#SV OU Rates

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elder knoll
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it never was good

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let’s be fr

low phoenix
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also these mons just dont synergize with each other very well

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especially iron moth

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT
stone sierra
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#1297721195604611163 message can you look at this? I checked with some other people and nobody pointed out any glaring flaws other than the team is kinda slow

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But I just want to make sure

nocturne sable
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It was knock off copium

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Worked decently cuz mons like meow were more common then

round portal
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would t-bolt work better to break corv?

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just curious

gritty lake
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Every mon on the team threatens corv to some extent

round portal
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fair enough, i just have extreme beef with corv haha

low phoenix
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Interesting bulky offense

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What is your plan Vs a boosted darkrai

round portal
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hydrapple got that math equation evs

stone sierra
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Resists or is immune to all the stuff dark normal runs

round portal
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would play rough be good on that team to countering rai better?

low phoenix
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i feel like something like band zama breaks this team easily

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and tink is worn down pretty easily over longer games

low phoenix
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Tinkatons utility movepool is too important to fit plsy rough

stone sierra
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Is it common?

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I thought iron defense corv would be good

round portal
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i meant over gigaton hammer

low phoenix
stone sierra
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So any glaring flaws I need to fix or?

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I’m not sure abt the teras

elder knoll
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Zama outpaces everything

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I’d think about a scarf Krai or something so you have a revenge killer

stone sierra
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I thought t wave tink and ace would be good enough

elder knoll
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Ace is fast but not that fast

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If you take a look at the sample teams

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and the Kyu Glowking sample

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you’ll notice they have a scarf Krai

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which helps with revenge killing stuff like booster speed Valiant

nocturne sable
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Wait I just realized your max spdef corv

elder knoll
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lol that’s a viable set

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very uncommon though

stone sierra
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I thought it would be good bc id

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Ig max defense would be better for zama?

nocturne sable
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No it just caught me by surprised

elder knoll
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I mean it’s probably fine

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cause your apple is really fat

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you might want a different Tera though

stone sierra
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Like? Steel covers the ice+poison +dragon weakness

elder knoll
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I like Ghost as an emergency check to Zama

stone sierra
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Wouldn’t that be better on garg

nocturne sable
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Hydrapple can tho

stone sierra
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Does Draco ohko?

nocturne sable
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Hydrapple hits like a truck so it probably shouldn’t have. A problem KOing Zama

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After a boost

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Ofc

upper otter
regal ginkgoBOT
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upper otter
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been messing around with this team and I've grown to love it

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scarf Latios in particular has become a recent favorite of mine

stone sierra
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That’s a whole lot of ice weakness

upper otter
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yeah I guess you're right about Ices

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what fix do you have in mind?

stone sierra
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Idk that’s just my observation

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I’m not good at fixing teams

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I come here all the time lol

upper otter
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Fair enough

hot dome
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This team is a very weird mix between BO and Balance, what style did you have in mind?

stone sierra
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Oh clod is here

upper otter
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Is style really the thing to focus on here? Cause I'm not really looking to "best embody an archetype" moreso just have the best team this can be

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I guess Balance but like

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I feel like that's not the way one should approach teambuilding

hot dome
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Style should always be how one approaches team building lol

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You need to have a general idea of how your team is going to operate and what pieces you need to fill in

upper otter
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No I know that but that's knowing your team's operation and win conditions and its flaws

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not "Is my team a hyper offense or not"

hot dome
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You should know what style generally your team is through what your win cons and how it plays

upper otter
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No I know what style my team is and all that

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I'm just wondering why "Is this a Bulky Offense or a Balance team" is a factor in this

hot dome
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Because it’s not clear to me and that means you didn’t build it well

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Because you mixed BO and Balance mons that don’t synergies well together

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And thus your team has an awkward split identity

upper otter
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Ok well what mons don't synergize well together here

hot dome
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You have hazard stack but one (middling) knocker, a balance team with a weak defensive and offensive core, and some weird picks (idk why scarf Latios here)

hot dome
upper otter
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Skarm is there for Ogerpon-W

hot dome
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Doesn’t mean it’s doing a good job

upper otter
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which otherwise my team doesn't have a switch-in for

hot dome
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Besides Zapdos is right there

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Skarm doesn’t beat Ogerpon anyways

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You also have a Latios?

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Idk why that’s not your wogerpon check instead

upper otter
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because wogerpon can carry knock off

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that calc has bold on skarm hold up

hot dome
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Ogerpon can wear down Skarm incredibly easily + outright beat it with SD

upper otter
gritty lake
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Ogerpon antics

upper otter
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Skarm switches in and Brave Birds, and even if it Swords Dances on the switch and Skarm only gets one move in that's KO range for Latios

low phoenix
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Skarm checks ogerpon but DO NOT use it as your sole answer

upper otter
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it's not

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that's why I have Zapdos

gritty lake
hot dome
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Also skarm just doesn’t fit here in general

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Like I said this isn’t bulky enough nor hazard stacking enough to be a balance team

upper otter
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I still don't get what the focus on having a clean archetype to fit in is here

gritty lake
upper otter
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it's not like good teams only ever fit exactly into "Hyper Offense. Stall. Balance" with no in-between
It's a gradient

hot dome
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Because this synergy is poor

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And doesn’t work

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And your team has gaping holes because of it

upper otter
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You still haven't told me how the synergy is poor other than "Because you're not an archetype"

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that's what I'm asking questions about

hot dome
upper otter
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the knock off I can understand

