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low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:28 AM

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also gyarados and clodsire are not viable in the context of your team

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:28 AM

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What is pokepaste

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:28 AM

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!pokepaste

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 19, 2025, 1:28 AM

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PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

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low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:28 AM

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^

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:29 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8211550b918cfc98

That way?

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Gyarados is my favorite Pokemon I want to keep him on the team glape

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Why is clodsire not viable?

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:31 AM

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roaring moon is a significantly better dragon dancer on account of its booster-energy boosted power bulk and ability to use knock off

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clodsire is very passive and only really fits on very bulky/stall teams

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:32 AM

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radiant lark https://pokepast.es/8211550b918cfc98 That way?

yea

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:32 AM

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So what would you recommend instead of clodsire?

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:32 AM

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uhh

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what kind of team are you tryna build

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:33 AM

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I don't know exactly, I wanted to focus more on Gyrados and the rest would be tough enough for me to be able to sweep Gyrados. kekw

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:33 AM

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cuz what mons i recommend are dependent on the playstyle you are trying to build

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i recommend hyper offense

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its generally the easiest playstyle to build/get around for new players

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and the most open to filling in niche mons

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Like an all win team? Either I hit the attack first and get K.O or I die? BellsproutShut

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:35 AM

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and even then i wouldnt recommend using gyarados

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like at all

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 19, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:35 AM

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i recommend looking at these teams for reference

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use these teams and get a feel for what is good in the meta

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:36 AM

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They are all hyper offense?

runic nebula Mar 19, 2025, 1:36 AM

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Not all of them are

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:36 AM

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no

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theres hyper offense offense bulky offense balance and stall

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there are more niche playstyles like veils and weather but i dont recommend these playstyles for newer players

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0e5d9fdf66c11154

I remembered that before this team I had made another one, this one I researched the roles that existed in the competitive and put the ones I thought were most important and tried to do something balanced.

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:40 AM

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gengar and whimsicott are unviable

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well whimsicott is like D- tier because of that one sun team

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but please dont use it for your first team

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:41 AM

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Okay, I'll pick a team from that list.

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And see what happens

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:41 AM

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yea good idea

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 1:44 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ebb291592046746c

I got the first one on the lowest difficulty tympole

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 1:45 AM

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yea thats a great beginner friendly team

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good luck laddering bro!

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just lead with hamurott then throw your sweepers at the enemy until they die

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 2:06 AM

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Kimgabit It's the goat wow

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But I'm unlucky to find teams that can be faster than mine. worrywhirl

radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 2:24 AM

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In the end, I didn't have fun using this team.

elder knoll Mar 19, 2025, 2:51 AM

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radiant lark In the end, I didn't have fun using this team.

I mean keep exploring until you find a style you like

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radiant lark Mar 19, 2025, 2:52 AM

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My style is balanced, I like Pokémon that do a lot of damage, others that can take a beating, and others for support, that's my type of team.

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munchcorn

elder knoll Mar 19, 2025, 2:55 AM

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radiant lark My style is balanced, I like Pokémon that do a lot of damage, others that can ta...

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I’d recommend starting with the CTC balance or Storm Zone balance

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 3:47 AM

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storm zone balance is a fat team which are harder to pilot in general

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the ctc balance is a good team to start learning balance tho

sacred delta Mar 19, 2025, 6:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/384ddc9107ec8348 i like this team based on a few games, but my main concerns are do i get enough value out of ninetales-a? i find it useful sometimes, as veil+snow makes kyurem really easy to set up, but it also feels kinda clunky and like dead weight sometimes. Bc i dont have hazard removal, would boots kyurem work better here? same with the gholdengo and hamurott set, could different sets work better (boots, scarf, sash, different gholdengo moveset, etc)

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particularly agianst HO, having 2 mons which are effectively leads hurts a lot since i cant get a lot of value out of hazards

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 6:21 AM

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I don’t like hamurott on this team

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If you’re concerned about hazard control cm hatterene can be slotted over hamurott

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change gliscor to this set

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 244 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 200 Spe
Jolly Nature

Swords Dance
Agility
Earthquake
Facade

sacred delta Mar 19, 2025, 6:25 AM

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low phoenix If you’re concerned about hazard control cm hatterene can be slotted over hamuro...

hazards arent my biggest problem, but rocks just makes kyurem a bit more annoying to switch in, anything else that works better in this slot?

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 6:25 AM

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kyurem works great in veils

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snow defense boost + veils

sacred delta Mar 19, 2025, 6:26 AM

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yea in hamurotts slot

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 6:26 AM

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yea hatterene

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i just said lol

sacred delta Mar 19, 2025, 6:26 AM

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gotcha

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mb

rare orchid Mar 19, 2025, 12:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d1c7a247db5c42f3

Really been enjoying this team, feels strong. Although Raging bolt eats it up like Sunday breakfast.
Considering Great Tusk > Garg, but I want a second opinion on it to be sure.
And then of course any other advice or criticism would be appreciated.

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 19, 2025, 12:45 PM

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trail whale Mar 19, 2025, 12:48 PM

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rare orchid https://pokepast.es/d1c7a247db5c42f3 Really been enjoying this team, feels stro...

This is an interesting hazard stack, Id just Ting-Lu > Garg since it still covers for Pult, Moth, etc while still helping teh Raging Bolt match up.

It lacks recovery though so feel free to consider Mola > Gking or making Darkrai a Zamazenta for better speed control

rare orchid Mar 19, 2025, 12:54 PM

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Makes sense, thanks!

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Although if I replace rai for Zama would it be worse worse off with only one knock?

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Or would I be worrying about too many different matchups at that point

toxic smelt Mar 19, 2025, 3:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/12cc8eef06381a01
Stallbreaker crown offense, what can I fix
I reached 1820 so far with it but no fire resist is a issue (usually have to tera the glowking or the tusk). Double CC is to make up for the lack of focus miss on crown btw, I just like hitting ting lu cuz it's everywhere. Also teams weak to moon since no priority and tera fairy just sets up.

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 5:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6f459d68bea9e546 cutie 👉 👈

elder knoll Mar 19, 2025, 6:13 PM

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toxic smelt https://pokepast.es/12cc8eef06381a01 Stallbreaker crown offense, what can I fix ...

um

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what does stall breaker crown do against a Tera dark Mon

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 6:27 PM

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It just switches out

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There's two mons that deal with darks pretty safely

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Even Tera dark

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Not sure how I feel about scarf meow here tbh

elder knoll Mar 19, 2025, 6:47 PM

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psy noise + psy shock are kinda redundant

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it would be better to replace one with fb

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:28 PM

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ig if one rly hates stall

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the team is fine overall tho u have good fundamentals, I would consider court change cinderace over meow tho

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you're not that bad in the face of hazards but its something worth considering

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:36 PM

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broken shard https://pokepast.es/6f459d68bea9e546 <:cutie:1270389086687072373> 👉 👈

psyspam is a bit rough to run tbh but this team isn't bad persay, stuff like ice spinner dnite and tusk can be annoying tho and you don't have too much to deal with the former aside from ice beam and a potential tera fairy blast on moon. for an HO psyspam playstyle this is ok tho, I'd just be careful running a team like this because its frankly not very common and unlike other HO teams it has far fewer tools into bulkier teams, for instance Alolomola is a nuiscance here as are taunt and encore mons,

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I would really reccomend encore on hawlucha

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and maybe taunt roaring moon

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also lowk methinks volt swich boots is better on treads here but whatevs

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 8:37 PM

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oh true

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:38 PM

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psyspam isn't unviable its just exceedingly rare and for a p good reason

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oh zapdos is a scary mofo into this team too

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especially when tera is in the picture

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static annoys moon and hawlucha immensely and it can threaten hawlucha with hurricane, and a reactionary tera can let it live the polteageist stored power to twave it

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tldr just be careful

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I'm the HO connesieur of the sv ou raters but even I tend to avoid psyspam cause its super volatile

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reliance on terrain control and thus using some pretty meh mons like indeedee male, polteageist can steal games absolutely but its heavily reliant on tera and is otherwise inconsistent deoxys is ok but if its forced to switch it loses a lot of its firepower etc etc

