SV OU Rates

[fallow garden]

overall it just looks like a stack of 6 that doesn't really mesh well together

I would suggest looking at smogdex for sets and sample teams and vr to understand team structure a bit better

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/88851fadbb873264

probably one of the worst teams I’ve ever made

Definitely going to scrap it

But out of curiosity, why is it so bad?

[fallow garden]

eh

its not terrible

tera fire hamu is kinda

eh

imo

spdef tera dragon scor isn't rlly that good

you probs want fairy or water maybe even normal tbh

i also don't love u-turn, rocks, eq, tect

no spikes, knock, or toxic makes it kinda hard to make progress with

tera ground tusk is kinda odd

chesto resto zama doesn't need to run fire because most of the time your running it for burn prevention and you have chesto resto

dnite and crown look solid

Ill also say that because your tusk is max atk its not really that amazing as a physical tank oposed to say max hp

So that's a little spooky

also double ground+hamu feels kinda stupid

because you typically want a ground spiker+tusk

[fluid rover]

Would someone here mind helping me put my team together?

im really trying to make greninja or either varient of goodra work but im just havin a hard time making them work

Greninja, Hisuian goodra, hawlucha, celfable, corviknight and gliscor

[soft maple]

https://pokepast.es/8a9f1f894b8c0800

i thinking in remove ting, put some hazard control and turn gliscor the lead

[fallow garden]

Gren isn’t very good, Hoodra is quite niche, Lucha is only good on terrain centric ho, clef, corv, and scor are solid though

[fluid rover]

Gotcha, im guessing the nerfs greninja got really hurt his viability

[fallow garden]

that pech set looks atrocious, no tect scor is def a set, cm bolt really only fits on ho if it’s booster, and av pex really needs removal to work

[fallow garden]

yes

[tacit bluff]

protean nerf bad and battle bond weaker so yeah

gren ain't what it used to be

[soft maple]

bolt is a test

[fluid rover]

Sadly, praying for some buffs for my boy in Legends ZA

[soft maple]

not even gonna be on the final team

just ilustring the function

[tacit bluff]

I've seen destiny bond tbf

although foul play is probably better

if you wanna punish

[fluid rover]

Would Iron valiant be a good substitute for greninja, and if so does that improve hoodra's performance since he covers all of Valiants weaknesses except for one resistance wise?

[fallow garden]

non max speed is bad in genreal

esp on dbond tho

you need to move first to get dbond off

[tacit bluff]

oh didn't see no max speed lol

[inland shadow]

i feel like i need a little more sustain because this is meant to be a bulkier team https://pokepast.es/74f54032f187e45b

[low phoenix]

No hazards, no hazard control on a no boots team, grimmsnarl on a non hyper offense, seems about right

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

Also rest grimmsnarl is uh

Something

[inland shadow]

idk man its my first team

ive never done this before

@low phoenix what do you recommend me to do?

[low phoenix]

Oh that’s fair

I recommend using a sample team then

Teambuilding is hard and it’s not just slapping 6 mons together

Each mons gotta synergizes with each other and fit in a playstyle so you don’t lose momentum

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/8b6bf4d589c1f0b2
any changes?

[alpine furnace]

Speaking of team building how is this? https://pokepast.es/d2b9df3981108915 do I need hazard removal for this or is it bulky enough with enough boots to take deal with it.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[inland shadow]

i have a few sample teams but i really like this team and its been doing good for me so i wanna know what i can do to make it better

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/94408a34ab110ad0 Garg balance (need help to find a reliable SpA attacker)

oh yeah does balance need a spinner/defog?

(I FORGOT TO CHANGE TOXIC TO EARTHQUAKE ON GLISC)

[silver river]

Pech is a pretty decent special attacker

Or zapdos/moltress

[magic walrus]

Yes but remember I also need the typing checks

And the mons you mentioned are mostly tanks/piviots

[elfin frigate]

https://pokepast.es/1b4d55742f9039c1
any suggestions to make it better? trying to make a team around breloom because he is my favorite pokemon by far also trying not to use legendary pokemon

[hot dome]

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

Please take a moment to review the rules of the competitive section: https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1030567099703242903

Do not ask for assistance with arbitrary rulesets or restrictions placed on teambuilding, we will not help with them in this server. The competitive section is only for formats hosted on the Smogon forums, such as VGC and OU.

Additionally, do not ask for assistance with fangames, Minecraft/Roblox mods, or other such titles. These games/mods have mechanics and available Pokémon which do not match those in the actual Pokémon games or Smogon's formats, and are often played with arbitrary rulesets.

[elfin frigate]

that's a thing?

[hot dome]

Yes, this is a channel for people to optimize their team

We cannot help you optimize it if you refuse to use certain pokemon for arbitrary reasons

[fallow garden]

sobbing

[elfin frigate]

i said trying not to, not that i will not

[fallow garden]

same difference

[hot dome]

Ok if I say half your team needs to be legendary will you agree

[fallow garden]

also do paradox’s count

do mythicals count

[elfin frigate]

i will take the advice and atempt to research why you said those pokemon and if i can make do with a different pokemon that does the same thing

[hot dome]

Ok then this isn’t the channel for this

Because these pokemon have their roles in the metagame for a reason and can’t just be replaced so easily

If you want to build a gimmick team, good luck, but this isn’t the channel to ask for advice in

Also breloom is kinda mid in OU in general so especially around a mon like him you can’t really compromise on using top tiers

Actually kinda mid is way too generous this mon sucks

[fallow garden]

i was about to say

kinda mid is crazy

bro is dog shit

stabs walled by ghold and dnite?

free

slow as shit

strong fighting competition with zama

[hot dome]

tbf this is a lot of mons

[fallow garden]

that are bad…

[hot dome]

but breloom's fragility, poor coverage, high competition, and general lack of a niche ever since spore got thrown out

[hot dome]

zamazenta.

[fallow garden]

nuh uh

[hot dome]

well fuck you got me there

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/75c3d89c7daebf5f
any changes?

[fallow garden]

💀

[hot dome]

...why is your mola healing wish?

whats the general focus on this team?

[pale mortar]

oh ye i forgot to change

[fallow garden]

bro forgor wish

[pale mortar]

it was healing wish for ursulana

before

[fallow garden]

does mola even get hw

[hot dome]

why is your only speed cnotrol a one time use mon and then its surrounded by a bunch of bulky threats that have no way to boost speed

[pale mortar]

ye

[pale mortar]

ic

[hot dome]

This team doesn't really have an identity? What playstyle were you going for here?

