
• Stone Edge
• Heavy Slam

should i use this zama set?

[empty verge]

Ye

[hasty otter]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2367755351-njo7vdv1quh1ggfo43k16e5hngc9fmqpw

second match with an updated team

[hasty otter]

https://pokepast.es/972b9e460462fd0c Don't be afraid to @ me about anything I can adjust or if It looks fine and I should test more. Thanks to everyone for helping me build my first real team in years. 🙏

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[low phoenix]

raging bolt can be something like ogerpon wellspring/volcanion for some immediate power

and moltres to zapdos for a more robust wogerpon matchup

[north nimbus]

The focus is around raging bolt

[low phoenix]

Oh mb

I didn’t see

[hasty otter]

Yeah I’m learning how to use/ beat raging bolt that’s why I’m using it

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/f122c9e87eaf98b2

[silver river]

Make ting tera fairy 🙏

[gritty lake]

why

[silver river]

Trust 🙏

[gritty lake]

give a valid reason

im thinking about tera ghost lu

for zama and garg

[tacit bluff]

Not bad, but I'd probably put a sturdier spinblocker than pult

You rely a lot on hazards to get stuff done and you don't really have much in the way of spinblocking

Alternatively you can make some stuff Tera ghost but that's really only valuable in a pinch

Although if you're not struggling with keeping hazards up then you can carry on with this

It just depends how you feel it's been going for you

[gritty lake]

Haven't tried it yet

But

Pult is also my speed control

Contributes to my anti wellspring efforts

And uturn is rlly good for hstack obv

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/645f6d594df07771 im pretty happy with this team rn, but would like to work out some small issues in it. is this the best gliscor set to run? also im really struggling against sun, how do i work around it?

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[low phoenix]

aint bad but sd gliscor is seen more on bulkier teams that wear down the opponent over time via hazards

its not a ho mon unless it has something to support it greatly like webs or screens

you should change scor to a suicide lead like hamurott so your team becomes a proper ho

as for sun nothing much you can do tbh just limit the opportunities they have to break you

having more speed control helps too like iron valiant

[gritty lake]

There's a funny land shark for all ur ho ground needs

[low phoenix]

garchomp is more niche

[hot dome]

if you want a ho ground tusk is always right there

actually does things as well

[north nimbus]

But can tusk scale shoot boost sweep

[tacit bluff]

It can't but neither can garchomp because that set is mid 🔥

[low phoenix]

i think ive seen some ppl in tours use a lead tusk set with booster energy taunt endeavor rocks rapid spin

just saying

standard lead hamurott + tusk is what i recommend tho

[north nimbus]

Hstack ho is back

Interesting

[hot dome]

idk why you're running 4 attack zama on ho it doesn't really have the power for a proper ho team

I would recommend dropping it for valiant, like memester said

Also, you're running full physical kyurem so you shouldn't be running a hasty nature

[sacred delta]

which set?

[hot dome]

Mixed or physical

[queen saddle]

That’s what I use, best tera imo.

[hot dome]

skarm is way too passive for what is otherwise a bo team

and if this was going for balance instead your ways of handling hazard removal are extremely poor

you can and probably should pivot this to a bo team, drop skarm for dragonite as an offensive cleaner and ddance sweeper, and its probably worth replacing gking with av prim to threaten ting lu

[placid light]

what does av mean

oh assualt vest

[pseudo haven]

https://pokepast.es/679a654706019131

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[pseudo haven]

Went into the oven for this one

honestly, for having 3 ice weaknesses, the specs kyurem/weavile MU is not that bad!

at least I hope

[tacit bluff]

Hmmmm

This is not bad

But your speed control is lacking hard

[pseudo haven]

yeahhh

Thunder wave tinkaton probably isn’t enough

thing is, I can’t add a scarfer so do I just go zamazenta?

[tacit bluff]

Normally I would say scarfrai but yeah no hazard control is dicey

Zama its probably ur best bet

[pseudo haven]

Okkkk

i love that I’m getting better at building tho 🥹

[tacit bluff]

Because otherwise a boosted dnite looks at this team like

Yum yum

[pseudo haven]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-dennis-amp-dennis-duke-durag-duke-gif-24410540

[tacit bluff]

Esp encore

It can just lock you into smth stupid

[pseudo haven]

so do I go ice fang zama?

or is stone edge good enough

[tacit bluff]

Either one works

Maybe over darkrai?

