SV OU Rates

[edgy warren]

i mean typical rilla switchins like corv

i thnk stuff like moltres is also fairly common now though

maybe i should have rock slide or smthn, also ive realised i hard lose to washtom

[low phoenix]

ok you are pivoting between a bulky offense and balance you have to commit to one playstyle

which one do you choose

washtom is not a common mon and you have ogerpon + rillaboom so your matchup is fine

[edgy warren]

no, washtom + grass check completely shuts down the core

i just played against 2 in a row

[low phoenix]

hat elo

what elo

are you playing in

and if you have a replay show me

[edgy warren]

moltres cannot touch washtom, and i cant go hard into my grasses for fear of will o

[edgy warren]

i think 1400s atm

went on a loss streak last time i was on

i always drop to low when i want to make new teams

[low phoenix]

then change one of your grass mons

you can try booster raging bolt > ogerpon

av primarina > toxpex

bulky kingambit > ting lu

[edgy warren]

gambit and raging bolt fulfill the same purpose

[low phoenix]

what

[edgy warren]

bulky prio sweeper

[low phoenix]

gambit and raging bolt check different mons

gambit is a dark/steel raging bolt is electric/dragon

how are they the same

[edgy warren]

bulky prio sweeper 😴

not a fan

i might just scrap this team idt grass spam works this gen at all

[low phoenix]

wait i realize you dont have any fast mons

[edgy warren]

tera pon and rilla

but both r grass

which isnt veery good for speed control

so yeah the team has too many flaws i will do over

[low phoenix]

ok good luck

[sick scarab]

ogerpon?

[low phoenix]

Ogerpon wellspring more specifically

[trail whale]

Lefties Psychic Iron Valiant, Boots Whirlwind Iron Moth, Throat Spray Ice Beam Primarina aren't good sets

with every pokemon, you'll see "Import/Export" slightly above, click on it and then you'll see on the bottom of the page recommended sets.

[sonic venture]

https://pokepast.es/c272d7c043007a87

Its my first team and I dont really know what im doing so I'd appreciate any type of help or improvements I could make!

[trail whale]

I highly recommend using a more offensive team building Gterrain

[edgy warren]

probably yeah, i dont really like gimmick teams though

and only gterrain ive seen is people building full teams around it

seem with psyterrain

[low phoenix]

G terrain isn’t really gimmicky rillaboom has definitely fallen off though because of how many 4x grass resists are there in the current meta

And how easy it is to revenge kill if it’s locked not on grassy glide

[royal gorge]

Why thank you.
also yeah I got rid of my Primarina for Araquanid

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/e59714ae3e136acf continuing my persisting obsession with cloak moon

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

Growth Venu or CM Bolt are much better than Comfey. both as Pokemon and synergies with the team, since they threaten the bulky waters effectively while still being threatening set up sweepers

[crude shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/3e0881fffab816c8
tried to make a stall team for the first time.

Sorry if it’s not that good :p

(If anyone gets the references for the nicknames, I respect you immensely)

[trail whale]

Highly recommend using samples to learn the meta before building your own teams.

• Meowscarada is really weak without hazard stack and Pult is already speed control
• Timid is important on Pult for Zamazenta and it really wants Fthrower for Kingambit
• Azu is pretty bad as a breaker, especially when yu already have Specs Pult
• Ceru is a very HO mon and doesnt work here, even with the attempt of double removal
• poor team synergy is represented well by how hard you lose to Specs Kyurem, Roaring Moon depending on Tera, Waterpon even, can go on but the biggest thing you'll want to learn while playing svou is the different archetypes and how they work

[trail whale]

Yeah if I were to rate this Id probably make it very similar to a sample :(

Blissey is much much better mon for stall than AV Lu as it has recovery, boots, and CM.
Garg isnt great on stall as it doesnt actually check much
That Gliscor is far too offensive
Pecha's pp issues and working as a pivot means it cant fit on smth like stall

[crude shuttle]

Ty for helping! Do you have any ideas for Gliscor? I tried making it a toxic-spammer while being bulky and still hitting with both its stabs.

[sonic venture]

thank you for the input, I'll learn a bit more and come up with a better team. This was very helpful!

[crude shuttle]

Also how should I fix pecha? I want a good pivot that can toxic stall.

[trail whale]

stall doesn't need pivots rlly, and Gliscor can just run Toxic + hazards + Knock Off, thats all you really need to toxic spam

https://pokepast.es/5f79ccf1b3607ea3 example of a Ting-Lu stall

[crude shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/81fd6c8ce87f118c “WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER!?” Revamp.