[pale mortar]

bulky offense

[fallow garden]

that was a question 😭

[pale mortar]

tbh im new to teambuilding so ye

[pale mortar]

😭

[hot dome]

Im ngl there isn't really a cohesive structure nor core in this team

[fallow garden]

why would it even be that ursa wants to be statused…

[hot dome]

This is bulky offense in the literal sense of you have bulky mons and offensive mons

But bulky offense as a style is a lot more offensive and a lot less bulky than this

[low phoenix]

garganacl and waterpon hate being chipped by hazards

[hot dome]

Furthermore, most of your pokemon do not have very good synergy + your team is very hazard weak

[low phoenix]

what kind of team structure are you trying to build?

[hot dome]

And relies on a mon that loses to most if not all common hazard setters of the tier to remove them

I would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first: keep notes of common and effecitve cores you see ie Ting Nite Ghold or Lando + friends

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

idk what elo you are playing on but i promise that your team is flawed and will not get you very far past low ladder

[pale mortar]

alr, ill look thru and try to make some changes on my own then ill ask for rmt again

thanks fam

[hot dome]

please do not just come back with the same team with some changes

[low phoenix]

the more important question is what kind of playstyle do you want which specific mon you want to build around if you have that in mind and how you will build your team to synergize together

[hot dome]

this core is fundementally flawed and unless you make a hard pivot in terms of playstyle and cores

It will result in the same advice

And just end up wasting both our times

[pale mortar]

ye nah I won't dw. ima just start rebuild around hoopa

[low phoenix]

hoopa works best on bulky offense/balance teams fyi

[hot dome]

hoopa also kinda sucks as a mon rn so i would not recommend buidling aorund it

[pale mortar]

dam...

well im tryna build bulky offense

rn

[low phoenix]

hoopa is b in the vr

so its not completely unusable

[fallow garden]

the vr needs to be updated

[low phoenix]

it was just updated a few weeks ago

[fallow garden]

does it still have moon

if so

it needs to be updated

[low phoenix]

apart from moon being banned i think its still pretty relevant

[hot dome]

Hoopa got brought 4 times in SPL and has an abysmal 25% win rate

It's not a good mon

[fallow garden]

that’s like 7 years in mons player time

[pale mortar]

anyways what are like some of the stuff I should include for a bulky offense team?

[fallow garden]

bulky

offense

[hot dome]

Look at samples

Look at the cores they use

[low phoenix]

think hoopa can be build around if you really want but thats fair

[hot dome]

Like I said

Use a sample team, ladder for a bit until you reach like 1600s/1500s

[low phoenix]

i havent paid attention to pokemon usage rates recently

[hot dome]

There you should see some at least half decent teams

[fallow garden]

anything can be :<

[hot dome]

I mean even theoretically you really think hoopa's going to be good in a meta full of ting lu

[fallow garden]

just like

band drain punch it

[hot dome]

then you're using band which does not perform well into a meta full of zamazenta

[low phoenix]

i assume you have mons to help hoopa deal with ting lu and complement it in your team

[hot dome]

and then do what?

[fallow garden]

sire clod

i aspire to be like you

i am not near mean enough i have realized

[hot dome]

the issue with hoopa is that its a breaker that can't afford to run breaker sets cuz its so damn frail

[fallow garden]

i need to tell people there stupid fucking bullshit is stupid fucking bullshit!!

[hot dome]

so it tries to compromise with shitty av sets that fail to be either since if you want a fat bulky mon that can dish out considerable damage output while eating special attacks we already have one its called ting lu and its top of the tier

[fallow garden]

av when spikes

[hot dome]

and its not like hoopa matches up particularly well into the water types rising in response to ting lu either since they all usualy surround themselves with hazard teams which once again hoopa does not matchup well into

[fallow garden]

dies

[hot dome]

its just such a nothing burger of a mon that fails in every role it tries

run it when you're trying to fish a stall team and dont bother otherwise

[fallow garden]

hoopa when like molt u turn does 75

[hot dome]

literally faced a hoopa-u team with corv cinderace for hzard control and hoopa still died to hazards in the end and failed to deliver any value this mon is cheeks

[low phoenix]

damn

[fallow garden]

there’s better mu fishs tbh

[low phoenix]

what elo was that on

[hot dome]

mid 1600s

[low phoenix]

ic

[fallow garden]

[low phoenix]

if hoopa u is dicks

why is it still b in the vr then

[fallow garden]

i read that as

if hoopa, you is dicks

😭

[hot dome]

because it is potential mon
0 actual uses
0 wins
7 hyped statements

[low phoenix]

hyped statements?

[hot dome]

"Hoopa U is such a good breaker if you just support it enough"

[fallow garden]

it showed up in a blunder video a while sgo

[hot dome]

"Just one more vest and it'll eat this special attack"

(Seriously the B rank in the VR is kinda a FFA)

It's really not that impressive

[fallow garden]

you can’t run 2 avs…

fym one more

[hot dome]

Same tier as Slither Wing Ogerpon-Teal Meowscarada Manaphy Dozo

[fallow garden]

wtf

[low phoenix]

i had the impression hoopa u could break but it needs more support than usual

[fallow garden]

are you hating on meow

[hot dome]

yes

[fallow garden]

wtf…

it gets spikes

[low phoenix]

meow is frail af

[fallow garden]

therefore

good mon

[low phoenix]

and gets chipped so easily wo boots

[hot dome]

The issue is "breakers that need support" are literally a dime a dozen

[fallow garden]

just run boots?

[hot dome]

and you have so many better options that actually fare well into the current metagame

(Like fellow B-rank dweller Volcanion)

That your eally have to question why you are flexing for this mon

[low phoenix]

zama weavile dragapult darkrai are faster

all have attacks that hit meow hard

[fallow garden]

bro breaker that just needs support can also just be some random shit mon 😭

[hot dome]

you defend hoopa with your life and yet meow is where you draw the line ngl i would rather run meow balance than hoopa balance

but anyways we're getting way off topic

[fallow garden]

like sure Furret can break with max hazards and chip on everything plus trapping

[hot dome]

hoopa is ass meow is fraud invest in water type special attacker stocks now

[fallow garden]

like what

[hot dome]

Volcanion

[fallow garden]

steamy?

what else

[hot dome]

Keld

That's it

[fallow garden]

preferably something not hit back hard by ground stabs

💀

invest in max hp pult stocks

that mon is fucking broken

legit never dies

[tacit bluff]

Yeah without Spore it's just

Nothingburger

[oblique root]

https://pokepast.es/40ebe65ac9b28db5 Comfey & Whimsicott Sun Team. First time making a team, any advice on this one?