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you can make it work but imo you're better off using smth more consistent

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 8:48 PM

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😔 yeah

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ill defo make the changes you said

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:49 PM

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yeah you need anti ting lu techs idk how I forgot about that bastard

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Ting lu absolutely eats you up if you don't got smth like encore or taunt on hawlucha

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 8:50 PM

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pretty sure I'll always have to exhaus tera to beat it

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or force tera poison with lucha

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:51 PM

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ye but thats not reliable unfort

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if halwucha goes down its curtains

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taunt moon could at least stop its whirlwind shenanigans and whatnot

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and its not like hawlucha can always come in on ting cause of the whirlwind or ruination threat

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 8:54 PM

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ic

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well I'll only use it for casual ladder

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and bring something else for actual games

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I'd reccomend that

broken shard Mar 19, 2025, 8:55 PM

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ty for your help

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 8:55 PM

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if u wanna make it work just do what I said above but otherwise don't run psyspam luls

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yw

low phoenix Mar 19, 2025, 9:09 PM

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tbh psyspam cheese is real

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just that it is a massive matchup fish and ting lu is super popular right now so dont expect it to carry you in high ladder

tacit bluff Mar 19, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Again it's viable but not consistent

toxic smelt Mar 20, 2025, 7:34 AM

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tacit bluff Not sure how I feel about scarf meow here tbh

not to get 6-0d by a +1 moon
well i probs lose to tera fairy moon anyways but yea it helps

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:39 AM

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toxic smelt not to get 6-0d by a +1 moon well i probs lose to tera fairy moon anyways but ye...

Prob dd dragonite over meow

toxic smelt Mar 20, 2025, 7:39 AM

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low phoenix Prob dd dragonite over meow

no ghost resist is shaky but it could work

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:45 AM

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Wait actually scrap that rating

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It’s super late for me rn

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So I’m not thinking correctly 100%

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Apologies

tacit bluff Mar 20, 2025, 9:23 AM

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toxic smelt not to get 6-0d by a +1 moon well i probs lose to tera fairy moon anyways but ye...

Fair enough

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It's not bad here I'm just a professional hater

silver river Mar 20, 2025, 5:38 PM

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elder knoll it would be better to replace one with fb

Bruh i got ph=md'd in stall server

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😭

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:19 PM

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not the channel for this

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5547a540bab35f56 trying to make a unique team, not sure what to classify this team as

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 20, 2025, 6:42 PM

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low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:43 PM

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speed control kinda lacking

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whats the goal with this kind of team?

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also ting lu moveset is kinda weird

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:44 PM

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to kinda create an element of surprise against mainstream teams

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kind of like an antimeta team per say

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but it doesnt seem antimeta enough

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:44 PM

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whats the anti meta element though

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:45 PM

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using iron hands to stop oppressive pokemon in the tier

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and weezing-galar to stop broken abilities

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:45 PM

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sets are kinda expected

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and pecha can still wear this team down with time

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:46 PM

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how much can pecha do against weezing or do i not have anything against pecha?

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also would this be a balance team or...

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:47 PM

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0 SpA Pecharunt Malignant Chain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar: 130-154 (38.9 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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weezing g cant really do much vs pecha

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and this looks like a mix that doesnt synergize very well with each other

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:47 PM

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im sure the willowisp pain split can do the trick no?

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yea synergy is lacking

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:47 PM

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like booster roaring moon and av iron hands paired with a balance core in mola and ting lu

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so basically half your team is gonna have to be scrapped

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do you want to play offense or balance?

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:48 PM

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i wanted to use some underrated pokemon that are not normally picked but idt roaring moon works

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:48 PM

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roaring moon is A+

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in the vr

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its not underrated

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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low phoenix do you want to play offense or balance?

if i keep alo and iron hands would it be balanced

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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alo is a balance mon

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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i could get rid of roaring moon

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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iron hands is more of an offense mon

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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hmmm

elder knoll Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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BO

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:49 PM

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so do they not synergize well or?

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i suppose i wanna do BO here

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:50 PM

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the issue with iron hands

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it doesnt have much longetivity by itself

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and its very slow with no good priority

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:51 PM

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fake out alongside wish passing could keep its longevity no?

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Ground types are everywhere in this meta

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fake out is a fake priority move

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like literally no serious player uses fake out

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:51 PM

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true coz it's used only once

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:52 PM

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its not stab too

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so if youre using to revenge kill its not that good

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:52 PM

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what i usually do with fake out is that i just safe switch in then use fake out, like i do with lopunny mega in natdex

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fake out has helped me personally

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:53 PM

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lopunny mega's fake out is a stab and spammable as it can hit ghosts

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iron hands doesnt have that

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:53 PM

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i see

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:53 PM

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lopunny mega and iron hands fill different niches

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:53 PM

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yea the one i have is av

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but i do wanna make it work

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:54 PM

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i dont think av is the best set but if you want to try it out offense is prob the best playstyle to make it work in

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iron hands is a momentum sink and youll prob be spending most of the match trying to keep it alive while it gets chipped

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:55 PM

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thats where wish healing comes in with alo

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:56 PM

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being able to threaten mons immediately is important in an offensive mon in fatter teams

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 6:56 PM

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huh... i suppose my iron hands isnt offensive

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i suppose what im doing is a bit new

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 6:59 PM

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my issue with iron hands is that its slow vulnerable to mons that are very common in the current meta like pecharunt great tusk gholdengo zamazenta and cant really way like say subtect kyurem or band zama

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i could be wrong about iron hands though ive never used him in any of my teams

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but yea roaring moon is a definite nono if youre building a bulkier team

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:01 PM

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yea i think what im getting at is im using uncommon mons for ou

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i think pairing alo with iron hands could create something new that hasnt been explored before that's why im thinking this

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ok so im getting rid of roaring moon for sure

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:02 PM

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just dont use fake out though

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its not a good move

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:02 PM

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ok

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sd it is

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:03 PM

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so for your other mons

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:04 PM

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i think weezing-galar could be interesting ngl

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maybe not against gholdengo coz mir one-shots it

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but against paradox mon

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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mir?

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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make it rain

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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this is ou not ubers

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oh

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lol

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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lmao

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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you have ting lu

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ghold should be fine

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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ghold has been using more focus blast this meta is my issue

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nasty plot fb

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:06 PM

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specs pult for some immediate power and speed control

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i barely see ghold use fb

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30% miss sucks

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:06 PM

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ive been seeing it a lot sadly

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:06 PM

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what elo?

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:06 PM

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1300-1400

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and when im doing reqs

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i was about to say for the lando LOL

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:07 PM

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no im thinking of something else

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:07 PM

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nah u good

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:07 PM

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since you dont have a knocker

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:08 PM

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gliscor...?

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nah too stally im not patient with stall

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:09 PM

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swords dance scor

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:09 PM

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yo magma storm taunt protect heatran would be so funny

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or that

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but it fills the same role as iron hands then

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:10 PM

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oh yea

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another issue with your team i realized

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your team is weak to fairies

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:10 PM

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even my weezing?

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:10 PM

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g weezing by itself isnt really enough imo

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:11 PM

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yea best to use heatran then

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:11 PM

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since it cant take special attacks very well

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heatran isnt very good

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like iron hands too many ground types

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and fightings

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:12 PM

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true

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then maybe corv

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tera dark power trip corv?

