SV OU Rates

[wanton gyro]

i only recently stole this team from the ladder so i'm no stall expert either. here's a team you can maybe help improve (stolen as well):
https://pokepast.es/816abc972921ada9

[elder knoll]

This team is missing a f-sight absorber

also the best Waterpon switch in in Mushroom

[wanton gyro]

mushroom can't take an f-sight can he

[elder knoll]

You can convert one of your current mobs

into a f-sight absorber

[wanton gyro]

drop clod for mushroom i guess because mushroom can wall ghold

i think

blissey already there

[elder knoll]

no you’d drop Clef here

for Mushroom

[tacit bluff]

shuca berry ghold is certainly smth

this isn't bad tho

[wanton gyro]

it baits and kills kyurem and tusk every time it's so funny

unless tusk is running eq

in that case u need chip first

and that team gets 6-0'd by stall because it doesn't have knock off

[tacit bluff]

hstack also seems

a lil dicey here

because nothing is running boots

[wanton gyro]

and that's exactly how i ended up stealing that stall team

[tacit bluff]

cinderace is fine but against dedicated hstack its uhhh

[wanton gyro]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2319282310-dold7aqbo24sy5r206cy76ok7bly5e7pw

[tacit bluff]

not good

[wanton gyro]

(im dinosaur)

just team preview and skip to end. im an ass player so feel free to comment on my play

[tacit bluff]

especially without other boots mons to alleviate the fact that you're not rly removing hazards just giving hazards to both parties

[elder knoll]

that team likely has a tea grass or dragon mon to deal with waterpon

[wanton gyro]

gliscor also a pain to play against with the zama team

[elder knoll]

have you taken a look

at that stall bible yet

[wanton gyro]

there's a stall bible

[elder knoll]

it explains stall buidling in depth

yeah I'll link it

[wanton gyro]

is there a bulky offense bible as well

i think the dozo is tera-water

in the team i submitted earlier i have it as tera-fighting

[elder knoll]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C9U6hzs-UoCkggEaUl0kdQ9J_YeAM63ra1ePsjKhlLw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[wanton gyro]

still no fsight absorber though, drop clef for mushroom and slowking hits

maybe skarm??

[elder knoll]

Modern stall have also been favoring a double defog core

[wanton gyro]

bliss?

[elder knoll]

Blissey can be coverted to a f-sight abosrber

if you put rocks on Scor

more modern stalls have been favoring a dual defog core

with Geezing/a bird or spinner

but that's a convo for another time

[wanton gyro]

if the opponent brings wogerpon and glowking with fsight

which is not uncommon

i just lose

right?

[elder knoll]

yeah that's why you have a f-sight absorber

[wanton gyro]

actually no wait we just dropped clef for mushroom

right

i forgot we did that

so then i have to immediately tera

[elder knoll]

then hard swap into mushroom

you switch onto the Glowking immedietely after the f-sight

and then click protect

then you hard switch to mushroom

if they bring in waterpon

[wanton gyro]

im up a turn if they bring in wogerpon

clear smog or foul play for free

or tox

does f-sight OHKO is the question

0 SpA Slowking-Galar Future Sight vs. 248 HP / 16 SpD Amoonguss: 332-392 (77 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

ok so it kills

[elder knoll]

Blissey is your f-sight absorber

not mushroom

https://pokepast.es/cce015b6a0205ef1

it should look like this

[wanton gyro]

i see

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/5f4838b271b21ac4

this is what a more modern stall looks like

you can see the double defog core here

this one has 2 win cons

in Dozo and Gliscor

[native saffron]

https://pokepast.es/c3cd009085e93eb4 made a bit of changes (Oh yeah if you're wondering ogerpon-W boils my team alive, not sure how to fix that issue)

[low phoenix]

Iron treads > ting lu

Mola > moltres

Gholdengo > sinistcha

Valiant > tinkaton

Just gave you a solid bulky hazard stack

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/f7c484483c4a2885

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[calm roost]

Ok asking again, is this missing anything? It feels like there’s a hole somewhere https://pokepast.es/0174879b7df0b951

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/create
how's this team

[runic nebula]

No paste available

[pale mortar]

oof

https://pokepast.es/a5b917034f38a447

here

[calm roost]

There’s actually no holes here, actually. It’s totally fine. Strong team.

[tacit bluff]

Yeah it's standard HO

[manic leaf]

It's been a while since I used Smogon, since I took a break from competitive Pokemon

https://pokepast.es/96a8a8bf6232dac0
Is this team any good? I can't help but feel like it's a little weak, especially with Clefable.

• Zamazenta is meant to be a balance of defense and offence, with the added benefit of bullying Kingambit.
• Gholdengo is meant to be an Iron Valiant check, as well as scarf offense.
• Garganacl's set is meant to be defensive, while countering opposing Garganacl and helping against stall teams. I usually run another move over Earthquake, like Stealth Rock or smth else.
• Clefairy is... well, just support. I wanted to run Calm Mind, but chose healing wish for unknown reasons.
• Dragonite is for heavy hitting and switching in after Clefable uses /kill. I feel like running something else.
• Walking Wake is supposed to be a strong special attacker, since I felt the team was lacking in that apartment.

I fear Iron Valiant and Kingambit for this team, and I can't help but feel like it's weak to fairies.
It's been a while since I've played competitive, so I definitely need advice and help
Also, Roaring Moon keeps talking to me like the Green Goblin mask, and I kind of wanna use them

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/2ed211e1d9baa5f1 how is this BO

Would offensive pivot ogerpon be better on this team?

[fallow garden]

yes

[low phoenix]

Feels like this team can be converted to a bulky hazard stack

Make zama Resto Chesto

Change clef to its standard defensive set

Change dragon claw to roost

Make walking wake hazard setter ting Lu with spikes

[alpine furnace]

I feel like I defo lose to moon https://pokepast.es/26e6836a3f735ba9

I could be wrong

Also would it be better to replace clef with great tusk since primarina + zamazenta + gliscor seems like a solid defensive core already, tusk can act as the spinner if its needed.

[low phoenix]

You can make prim Tera ghost for a free win vs stall

Also you have clef defensive prim and roar zama your moon matchup is aight

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/40eef0af8ecea445

RMT

[elder knoll]

No rocks/10

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/9925f6de9bb7fae9 anything else?

[winter dagger]

Is this team anything, and more importantly, how can I viably fit a haxorus into here? The sableye's existence is non-negotiable, but I feel like I could be using him better than I am. https://pokepast.es/3e8368db744c77be
The hatterene and corviknight are my two beefy lads that I lead with, the dragapult and iron valiant are revenge killers/offensive pivots/I'mjustthrowingtermsaroundI'mnot100%certainI'musingthemcorrectly, and if I can land an encore or switch in against a passive pokemon, iron valiant and polteageist are setup sweepers. Bastard is what prankster does.

[manic leaf]

https://pokepast.es/2fadac187a08be2a

Something like this?

Should I change Rocks to something else for Ting-Lu?

[hot dome]

Sorry, we can’t help teams if you insist we build around two unviable pokemon: both sableye and Haxorus are not viable in OU, and a team with one or both of them would be unviable as well

[manic leaf]

I love Harorus but yeah it would get folded like laundry

*Haxorus

[winter dagger]

At the very least I want to use a sableye, it's my favorite pokemon and if I can use it as a utility guy or a foul play revenge killer then I'll be happy

[hot dome]

Like I said, we just can’t build a team with Sableye: it’s not viable

It’s utility is very poor and doesn’t offer anything else

[winter dagger]

Does it not do the same thing as anything else with prankster?

