SV OU Rates

[arctic frigate]

Over ehat wpuld i put it

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/acae01aaf7317741

thinking maybe putting tb ghost dnite on here somehow

[arctic frigate]

I could also do tera normal glowking tech

or is that just not viable

[low phoenix]

no dont do that

https://pokepast.es/5934726876159c8e

[arctic frigate]

yo i lowk want to build w weavile tho

ill give the team a shot tho

ty

it is very weak to wake

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/f76604bb8cba3803 🙏 🙏

[low phoenix]

balance is weak to wake in general lmao

you can make ting lu tera water

[arctic frigate]

tyty

[arctic frigate]

Is there also a team w weavile i can use i like building w him

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/de9dfa8aa0facde9

https://pokepast.es/eeafbdcc1d8d3361

https://pokepast.es/2fdbf6f0be9f8c8d

3rd team is older but should still be useable

[stone sierra]

Memester do you have any none-hyper offense teams?

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[stone sierra]

How do I differentiate between hyper offense and offense?

Less setup sweepers?

[elder knoll]

offense has utility/defensive guys

HO has a dedicated lead/maybe one utility guy and the rest are setup/offensive guys

[stone sierra]

Ic

[potent fable]

hey

could you look over my team for me ?

https://pokepast.es/25bf19600b8f7d91

[low phoenix]

post it here

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[potent fable]

Ursaluna is not the best wallbreaker in the gam rn but its my favorite pokemon that's why it is in the team

[arctic frigate]

Do you know why corv here over skarm?

[low phoenix]

it can u turn

and can actually take a special attack

[arctic frigate]

fairs

i just want to build a bulky hazard stack with weavile but it has NOT been working

[low phoenix]

weavile is used as a breaker on these kinds of teams

force offensive pressure and progress knock off

[arctic frigate]

thats what im trying

but every team i send here weavile gets shunned off

[low phoenix]

well what kinds of teams are you building

[arctic frigate]

1s

[low phoenix]

weavile fits best in hazard stacks that appreciate its ability to force knock offs

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/fc403e40bbfaef2f
https://pokepast.es/fd3cee4818245b8f
https://pokepast.es/0d20895069b438f0

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/0f508e60c2787463

try something like this you can play with the sets

[stone sierra]

Keldeo?

[elder knoll]

Weavile likes being paired with offensive pivots

[arctic frigate]

This is just a replica of a team that got send to me b4 just with different sets

But thx for trying

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/e2ebdd4687eb442a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[misty basin]

You're not Finchinator

[lucid leaf]

https://pokepast.es/aa49c643fb47f6cf

i am new and my friend had suggested this team so i wanna know if it is good

[magic walrus]

scarf haze is weird id rather haze > focus blast/trick

[lucid leaf]

any other suggestions you got?

[gritty lake]

So what

[shy void]

https://pokepast.es/a6afd95160babc73 so I may like playing with rocks too much

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plain hamlet]

how's this team looking?
https://pokepast.es/b2579459b3ba54c1

[elder knoll]

look at the at the sample teams

that team has questionable synergy

and a lot of issues

[woeful hearth]

I made this stall team, toxapex can be replaced over dragonite: https://pokepast.es/562efe17e35b33df

how is it looking?

[elder knoll]

this stall team is no bueno

😔

it gets farmed by Waterpon

farmed by any boosting SPAing mon

Garg isn’t a stall Mon

You also lose to black glasses Gambit

You have no reliable knocker absorber

no reliable ways to handle future sight

also you have 3 odd guys out not just one

Garg, T-Tar, and D-nite

also you have a bunch of t-waves for some reason?

oh yeah and this team loses loses on preview to volt-turn offense

I think those are all of the issues I could’ve missed some though

oh and yeah you lose to Gholdengo or any Mon with Psyshock

I would either refer to the stall bible or look at the sample teams at this has a few fundamental misunderstandings of how stall in SV OU works

[woeful hearth]

alright thanks

[nocturne sable]

Ttar just isn’t good, especially on Stall

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/1e1eebf08b89e101 made an offense team thats been doing p well on ladder

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stone sierra]

im aware of the ice weakness, idrk what pokemon i should swap out to help with it

[nocturne sable]

What are those hydrapple evs

[stone sierra]

Ask memester

[nocturne sable]

Just curious

Also weavile kinda just wrecks this team and half the mons on this team just dies to hazards

I feel like hoopa-U doesn’t belong there and is wasting a slot

[stone sierra]

It’s been useful in the games I’ve played with it

[elder knoll]

also uh….

5 fairy weaknesses

[unkempt sandal]

[low phoenix]

What

[stone sierra]

you gave me the hydrapple

[low phoenix]

It was a sample team

I didn’t create it lol

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/ab763d03161f99ab i stole someones webs team and replaced gambit, opinions?

[barren ridge]

this is not the space for teams you didn't make, this includes other people's teams you've modified

[stone sierra]

oh ic

[gritty lake]

Sinnohconfirmed is the inspiration

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/650c6c94d263f407

Offence 🙏

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Solo pivot boots bolt is a bit weird

it normally like being paired with other pivots

also 5 fairy weaknesses no and resists

[silver river]

Dont need them, no OU fairy lasting long enough to become an issue.

[silver river]

I wanted a somewhat bulky special attacker with an electric move, bolt turned out best bc it's all that, + thunderclap is nice prio

[gritty lake]

this just goes to show how good fairy blast is lol

[hot dome]

valiant rips this team apart, there are many ou fairies which last long enough to become an issue

boots bolt just aint it in current meta

[silver river]

Dnite

[gritty lake]

lmao w8 ravenx from cygs?

[hot dome]

yeah and valiant does the same thing to dnite

[silver river]

Sup

[silver river]

No?

[hot dome]

even if you can trade with dnite you're easily saccing at least 1 + tera, if not more

and nothing stops the valiant from just leaving and coming back

a team of 6 valiant-weak mons is never oging to be good

also just kinda a weird team in general this is an offense team that lacks the power to break walls

[silver river]

It has 3 setup sweepers

[gritty lake]

this isnt even ho

[hot dome]

two of the three sweepers are shut down by corv with the last being shut down by half the tier, bolt gets destroyed by ting lu

[silver river]

I guess that is true

[hot dome]

this team just ain't good

[silver river]

😭

[hot dome]

also poor mu into gliscor

yeah this team isn't it, in the future i would recommend thinking about how your team matches up into the common threats and picks of the tier (and if you have overlapping weaknesses/lack of power on one side/lack of ability to break through certain walls)

[silver river]

Tera ice ice spinner tusk

[hot dome]

not reliable nor can switch in

• burning tera for gliscor is just sad

[silver river]

? Can't switch in?