[silver river]

Didn't this team peaked ladder?
I remember reading an RMT about this team.
It just had venusaur instead of bolt.

(venusaur also has growth)

[oblique root]

Do you have the link of the RMT? Curious to see what they do with it. I formulated the team based on usage stats + what I felt the team lacked/needed so it might've been similar to other sun teams.

I went for bolt cuz I feel like venusaur on sun is really vulnerable to fire.

don't really like enemy fire-types benefitting much from my own sun

[tacit bluff]

u just kinda have to deal with that as a sun team

luckily gen 9 gave you the most anti fire type sun abuser possible in the form of walking wake

so you should be fine

there also aren't a lot of offensive fires in the tier

the only one I can think of is iron moth and sometimes blaziken

the other fires are pretty defensive

[oblique root]

I see

so should I swap bolt for venusaur or is Bolt fine as a variation?

it's that last slot I'm still debating about

[tacit bluff]

tbh I don't fw how reliant you are on sun

comfey is at least still good without the sun albeit still a bit neutered without calm mind whimsicott tho becomes a bit of a sitting duck waiting to get outsped and die

and you have a lot of other sun abusers

I do think you can just go with a diff sun abuser over cott

[oblique root]

makes sense, I did have difficulties making whimsicott work. How does Iron Moth / Venusaur sound to replace it?

[soft maple]

https://pokepast.es/224a093d66c3bef3
besides the 3 poison types, whats wrong there?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft maple]

sorry

im thinking about remove pain split and put toxic spikes

it seems more useful

[alpine furnace]

Ogerpon W is B tier?

[silver river]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/comfey-whimsicott-sun-peak-1-2083-elo.3761563/

It peaked rank 1

A lot of content creators like pokeaimd, jimothy cool, etc made a video on it.

I saw it quite a bit till last week or so

New toy syndrome went away real fast

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/ff245b777dd93abd
what can i swap out for a piority user? smthing like scizor, gambit, dnite

[silver river]

Nevermeltice kyurem with dd i-spears is definitely a choice in 2025

You already have pex, so you're not really losing on fairy counters, zama can be expert belt with ice fang instead of heavy slam.

[pale mortar]

ic

alr

wait so what should i swap for piority since there's time in endgame and the opp have a dragapult or speed booster up and end up clean the match

[silver river]

You can swap gweezing for a baloon tera ghost gambit

Change your corv set tho

Corviknight (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature

• Roost
• Defog
• U-turn
• Brave Bird

[low phoenix]

This is just a sample team alteration so I don’t really recommend you change anything

We don’t rate samples

Btw

Or teams that other ppl made

[pale mortar]

ah alr

mb

[nocturne sable]

Late but how does this make sense?? If the team can easily be improved why not tell them how it can be improved instead of telling them to use a sample team

[trail whale]

Because they seem like they're new and don't understand ou or much of competitive very well yet

[nocturne sable]

But you said the team doesn’t require that much changes to be good so why not make the few tweaks and them test out the team?

[trail whale]

Because even then sample teams are probably better and more beginner friendly than anything I can personally offer

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/68707394a60533a3 made this cutie in 5 minutes feels pretty good but I have this weird premonition

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

Might swap torn hdb for av

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/40ee57c1db77ad91

Made some tweaks the team feels much better now

Tera ground ace is to prevent thunder wave and also to block volt switch

[hot dome]

i would really like to refer to my rant above about hoopa-u here about how bad this mon is

but putting aside my personal hatred for it, this team doesn't synergize well

You have a sash Hamurott, which indicates Hyper Offense: sash is a useless item otherwise

However, you then surround it with strange picks like AV Tornadus-T, Banded Hoopa-U, and Cinderace, none of which fit on said Hyper Offense archtype, due to the former two's relative lack of power (and Cinderace's Court Change hurting Hamurott's efforts) while the latter does have power but lacks both the speed and reliability to work

Valiant and Dnite are mostly fine here (would've liked a more offensive dnite set but wtv) but when half your team does not synergize with the other half it just doesn't work

Also Tera Ground ace is a really strange pick espcially when OU has extremely strong ground types and hazard absorbers that can both slot onto HO like ghold or Lando without needing to burn tera

[hot dome]

This team just doesn't work due to its lack of proper synergy, and I would recommend using a sample team to study common cores and sets/mons picked for the archetypes, such as this Vert HO team with Sash Hamurott

https://pokepast.es/56f73e4816b54551

you can find the rest of them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

im not as much of a hater on hoopa as clod but even i can attest that band hoopa is bad

youre not fast at all you get chipped by hazards walled by kingambit and ting lu which are both very common this meta

[inland shadow]

i changed grimmsnarl for glimmora and i was thinking of changing my gliscor to this but idk https://pokepast.es/81f7722b066e033d

what do u think

[low phoenix]

gliscor doesnt learn defog in gen9ou

[inland shadow]

oh fr

well what about the team

[low phoenix]

at this point you should just use a sample hyper offense team

both glimmora and grimmsnarl only fit in hyper offense

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

for now i recommend to just use a sample team until you get the gist of the various teamstyles and then you can build

[pale mortar]

what yall think on subtect kyurem hazard stack

[tacit bluff]

not the channel to ask

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/b5aed552c5e8b9ed revised version of my last team

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/34f47b5149b42d9a

tweaked it before I got flamed for using cyclizar

court change + hrott shouldn’t be as scary now that it’s scarf

added a ground type

Changed hoopa-u for another physical wallbreaker

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/1f9c09ab3bf1319f
what can i swap out for a knocker?

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/06b316e69d7379f3 GRENINJA TEAMS ARE BACK

need help on finding a better alternative to rilla cuz i feel it doesn't fit balance that much

[tepid hazel]

Head smash tusk

[fallow garden]

i don’t love Za+Tusk

[pale mortar]

ic

za is my speed control en

also i forgot tusk got knock off 💀

[fallow garden]

cb za isn’t awesome here tbh

[pale mortar]

what should i change then

ironpress?