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:12 PM

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no lol

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standard defensive pivot is fine

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unfortunately the only thing i can say is to remove iron hands as its not really good on balance teams and keeping it opens too many holes in your team that idk how to fix

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:14 PM

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ok well if im removing iron hands then im adding in heatran

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 212 SpD / 40 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Magma Storm
Earth Power
Taunt
Protect

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so i got ting lu alo tran lando and weezing

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yo pawmot would be annoying as hell lol

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nope too much ground

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bfd7a060362e2432

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:19 PM

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ooh thundy t

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:19 PM

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here is a fat balance team i built recently

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there is usually a good reason why these mons are more niche btw

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the mons you are mentioning like iron hands/heatran

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:19 PM

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ah

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:21 PM

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if you want to build around more niche mons hyper offense is easier to do so in

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:21 PM

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yea ho is pretty basic to build but can wear down easily the more u do ladder

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:22 PM

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frosmoth veils sounds sheist

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just pair it with mons that can deal with special walls like zamazenta dd kyurem roaring moon etc

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:24 PM

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frosmoth pika

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:26 PM

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volcanion is also a mon that is genuinely underrated

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:27 PM

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ok i like volcanion more

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a2e0e1273bf7a8d8

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:28 PM

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ok this team u gave me (the previous one)

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it goes insane

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/783a1c2a6b100514

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not my team but this team goes hard

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:33 PM

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can someone help me improve my team

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Im new

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:33 PM

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put it in pokepaste and someone will take a look

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:33 PM

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what is pokepaste

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:34 PM

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!pokepaste

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 20, 2025, 7:34 PM

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vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:35 PM

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do u wanna see it

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https://pokepast.es/af862574f1196c09

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:36 PM

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gimme a sec

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:37 PM

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im not that good so chill on me yh

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Sadly this entire team is unviable

tacit bluff Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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near mauve i wanted to use some underrated pokemon that are not normally picked but idt roa...

Roaring moon is not underrated cuh that bastard finna get banned to ubers

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Maybe

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Dondozo only fits in fat/stall teams

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Sd garchomp only fits on ho

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This team feels like it doesn’t have a direction to it

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 20, 2025, 7:45 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

near mauve Mar 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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tacit bluff Roaring moon is not underrated cuh that bastard finna get banned to ubers

yea i know i just wanted a team of underrated mon and roaring moon felt weird

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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low phoenix Sadly this entire team is unviable

what does that mean

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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low phoenix This team feels like it doesn’t have a direction to it

yh

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it doesnt

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:47 PM

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vagrant portal what does that mean

It’s bad

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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bruh

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how shall i change it

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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Use a sample team from the link I posted

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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thats cheating

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:48 PM

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What

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No

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Using a sample is a great way to learn the meta and get better

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They’re public for a reason

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If it’s cheating they wouldn’t post it

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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isnt my toxtricity cool

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i robbed it from some other kid

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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No

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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bruh

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Ting Lu eats it

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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yh bt

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ting lu is ugly

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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So

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It’s good

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Ting Lu is beautiful

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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hes ugly bro

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Give me that blanket special attack check

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If you’re using mons based on their attractiveness better to ask in #comp-general

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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...

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bro

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icl yh hes good but like

low phoenix Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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This channel is for ppl who want to actually make their teams as best as possible

hot dome Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Ok, this isn't for trolling

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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how shall i change my team

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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hot dome Ok, this isn't for trolling

chill out dude

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relax dude

hot dome Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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If you aren't here to learn, stop wasting memster's time

vagrant portal Mar 20, 2025, 7:50 PM

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sorry little bro ill stop

viral cosmos Mar 21, 2025, 9:42 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0fee0c13768148c8 wanted to try misty terrain ho, worried ab no elec/fire coverage for mons like corv/skarm

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 21, 2025, 9:42 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

viral cosmos Mar 21, 2025, 9:43 PM

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viral cosmos https://pokepast.es/0fee0c13768148c8 wanted to try misty terrain ho, worried ab ...

swampert was originallt eq pjab but even with misty and geezing i dont like tspikes from glimm

trail whale Mar 21, 2025, 9:54 PM

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viral cosmos https://pokepast.es/0fee0c13768148c8 wanted to try misty terrain ho, worried ab ...

Id highly recommend you use sample teams until you get more knowledge in the meta. Swampert is just deadweight for an HO but your team doenst function well as an offense when its 4 sweepers + lead. Triple physical attacker is extremely awkward and because of how awkward it is to switch in ho, the moment Sinistcha goes down Corv/Skarm/Tera Zama eat you up, also ends up sucking into Val, Moth, and more with Zama as your best form of speed control

not tp mention Clear Amulet Kingambit I dont even know why youd use it

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 21, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

low phoenix Mar 21, 2025, 10:17 PM

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trail whale Id highly recommend you use sample teams until you get more knowledge in the met...

clear amulet kingambit is valid anti pecharunt tech imo

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but the other issues on this team are spot on

trail whale Mar 21, 2025, 10:40 PM

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oh Ig that makes sense with double fighting

tacit bluff Mar 21, 2025, 11:00 PM

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low phoenix clear amulet kingambit is valid anti pecharunt tech imo

Ye it's popping up

So is defiant gambit which is always funny to me

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But clear amulet is better because it causes parting shot to just not work

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So pecha can't even switch out

low phoenix Mar 21, 2025, 11:36 PM

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tacit bluff Ye it's popping up So is defiant gambit which is always funny to me

Defiant gambit is seriously real now?

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Feel like that ability is still too niche even with rising pecharunt stocks

hot dome Mar 21, 2025, 11:38 PM

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eh not really

clever rover Mar 22, 2025, 12:52 AM

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tacit bluff So pecha can't even switch out

And blocks lando, so that’s fun

bright dock Mar 22, 2025, 3:07 AM

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tacit bluff But clear amulet is better because it causes parting shot to just not work

Clear Amulet also like

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Takes away the item slot, which, in practice, is neglectable for Gambit

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Whereas Supreme Overlord is a LOT to give up

azure vigil Mar 22, 2025, 3:52 AM

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ill always pick supreme overlord but i wont lie

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defiant is becoming like a jumpscare for me

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it's like that moment in a horror movie when they build up to something and then it's nothing

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and then you're struck with a demon behind you

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 5:03 AM

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Defiant gambit is viable on national dex where defog is much more common

tacit bluff Mar 22, 2025, 7:09 AM

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Defiant gambit is a bit trolling because unless you run low kick and whatnot you still lose to zamazenta

full ore Mar 22, 2025, 10:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c482ae46826a3c6c new to teambuilding, was looking through SPL for inspiration and liked the look of this HO lineup that DugZa brought (guessing on some moves/teras/spreads obv). i had a couple questions about it that i was hoping some more experienced people could answer, though.

for one, is the choice to take ribombee over araquanid down to preference, or is there a non-stylistic reason why someone might want ribombee over araquanid as a web setter on this specific lineup?

and the other question, what does this team give up/gain by not having iron moth? if i wanted to add moth to it, who would it make sense to replace? it seems to be common on webs HO, so it not being present here stood out to me
any guidance would really mean a lot 🙏 also I'm not 1000% certain that this is the best place to post this so if it isn't lmk

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 22, 2025, 10:49 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 10:58 PM

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iron moth compresses a sweeper and a toxic spikes absorber so offense teams are able to work around in case a glimmora/some other poison spreader decides to set toxic spikes

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ribombee has a slight niche over araquanid in that it is able to set webs faster vs the majority of leads and can set webs in front of raging bolt with the trade off of not being able to do much after setting webs

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prob iron moth over enamorous or ogerpon w as you only really need one dedicated breaker

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i generally think araquanid is better though due to having more bulk ability to actually threaten stuff after webs and positive matchup against all relevant hazard removal save brave bird corv

tacit bluff Mar 22, 2025, 11:08 PM

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low phoenix ribombee has a slight niche over araquanid in that it is able to set webs faster...

Tbf araq sets up on nearly every lead

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It's more susceptible to taunt but the major taunt leads don't like araq

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 11:09 PM

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I changed it to faster

tacit bluff Mar 22, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Ah sorry

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 11:09 PM

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And I’ve seen mental herb araq a couple of times

tacit bluff Mar 22, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Tbh I don't think it's necessary cause Lando just dies to surf

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Ribombee imo has the nice benefit of status

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Stun Spore is hard to absorb

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Oh and alo ninetales is a more favorable lead ig

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Otherwise yeah araq better

full ore Mar 22, 2025, 11:11 PM

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that all makes sense, the point about moth slotting in as a breaker in the same role as enamo/pon was def something i wouldn't have thought of

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tytyty

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 11:11 PM

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You’re welcome my bruddah

rustic stream Mar 22, 2025, 11:16 PM

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can someone help me with a team idea i have?