[hot dome]

toxic on the switch in immediately kills tusk

[silver river]

Ah

[hot dome]

nothing here can switch into gliscor, while gliscor can switch into a lot

like i said, this isn't a good team

i would recommend looking at samples for now, take note of the cores/structures they use

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[silver river]

@hot dome made some changes based on what u said, does this look better now

https://pokepast.es/3b14aee1a771c7c3

[gritty lake]

kinda loses to kyurem?

[tacit bluff]

Silk scarf dnite?

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/83ad3f2ded2ee70a garchomp ho

[silver river]

Tera normal dnite espeed can't 1 shot val, with silk scarf it can

[gritty lake]

but

that means u will not hv multiscale most times

the thing that made dnite so mid in oras and sm

[tacit bluff]

Yeah but you lose multiscale and valiant commonly runs Tera ghost

And also that relies on you committing Tera which isn't reliable

[silver river]

If it tera ghosts then it dies to sucker/*dark pulse later and the team no longer has to worry about tera from other mons

[gritty lake]

bootsless dnite is just bad mna

man*

[tacit bluff]

Bootless dnite can do stuff

Tbf

[gritty lake]

banded can

[tacit bluff]

It's usually loaded dice tho

[gritty lake]

yea and that

[tacit bluff]

Band is ass

[gritty lake]

since when

[tacit bluff]

What do you lock into

[gritty lake]

right

[tacit bluff]

None of ur moves are stab and they all have common immunities or resists

[gritty lake]

it was good in early sv so i assumed it would be now

[tacit bluff]

Imagine locking in e speed and Lando comes in drops attack and just sits on you

[gritty lake]

lol

[tacit bluff]

When other dnite can just

Ice spinner

Bye bye

[gritty lake]

anyways, pls help

[tacit bluff]

I mean it's such a specific calc

[gritty lake]

i tried to account for anti ho stuff like iron press zama, stall etc

[tacit bluff]

And corv is also under a lot of pressure for the hazard control

[silver river]

That is true, i need a hazard control but can't think of a good one

I had boots tusk before

[tacit bluff]

Lowk it's not the fact that corv is particularly bad it's just that this team is a little weird with its synergies and it's badly threatened by hazards otherwise

Like lorb zama gets chipped down really fast

And then there's trick darkrai too

[silver river]

Should i replace it with e.belt?

[tacit bluff]

Basically none of these mons are boots and ur really compromised as a result

[tacit bluff]

Lorb is fine with some support around it

Lowk tho I'd restructure this entirely

I like to run lorb zama with things like alolomola

[silver river]

😭

[tacit bluff]

To pass it a wish to allow it to break again

Or you just run boots zama

Like hiiighkey

[silver river]

Fair, I'll switch to boots, bro's strong enough as is

[tacit bluff]

I'll get back to this later cause I'm lowk busy

[silver river]

Or is zama the sister

[tacit bluff]

Zac is the girl

[silver river]

I'm sure there was lore

[silver river]

Ah

[tacit bluff]

I'll also get to this eventually I promise

By eventually I mean later today

[gritty lake]

alr 👍

whenever its convenient for you

[silver river]

Np, i appreciate the help

[silver river]

^

[fallow escarp]

https://pokepast.es/0d105d1431c5fe50

Hazard stack pivot with double assault vest, any suggestions?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

Am I missing something where is the Hstsck?

[fallow escarp]

Oger and Tusk, with Hatterene for extra control

Is that not Hstack? Sorry I might be using the term loosely

[nocturne sable]

Oh I see Ogerpon has spikes

[fallow escarp]

I've tried replacing Oger with Meowscarada with Spikes for some more speed, and Choice Specs on Bolt

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think having Ogerpon and tusk as your hazards setters are optimal

I don’t see what’s absorbing knock off here. Weavile has a fields day on this team

Not really a big fan of boots bolt,just really underwhelming with no breaking power is a ting Lu and Gliscor meta

I mean you do have 3 Tera water mons but then you’re basically forced to burn your Tera’s

[fallow escarp]

Although I built the team around Hatterene, maybe I can replace it with a bulkier mon for the Knock Absorber/Hazards role and free up slots from Tusk and Oger

[nocturne sable]

You can also use HDB zama to check weavile, etc

[tacit bluff]

as I promised

anyway yeah this team should defo have some more boots mons and have better outs against pokes like iron valiant you could rly use a poison type of some kind like glowking or pecha or even smth like zapdos or moltres cause mixed val kinda eats this team alive with the help of spikestack

[tacit bluff]

I'm not the biggest fan of scale shot garchomp in general or lowk garchomp on HO, ur honestly better off with a ddance kyurem who can boost its speed outside of clicking the annoying move and benefits more from loaded dice as an item thanks to running icicle spear asw, garchomp fits best on bo or balance imo cause you just gotta accept its speed tier ain't what it used to be and commit to it being more of a breaker than a sweeper

the rest of your team looks fine otherwise, I'd just be a tad careful of stuff like araq webs lead into a great tusk cause it ohkos with surf

[gritty lake]

Oh yea alright, makes sense

I do hv a sd chomp bo/balance too

https://pokepast.es/617502bd09736e1f this is horribly weak to waterpon and i cant think of any fixes

[stone sierra]

Moth bug buzz

[nocturne sable]

Defensive core in general is sus, Heatran isn’t really a good as a main special wall as it doesn’t really Matchup well into the top special attackers of this tier

[gritty lake]

so what do i change

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/efa3a952750ebf85

I wanna add a ghost somewhere idk really know if NP Ghold fits the pace of this team though
I was thinking maybe a Pult in place of Thundy but idk how good it is as a breaker

[low phoenix]

you can make hamruott av and dragapult specs

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/bf56fc6ffceca42f

i lowkey just got shit on by stall this one might not be it

[elder knoll]

what stall

The team you have seems pretty solid

I’m not sure why you have ice beam on lati but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic frigate]

gliscor

[arctic frigate]

corv pex glisc dozo bliss and a +1

i4got

[elder knoll]

So the classic bootspam stall

[arctic frigate]

yes

[elder knoll]

you should be winning that matchup with Weavile

[arctic frigate]

i mean prolly

but im not very good at the video game

[elder knoll]

Corv is going to struggle contain Weavile long term

Dozo gets murdered by hazards

Lati forces Tera onto Bliss/clod

[arctic frigate]

ik i just played it like a shitter

lati has been giving me a lot of value

draco hits like a truck

[elder knoll]

go recover > ice beam

[arctic frigate]

then my gliscor mu is alot worse tho

[elder knoll]

Nobody is switching Gliscor into Lati

at worse you flip turn to Skarm

[arctic frigate]

true true

but then how do i kill it

cuz weav is not landing a single hit on bro

[elder knoll]

Break down its support

[arctic frigate]

ig it makes progreess

yes

[elder knoll]

or ignore its existence

choose depending on the matchup

[arctic frigate]

alr many thanks

ive had soemoen suggest to chance skarm for tinkaton

cuz its more a bit more offensive then bulky

[elder knoll]

Idt Tink and Skarm are really that interchangeable

[arctic frigate]

yeah i agreed

cuz

kingambit is looking kinda rough without skarm

[alpine furnace]

I saw the team honestly of you really wanna beat stall replace lati with tera ghost bulky cm primarina

[silver river]

Make a team around CM hoopa-U and never look back lmao

[alpine furnace]

I dont see what Lati does here that primarina doesn't. And tera ghost prim means blissey can't really do anything to you.