[fallow garden]

boots

[pale mortar]

alr

which is the betterr gliscor set? spd or def invested

[fallow garden]

depends on the team

and what you need

but i feel spdef is over all better rn

[tacit bluff]

tbh it just depends whether you need a physical or special wall more

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/4b08509f0a09f948
I changed to this. added gweez as it help to take on fairy and also to disable mons with regen to heal

[fallow garden]

tbh i’d go boots za and tspikes gweez here

also run more speed on your tcha

[pale mortar]

alr

[fallow garden]

can go boots lu too

[pale mortar]

sure ig

if anything i can just wish pass

onto lu

[fallow garden]

yuh

[pale mortar]

ight i just realize that

mixed kyurem

is a threat

to this team

especially if it a subtitute

dd

set

[fallow garden]

a bit ye

could go unaware boots clef somewhere

also sub mixed dd is so fake

sub dd is alr kinda fake

[pale mortar]

tbh it either sub dd

well i just faced agaisnt one

nearly got cooked

[fallow garden]

rip

[pale mortar]

tingliu manage to clutch and get the whirlwind off tho

[fallow garden]

i think Za and Ting are fine enough

[pale mortar]

might gotta run

steel tera

or i could just drop

gliscor

for a iron crown

[fallow garden]

steel za is fine ya

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/34f47b5149b42d9a

[pale mortar]

tera steel za?

[fallow garden]

sandsear is kinda dix

[fallow garden]

zama

[pale mortar]

alr

[tepid hazel]

y

[fallow garden]

low acu

[tepid hazel]

It’s not sandsear

It’s scorching sands

30% to burn

[fallow garden]

nmv im blind

that’s fine

the lower power is a bit cringe

but it’s fine

[tepid hazel]

I have other things for damage

That was sort of the idea

[fallow garden]

Hamu is bad with Cinder

you don’t want spikes and court change

[tepid hazel]

See people told me that

But what I was thinking was that hamu wouldn’t get spikes as effectively

with scarf

[fallow garden]

what

[tepid hazel]

And it would be more of a rounded attacker

Yk?

[fallow garden]

._.

the entire reason to use hamu

is spikes

[tepid hazel]

alright

I wanna keep ace

[fallow garden]

just run gambit…

[tepid hazel]

so what should I swap hamu with?

Ok thanks

Is that all?

well actually

Now that hamu is gone I have more freedom to run wellspring

[fallow garden]

yuh

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/8f09dfdc71098ad1
hows this team btw

[fallow garden]

just use the og paste

[fallow garden]

also nmv after testing this gets mega shit on by opp sd scor

[pale mortar]

people run sd scor?

oh wait

ye scor

nvm

i thought u said scizor

[pale mortar]

ight it just that piority was a problem and mixed kyurem just really good rn for me so

[fallow garden]

ic

you can go Clear Smog>Willo and maybe ice fang on za

[pale mortar]

alr

[fallow garden]

oh also

proc>scald

or mirror coat

https://pokepast.es/59cc4b2940fa153a

this is the vr i’m working with rn

[tacit bluff]

Lowk I hate unaware clef but eh ig it works

[fallow garden]

unaware clef is always

mid

as fuck

tbh

[tacit bluff]

The issue is right

Unaware is a good ability

While magic guard is broken

[fallow garden]

tru

do you like Tspikes Gweez

he’s so silly

yes ik no rocks

can go standard scor spread tera fairy and rocks>sd eq>facade

or pjab mayb

[pale mortar]

alr

[pale mortar]

ye nah tspikes gweez is pretty fun

[fallow garden]

@nimble cove don’t u have a tspike gweez build

i wish Pech got Tspikes

[pale mortar]

ima just stay with band za tbh. its help me 2hko corv and skar

[fallow garden]

band za without removal is

[pale mortar]

defog gweez ig

[fallow garden]

u dont want that on hstack tho

ig if you go rocks only lu

[pale mortar]

then i could drop gliscor for tusk/iron thread

[fallow garden]

tusk isnt really good on hstack tbh :<

[tacit bluff]

Lowk I've always been a bit of a gweez hater

In singles anyway

[fallow garden]

what the flop

[tacit bluff]

Vgc it's awesome but here I think it's just no defog distribution cope tbh

[pale mortar]

tbh i just like it ability allowing me to stall out opponent gliscor, and not allowing regen mon to heal

[tacit bluff]

Ur really only ever gonna need it on a team that really needs the hazard removal and can't fit tusk

Which in that sense it's fine

Like it does that job fine but it's otherwise a worse clefable

[tacit bluff]

It's a valid pick I'm just a hater

[pale mortar]

💔

[fallow garden]

me when sd eq

(you fucking explode)

[pale mortar]

me when grass tera

also painsplit just to chip that gliscor after tanking 1 non boosted eq

[fallow garden]

facade

also poping tera jus for that is

interestign

also psplit is bad into it cuz its actively losing health from tox chip :<

but if you do it at the right time and get a fat toxic tick

it can be pretty funny

[pale mortar]

fr

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/dfbe0ba6436f26e5

any changes?

i wanna try using porygon-z

this tema kinda folds to ogerpon th

[hot dome]

You've been told to both look at and use the sample teams to gain a better understanding of the tier first, and while they may not be for everyone, continually posting new teams in this channel that are suboptimal at best and when you are told they are not good, just going to a new one is just a waste of time for everyone involved

Once again, this is a team with little synergy between the mons, with strange picks like Zapdos, Gking, and Scarf Gholdengo in conjunction with Araquanid webs

Once again, this is split between two very different playstyles with a semi-unviable pick in Porygon-Z

Once again, my recommendation is for you to use a sample team and please ladder for an extended period of time to gain an actual understanding of the metagame. You can also refer to other resources like their analyses on Smogon Dex, or the viability rankings, or even recent tournament threads like SPL discussion if you want analysis, teams, or a general better understanding of the metagame

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/ou/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread-update-on-post-927.3734134/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spl-xvi-discussion-thread.3757915/

Here are the links to the respective threads

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[silver river]

Are the teams used in SPL public?
Where can i see them

[magic walrus]

tap on the icon

[low phoenix]

Some teams used in spl are public

Up to the discretion of the team creator

[hot dome]

All replays are public as well so you can at least see the general sets and teams used

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/2ac9da90d3ed568f

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

you have some strange syngeries here that don't rly do a lot for you

grimmsnarl dual screens is a hyper offence lead a not excellent one at that but none of your team aside from iron crown and great tusk to an extent is positioned to really exploit screens as they lie mostly in the balance/bulky offence category

like 3 pokemon here are HO leads or staples meanwhile the other 3 are just

not

[tepid hazel]

thanks

What should I do for it

My idea was grimsnarl screens crown

[tacit bluff]

well I'd either decide whether you wanna go fully into screens offence or maybe a bulky offence team that spreads damage with status

[tepid hazel]

I think bulk

I'm gonna swap lokix first

[tacit bluff]

also I would say that stored power iron crown is a gimmick tbh

its usually paired with agility and imma be so honest latias does that better, iron crown does other stuff usually like just being a fast steel type attacker

lokix is fine here if you wanna go BO

[tepid hazel]

If I just normally used crown, could it do well with lokix

[tacit bluff]

strong anti offence mon that provides extra insurance for pokes like ogerpon w and also can threaten pecharunt

lokix isn't usually on HO since it doesn't fir the playstyle

but iron crown and lokix can work together

you'd just run a different iron crown set

[tepid hazel]

thanks

specs?