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(Fury Cutter Metronome Kleavor, just wondering what other Pokemon paie well with it)

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 11:17 PM

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If it’s a complete team sure if youre tryna buiild #comp-general

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Also this set is just bad

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And kleavor in general

rustic stream Mar 22, 2025, 11:17 PM

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...yeah :(

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thought it would be funny tho

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ah well, i am trying to get into SV OU so any help would be nice (I generally goof around in Natdex)

low phoenix Mar 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

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That’s fair

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If u have a team feel free to post it here and someone will get to it when they have time

rustic stream Mar 22, 2025, 11:19 PM

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alr

elder knoll Mar 23, 2025, 3:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c6a216d1c20ee829

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darkspam webs
I’m considering Moth over Valiant for another fairy resist

cause scarf enam kinda cooks against this team

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 6:36 AM

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yea spa+ moth makes sense

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apart from gholdengo iron valiant 6-0s this team

pulsar swan Mar 23, 2025, 7:29 AM

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new to showdown so tips and suggestions very helpful! :)

https://pokepast.es/7f6b594e41749248

alpine hornet Mar 23, 2025, 11:46 AM

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pulsar swan new to showdown so tips and suggestions very helpful! :) https://pokepast.es/7f...

this looks like a bit of a meld of ho and offense, which angle were you going for?

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 6:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/99230cdde7314b9a

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hi guys, im experimenting with entei rn as i noticed it was recently ranked in the vr and i saw a few teams use it in spl

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just wanna see if there are any holes in this team that i mightve missed already tried multiple drafts in this team this version seems fine

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 6:56 PM

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https://pokepast.es/593c74e6d1c97b92

hello everyone. I decided to take Zamazenta being a Kingambit counter as a way to build a team with scary things that kind of bait Kingambit out, and Big Zam to counter it. And then I took out Ogerpon-W and swapped it with my boy Landorus-t, and I’ve had some success with it. But what do people with more expertise think about this?

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 6:57 PM

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specs kyu + band pult is overkill

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also apart from lando t you barely have any pivots to get them in safely

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and you have no hazard control

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:04 PM

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So then would you suggest replacing either Kyu or Dragapult? Also Darkrai helps, but maybe hazard control over it?

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:05 PM

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what playstyle are you trying to build around first

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Well I had more of a HO idea in mind, but I don’t like not having a defensive backbone

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:06 PM

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so bulky offense?

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and would you rather keep band pult or specs kyu

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:10 PM

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I like pult’s speed, so I’m thinking that

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But I mean Kyu doesn’t usually get ohko’d

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:13 PM

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ok, kyu > av iron crown for a kyurem check and a volt turn core with band pult

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psychic > taunt on lando t

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focus blast > ice beam on rai imo

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Yeah I did have ice beam before, but took it out cuz I had kyu

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But obv need that if I don’t have kyu

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I haven’t used iron crown too seriously yet, so this’ll be interesting. Also am a fan of av sets

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:20 PM

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iron crown is good ye

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:30 PM

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What would you say if I kept kyu over pult cuz that kinda screwed me over in my test match I just did lol

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And it was pretty manhandled by zapdos

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Roost + t wave + hurricane

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:40 PM

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Iron moth + band pult + darkrai handle zapdos fine

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Specs Kyu is scary but it’s not that fast and is very weak to hazards which you have no removal for

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7395c48da9ac3072

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Darkrai got para’d and walled

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Hm ok

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 7:42 PM

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fervent arch https://pokepast.es/7395c48da9ac3072

Basically it's a Rain team with a lot of support

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Kyogre sets up Rain and is set up to be bulky, Ogerpon is also bulky, Incineror and Primarina are both sweepers and Kilowatteral can set up tailwind

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:45 PM

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You can also try Kyu > slowking g and moth > kingambit

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Slowking g doesn’t really care about getting para by zapdos

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:46 PM

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fervent arch https://pokepast.es/7395c48da9ac3072

This is for svou not Ubers

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 7:47 PM

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low phoenix This is for svou not Ubers

Mb

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 7:47 PM

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low phoenix This is for svou not Ubers

It's a regulation G team for VGC, I'll post it in the right channel

calm roost Mar 23, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Sometimes you gotta realize you can just go into Dragapult and break teams

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Thanks @low phoenix

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 7:58 PM

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You’re welcome!

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Hope my advice helped

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Band pult is an excellent breaker when given the right support

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 8:05 PM

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I mean while I'm still here

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Thoughts on this super old team I made like 2 years ago?

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 8:11 PM

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This team is unviable first and foremost

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Secondly you should use pokepaste next time

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Third the meta 2 years ago is vastly different from the meta today

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Fourth you seem new to teambuilding I recommend checking out samples and getting inspiration before you teambuild as teambuilding is harder than it looks

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 23, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 8:16 PM

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low phoenix Fourth you seem new to teambuilding I recommend checking out samples and getting...

I am but this was from when I was first getting into it

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 8:17 PM

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low phoenix Secondly you should use pokepaste next time

I didn't even know pokepaste existed at the time

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This was like 2022-23

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 8:18 PM

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calm roost Sometimes you gotta realize you can just go into Dragapult and break teams

Wait i forgot since you don’t have a knocker you can give knock to darkrai over wisp

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 8:20 PM

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low phoenix Third the meta 2 years ago is vastly different from the meta today

^ @fervent arch

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Sample teams are here to help new players get an idea of what is good currently they’re the best resource to use for learning to play

fervent arch Mar 23, 2025, 8:22 PM

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low phoenix Third the meta 2 years ago is vastly different from the meta today

Ik, I was just curious if it was ever good

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I just found it when I was cleaning out my drive

lusty forge Mar 23, 2025, 10:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8695733ec766b640

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 23, 2025, 10:11 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

plush jacinth Mar 23, 2025, 11:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a07ff0d5b65c14c5 Can someone help make some tweaks to my sun team? I find it hard to beat setup sweepers and fairys

narrow crest Mar 23, 2025, 11:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/117625f42d64ffbd

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 11:50 PM

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lusty forge https://pokepast.es/8695733ec766b640

Goated nicknames

lusty forge Mar 23, 2025, 11:50 PM

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ty Amo_Princess

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 11:51 PM

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I think that Hatt and Tink kinda overlap tho

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Cuz the former is associated with fast paced offensive teams that need immediate hazard control while the latter is seen in bulky offense/balance compositions that want role compression + a Kyu/rai check that balance can have trouble with sometimes

lusty forge Mar 23, 2025, 11:54 PM

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Yeah tink was the last pokemon i chose for the team Kuro_Sorry

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i was wrapping my brain about how to fill that final slot

low phoenix Mar 23, 2025, 11:56 PM

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Hatt > cinderace is def possible

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 12:05 AM

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plush jacinth https://pokepast.es/a07ff0d5b65c14c5 Can someone help make some tweaks to my sun...

H lilligant can be venusaur if you struggle with fairies

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As for sweepers this is a sun team just out offense them lol

barren gulch Mar 24, 2025, 1:06 AM

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dont build much ou, wanted to see how this is

https://pokepast.es/2a00b9f2d85710fc

Sub enam-t is for to take advantage of 1. para 2. weakened teams and forcing switches
Cind can keep rocks off potentially and with WoW you can cripple physical attackers like dnite, tusk, lando-t, etc
Tinkaton covers weavile, kyurem, and darkrai which would be a pain otherwise
Scarf lando-t acts as speed control and late game cleaner with tera flying
Slowking-g helps vs stuff like raging bolt, primarina, iron moth, etc
Bulky RM is a great cleaner on this team and can take advantage of holes weakened

whole kayak Mar 24, 2025, 1:19 AM

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Peaked 1571 with this team I made. Any advice to help optimize this team or its okay

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 2:25 AM

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https://pokepast.es/52eedadec9e48dfb

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actually heres the version of the entei offense im actually using rn

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 3:24 AM

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https://pokepast.es/0d8d5ac9c986a853

Ok so I’m back with my team. And I think it should just be HO. I haven’t had much luck trying to be BO

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Unless I can just use Ting-Lu as a tank lol cuz that thing is a beast of a tank

covert saffron Mar 24, 2025, 4:41 AM

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https://pokepast.es/94e87f6208efdb1e

I've gotten inspiration from a ton of teams in spl, and even though ive never been much of a builder, i made a ton of teams, and this is one of the ones thats been performing well, and i like it lol. anything that i should change? tera types is defo something that i still dont know much on

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 5:49 AM

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How much does dragon darts from Dragapult do to Alo

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 6:37 AM

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You can calc on Pokémon damage calculator

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 6:39 AM

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covert saffron https://pokepast.es/94e87f6208efdb1e I've gotten inspiration from a ton of team...