[arctic frigate]

I changed lati for torn t

And its been doing wonders

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/ac3dedb4957954f7 Put together this team based on the zapdos corv physical core, and i feel like they work together well but are they redundant? also it struggles against sun and stall but those are probably the matchups im the worst against in general so idk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

Heatran is kinda mid ngl

But you should be ok against stall if your running that set

make gambit Tera dark and then you have 2 stall breakers

Corv and Zap are redundant though

you could go for a Glowking/Lu/Corv defensive core or a Lu/Pech if you wanna keep spikes

if you’re running spikes you should probably have a spin blocker

[alpine furnace]

Kingambit looks like a problem for this team.

Corv cant threaten it back, Dnite might be able to handle it but after a +2 its not going to like it, your kingambit isnt packing lowkick, heatran doesnt want to take a hit from a +2 kingambit

You also might want some speed control

Glowking > heatran and Zamazenta > corv can help

[stone sierra]

Payback ting?

[sacred delta]

Been trying out both payback and ruination, thats just what i had on it at the time

[sacred delta]

Doesnt ting lu wall it unless its tera fairy?

[alpine furnace]

Lowkick, tera fairy, and a +2 iron head can chip it down.

[shy void]

https://pokepast.es/25c6e700f0d0950e thoughts

[elder knoll]

Stacking 3 rocks types… Is not it

[alpine furnace]

Yeah ogerpon W pivot is gonna destroy that. Heck SD might be worse since powerwhip ohkos your own ogerpon.

[paper chasm]

tailwind is not good

what is ttar doing here

[jaunty silo]

Yo! check out this team I've been workin with. It has been pretty serviceable

[hot dome]

dusclops is unviable

also !pokepaste

damn command broke

!pokepast

yeah i give up just use pokepaste in the future

[jaunty silo]

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.

[jaunty silo]

Idk the dusclops has been able to fill a niche no other pokemon has been able to

[hot dome]

not really sure why you're runing offensive ting lu with portect, this team is all over the place with multiple clashing identities, there's no real structure here and you struggle heavily into valiant

i would recommend looking at sample teams for viable sets and structures, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[slate anvil]

Anyone have a meowscarada team ?

[hot dome]

this isn't the chat to ask

[slate anvil]

oh mb

where do i ask

[nocturne sable]

#comp-general

[slate anvil]

https://pokepast.es/6f5a14f3adc7d74c
how does this 1 look

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[barren ridge]

The command should be your whole message

[hot dome]

makes sense

[nocturne sable]

Is this suppose to be Hstack?

[slate anvil]

i dont even know what team it is

what's hstack anyways

[nocturne sable]

Hazard stack

[slate anvil]

like stacking debuff on opponent's field ?

[elder knoll]

😔

Refer to the sample teams

[nocturne sable]

Stacking hazard like spikes, stealth rock, etc on the opps field then using knock

To knock off the heavy duty boots users

So they get chipped by entry hazards

[slate anvil]

ohh

so is it good as a hstack team

[nocturne sable]

Anyways there is a lot of fundamental problems with this team

-Sash suicide lead meow on a non offense team

-defensive core not really covering anything, loses to common attacking threats like darkrai, bolt, etc

-Chomp honestly isn’t ideal, especially defensive helmet chomp and in your case not even running spikes

-team lacks breaking power and if you want to use a Hstack team you need knockers which your team lacks

If you want to have a good idea of what a hstack team looks like you can look at samples

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[slate anvil]

how do i improve the team

[elder knoll]

You need to rebuild it from the ground up

[nocturne sable]

In general you would just have to scrap the team because it seems all over the place

[elder knoll]

[slate anvil]

ye i have no idea how to build a team tbh ;-;

[elder knoll]

Watch Pinakcross

[west tide]

heya. It's been a while since I last played gen 9 ou so i decided to make a new team. https://pokepast.es/fc0bf8e868739c9e I feel like my defensive core is lacking though. Any tips?

[hot dome]

play with a sample team, ladder up and you'll start to pick up on common cores/structures

[elder knoll]

^ it can help down to write things you see and have people review your replays

[slate anvil]

are there more of these samples ?

[hot dome]

there's team bazaar, but its quality is unconfirmed and i would take those teams with a grain of salt

[elder knoll]

You can also ask around the different discords

[slate anvil]

where should i ask cus i kinda got ignored in #comp-general ;-;

[hot dome]

ou discord is a good place

[slate anvil]

why does it require verification...

[elder knoll]

you could try stallcord

[west tide]

I was thinking gliscor over ting lu but I'm not sure

Also that leaves me terribly weak to ice

[slate anvil]

where can i find it

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/97d4fa15c36dc656 sd garchomp

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mental ibex]

https://pokepast.es/652eaba7b9f8baf4
Balance dragonite life orb team. I sometime struggle with this team and sometimes i completely sweep. Any tips?

[hot dome]

this team just ain't it, most of the sets are unviable (mixed defense ghold, life orb dnite, mixed attack gliscor, mixed attack gking, specs darkari with thunder psychic, etc), and the general structure is pretty poor as well (weak defensive core with a poor offensive core as well, double hazard gliscor gets easily exploited)

You seem pretty new to the tier so I would recommend using a sample team first to learn the tier and common sets/cores used, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[gritty lake]

[mental ibex]

uhh ok thank you

[slate anvil]

https://pokepast.es/fd0258c2f9d30d09

[magic walrus]

I don’t think these sets are viable (gengar, ferro is not in gen9, toxapex not in stall) better off a start with the samples

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[barren ridge]

NationalDex OU goes here https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059714627384115290

[slate anvil]

ok

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/2d5fecd833ab4a12 relatively standard bulky offense team, but i want to know what waterpon and corv set to run, magma storm vs lava plume on heatran, and if having both rocks and spikes has anti-synergy with defog, and any other general feedback.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sacred delta]

also im really struggling against sun, esp walking wake. it outspeeds basically my whole team in sun, and hydro steam+flamethrower basically ohkos everything

[elder knoll]

Your team is very slow and Corv/Pech fulfill very similar roles

Pech -> Tera water pivot Glowking

[gritty lake]

[elder knoll]

Then from there rework your offensive core

Heatran should probably go

Maybe replace with an Ace for additional Hazard Control

[alpine furnace]

And tusk > Ting lu here I think.