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that's a good observation and I thank you for it

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but what makes it weak defensively? Or offensively? What am I not breaking

hot dome
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most defensive teams and a lot of offensive teams

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your physical threats are weak and the only real power you have on this team is sd gambit which is notoriously bad without support

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your defensive walls don't have reliable ways to stop sweepers especially specially offensive sweepres

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you have a poor mu into spattack threats in general

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specs kyurem blows this team up

upper otter
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Ok let's start there then

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what can I do to help against offensive sweepers

hot dome
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drop skarm pivot to a bo team

upper otter
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who would you replace it with and how would that help

low phoenix
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Skarm only fits on hazard stack teams because of its passivity

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You need immediate breaking power

upper otter
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Doesn't that just change my matchup with Wogerpon itself to relying on a Wogerpon vs Wogerpon?

hot dome
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welp in the middle of my changes i just realized i made a sample team adjacent teams instead so ill just give you it ig

low phoenix
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You Can switch latios to pult

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Or just use clods sample team

hot dome
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https://pokepast.es/b92fce744613c01d
Tldr: Skarm for Tinkaton for Rocker + free up slot on Garg + Kyurem soft check
Latios for Pult for more reliable speed control + better mu in general
Gambit for Keldeo for offensive power

low phoenix
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I will never understand specs keldeo

hot dome
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big damage number

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much wow

upper otter
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specs keldeo???

hot dome
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(2hkos every spdef wall)

low phoenix
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Oh

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Why isn’t it a sample set

hot dome
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probably cuz it hasn't seen much usage outside this team

gritty lake
hot dome
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that or we're just behind

upper otter
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I'm just a lil in the dark I've never heard of this tech before

hot dome
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specs keldeo goes crazy if you pilot it well tho

upper otter
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but I'm more than down to give it a shot

hot dome
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2hkos av gking with tera + rocks

low phoenix
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Crazy

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I haven’t played much gen9ou

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Recently

hot dome
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its a clicker mon

low phoenix
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Been playing 35pokes

hot dome
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you click button watch number go up, avoid wogerpon at all cost and things go well

low phoenix
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Ic

upper otter
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This team seems like a fix to a lot of the issues of my old one but I gotta question the usage of no knock off

hot dome
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you aren't hazard stack doesn't matter

upper otter
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Definitely a lot safer into Kyurem though

low phoenix
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Change thunder wave on Tink to knock off if you want

hot dome
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no you need twave that move is so useful

upper otter
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twave is on zapdos too

hot dome
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  • saves your mu into valiant which can be troublesome
upper otter
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I wouldn't consider it otherwise

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but it's already on Dos

low phoenix
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Para is broken

hot dome
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you need twave for valiant mu

upper otter
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heck if it wasn't on Dos already I would've said "Aight then I'll drop Will-o-wisp on Pult"

hot dome
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  • general punish on mons
upper otter
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I wasn't even gonna consider using this without twave

hot dome
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knock is good on hstack

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but this isn't hstack

upper otter
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it's good on everything really

hot dome
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not really

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a lot of mons this gen operate without their items fine

upper otter
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that's why I questioned why we were leaving it at home

hot dome
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some of them even eat their item upon entering the field

upper otter
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yeah that's fair

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Protosynthesis is a mf

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I'll give Clod's team a try but I will continue tweaking

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thanks for the advice

hot dome
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don't post the team here again btw/with only minor changes since the advice would be the same

upper otter
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wasn't my plan, chief 🫡

alpine furnace
magic walrus
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Let’s see

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secret sword yes but then no

compact onyx
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Ummm, hello. I'm testing a new team for OU. Can anyone rate it?

compact onyx
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nocturne sable
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!gen9ousamples

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vernal light
hot dome
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Like qua said I would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first

hot dome
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Alolan Golem is just as unviable as lycanroc

vernal light
hot dome
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No

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No matter how many funny numbers it can put up A Golem will always suck cuz it’s a one time bomb that can’t even kill reliably due to its electric typing

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It’s not viable, never will be

vernal light
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fair enough, maybe in the lower tiers, but ive used a-golem with success

hot dome
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Low ladder allows for anything to be used

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That is not a good metric

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Like I said, only give advice if you are experienced in the tier

vernal light
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im 1671

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id say im experienced

hot dome
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You are lying as no one has gotten that far

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Stop clogging this channel

vernal light
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i fatfingerd the 2 mb

hot dome
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1671 isn’t that far, especially with the advice you gave

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You recommended they drop one unviable pokemon for another

vernal light
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i mean they could always use bolt

hot dome
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Please learn what is viable in the tier first before giving advice, bad advice is worse than no advice

livid yew
vernal light
low phoenix
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cuz iron moth generally best fits on hyper offense

low phoenix
vernal light
low phoenix
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iron moth is not a balance mon

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id pivot to bulky offense tbh with the mons you have

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yea your electric matchup is suspect id switch iron moth to ting lu for a reliable ghost and electric switch in

vernal light
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ngl i kinda like lu, plus i can hazzard stack too

low phoenix
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hazards stack works too

vernal light
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might swap lokix out for rai

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i need more special attackers

low phoenix
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knock rai is good on hazard stack

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make sure to add a ghost

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like gholdengo sinistcha pecharunt

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to block rapid spin

vernal light
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i have tera ghost ting-lu now tho

low phoenix
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a ghost helps you block rapid spin more reliably

vernal light
low phoenix
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keep zam