[tacit bluff]

nah not specs

its usually av

granted I think this team needs a revamp altogether

[tepid hazel]

Alright

[tacit bluff]

cause lowk dragapult and zapdos work very well here in spreading dual status

[tepid hazel]

I'll start with AV crown and banded lokix

[tacit bluff]

and you can build some mons around those two who appreciate the speed control from twave and dragapults excellent speed serving as a sort of pseudo speed control

[tepid hazel]

with lokix and crown?

[tacit bluff]

crown acts as a kyurem answer which is much needed and lokix works too ig as a waterpon answer albeit your mu isn't particularly bad there,

you then have 4 pivots tho which is a fair bit and maybe overkill

the last two should rly be some form of wincon

or a sweeper and a breaker

[tepid hazel]

I’m thinking meowscarada or Cinderace

I like gholdengo but not on this team with crown

[tacit bluff]

hmmm

meow and cinderance don't rly fit the bill

and are in fact two other pivots

I assume the idea is iron crown and lokix right?

like which pokemon do you rly wanna keep and which ones do you mind dropping

[tepid hazel]

Yeah keep crown and lokix

[tacit bluff]

hmmm ok

issue is this team still needs hazard removal

how about you drop zapdos for cinderace and make that your user of will-o-wisp and then give dragapult the thunder wave

compressing those roles together a bit

[tepid hazel]

Yesss

Is tinkaton a good idea

[tacit bluff]

then you can go with ogerpon wellspring as an answer to ground types or even enamorus if you really want, I prefer the former tho, and then zamazenta, darkrai or another powerful offensive threat in the last slot

I wouldn't do tink

you'd be stacking 3 ground weaks which isn't ideal

or actually

kyurem might not be a bad idea

as a potential breaker who appreciates the pivots to bring it in safely

kyurem also scares all the grounds except for the likes of gliscor who can usually tera out of it, but there should be enough pressure on gliscor here to scare it

although ngl I'd make dragapult fully special

you could put a bit more hurt in gliscor than ddarts can

cause thats gonna be the toughest matchup unfort

if it gets too bad great tusk over cinderace is an idea

ice spinner threatens out a tera and you can slot fighting stab for the common tera normal and has the bonus of giving you a good out against ting lu

actually yeah that sounds better

tusk over cinderace is good methinks

[tepid hazel]

Is u turn banded lokix good in OU

Thanks for all the tips

[low phoenix]

#comp-general

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/4755f5e855338bdf

[nocturne sable]

Too many pivots is never a overkill, the more the better.

[winter dagger]

https://pokepast.es/b8c4ceac55cbba5b ?

[tacit bluff]

Bunch of pivots with little breaking power is a team that doesn't exert a lot of pressure

A pivot should enable something

[gusty pier]

where can i find sample teams?

[nocturne sable]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[steep latch]

https://pokepast.es/23210ed7d5a65e4a

Would someone be able to help me improve/polish this team? I decided to play around with gen9 ou for a whike since I got a bit bored from my niche formats. But I have very little experience with actual formats.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

registeel, and av moth are bad

glimorra is only good as a head in hyper offense

i recommend learning the meta and various playstyles by looking at samples

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[steep latch]

anything can go, but not the registeel

[low phoenix]

I cant help you then

[steep latch]

id play Aggron it was legal...

[low phoenix]

registeel isnt going far in a meta full of zamazenta and ting lu

[low phoenix]

the changes i want to make are very similar to this sample team so im just going to put it here lol

https://pokepast.es/af25fed7fb99cdad

[low phoenix]

iron crown > av alomomola
ogerpon wellspring > moltres
darkrai > kingambit

[winter dagger]

Oh that's because I was trying to modify that sample team to not have a kingambit in it (i hate him and i on the low ladder dont want to get used to something that rewards almost losing). I forgot to mention that originally because it was midnight trying to find or assemble a good team with ogerpon in it and I wanted to go to bed

[hot dome]

we don't help with modified sample teams, as you're better off just using the actual samples

[winter dagger]

Then I will make my own for oger

[low phoenix]

kingambit doesnt reward you for losing

even without supreme overlord its bulk typing priority and swords dance make it still a great wincon

[fallow garden]

a great mon in general tbh

amazing soft check to pult and ghold

[low phoenix]

kingambit may be #9 in SPL but it will always be my #2 in ladder ❤️

[fallow garden]

april usage stats are out aren’t they

[tacit bluff]

ye

[fallow garden]

link

[tacit bluff]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/usage-based-tier-update-for-april-2025.3762573/

[silver river]

If i made a team out of these 6, would it work?

[low phoenix]

why did you cross out iron valiant

[nocturne sable]

Maybe he wants to use ting Lu instead of valiant

[nocturne sable]

Probably not that bad tbh, grinds up to mid ladder at least

If you put the right teras and stuff for Gliscor, Valiant etc

[low phoenix]

ting dragonite ghold is a good core

[tepid hazel]

So my team is good?

[low phoenix]

make the changes i suggested and it should be solid

i just patched up some defensive holes that i thought your team had

[tepid hazel]

Did you mean <

I also definitely want to keep iron crown

[silver river]

A little too frail for my liking

[silver river]

Yes

[silver river]

I already am mid ladder tho 🥲

[desert citrus]

https://pokepast.es/9ea943960f5282bf
tried making a genuine OU team.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/05a1e30d2d6d3c00
i've been laddering with this team and peak 1620 with them however this team kinda struggles with sun team esp if they are speed boosted walking wake

headsmash on tusk is for the legendary birbs and flying tera gambit as it allow to ohko after spikes/rocks chip

[fallow garden]

^ @pale mortar

[hot dome]

idt this team is a sample?

[barren ridge]

Unless there's another samples thread, that one is not there or its an outdated one

So no, not a sample

[runic nebula]

Might’ve been referring to the posting teams bit but idk

[hot dome]

this is a decent improvement but considering its 6-0ed by lu + corv its not that good either, also incredibly kyurem weak as your only check is non-invested iron crown which will get worn down quickly

your speed control is also incredibly suspect as it cannot revenge kill +1 mons + needs significant chip to work anyways, and dnite often requires tera to pick up kills

really not a fan of specs crown in ting lu meta + rising gking usage

o yeah this gets 6-0ed by weavile

[pale mortar]

dam alr thx

what are some checks for kyurem and weavile?