[gritty lake]

is anyone gonna help me out man 😔

[nocturne sable]

Tbh I swear you send like the same team everyday

[gritty lake]

its not even remotely same

[hot dome]

i swear ive seen that chomp moltres core like 10 times atp

[gritty lake]

yea buts everything around it is different

including the chomp itself

hm?

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/be477758abcf8401

what can i improve ?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile jay]

currently at 1450 elo and this team is feeling good

[elder knoll]

Do you wanna lead more into the balance, bulky offense, or Hazard stacking element of this team?

🤔

Glimm is a really strange pick either way

[sterile jay]

bulky offense has been working fine alongside hazards

[elder knoll]

Glim does not work alongside

bulky offense

It’s a suicide lead

[sterile jay]

i rather go into hazards then honestly i like using him a lot lmao

i bait out rapid spinners with gholdengo usually

[elder knoll]

Glim’s role is basically a suicide lead on HO

so if you want to maximize it’s effectiveness you’d want to build a HO team

[sterile jay]

HO means ?

[elder knoll]

Hyper offense

[sterile jay]

sorry its just that i am entirely new to playing the format lmao

oooh

yeah that was originally my team but ive changed it to what i have now

[elder knoll]

yeah that’s the way you wanna lean with a Glim

unless you’re that guy who uses Dudun balance

[sterile jay]

dudun balance ??? loool

https://pokepast.es/e0acf490ef8dac98

this was my original team but i tweaked it into what i have now

i tried hyper offense but couldnt settle on what to put on last slot

[elder knoll]

so HO is normally 4-5 setup sweeper guys

and then your lead

[sterile jay]

oooh

[elder knoll]

this is like a balance maybe?

[sterile jay]

sooo i actually got closer by changing gholdengo set lmao

and then went the opossite directions by changing gliscor

so then sword dance gliscor should work and then replace the last slot with another set up swepeer ?

[elder knoll]

🤔 you wouldn’t even have a Gliscor on HO

They’re too slow for the tempo of HO

[sterile jay]

oh

[elder knoll]

HO is a “go, go, go” type play style

while Gliscor breaks down teams over the long game

[sterile jay]

ooh i get it then zap and gliscor should be changed right ?

what are some options i could use ?

[elder knoll]

I’m just going to list a bunch of guys sometimes on HO:

Iron Moth, Iron Valiant, Raging Bolt, Darkrai, Kyurem, Zamazenta, Ogerpon wellspring

[sterile jay]

thanks you ill try thesee

i just changed up gliscor and zapdos for ogerpon and raging bolt

i run into stall in the first game lmao

kingambit sweep

[sterile jay]

thanks man these 2 new already make the team flow better : D

[paper chasm]

sd gliscor on webs is the future

trust

[low phoenix]

screen gliscor trust

[stone sierra]

and just never fucking dies

[magic walrus]

Ofc it doesn’t fking dies, even the AG stall team has glisc

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/d573a78be40142b6 i tried building a team of specs enamorus

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plain hamlet]

was working on this hazard team yesterday, definitely feels more consistent than other teams I've made in the past but I'm open for advice on how to improve it
https://pokepast.es/73e0c69348425d2e

[nocturne sable]

Don’t really think you need spikes toxic Gliscor on this team and instead you can opt for SD Gliscor

And I’m guessing Hamurott would be your suicide lead over mora?

[plain hamlet]

I kinda have both rn cause sometimes theres situations where glimora wouldn't be a good lead so samurott kinda covers for those

I'll experiment withthe sd gliscor though and see if it works out better

[nocturne sable]

Hmm ic, but two suicide leads with no fire power is concerning

[plain hamlet]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

so in that case should I switch out mora or just change the moveset?

[nocturne sable]

You can change around the Hamurott set

Hamurott is versatile and can run a good amount of sets

[plain hamlet]

I see, would the boots attacker set on the smogon dex be a good fit for the team?

actually would cooking up something bulky with assault vest work or does that mess up my teams pacing

[elder knoll]

The purpose of Enam on webs is to punish court change after Tera so you need to have a Tera type that removes the flying typing.

Enam:
Tera stellar -> Tera fairy

Both Bolt and Gambit are too slow to abuse webs without investment.

Bolt:
0 speed -> 252 speed modest
Gambit:
0 speed adamant -> 252 speed jolly.

I would also try:

Ghold:
Psyshock -> Recover
Balloon -> Steel plate

Gambit:
Lum Berry -> Balloon
Tera Ghost -> Tera Fire

Bolt:
Tera fairy -> Tera Ghost

Tusk:
Tera electric -> Tera Ghost

[mental ibex]

https://pokepast.es/273e359fadc83c82
Hi. I am new to teambuilding so i would accept any guidence you could provide. I made this walking wake team from the sample teams ive used and also common pokemon i face on ladder. I feel like the team is complete but there might be something missing. Any help would be appriciated

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[prisma berry]

https://pokepast.es/1bfcf113c08ea9ce
went straight from 1400-1800 with like 4 losses in between. Any weaknesses that ive missed?

The glimmora set catches almost 70% of the players off guard and it does really well. Not sure whether to put earth power or energy ball here

[tacit bluff]

Hey there, so this team has a lot of holes and a couple odd choices

Specs walking wake is p much only a feature on sun, without the sun up it becomes far less of an active threat especially with scald and dragon pulse over something like hydro steam or draco meteor tera blast is also somewhat unreliable, point is its not doing what it really wants to on this team

I really dislike just how vulnerable to hazards this team is, no court change on cinderace means you have absolutely no way to deal with hazards and a myriad of hazard weak mons like ogerpon wellspring, walking wake and okidogi

this team also lacks structure, it seems like a spikestack offence? but its very vulnerable into opposing spikestack and these picks don't really do you any favours, I'm not really sure what some of these mons are supposed to do

I tend to recommend against editing sample teams, as they're already well tested for the metagame

[mental ibex]

this is one i made myself

[mental ibex]

what changes do you say i do?

[tacit bluff]

ngl

I'd find a spikestack sample team you like

and work with that

this sorta needs an overhaul imo

[mental ibex]

im trying to learn to make a team myself but idk where to start

i struggle with making cores

so

[tacit bluff]

hmmmm

lemme find some teambuilding resources for you

[mental ibex]

ok thank you!