[hot dome]

Priority Wisp isn’t very impressive when you’re setup fodder for Dark types and we have better Wispers that can actually hit them

No

[winter dagger]

What about using disable or light screen with it?

[elder knoll]

if you want a screen setter their Grimsnarl

[hot dome]

We still have better setters for screens and disable is not a good move

[elder knoll]

and A-tails

[winter dagger]

What makes one thing better than another at setting screens?

[elder knoll]

actual bulk or setting in one turn

[hot dome]

Better utility as well

Grimmsnarl can pivot out with Parting, Atales can set snow and have an actual offensive presence

• set screens in one turn

[winter dagger]

Well do you have comments on the rest of the team besides the sableye?

[hot dome]

How can we rate a team of only 5 mons?

If you want to play a gimmick team, we will not stop you, but this is not the channel for it

[winter dagger]

It's not a gimmick team, I'm trying to make the sableye useful too

[hot dome]

You are trying to build around an unviable pokemon: it’s a gimmick team

[winter dagger]

I am trying to include a single unviable pokemon, I'm not centering my whole team around it

[hot dome]

You refuse to drop the Pokemon when asked

[winter dagger]

Ok fine, pretend for a moment that the sableye is a grimmsnarl if that makes you happy, what about the rest of the team?

[hot dome]

You won’t listen to the advice in good faith (and grimmsnarl doesn’t even work on this team anyways)

[winter dagger]

What utility guy would work then?

[hot dome]

Are you actually going to listen, or just turn around and replace them with sableye afterwards?

[winter dagger]

Ok don't be an asshole

I do want to know what other good utility pokemon are

I want to have a bastard on my team who exists to annoy people, whatever that might be

[hot dome]

Utility is an incredibly wide range of Pokemon

[winter dagger]

And I am an incredibly new person to competitive pokemon

[hot dome]

Subcategories include:
Hazard setters like Ting Lu, Gliscor, Skarmory, etc
Hazard removers like Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Coriknight
Status spreaders like Gliscor, Dragapult, Moltres, etc

And other categories

[winter dagger]

What about users of things like encore, haze, tailwind, those types of moves?

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/87b5e0acbec535b7 any changes?

the team name is kinda misleading btw

[alpine furnace]

Encore is mostly used by set up mons to force free turns, hazw is typically used by really bulky status spreaders but the only relevant one I think would use it is maybe Toxapex

[hot dome]

Tailwind is unviable in singles, and haze is usually limited to one or two Pokemon (currently only Pex, who is very niche), while Encore does see some more usage through Pokemon like iron Valiant and Ogerpon-W

[low phoenix]

just search up the move in the showdown team creator and youll see which mons have x move

[alpine furnace]

^^^

[low phoenix]

clef can be stealth rock and lu earthquake over stealth rock but double hazard ting works

also hazard stack must have at least one knock off user

in your team that would be clef

[fluid talon]

https://pokepast.es/e69396f242a2278c
Does the layout of this team work whatsoever? Glimmora and Hatterene are there to be bulky and hit specially hard, Dragonite and Mamoswine for physical sweeping, but also all of those are slow compared to mons like Weavile and Gliscor (i'm not gonna use Weavile cause I really don't like that thing, plus I love Gliscor so much--it's my computer and showdown background--but I can't find a way to make it good in my play style) Zamazenta is for being a wall and going Tera Fairy if needed and Thundurus is for Pranking. I do feel like I never use utility mons that much and so I don't think Thundurus is being very useful here as I love clicking the "shoot that guy" button.

[alpine furnace]

Bulky glimmora?

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

only hatterenes set is viable

wait nvm

the evs

[fluid talon]

its for special sweeping the bulky part was for hatterene

[low phoenix]

i recommend using a sample team they are meant for new players to get used to what various team structures look like since you look new to teambuilding

[winter dagger]

Besides whatever I do with the sableye slot, how does the rest of my team look?

[low phoenix]

no your team looks solid

if you struggle with zapdos clef can be knock off over thunder wave and scor toxic over knock off

[fluid talon]

none of those stand out as something I want to use in competitive + I only really use Pokemon I enjoy looking at (thank god I have good taste)

but what about the team itself

[low phoenix]

i just said that your sets are unviable

and "I only really use Pokemon I enjoy looking at" sounds like a red flag that you dont actually want to make your team competitive

which this channel is for

wait

[slow night]

😵‍💫

[low phoenix]

ahh shit

tagged the wrong person

mb

@alpine furnace I just realized your team looks weak to ghosts

clef can be stealth rock garg

[fallow garden]

garg in big 25 </3

[hot dome]

Either way, with or without the Sableye, this team isn't good, as you seem to be split between BO and HO, with a random Polteageist thrown in. As you have said yourself you're pretty new to the tier, I would recommend using a sample team to get a good grasp fof the tier first before building, and you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[winter dagger]

What does BO and HO mean? Is that something like bulky offense and high offense?

[hot dome]

#comp-general message
here's a good explanation of the various teamstyles

[winter dagger]

I thought it was good to have a team that does a variety of things, instead of all bulky or all aggressive

[hot dome]

Depends on the teamstyle

All fat and all aggressive are two cornerstones of the tier's playstyles, in stall and hyper offense respectively

[winter dagger]

I tend to get more mileage out of my corviknight and hatterene, so I'll see about making this team bulky offensive

[fluid talon]

Okay how do I make it viable then

[low phoenix]

^

Same advice as this guy

[hot dome]

Maybe not the first half lol, but yeah

[low phoenix]

Yea the second half lol

[fluid talon]

The advice was looking at sample teams which I have done

[alpine furnace]

Does that solve the ghost issue? If so, I assume its because garg is just generally a huge rank.

Tank*

[low phoenix]

Garg takes half damage from ghost attacks

Prim can be av if you are concerned about mir from gholdengo

[winter dagger]

It hurt to do so, but I talked myself into removing the sableye and also looking into what makes a team good at what my hatterene and corviknight were so good at https://pokepast.es/1c8e5360d7013106

[empty verge]

This team has no way to punish gambit which is an issue

Wisp > twave on pult

Make weavile Tera ghost (you avoid priority like vacuum wave from iron valiant and espeed from Dragonite)

Make ting Lu tera poison

I feel you can drop hatt tbh I’m not really a big fan of that mon yeah you bounce rocks but it has poor longevity and it takes a lot to get going and the stuff that clicks rocks (like tusk) it doesn’t switch well on.

Actually I lied keep spikes on ting Lu and go clef > hatt

Clef is much better here

[winter dagger]

Hatterene has been the most horrifying creature on my team the whole time I've had it, respectfully, and it's also just one of my favorite pokemon in general

[empty verge]

I think you might want press on Corv too

[winter dagger]

With iron defense?

Or would it be better to just go brave bird and body press so I have room for defog and roost

[empty verge]

No just press

Pon should be fine between that pecha and pult

[winter dagger]

You're saying those two can handle ogerpon fine?

