SV OU Rates

[stray quest]

yeah kinda true i havent played OU in a while been go around random tiers for the past few months

what mons are good on veil if not for big sweepers

[hot dome]

they aren't reliable sweepers

• pecha isn't even a sweeper and the kyurem set isn't good either

like i said, use samples for now

[stray quest]

pecha nice with sweepers with parting shot, no?

[hot dome]

Not on veil

[thorn sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/30ff81145b1e92f3
great tusk feels bad but want the hazard removal

[nocturne sable]

I don’t think this team really synergizes at all

-Why is there a random toxic spikes Gliscor

-Yours mons have no bulk or speed control at all

-Mimikyu and Ceruledge aren’t really that good especially as wincons

-you have no special attackers, which means this team doesn’t really have any way of breaking physical walls

Wait I just peeped your scizor and araquanid aren’t fully EVed

I think using sample teams would probably be best

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/06959ca21e41f291 Need sugestions for this BO/Balance (im not too sure if it is balance)

[thorn sorrel]

Stack one type of attacker it's the monotype strat

Like maget dragons in gen 4 or whatever

Mimikyu pretty much always gets +2 and ceruledge is almost as consistent... (issue) but either dose what can be graciously called eff tons of damage

Mimikyu having red card can just set up in front of any wall that's not moltres or zapdos need something with rocks to throw at them also switching gliscor probably for stealth rock anhilape

Wait anhilape is Ubers...

Vgc player in ou ;-;

[nocturne sable]

Not really the same thing since your team structure is basically unviable

[runic nebula]

Problem is that Mimikyu is straight up just bad even at +2

[nocturne sable]

Mimikyu can get +2 yea, but it still doesn’t have good breaking power

Hence why it’s not a good wincon

[thorn sorrel]

Y

[runic nebula]

If your opponent manages to keep hazards up or has priority then Ceruledge just loses

[thorn sorrel]

Not just tons of damage

[thorn sorrel]

New team has cinderace with court change for that reason

[runic nebula]

That doesn’t really fix the problem

And actually if anything

Probably just makes it more awkward

Because now you can’t justify having tspikes or webs

[thorn sorrel]

Thought it would be as well

[runic nebula]

Because that makes Mimikyu and Ceruledge worse off

[thorn sorrel]

Kinda just dosent

And gliscor is useless ignore him... kinda who I'm looking to replace

Ceruledge also on chopping block because while positioning him is really easy him doing anything is Inconsistent at best

Prio is the main issue

[nocturne sable]

I basically summarized in the previous message

-wincons aren’t really good

-no speed control or bulk with this team

-team has no breaking power

• a lot of unviable mons+sets(mimikyu, toxic spikes max speed Gliscor, etc)

[thorn sorrel]

Bruh
I'm not disagreeing 😢

I'm saying the issues and what playing the team feels weak

[thorn sorrel]

^

[nocturne sable]

Thought you were asking why

[thorn sorrel]

At first yeh took to long lol

[nocturne sable]

Yea just use the sample teams to ladder and become familiar with the tier

[thorn sorrel]

That's not helpful

Opposite actually

[nocturne sable]

Really? Most of the times sample teams are usually user friendly

[runic nebula]

Sample teams are there to be helpful to players new to the metagame

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/07b46e3509f9094c do I need more removal for this team?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[nocturne sable]

I think the main problem with this team is that it’s very passive and has no offensive pressure

I don’t think rest ting Lu is needed, you’re better off running spikes

Are you trying to build like a BO team or something?

[hot dome]

It’s 5-0ed by gliscor and corv can’t do much back

[tacit bluff]

Ye corv and gliscor just stare at each other

Albeit eventually glisc breaks through with swords dance boosts cause this isn't iron defence

[tacit bluff]

Prim should be ok-ish

Psychic noise stops the chip heal

But it's also slower than gliscor with that spread so you're taking two hits

Spread is kinda wonky

I assume Tera ghost is for facade but eh it's kinda dicey especially cause knock is right there

[low phoenix]

tera normal for facade gliscor is the standard

[low phoenix]

the changes i wanna make to your team are similar to this sample team so here you go: https://pokepast.es/08eca5b0c815550b

[hot dome]

Toxic gliscor beats 5/6 members of this team

[low phoenix]

^ sorry meant to ping you not racoon

[tacit bluff]

Sd does too tbh

Zama doesn't really do much

[low phoenix]

gliscor just gets in a good positions sword dances tera facades goobs the entire team

[tacit bluff]

Corv sits there

Everyone else dies

[hot dome]

Sd struggles to break Zama + Corv + Prima

Toxic has a field day

[tacit bluff]

Tbf because this isn't iron press corv

Corv is just setup fodder

[hot dome]

It’s still a pressure staller that can force both chip and wear out pp

[tacit bluff]

Fair

[nimble cove]

yeah if u can afford to run tpsike it auto 6-0s a quarter of your matchups

[alpine hornet]

sc sighting in ou rates is crazy

[nimble cove]

just farming smogcord messages so i can get a free custom for that one tour

[stiff nacelle]

havent played this team in a while and i forgot gouging fire is banned but i cant make my mind up for a gouging fire replacement, anyone have any ideas? :3 (https://pokepast.es/4ec69685a4387e58)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

great tusk

your team greatly appreciates hazard removal

[stiff nacelle]

yeah def one of my most compelling choices 😭

true i only have torkoal

[hot dome]

jesus there is an iron boulde ron your team

did you dig this out of the stone age

[stiff nacelle]

yes i did actually LOL

but i love this team very much and dont feel like changing it rn

might in the future

[hot dome]

gouging enamorus boulder all dont fit

(the former for being banned, the latter two for sucking)

[stiff nacelle]

well 1 of the 3 is gone rn so

[low phoenix]

iron boulder is a fraud

dies to kingambit instantly

[stiff nacelle]

but it's my fraud ❤️

LOL

[hot dome]

ok memester you can build the sun team with boulder im dipping

[low phoenix]

im feeling lazy today but ill try lol

[stiff nacelle]

that's all that matters 🙂‍↕️

[low phoenix]

i was going to say

take out iron boulder

replace with some pivot like av slither wing

[stiff nacelle]

fairsies

i also considered it

for my team

don't have much experience /w it though which is why i was reluctant on it 😭

[low phoenix]

and replace enam with another sun abuser (ceruledge raging bolt etc) or eject button hatterene

[stiff nacelle]

right right makes sense 🙂‍↕️

[low phoenix]

honestly you can change torkoal to ninetails

ninetails is faster and has healing wish to give a sweeper another chance

[stiff nacelle]

i forgot that ninetales could have any utility ngl 😭

[low phoenix]

torkoals kinda fallen off as the prime sun setter

it has encore

and healing wish

as its prime utility

[stiff nacelle]

i havent played ou in a while

so i wanted to jump back in with my fave team LOL

but yeah makes sense

[magic walrus]

@low phoenix oh so sample teams updated? i built this team before even realzing but tysm

[pale mortar]

anyone have the link to the SPL sample team?

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/0c53e077a97fe5fe I feel like I need more priority on this team, am I wrong?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

The team is a little all over the place
What style do you want to play

[tepid hazel]

Probably gonna swap meows for ace

Anyways yeah I want to play offense

With a bunch of fast pivots and some strong breakers

https://pokepast.es/530f8c2849aba021

Revised version of the team

[trail whale]

I'd run Specs Pult Booster Val here
DD Pult is not very good and Offense teams really want the more effective speed control Specs Pult + Booster Val offers.