[hot dome]

think its worth doing something like
drop crown, drop hamurott, slot on tink, slot on spikes on ting lu

then mixed pult as your final slot

[pale mortar]

alr

[hot dome]

o yeah run knock over head smash on tusk

its basically the same + better utility elsewhere anyways

[pale mortar]

ight i just run head smash as it can ohko moltres

[hot dome]

knock does the same effectively with rocks up

[pale mortar]

true

[pale mortar]

tbh what can i swap dnight out for? it damage is kidna meh and i kinda want smthing that can provide immediate power

im thinking of stuff like scizor, rilla, lokix rn

[hot dome]

Don’t, you need the cleaner

[pale mortar]

true

alr

ill just make progress thru knockling hdb and hazards chip then

[unkempt sandal]

first OU team built https://pokepast.es/cadb541e4d2ee2ce

[fallow garden]

^

[unkempt sandal]

Anything anyone would change? I've had some success with it

[desert citrus]

made some tweaks to my earlier team: https://pokepast.es/10bba3d46bdbda8c
added pecha to answer ogerpon-w and heatran for corviknight and tera fairy gholdengo

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale mortar]

ngl i would go earth power + earth tera or earth tera, tera balst on kyurem

[desert citrus]

is this for a particular pokemon?

oh wait its probably for kingamit and gholdengo

ok thanks

[pale mortar]

tinkaton

aswell

tera fire tera blast is also a option and be immune to wisp

[desert citrus]

noted, though i think i'll stick with tera ground/ep since my kyurem happens to be mixed

[nocturne sable]

Team looks pretty sus to bolt

[hot dome]

Please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

This is mostly towards hugao qua your suggestion wasn’t bad

[nocturne sable]

Ic

[desert citrus]

what do you recommend?

[hot dome]

Give me a few minutes I’ll rate it

[fallow garden]

me when mono ice kyu

[hot dome]

This team has no spdef checks and thus loses to basically every spattacker, ie darkrai kyurem etc
Your phys def walls also aren't very reliable, your mu into wellspring is weak as both checks are vulnerable to hazards, while your mu into threats like dnite isn't that great either
Your two breakers/sweepers are both slow that are vulernable to either revenge killing or encore/trades
This team just doesn't work as a bulky offense team, you don't have the offense to put pressure or the defensive backbone to sustain against threats

This team unfortunately just does not work

I would recommend using samples for now to learn more about common cores used on these teams, they literally just got updated so they should be pretty good rn

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[desert citrus]

what counts as a spdef check in OU?

[unkempt sandal]

first OU team built, any changes? https://pokepast.es/cadb541e4d2ee2ce

[hot dome]

mons like Gking, Ting Lu, AV Primarina, AV Crown, etc

[desert citrus]

i see. Regarding the hazard issue, would my team improve if i switched up hazard removal?

[hot dome]

There are frankly too many issues with your team that I would recommend a total overhaul instead

Like I said, I would recommend using a sample team for now

[desert citrus]

if i still want to build a team around cm prim, what playstyle suits that best? so i know which samples to practice with

[hot dome]

bulky offense/offense

[fallow garden]

https://pokepast.es/40b6bff80a7d28e3 @desert citrus

here is a prim team :3

[silver river]

'#1 clod fan' forgets to mention clod
Massive aura loss

[hot dome]

yeah cuz clod does not fit on bo

[silver river]

He just asked for spD checks

[fallow garden]

yes that’s a sample btw :3

so it’s good!!

unlike if i made it

(would be bad)

https://pokepast.es/00578d1b0fed72e9

i act have a prim team

@hot dome thoughts

[hot dome]

funky

[fallow garden]

real

custap prim is silly

[unkempt sandal]

first OU team built, any changes? https://pokepast.es/cadb541e4d2ee2ce

[fallow garden]

@hot dome

[hot dome]

im in class rn another rater will get to it

[fallow garden]

mb gang

[desert citrus]

thank you

[fallow garden]

tf are those tink and lando evs

also max hp bolt ?_?

[unkempt sandal]

I like max hp bolt

Lando evs allow it to survive a make it rain after stealth rock and a -1 ogerpon-w ivy cudgel from full hp

Tinkatons speed is to allow it to outspeed max speed gholdengo. And still be a decent physical wall

[fallow garden]

idl phys def tink

also id go up to outspeeding Lando

at least tusk

and pech tbh

its only 3 more speed and you can encore a recover/malig

[nocturne sable]

Hmm,

No hazard removal with only one boots user

[fallow garden]

that is also sus af

[unkempt sandal]

Yeah I noticed that too

[fallow garden]

spikes 6-0 you

[unkempt sandal]

Yeah, who would I replace and with what

For hazard removal

[fallow garden]

Tusk>Lando

you alr have krai for a speedster

however zama looks

spooky

[unkempt sandal]

So tusk over Lando for hazards

Which tusk should I run?

[fallow garden]

standard

[unkempt sandal]

Ok

What other changes

https://pokepast.es/a917537044ab310e updated so far

[fallow garden]

idl lo krai

esp here

id go boots or ebelt

[unkempt sandal]

ok

switched to ebelt

[fallow garden]

oh

also go baloon tink

with pickpockeyt

and go knock>rocks on tusk

[arctic frigate]

https://pokepast.es/66608cec14a7c256 if anyone could help me better this hazard stack team id apreciatte it

[rare orchid]

https://pokepast.es/f2c6f8f73c33e484

Built this team with fundamentals in mind, not the most inspired thing ever but I'm learning
Went 4-0 so I wanted some advice so I could check for any weaknesses I haven't come across yet now that I know I like the team

[pale mortar]

mixed kyurem dd set is sure scary

kyurem itself is sure scary tbh

[rare orchid]

That's true but realistically how do you check that

[hot dome]

people need to stop using heatran let it go

we have a better wall for moth its called ting lu and it doesnt explode to tera blast ground

[rare orchid]

I use it because I fight a lot of team that lose turn 1 to magma storm + taunt

[hot dome]

no good team loses to magma storm + taunt, if anything you're likely to go down 1 immediately due to the prevelance of threats like Tusk and Ting Lu in current meta

[rare orchid]

then they get chipped by magma on the switch in and I go out to my answer

Tusk takes like 80 and Lu about 40

[hot dome]

nothing on your team likes switching into either

especally ting lu

Drop Heatran, you already have two breakers in Wellspring and Pult + your team lacks reliable speed control