[pseudo haven]

yeah that seems to be the best

[tacit bluff]

Wisp is cool and all but you have sinis with strength sap so ur not losing out on too much

[pseudo haven]

darkrai was like the 3rd mon I put into the builder so I didn’t know I would have 2 other knockoffers

alright thank u!!!!!

my teambuilding is finally starting to uptick

[tacit bluff]

Yeah this is p solid

[pseudo haven]

❤️

[tacit bluff]

Normally I'd stack more pivots but I think you're fine

Like rocks Lando but tink does a lot for you here

[gritty lake]

But then I won't have a fairy resist and lose one of my gambit answers

ig I'll try it out tho

[round portal]

https://pokepast.es/a37a51d7f78c419e i feel like heatran isnt pulling its weight here and i need a kyurem resist, any ideas?

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[low phoenix]

heatran aint really it in a ting lu meta but i think it can work in g terrain

[round portal]

ye

maybe zama?

[gritty lake]

The goat fell off 💔💔

[round portal]

heatran my beloved 😔

[low phoenix]

i think replace dragapult with something like gholdengo

since hawlucha is your speed control

[round portal]

like a recover t-wave dengo?

[low phoenix]

i think standard offensive works

[round portal]

and then what would i switch heatran for

[low phoenix]

Do u want to keep heatran?

Cuz I said it could work in a grassy terrain team

[round portal]

i need a kyu resist tho

[low phoenix]

Yea I recommended change dragapult to gholdengo

With air balloon

[round portal]

ohh

ok

my mind went blank for a sec lol

[low phoenix]

You’re an offensive team you’re not supposed to have a robust defensive answer to everything

[north nimbus]

Me thinks this should be Tera poison tusk instead of steel since you resist a lot more stuff with poison that would otherwise force you out come to steel

[round portal]

that sounds good :D ty

[drowsy scarab]

https://pokepast.es/f5465439f480e063 ts is so weak to ice but its so fun 🙏

[nocturne sable]

Bro is cooked vs Kyurem 😭😭😭💔

[drowsy scarab]

fr

the only bad matchups ive been having while testing were sun teams and kyu

which isnt very good things to be weak to

[nocturne sable]

Okay but real talk enam only really fits on offense teams

[drowsy scarab]

idk it works kinda well

like i just pivot to enam and get a kill on most mons

[nocturne sable]

If you want to commit to offense Me thinks air balloon dengo and AV prim would be good for this team and would help with said matchups you are weak too

Also that tusk set is kinda wack tbh run max speed and drop body press>>coverage of your choice

You want to be outspeeding stuff like raging bolt

[north nimbus]

I think there idea was trying to go for a bo type squad here hence wanting defensive tusk, tho yeah you generally go max speed tho fwiw like quaq said you would normally see enam in more offensive structures

[drowsy scarab]

idk i just dont know what i'd swap out

because everything on the team feels useful

idk OU is weird im a natdex otp 😭

[north nimbus]

First half of the squad looks justifiable might even want to consider cm enam, latter half not so much

[drowsy scarab]

scarf meow is good

helps a lot

[north nimbus]

Ehh it’s alright at best there’s just a lot more reliable speed control options that help with more stuff for are just as threatening

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/32bf64e85a1ef7b6 kek

[round portal]

weavile 6-0 😭

[north nimbus]

Ngl dnite looks a lot better and promising here then chomp, this honestly would appreciate iron moth in here as well

[gritty lake]

😔

[north nimbus]

Yeah truthfully the squad is solid , rocks deoxys speed , bulk up tusk > treads should be fine

Tho if you feel tspikes (which generally are) be a pain, you might consider dropping gambit for iron moth

[gritty lake]

do i get to keep chomp then

[north nimbus]

Oh yeah

That should be a dnite

lol

[gritty lake]

😔

ok

[north nimbus]

I understand ur ambition in wanting to make chomp work tho it just faces steep completion to be justified over more reliable stuff like dnite, tusk, etc

[hot dome]

Chomp is just ass

[gritty lake]

hopefully next gen is better 😔

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/b04fae4dc74c0987 just put this team together, not exactly sure about a couple things. is spikes gliscor any good, havent used it before. Is dozo too slow and bulky for this team or is it fine? and is my lack of hazard removal a problem, with 2 boots mons, tspikes control, etc i havent run into huge problems but that might just be low ladder.