[zenith harbor]

new and improved

btw somethings wrong with the game in this screenshot

I have heavy duty boots on ever blank item slot

[trail whale]

Make Tinkaton Air Balloon and Valiant a CM set

also Moltres needs Roost, over Roar or maybe Will O

[zenith harbor]

doesnt valiant have a higher base atk

[trail whale]

yes but CM is better for your team since it deals better with Zama & Tusk

[zenith harbor]

oh ok

[clever rover]

Choice band ice beam is wild

Triple itemless is crazy

[zenith harbor]

its to cover ground weakness

also the itemless are heavy duty idk why the game did that

ice punch is probably better tho

[queen saddle]

No knock off. 💔

[zenith harbor]

doesnt that have knock off?

do you want me not to have knock off?

[clever rover]

That’s not knock off

[zenith harbor]

on iron valiant?

[hot dome]

hey, please don't post teams that aren't complete in this channel

[zenith harbor]

bro read my whole thing pleaaseee

[hot dome]

also a good chunk of these sets are unviable

[zenith harbor]

😭

[hot dome]

for future reference btw use pokepaste: its easeir for us to read

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.

[hot dome]

ddance kyurem with no physical attack is unviable, life orb excadrill is unviable, banded ttar is pretty mid and aerial ace/ice beam are both unvialble picks on it

this team doesn't really gel well with sand in general with two picks that don't really work great on the style and weaknnesses to common threats ie ogerpon wellspring

and sand in general is a pretty mid to bad archetype in the tier, even with a full team around it

i would honestly suggest just running a sample team: sand is iffy in the best of conditions due to rising threats like Ting Lu and Zamazenta being ever present nuisances for the archetype, and even without then its hard to justify sand when the only abuser is excadrill, its chip damage just as much a detriment as a boon, and unlike other weather archetypes where they can surround themself with powerful abusers to justify playing 5v6, ttar excadrill just isn't enough to make it

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[trail whale]

:(

[hot dome]

o i did not scroll up that far lol

sorry luna :( but i have realized that sand is booty cheeks

[late vessel]

Need to know which team is better and if either is good

Less bulky: https://pokepast.es/628fddd5a8314280

More bulky: https://pokepast.es/f88e612ab4c8efb7

[trail whale]

more :( that half of rate was ignored

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/304a50bf17dc966c

Tryna go superman

And

Be immune to spikes instead of removing it

[novel parcel]

https://pokepast.es/f5eba2ea8ba47925
need some help on this aurora veil team

[odd jackal]

Why is Rillaboom here

[novel parcel]

I like grass terrain for my set up sweepers and i like a prio move i can use to revenge kill stuff

but yeah its kinda weird to have both it and ogerpon wellspring no?

[hot dome]

ironically rillaboom isn't the worst on veil

(somehow)

[hot dome]

team lacks speed control, i would swap out manaphy for iron moth as you already have a strong slow breaker in ogerpon-w and iron moth adds some very nice speed control

other than that, seems solid, might want to drop rillaboom if you want another option for speed control

[hot dome]

this doesn't really work, both your spdef and phys def cores are shockingly weak despite the number of phys and spdef walls you have, and cm latias only fits on hyper offense veil team sna dn even then its a niche pick

superman teams aren't really a thing these days especially since boots spam + knock absorber is better

i would honestly suggest scrapping the team, the concept is flawed and idt theres enough spike immune mons that work together to build a viable superman team

[tacit bluff]

all weathers are barring sun unfort

[tacit bluff]

also yeah as faya said these picks don't synergise that well

superman in the days of hdb its kinda dead

especially because stealth rocks also exist and are intensely annoying

which already limited their effectiveness as far back as gen 4

[zenith harbor]

mb I should have switched up my set more

[novel parcel]

thanks for the advice! the team plays a lot better now!

[twin wasp]

would you guys be willing to give me some advice? https://pokepast.es/03253396bb998082 its for gen 9 ou singles on pokemon showdown

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

this team has several anti syngeries that don't rly work

blissey and toxapex are nearly exclusively stallmons meanwhile glimmora is an offensive staple and even outside of its lead set it does not run specs, gholdengo dragapult and lando meanwhile have somewhat bizzare sets

they're a perfectly viable core, not in this situation though

I'd reccomend a sample team so you can familiarise yourself with various team synergies and sets

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[sonic venture]

https://pokepast.es/d221a028469b094a My 2nd attempt at teambuilding, would really appreciate some advice on how to improve it. Its for Gen 9 OU singles

[low phoenix]

This team looks very weak to raging bolt

And you forgot to change Tera’s on your mons

It’s still 100% salvageable though dw just gimme a bit to think of what to change

[sonic venture]

Okay thank you

[low phoenix]

Change corviknight to glowking, corviknight and moltres roles overlap and you aren’t in urgent need of a physical check/knock off absorber