[pale mortar]

air balloon tingliu

is prolly the best way ngl

[hot dome]

Hugao, please stop giving advice

[pale mortar]

ban kyurem already

😭

[pale mortar]

mb gng

[hot dome]

Air Ballon Ting Lu isn't even a check to Kyurem anyways

[pale mortar]

wait

not tingliu

i mean

tinkaton

💀

mb

got messed up w the name

[hot dome]

Nor it is unreasonable for his team to check, as he already has Gking and Corv

[hot dome]

Drop Heatran for Kingambit, your team is extremely weak to ghost types rn

Drop either Brave Bird or Body Press on Corv you need Uturn, I would recommend Brave Bird and Tera FIghting for a better Gambit check

[unkempt sandal]

https://pokepast.es/3da8084a115ca67b how does this team look like now

[hot dome]

Alternatively, drop Lando for Ting Lu, still make the Corv changes, then swap out Heatran for either ID Zamazenta or Dnite

[rare orchid]

How would the Dnite version of this handle Za?

Tera Ghost whirlwind Lu?

[hot dome]

Zamazenta?

Pult + Gking + Corv

if that's still not enough you can tera ting lu

frankly, should be enough tho

[rare orchid]

kk

I'll test it a bit and see how I feel about it

ty

[tawny crater]

thanks for suggesting i look at sample teams, back above 1800 with this team tho

[fluid talon]

Erm akshully all ogerpon are female and all iron valiant are genderless so they can't fit into king and queen.

(Ogertrans?)

[arctic frigate]

could someone look at it plz

[winter dagger]

Ten thousand years of war

[nocturne sable]

Is there a reason why it’s even on the VR anymore

[fallow garden]

cuz its bad

gg

[nocturne sable]

Like I get heatran has a legacy but there is no reason to use it in the big 2025 💔

[fallow garden]

or wait

i missread

uh

cuz it can harras stall

thats like the only thing bro does anymore

[nocturne sable]

Does it not lose to Gliscor

Without Tera

[fallow garden]

i didnt say win

i said harras :<

trapper mons in genreal are rlly annoying for stall

[nocturne sable]

True

[fallow garden]

also physdef scor

gets fucking melted

and most are

[low phoenix]

change garg to max hp/spdef+ evs

[fallow garden]

max spdef garg moment

that guy is so fucking annoying

😭

[low phoenix]

zam to boots

or resto chesto

[fallow garden]

does someone have the odst hippo+garg squad

[low phoenix]

weavile to tera ghost

otherwise youre good

[arctic frigate]

the mons are good?

i dont need to change those?

[low phoenix]

yea your mons are good

[arctic frigate]

nice

btw

is triple axel replaceable with something

i do not like

a move so innacurate

[low phoenix]

triple axel has better calcs overall for mons that weavile wants to hit

[arctic frigate]

ok

[low phoenix]

252 Atk Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 302-358 (81.4 - 96.4%)

vs

252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 206-246 (55.5 - 66.3%)

[arctic frigate]

both 2hko

👍

[low phoenix]

252 Atk Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Raging Bolt: 406-486 (103.8 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs

252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Raging Bolt: 284-336 (72.6 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[arctic frigate]

hmm

thats good

[low phoenix]

you need less chip to kill great tusk with triple axel than icicle crash

[hot dome]

icicle crash does significantly less

if you want to run it you can but its not slashed on the set for a reason

[fallow garden]

252 Atk Never-Melt Ice Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 342-404 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

id recomend using it with nmi

but that requires a lot of support and the dmg is still

not epic

can also just go tera ice

[arctic frigate]

needs to be boots

i have no removal

[fallow garden]

just go tera ice with crash

252 Atk Tera Ice Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 384-452 (98.2 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[low phoenix]

on bootspam teams hdb is mandatory for weavile

[fallow garden]

252 Atk Tera Ice Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 276-328 (74.3 - 88.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after 3 layers of Spikes

its not

ideal

252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 206-246 (55.5 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after 3 layers of Spikes

[low phoenix]

tera hog

tera ghost better imo

[fallow garden]

but doing 60 to tusk is so ass

[low phoenix]

cuz extreme speed

[fallow garden]

yes genreally tera ghost/steel and taxel is better

but if you are going to run Crash Ice is probs better

+2 252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 414-488 (111.5 - 131.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

or just get up an sd

and play obsecnly good

+2 252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 414-488 (95.3 - 112.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

[fallow garden]

ftr Crash is better because its not contact both have dog shit acu

[arctic frigate]

whats ftr

[low phoenix]

for the record

[arctic frigate]

ah

[arctic frigate]

crash has 95

thats alot better than a 10% chance to miss 3 times

[fallow garden]

85%

if it was 95 it would be miles better

[arctic frigate]

oh

were both wrong

its 90

with 85 bp

[regal ginkgo]

Icicle Crash (Gen 9)

Has a 30% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

90

PP

10 (16)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Blocked by protection moves.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Can be selected by Metronome.

[fallow garden]

oh

💀

[arctic frigate]

haha

yeah

i justed looked it

xD

[fallow garden]

still not acurate tho :<

realistically your playing odds either way

[arctic frigate]

could i use another knocker?

maybe wellspring

or val

[fallow garden]

not on boots spam

wellspring is uber hazard weak

[arctic frigate]

thats true

and val?

[fallow garden]

is ok

[arctic frigate]

i can also do darkrai 4attack

knock and then 3 attacks

[low phoenix]

Which mon do you want to replace with Val

[arctic frigate]

weavile

as a knock user

[atomic crescent]

https://pokepast.es/1d73a12ed87a1dbb

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unkempt sandal]

https://pokepast.es/3b73b96b1548a414 Made this OU rain team. Wondering what changes I should make

[alpine furnace]

Do i need hazard removal on this balance team. If not I may remove corv

https://pokepast.es/c41e6358d53c9ccd

[low phoenix]

What kind of team are you trying to make

No hazards specs wake on sun

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/8942190a180f64b3 changed zama to ID press

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

I think you want even stronger removal honestly

Tusk is ideal but then it becomes hard to fit a dark without shifting like 3 whole moms

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm any suggestions? Or should I scrap it.

[dry canopy]

https://pokepast.es/7f6ebf228b3a63ed sun team with walking wake

[alpine furnace]

I could also run tusk > zamazenta

[fallow garden]

idl temper flare boots tusk here

also booster bolt on sun is

an idea

[unkempt sandal]

Idk what to do here. The team kinda mid ngl

[tacit bluff]

Rain is pretty mid in general

Ngl

[alpine furnace]

Should I go tusk > zamazenta and replace corviknight?