[empty verge]

Yes

As of this moment you have no way to immediately pressure gambit which is an issue

[winter dagger]

I'll look up what counters it

[empty verge]

Body press,uturn, roost,fog

Press makes gambit’s opportunities limited

[winter dagger]

I return to the field now with this wisdom, my gratitude upon thee

[empty verge]

Good luck

[winter dagger]

what if i replaced hatterene with tinkaton

is that anything

[empty verge]

Tink works as well I just like clef due to the fact it matches better into stuff like Garg and pre tera moon

And ofc not taking hazards

You can make multiple versions and see what you like most though I won’t gatekeep

[tacit bluff]

This is ok-ish you have a nice core with sinis gliscor molt and glowking and they cover for each other p well, but weavile and keldeo are kinda oddballs to me lowk, boots weav without swords dance really doesn't have the damage output it needs and it ends up losing to things it honestly shouldn't lose to, like great tusk, lowk I think knock wisp darkrai can be in that slot providing decent pressure and being a tad less frail

As for keldeo, i think boots zama can fill the role of kingambit check better while being much more sturdy and having fewer poor mus all out attacking with boots seems nice

Alternatively you can go stealth rocks tusk if you wanna stack more hazards which I don't think is a bad idea

If you wanna pivot to being a bit more aggressive with this playstyle you can run hisuian samurott as your spiker and give gliscor the rocks instead

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/8e4529c4024863e5

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

I think that roaring moon can be eq Tera ground to improve the kingambit matchup a little more

[fluid talon]

https://pokepast.es/5aec71ab499fde17
I think I've made a half decent team I just need to know what kinds of tera types to give as I very often struggle with those

[empty verge]

This team looks slapped together if I’m honestly speaking.

1. You are running calm mind drain punch iron valiant.

2. Random Reuni, band blaziken,and grimsnarl.

3. What is the goal or idea behind the team? Always when you build something consider what you are building around and what it’s trying to do.

From my understanding there wasn’t much thought behind this build. This isn’t to knock your understanding of the game I’m just being honest. Please please use resources and to further build your understanding and knowledge of the ou Metagame this stuff does not happen overnight.

[tacit bluff]

^

lots of these sets are sub optimal

[tranquil sable]

WildFire getting rated by Wildfire

[fluid talon]

Would a team that's like: special sweeper, physical sweeper (both could have set up moves), physical wall, special wall, hazard setter, and prankster work?

Cuz that's indeed a team I wanna use

[hot dome]

not really

the only viable prankster user is grimmsnarl which is incredibly niche and honestly frankly outclassed by atales and debatebly deo-s as a screens setter, and walls don't belong on screens

[fluid talon]

What would replace a prankster then

[low phoenix]

A ninetales

The best screens setter rn

[fluid talon]

you think I wanna use atales?

[low phoenix]

Although Im personally not the biggest fan of screens as your matchup becomes much harder if the other guy has a cinderace

Why wouldn’t you

As I said it’s the best screens setter rn

[fluid talon]

I really don't enjoy it plus I don't like screens

[low phoenix]

Prankster honestly isn’t very good in this meta rn with the amount of dark types running around rn

None of the other setters are viable as pokemon in ou only grimmsnarl is useable

[fluid talon]

Ok but what utility mons are there

[charred canopy]

tinkaton

[low phoenix]

Dedicated utility mons include clefable alomomola corviknight iron treads Lando t tinkaton

[hot dome]

Utility is an incredibly wide range of roles and Pokemon ranging from "Offensive with Knock Off" to "Completely Defensive Walls"

[low phoenix]

A bunch of other mons have utility too like iron valiant and ogerpon with encore

Or even darkrai and clefable with knock off/status

[low phoenix]

^

[fluid talon]

Mons that don't fit into the other mentioned categories and defensive wall and knock off offensive fit into named categories

[hot dome]

Ok I don't really get what you're asking for then because you didn't even mention Knock Off but this conversation is straying and isn't really related to rates in the first place ngl so let's move to #comp-general

[fluid talon]

Alrighty

[charred canopy]

pretty much nothing is exclusively utility and if they are they're bad

closest you'll get is a hyper offense lead

[narrow crest]

thinking maybe scarf lando over enam if i wanna keep the fairy on moon?

[low phoenix]

scarf lando can work

you can make rock pon water pon for a water attack absorber

too

for some sheist gameplay you can give waterpon spikes over knock off for a nice mid ground

make it the pivot set btw

and make ting lu stealth rock

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/6c34408cf7d15dce
any changes?

[fluid talon]

Choice band Tera blast on pult doesn't make sense but other then that my very little competitive knowledge brain sees nothing wrong. Choice band wood hammer could be problematic though

[torpid tapir]

can someone reply to this comment with a good doubles ou team? it would help a lot and maybe even give me a strategy

[low phoenix]

please dont give rates if youre not knolwedgeable in the tier

choice band rilla is still a viable set even if rilla as a mon has fallen off as of recently

[pale mortar]

oh choice on pult with tera blast is for ghost tera blast stab

which is more reliable than phantom force

[fluid talon]

Makes sense but then again no choice boost

[pale mortar]

wym?

tera blast damage type change to the user highest attack stat

when terra

[fluid talon]

Oh damn I forgor about that

[elder knoll]

what

[fluid talon]

So @pale mortar what's with the bio

[charred canopy]

tera blast is standard on choice band pult

[pale mortar]

it just a copy-paste bio 😭

[charred canopy]

the only weird part is having both phantom force and tera blast but the other options suck too so whatever

[pale mortar]

welp any changes since 3 choice user kinda weird

[pale mortar]

ye ill prolly frop phantom force for sucker punch

just for some scarf

[fluid talon]

Why does it say your part of an organization (idk if the server doesn't like that funny word so I won't risk it)

[pale mortar]

nah i had this bio for 2 years already

[fluid talon]

Ah damn

[low phoenix]

its a well known joke bio on discord lol

its all g

[narrow crest]

non sd pon on ho tho?

[low phoenix]

looks more like offense than ho to me

[narrow crest]

idk thats all ive run ive never really expanded on it

[low phoenix]

if you ran a ho it would be a suicide lead + 5 setup mons

[narrow crest]

i mean you CAN use the ting like a suicide lead tho its not needed

[low phoenix]

you can try that as a gimmicky set but i wouldnt call ting lu a lead

its toolkit is best utilized as a blanket special check and hazard setter/anti offense with phazing

[pale mortar]

team kinda struggle with wellspring ogepon should i just run a tera dragon alomola then?

or a tera steel

[low phoenix]

a better suicide lead would be focus sash hamurott

[narrow crest]

oh i agree but with my experience with the set it gives crazy oportunity for moon to come in

[fluid talon]

Congrats a sentence that is entirely acronyms and abbreviations and would confuse 95% of the planet

[low phoenix]

you can try that in the late game to make sure your roaring moon can setup and come in safely

my advice for gimmicky sets would just be test it and see if it works

[pale mortar]

i mean it understandable

sd = sword dance. pon = ogerpon, ho = offense

[fluid talon]

Ye

[low phoenix]

the more you play the more you'll get used to these abbreviations

also dont forget rule 8 #1024432517077540904

[fluid talon]

Soon enough my paragraph about my team will be reduced to three words
Let's go

[torpid tapir]

hey can anyone help me get started with team building, either give me a team or help me learn, I really cant find a team

[worthy raven]

https://pokepast.es/55b97854919cc2fa Is this any good?

I through it together based on what I've heard

[low phoenix]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

here you go

[fluid talon]

Ah damn I wish to assist people but I... am not allowed to..?