You have no ground immunity so Tusk -> LandoT also works well

[tepid hazel]

But then I lose my priority

[trail whale]

Why do you need priority though

Booster Val will get you more revenge kills than Vacuum Wave and Sucker Punch combined probably

[tepid hazel]

I see

https://pokepast.es/43f7caf305517832 how would you rate the team /10 now?

[empty verge]

Worried about the opposing Ogerpon matchup

[tepid hazel]

I’ll js win the speedtie like a chad

That was so corny I’m sorry

[empty verge]

Lmao I think you can do

[tepid hazel]

I’m ngl

I don’t even know how to better the ogerpon mu

on offense

It’s not like I can put on sinistcha or some shit

[empty verge]

A Dragonite somewhere here maybe over pult Val is fine after you don’t need both as speed control

[tepid hazel]

Tflying blast?

[empty verge]

I think gambit > Pon might be the move too as it helps you vs dark types like weavile, Darkai, and help vs ghold

Dragonite @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Normal
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Extreme Speed
• Ice Spinner

Can do roost asw if you want

[tepid hazel]

idt this helps the pon matchup enough

[empty verge]

It does

[tepid hazel]

uhhh

[empty verge]

It can potentially dd on it

Just run roost

[tepid hazel]

Roost works definitely

Thanks

[empty verge]

Np

[tepid hazel]

Would gambit + dnite be necessary tho

Cos I feel like a breaker might be better

[empty verge]

Gambit helps vs the darks and gold like I mentioned

Can do black glasses lum or air balloon here

[tepid hazel]

Do I have to run low kick for the darks?

[empty verge]

You can but you don’t have to

Makes you better into opposing gambit more than anything else

Since you have a prim you aren’t as pressed to run lum since prim can take wisp for it

So you can feasibly run black glasses for some form of immediate power

[tepid hazel]

ok

Thanks

[empty verge]

Sure thing

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/1387e326beec3ad0 everyone’s favorite lesbian couple, journeying from UU to OU together to help balance overcome the challenges that it faces from all these oppressive attackers

[low phoenix]

kinda rough matchup vs kingambit

you can switch darkrai with keldeo or zamazenta if youd like

[hot dome]

...pecha?

[low phoenix]

oh

oversaw it lol

i meant kingambit over zama lmao

you have enough tools for kingambit though so changing rai might not be necessary

[small rock]

https://pokepast.es/f70c217d6e5bb559

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[small rock]

Ive been getting farmed on latter so either this team is ass or im ass

probably both cant lie

i dont really see what can be done to improve so suggestions would be much appreiciated 🙏

[empty verge]

I think you are selling yourself short your team looks quite decent at first glance but some small fixes will help you

Firstly make ting lu lefties I really appreciated that passive recovery even though it’s small

Roost > ice spinner on dnite gives you a more consistent answer defensively for Ogerpon-W while also still being threatening late game.

Ice fang > heavy slam on zama is allows you to threaten Gliscor, Lando, etc

You don’t really need heavy slam since you have ghold to check Val and clef etc

If rotom feels meh to you you can do Slowking Galar in that slot

[small rock]

do u think lefties or boots is better with no removal?

[empty verge]

Lefties is still fine

[small rock]

this is nice too, should i go d-tail defensive and give up on dd or nah?

ty for help

[empty verge]

Nah dd is perfectly fine

[small rock]

rotoms felt surprisingly good, i wanted to try it cause it seems good into Tusk and a lot of other top mons rn. Tera steel also completely walls some things like kyurem and d-nite which is really funny

[empty verge]

Ye fs

Lmk how this goes

I’ll be here if anything

[small rock]

ok ty

[empty verge]

Anytime

[small rock]

also play rough oger has been smoking me

idk if thats just a coniecidnce or if its getting more popular but

very annoying going d-nite and dying to knock into play rough 😭

[empty verge]

Zama also can check pon the first time

So don’t fear that too much

[small rock]

true yeah

[empty verge]

You got the tools to beat it

[small rock]

i guess i gotta just get out of the like robot going to the answer habits i have

[empty verge]

Yeah sometimes some clicks take more thought than others

[small rock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2341506019

this game was like worst case

oger into d-nite

both being THE set that smokes me

even tusk was like worst case into my team, dont like to chalk things up to MU and luck and stuff but genuienly i dont see what i shouldve done there. Is lead D-nite dumb into likely lead ogers>

?

[empty verge]

Def not always Lead into something that will force oger out

You always want to do that vs a mon you are “weak” to

Also your dnite is supposed to to have roost now

Oh it might be an old replay

Feel free to bring this to #comp-general I don’t wanna flood here (if you want replay feedback in general)

[small rock]

Yeah

[small rock]

Ok yeah smart my bad

ty for the help

[empty verge]

Np!

[silver river]

I asked DeepSeek to make me a Webs calm mind Hoopa-U team.
It looks good.

https://pokepast.es/23b94e3b6b685b60

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

I have no idea where those gambit EVs are from, but that's what the machine overlords told me to put down.

[tacit bluff]

We only rate teams you made yourself

And regardless hoopa isn't that great of a setup sweeper

Finding opportunities to setup with a pokemon that physically frail is rough

Araqs Evs are also a bit suboptimal and sash is usually not the item of choice cause araq is bulky enough to live most hits

And some other stuff like tusks set is definitely a bit odd for this kind of team

Although I'd just say build the team yourself

[silver river]

Damn, just assume i made it then 😅

[silver river]

🥲

[barren ridge]

Do not post AI teams. It is a waste of our rater’s time to review them here and it adds nothing of value to the conversation in the general competitive channels

If you aren’t making your own team and having your own team rated you aren’t learning what you did wrong and improving

It entirely defeats the purpose

[proven schooner]

hi

Shiftry @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Quick Attack
• Endeavor
• Will-O-Wisp
• Protect

Rillaboom @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Rest
• Sleep Talk
• Grassy Glide
• Bulk Up

Dachsbun @ Leftovers
Ability: Aroma Veil
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature

• Substitute
• Rest
• Sleep Talk
• Tera Blast

Inteleon
Ability: Sniper
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snipe Shot
• Protect
• Light Screen
• Reflect

Azumarill @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature

• Belly Drum
• Alluring Voice
• Facade
• Blizzard

Frosmoth @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Shield Dust
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Powder Snow
• Blizzard
• Snowscape
• Protect

good team or no?

[tacit bluff]

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

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[proven schooner]

ik it isnt ou mons but its allowed in ou

[tacit bluff]

but looking at these mons

this is, bad

[proven schooner]

...

what tier

i want to play unconventional mons

[tacit bluff]

frosmoth intelleon dascbun and shiftry are all unviable and the other two are not the best mons either

[proven schooner]

i thought inteleon was good

[tacit bluff]

intelleon is PUBL

[proven schooner]

oh ok

[tacit bluff]

its outclassed by at least 10 other water type attackers

[proven schooner]

what about the unconventional mons thing?

[tacit bluff]

these sets are also frankly, not viable

[proven schooner]

is there a way to win uu?