[tacit bluff]

generally my advice is you wanna pick a team style and build towards that rather than build around a core of a few pokemon that maybe don't synergise too well

[elder knoll]

Or pick a common tested core

Like:
Lando/H-Sam
Corv/Lu/Glowking

[mental ibex]

thats the issue: i dont know what i like

[mental ibex]

where can i find those?

[tacit bluff]

if you prefer a video format, I'll recommend a playlist by pinkaross where he breaks down how to teambuild for several different team styles

[mental ibex]

ive seen the one where he goes over how to make balance. The team i sent was my attempt at it

[tacit bluff]

the metagame has shifted a bit since he made said videos, but the general ideas around teambuilding remain the same

I would go hunting for more rn, but unfortunately its a bit late for me

like nearly 1am

and I should probably go to sleep

[elder knoll]

go to sleep wtf

[tacit bluff]

so in the morning I can go searching for you

eh 1am is a rookie number usually

[mental ibex]

ok that would be highly appreciated

[tacit bluff]

but I should sleep yes

[elder knoll]

smh Pokemon players have awful sleep schedules

[mental ibex]

so... what do i do now then?

[elder knoll]

Try building
The normal process is to build something -> Test few games -> Evaluate -> Repeat ad infintium

until happy with results

[mental ibex]

easier said then done

[elder knoll]

it’s part of the learning process

🫡

everyone’s gotta pay their dues

[mental ibex]

ill try and stick to a style

which is the easiest one to learn to build?

[elder knoll]

easiest to build or easiest to make good

there’s a big difference

[mental ibex]

both

[elder knoll]

HO is probably one of the easier styles to build

Stall is easy to build but hard to make good since the pool of viable mons is so small

[mental ibex]

but while using HO, you wont be able to see what mistakes your making quite clearly

same with stall

[elder knoll]

It’s pretty easy to tell from watching replays

dw

[mental ibex]

ill stick to balance for now

[elder knoll]

Try building around
Glowking/Corv/Lu

It’s a very potent defensive core

[mental ibex]

hmm alright

ill send it here when i do

[elder knoll]

Corv can be replaced with any bird though tbh

[mental ibex]

What style of team would this be?

I assume something like bulky offence, hazard stack or stall?

[elder knoll]

It’s a bully offense/balance core

the line between BO and Balance is a little blurred

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think it leans a little more towards BO

[nocturne sable]

Sun imo is one of the easiest play styles out there

It’s sun setter+Walking wake+Tusk+3 other slots

Walking wake can easily win games on ladder

[mental ibex]

Do the 3 other slots matter?

[elder knoll]

It’s usually a hat + 2 other abusers

most sun teams have Hat

unless ur running Leaveanny sun

[mental ibex]

Lemme make it rq and send

[nocturne sable]

Usually stuff like Hatterene, Venu, etc take those slots

But there is other options you can use on sun like Ceruledge,Slither wing etc

[elder knoll]

Ceru has been getting really popular lately

it’s a cheeselord that’s good into bulky cores

[nocturne sable]

I have seen stuff like whimscott sun too, apparently it’s a good anti-meta pick

[elder knoll]

Yeah Comfey asw

comfey is kinda insane as a late game cleaner tbh

[mental ibex]

https://pokepast.es/ed8e7ec47b54edb4

Here it is

I think it’s not that great…

[nocturne sable]

Run growth on venu

[mental ibex]

Ok

[nocturne sable]

Hydro steam and flip turn on wake>>scald and surf

Usually you would eject button hatterene on sun

Make Ninetales standard set with Healing wish & encore

Also I think you can drop corv for another sun abuser

Since Sun mostly operates like HO

[mental ibex]

I see I see

[mental ibex]

Any suggestions?

[mental ibex]

Does this hatterene work?

[elder knoll]

you want eject button hat for momentum

You’re basically racing to get in your threatening guys as fast as possible

AV hat isn’t the most conducive to that

I also would shift to a modest max SPA wake

since the meta is kinda fat atm

[mental ibex]

https://pokepast.es/a1c3b7c440c6c103

New one

[mental ibex]

Done

[mental ibex]

I didn’t know what to do with slither wing so I just make him choice band

Also I just realised that hatterene set sucks now and I need to change it

[nocturne sable]

Slither wing would usually run Assault vest

So it can be a better check to stuff like darkrai

[mental ibex]

Ok

[mental ibex]

Anything else?

[nocturne sable]

You can also drop dual wingbeat for flare blitz if you want to hit walls like corv

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/8e1b09d1b0b5ce0f tried to make a specs hydrapple BO team

[nocturne sable]

What’s hydro pump hydrapple for?

[stone sierra]

Idrk what other moves to put there

Are there any pokemon that goob my entire team?

I also didn’t change any Teras other than hydrapples bc I don’t know how to choose those well

[nocturne sable]

You can put either Leaf storm, Draco meteor or a cheesy Tera blast type

If you need the immediate damage

[stone sierra]

Draco is already there

[nocturne sable]

Oh ye mb

[stone sierra]

Is tera blast steel worth it?

[nocturne sable]

Just realize your not fickle beam

Should probably run fickle beam since it can give you double power as well as avoid spatk drop

[stone sierra]

I heavily dislike fickle beam, it’s not consistent enough

Is it worth it?

[elder knoll]

It’s fine to go either way

I’d argue fickle is better but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne sable]

Not really a fan of that defensive core though, your main walls get blitz through by weavile and darkrai. Tinkaton is a decent soft check but it has a lot of weight on its shoulders.

Tusk also gives this team trouble

[stone sierra]

Without pech the team looks p bad vs zam

Hmm

[stone sierra]

Doesn’t tink wall weavile

[elder knoll]

Not long term

+2 252 Atk Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tinkaton: 228-270 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone sierra]

Oh ic

Ig I only ran knockoff for stall mu in dif teams and kinda standardized it? Could go gigaton

[nocturne sable]

Tink is a decent soft check into stuff but it doesn’t have the recovery and bulk to outright counter stuff

[stone sierra]

Yeah +2 triple axel 2hkos tink

Unfort

Running gigaton over knock off

[magic walrus]

Oh I forgot how to move my mouse

[frank latch]

https://pokepast.es/623111f3a552e175

Messing around w rain

[magic walrus]

The Tera fire ain’t helping me (I’m getting one shot all day)

guess ill stick to lum for now (i might change it)

[nocturne sable]

Where is the breaking power in this team?