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you need the speed control

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and kingambit check

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dont use polteageist

vernal light
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i meant sinistcha, i keep forgetting that its a different pokemon

low phoenix
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sinistcha is good

stone sierra
elder knoll
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it’s basically a HO exclusive

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ngl

stone sierra
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Rip

compact onyx
livid yew
stone sierra
round portal
round portal
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nothing here can break corv+blissey+alo

round portal
clear cedar
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broken sparrow
hot dome
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You’re lacking major sun abusers like Wake and Tusk, and you haven’t picked your Tera types

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You seem new to the tier, so I’d recommend using a sample team for now, to learn what’s good and what’s not

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!gen9ousamples

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hot dome
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There’s a sun team, which I would recommend using instead of yours

arctic frigate
trail whale
arctic frigate
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Alright many thanks

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What dnite set

trail whale
round portal
broken sparrow
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Yeah I was thinking of doing a different iron val set for that

round portal
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maybe adding tbolt? but the lando set def needs to be changed

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usually you dont add special investment to lando even when running earth power as it would prefer the hp evs 90% of the time

broken sparrow
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That's true, I figured it would want it bc of not running CM

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Perhaps I was mistaken

dusty wadi
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https://pokepast.es/980247d002de6ce6 ive been playing with this team for quite a while and its working well but i want a second pair of eyes to tell me if i should change something around

round portal
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probably not the biggest concern but this team seems to have a really bad matchup against hawlucha

dusty wadi
round portal
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Ye not the biggest concern like I said

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Dragonite being hp invested over speed seems strange though for a hyper offence

tepid hazel
dusty wadi
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Really?

tepid hazel
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but yes its not super common

dusty wadi
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I have yet to see one yet in ou

tepid hazel
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i missed a zero

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lol

dusty wadi
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Its still giving me a 404

tepid hazel
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im bad

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sh

pseudo haven
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pseudo haven
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girlboss gaslight set up spikes 😌

pseudo haven
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my first iteration of a bulky offense team! It’s pretty terrible but I wanted to learn how to teambuild

misty basin
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This seems much more like balance than BO but that's ok

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Odd choice for a Cinderace set

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Otherwise this seems decently structured

plain hamlet
round portal
plain hamlet
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I forgot about corv fuuuuck

round portal
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maybe tera ghost gambit to break through corv if you like your team rn to break corv

hot dome
hot dome
silver river
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silver river
plain hamlet
stone sierra
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“Check samples” in
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(You should tho)

hot dome
# plain hamlet trying some kinda offense build though I've probably made some poor picks. If th...

Meowscarada just doesn't fit here in general, Hamurott and Glimmora compete for the HO lead spot and your team isn't structured for the hazard stack HO that would fit both
I would recommend pivoting to a full HO team, you've got a decent foundation with Zama Gambit Valiant you just need to round it out
Drop Meowscarada, Hamurott, and Glimmora, Glimmora as a lead has been unreliable lately while the other two don't fit for the above reasons, I would pick Deo-S as your lead
To shore up your Fairy weakness (especially Valiant), run Iron Moth (Booster Speed), run a set without Tera Blast as Gambit is already using it
Lastly, I would run CM Primarina in your last slot as another spattacker breaker that has a decent MU into fairies, tho AV is fine as well

compact onyx
livid yew
arctic frigate
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a meowscarada switch in

nocturne sable
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Your only source of breaking power is hazard weak and has barely any hazard support

livid yew
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isn't valiant a breaker ?

nocturne sable
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And valiant is also prone to hazards

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Dnite just kinda wins against this team

livid yew
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so I need to change teams completely

arctic frigate
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hazard stack very fun!

wide girder
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low phoenix
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kommo o and meowscarada are kinda odd on this team

wide girder
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I did the best I could but I feel like I'm doing everything wrong. I thought Kommo-o could be good. That he had potential. For Meowscadara, I had no idea. Sorry if I messed up.

arctic frigate
silver river
stone sierra
gritty lake
silver river
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It's bulky offence

stone sierra
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2 4x ice weaknesses

placid light
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nocturne sable
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I would recommend dropping those and pivoting towards hazard stack

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Skarm-ting Lu-pult can be a starting point

pseudo haven
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my favorite girlie on hazardstack!

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I didn’t add sinistcha or something because I have more means of pressuring tusk than I do of pressuring corv

nocturne sable
pseudo haven
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true but I wanted setup with darkrai

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although, I’m not entirely sure how much I need it

nocturne sable
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I mean on hstack knock rai would be more ideal

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You already have a strong set up sweeper in dnite

pseudo haven
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i mean, dragonite has setup so it’s not like I’m totally lacking

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yeahhh maybe I should run knock off will o wisp

nocturne sable
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Also I would recommend you get a knock absorber

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Glowking is kinda redundant here I would drop it for something like skarm

pseudo haven
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i see

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how does specs kyurem do vs the team without glowking?

nocturne sable
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You can play around it with air ballon dengo

pseudo haven
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okk

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thank you!!!

gritty lake
gritty lake
silver river
gritty lake
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Gets [insert no.]-0ed by iron press zama

placid light
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i looked into it some and its probably best i make it a stall team

silver river
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And there's scarf rai to outspeed and kill when it gets low enough.

placid light
gritty lake
nocturne sable
nocturne sable
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gritty lake
tacit bluff
sterile jay
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anything i could change out of this team ?