[nocturne sable]

You don’t need booster energy+sun btw

Sun already activates protosynthesis

[true flare]

https://pokepast.es/95e31d313726c68e gonna ff vs sun to save time

[tepid hazel]

How about maybe better the sun mu

https://pokepast.es/0baf7ffc0f4d2605 made this team which seems quite alright but I feel like it has some sort of issue, any ideas?

[nocturne sable]

This team seems.. kinda odd.

-Very questionable sets on this team like lum berry clear body pult.

-Why is there a random Ursaluna on this team, especially when it doesn’t really have the pivot support or hazard support needed

-team gets 6-0ed by Kyurem

[tepid hazel]

• lum berry clear body pult was the idea of the team, I wanted to test it and if it failed I’d go back to choice band
• I’ll swap the ursa out for a pivot
• ^ prima

[low phoenix]

what is lum berry pult for though

[tepid hazel]

wisp and twave

Also its a setup sweeper so it doesn’t appreciate burn

So ermmm

[nocturne sable]

Pult is already fast enough to avoid those, especially when you’re already running substitute

Leftovers will probably be a better item

[tepid hazel]

nty

[nocturne sable]

?

[tepid hazel]

no thanks

[nocturne sable]

Ik what nty means I’m just questioning your decision

[tepid hazel]

Well I don’t want to

See

This set isn’t negotiable

I don’t plan on using any other set

[tepid hazel]

Thanks for the prima suggestion btw it feels great

[wooden geode]

https://pokepast.es/2dc62801ffbd5c8b trying to make a tinakton balance! Tinka and gliscor are meant to hazard stack, great tusk for hazard removal, moltres for ground immunity and utility, dragonite for late game cleanup, and darkrai as a emergency cleaner + stall counter

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

I think this is pretty solid

[wooden geode]

Thanks!

[tacit bluff]

I'd consider roost dnite to give it some longevity as your win con

[wooden geode]

Replace ice spinner?

[tacit bluff]

Ice spinner is valuable coverage into gliscor but you have outs against it

[wooden geode]

Got it

[tacit bluff]

Lando is also an issue but eh Lando is defo not too strong into this squad

Molt gliscor tusk and rai give it trouble

One thing I will note is that you don't really have a great way of hitting Ogerpon

[wooden geode]

Yeah my lando matchup isn’t too bad

Yeahhhh

[tacit bluff]

Sludge wave rai is the only real thing here

[wooden geode]

With oger I usually have to Tera

[tacit bluff]

Zapdos is an option

So is dragapult

[wooden geode]

Hard to get it into oger tho

Maybe zap instead of moltres?

[tacit bluff]

That's what I'm thinking

Pult might be a cool idea too cause its a spinblocker

[wooden geode]

Ohhhh facts

Like a choice pult

[tacit bluff]

It's less stalwart into Ogerpon tho

[wooden geode]

Yeah

[tacit bluff]

Was lowk thinking hex pult to preserve the wisp option

Specs can absolutely work here tho

I tend to dislike two choice mons on the same team but I suppose it's not too bad here

Another option is pecharunt

[wooden geode]

I’ll try both options

[tacit bluff]

Pecharunt enjoys the status spreading of gliscor and tink with hex

So does pult tbf

Pecha is sturdier meanwhile pult exerts more offensive pressure

Both are good

[wooden geode]

I’ll try pult first since the speed control is nice

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

[wooden geode]

I also haven’t used much pecha

[tacit bluff]

I do think you need a ghost type tho

So either way

[wooden geode]

How reliable does pecha check oger

[tacit bluff]

Tera ghost on gliscor defo helps you out tho but that should be a last resort yk

Well nothing is a hard answer to Ogerpon but pecharunt can answer it relatively well

The more defensively invested one even moreso

[wooden geode]

Alr

[tacit bluff]

And malignant chain is very bad for Ogerpon

The nice thing about the pon matchup actually is that you're stacking hazards

And so it's gonna be knocked into better ko ranges

[wooden geode]

Bet

[tacit bluff]

Like dnite espeed may not ohko from full but if it's chipped down to 70% u should knock it out

If ur boosted

[wooden geode]

Pecha doesn’t learn knock off right?

[tacit bluff]

Nah it doesn't unfort

[wooden geode]

Dang

[tacit bluff]

You can slot knock onto gliscor if you run pech

As you're gonna be spreading poison anyway

[wooden geode]

I dunno I was thinking of getting one more mon with knock off since hazard stack is my whole plan

[tacit bluff]

You can even run knock on tink but I'd keep the encore

Knock on gliscor maybe

And then you have pecharunt to click malignant chain

[wooden geode]

I’ll try it

Well actually all of glisocr’s moves are pretty important

[tacit bluff]

Or you can click toxic yourself if you really want but that's kinda a sheist tech

Toxic is defo good here but if ur running pecha it's less mandatory

[wooden geode]

Oh yeah I forgot about pecha

Sure I’ll replace toxic on the pecha set and keep it on the dragapult

[tacit bluff]

Knock is also very nice cause of the hazards

[wooden geode]

Thank you so much 🙏

[tacit bluff]

Yw

[stray quest]

https://pokepast.es/b9185eb70b268875 trying to make a blaziken team

[hot dome]

blaziken frankly kinda sucks, so you need to surround it with as many teammates that can enable it properly

trailbalze zamazenta is unvialbe, double dance crown is a fish at best, and your team doesn't really have a lot of blaziken enablers or really a lot of synergy in general, its a weird offense team with some subpar/unviable picks

I would recommend hoenstly scrapping this team and rebuilding a veil team aorund blaziken as imo that's where it bests shine, especially since it matches up deecntly into Cinderace and Corviknight

A core of Atales + Blaziken + friends could work

[wooden geode]

So I tried both sets and both are good but I was wondering if you think sinischa could work… I kinda struggle with water since I can’t hit it for super effective and having sinischa would help me best water types as well as threatening tusk

[tacit bluff]

sinis works

gives you another wincon too

[alpine furnace]

We can thank the 1/8 crit chance for that.

[stray quest]

https://pokepast.es/6190ce5b46abc6fd something more like this?

[hot dome]

not really, most of these picks really don't work on veil, im not sure why you keep spamming sotred power mons but they're notoriously fishy especially in ting lu's meta, pecharunt doesn't fit on veil, and ihead kyurem is not good

Honestly at this point I'd recommend using a sample team for now just to learn the meta first before building, its unfortunately clear you don't know a lot of the viable sets/mons to use, so I would recommend laddering first to learn them before trying to build a team

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/