[elder knoll]

Adapility wave crash Bascu

[nocturne sable]

ok fair but

what is AV quav and AV hatt on the same team accomplishing

and i feel like raging bolt is a better option than zapdos

[nocturne sable]

hold on that's not even swift swim...

[elder knoll]

that’s why it’s a worry whirl

just use Skewda

[split hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/cfe881dda8b9ec35

[nocturne sable]

Necrozma is cool and all but that Necrozma set just kinda loses to ting lu

and stored power is kinda MU fishy at best

[elder knoll]

The team synergy is also a mess

[split hamlet]

what suggestions do you guys have then

because my games havent been that bad

[nocturne sable]

what ladder are you just curious

[elder knoll]

[split hamlet]

just started playing showdown

couldnt tell you

[elder knoll]

start by using sample teams

[split hamlet]

thats pretty bland though

[elder knoll]

The problem with this team is that it probably has to rebuilt from the ground up

I can’t tell if it’s an HO or Bulky offense

[split hamlet]

its that bad? 😭

[elder knoll]

it’s not terrible

it’s one of those mistakes all newcomers make

where you have the essential things like a hazard setter removal

a defensive core

but the pieces aren’t fitting together

It’s like if you’re cooking a potato salad but you added in French fries and potato chips

instead of actual potatoes

[split hamlet]

mmm

i mean im open to improve it though

i really like necrozma

[elder knoll]

The things about Necrozma it’s a very difficult mon to slot in and use without a good grasp of the metagame

I’d recommend start with this Necrozma team

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/this-necrozma-offence-team-is-insane-peaked-1857.3763888/

to get an idea of what you want to do with it

once you have a more clear vision you can come back and ask for help

cause atm it would be extremely difficult to help fix that team since neither of us know what you’re really going for

[split hamlet]

fair enough

i dont mind starting off it with since it does have necrozma

thank you

[elder knoll]

🫡 no problem

[frank latch]

Bascu I switched to swift swim, accidentally posted an old ver. AV hat and AV quav mostly do different things, as quav can act as a wincon while AV hat is an actually specially bulky mom. I chose zapdos for a stronger hurricane for stuff like tusk.

[nocturne sable]

is the quav really a wincon though?? me thinks the lack of set up doesn't give it the breaking power it needs

though ig with AV you can soft check stuff

but still I feel like using common staples like Barra>basc would be more optimal though

Overqwil, etc can also be used to make the Waterpon MU less terrible

[frank latch]

Basc also acts as a soft SD gliscor check, because of it's facade immunity then an OHKO with wave crash

[frank latch]

It has acted as one in other games, but I am playing low ladder

[frank latch]

What are the etc

[nocturne sable]

Stuff like raging bolt

[hot dome]

Quaquaval sucks especially av

[fallen bloom]

https://pokepast.es/8c25333d4de1f1ee I kinda js took an idea nd ran with it for this team. lmk what yall think nd any improvements i can make. Im also not sure on the movesets and ev spreads. Its not supposed to be the best team js a fun team on the ladder

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

I’ve found every stall players ladder opp….

[hot dome]

almost every set is unviable here and most of these pokemon are unviable, this isn't the channel for "fun teams"

[frank latch]

Instead of zapdos?

Is pelliper enough to fight tusk

[hot dome]

No

Pelipper should not be used as your primary counter or check to anything

[nocturne sable]

If you need another flying type you can opt for tornadus-T

Has regenerator and a better speed tier which could prove to be useful

[gritty lake]

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-monkey-monkey-ug-master-oogway-oogway-gif-19727561

[frank latch]

Instead of zapdos?

[nocturne sable]

Yes

[frank latch]

For waterpon right

When I play I feel like the team really dies to bulkier teams, especially lokix

It's low ladder so lokix exists

[nocturne sable]

Lokix is a legitimately viable Mon

[frank latch]

Yeah

My team dies to it

What I usually do is I nuzzle with hat then hurricane

[stone sierra]

Mfw Garg:

Idk why it’s Uu

Salt cure is devastating

[gritty lake]

Huh?

[frank latch]

Garg is not uu

[stone sierra]

It’s not?

Guh

[frank latch]

Salt cure is devastating

Esp curse garg

[stone sierra]

Unless you’re that one mf I found on ladder who ran a covert cloak ghold named “no salt cure for you”

[frank latch]

Curse garg is cheese

[stone sierra]

He won the match

[frank latch]

Curse recover eq sc

Peak

Garg set

Actual cheese in low ladder

[hot dome]

This isn’t the channel for this

[desert pine]

https://pokepast.es/3ac5cc9cba76ff38

[magic walrus]

Make Garg Tera fairy

Walking wake should be surf and Tera water or smthing

Change the glowking set to be the t-wave boots set

[hot dome]

Having no reliable knock absorbers on this team and no way to block or punish hazard removal greatly cripples your hazard stack

• spikes meow is ass

[elder knoll]

you also have no removal while having 2 mons without boots

[desert pine]

isnt physdef scor a good knock absorber?

[elder knoll]

it loses to common knockers

Weavile, meow, etc.

[hot dome]

Knock Darkrai, Weavile, ironically Wake

Phys def gliscor is a good secondary knock absorber but it shouldn’t be your only one if your team is this passive

More offensive balance teams can get away with it but since your only truly offensive mons are a boots wake and specs valiant you will struggle against teams with fat spdef cores (or really any with just gking)

With no way to stop or punish hazard removal, and offensive threats that can be walled by common mons, it’s just not a good balance team

[desert pine]

wdym punish

whats the alternative to spin blocking

[hot dome]

Rocky helmet is usually an option for spinners specifically, but generally mons that can come in on the removers and use their favorable matchup for progress

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/02cb74acc33e84f2 I'm struggling with veil a lot

[elder knoll]

isn’t this like the 50th time I’ve seen this team

[gritty lake]

I hv no anti lead into alolan ninetails

[hot dome]

Dude I swear I have seen this code reposted by you 20 times

Have you seriously never gotten any advice

[gritty lake]

No

[hot dome]

Ok fine

Scarf non-mixed Val is a weird choice your offensive core sucks cuz it’s all reliant on sd chomp in a meta where Zamazenta exists your team lets in gliscor way too easily without a way to force it out reliably

Not really sure why you’re using spdef moltres when water spattackers are all in the rage rn and it’s not like Moltres particularly likes facing Darkrai especially knock variants

[gritty lake]

Isn't it better into fairies than glowking

[hot dome]

This team is too unreliable for bulky offense but doesn’t have good enough defense for offensive balance

[hot dome]

there’s two offensive fairies that are special attackers, one of which is secondary water type and the other of which loves to either bring tbolt or knock

[gritty lake]

Fair

[elder knoll]