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playing at 1550 elo rn so i think its not terrible atleast

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i changed the tera of heatran for fairy also

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idk if i should run tera blast or will o wisp tho

hot dome
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Your fairy mu is really bad

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Not really sure what Weavile is doing here but I would recommend swapping them for a pecharunt, shifting heatran over to spdef

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Not the biggest fan of valiant here either, and you’re missing hawlucha

sterile jay
hot dome
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And you should have some power on this team that isn’t reliable on one time use items/setup sweepers

sterile jay
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but those are good changes honestly

hot dome
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One of terrain’s biggest perks is Hawlucha

sterile jay
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i didnt really like it while testing same as why hatterene is not here

hot dome
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Hm, really? Usually Lucha is one of the most reliable

sterile jay
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but i might give it another shot honestly

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its just that 92 attack doesnt feel that helpful honestly

north nimbus
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Stats doesn’t mean a Mon is good or not

gritty lake
hot dome
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Lucha is a very valuable piece of speed control that has good mus into most phys def threats of the tier

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Really only struggling against the legendary birds and Dozo, but the former can be beat with Tera and the latter just beats all anyways

gritty lake
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also the fact that koko isnt in this gen

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u can go stone edge 4th

sterile jay
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yeah your right imma give ita go over either weavile or valiant

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also investing more on heatran spdf

gritty lake
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instead of the pjab vs sedge bs we hv to deal with in ss and sm 😭

hot dome
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Run pecha over Weavile you need a mon that can beat fairies

north nimbus
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Tbf I do think lucha > iron Val is a lot better

sterile jay
hot dome
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And yeah Lucha creeps Val’s spot anyways and vice versa

sterile jay
north nimbus
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Especially if lucha doesn’t clean

hot dome
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Like actually just cleans house 6-0 rn

north nimbus
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No yeah I agree but I’m saying looking into the other mons

hot dome
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He has bolt

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And tusk

sterile jay
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true true

hot dome
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(Though you might want to make tusk booster attack for the extra power)

sterile jay
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but honestly might valiant be a good run over weavile instead ?

hot dome
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Up to you tho booster speed nice

hot dome
sterile jay
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i mean it alreadt threatens itself with moonblast

hot dome
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Like I said you need pecha

hot dome
north nimbus
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Was thinking amongst the line like lucha weav rilla tusk pecha Tran

sterile jay
north nimbus
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something’s amongst those line

hot dome
sterile jay
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yeah its best to kick off weavile of the team

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kinda sad tho he is an amazing mon either way lmao

north nimbus
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Yeah it was either slashing Tran or bolt

hot dome
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Maybe gking over tran Kyurem over bolt rocks on tusk booster attack? Or something

stone sierra
north nimbus
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That

sterile jay
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i mean weavile can run defog

hot dome
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But atp we’ve changed like 6 mons

north nimbus
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Yeah

sterile jay
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hawlucha im ean

hot dome
north nimbus
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Yea

sterile jay
hot dome
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For now try the bolt pecha tran tusk rilla lucha

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See how it goes

sterile jay
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his priority plus in general attack on grassy terrain goes insane

north nimbus
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Cause now pult just clicks buttons freely

sterile jay
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tyy both imma go and try if anything i can just change things around again : D

north nimbus
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Oh wait

sterile jay
north nimbus
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Gambit

sterile jay
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i mean maybe gambit over pecharunt ?

hot dome
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Bro

north nimbus
hot dome
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You cannot drop pecha

north nimbus
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Idk if I would call Tran a pult answer

hot dome
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That mon is holding your team together with hopes and prayers

sterile jay
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oh understood

hot dome
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Your fairy mu is actually so bad rn

sterile jay
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or heatran

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wait

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could i run the iron version of tusk maybe ?

hot dome
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Once again none of these are reliable + heatran gets blown up by all the coverage moves they bring

north nimbus
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Definitely should consider gambit at least fwiw then again this can be offensive rocks tusk

hot dome
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Treads is worse don’t bring treads

north nimbus
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Well treads does also help vs raging bolt ngl

hot dome
sterile jay
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honestly tusk is indeed only here to rapid spin

north nimbus
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but tusk is better there tbh

sterile jay
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i couldnt find a best hazard removal user

hot dome
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It’s tusk

north nimbus
hot dome
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Hm drop heatran?

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Actually not that bad

north nimbus
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Gambit helps ghost

hot dome
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Booster attack/lefties tusk utility

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Hmmm

north nimbus
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Decent win con that doesn’t rely on terrain

hot dome
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I like it

sterile jay
north nimbus
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Could use more of tusk as utility tank here

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Already got 3 solid win cons

sterile jay
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i mean heatran with +spa does get kos on a lot of stuff plus the trapping

sterile jay
north nimbus
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You can go a lot of ways with booster attack or lefties, mess around with both items and see which one you enjoy

sterile jay
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ok so something like this right ?

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i am not sure if i should run nasty or deffensive pechu tho

north nimbus
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Not quite

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Should be gambit > Tran, pivot pecha > np, and just use the normal ev spread on the dex for lucha you don’t really need max speed since unburden makes you faster against a lot of thing

sterile jay
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your right i copied the uu paste by mistake lol

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on haw

hot dome
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Read bro

low phoenix
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oh

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nvm

sterile jay
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ok so i made some changes

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tyy btw i am really new to playing ou

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one thing imma miss on the old version of the team tho is destiny bond valiant lmao

north nimbus
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Yeah this is solid not sure if you really need stone edge on lucha but alas

sterile jay
north nimbus
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You have a raging bolt, but better safe then sorry

sterile jay
north nimbus
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Run max attk max speed btw on gambit

sterile jay
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ngl

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pecharunt feels terrible

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like does nothing

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dies

north nimbus
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Thought so

gritty lake
sterile jay
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it just

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too defensive

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doesnt flow well with the team

gritty lake
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There's a move called parting shot I'm sure these guys suggested you to use

sterile jay
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i mean yeah but it still doesnt feel that good you know ?