[tacit bluff]

these mons would struggle in UU as well

[proven schooner]

what about the endeavor shiftry

if pursuit was in 9 it would be good

[tacit bluff]

thats a gimmick strat thats hardly consistent nor effective

[proven schooner]

oh lol

those strats are fun

[tacit bluff]

plus shiftry is just, bad

fun, sure, good? no

[proven schooner]

any better mons that can do same strat

[tacit bluff]

well, no because the strategy is just bad

[proven schooner]

ok

................

sorry...

[tacit bluff]

araquanid runs endeavour but its not trying to be a FEAR copium its just a suicide lead for webs

that carries endeavour as a means to trade with the opposing lead

[proven schooner]

fear GOAT u mean lol

jkjk

[tacit bluff]

I would reccomend a sample team if ur tryna build for OU

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[proven schooner]

is it good in natdex

[tacit bluff]

nah

[proven schooner]

i want to make my own team

wait is the rilaboomgood?

[tacit bluff]

thats all well and good but these 6 pokemon are all either not viable or are running unviable sets, often both

[magic walrus]

Descended to UU

[proven schooner]

i mean the moveset

[tacit bluff]

sample teams help you familiarise yourself with the format to have a better understanding of whats good

no that moveset is

bleh

[proven schooner]

BLEH LOL

[tacit bluff]

rest talk? only attack is grassy glide?

[proven schooner]

i like gimmick strats

[tacit bluff]

like this entire team is begging for iron moth to tear through it

[proven schooner]

ive never even SEEN an iron moth

[tacit bluff]

thats fine and all but this channel is for us to help you make a viable optimised team

iron moth sits at a pretty good 10-12% usage on ladder and is a staple on offence, not to mention all the other mons that are incredibly threatening into this squad of 6

[proven schooner]

ok can u help make this team viable with the resttalk on one mon with better other moves and chesto berry and recycle (if recycle even in gen9)

[tacit bluff]

well, the thing is I'd have to build you a team from scratch and atp I would again just reccomend a sample

I do have to go btw but yeah my couple cents for this team are its not good, and nearly all of these mons are difficult to make work, except rilla who even then isn't amazing

[proven schooner]

is it ok to gen mons with sysbot for regionals as long as legal set?

for vgc

or at least use sysbot to transfer without bank

[barren ridge]

Not the channel for this, #comp-general

[proven schooner]

ok

[compact owl]

https://pokepast.es/95ae7cfe4170a106 can someone rate my spikestack?

[low phoenix]

your team would appreciate a spinblocker, perhaps sinistcha would take this role in your team over raging bolt

tinkaton over great tusk and dragonite over corviknight

[exotic forum]

https://pokepast.es/60652803e91e58aa
ive been trying to get into competitive pokemon and this is the first real team ive built up. the pokemon are from a team i had in a romhack but ive tried my best to adapt it to PvP battles. any and all help/advice/improvements are greatly appreciated

[nocturne sable]

Ima keep it a buck with you, this team has a lot of unviable sets/mons that don’t match up well in OU. If you’re new to the metagame there are some sample teams you could use to help familiarize yourself with the metagame and what’s good and what’s not

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[exotic forum]

ah alright

thank you

just for the record, can you point out the pokemon, if any, that are viable?

because ive seen araquanid used

[low phoenix]

just look at the viability rankings

[nocturne sable]

If you’re speaking generally there is a viability rankings that shows which mons are viable or not

[exotic forum]

oh no i meant from the team i sent

[low phoenix]

id say anything at least B+ and up is not niche

[nocturne sable]

Araquanid and tinkaton are viable, the rest are…. Niche at best

[exotic forum]

alright thank you

[low phoenix]

^

[compact owl]

got it

Do any of the other sets need to be changed?

[low phoenix]

triple axel > icicle crash on weavile

[opaque shale]

https://pokepast.es/1dccd0cde84e8959 please help i am newish

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

This team feels a bit over the place.

Pex + Corv wants to be on super bulky comps.
Boots Weavile + Gholdengo works ideally with hazard stack
And Booster Tusk is basically ho/offense exclusive. Washtom is also a bit awkward as only speed control without a powerful defensive core.

For example the team is very weak to mons like Raging Bolt, Specs Kyurem/Dragapult, Iron Moth, and Waterpon

I'd highly recommend using a sample team to get a better idea of synergy in teambuilding and playstyles

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[opaque shale]

Thanks for the feedback i appreciate it, any advice or tips other than just using a sample team, id like to improve on my teambuilding and ideally like to build my own

Do you think i should veer away from the rotom or tusk

[empty verge]

Yeah that comes with using well built teams you learn to build the understanding of what goes together because you build familiarity and you learn stuff playing against other decently built teams on ladder

On average it’s takes a few weeks to a month to even grasp some good understanding on team building if you haven’t before

[trail whale]

^
The general advice I can give you is to choose a teamstyle before adding to the core or Pokemon you want to build around

[opaque shale]

Well i do like the toxapex and corv combo i feel like they do work, ideally i think i was leaning towards a bulky stall team but was trying to fill holes

I was using rowash as a fast lead to scout to pivot out to either corv tusk or toxapex

I had some “success” with this team

https://pokepast.es/d0d34b79226b5d4c

but amoongus felt unviable

[trail whale]

In simple terms
You'll have more success dedicating to full stall or not trying to use stall cores at all

[opaque shale]

You wouldnt recommend having a frail fast sweeper on the team aswell?

[trail whale]

Yeah

The closest is semi-stall using a powerful breaker instead but I'm not confident in its viability in the current meta

[exotic forum]

https://pokepast.es/1cdbcd5a5c9734f6 ok what about this

still new. wanted ceruledge on the team. besides that i used the smogon website to build a sun team with it.

[nocturne sable]

Better, but Dragapult matchup here is a worry, especially specs pult since you basically have no Draco meteor switch ins

And hazard stack just rips you open even more

Its one of the few reasons sun teams run Hatterene, so hatterene should probably be there

[low phoenix]

You just out offense dragapult

[exotic forum]

how much do type overlaps affect teams? thats basically the reason i didnt add a hatterene

[low phoenix]

This is a sun team defensive utility often comes secondary in these types of teams

[low phoenix]

It’s generally acceptable if you have mons that can cover for their weaknesses

Like for example tusk ting Lu or corviknight gliscor

[nocturne sable]

Ye ik but don’t stuff like slither wing essentially give entry for pult

[low phoenix]

Pult has shadow ball

Hatterene is not safe

[low phoenix]

Sun plays very similarly to hyper offense you just sack a Mon if you have no choice and move your next offensive threat

If you want a reference here is the current sample sun team

https://pokepast.es/796bf2bd36e89d42

[nocturne sable]

Yea ik the sample one had hatterene on it

I think the team posted was the same thing but they swapped hatterene>AV slither wing

I was just thinking it would be easier to just have Hatterene there.

And they switched around the Tera’s abit

[low phoenix]

eh sun tends to have similar mons built around it

hatterene is fine

but slither wing works too

[nocturne sable]

Hmm fair enough

[exotic forum]

soo im fine with not adding hatterene?

[low phoenix]

if youre having trouble with hazard control feel free to add it

but slither wing is a good pivot in sun teams and can get your offensive mons in safely

also provides a nice ground resist and priority vs mons like darkrai

[exotic forum]

alright

[opaque shale]

So i made this, thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/95b86edf798cdf25

Any advice from anyone would help

[trail whale]

Before I say anything, what's your idea

[opaque shale]

Just stall and wall everything i can

I know im missing knockoff

[trail whale]

Like the Pokemon

Why those pokemon specifically
Slowbro for example seems like it overlaps a lot with Toxapex

[empty verge]

Many issues here firstly no boots on skele this makes you much much worse into stuff like iron moth and ival.