Cinderace can be moltres for a flying type

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Also I can’t help but feel like physical dd Kyurem wipes this team

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So hoodra —> tinkaton can help and change sr on tusk to knock off/cc depending on if you give knock off to tink

covert saffron Mar 24, 2025, 6:47 AM

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what balance team isnt cooked by some kyurem set tbh

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but the hoodra is great because dragon tail stops them from choosing who can take future sight

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also i love them

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i feel like hoodra is really good as a special wall especially with wish support

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i might have to make alo av if i change it to tinkaton

covert saffron Mar 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

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low phoenix Cinderace can be moltres for a flying type

i really think cinderace is great for hazard control but maybe i have a skill issue into spinblockers lmao

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

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great tusk is fine as a hazard control itself

covert saffron Mar 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

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ig if i drop sr on tusk i can put knock on great tusk which pressures them

low phoenix Mar 24, 2025, 6:50 AM

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darkrai can handle the ghosts

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knock off doesnt specifically target anyone but its a great midground vs switchins on checks like the aformentioned ghosts and the birds

prime spear Mar 24, 2025, 9:36 AM

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doubles ou

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😐

prime spear Mar 24, 2025, 9:55 AM

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changed regieleki

magic walrus Mar 24, 2025, 11:06 AM

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This is not Ubers this is SV OU. Better go off in #Ubers

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(And use poke paste)

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And if Duber then go to #other

barren ridge Mar 24, 2025, 11:58 AM

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prime spear doubles ou

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

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Also please use pokepaste as per the rmt rules

prime spear Mar 24, 2025, 1:04 PM

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mb

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how do i poke paste.

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uh

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done

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:26 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ec47115da99b9a3e

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 24, 2025, 4:27 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

echo rampart Mar 24, 2025, 4:27 PM

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what was the goal of this team

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i feel like it lacks a lot of crucial checkmarks every team should tick off

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your only speed control is priority, your ground resist is air balloon, etc..

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felt like you were going for a fat team with alo + clef then the 4 wallbreakers is kinda a jumpscare

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:31 PM

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The initial goal was to use alo + ursa for safe pivot plus team healing

echo rampart Mar 24, 2025, 4:31 PM

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i see

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you probably just want some faster guys here to take advantage of ursa punching holes in teams

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stuff like iron valiant yk

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:32 PM

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Sounds about right

echo rampart Mar 24, 2025, 4:32 PM

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i feel clefable stifles a lot of momentum that these teams ride on so that seems like a prime candidate to replace if we can fit a rocker somewhere else

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:33 PM

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Idk

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In matches it feels like clef is kinda the glue that holds it together

echo rampart Mar 24, 2025, 4:34 PM

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that's bc you don't really have a backbone besides mola

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since you have 4 wallbreakers when you really only need ursa

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:34 PM

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You right

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Ok I think I have an idea going forward

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Thx for the break down my g

echo rampart Mar 24, 2025, 4:35 PM

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🫡 gl

deep locust Mar 24, 2025, 4:35 PM

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Lol thx

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 5:19 PM

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low phoenix Also I can’t help but feel like physical dd Kyurem wipes this team

lol that’s a thing? That sounds fun

elder knoll Mar 24, 2025, 5:24 PM

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calm roost lol that’s a thing? That sounds fun

Kyurem @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

Dragon Dance
Scale Shot
Icicle Spear
Tera Blast

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 5:30 PM

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Wait should I used that or mixed DD Kyu. That sounds like it would really throw people off

tacit bluff Mar 24, 2025, 7:06 PM

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physical dd is very much a higher risk higher reward mon

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it has more answers to it but also its much more threatening

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with two ddance boosts you're threatening the entire tier for massive damage with tera blast as an option to blow through the steels that otherwise wall you

barren ridge Mar 24, 2025, 7:33 PM

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heady comet Mar 24, 2025, 7:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b4e5e2917d3dfc5f

Anything you guys would change on this team team?

pale mortar Mar 24, 2025, 8:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/382ef4ff803d7cea

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any changes?

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 8:33 PM

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tacit bluff with two ddance boosts you're threatening the entire tier for massive damage wit...

Yeah I’m currently trying to conjure up a dd Kyu team, and Tera fire really helped out in a test match

fathom garnet Mar 24, 2025, 8:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/98d56bfd76c6e955

fathom garnet Mar 24, 2025, 8:35 PM

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fathom garnet https://pokepast.es/98d56bfd76c6e955

Ou btw

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I feel like I'm missing some synergy with dragapult maybe?

calm roost Mar 24, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Does ogerpon work well as a pivot core with Dragapult?

fathom garnet Mar 24, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Kind of

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But i feel like I'm missing something

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Alr i changed it up a bit and it has better results

https://pokepast.es/b9a99d413c1f1f9a

tacit bluff Mar 24, 2025, 9:19 PM

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heady comet https://pokepast.es/b4e5e2917d3dfc5f Anything you guys would change on this tea...

rain is kinda mid tbh but for a rain team this isn't bad, I'd make pelli weather ball tho and barraskewda smth like psychic fangs over aqua jet, I also like zapdos on rain teams because its less scared of ogerpon, maybe over raging bolt, but otherwise this is ok

tacit bluff Mar 24, 2025, 9:27 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/382ef4ff803d7cea

this team looks ok, but with your only reliable hazard removal being cinderace you do have to be careful of hazard stack who can just set the hazards back up in the face of a court change, or if cinderace gets removed your main win con in ogerpon is put in a tough spot. I'd honestly make lando fast taunt to help out with that, since it outspeeds and shuts down Ting Lu and Gliscor's attempts to lay hazards and then allowing it to pivot to bring in something that can deal with either of them specs on hoopa is a lil weird especially without trick which would be pretty useful into the aforementioned hazard stack, but its also kinda odd because hoopa doesn't rly wanna lock into psychic in a metagame where darks are so widespread and it doesn't have a pivoting move. you can go with standard AV or slot trick over smth like tera blast to not get dunked on by mons that can exploit the choice lock, ~~like Ting Lu~~

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Otherwise this seems fine, you might wanna be a bit careful of wellspring tho

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e89daa7333400a06
Thoughts?

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queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:33 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/382ef4ff803d7cea

Hey, I saw this team, in Pokeaim's vid. Neato.

trail whale Mar 24, 2025, 10:34 PM

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queen saddle https://pokepast.es/e89daa7333400a06 Thoughts?

Whatre you trying to go for with this? Seems a bit all over the place without strong synergy between how each pokemon plays

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:34 PM

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Feels more like HO with 2 walls.

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Should Oger be SD?

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I have no specific goal in mind, or had none.

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I just saw some problems with my old team and changed it accordingly.

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https://pokepast.es/3f8e5bc46ee7e90c
This was the old version.

hot dome Mar 24, 2025, 10:39 PM

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ho shouldn't be paired with walls, as they are the antithesis of the playstyle

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ho is, well, hyper, focusde around stacking offensive sweepers to overwhelm the opponent's defensive core

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defensive mons take away from this since they give the opponent's mons time to heal and setup on their own, which can easily flip the already volatile playstyle

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Who to change out?

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Feel like Corvi is a must have.