[runic nebula]

This is for VGC rates from what I can tell

[torpid tapir]

thank you, but its there a reason zamzenta isn't working, and is there a way to accsess stratgeys so I know what im doing?

[worthy raven]

is this not for vgc?

[runic nebula]

No it is not

[worthy raven]

uh my bad

sorry

[barren ridge]

you would use this thread here https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

@worthy raven

[worthy raven]

thank you👍

[low phoenix]

smogon has analysis for the vast majority of pokemon currently listed in the viability ranking

zamazenta hero is allowed while zamazenta crowned is banned

the distinction is important

[low phoenix]

the point is that you arent experienced in the tier which more often than not leads to giving bad advice which is worse than no advice for all

the entire point of this channel is to help inexperienced players learn by getting feedback on their teams and helping them improve as teambuilders

[fluid talon]

And I'm not allowed to put my input on anything then?

[barren ridge]

is there a way to accsess stratgeys so I know what im doing?
there are metagame resources in the ou subforum and there is also the strategy dex which you can find here https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon

[low phoenix]

me and nocturne nugget started out as generic users in the smogcord who just happened to actively help peoples teams before we were made official competitive raters

you can give your input as long as it is quality input

the best course of action would be to step back for a bit learn some teambuilding by using sample teams/playing mons then coming back once you are more knowledgable in the meta/different playstyles

as we told you like a million times previously

[fluid talon]

Not that what I have to say is more helpful then what people like you who know anything about competitive but also I love yapping

[low phoenix]

ok then yap in #comp-general not here

[fluid talon]

👍

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/8e0e22ec896d96fecan
can someone feedback on my team and tell me if there any changes i should ake

👍

[magic walrus]

No available paste (error)

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/2a42041527572ab6

mb

[misty basin]

Seems standard

I'd say switch out Earth Power for Earthquake on Landorus

[tacit bluff]

p sure I rated this like

2 days ago

oh wait its modified

I'll get back to this then

[fluid talon]

https://pokepast.es/ddb64be8543405ee
I believe that this counts as Balanced. I have two mons for hitting hard, two mons for getting hit hard and surviving, and two utility mons. I want to know if this is actually built well or what type weaknesses there are.

[low phoenix]

This feels more like a hyper offense than a balance with Iron boulder lead deoxys g moltres

Unfortunately I don’t think this team is salvageable you should think about why x mon is x position in the vr as well as how each mon synergizes with each other not just what they do

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[elder knoll]

Manual sun and rocky helmet Pult

is wild

dual status t-bolt isn't it either

[low phoenix]

Balance aims to have a defensive core (ex. Ting Lu pecharunt or tinkaton moltres) which this team lacks and usually tries to play the longer game with hazards while also having an offensive presence with breakers like darkrai or swords dance gliscor

[tacit bluff]

also any water move that isn't hydro steam or flip turn on wake is fake

[low phoenix]

scald is useable on boots wake in balance teams

[tacit bluff]

shoulda specified sun wake

[pulsar swan]

https://pokepast.es/94f49d908071835d

wsg everyone, new to showdown and recently built this team. I want to hear ya'll thoughts

P.S not familiar with the abbreviations and terms so be aware lol

[low phoenix]

i like the fundamentals of your team but what kind of playstyle are you going for?

i can see it becoming a bulky offense/balance team in which i can send over an alteration of your team to you

sash hisuian samurott looks weird in your team though

[pulsar swan]

i'm leaning towards bulky offense

[pulsar swan]

ohh why?

[low phoenix]

sash hamurott doesnt have longetivity

its main goal is to just set spikes as a suicide lead then die

its only seen on very fast paced hyper offensive teams

https://pokepast.es/3f18d7d96de1ca15

[pulsar swan]

oh sure

[low phoenix]

i sent it via pokepaste

the pokepaste link above

[pulsar swan]

what's the diff between moltes and zapdos

[fallow garden]

one is a fire type the other is electric

one has flame body the other static

other than that not much

they both fulfill a pretty similar role

[low phoenix]

the other is better at checking ogerpon wellspring which balance often struggles against

[fallow garden]

up

[lethal burrow]

https://pokepast.es/19fea5ea71452427

dont rlly touch s/v too often but i figured id try giving it a shot

looking for how to make this less kyurem weak because its really rough

[low phoenix]

dont like your darkrai matchup either

fat is kinda mid rn tbh but if you still wanna go for it slot in spikes ting lu over ogerpon w

make skarmory stealth rock

make gliscor swords dance

[lethal burrow]

then im double rocks

should i just run like idbp on garg?

[low phoenix]

curse garg exists

[lethal burrow]

yea meant curse

[low phoenix]

still trying to think about how to patch the kyu matchup tho

you dont need weezing g and pecharunt

[lethal burrow]

i feel like if i drop anything its weeze

since its kinda overlapping w/ skarm

does garg not deal with rai?

tinka maybe?

im gonna eat rq and work this out then

[low phoenix]

not nasty plot rai

[lethal burrow]

ic

[low phoenix]

ok so keep stealth rock garg

pecharunt > moltres

skarmory > boots pult

gliscor > swords dance earthquake knock off sp. def scor

ogerpon wellspring > bulky kingambit

btw here is a classic if you want to try an unconventional fat team

https://pokepast.es/a4c28ee1deee38fd

[lethal burrow]

awesome

ty

[azure vigil]

https://pokepast.es/d6b6a9329f62d1d2

kinda struggling with this lately

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[azure vigil]

it's banded hax

it used to feel pretty solid but recently ive been struggling with the boots ting keld balances and toxapex balances stuffl ike that

[low phoenix]

wheres the 6th mon on your team

[azure vigil]

6th slot used to be goodra but i realized pex walls this team to death

[low phoenix]

hax is unviable its funny vs stall but i cannot recommend it in any capacity

[tacit bluff]

hax kinda

sucks

there's nothing it does over the other dragons aside from goobing stall

which isn't enough to warrant it

and even then there's better stallbreakers

[azure vigil]

i dunno if i need to keep the goodra on this or not

i mean it's been decent but

i feel like no team should be losing to pex

lol

but without it i don't have a steel

and moth gets more aids

and other generally strong special attackers ig

i considered hoopa unbound in the goodra slot but not having a steel felt

wrong

[echo rampart]

i think SD hax has merit if you really wanna cteam stall but i wouldnt use choice band

i wouldnt use hax in general tbh

[fallow garden]

i feel like outrage is so fake

[azure vigil]

it's been alright so far tbh

dragon claw sucks and scale shot without loaded dice is kind of like

a bit of a gamble

and the multi hit doesn't matter as much when you ignore multi scale and sturdy and stuff like that (dnite and rockpon)

as for the team as a whole i changed out the zama for deoxys speed

fast

breaks pex and other stuff

just generally nice

[fluid talon]

does iron hands want to use ice punch or fire punch?

[fallow garden]

ice

[elder knoll]

Wait you’re Chip Whitley?!?!

hello from ladder and bye before I get yelled at

[azure vigil]

lol

[fallow garden]

that’s not in pokepaste still

[tidal sail]

Oh mb

I uploaded it

[fallow garden]

to the server?

[tidal sail]

To pokepaste

[fallow garden]

ok now send that link

[tidal sail]

https://pokepast.es/a7934404844dd12f

[fallow garden]

right of the bat Intelion, Goodra-H, and Krook aren’t really ou viable

[tidal sail]

I agree, thats kind of the point

But goodra hisui is actually really good in my opinion i use it a lot

[fallow garden]

to use bad mons?