2. This team gets completely booned by Ogerpon. It just clicks water and grass stab if it grabs an SD it’s pretty much over.

3. You also lose to opposing fat like Gliscor hazard stack and Weezing galar balance.

[opaque shale]

Do you suggest something else?

[empty verge]

I really suggest you run samples as of rn instead of trying to build with lack of understanding of what actually goes together

Otherwise we end up building for you which rating is making fixes to a potentially viable team.

[opaque shale]

So basically youre saying this team is completely unviable

[nocturne sable]

This is just a shitty stall team essentially

[empty verge]

Correct

[opaque shale]

Gah damn

Ngl thought i was cooking

Im out here microwaving

[heady urchin]

https://pokepast.es/4e1aafe9f1a3e10d hit 1795 (top 200) on ladder with this

New additions are quick claw over elec seed and swords dance over eq, everything else is pretty much the same

[opaque shale]

Im thinking of swapping out slowbro for clodsire and ting lu for blissey

[nocturne sable]

You can just use the double defog stall team with corv gweez and co

[low phoenix]

I think you cooked with that team ngl but at the same time electric terrain is ultra niche so i don’t think I or any rater can rate it conventionally XD

[hot dome]

You were told multiple times to stop posting in this channel if you are not willing to take advice, and this still remains

This is not a place to showcase teams, post it in the SV OU RMT forum on smogon instead

[digital sonnet]

https://pokepast.es/509b21cc360e92f4

I’ve wanted to build around lokix + gambit

Cinderace for removal and a little speed,
pech to answer oger, zama, and pivot
Gliscor for stallbreaking and everything else that freak does
Crown for a kyurem switch in and immediate power

[fallow garden]

you want tusk+cind band kix

or a fog guy

idl sd scor being your special switch in

[empty verge]

1. Make crown av with future sight

2.drop gambit for zama with ice fang for Gliscor (you need speed control and zama is a good mon to take advantage of future sight.

3. Taunt max speed with rocks Lando > Gliscor better fit as this style is geared towards volt turn. Future sight + Lokix + zama is annoying to deal with for fat.

Taunt Lando should help with the hazard problem + ace

If not great tusk and then running moltres as your flying type is a viable option as well as takes pressure of of crown to check stuff like ival and also gives you a much better matchup into ghold.

There is two ways to go depending on if it wants to be balance or volt turn offense looking at it rn it’s kinda iffy to tell.

[proven schooner]

https://pokepast.es/7c2e8d8b12027a93

made a new ou team

https://pokepast.es/b6e894b45131550f

new link bc last one was wrong

prob gonna give dragapult focus sash

[digital sonnet]

focus sash substitute?

[fallow garden]

there are

numeros issues

that make me think you don't really know what your doing

[digital sonnet]

leftovers chansey over either eviolite or just blissey

[fallow garden]

i would suggest looking over the vr and sample teams to become aquantied with the meta game before building again

[digital sonnet]

meteor beam on clef over just moonblast

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[digital sonnet]

i just noticed ddance dragapult with no attacks

[proven schooner]

i just want u to help me fix :(

oh oops mustve made an error

[fallow garden]

it has u turn!

[proven schooner]

lol

sorry

[fallow garden]

dragon rush is very bad

80% acu is ass

[proven schooner]

oh

[fallow garden]

dnite really wants boots

[proven schooner]

didnt see accu

[fallow garden]

and often doesnt even run dragon move

[proven schooner]

oh ok ty

can u help me fix

[fallow garden]

Glenna (Dragonite) (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Earthquake
• Extreme Speed
• Ice Spinner

[proven schooner]

ok ty

[fallow garden]

this is standard dnite set

[proven schooner]

can u do the others too

[fallow garden]

chans doesnt really fit on webs, nor is it really good in ou

[proven schooner]

ok

change to blissey?

[fallow garden]

blissey also doesnt fit on webs

[digital sonnet]

is the mono substitute on purpose or was that just kinda filler

[fallow garden]

nor does clef

[digital sonnet]

webs wants a bunch of fast paced threats

[proven schooner]

filler

[digital sonnet]

clef and chansey or blissey are too slow to take advantage of them

[proven schooner]

ok

[digital sonnet]

sub iiron moth can work with webs

[empty verge]

Ya all in all

[proven schooner]

cool ty

[empty verge]

I highly recommend you use samples

[digital sonnet]

but you want fiery dance, sludge wave, and then the last move you can pick whatever

[fallow garden]

they said they didnt want to 🫠

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[empty verge]

Here are all ou resources!

[proven schooner]

can i build custom team based on sets already made

[digital sonnet]

yeah

[proven schooner]

ok

[empty verge]

You won’t get help unfortunately we help players how already have a decent understanding of the meta

[digital sonnet]

araquanid, iron moth, gholdengo, iron valiant is a good start to a webs team

[empty verge]

That’s required for us to rate properly

[proven schooner]

ok can i ask someone on twitch

[digital sonnet]

something like these?
https://pokepast.es/440d1e84b318555f
https://pokepast.es/393d728d7699fc53

[empty verge]

Yep!

Test between the two see which one you like better

Best of luck

[proven schooner]

v

https://pokepast.es/96c298fc888befac

[digital sonnet]

i think i might go with the moltres tusk one just because im used to using those with lokix but i'll have to see i dont use tusk or cinder much

[proven schooner]

improved?

[digital sonnet]

id say drop protect on moth

[proven schooner]

ok

replace with what

[digital sonnet]

id say dazzling gleam

[proven schooner]

https://pokepast.es/dc5dfacdeeb7fca5

ok

already changed

[digital sonnet]

also you can maybe swap dragapult for raging bolt

[proven schooner]

ok

[digital sonnet]

bolt is a really good webs abuser

besides that it looks fine id say

[proven schooner]

Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Thunderbolt

Raging Bolt @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Volt Switch
• Dragon Pulse
• Taunt

ok ty!

which one?

[digital sonnet]

first one

[proven schooner]

ok

[empty verge]

Gotcha

[proven schooner]

https://pokepast.es/d71c29e7070541ad do u think i can win a custom avatar tournament with this

[digital sonnet]

idk about thta

[proven schooner]

the team i just built

[fallow garden]

no 💀

those require multipule teams

and also

more importantly

good play

[proven schooner]

ok

i meant when i get good plays

[fallow garden]

uh

no

idts

[proven schooner]

idts?

[fallow garden]

but then again

i am a hater

i dont think so

[proven schooner]

ok

if i was a better writer id enter the short story contest

if i win the official smogon ou will i get the avi

[hot dome]

very interesting to pick a webs team that loses 4-0 to ting lu

[proven schooner]

also is it once per year or once per 2 years for custom?