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the rest or changes are amazing tho

stone sierra
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low phoenix
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also holy hell what are those araq evs for

stone sierra
stone sierra
low phoenix
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post the new team then if you still want someone to take a look

stone sierra
low phoenix
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i still like weavile over bolt or moth

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cuz ting lu everywhere

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you can change knock off on tusk to head smash for the birds

stone sierra
low phoenix
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unreliable answers

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focus miss and ting lu just absorbs the hit/whirlwinds you away

stone sierra
elder knoll
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You lose to t-spikes now

stone sierra
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only 2 relevant mons are affected by them

low phoenix
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swords dance > low kick on weavile and tera ice on great tusk but should be good

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ho doesnt necessarily care about toxic damage

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and glimm leads been falling off

elder knoll
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it does on Bolt if they’re your endgame guy

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since

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you might have to play thunderclap mind games

stone sierra
low phoenix
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weaviles likes sd so it can actually break stuff

stone sierra
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wait do i go adamant or jolly

nocturne sable
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Always jolly

low phoenix
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jolly

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cinderace outspeeding weavile is gross

sterile jay
elder knoll
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isn’t the greatest archetype

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atm

sterile jay
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true but my previous version got me to 1550 now i just got down to 1390 GrookeyDead

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honestly yeah i might go for another archetype

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atleast got fun using it and good enough results

elder knoll
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It’s normal to fluctuate

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like ~200 ELO

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dw

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especially after you peak

sterile jay
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thanks for the encouragement imma keep triying i am just happy hitting 1550 i think its decent for being new to ou lmao

alpine furnace
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I'll probably never be at 1550 so I just play every now and then.

supple sable
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.

stone sierra
elder knoll
stone sierra
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wish mola+dnite feels really strong

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im guessing oger is spikes?

stone sierra
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idt mola should stay atp

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the power gem on ghold is for cinderace

gritty lake
silver river
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low phoenix
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interesting

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your woger matchup is kinda shaky tho

tacit bluff
# gritty lake https://pokepast.es/52cca1747b030a89 tried to do the breaker+sweeper thing with ...

not sure if this is it chief

you have an offensive hazard stack duo in lando and hamurott but then corv for hazard control which can undo all of your progress on that front, corv can work with teams that set hazards but they're typically bulkier teams which can set hazards several times hamurott is a very aggressive spikes setter and doesn't live long enough most of the time to get them up several times over the course of a game

but then the rest of the team leans this balance/bo hybrid with a cleaner in scarf val, but then balance staples with the pivoting defensive core of glowking and corv

garchomp as the sole true sweeper on this team is under a ton of pressure as well, since it really needs scale shot to get anything done speed wise but then it becomes incresingly vulnerable to revenge killing attempts and it can thud into pokes like wellspring without outrage once they come in to rk you

so basically, you're leaning spikes offence and balance at the same time and idk how I feel about it, and garchomp alone can't rly do the job you want it to

low phoenix
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if you want a more consistent zapdos matchup switch rotom wash to zapdos

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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yes

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still looking into the team

hot dome
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didnt i already tell you administrator to run a full offense team with chomp

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because it can't fit anywhere else

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could've sworn i said this already

tacit bluff
low phoenix
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change tusk to boots with ice spinner tera ice

hot dome
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o hey

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i did

gritty lake
gritty lake
hot dome
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dude you literally only have one offenisve threat on this team and its chomp

tacit bluff
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then go full offence

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^

hot dome
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if your team is going to be offensive you need, well, offensive mons lol, hamurott and scarf val aint cutting it

tacit bluff
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glowking and corv are not offence mons

hot dome
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to be frank chomp sucks ass

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and you need to stretch pretty hard to fit him

gritty lake
hot dome
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so run him on ho teams that can support him best/enable him best

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they do not corv is a sink

low phoenix
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not on offense/ho

gritty lake
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Oh

tacit bluff
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its a slow pivot that acts as a defensive piece

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you actively want to avoid slowing the pace down so much

hot dome
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pivots don't sink as much momentum and thus some of the more offensive ones (lando, primarina, pecha) will find their ways on offensive teams

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but like i've already said several times, chomp needs heavy support to perform even decently, and this support needs to be other offensive threats that wear down the many walls and offensive threats that will give chomp a hard time

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this team is not taht

low phoenix
gritty lake
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Will a SM style HO be a good fit for chomp

low phoenix
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hes gotta be in the right team and quite frankly as a hazard setter ting lu is much better in general

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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ting lu is more consistent but hamu is the much more aggressive one

gritty lake
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Chomp+hamu worked for me in natdex

low phoenix
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i mean ting lu is better than chomp in general

gritty lake
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But ig thats because of ferrothorn

low phoenix
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nat dex and ou are completely different metas

gritty lake
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Yes

low phoenix
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one has megas + no tera + z moves the other has tera

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you cant really compare them

hot dome
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this is clogging the thread atp