[tidal sail]

I dont like OU spamming

[fallow garden]

i see

what elo are you at rn

[tidal sail]

Like 1340

[fallow garden]

i see

that’s probs why hoodra is being successful

[tidal sail]

That’s probably true

Only 2 weaknesses has been great but yeah top ladder most likely have a lot of things that counter it

[fallow garden]

i think the limited success it has seen is with cure bp rest knock and av

[tidal sail]

I dont like OU spamming cause its boring seeing the same team every time i fight someone

Its always kingambit great tusk gholdengo etc

But i see what you mean

[fallow garden]

mhm

[tidal sail]

Alr thanks

[low phoenix]

goodra h is niche but useable

like C+ in the vr

[fluid talon]

https://pokepast.es/91dde63183297c9c
Alright I've looked at a bunch of HO teams and have made a half physical half special HO(?) team. Is this an actually good team? (probably not I'm not very good at team building yet)

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/3da68388450da139
is this a good team? im running ttar just to counter the other weather team mainly sun and to prevent snow for aurora veil team

[magic walrus]

I don’t think sandy shocks is that viable.

[tacit bluff]

I lot of these sets are either sub optimal or on sub optimal pokemon

4 of your pokemon have tera blast which kinda just means that a lot of the time 3 or 4 of your pokemon may just end up with a dead moveslot, especially banded lando and roaring moon

sandy shocks simply isn't a good lead, everything it does iron treads does better and more. Choice locked lando without U turn is asking to be a momentum sink and most of the time HO avoids choice locked mons anyway. X scissor on roaring moon is a redudant slot as it hits p much nothing that moon actually cares about, it just results in this roaring moons set completely thudding into zamazenta, great tusk and kingambit the latter even with tera blast steel (which is also just, why?)

Iron Moth and Latios are fine but they have weird EVs, idk whats up with the spdef investment on both unless its to live a very specific hit and either way I would highly reccomend max speed on both since Latios' speed tier is just ok in this meta let alone when its not max speed

iron hands is fine but likewise needs speed investment

this team also has a p dire MU into balance structures with Ting Lu and phasing as you are very susceptible to hazards and with 3 booster mons incredibly prone to phasing, you're setting yourself up to lose momentum very quickly here

[fluid talon]

So what I'm getting is replace sandy shocks with iron treads, change up the movesets of moon and lando, then swap the items for the paradox mons?

(Also change Tera blast)

[tacit bluff]

well no, I'd drop iron hands for another sweeper outright, and tbh lando is a bit of a tough fit here, It can serve as your lead but its difficult to make it a sweeper outside of webs I'd also fix up ur EVs

[fluid talon]

Alrighty ty

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/c0e3b1f240a459e8
any changes? 🙏

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/8c2769be721fb4da

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

2nd time placing this team into the RMT

Not having much success with it, and I want to figure out why

[tepid hazel]

No ice resist

So u have to be careful with weavile

[echo rampart]

team doesn't rlly have much breaking power

you rely on combos like future sight stuff and knock darkrai + spikes

[fallow garden]

this should be sd scor and a different spikes mon

[tepid hazel]

What different spikes mon?

Skarm?

[fallow garden]

skarm or lu

[tepid hazel]

Over who

[fallow garden]

molt

[tepid hazel]

ic

[pale mortar]

true

[fallow escarp]

tried making a team around sub + protect + pressure kyu. how did this turn out? https://pokepast.es/624defdefe6c9000

[low phoenix]

rillaboom --> ting lu for a ground type and bulky anti offense

[fallow escarp]

right, I've also been stuggling to make sense of how hazards/court change/defog work

Will try it out with the Ting Lu modification on ladder

[elder knoll]

https://pokepast.es/230ebc597fe066e3

I’ve been tinkering with a Luna team

I want a second opinion on it though

as Kyurem can be a bit sus as times if it gets in at the wrong time

[fallow garden]

lo pult seems wack

cb zor

[elder knoll]

What item for Pult then?

[fallow garden]

boots

we love boots

[elder knoll]

I have H-Control with Lando + Hat though

🤔

ig for Samu

[fallow garden]

then go like

lefties or some shit

idk

lo seems wack on hex pult

if you wanna go lo

[elder knoll]

maybe I convert it to some weird mixed set

[fallow garden]

run the Draco/Darts/Sball/Wisp

[elder knoll]

yeah maybe I’ll try that

[fallow garden]

ts is fire

you can go u-turn>lo

but then your a bit weaker into gambit

[elder knoll]

🤔 maybe I slap Tera fighting on something

and call it a day lmao

[fallow garden]

tera ghost lando is

a set

[elder knoll]

Do you think Tera water or Tera fairy is better?

[fallow garden]

Yes lmfao

We go Tera Fairy here

[fallow garden]

tera dragon btw

[elder knoll]

👍

Does it still run 60/196

in offensive stats?

[fallow garden]

i think so

can also be 4/252

[elder knoll]

oki doki ty

[fallow garden]

np

[fluid talon]

hows this?
https://pokepast.es/b81d63d42e5320a0

[fallow garden]

so many of these sets look horrid

[fluid talon]

awesome advice

[fallow garden]

i was abt to go deeper into why but if you’d like i can not

[fluid talon]

continue

[fallow garden]

well for one

you have swords dance on iron crown with 3 special attacks

[fluid talon]

oh shit

[fallow garden]

idk why it’s boots either

modest moth is super ass

unless it’s on webs

[fluid talon]

should it be like timid?

[fallow garden]

also it should be booster speed

[fallow garden]

it should be the smogdex evs

[fluid talon]

alrighty got that

[fallow garden]

Iron Moth @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 Def / 132 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fiery Dance
• Sludge Wave
• Substitute
• Dazzling Gleam

also tera blast grass is strictly inferior

to energy ball

[fluid talon]

what tera then? i was thinking flying to say nu-uh to eq

[fallow garden]

fairy

for gleam boost

Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bulk Up
• Headlong Rush
• Ice Spinner
• Rapid Spin

standard bu tusk is this

wp lando is not very good

you also have set up moves and switch moves on the same mon

thats not really a good idea

you want eq on moon

also surf>Sa on prim

[fluid talon]

what item for lando

[fallow garden]

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earth Power
• U-turn
• Taunt

probs something like this

[fluid talon]

okay
are the other mons good

I got this rn: https://pokepast.es/f97d8590ecea5ec5

[fallow garden]

https://pokepast.es/b9e84bc98439a690

[tacit bluff]

Don't use pivot moves on setup mons

[fluid talon]

focus blast on crown? i didn't know that move could hit

[tacit bluff]

Only exception in this meta is probably body press corv with u turn

[fluid talon]

corv with id?