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Maybe not the same set.

hot dome Mar 24, 2025, 10:43 PM

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this also isn't really hyper offense fwiw

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like luna said this team is just kinda all over the place

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for an offensive team you have no sweepers, overlapping speed control, and then skeledirge really weighs this team down

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if you were aiming for a hyper offense team, this woul dneed drastic overhauls

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If it was bulky offense, its more managable, but even then it probably needs quite a few changes

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:45 PM

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Again, not sure what I was going for, but what to use and not to use? Probably want BO more.

trail whale Mar 24, 2025, 10:47 PM

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@queen saddle might be helpful

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:48 PM

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This actually helps a lot, thinking of going with BO.
I’ll see what to change out and whatnot. Thank you.

hot dome Mar 24, 2025, 10:52 PM

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alright, if you want to run bulky offense you should:
Drop skeledirge, way too passive + tera hog, replace it with a spdef pivot like Gking, patches up your kyurem mu somewhat as well
Not really a fan of Corv unfortunately as you already have hazard control in tusk and this team is severly lacking in the offense department, I would recommend dropping for a pivot like zapdos to shore up your defense
And then make Darkrai NP

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Zapdos should be tera steel btw

queen saddle Mar 24, 2025, 10:55 PM

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hot dome alright, if you want to run bulky offense you should: Drop skeledirge, way too p...

I was wondering who to use a sp. def tank, thank you.
I’ll see about Zapdos, and try out NP Rai.

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Appreciate this!

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Should I make Oger SD?

hot dome Mar 24, 2025, 10:57 PM

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pivot should be fine for now

wintry jasper Mar 24, 2025, 11:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c0325293f5bf9bc4
made a decently standard Kyurem-centered offense team

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any feedback would be nice

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 12:42 AM

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wintry jasper https://pokepast.es/c0325293f5bf9bc4 made a decently standard Kyurem-centered of...

Having a hatterene implies that you want to aggressively check hazards as they are being sent out or else it’s just a subpar calm mind sweeper

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You have a gking which is good on Kyurem teams but it also implies you want to go a more bulky offense route which imo hatterene isn’t the best fit in

pale mortar Mar 25, 2025, 12:53 AM

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tacit bluff this team looks ok, but with your only reliable hazard removal being cinderace y...

ngl then would running scraf krai/ghold over hoopa and swap landorous to a fast taunt set be better?

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 12:54 AM

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hatterene --> cinderace for some better hazard control and a offensive pivot that fits on bulky offense teams

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hamurott --> lando t for a rocker + ground + flying

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gholdengo --> kingambit for an end-game wincon and ghost resist

calm roost Mar 25, 2025, 2:56 AM

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hot dome ho is, well, hyper, focusde around stacking offensive sweepers to overwhelm the ...

With this in mind, would a HO team include things like Ninetales-A for setup sweeping? Or is purely just offensive a viable play style for that?

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 2:56 AM

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hyper offense comes with a suicide lead to set hazards/field conditions yeah

calm roost Mar 25, 2025, 2:57 AM

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I’m trying to build around Ninetales setting screen for dd Kyurem

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 2:58 AM

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building advice isn't for this channel

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you should ask #comp-general

deep locust Mar 25, 2025, 3:05 AM

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https://pokepast.es/30a8c3affb5ee0b2

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Is this team bussin, or nah?

pale mortar Mar 25, 2025, 10:47 AM

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https://pokepast.es/922fefd87406c480
this team is working well for me in 1.6k rn but im kinda find it hard to deal against ironpress roar zazamenta and im thinking swapping out smthing for a pechuant/gholdengo for a fighting type but idk what to swap out for

alpine hornet Mar 25, 2025, 12:54 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/922fefd87406c480 this team is working well for me in 1.6k rn...

id make pon pivot pon (cudgel knock turn encore), lando standard defensive, and drop corv for pech

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you could also make cindy defensive

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i also feel like specs rai would be much better than specs hoopa here but yk idt it hurts to keep it if that was the core mon of the team

pale mortar Mar 25, 2025, 12:56 PM

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alr

pale mortar Mar 25, 2025, 12:56 PM

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alpine hornet id make pon pivot pon (cudgel knock turn encore), lando standard defensive, and ...

if lando standard defensive then this team kinda have speed problem ngl

alpine hornet Mar 25, 2025, 3:20 PM

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pale mortar if lando standard defensive then this team kinda have speed problem ngl

true, could make hoopa into scarfrai

calm roost Mar 25, 2025, 4:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f86964105bda71ee

any final thoughts on this? It’s for Ninetales to set the field so Kyu is comfy to ddance and sweep everything

calm roost Mar 25, 2025, 4:50 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/922fefd87406c480 this team is working well for me in 1.6k rn...

Tbh I feel like Hoopa just isn’t fast enough. Speed is king, and he doesn’t have much haha

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:52 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1f949d132fe77506

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fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:54 PM

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cloak for garg and glowkings trying to mash sludge poison

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spread is 4hko after tera and 3hko non tera from glowbro sludge

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spa to 2hko av crown (with rocks) and glowking a +1 25% to kill ghold with rocks at +1, speed for lu and garg+1 to creep and dump def

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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why ice spinner weav?

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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I got tired of rng

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letting me down

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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I get the fact that its more consistent but its really frustrating how often it misses damage rolls

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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realistically

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should be crash

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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its usually taxel

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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it was spinner when i had hwsish hatt to heal bird status

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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but crash works ig

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:57 PM

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tacit bluff its usually taxel

fuck taxel

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never using taxel again

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shitter move

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 PM

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problem is spinner is just like

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 PM

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contact+rng bs

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 PM

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weak

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 PM

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crash is perfectly fine with nmi

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 4:58 PM

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not ohkoing tusk is tragic

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and dnite being able to beat you thx to multiscale is also just not super cool for me idk

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2d1b60590fcd4161

sorry for the trouble was just looking to see what i can do about this squad, was wanting to do some like houndstone fat cuz it thrashes zama but the team has a tough time managing hazards and being really slow

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but also not spike stacking either so it's like

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this weird in between mesh that doesn't really work

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 4:59 PM

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252 Atk Never-Melt Ice Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 352-422 (94.8 - 113.7%) -- approx. 98.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

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lol

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also rocky helmet

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you fucking explode

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252 Atk Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 302-358 (81.4 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

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._.

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252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 272-324 (84.2 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

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?

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 PM

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well yeah but with nmi

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:00 PM

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252 Atk Never-Melt Ice Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 326-386 (100.9 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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._.

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252 Atk Never-Melt Ice Weavile Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Tera Normal Dragonite: 215-255 (66.5 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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your not breaking dnite anyways

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also inb4 "bulky dnite"

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that set is so fake

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also loses to pult

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

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I see bulky a fair bit on hstack

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but otherwise its not that common

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:01 PM

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its not dd if bulky

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and dd is the only real threat

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other wise its hatt food

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

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regardless taxel forces dnite to tera regardless

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you could go crash

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not spinner tho

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:02 PM

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so does crash

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😭

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im going crash

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i thought i said so

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oopie

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spa on krai is garunteed ohko on val with sludge

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(yes you need spa for this somehow)

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atk on tusk is for bolt

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darts even though timid pult becasue its atk is actually stronger then uninvested spa

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:04 PM

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fallow garden atk on tusk is for bolt

ur not booster anyway so u weren't picking up a speed boost regardless idt it matters

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so ye I get that

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bolt is a basard

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:04 PM

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tacit bluff ur not booster anyway so u weren't picking up a speed boost regardless idt it ma...

the atk is to kill bolt

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with hlr

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dump bulk

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it does matter

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to not just be slidering :<

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:05 PM

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its also better into Ting lu

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with cc

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:05 PM

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cc is for tera normal scor mostly

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helps with lu tho

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:05 PM

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this is p alright to me lowk AV krai is funky for sure

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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av krai is my "heat" mon

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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yeah I can tell lmfaooooo

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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can also just be boring lefties wisp

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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its not bad tho cause no one expects av

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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its quite nice into ghold

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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and you have enough hazard control to justify no boots

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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the main idea is no boots

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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fallow garden its quite nice into ghold

its also nice for moth who is a bit of a bastard sometimes

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:06 PM

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ye

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:07 PM

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especially into this team if its tera fairy gleam

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:07 PM

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ye

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steel>posion for ghold

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could go poison

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for moth

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:07 PM

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thats lowk ur biggest opp

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I'd say poison tbh

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cause moth is scaaary

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:07 PM

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ye

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shrimply

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win the coinflips

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:08 PM

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hatt can take a hit and ohko with psyshock I think

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oh wait actually

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only 56 spa

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idt that ohkos

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you can reactionary tera maybe and be fine

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wait it does

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ur fine

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:09 PM

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56+ SpA Hatterene Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 124 Def Iron Moth: 326-386 (108.3 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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132 SpA Iron Moth Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 32 SpD Hatterene: 288-338 (90.8 - 106.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:09 PM

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ye just calc'd it too

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you can beat it after sacking ig tera might goob you tho

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and I'd make krai tera poison just in case

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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ye

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:10 PM

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cause ghold is like

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not gonna like this team

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tbh

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tink annoys it with knock tera steel tusk beats it up too krai is a problem as is pult and weav

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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i lost to scarf gholt

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dies

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:11 PM

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worst comes to worse you tera

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scarf is an issue

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urrrr

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maybe diff tera on weav?