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this team isn't good, doesn't work, and if you want to run chomp run a full ho team centered around luring in/forcing in its checks and counters and taking them out so chomp can get any value

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vice versa, use chomp as lure for other threats

gritty lake
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Do ho wellsprings run encore to 1v1 dozo

silver river
silver river
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And that physical bulk has come in pretty clutch too

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When that triple axel 3 hits only do like 40%? Serotonin

silver river
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Btw, do you think tera ghost or tera dragon is good on banded pult

tacit bluff
silver river
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A powered up phantom force is nice, but I've also felt like dragon dart would kill a lot more things with tera dragon that they normally would not.
Like araquanid

timid tangle
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sylveon beats it 1v1 tho

silver river
timid tangle
silver river
timid tangle
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oh ok

gritty lake
timid tangle
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idk lol , just tried creating a kyurem that solos stall ?

tacit bluff
silver river
tacit bluff
# timid tangle https://pokepast.es/de1aeb27e2de47c2 bulky offense

yeah this team is just, bizzare

samurott is fine, moltres is ok albeit idk if I'd go with it on bulky offence, but the rest of the team has very odd sets or are not very viable choices

sylveon is bad, ignoring that its incredibly slow having no spa investment leaves it as such a non threat to just about everything, clefable does everything it does but better as a cm attacker.

the kyurem set is also incredibly passive and anti synergy, lefties bulky substitute with scale shot ie a move that drops defence coupled with freeze dry without any attacking investment.

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the rest is fine

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albeit substitute on pon is definitely a choice

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I'd reccomend the samples

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!gen9ousamples

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silver river
tacit bluff
arctic frigate
gritty lake
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chomp doesnt work on webs unfort

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can also try the speed booster lead tusk used in wcop

low phoenix
low phoenix
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If you want to build around offensive chomp

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Id try making a veil screens team

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Seems the best kind of team to help maximize garchomps relative bulk and ability to muscle past walls like pecharunt

gritty lake
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There's no tapu koko :(

low phoenix
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Huh

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I’m talking about alolan ninetails

gritty lake
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Man

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Tails gets stuck on the field often

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Just being able to freeze dry

arctic frigate
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I think with tera stellar its a rlly good closer

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But yeah zapdos is not a bad shout

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But then weavile becomes alot harder

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Ice in general

arctic frigate
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Zama has screens

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Heck even grimsnarl

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Deoxys speed

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broken shard
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ty chatot

arctic frigate
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@low phoenix

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Would moltres over corv be good?

desert pine
nocturne sable
desert pine
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offense

low phoenix
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what does okidogi do in this team?

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not saying its not viable i havent really used him so i dont really know what he usually do

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also weavile is mostly seen on hazard stack teams

stone sierra
gritty lake
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chomp doesnt work on webs, u just autolose to other webs without tusk

stone sierra
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not my team tbf

arctic frigate
low phoenix
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For bo just tusk is enough

arctic frigate
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and if i make it alo for wishpassing

stone sierra
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shadow granite
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How do y'all even teambuild anyways

elder knoll
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then try to build

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test on ladder

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repeat ad infinitum until happy w/ results

paper chasm
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what is energy ball prim for

livid yew
nocturne sable
stone sierra
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Why would I need it? Rocks are there for chip on stuff like Lando or booster mons, maybe break ceru slash. Team isn’t focused on hazards tho

nocturne sable
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Hazard support as in your team loses to Hstack

stone sierra
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Oh

stone sierra
elder knoll
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especially since stuff like mold breaker tink

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and H-Sam

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exist

stone sierra
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ig go corv and?

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i need a bolt answer

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idk what to do for that

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banded pult?

cold cosmos
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@low phoenix

gritty lake
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Does bolt check wellspring long term

low phoenix
low phoenix
cold cosmos
cold cosmos
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raging bolt speedcontrol

low phoenix
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ting lu exists

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and speed control tends to be a zamazenta dragapult scarf darkrai not a cinderace/raging bolt

cold cosmos
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whoa

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that is actually sigma advice

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blimax team doesnt have speedcontrol either

low phoenix
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well

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what happens when a nasty plot darkrai shows up

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just change bolt to band zama or something

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and give knock off to clef over flamethrower

broken shard
low phoenix
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if ogerpon w is still a bitch

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you can change clef into hydrapple

cold cosmos
stone sierra
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Duh

livid yew
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magic walrus
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I think it is better to make shadow ball into hex

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Other than that, ask the RMTs

tacit bluff
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But for other targets yes it would be hex

tacit bluff
# livid yew https://pokepast.es/d90bfc03fa09c17d is this team good

This looks ok, this is very heavy pivotspam and as a result I'd be careful of the spikestack mu if cinderace is your only removal, as you have to play carefully to ensure that spikes don't whittle away at the team before the opposing setter is removed so cinderace can use court change without worry

I do wanna ask what the gameplan is here, your big damage dealers are both choice mons so are you just pivoting to try and get them in safely?