[fallow garden]

i mentioned that

[fallow garden]

better then not being able to touch gambit

[fallow garden]

iron defense

[fluid talon]

ye

[tacit bluff]

I cannot read silly

[fallow garden]

i mean

u play mons

so

[fluid talon]

nocturne did tell me that 4 booster energies isn't the best idea

or maybe it was 4 tera blasts

[tacit bluff]

Both

Tera blast is a fine move for certain sets but slotting it on a lot of mons risks having dead move slots if you terastalise something else

Basically you don't want your entire team to become over reliant on the Tera for their coverage

[fluid talon]

then again no booster energy means most of my team doesn't have an ability

[fallow garden]

4 boosters is hype

booster spam is my goat

https://pokepast.es/ea2f8184d88f9792

[tacit bluff]

I'd say don't run the booster mons then or at least run 1 or 2

2 is fine but me personally I don't like running too many because of how common phasers like ting lu are

Roar zama and moltres also throw a wrench into booster spam

[fluid talon]

all the good mons i want to use are also booster mons

[fallow garden]

just play around them

ggez

[tacit bluff]

It's not necessarily bad I just don't like it based on my own experience

Regardless if you're gonna go boosterspam at least change the sets

[fallow garden]

^

@tacit bluff

[tacit bluff]

Yeah like that's fine

One of the various moon sets could go here instead like maybe taunt to bolster the stall MU but lowk Lando taunt and psyshock on crown helps out a bit

Prim can also bust through a few cores itself if blissey is already down

Granted I think that's usually the psychic noise set it doesn't matter the mu is fine

[tropic hearth]

https://pokepast.es/4bc8740b95602ef7
Tried building around balloon tink and AV hoopa these two can cover each other pretty decently defensivly also tink can yoink some mons boots while also setting rocks and twaving some mon so hoopa can outspeed them i dont have that much of a problem defensivly althought this team struggles breaking through some cores also veil offense can 6-0 this team if they have the right mons i didnt know what to add as the last mon so i just added dragonite as placeholder

[crimson herald]

https://pokepast.es/8e28cc12ae9b0115 thoughts?

[fallow garden]

there’s no real win con or breaker

it feels very slow and clunky

[fallow garden]

gweez seems super wack here

[crimson herald]

the team is that bad

[fallow garden]

no just gweez

[crimson herald]

ahh

who do u reckon is a good alternative

[fallow garden]

ghold

[crimson herald]

any certain ghold build u reccomend?

[fallow garden]

nasty plot balloon

[crimson herald]

ok ty

[lament galleon]

https://pokepast.es/05d4111d455c6286Made made this team for my friend who only wanted to use pokemon that he liked. Found myself really enjoying the team and wanted to know what i could do differently ev/move wise. pokemon wise my only other options are garchomp and hisuan arcanine

[barren ridge]

these movesets are not good, this is also a doubles team

this channel is for singles OU

[lament galleon]

sorry just got in the server is doubles the vgc?

[barren ridge]

if you want to be rated for VGC, which i assume you do since this team seems restricted by an item clause, there's a separate thread for it https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499

but you are going to be told to drastically change this especially since you do not have a restricted on your team

[lament galleon]

fair fair, thanks anyways

[winter dagger]

https://pokepast.es/efa3352da5704065 building/adjusting a BO team around a hatterene that doesn't trick room. Is this anything?

[covert saffron]

https://pokepast.es/1b1452d46a2f3c1d
I like the team, but i'm pretty weak against hazards, and not having knock off feels bad against fatter teams. Anything i can do to make it better?

[violet minnow]

https://pokepast.es/1925e771d274eb81

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[violet minnow]

I liked the zama and H-rott core

[crisp warren]

https://pokepast.es/4559ffd87e8a5084
So far, this team has been doing pretty well, the horribly uncommon glimmora set, and araquanid has its uses, don't mind the endure and endeavor, i'm planning to change it but i dont know which one to keep ☠️

[trail whale]

Definitely want Great Tusk, probably over Metagross. Raging Bolt mu is dire and you have too many hazard weak Pokemon without spin. Not to mention hstack should have rocks. I think replacing Meta is better than replacing Zama because it lets you go Boots or AV Hamurott without sacrificing speed control.

Mola should also SpD invested for a more doable Iron Moth.

[trail whale]

I think this team doesnt know what it wants to do exactly, if you're using webs you should commit to hyper offense, and if you wont commit its not worth using it nor worth using the niche Glimm set.

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/d90fae8324e60bf7

need some help

[low phoenix]

Replace meow with kingambit for an end game wincon and a steel

Change temper flare to stealth rocks

[unreal sorrel]

i like temper for corviknight u sure

[low phoenix]

yes

you have molt and dragapult

temper flare doesnt even do that much dmg to corv

252 Atk Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 116-138 (29 - 34.5%) -- 4.7% chance to 3HKO

[unreal sorrel]

i use headlong

i miss when they switch in

then tempt

tempar

[low phoenix]

you have no hazards

no hazards is a bigger issue than surprising corv

[unreal sorrel]

and add king

okay

[low phoenix]

👌

[tropic hearth]

Yep i lack a wincon my initial plan for this team was tink + hoopa + a spiker although since i needed both alo and tusk to support hoopa i couldnt slot a spiker and a spin blocker at the same time

so should i start from scratch or do you have any idea to fix it

[wanton gyro]

https://pokepast.es/050a0e48e7f1b205 i tried to get rid of hazards and now i get 6-0'd by either wogerpon or wake in sun

also talonflame is 4x weak to rocks after it gets knocked off and that's my only defogger in case weavile or kyurem get knocked

[elder knoll]

Talonflame doesn’t fit on teams besides stall

or the odd rain team ig

[wanton gyro]

moltres then?

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/2d175afe7c7a933e Triple Status OU balance that feels like something is off

[magic walrus]

or maybe it is just ok

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/92af20ab3be23393 throwing this thing into the RMT pretty curious to see how good it is, a little scared of opposing ogerpon-wellspring

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

yeah ur right about pon it looks kinda dicey

also not sure why dnite is ice beam

you have ice spinner

[tepid hazel]

Oh that was a meme set

It was for tusk and tcha

Pretend its max speed ice spinner

[trail whale]

The Garg feels super out of place, you have 3 sweepers, Tusk, and a pivot in Gking

You could do maybe smth like Specs Crown for a breaker that's also anti Kyurem

Actually probably a faster breaker to alleviate Waterpon

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/3be95edeee6fb5f3
any changes?

[alpine hornet]

isnt this just a pinkacross team?

we only rate teams that you have built urself

[pale mortar]

fr? a friend sended it to me so and im just starting to try it out. but alr thanks for the notice. it just that the defog scizor kinda bugging me a lil bit

[tacit bluff]

Ye I think this is pinkacross

I remember he ran smth like scarf moon with scizor

[tepid hazel]

I wanted to use specs crown but I didn’t want my friend to think I was copying him

Thanks for the advice

Would 3 attacks rai work?

Sludge bomb ice beam dark pulse

[trail whale]

Can work for sure

[tepid hazel]

alright thanks

expert belt?

[trail whale]

Probably boots since this is hstack

[tepid hazel]

It… is?

Which reminds me

I should add rocks on tusk

[trail whale]

I swear i read hazard stack somewhere 😭

[fluid talon]

alright should gross use choice band?

[hot dome]

Further questions like these should be asked in #comp-general

[fluid talon]

alr

[hot dome]

But metagross is unviable and as thus you can really run anything on it since there’s no good set for it in OU

No matter what you’re going to blank into a good chunk of the tier, esp the bulky waters

[fluid talon]

if i were, say, using it in sv uu, would it want to use choice band

[hot dome]

Completely different metagame so can’t really say

[barren ridge]

use the dex

[regal ginkgo]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/metagross/uu

[fluid talon]

oh my god seriously

[hot dome]

yeah

[barren ridge]

you are asking in the OU thread

Faya may not even play UU

just use the dex

[fluid talon]

leftovers i see

[barren ridge]

the RMT channels are not the place for fielding questions like that, especially if they're answered very quickly by using the dex. You can find the right dex page very quickly by just typing '<pokemon> smogon' into your search engine of choice

which, I'm pretty sure, you've been told a few times already that this isnt the space for those types of questions and have been recommened to the dex and existing metagame resources

Please don't misuse the RMT channels

[ember pier]

https://pokepast.es/a20f8df4e4c2b89b

Is this good

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

conk isn't particularly good and is a victim of its poor speed tier and bad special bulk, aside from that this isn't too bad, some kinda odd set choices like u turn on sd scizor taunt meow is also a bit sheist but I suppose its not that bad.