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ice is useful to make the damage roll over for shard and crash but you have nmi and also sd you shooould be ok

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to run a defensive tera

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:12 PM

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maybe

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steel?

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i wonder if

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the dmg amp from nmi

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is basically the same as wide lens taxel

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~~ignore rocky helmet and contact abilties~~

elder knoll Mar 25, 2025, 5:15 PM

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hi cbk

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:16 PM

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hai

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btw going 36 spdef hatt

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for the 2hko on non tera +1 from glowbro sludge

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:17 PM

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fallow garden is basically the same as wide lens taxel

taxel is stronger p sure

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85x1.2=102

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meanwhile taxel is effectively 120 bp

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accuracy willing

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:19 PM

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tacit bluff accuracy willing

thas why i said wide lens

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:20 PM

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well then its still a uhhhh

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hollon lemme math that rq

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97% chance to hit all 3

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:3c

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 PM

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if only it had long reach

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 PM

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real

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 PM

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aaa long reach weav

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cooking????????

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:21 PM

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decidueye don't need that shi give it to weav fr

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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weavile galar

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weavile with lanky arms

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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thats snealer

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smh

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:22 PM

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o troo

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:23 PM

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azure vigil https://pokepast.es/2d1b60590fcd4161 sorry for the trouble was just looking to ...

i can see houndstone probably having a niche somewhere deep down but

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its ur for a reason

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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ywahhh ik i just wanted to see if i could give it a try

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fwiw it has been like

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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azure vigil https://pokepast.es/2d1b60590fcd4161 sorry for the trouble was just looking to ...

HOUNDSTONEEEEEEEEE

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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putting in some work but the rest of the team

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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my goat

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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is just too slow too weak to hazards

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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up there with time old goats like shitmontop and quick claw

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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i don't wanna abandon the idea tho so id like to try to see if there are

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solutions i could do without dropping the dog

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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you have a poor roaring moon matchup

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:24 PM

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yeah

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weavile was messin me up too

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:25 PM

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tera fairy houdstone is the roaring moon countewr

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:25 PM

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corv is your only check to it but wo body press it just gets worn down by dd or it just gets taunted on

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what happens if a np darkrai manages to setup though

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:26 PM

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ting lu and pray that's p much it

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not good

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:26 PM

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azure vigil ting lu and pray that's p much it

ur so real for that

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:26 PM

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lolol

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:27 PM

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prob houndstone > band zama for a kingambit check and immediate power

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for roaring moon

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hmm

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 5:27 PM

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o wait why didnt you tell me this was husk's team

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:28 PM

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glape

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:28 PM

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what about it lol

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 5:28 PM

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could've just given the advice directly

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:28 PM

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oh

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i mustve forgot you were on this team

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 5:29 PM

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azure vigil solutions i could do without dropping the dog

dont think this at team works with or without the dog ngl, this is just too passive of a fat team that would need a serious overhaul

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:29 PM

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ya

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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honestly fat in general kinda mid im ngl

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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i liked the idea of like dog + garg cuz garg is evil but i think the rest of it

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was too awkward

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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ngl i really wanted the dog to work

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so i tried to give it a shot

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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i think it still can be ok fwiw

hot dome Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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dog + garg with a more proactive hazard removal team with gweezing/corv might work ig

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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hm

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i could drop uh

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slowking maybe

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/41faf97cc61ac9ce

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a0255ccd3b4cbf55

What should my final mon be?

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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chat what do we think of gambling

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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i thought garg for something like clef

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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father son...

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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wait no

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you need a fire resist

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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yeah

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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fathom garnet https://pokepast.es/a0255ccd3b4cbf55 What should my final mon be?

uh delete the team and check out samples

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ts looks hot ass

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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i think glowking is the droppable mon here assuming we keep dog

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like glowking is great but it doesn't have

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a specific role

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:31 PM

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run dogspam tbh

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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fathom garnet https://pokepast.es/a0255ccd3b4cbf55 What should my final mon be?

this team doesnt look like it has a direction

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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the only sucky part is

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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gambit is like

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kind of a dog

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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dying to t spikes and prim

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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fallow garden https://pokepast.es/41faf97cc61ac9ce

double kingambit?

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM

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low phoenix this team doesnt look like it has a direction

Wdym by that

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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teams are generally sorted by playstyle like hyper offense bulky offense balance stall etc

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9af74090b0bf5f42

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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It has a tactic tho

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:33 PM

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your team looks like its trying to do whatever without a single cohesive playstyle

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you dont slap a dondozo on a hyper offense team though

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or an iron moth on a stall

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for a reason

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:34 PM

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low phoenix you dont slap a dondozo on a hyper offense team though

~~unless your name is scarfire~~

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:34 PM

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I lead with valiant to take care of hazard and sceeen setters

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:34 PM

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iron valiant is not a lead

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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But it's working in my games

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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whats your elo

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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i'd hate to drop garg but a potential idea

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could be

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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because i promise this isnt going to work in mid-high ladder

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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Like 1.2k

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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yea youre still prob facing shitters thats why

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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garg > zama and toxapex > glowking

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keep the prim answer t spike absorb and water ressit

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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low phoenix whats your elo

LMFAO

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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while becoming a better answer into

fathom garnet Mar 25, 2025, 5:35 PM

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low phoenix yea youre still prob facing shitters thats why

Alr

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 5:36 PM

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bro fr said "post elo"

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:36 PM

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moon/rai/weave

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i just hate to drop the garg cuz i been meanin to do a curse garg team lately cuz that guys broken

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lol

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but it might be the best option for this

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like av pex and band zama

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ill just have to do garg another time mayhaps

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is there an av pex spread

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:38 PM

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theres an av pex on the sample fat taem

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you can use that

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:38 PM

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thanks

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https://pokepast.es/3294671e64a04e2d

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moon is still a little scary

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:41 PM

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hydrapple can be cm clef maybe

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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could but ogerpon turns a bit scary if i do that

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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corv + pex + zam + dog can work together

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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hm

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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not the best oger matchup but should be workable if you play smart

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:42 PM

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yeah it's

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doable

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aight ill drop the hydrapple then

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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yea ogerpon w makes building balance really annoying lmao

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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shame cuz it's been doing good but

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ay

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do wat we must

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i feel awkward sometimes when i drop mons that weren't even doing bad if that makes sense lol

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it's like this weird

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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yea

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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im sorry it's not ur fault lil bro

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type thing

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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teambuilding is hard i feel you lol

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its ok thats what this channel is for

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:43 PM

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fs

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what clef btw magic guard or?

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unaware

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Magic guard

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I hate unaware clef so much

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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felt

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tho moon might still beat that which is

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the scary part

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Not because it's annoying or anything quite the opposite

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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nah i getchu the magic guard is really hard to miss

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Granted unaware is fine in other formats but here it's so lol

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:44 PM

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cuz anytime ur not facing setup

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it's like

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u have no ability

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:45 PM

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And also you're hazard weak

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:45 PM

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mhm

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the only reason im thinking it on this is cuz

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moon is frightening and i don't think

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magic guard can beat it

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:45 PM

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tacit bluff Granted unaware is fine in other formats but here it's so lol

i ripped a team a while back with unaware clef and tera blast serp lmao

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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azure vigil magic guard can beat it

Mguard sticky barb can beat it

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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cm sticky barb maybe?