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Cause you also have a bit of a status spam trio with pult defensive cinderace and glowking

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Which some attackers which use hex could take advantage of like gholdengo

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Albeit idt you need gholdengo but i worry a bit for your balance mu as scizor is a tough mon to use in certain matchups over it's fellow banded bug lokix leaving you with specs val as the only breaker, and I already said why I think the spikestack mu is difficult

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Like ting lu feels really scary here barring scizor u turn

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Which I think is pretty telegraphed

livid yew
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for the removal I was thinking about using tusk but idk since it would mean replacing landorus

tacit bluff
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Lando and tusk can absolutely work on the same team

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Although I am curious if the 5 pivots were intentional

livid yew
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yeah 😅

tacit bluff
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Right I see, that's ok! But I do think some of your matchups are a bit too volatile for my liking

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How does great tusk over Lando and then moltres over cinderace sound

livid yew
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will try that

tacit bluff
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Then imo you could go for twave on dragapult

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Instead of wisp

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And toxic on glowking

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You have a triple status trio and toxic glowking gives you a solid way to breakthrough walls

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I think your matchup into offence is fine as is, you could go for something a bit sturdier than scizor

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I think primarina is nice here

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With its calm mind set

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It still ensures you can hit dragons but also matches up nicely into bulkier teams if it's using psychic noise

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And then you could go with dragonite over iron valiant since it does become a bit redundant

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Ddance encore two attacks

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Methinks

livid yew
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okay i'll apply and see thanks a lot

tacit bluff
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No problem

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Heavy duty boots stealth rocks rapid spin defensive tusk btw

livid yew
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ok

tacit bluff
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I forgot to mention that set

You could Alternatively use enamorus over primarina but that's up to you, or keep specs val but replace scizor with dnite

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All alternative options

livid yew
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I'll keep val at the moment but if it doesn't work I'll switch

tacit bluff
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Yeah then you could go with the last option I mentioned

livid yew
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👍

tacit bluff
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Raging bolt might be a bit scary but you have options like toxic on glowking and good Tera coverage for it

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Plus a potential encore from dragonite

livid yew
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doesn't valiant win against raging bolt ?

tacit bluff
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It does just if it's boosted you have to be weary of thunderclap

livid yew
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oh yeah

carmine oak
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help with this hstack team pls

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ty

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i forgot to put rocks on the team haha

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maybe i should replace clef

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also would like to know any other routes to take with the weav zama and clef slots

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i was told this team gets owned by kyu too

nocturne sable
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Although it doesn’t really stop TB cheese unfortunately

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But you have the tools to play around it

carmine oak
#

help with this instead

queen saddle
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stone sierra
silver river
queen saddle
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And the rest just in sp. atk because you still don’t OHKO Alo or Corvi with t-bolt. 😭

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You really need rocks chip and your other teammates to chip for Hoopa to clean.

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Dragapult is nice at chipping and dealing damage to everyone, and iron press Zama has nice speed as well and damage output.

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You really need the defensive pivots for the team to work, ESPECIALLY Alo.

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Alo carries this team like immensely. 💔😭

placid light
stone sierra
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Looks weak to ogerpon

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Your only spin blocker is pult?

placid light
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was considering replacing tusk with gholdengo

narrow crest
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oger farms this

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thinking kyu over val

queen saddle
queen saddle
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Which is the main set I use and plenty others do, and pivot Oger does beat this too.

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I feel like iron defense Zama would beat it along with Hydrapple support.
But this team just isn’t bulky enough for Oger or have the right typings.

placid light
queen saddle
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Max ATK and speed Draga with an illegal move and hex?

placid light
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oh 😭😭 thats supposed to be ironhead

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youre right i didnt spend any time on them so i didnt see

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ill fix it

queen saddle
queen saddle
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Getting higher in the ladder than I have in a while.

placid light
desert pine
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hate how it lets you do that when you type in wi-

narrow crest
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wrong team lol

placid light
stone sierra
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Please don’t give advice you aren’t qualified to give, I’m just pointing out some flaws I saw

quartz tulip
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https://pokepast.es/d61e1aaaea7abaf8

im badly in need of critique and to figure out how to fit a spinner/clear in this comp among other things I’ve probably not considered as problems yet

hot dome
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you have a clodsire which only fits on fat balance/stall, offensive heatran which is incredibly niche and only fits on really gterrain/sun teams, and then a bo/offensive core with strange picks like sucker punch mixed pult

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this team is just strange in general and feels like you kinda just threw pokemon together

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I would recommend looking at and using sample teams for now to get an understanding of common cores + structures pokemon usually fit on

quartz tulip
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Yeah it was an attempt to update an old core but I guess that failed.

queen saddle
hot dome
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and that's just cuz ho never changes

hot dome
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also have a serious fairy problem

queen saddle
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Well ouch.

quartz tulip
hot dome
quartz tulip
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It doesn’t kill basculin or kingdra unless I’m mistaken, is weavile supposed to take those?

stone sierra
low phoenix
quartz tulip
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So I’m just getting hit with rare outliers? Good to know I guess

low phoenix
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No one is using kingdra unless they don’t know what is good, which kingdra isn’t

low phoenix
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And change gliscor to something like ogerpon wellspring

queen saddle
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placid light
placid light
stone sierra
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3 water weaknesses and your only resist is frail?

placid light
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ik i messed up

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restarting it

pseudo haven
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pseudo haven
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I’ve been lookig at the sample teams for BO and i can’t find a common denominator

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can anyone give me advice?

tacit bluff
pseudo haven
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really?

tacit bluff
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idk how much I fw ursa on this I lowkey think zamazenta can do you a lot of favours but its not a bad pick

tacit bluff
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you cover for hazards pretty well you have a kyurem check you have good pivots to enable your sweepers

pseudo haven
tacit bluff
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nah I was thinking boots

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ursa is fine tho as a status absorber

pseudo haven
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okkkk

tacit bluff
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it is up to you

pseudo haven
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i hate getting statuses on my stuf so I’ll stick with ursa

tacit bluff
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its just a weirdly frail mon cause you're usually moving second

pseudo haven
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is that so?