I'd reccomend gliscor over conk, as it can pretty reliably set hazards and also be an absolute nuiscance, its also a good knock absorber like conk which helps your team thats kinda susceptible to hazards, I would consider defog on corv tho because you have no way to deny toxic spikes from the likes of glimmora and that could be very detrimental to your hatterene who needs to stay healthy and your dragapult

[ember pier]

Ohh oki oki I usually do lead of meow and use taunt then u turn

[tacit bluff]

lead meow is a bit of a risk tbh because its deathly afraid of a lot of HO leads

all webs setters and glimmora scare it out

the only one thats not too keen is hamurott

[ember pier]

Then who should I lead first

[tacit bluff]

and ig deo s to an extent but it does depend what deo s is running

your lead is flexible, its gonna depend on your matchup

[ember pier]

Oh oki oki its kinda first time doing team building

[tacit bluff]

tbh a decent lead over meow could be landorus

if you want the fast taunt

it also has an intimidate and can set rocks

[ember pier]

The therian one?

[tacit bluff]

you could then swap conk for something other than gliscor

ye

incarnate is banned

[ember pier]

Iron tusk I replace it with that

Due to my team is weak to fire

[tacit bluff]

tbh idt you need tusk

just make corv defog

and I think ur ok

hatterene and corv should be more than enough hazard control

plus tusk really weakens your ogerpon MU

[ember pier]

Ohh oki oki

Got it!!

[tacit bluff]

which isn't too bad to begin with but its heavily reliant on corv stopping it

[ember pier]

Thanks for the advice

I will apply it right away

[tacit bluff]

I say go with dnite over conk and then lando over meow for rocks and a fast taunt, you're already pretty solid into kyurem thanks to scizor and even so dnite can reactionary tera in front of kyurem to threaten it

then slot close combat over u turn on scizor

so that you don't insta lose to kingambit

dragonite also helps with the ogerpon MU

[tacit bluff]

np

[woeful hearth]

I made this Blaziken team but i plateau at 1200 in showdown any suggestions or am i just bad? https://pokepast.es/1c68e329b3be21a8

[covert saffron]

Iron head on corviknight is bad, either make it brave bird or use iron defense+body press. You don't need horn leech and power whip on ogerpon, change one of them to u-turn or knock off. Also, blaziken definitely fits more on a hyper offensive playstyle, especially a life orb blaziken. These mons are all different pace. You definitely do not need corviknight and landorus on the same team

[woeful hearth]

Changed the team up to a hyperoffens still adjusting but how does it look now? https://pokepast.es/e521d80570cb0a4b

[winter dagger]

https://pokepast.es/6275c9dddba3be40 I think my three days of research has successfully arrived at something approaching good. How's this?

[low phoenix]

Scarf Lando > defensive Lando with taunt

Pivot waterpon > bulky roaring moon

Dragapult > bulky kingambit

Blaziken > iron defense zamazenta

[woeful hearth]

But… its supposed to be a blaziken team and arent hyper offens supposed to be fast and hardhitting no?

[low phoenix]

Oh sorry didn’t see that

Blaziken is viable and looks fine on this team just give it swords dance so it can actuallly threaten stuff

[wooden geode]

hi all, im trying to make a standard sun team! Any advice?

https://pokepast.es/14b833d1bea76809

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Hamurott > spikes ting Lu and you don’t have an answer to electrics

[woeful hearth]

Should i remove life orb then? Since i am going SD

[low phoenix]

Life orb is fine but leftovers is viable too

[winter dagger]

Beside killing electrics, could I ask why spikes ting lu is better?

[low phoenix]

Blanket special wall check

Much more bulky than hamurott

Easily forces progress with ruination

Anti offense with whirlwind which is very important considering the rise of bulky roaring moon

[winter dagger]

Makes sense makes sense

[low phoenix]

Also hatteren > moltres

You lack a flying type

And hatterene doesn’t have enough longetivity to really be good outside offense

[winter dagger]

Well I'm trying to go for bulky offense, and I'm also trying to build the team around hatterene for its draining kiss, magic bounce, and the fact that its my favorite

Also playing with giving hatterene choice specs to make her a kind of wallbreaker that eats people to death

[low phoenix]

choice specs hatterene sounds funny but then you are forced to predict vs steels which is not good and its too slow to apply any real offensive pressure

if youre going for bulky offense I'd say tinkaton > defensive lando t for a ground flying that can still set spikes

weavile > av iron crown for a fairy resist and kyurem check

[winter dagger]

Would I want both lando t and ting lu to have earthquake, or should I switch out one of their attacks to a different type?

Or maybe I could switch ting lu back for hisuian samurott so my two hazard setters can cover resistances and u-turn/flip turn back and forth for resistances

[low phoenix]

keep hisuian samurott

if youre going the bulky offense route

[winter dagger]

Oh but do I sacrifice the priority move so samurott can flip turn and be my only thing with knock off?

[low phoenix]

keep sucker

[winter dagger]

I'm running out of -ug words to name these things

[low phoenix]

?

wdym by -ug

[winter dagger]

They're all named tug, lug, snug, etc.

[low phoenix]

oh

[winter dagger]

The landorus can be pug

[low phoenix]

yea

i mean up to you lol

[winter dagger]

Then the lug name will go to the iron crown

This advice is all very good and I am very thanks

[low phoenix]

Aight bet

Good luck playing!

If you want some immediate power

You can make pult specs

[winter dagger]

That's the plan. Less worry about safe setup, easier to tear down walls without being screwed over

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm

https://pokepast.es/85dd41493bdf472b not sure if booster moon works on BO or balance but here goes

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/1e6f32b1efde71ca

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fallow garden]

iron badler

[woeful hearth]

Blazikem sun team any changes: https://pokepast.es/bd577e46051a3488

[fallow garden]

blaz isn’t really viable

[woeful hearth]

In the team or in genral?

[fallow garden]

in ou

[woeful hearth]

Yeah but he is banned in uu and i really wanted to use him. Cant be that bad he is uubl… right?