[hot dome]

rocks on tusk kinda useless when you already have webs, not sure why you also have scarf ghold + booster val

[proven schooner]

what should i change to counter ting lu

i used samples

[hot dome]

as in sample team or sample set

[proven schooner]

sample set

[hot dome]

ok well make sure next time to read their analyses

[proven schooner]

ok'

i mean showdown official

[hot dome]

anyways frankly most changes i would make push you towards the current webs sample

so i would recommend you it instead

https://pokepast.es/8dd33e431d9baf52

to be frank, you are not going to win a custom with this team, or reaslitically any time with the current knowldege you seem to have of the metagame

i would recommend simply playing to build your skill first before expecting to win a custom

its sometimes a multi year process, dont expect it to be easy

[proven schooner]

can i change manaphy for something easier to get in sv

i want to recreate it in switch

[hot dome]

no idea whats available on switch, this is for sv ou

[proven schooner]

ok

Can i still ENTER tournaments with my team for fun

even if i dont win

[digital sonnet]

probably but id recommend joining a draft league or something

[proven schooner]

yeah i was gonna enter the draft

[digital sonnet]

went with the moltres version and i think my only problem is that its kinda weak to darkrai

[empty verge]

Can do Tera dark on pecha

But playing carefully there shouldn’t be too much issues since zama kinda checks it and lokix revenge kills

[digital sonnet]

Yeah it’s just kinda hard to switch around since I don’t want zama getting poisoned by sludge or anything like that

I was fighting a scarf one and I didn’t realize it was and it ended up teraing and poisoning my zama

I might do tera dark pech

[hot dome]

o yeah most tourneys are open to everyone

just odnt expect to start winning them right away, yknow

[empty verge]

Good thing about scarf it’s much easier to play around

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/8202307abda15d9e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

tried building gzap

[low phoenix]

What is g zapdos doing in this team

He doesn’t belong in a hazard stack

[digital sonnet]

I assume it’s so defiant can try and punish defog?

Idk how good it’ll be into corv either way

[echo rampart]

what defog..

boy if u dont put a gholdengo on that team rn

team looks cool, i think twave tinkaton rlly saps momentum for a "spikes stack" team like this

u prob want knock or even ice hammer instead to punish all the grounds that come in for free otherwise

unless ur based and double to weavile or walking wave every time

best bet is just replace gapdos with old reliable zamazenta

[digital sonnet]

I was thinking that but I think knock on gapdos could be helpful

Maybe swapping weavile for a knock off darkrai could help

[echo rampart]

can always do pickpocket tinka asw

fwiw gapdos isnt terrible but its certainly not good and i wouldnt recommend it

[tacit bluff]

its a mon

for sure

its a decent wallbreaker and defiant is cool for pokes like pecha and lando but otherwise its

ehhhh

[echo rampart]

yea teams like this dont need to go out of their way for knock; opposing teams are already gonna have 1 or 2 dedicated knock absorbers

and u have to overwhelm those first

u can have 6 mons with knock off but that doesnt matter if theyre just gonna go zama on it everytime anyway

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/a7969537b818a8c3 not quite sure why this doesn't feel right for balance.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine furnace]

Corviknight is probably gonna be a problem.

https://pokepast.es/125836a780df6411 tried to decide why I should run pecharunt > zap. Ultimately concluded that zap may be more useful for my team.

[alpine hornet]

team looks mostly fine but I honestly really don’t like mola here, inviting in pon on a balance 6 with no switchins is rough and you don’t really have any mons that really appreciate wish

i’d drop mola for pex here honestly, gives u a fat water regen but a lot better of a pon answer

and i always prefer chargeturn zap to voltwave but that’s personal preference

[alpine furnace]

Chargeturn? Ah discharge gotcha.

https://pokepast.es/c679f46b8942fd02 like this? Or is AV pex better

Wait

Didn't mean to keep ghold, tho now that its there, would air balloon ghold be better than zap here? Or no

https://pokepast.es/f5fa2efa3c1b6c2b

[barren ridge]

#comp-general message

[nocturne sable]

I think AV pex>boots pex

[alpine furnace]

What is the set for AV pex. I've never used it. I figured lunge > chilling water because of ogerpon.

https://pokepast.es/7b3ed701ee5d57a6

[nocturne sable]

Make it max spatk with
Infestation
Sludge bomb
surf
Ice beam

[low phoenix]

dont use av toxapex in bootspam

hazards cut into its bulk very easily

[alpine furnace]

So standard boots set then

[low phoenix]

no

pex only fits on fat/stall teams

because its so passive this gen

[alpine furnace]

Then do I keep alomamola or replace it

[low phoenix]

change it to a spinblocker if youre committing to full hazard stack

sinistcha or pecharunt looks good ove rmola

oh i see another rater who recommended pex

yea tbh i disagree great tusk is the most used pokemon this gen and every hazard stack should have some way to punish rapid spin this gen

[alpine furnace]

Decided cm sinistcha would be best to help deal with tera steel/ghost cm primarina and ogerpon W.

I wanted to avoid a scenario where prim gets cm up, tera's and cleaves through a chunk of the team. If its tera ghost it beats zamazenta. Though in that case weavile is enough to catch it so ig prim wasnt an issue to begin with.

[trail tinsel]

Who has a bulky balance hazard stack team

[barren ridge]

this is not the place to ask for teams

this channel is for having teams you've made and playtested yourself rated and optimized

[trail tinsel]

That’s crazy

Thanks for your help

I will be sure next time to refer to the channel that has teams I can browse, oh wait, that doesn’t exist in this discord. Where do you recommend I look

[barren ridge]

there's a whole suite of commands for it. since you've apparently taken the time to look through the resources I'm sure you've already come across them.

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

prim is a tough matchup for most hazard stack lol

tinkaton + sinistcha should be able to check it tho

[alpine furnace]

Guess I was right in why I chose sinistcha.

[low phoenix]

and tera water scor if all else fails

pecharunt can soft check prim too

it threatens with poison stab

[wide wagon]

https://pokepast.es/c0dd69de44c7e6e0

Been playing around with this team to pretty good succes, has a couple bad matchups though. Loses to cm clef (thought about changing ice punch to gunk shot on hoopa for that), and has a rough but manageable matchup into tera normal sd gliscor.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

this looks fine, i'd make the hoopa set 250 speed with hyperspace knock gunk focus punch, and make tusk tera ice here

you can also try helmet tusk

and another thing you could try that i really like on status spam teams like this is make pult tera ghost and drop ft for hex

[wide wagon]

i was thinking about the focus punch set, but i felt like drain punch was better because it gets a lot of the same ko's even with the lower power and helps hoopa stay alive

probably better though, haven't checked the calcs

[alpine hornet]

drain is also fine here i think, i just like focus for ohkoing lu

definitely drop ipunch and zhb for hyperspace and gunk though

helps a lot w ur problematic mus

[wide wagon]

thx

[alpine hornet]

and make hoopa tera dark too

[wide wagon]

yeah that makes sense, i just liked the bug resist and extra healing on drain punch with tera fight

[wide wagon]

zhb is defo not optimal, i just thought it was really funny getting the ko on tusk switches

[alpine hornet]

eh you could test both, i just think tdark is more generally useful for breaking purposes especially in the stall mu

[wide wagon]

makes sense, i have moltres to punish u-turn anyways

[wide wagon]

i keep forgetting how important the bolt speed tier is until i get hit with a +1 thunderbolt and suddenly im having a lot less fun

[low phoenix]

ripped this team from a ladder game in 1600s, should i add some more anti offense or does it look fine?

https://pokepast.es/75f330a51ee18d69

[trail tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/7c1ae25afe9463f6

Rate?