[north nimbus]

Feel alien the main issue with this team is. It sure waht it wants to be, you got balance mons, bo mons, offense mons, and stall mons, like its constricted in what it wants to do with no general flow or idea

[sacred delta]

Anything i can get out of it or better to scrap it and start again?

[elder knoll]

Scrap it

more effort than it’s worth salvaging

[north nimbus]

Yeah better to start over like mention, but a free give away is something like dozo is very useless in any structure that isn’t stall

[arctic frigate]

isnt dozo used in that blimax team

[hot dome]

just because a mon makes an occasional appearance on a gimmick team does not mean its suddenly an easy slot for all teams of that style

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/98dcff26f0dba6bd

Another heat paste by me but this time with specs Ghold

[low phoenix]

I tried chomp

It’s bad

Ting Lu is bette as a hazard setter

And dragonite as a sweeper

The only thing chomp does better than dnite is break bulky structures better with its life orb sd set

[elder knoll]

Dozo if non used on stall is a specially defensive win con

you basically use it by killing the things that can threaten it

and then having it setup
It’s only really used on fat teams outside of stall

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/639e76ea795200aa

Here is my chomp team if you’re still interested

[low phoenix]

^

[north nimbus]

This looks solid tho me thinks tho zama and tusk in the same team is a bit redundant me thinks

Like I understand why tho since you are going for a more boots spam style why not just make this sd gliscor and rocks garg

[low phoenix]

Not bootspam more bulky offense

[north nimbus]

Or drop zama for a different speed control me thinks

Just generally those clashing roles is what sticks out cause everything else looks good

[low phoenix]

M

Hmm

What speed control do u think?

Cuz I need a soft wogerpon check at least

And if I make it bootspam I need to drop wogerpon

And prob pivot to hazard stack which isn’t what I’m looking for

[north nimbus]

Hmm speed control that covers that is a bit tricky, cause the closest thing coming to mind would be pult

[low phoenix]

Then I have 2 ghosts and I become kinda weak to rai

[north nimbus]

Exactly

That’s why it’s weird having zama and tusk in the same squad since they both full fill similar roles albeit having favorable matchups and purpose against certain things

Second closest thing coming to mind ditching zama would be scarf rai

[low phoenix]

didnt that old sample team have tusk + zama?

i thought it would be fine to include both

https://pokepast.es/af25fed7fb99cdad

i feel like tusk and zama dont overlap completely

[north nimbus]

I mean

[low phoenix]

like zama is your source of speed and immediate power while tusk is your spinner/rocker

[north nimbus]

It’s probably useable tho then again prob had both for better endurance vs roaring moon when it was around

And with that gone no need to overlap stuff especially since you can flex around spot in what you need

[low phoenix]

do u think dragonite could work?

[north nimbus]

Dragonite as your speed control ?

[low phoenix]

e speed

still need to check wogerpon

i thought about zapdos > molt but currently i like it being a second fairy resist + valiant check

[north nimbus]

If you feel comfortable with that then sure, wouldn’t rely on just a single prio user for speed control me thinks but does flow with the team just as good

Na u need molt here cause then offensive fairies have a field day

[low phoenix]

when you get to that level of teambuilding that you know how to build around niche sets but struggle with trying to fill holes in your team so you just route back to standard sets...

[north nimbus]

True !!

annoying but yeah sometimes you just gotta find a Mon that you can afford to trade to make the structure / niche set to work better

[stone sierra]

Isn’t there a preset that’s basically the same thing

[low phoenix]

Huh

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/66387de2b51f2d16

sample team

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[stone sierra]

oh gdi the bot pinged over a repost

😭

[empty verge]

You good lol

[low phoenix]

hmm

looks like a coincidence lol

[stray lodge]

Here's my SV OU Sunny Day Team featuring Hisuian Lilligant. Is there anything I need to change to make it better?: https://pokepast.es/739816b8affeebd2

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[trail whale]

It's way too slow for a sun team with Ting-Lu and Clodsire, no hazard removal sucks even more with this, and Exeggutor is probably just straight up bad

Would need to pretty much be overhauled its good to take a look at sun teams that did well

[stray lodge]

@trail whale What other Pokemon would you recommend I put into the team?

[trail whale]

Raging Bolt, Great Tusk, Hatterene/Cinderace, and Kingambit are some good Pokemon for your sun

[stray lodge]

@trail whale Okay, I'll keep those in mind. Thanks.

[round portal]

this suggestion is cooking 🔥

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[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/486aa19b6bd90021 pech over zap be rlly good?