[fallow garden]

it’s like

useable

that enam set is a bit wack

also you probs want a cloro user

[barren ridge]

If a mon is tired as part of a banlist tier it means it does not have enough usage to be considered as part of the higher tier but is still banned from the lower tiers

Blaziken is not presently useful enough in the OU metagame and sees very little use because of such

Thus its UUBL instead of OU

[runic nebula]

^

[woeful hearth]

So like blaziken is usless/ not good for OU and there are better option essentially

[runic nebula]

Being listed as UUBL essentially implies that its role in the OU metagame is very minimal

[tacit bluff]

Blaziken does have a niche but it's not a great mon

It can be threatening on some HO cores but it's inconsistent and usually needs 2 speed boosts to outspeed the whole tier nowadays

[fallow garden]

i saw a silly one with upper hand

[tacit bluff]

Which leaves it susceptible to revenge killing or even just being walled and then killed

Upper hand is funny but you already beat kingambit most of the time

Depends how low you are ig

It's why lefties is the goat lowk

[runic nebula]

Flare Blitz is also kind of awkward on a mon that's trying to sweep

But it kind of has to run it because it's other options aren't exactly amazing and you don't want to forego Fire STAB

[narrow crest]

im aware but i wanted to try to build around it

[tacit bluff]

Yeah for sure but it's workable

Lowk I like eq blaziken

It gives you an attack that doesn't debuff you

And it beats pecharunt and iron moth

Slot it on screens and you can pick up more than one sd boost

[calm roost]

https://pokepast.es/21337dea3c270ebc

Is this team good or am I facing shitters

[low phoenix]

What kind of direction are you going for in this team?

It feels like you are mashing together hyper offense and standard offense with this team

[calm roost]

Wtf is the difference between hyper offense and standard offense cuz I cannot find an answer to that

[low phoenix]

#comp-general message

[calm roost]

lol

They always ignore me cuz

They’re talking amongst themselves

That’s why I can’t get an answer

[low phoenix]

theyre prob busy thats why

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/85dd41493bdf472b not sure if booster moon works on BO or balance but here goes. Any raters online?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

roaring moon absolutely works on BO

I will say your pon MU looks a bit rough and some of the EV spreads are a lil strange

aside from that this looks ok to me

a little bit passive tho

[alpine furnace]

Zamazenta/pecharunt > meow?

Mostly zamazenta > meow to help against pon

[pale mortar]

https://pokepast.es/c83adb878f2937a8

how is this team?, this is a copy from https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-cure-peak-1-2117-elo.3761210/ however with some changes where i swap out glowking and hrott for ogerpon and tingliu as i see struggles with a rain pivot core team especially there's nothing to block volt switch from raging bolt and flip turn from barreskuda

[azure vigil]

https://pokepast.es/96449ba8823f7589

hey sorry for the trouble, im still struggling with this, i took off the last 2 slots of this cuz i don't know what to really do

it's just supposed to be a simple

curse garg spike stack

but no matter what i put im just not satisfied

it used to be scizor zama

then enam crown

then moltres tink

and now idk

i don't know what im doing wrong

https://pokepast.es/3ade2443649f746f

this is the most current version

[tacit bluff]

this looks like it struggles a lot into opposing spikestack

[azure vigil]

idk i mean like

i put tusk and a bunch of boots

i don't disagree but i don't know what to do beyond that

[tacit bluff]

you don't rly have a breaker here

thats kinda the issue

like ur setting hazards but ur not meaningfully exploiting them

[azure vigil]

makes sense

[tacit bluff]

you share 3 of ur mons with finch's balance team from spl

sorry scl

[azure vigil]

o

didn't know

haven't seen it

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/0020596f68fbd8ab

this sample

[azure vigil]

ic

[tacit bluff]

this gets around the balance teams with goobers like tinkaton

as well as toxic gliscor

gliscor is very strong into teams that can't break through it so it works as a good tool against balance

since it just sits there and heals and clicks toxic

[azure vigil]

i think i had glisc on here at one point but no tusk

so hazard spam got aids

ive always hated double ground but it could be good here idk

but i don't wanna make a 1to1 copy of this team or anything

[tacit bluff]

lowk I just think you need a decent way to break past bulky teams

you already goob offence

[azure vigil]

i was thinkin about boots val

[tacit bluff]

with scizor and sinis and garg

[alpine furnace]

From what I've heard primarina breaks decently well by just not allowing healing

Dunno if primarina fits, just a suggestion

[tacit bluff]

psynoise prim is defo an option

is also rly scary in front of stall

[azure vigil]

i feel like i need a flying type forced on here somewhere otherwise headlong spam gets

really bad

like i have matcha but

that's 1 knock off away from

just not working

[tacit bluff]

lowk not sure you need garg

albeit I did just notice its curse

which gives you more firepower

[alpine furnace]

Honestly id reccomend primarina > scizor here if we wanna keep garg

[tacit bluff]

actually wait nvm keep garg

salt cure is too useful into shitters like gliscor

[alpine furnace]

Garg tusk primarina is decent. Not sure what sciz does here.

[tacit bluff]

and you can wall toxic variants

[alpine furnace]

Its a set up sweeper but primarina also does that pretty well, just doesnt have priority

[tacit bluff]

without sciz the issue becomes the big bad ice dragon

[alpine furnace]

Doesnt garg take care of that?

[azure vigil]

not really

[tacit bluff]

scizor is a good kyurem answer because it either forces tera or nukes with bullet punch

garg doesn't beat all kyurem sets alas

[azure vigil]

can lose to tera ground sub or just a specs read

[tacit bluff]

earth power puts a dent in garg and kyurem can click sub

scizor doesn't beat every kyurem set either but its why you need 1 or two answers

[alpine furnace]

So its basically kinda like a ogerpon W situation

[azure vigil]

i feel like a flying is mandatory here

isn't it?

matcha gatcha alone definitely doesn't feel like enough

[alpine furnace]

Hmmmm

Is tusk mandatory

[azure vigil]

tusk makes opposing hazards not as aids

cuz this team can't deal with opposing hazard stack otherwise

in gen 8 u could work on the concept of "my hazard removal is making the opp click defog"

but that doesn't really work in this gen

[tacit bluff]

hazard control of some kind is a must ngl

for this team

[azure vigil]

yea

if it was boots spam it'd be different

but garg works best with lefties

[tacit bluff]

otherwise the mirror match into spikestack becomes unwinnable

[alpine furnace]

Hmmm fair

[azure vigil]

another problem is friggin

opposing prim

is so hard to deal with

that's why ive sometimes been putting in crown

on some variants of this

[tacit bluff]

sinis lowk solos

[azure vigil]

idk i feel like it takes too much from

moonblast

doesn't it

[alpine furnace]

I also thought of pecharunt

[tacit bluff]

offensive prim yeah but other sets you eat up

[azure vigil]

i might put 201 speed on matcha just in case

[alpine furnace]

Does bulky prim win on pecharunt despite malignant chain?

[azure vigil]

ill trust u on the prim thing

if it's sub cm it can win

vs pecha

or just cm tera steel

[alpine furnace]

Right eventually psychic noise just breaks through

And tera steel

[tacit bluff]

eventually but if its sub pecha does have the parting shot option

and getting out of there to something that can break the sub

[azure vigil]

this team also doesn't like

darkrai

i might have to force in scarf enam again

on this

but that doesn't really break

it's just another offense goober

[alpine furnace]

I mean primarina can help against dark but i dont know if prim can fit over something else

Also sludge bomb isnt fun

[azure vigil]

hm

i wonder if

[alpine furnace]

I mean primarina also beats glisc.

But again

Kyurem

Which garg also doesn't beat

[azure vigil]

i could make

scarf rott and specs enam maybe

or taunt enam

for fat breaking

idk

[alpine furnace]

Scarf and specs seems really restrictive tho.

This might sound dumb but is the flying necessary?

[azure vigil]

maybe it's not necessary but idk i just really don't like being too ground weak and spikes weak

[alpine furnace]

Sinistcha + primarina could work

Over zap

You've got lots of boots and a spinner

Keep sciz to precent kyurem from being annoying