[nocturne sable]

-your Gliscor EVs aren’t complete

-This team struggles against Tera gambit

-I feel pivot ogerpon kinda feels random here

You’re better off just running wisp>sucker punch

Defog>body press for Corv

Then replace ogerpon with Zamazenta

Probably 4 attack HDB

[alpine furnace]

yeah but I find sinistcha to be better with super effective stab and it doesnt just lose to tera steel.

[elder night]

Just getting into this, and this is my first experience making a team. I tried to use some meta choices. Probably a really bad team though. https://pokepast.es/f02792acbddcd02e

[low phoenix]

what kind of playstyle are you going for?

doesnt seem too bad at a glance but lando isnt really seen in balance

also you should have at least one hazard removal for specs kyu

[nocturne sable]

Drop Lando for a hazard remover to enable specs Kyurem

Tusk is probably a better option

[proven schooner]

Well i win alot of the matches i do

Just changed skill swap to stun spore on ribombee

I even tried Ubers and someone forfeited when battling me

Lol

[hot dome]

keep in mind that you are in low ladder

[proven schooner]

Oh ok

[hot dome]

where most people will not be skilled/play good teams

[proven schooner]

Actually not that low in ou

In ubers yes

How do i check

Ok maybe pretty low but not THAT low

Like it was better yesterday

[hot dome]

Mid ladder doesn’t start to 1500

[proven schooner]

Ohhh ok

I still feel like im doing pretty good

For only having the team for a day

Also how do i get global voice? I forget

[elder night]

Sounds good, what would a good moveset and EV spread look like for hazard removal with tusk? I imagine knock off/stealth rock/headlong rush/rapid spin would be ideal along with 252 atk/252 spe/4 def.

[elder night]

I don’t really know what I’m going for, I do want a couple support and at least one SpA and Atk sweeper each. I want a good balance.

I do like how I can lead Gal-Slowking to setup a snow, then get a free switch for ice Tera kyu to use ice beam and freeze dry, if that’s indicative of any play style

[low phoenix]

if you dont know what to go for, you should probably try a sample team to get a feel of the different playstyles then (hyper offense bulky offense balance stall etc)

they all offer differing tempos of play with certain mons while not mutually exclusive fit more on certain playstyles than others

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[oblique root]

Did a balance team with the Corviknight / Slowking-G / Ting-lu Core. Any places I can improve upon with this team? [EDIT: Changed Ting-Lu spikes to stealth rock]
https://pokepast.es/28c7be994ad29762

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[digital sonnet]

https://pokepast.es/fcd37f05f2c092e5
I was having problems with a lot of special attackers since crown was my only special switch in so I made molt spdef

Since I already had tusk, zama, and full phys def pech

Already doing a lot better

[empty verge]

Funny thing was

I was actually gonna suggest spdef the other day but forgot LOL

[low phoenix]

Is it a coincidence that you basically copied the current Corv Lu ace sample

[digital sonnet]

I was thinking it too but I didn’t know if the team would be weak to zama

I was scared of tera steel sub zama walling pech but honestly I don’t think there’s any zama set that could beat pech

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/54b0abe63b36014d made this ridiculous dragmag team looking to bait in and kill kingambit, please rate /10

[low phoenix]

why do i feel like this entire team dies to darkrai and iron valiant

[nocturne sable]

Ima keep it a buck with you magnezone isn’t good at all

Yes it traps steels but it loses to all the steels it tries to trap bar corv maybe

Even then I don’t see how this magnezone set beats gambit

Gambit just sets up and Tera’s for free, especially since you don’t have Iron defense to boost defense

[low phoenix]

^

[cerulean gate]

https://pokepast.es/03d7712663624a73 Rain! trying out some tech w Floatzel

[digital sonnet]

I feel like the ghold being phys def twave could help against waterpon

[hot dome]

it wont

this is a rain team without a lot of rain abusers (and the ones you have picked are pretty niche)

if you want to run rain in its current state you kinda have to stick to the meta because its frankly pretty mid and thus needs to run its best options

floatzel killing itself after 3 wave crashes is not a good pick

not really sure what ghold is here for, doesn't help with any rain mus

lack of wellspring check means you get 6-0ed

[cerulean gate]

aw

ghold's there so i had something to switch into salt cure

[hot dome]

bolt is usually a good switch in

[brittle maple]

https://pokepast.es/5a3b4147f498ca0c

im not even gonna try and act like i expect anything good

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

yeah imma be honest there's a lot of issues with this team there's 4 uu mons and while its not really bad to build aorund 1-2 4 is pushing it especially since they don't all fit on the same team style either, most if not all the sets are unviable and this team doesn't really have a structure/core in general

you seem pretty new to the metagame so id recommend using a sample team for now to learn the metagame, you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[brittle maple]

Yeah that’s the problem, it’s not that I don’t know the meta, it’s more that I have an active vendetta against it

[hot dome]

ok well im not really sure what you're trying to acomplish here then

[brittle maple]

Leading to this dumpster fire of a team

[hot dome]

if you wanted to make an unviable team you sure succeeded ig

[brittle maple]

Yeah I guess

It sometimes works though
(Key word: Sometimes)

[hot dome]

any team can work given enough games and low enough elo, doesn't mean its good

[brittle maple]

Trust me, I was not implying that it was good

[oblique root]

I genuinely didn't know that existed, althought it might've happened since I heavily relied on usage stats on making that team. The corv-lu core interested me so I tried building around it. I have a question though, is phys kyurem good on that team or should I just go back to special kyurem? I wasn't really comfortable having both of my attackers use choice items, so I went with loaded dice kyurem instead.

[low phoenix]

Prob specs Kyu

You have the pivots and support for it

And dragon dance Kyu is better on hyper offense teams

[oblique root]

I see

Thanks

I gotta look at the sample teams more lmfao, I didn't expect to build an exact 1:1 replica of another team.

[low phoenix]

thats fair lmao

it happens

[broken lynx]

https://pokepast.es/a5ac5524cb345203

[tacit bluff]

This actually looks pretty decent

Not sure I like outrage on dnite tho and I'm also not a big fan of non banded lokix as the fall in power is very much felt

I'd say make dnite roost, and tbh I'd drop lokix for something like weavile it doesn't pivot sure but you can make up for that by making glowking it's pivot set and then you can make alo it's av set since idt you actually need the wish support all that much, you could then consider lefties tusk over iron treads since I don't rly like it here

[broken lynx]

thank u,i'll try (most) of these and see how it goes

[tepid hazel]

I know

[tepid hazel]

AV crown can probably handle val

darkrai is scary tho I’ll add za

[tepid hazel]

Ooooh I might slot ID

[wooden geode]

https://pokepast.es/cb21535def6a0e99 iron hands grassy glide team!

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden geode]

Garg and gliscor as a hazard core, hands as my gambit counter, Rilla as a wall breaker and terrain setter, darkrai for immediate speed and stall counter, hawucha for sweeping

Main idea is to chip with hazard stack from Garg and gliscor, keep hands alive for gambit and corvi, and sweep with hawucha once its threats are weakened

This team’s biggest weakness is prob air balloon goldengo since I struggle to switch into it

Except with gliscor but he can’t damage it back

[tepid hazel]

I would swap Garg for Tink for fairy resist and uhhh

there was another thing

oh yeah the team also loses to kyu

so id swap Garg for something that has a line into kyu that also has rocks

so maybe something like spdef clef?