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is that a thing

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:46 PM

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Ye

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Plus you can twave

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It's not a stonewall check but it can cripple moon

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Sticky barb is usually on stealth rocks tho

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:47 PM

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id like to keep cm so it might be hard to fit in

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all this

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:47 PM

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Cm likes lefties because you can't cancel the recovery

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Cm should be fine into it

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:47 PM

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cm barb is viable

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you still have recovery

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:47 PM

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Yeah you have moonlight

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:47 PM

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trick cm blast light then maybe?

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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cm blast light knock

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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No coverage is a bit dicey

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Yeah knock

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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oh i see

tacit bluff Mar 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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Because then any contact gives them the barb

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:48 PM

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yah i see now

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i was seein the vision with that on moon but i was just thinking of other stuff but

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trick would be awwkard on other stuff

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so knock makes sense

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oh also

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is infestation > sludge viable on av pex

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or do you always need the strong poison fishing stab

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cuz i liked the idea of infest acid spray buttt

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40 bp poison move kinda awkward when u don't have time to drop stats

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also curious if surf could be chilling water

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 5:50 PM

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Chilling water is too gimmicky for my liking

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 5:50 PM

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fair enough

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i only run it on

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some araquanids on webs

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to avoid being setup bait

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cuz people love leading random dragons and setting up

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so

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but for this i think it's unnecessary

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is the infestation thing still possible tho or is that also too gimmicky

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cuz losing the strong poison stab is unfort but infest + acid is enticing

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https://pokepast.es/cef8b17a047edfe2 this is current final product btw

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 6:00 PM

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fallow garden ~~unless your name is scarfire~~

now im curious to see the pokepaste

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 6:00 PM

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oh yeah i was playing with him last night

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spdef dozo on offense

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fire

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lol

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 6:01 PM

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azure vigil https://pokepast.es/cef8b17a047edfe2 this is current final product btw

fyi its recommended that you test your teams first

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 6:01 PM

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yeah im loading up rn

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 6:01 PM

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nothing against you just a reminder

azure vigil Mar 25, 2025, 6:01 PM

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ye fs

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probably not doing my team justice staying in on a lando with pex turn 1 but ay

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we move

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lol

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 6:02 PM

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low phoenix now im curious to see the pokepaste

hold on i’ll find it

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 6:10 PM

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low phoenix now im curious to see the pokepaste

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 6:12 PM

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heat combo

fallow garden Mar 25, 2025, 6:18 PM

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it’s shiste trust

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 7:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/69e8ee7ad8ce9ee0
Is there anything I can do to not auto lose to stall?

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/684c25f19f603e0e

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thoughts on the team

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 7:58 PM

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broken fog https://pokepast.es/69e8ee7ad8ce9ee0 Is there anything I can do to not auto lose...

psyshock on dengo/darkrai

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fast offensive dengo

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and tera dark black glasses kingambit

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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crimson herald https://pokepast.es/684c25f19f603e0e

gastrodon and incineroar is inviable

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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low phoenix psyshock on dengo/darkrai

On both or one or the other?

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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iron boulder is shaky but useable

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 8:04 PM

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low phoenix gastrodon and incineroar is inviable

meaning

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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specs hoopa unfortunatel isnt it when there are so many dark types

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in the meta

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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broken fog On both or one or the other?

just one

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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low phoenix specs hoopa unfortunatel isnt it when there are so many dark types

damn so the team is really shaky

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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i prefer ghold but ive seen on darkrai before to surprise

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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crimson herald meaning

theyre shitters

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unranked in the vr

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:05 PM

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low phoenix i prefer ghold but ive seen on darkrai before to surprise

I think Darkrai fits more bc of the Dengo set being yk

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Tera fairy dazzle

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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eh

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ghold doesnt need stab on dazzling gleam

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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It already has it's own stuff going on with that

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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fairy is just a good defensive typing in general

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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low phoenix ghold doesnt need stab on dazzling gleam

It doesn't ik

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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low phoenix theyre shitters

ah so i should take both out?

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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if you give psyshoc kto rai make it tera ghost

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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Dazzle is good though to beat Tusk aint it?

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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broken fog Dazzle is good though to beat Tusk aint it?

yea

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:06 PM

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low phoenix if you give psyshoc kto rai make it tera ghost

What would this be for?

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I jst wanna understand what each change does.

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:08 PM

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imo ghold can be nasty plot shadow ball psyshock mir/dazzling gleam for the fairies and stall matchup

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apart from that your team looks fine

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just be careful of the raging bolt matchup

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 8:09 PM

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low phoenix imo ghold can be nasty plot shadow ball psyshock mir/dazzling gleam for the fair...

Who should I put in instead of hoopa

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:10 PM

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ngl

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i think you should check the sample teams first

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teambuilding is hard you shoud get an idea of whats viable in the current meta first before you build

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 25, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 8:11 PM

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Ok ty

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 8:11 PM

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broken fog I jst wanna understand what each change does.

if you continue to have trouble dragonite can be bulk up great tusk

broken fog Mar 25, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Ok

crimson herald Mar 25, 2025, 10:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/457c6e5a85af1e1c

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This team good or do they not go well together

low phoenix Mar 25, 2025, 11:21 PM

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Not a rate but why do I imagine this team as an spl cteam if I swap subtect Kyurem to dragon dance

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Def just me though

hearty lotus Mar 25, 2025, 11:40 PM

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https://pokepast.es/f857ca248f68c8ec it's not a bad team just that sun matchup is bad besudes idt there is any problem

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 25, 2025, 11:40 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

pale mortar Mar 26, 2025, 2:48 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ee06f1033102ea66
any changes?

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this team kinda struggles sometime struggled against gambit during late game

native saffron Mar 26, 2025, 3:30 AM

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https://pokepast.es/544ed5a35ff836c3 decided to take a crack at making a simple HazardStack/Balance team after not being on SV OU for a bit

calm roost Mar 26, 2025, 6:07 AM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/ee06f1033102ea66 any changes?

I’m not an expert, but I’d use lead booster treads, and a gambit counter over ogerpon like Zama

calm roost Mar 26, 2025, 6:09 AM

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native saffron https://pokepast.es/544ed5a35ff836c3 decided to take a crack at making a simple ...

That looks fun tbh

pale mortar Mar 26, 2025, 7:08 PM

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https://pokepast.es/33c0381c02581d18
any changes?

regal ginkgoBOT Mar 26, 2025, 7:08 PM

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New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @low phoenix, @trail whale, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tacit bluff Mar 26, 2025, 7:09 PM

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idt you need trick on clef with knock off sticky barb

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you could lowk slot stealth rocks and then have tusk go 4 attacks

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I'd also make tusk max atk

low phoenix Mar 26, 2025, 7:25 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/33c0381c02581d18 any changes?

What does g zapdos do on this team?

pale mortar Mar 26, 2025, 7:35 PM

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low phoenix What does g zapdos do on this team?

it there to just break stall tbh

low phoenix Mar 26, 2025, 7:39 PM

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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fighting Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 274-324 (54.3 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Interesting calc

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I think you might have to do some predicting on the pecha/cha matchup but boosting +3 on a parting shot is funny

narrow crest Mar 26, 2025, 8:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d9fa8501a8505c3f

calm roost Mar 26, 2025, 8:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0174879b7df0b951

I’m really enjoying this team, but I can’t help but think there’s something missing here. Maybe it’s Hatterene? But what would happen if I lose out on mb?

calm roost Mar 26, 2025, 8:54 PM

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pale mortar https://pokepast.es/ee06f1033102ea66 any changes?

Also was I right about this? I tried it in a couple matches and it was fun

wanton gyro Mar 26, 2025, 9:03 PM

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SV OU stall team that gets 6-0'd by wogerpon. what should i change https://pokepast.es/a831d70083411efa

tacit bluff Mar 26, 2025, 9:11 PM

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stall

bad matchup into woger

this was guaranteed

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regardless I think some stall staples matchup p well into woger

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pex handles it relatively well with poison jab or toxic, vileplume is a kinda sheist answer, hydrapple is also valid because it has enough physical bulk to eat a play rough and anything else woger throws at it just doesn't do a lot of damage

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not too great with stall so I'll leave this to someone else

crimson herald Mar 26, 2025, 9:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/457c6e5a85af1e1c

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Thoughts?

#SV OU Rates