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[tacit bluff]

Hmmm

Well

You'd have no ground immunity and idk if I like that

But the Ogerpon MU isn't great

[north nimbus]

Maybe dnite > zappy

[tacit bluff]

Yeah I second that

Was gonna say gliscor could work too

But that's like

Not a waterpon answer lol

[north nimbus]

Prob with roost and then make this toxic gking to handle raging bolt better

[north nimbus]

Ye

[tacit bluff]

Kyurem can also work methinks

But I like dnite more

Gets more switchins

[north nimbus]

Kyurem means eq is spammable

[tacit bluff]

Ye

[north nimbus]

Enam is not really a reliable flyer to take hits

[tacit bluff]

Ig they have wogerpon

In a pinch

[north nimbus]

Dnite is good fwiw

[tacit bluff]

Aside from that tho this is fine

[north nimbus]

You cover woger offensive fires and friends

Zama might be a lil annoying tho, but winnable

[tacit bluff]

Tera ghost kingambit can bail you out

So can enam in a pinch

It's the all out attacker one that's the scarier one here

[north nimbus]

Yeah was thinking but then wisp pult also came to mind as another issue

[tacit bluff]

Oh true

No special attackers aside from enam

Scarfrai is an option but two scarf users is a bit, meh

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/b096daa19d69f25e wanted to try something with sd scor

[hot dome]

sd scor functions best on a bulkier team with hazard stacking, which this is not

this team also can't break phys def mons asyour only spattackers are a scarf rai and gking, while your phys attackers are dnite and tusk

[gritty lake]

Mhm

Right

[hot dome]

i would suggest dropping sd scor for another mon, but since you want to keep sd scor, i would recommend scrapping the team entirely and pivoting to a bulkier core

[north nimbus]

I think it’s definitely salvageable

[hot dome]

ie the sample team with sd scor has double hazard ting lu

[hot dome]

eh imo not really but if you wanna take a crack at it go ahead

[gritty lake]

Oh yea, i can finally use the samples now that I'm not using chomp

[north nimbus]

Just literally do double hazard ting Lu > tink, zama 3 attacks roar > tusk, np darkrai rai here, and then some kinda of offensive utility dnite > dd

Might prob want toxic gking

[elder knoll]

mmm more effort than it's worth though tbh

minimum 3 mon change here I think

[hot dome]

kinda loses to corv hard then, no?

[brisk solar]

https://pokepast.es/7c788c512271cb5e I started learning about competitive Pokemon yesterday, I put together this team today and I wanted opinions!

[north nimbus]

Hmm

Could do flame gking then

[hot dome]

still struggles hard into corv then just not outright 6-0ed

[north nimbus]

Or even just special dnitr

But then again

[hot dome]

special dnite is insane

[elder knoll]

mixed dnite is a real set

special is like

[north nimbus]

That same argument can be said for a lot of samples

[elder knoll]

a rain exclusive

[hot dome]

a ghold somewhere could be pretty good

[north nimbus]

It’s annoying

But def not impossible

[hot dome]

esp for kyurem as well

[elder knoll]

spikes somewhere would also be nice

[hot dome]

i mean taking the sd scor sample it has zapdos + primarina + ghold

[north nimbus]

There’s like

More in the bottom lol

Just a bunch of squads where Corv just profits freely doesn’t mean the team is bad

[hot dome]

yes, and it has opposing corv + the longevity of a balance team to give up some progress to corv

the issue is this is a bo team so it can't afford to blank into corv as hard

also hellom sample has pecha + crown

literally just slap a ghold somewhere solves like 50% of problems

[north nimbus]

Cause pecha and crown totally doing something vs Corv ..

[hot dome]

specs crown folds corv in two yes

[north nimbus]

By only clicking volt switch …

[elder knoll]

corv is never staying in on crown

lol

[north nimbus]

Most likely over rai then

[hot dome]

and yall just ignoring my points

my point is this is bo its all about the offense it can't afford for all its attackers bar darkrai to just get shit on by corv

balance doesnt mind it can wear down the corv

[elder knoll]

SD scor barely even benefits this structure ngl

if im being honest

[north nimbus]

It did but since the focus was Scor you had to make a few necessary changes to make it more sense

Then again the person asking for the team is already gone

[elder knoll]

rip

[gritty lake]

When I can finally use samples, I hv no fear :D

[brisk solar]

Can someone give their opinion, pls?