Nonono nvm that’s a shit idea

I think you’d js have to go tink

Only trouble with that is u lose to moth

so yeah if it was me I’d go tink for Val

[hot dome]

?? tink is a kyurem check

[hot dome]

fwiw grassy terrain isn't the best structure, but its workable
this team doesn't have the defensive core to passively hazard stack + gliscor being forced off eq just isn't good
pivot towards a more offensive gterrain team, drop gliscor for tink for a kyurem check
Not really sure why you need scarf darkrai when you have unburden lucha anyways, drop it for kingambit for a check to pecharunt ghold and pult, i would recommend either lum or tera fire
your fairy mu also isn't the best rn, ironically pecharunt itself isn't a bad pick as well, with a pivot set

mild lack of spattackers but your phys spam + pecha should overwhelm phys def checks, if not drop tink for heatran

alternatively you could try np pecahrunt

[opaque shale]

Why isnt my chilly reception working?

[hot dome]

not the chat to ask + how would we know lol

[unkempt sandal]

https://pokepast.es/1c37e398a3d48335 prima team. not sure abt it

[low phoenix]

Honestly not too many complaints about this team

What are the Evs for glowking and prim for?

And why Tera poison on gking

[unkempt sandal]

Forgot to change Tera on gking

[low phoenix]

Ic

[unkempt sandal]

I wanted to make them somewhat bulky. Tbh I dont know what im doing with ev spreads for the most part

[low phoenix]

You can change prim to waterpon for a knocker if you want

[unkempt sandal]

How should I handle opposing kingambit

[low phoenix]

Great tusk

[unkempt sandal]

Any other threats im lacking against?

[low phoenix]

You have a plan against the core ou threats you should be fine

[unkempt sandal]

Cool

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/99240dc01045e11e anti meta stall team designed to beat psyshock val and other common breakers WITHOUT burning tera

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

ditto on stall ?

[tepid hazel]

good to revenge setup sweepers

catch them at +6 and kill

it’s also my plan B into zamazenta

[tacit bluff]

I mean

with setup sweepers

just put an unaware mon

[tepid hazel]

yeah but

ditto

aurafarms

[tacit bluff]

ditto is kinda mid imma be honest

granted

[tepid hazel]

I know but it’s also not negotiable on the team

[tacit bluff]

I'm not a stall girl myself

[tepid hazel]

OTHER than that anything wrong with the team

[tacit bluff]

I suck at playing it

the rest of the team looks fine at a glance

[tepid hazel]

b b b b b b b but I thought huzz loved stall… 🥀

[tacit bluff]

gastrodon is a kinda weird option idk how I feel bout it, maybe pex is better? or even muk but honestly can't tell you for certain

[tepid hazel]

I didn’t want to lose to mixed tbolt valiant

[tacit bluff]

fair

I think hydrapple could potentially run diff moves but again it seems fine

I'll leave this to someone else cause again stall isn't rly my thing 😭

[tacit bluff]

not me 😔

[tepid hazel]

alright thanks for the info

[tacit bluff]

yw

[hot dome]

this just odesn't work

stall team that loses to gambit

idk why your corv doesn't have recovery?

[tepid hazel]

LOL

[hot dome]

garg on stall frankly kinda ass

no good knock absorber, gastrodon falls over way too easily to be a sturdy knock resist esp with threats like weavile and darkrai running around

and you're still forced to tera anyways against psyshock threats so im not even sure whats the point ngl

[tepid hazel]

corv

[hot dome]

your corv literally has no recovery + loses to darkrai

[tepid hazel]

which psyshock threats

[hot dome]

ghold is the big one

val mu isn't the greatest either, loses 6-0 to hatt

[tepid hazel]

also I forgot recovery on my corv

[hot dome]

yeah i can tell

this just isn't a good stall team

it tries to be anti meta but just doesn't work

its trying to be too creative and fit way too frail wals on a playstyle that needes every scrap of defensive power as possible

[tepid hazel]

106/110 isn’t frail tho

nor is 100/130

[hot dome]

gastrodon, garg are both frail

[tepid hazel]

gast is the only frail thing on the entire team

[hot dome]

you have a literal ditto

[tepid hazel]

garg is NOT frail

[hot dome]

on stall, sure is

especially since its a massive tera hog

and also gets worn down way too easily by hazards

im not here to argue, this team is unviable

[tepid hazel]

ok so here’s my takeaway

quag over ditto

[hot dome]

if you want to run it, be my guest, but its not going to work to any significant degree once you start playing against good teams

if that's your takeaway here, you should probably post your teams in another channel

[tepid hazel]

wtf does this mean

[hot dome]

this is for people willing to listen to the advice of raters

[tepid hazel]

are you trying to be smug or what

You said ditto isn’t good

[hot dome]

I have outlined how this entire team is unreliable in several different points that cannot be patched with a simple one mon swap

And you are wasting both our times by refusing to listen

[tepid hazel]

I was typing 😭

[hot dome]

If you want to keep this team, that is fine: i will not stop you

But if you post in this channel, you must be willing to change your team, and not just waste both of our times arguing back and forth

[tepid hazel]

I’m not arguing I’m seeking help

If you call that arguing I think I’d reflect

[hot dome]

Ok, and my advice is to scrap this team because it's unviable

[tepid hazel]

scrap?

it’s unhelpable?

[hot dome]

yes because i would have to replace at least 3/6, likely 4/6 mons on this team + revamp the rest's movesets and evs

and atp its not your team its a team i built with 2 mon similarity

[tepid hazel]

well on the topic of OU teams

https://pokepast.es/bc1be456d013d2d4

[hot dome]

Reasons have already been listed above, but one more time in case you don't want to scroll up, most of these are subpar/unviable picks on stall, the stated goal of the team isn't even accomplished since you still lose to the majority of psyshock while opening yourself up to a lot of major threats ie Kingambit Zamazenta Kyurem etc

[tepid hazel]

trying to replace bolt

[hot dome]

If you're going to get a team rated here please take the time to apply the feedback and learn instead of simply posting another team

[tepid hazel]

you said to scrap it

I don’t get it

[hot dome]

Yes, and I was going to follow it up with a recommendation to use sample teams

[tepid hazel]

I don’t like the stall samples if I did I would’ve used 1

[hot dome]

Which I will still apply to this team as well: not really sure what the structure here is, seems to be offense but then you have extremely strange picks like Crawdaunt (unviable) and eject button gking, and your three offensive mons don't really work well as a reliable offensive core rn since they get walled by Tera Ghost Ting Lu + you struggle heavily into fairy types

[tepid hazel]

hmmmm

ok

So a find a spatker with good matchup into fairy types that is also good into ting lu?

[hot dome]

it just really seems like you do not have a good understanding of botht eh current metagame and what cores are popular and good to build around right now

and you also aren't listening to my advice

[tepid hazel]

bro are you deadass

[hot dome]

So I would recommend using a sample team for now

You can find them at the link below

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[tepid hazel]

I’m not trying to build around the good mons

Craw isn’t a negotiation

I wanted to use it because I find it funny

[hot dome]

If you come to this channel you are here to make your team viable

If you want help with gimmick teams, ask elsewhere

[tepid hazel]

without removing the core idea of the team

[tacit bluff]

I mean

craw sucks

thats the issue

[tepid hazel]

I know

[tacit bluff]

the core idea is sub optimal

so our advice would always be

drop said thing

[tepid hazel]

In this case

[hot dome]

Read the RMT rules before posting in this channel in the future. You can find them here: #1030567099703242903 message

[tepid hazel]

Should I specify

that a certain mon isn’t negotiable?