The only notable fairy sp def Molt is good into is Enam

[hot dome]

O yeah enam exists ig but that’s one mon and you have a horrendous mu into the rest

[gritty lake]

Yea

So huh the team is just pretty bad all around

Ok

[elder knoll]

try leaning into the more aggressive side of balance

[hot dome]

Nah chomp really isn’t a balance or even bulky offense kinda mon

If you wanna run chomp run an offensive team that can weaken its checks and enables it

[gritty lake]

I want to take advantage of the fact that no one really prepares for chomp

Spdef gliscor loses to it

[elder knoll]

if you want my hot take for Garchomp

if you’re going for a SD build run outrage over scale shot

it free up the item slot for LO

and sacrifices sweeping potential for breaking

[gritty lake]

That set hasn't worked for me

[hot dome]

Yeah cuz it’s naturally covered by half the tier

[stone sierra]

Ice is everywhere bc of glisc+lando

And dnite

[tacit bluff]

garchomp's best strait is as a breaker tbh

its issues as a setup sweeper in a tier populated by so many physical dragons are really bad

middling speed and no way to boost it outside of an unreliable and frankly bad scale shot

[gritty lake]

I'll just play another tier..

[tacit bluff]

Garchomp is viable

But it's a specific choice that needs strong enablers

It needs strong speed control and good pivots since it's best set in life orb gets worn down fast

[gritty lake]

I do hv the lo chomp team which was used in w1 of spl

Tho I'm not sure as to how good it is now

And according to the rules i can't ask here either

[mental ibex]

https://pokepast.es/d3da4c88c1f60c31
dragon fairy steel core team that i made for garchomp.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mental ibex]

i think the team isnt that great but works

[gritty lake]

I hv this exact team, it ain't that good

[mental ibex]

aww...

what changes did you make?

[gritty lake]

Deleted it

[mental ibex]

did you make other teams with garchomp?

[gritty lake]

Many

None of them good

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/da5d5c20caf63216

Tried making offence ||again||

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/65b009a20f22b93e

This vikavolt team, I trained vika to survive a cinderace pyro ball(32 atk set), and volcorona fiery dance and matches up well against dondozo which zamazenta struggles on, and every ground type because of levitate and can kill great tusk with energy ball+tera ghost to prevent rapid spin

Im weak to fire types and oger-w is threatened by iron moth, should I drop it for alomomola, samu-h, primarina, walking wake pivot, toxapex, or kanto slowking?

[barren ridge]

and volcorona fiery dance and matches up
volcarona isn't legal, did you mean iron moth?

[frank latch]

I gave up on the last team

https://pokepast.es/4c84afc2ad5f170c

My attempt to make a bulky offense team, the cinderace is replaceable

[stone sierra]

youre 2 mons away from a sample team

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[elder knoll]

This team would be better fully committing to webs. If you want to use Vikavolt put mental herb on it to ensure webs go up and EV it in a way so it can live hits from other common leads.

[eager plaza]

Its really bulky even lives some super effective moves amd kinda only dies to ninetails weather ball, and red card to disrupt the other team like similar to glimmora

[hot dome]

Dude I’m sorry but vikavolt just ain’t it

You need a lot of hazard control to keep it from getting worn down (which tusk isn’t enough for), a way to break through common spdef walls like Gking and Ting Lu, something to make up for its poor speed, and then with all of that, you’ve still got a mon that will likely trade 1 for 1 at best

[sterile jay]

https://pokepast.es/64a72e827fd11523

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile jay]

how is my hyper offense team looking ?

i tested and played a lot around until finding something that would beel comfortable agaisnt problematic mons

blaziken is there for example to go agaisnt people counter leading my glimmora with tinkaton

and darkrai helps a lot dealing with fairy, dragon and psychic types

[pseudo haven]

https://pokepast.es/2901087a5fee5a42

silly team built around ursaluna, I made sure it had enough support as it’s hazards weak and also loses 1/16 of its health each turn so how is it?

[tacit bluff]

nglllll

ursaluna doesn't fit well here

[pseudo haven]

really?

[tacit bluff]

alo for support is an idea but its just like

too slow

[pseudo haven]

well what would be better

[tacit bluff]

and this team doesn't help its case

[pseudo haven]

yeah I did notice the team was pretty slow

how about dragapult over kyurem?

[tacit bluff]

your speed control is there but its not sufficient enough to facilitate ursaluna super well

issue is ursa typically likes a BO team

of some kind

[pseudo haven]

bulky offense

hmm

alright I’ll check that out in samples and try agsin

thank you for the help

[tacit bluff]

yw

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/2368f5e72ce95f08 tried to make an hstack team with tspikes so i can use hex ghold, opinions?

coukd maybe go sinistacha as an extra spin blocker+hex

[arctic frigate]

My face when the opponent also has a meowscarada

[hot dome]

three non-boots mons with zero hazard removal

why do people keep running chomp

[stone sierra]

i thought it was decent on hstack

[hot dome]

this team has zero offensive pressure you have 4 hazard setters, of which all of them overlap with each other

kyurem rips through this team and your defensive core is weak in general, as you have no phys def mons besides ting lu which has no recovery

I don't really know what you were going for here but it does not work

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ce26c021dac97dc9

[hot dome]

I would recommend using a sample team for now to learn how to build balance, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

This team isn't that bad

[arctic frigate]

thats not what i want to hear 😭

not that bad

im going for great

[hot dome]

Your phys def mons are kinda subpar and I'm not a fan of your kyurem mu either

[stone sierra]

im using a sample team as we speak 😭

just wanted to try hstack

[hot dome]

ok well i would recommend using it more and gaining more experience before building

[stone sierra]

besides im using a BO list

[arctic frigate]

I also build somethng else 1s i liked that better

[hot dome]

ok then im not sure why you posted this one

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/47ec608f0d3c2238

cuz i also want to try hazard stack but have trouble fitting everything

Ting lu tera water so i can play vs sun

[hot dome]

speed control is kinda suspect but other than that seems to be a solid team

watch out for primarina as well, you don't really have anything to answer it

[arctic frigate]

i have zama my beloved

and iceshard

ur right on prim tho

[hot dome]

zama doesn't outspeed most boosted threats

[arctic frigate]

true

what would u suggest

[hot dome]

eh i dont think the team necessarily needs a change just to be careful when playing against threats like dnite and to keep your checks healthy (skarm, zamazenta)

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/da5d5c20caf63216

Tried making offence ||again||

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[simple perch]

https://pokepast.es/534fe5d7a2fc1213

[frank latch]

https://pokepast.es/abb0394bd5dac0ae

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/c0d038ffa21fa12c

[hot dome]

-gterrain
-eq user

[hot dome]

i do not understand why half your team has life orb nor why you are running a sun team with two tera hogs on it but this aint it

sun's best mon is wake by like a mile and you should always try to fit it

shocks kinda trash ngl doesn't really offer much and has horrible mus into common spdef wall ting lu

banded tusk is pretty meh since both of its stabs can be walled with relatively little scouting

ddance pult ass + doesn't fit here anyways

and im not sure why you have stone edge on torkoal when spin is a much better option

ngl just feels like you don't know how to really build sun so i would recommend using the sample sun for now its pretty good

https://pokepast.es/796bf2bd36e89d42

also the name is really weird please don't send another team with a name like that

[low phoenix]

this team seems fine, just switch stealth rock for a coverage move tho like fire fang/stone edge on garchomp

[hot dome]

wait why is there rocks on chomp

you are asking to be walled by corv

[gritty lake]

How without rocks?