tacit bluff
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yeah and burn chip isn't nice

pseudo haven
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hmmm

tacit bluff
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I think its ok tho, as long as you get it in safely it can shred balance teams

pseudo haven
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okkkk

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soooo the team is good?

tacit bluff
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you also have the option of drain punch if you want to keep it alive

tacit bluff
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nothing really jumps out at me as being particularly bad or anti-syngery

pseudo haven
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ok thank you smmmm

tacit bluff
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I'd be careful of hazards asw

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but you have enough boots mons

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and a cinderace

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so as long as you deal with smth like ting lu early ur fine

pseudo haven
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speak of the devil

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i just loaded into one!

tacit bluff
pseudo haven
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ahh ok

tacit bluff
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fire punch breaks corv tho so

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its a pick and choose

pseudo haven
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yeah that was the idea of fire punch

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and air ballon ghold

tacit bluff
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yeah fair

pseudo haven
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i HATE corv so much!!!

tacit bluff
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drain punch is just rly nice into ting

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but ting is also not gonna enjoy the double encore users

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yeah ur good

pseudo haven
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Thank uuuu

tacit bluff
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yw

pseudo haven
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what’s my line into ghold?

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nvm I found it

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this team feels nice omg

tacit bluff
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if it gets rly annoying mold breaker tinkaton is the ultimate funny

pseudo haven
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yeah I baited a shadow ball

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becuase he went into it on my pech

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to block parting

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so I just got in and took 70%

stone sierra
#

Disgusting cringe

low phoenix
silver river
tacit bluff
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I can now

silver river
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🙏

gritty lake
queen saddle
gritty lake
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Crov zap molt

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Tho ofc molt doesn't need tera rock

queen saddle
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Understandable.

tacit bluff
# silver river https://pokepast.es/ca88b2c4931d4bb6 Offence 🗣️🔥

alright so some gripes with this ngl

I'd make iron valiant setup rather than a mixed breaker cause if it was a mixed breaker it usually runs a choice item of some kind, booster works too but I do think cm is nicer here

phantom force on banded pult is a bit eeehhhhhh like, its a difficult move to lock into and it isn't nearly as much of an ohko machine as you'd like for a two turn move, tera blast is probably better off here

scarf ghold is also just a bit odd, like its an ok set but I don't really see why its needed on this team you have more than enough speed control anyway, I'd make it nasty plot even if its nasty plot with scarf (yes thats a real set since it likes clicking trick into balance often

not sure if I fw washtom here, because its quite a bulky mon with some frankly just "ok" damage output, which ties into one of my general critques, its a bit all over the place for an offence team, there's not too much synergy here

silver river
tacit bluff
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Mhm

silver river
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Oof

tacit bluff
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It's an attacking move like any other

silver river
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I thought I'm not attacking the first turn, sucker can't touch me, and since I'm not there the next turn, sucker won't hit the second time either

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Big sad it don't work like that

gritty lake
silver river
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Defensive chomp sets is all I've ever seen

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Idk if breaker chomp is the way

stone sierra
regal ginkgoBOT
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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tacit bluff
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It does hit first

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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Breaker chomp is defo the way

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It's my favourite chomp set for sure

gritty lake
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Supports dangerous physical threats like gambit zama dnite

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Val

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Whatever likes birds,pecha and tusk gone

tacit bluff
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It's also generally a pain for defensive teams

gritty lake
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Yes

tacit bluff
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Sure it has switchins

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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But if they're slower they tend not to live a follow up

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If ur at +2

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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No it does have switchins for sure

queen saddle
gritty lake
tacit bluff
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I mean things can come in on its attacks

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That set for sure

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Corv kinda eats you up there nglll

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And I don't really like stone edge on chomp

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Yeah the birds are annoying sure but you know what they don't live

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+2 outrage

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With Tera fire you can also shrug off valiant moonblast

queen saddle
tacit bluff
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And outrage is much better into targets like Lando

tacit bluff
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If ur gonna use it run outrage alongside it

queen saddle
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Could you fit adamant Chomp?

tacit bluff
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Like use it over fire fang

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Nah not ada it needs all the speed it can get

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If ur scared of contact punishes you can use stone edge for the birds and them outrage for everything that isn't a fairy or steel type

queen saddle
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Then they need another rocker.

tacit bluff
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The team is

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A bit strange in general

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Like it's nearly there but you wanna cover for chomps less than stellar mus

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Corv being the worst

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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Not on offensive chomp

gritty lake
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Don't want to throw on another ground or something

tacit bluff
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Stacking grounds is perfectly fine

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Several successful teams do it

gritty lake
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It's kinda replicating rockium z sets from sm and on wards

gritty lake
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Maybe Tusk

gritty lake
tacit bluff
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Well

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Hollon lemme get on pc

gritty lake
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Ok

tacit bluff
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iron treads compresses your rocker and spinner into the same slot

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and you have a lot of speed control on this team asw

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coupled with two pivots and zapdos able to dispatch corv and hamper waterpon

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that was part of the idea here

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with the varios forms of speed control

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iron treads also helps soft check kyurem in a pinch

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you could go tera dark on hamu asw

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and you could slot thunder wave on zapdos as it really bolsters the boots kyurem mu after tera steel

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there's also the option of tera dragon chomp

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take them if you want, tweak what you like if something else suits you