[hot dome]

This isn't the channel for gimmick mons or teams

Please read the rules

[tepid hazel]

so where do I go if I want to add a funny mon to my team

[tacit bluff]

any of the comp generals work

[hot dome]

(Though the likelihood of getting advice there is low)

[tepid hazel]

okay

thanks

I’ll only come here to post meta teams

cya

[opaque shale]

https://pokepast.es/b2c53c9d9195d1f3

Trash or not

[magic walrus]

half of ur mons are unviable on both usage and moveset

dont think you will understand the meta yet, here is a sample team for ya to understand what os viable or not

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/003038f68c24b4ea unaware skeledirge balance

i feel like i'm lacking somewhere but i can't really pinpoint it exactly

[unkempt sandal]

How do you beat opposing kingambit?

Is dirge tanky enough?

[oblique root]

it gets 2HKO'd without any boosts

+1 0 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 320-380 (93.8 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+2 0 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 428-506 (125.5 - 148.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gliscor can theoretically do it but i'm not comfy with it.
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake (100 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kingambit: 176-210 (51.6 - 61.5%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Sucker Punch is really a problem lol, it OHKOs dragapult, should I swap kingambit with zamazenta or just give him low kick

[magic walrus]

Yeah but most of the sets are max hp nowadays

[nocturne sable]

Gambit 6-0s this team

This team also kinda loses to Hazard stack+Gholdengo

[oblique root]

i see

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/a611fe2d2c81d678 is this going on a good direction? I like the corv/clefable core, and I went unaware skeledirge as a check to setup sweepers, mostly zamazenta. I think slotting in another hazard control could lose me some attacking power, so I just went for boots spam instead. I'm still indecisive with the last pokemon though.

i forgot to change zama tera lol, it's supposed to be fire

also

not sure if i should just go specs drag with tera blast lol

[nocturne sable]

You’re better off just running wisp hex pult

[oblique root]

alr

[low phoenix]

Remove skeledirge

Too many grounds darks waters and ghosts for skeledirge in this meta

[oblique root]

makes sense

[low phoenix]

Yea skeledirge would prob be better if the meta wasn’t so against it

[oblique root]

only reason I picked dirge is that favorable matchup vs zama lol

[low phoenix]

Pecharunt exists

[oblique root]

a

i forgot that thing existed

[low phoenix]

Yea purple blob has been popping off

Lately

I mean last few months

[oblique root]

I see

[low phoenix]

Massive defense makes it check almost every physical attacker even great tusk

[oblique root]

is stealth rock enough hazard setting for this comp

[nocturne sable]

Since he’s dropping dirge he should probably get something for things like moth no

[oblique root]

thoughts on gliscor?

[low phoenix]

If you’re going to dedicated hazard stack you should add a spiker

[nocturne sable]

Could be decent

[low phoenix]

I like ting Lu on this team

[nocturne sable]

Adds an extra knock absorber which is nice

[low phoenix]

You need a rai check

[nocturne sable]

I was gonna say ting LU but wasn’t sure if he wanted to dedicate hazard stack

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/cdd56444b4034ff3

how about this?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[oblique root]

oops

[low phoenix]

What playstyle are u going for

[oblique root]

balance

[nocturne sable]

I feel like it’s a similar situation to the first one you posted, you struggle vs gliscor

[low phoenix]

Which variant of balance

Standard balance hazard stack fat

[oblique root]

fat

[low phoenix]

Hmm

[oblique root]

I feel like I got lost after the first 3 pokemons lol

i think it's a good defensive core to start with

[nocturne sable]

Corv Lu is a solid core to start with

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/31e03b470c5c1185

how about this?

changed dondozo item to leftovers for more longevity

[nocturne sable]

This team is just kinda over the place

You have dondozo that’s only good on stall

Then you have spikes ting Lu+court change cinderace which literally contradict eachother

Then you have a random Specs Kyurem with Zero support from this team

If you want to learn what a balance team is like there is a sample team you can work with

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[oblique root]

alr

[alpine hornet]

ok this isnt entirely true

dozo is a good balance mon especially with corv ace cores like this

@oblique root did you build this yourself? because it seems awfully similar to a few othe4 teams ive seen

just make lu resttalk and kyu subtect

and i think this is a blim 6

and make dozo tdark lefties spdef

might be a little outdated but i think the 6 works fine

@nocturne sable in the future please refrain from giving advice about metagames you arent super familiar with

[oblique root]

ye, although i did see unaware dozo on high ladder teams before and decided to check it out

[alpine hornet]

oh and cind chould be the bulky blaze set

the 6 is totally fine just needs some set changes overall

[oblique root]

i see

I also built something else: https://pokepast.es/be1762c029cc3fbb
which one should i stick to in your opinion?

edited the dozo team with all ur suggestions, lmk if i missed anything: https://pokepast.es/63fa92338530d74c

[opaque shale]

https://pokepast.es/b2c53c9d9195d1f3

[low phoenix]

I like band zama on this team for some extra wallbreaking power

Otherwise seems like a standard Corv Lu ace fat team

[low phoenix]

You posted this team earlier and no it isn’t viable

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[opaque shale]

Why am cooking with it then

[low phoenix]

dude

you have curse glaceon

with no physical attacks

do you want me to further explain why your team is unviable or are you going to keep on insisting using your team

[tacit bluff]

Cuz ur at bottom ladder probably lul

Some of these mons are OK but glaceon is a horrendous mon that blaziken set is a gimmick at best and maushold isn't great and also runs bite not shadow claw

[tepid hazel]

BKC isn’t trash

https://pokepast.es/0490671928402f61 who said we can’t make the wr team in OU

[tacit bluff]

Blaziken is fine but the moveset is trolling

[tepid hazel]

I tested this team on the ladder and I LOVE it

granted I’m not sure about the movesets, grass knot is there because it’s on the uber team but I’m realizing now that it’s unviable

[low phoenix]

wr?

what does that mean

[tepid hazel]

world record

the team that reached the highest elo of any uber meta ever

[low phoenix]

"I played this team on low ladder against a bunch of shiters so it must be good"

[hot dome]

Once again these picks are confusing at best

[tepid hazel]

Don’t be mean

[hot dome]

You’ve been told multiple times to use samples

[tepid hazel]

trust me I know ttar looks weird but it’s very good on this team

[hot dome]

It’s really not

This team is unviable the sets are bad the picks are worse as your defensive core isn’t sturdy enough and your offensive core is lacking, it’s a sand team with multiple mons that hate sand

[tepid hazel]

uh

the defensive core

is the whole team

[hot dome]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[tepid hazel]

Barring pult

[hot dome]

Yeah and it’s still not good

[tepid hazel]

ok

[low phoenix]

Want to know some good defensive cores?

[tepid hazel]

so if I were to keep this team

[low phoenix]

Zapdos Ting Lu Galarian Slowking

[tepid hazel]

what would I swap

[low phoenix]

Moltres Tinkaton

Corviknight Ting Lu Cinderace

Ting Lu Zamazenta Pecharunt