Ho*

[hot dome]

m8 you're webs

[gritty lake]

I thought the webs without rocks thing was a joke

[hot dome]

no?

you should probably play more of the tier then

before building'

webs without rocks is by fair the most popular style of webs

[gritty lake]

Ok

I played a lot of early sv

[elder knoll]

if you have rocks on webs it’s because you have a second dedicated utility guy

like treads

[hot dome]

ok well you should probably play a lot of now sv

instead of 2 years ago sv

[gritty lake]

👍

[low phoenix]

i think that moltres is an easy replace for corv as moltres is much less passive on offensive teams

[frank latch]

I forgot

That was an interaction

What do I do

I never notice it really

[silver river]

Using moltres as a defog-er and slow pivot feels bad man idk, that flame body is kinda heat tho, i will make the switch and play a couple matches.

[gritty lake]

It doesn't get Defoh this gen

[round portal]

made this team in like 5 minutes but it was sorta cooking in ladder https://pokepast.es/03a60fd57adffd40

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

Me when I don't hv a kyurem switch

[round portal]

I’ll just switch diff on it frfr

Ya but I prob do need one

Maybe zama

[nocturne sable]

Why are you running 4 ice weak mons on the same team

[elder knoll]

average Gen 9 team

[alpine furnace]

Doesnt help that freeze dry and earth powerr exist either.

[round portal]

playing psyspam made me unable to teambuild defensively😔

[elder knoll]

are you the psyspam iron boulder guy

[round portal]

yes 😔

did u face me?

[elder knoll]

Do you remember going against a Dirge stall

[round portal]

uhh

user?

[elder knoll]

Pinkstorks

[round portal]

not in my replays 😔

did i win? :3

[elder knoll]

I don’t remember tbh

I have a bad history with psyspam though so prob

[round portal]

ogerpon too broken against stall haha

[elder knoll]

nah bro at least you weren’t that damn

Hoopa + TR psyspam

[round portal]

😭 sounds like a plan

[elder knoll]

or the specs Hoopa + sd u turn pon

😭

[round portal]

finna boutta add lifeorb hoopa and ruin every fat user's life 😭

[elder knoll]

I hate you you’re promoted to my 5th greatest ladder opp

[round portal]

long time ago?

[round portal]

😔

[elder knoll]

anyways before we get yelled at by Faya

Your team is really weird because it’s progress making is kinda all over the place?

You don’t have any scary hitters really

you have a knock scarf meow but don’t have spikes to benefit from it

[round portal]

i dont have knock scarf meow i think

maybe i was just testing that out for ogerpon

[elder knoll]

made this team in like 5 minutes but it was sorta cooking in ladder https://pokepast.es/03a60fd57adffd40

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[elder knoll]

that was ur team right?

fuck

😭

imma get cooked

[round portal]

oh that ye

i suck at building offence

[elder knoll]

anyways this looks like it could benefit from a spikes guy

[round portal]

maybe garg?

does garg learn spikes?

[elder knoll]

no

[round portal]

oh oops

thinking abt ting prob haha

[elder knoll]

Yeah in place of heatran maybe

you could also drop the Mola for something more aggressive asw

[round portal]

maybe pon?

[elder knoll]

sure

[round portal]

would iron treads>tusk be good here to have a better kyurem matchup?

like av treads

[elder knoll]

that’s possible yeah

rocks on someone else then though

[round portal]

guys hear me out, spikes ogerpon

[stone sierra]

what are your breakers?

[round portal]

i feel like using pon+meow is too much offensive overlap

[round portal]

heatran and pult

[low phoenix]

ogerpon or wogerpon?

spikes is definitely viable on wogerpon

[round portal]

wogerpon

[low phoenix]

yea

spikes is a good move

[round portal]

alr bet

horn leech or power whip

does this look better? https://pokepast.es/28602d8f7ce6d251

[stone sierra]

https://pokepast.es/a2df865d0304674a

[pseudo haven]

what about spikes on teal?

I feel like she has great utility and can see niche usage on hazardstack

https://pokepast.es/c1fc48f9af73159d

like on this team I made!

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/acf2eaa38df9e638 any tips

[nocturne sable]

What are those hydrapple evs? Why are you running modest with 16 special attack evs

[stone sierra]

Stole it from a sample team

[pseudo haven]

guys…?

[magic walrus]

it has been one of the EVs that hydra runs (for some reasons)

[vernal light]

ive been trying to build a balance team around muk because lowkey muk can do hard countering, im also trying a defensive core of zamazenta-muk, any thoughts on how i can improve/adjust my team to the current meta https://pokepast.es/3eecf097bfd1d697

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gritty lake]

https://pokepast.es/d6423468c3afcc5d modest eball is just to beat hsamu 😭 😭

[nocturne sable]

This team kinda struggles into dengo as it just comes in for free on corv and you don’t really have any switch ins

Idk about Muk on balance since it’s primarily seen on stall. But that Muk set specifically gets walled by dengo

I’m fact, I don’t really know what spdef muk accomplishes

[vernal light]

it counters special/physical valiant, with dpunch it can do strong damage against unsuspecting gambit

[elder knoll]

[vernal light]

actually i might go tera ground with shadow sneak or knock

[gritty lake]

just use alolan muk

av

[elder knoll]

just don’t use Muk

[gritty lake]

that too

[gritty lake]

lead deo-s is so underrated

modest still outspeeds +1 tusk and samu

[nocturne sable]

I mean tbh most people would expect drain punch Muk, also

+2 252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Muk: 396-466 (95.6 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[elder knoll]

Muk is like the featured shitmon

even on stall

which is known for running 5 real pokemon + 1 shitmon

so like if you’re actually expecting Muk to do something

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low phoenix]

is muk even good anymore

it hasnt been on the vr for a long time