Pex > wogerpon for an offensive core with dragapult and a knocker

Change moltres > zapdos for a volt turn core with dragapult/wogerpon and woger check

Tera fire great tusk too

[tacit bluff]

not sure if this team is going for an offensive core

it looks balance to me

although ig specs pult and kingambit kinda imply offence

[sonic venture]

what about Ground then? I'd only have zapdos as the only immunity/resistance

[low phoenix]

I interpreted it as bulky offense

[tacit bluff]

I mean the gameplan suggests its smth along the lines of hazard balance

with a late game cleaner kinda

issue is there's no spiker

[low phoenix]

No spikes tho

And pex is out of place

[sonic venture]

Well I dont really know what im doing so its probably a lil bit of everything 😭

[low phoenix]

It’s fine your team has a solid foundation

[tacit bluff]

it can go the balance or BO route

tbf

if you wanna do the BO thats fine

its just kinda in the middle and there's almost two seperate cores rn

[sonic venture]

I'm not really sure tbh what would you guys recommend based on what I have in rn?

[low phoenix]

I like bulky offense but nocturne recommended balance so do you want to play the longer game with more defensive options or do damage immediately and still be able to take hits

[sonic venture]

probably bulky offense then but I also dont wanna be too frail defensively that a set up sweeper just rolls my team

[low phoenix]

Aight

Just follow my recommendations then

[tacit bluff]

^

I'll give you a balance team later if you want

[sonic venture]

Okay thank you both lots

[sonic venture]

the more advice the better lmao

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/181e43d87760a788 guys i lost my mind doing stats work so i flipped the leavanny webs sun team on its head

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

is this supposed to be a serious team

surskit + politoed + treads set

[narrow crest]

originally it was serious. love the leavanny webs sun so i was like ykw imma try rain. first4 were serious and i kinda gave up. surskit set outspeeds and ohkos tusk in rain

idk why i didnt go with peli

lunge is for oger and endure is to activate button

[hot dome]

There is no reason to run webs rain

Rain is an already struggling archetype that needs to surround itself with as many powerful sweepers and breakers as possible, as well as checks to its most common threats, and instead this team is playing 4v6

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/05d2ff38b80b8254

[trail whale]

basically all of these sets are bad except for corv who doesnt fit on sun anyways
recommend using smogon strategy dex sets before sending teams so that flaws are easier to distinguish

[faint vortex]

Hello everyone, I built this treads HO team a while back. It's done well but always open to suggestions. Thanks in advance https://pokepast.es/0d770ce85591231f

[trail whale]

This looks more like an offense team that prefers a more consistent pivot like LandoT over Treads tbh
ho should try not to use U turn Ogerpon and AV Prim id say

[faint vortex]

Ok so I can switch Treads to lando. What should I have instead of prim? And what set on wpon should I run, SD?

[trail whale]

Treads -> Lando makes this a solid offense team, no need for more changes.
But youd have to switch those around if you wanted to make a Treads HO team specifically

[hollow grotto]

https://pokepast.es/34f2d725acecc1cc

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow grotto]

rate my teeeeam

probably gonna run standard tera water gholdengo actually

no tbolt sucks, but I can always bluff

yk what who needs flash cannon anyway? running tbolt for coverage

[low phoenix]

booster energy + u turn roaring moon is a choice

zamazenta should have crunch as coverage vs ghosts

tera blast on lando is mostly used on choice scarf sets

*not a full rate as im busy right now

[trail whale]

Id recommend using samples before building your own team, none of these are bad pokemon but all of them have the wrong sets and shak synergy with each other
only reasonable set is probably Val but youre already digging into how many physical attackers there are

I can explain why each set is bad if you want

[hollow grotto]

tera ice lando is for other lando, dragons and co

but yeah it's kinda trash

I suppose anti fairy zamazenta is super unncessary and suboptimal

[low phoenix]

Don’t use zama as your fairy check there are other mons for that

Iron moth iron crown kingambit on more offensive teams

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/76c09b4d619b8167

[low phoenix]

Wake > standard specs

Venusaur > Tera fire

Imo poltergeist over close combat/solar blade on Ceru ledge so you can hit pult

[zenith harbor]

I kinda one shot once im set up tho

[low phoenix]

Great tusk > standard offensive with leftovers/boots

[zenith harbor]

i like close combat for garg

[low phoenix]

Pivot bolt is meh on sun but booster energy isn’t important so change it to calm mind with leftovers/balloon/whatever item

Having spammable physical ghost stab is lit

[zenith harbor]

is the team mostly good after those changes though?

[low phoenix]

Yea I’d say so

Make sure to test tho

[low phoenix]

Solar blade hits garg too

[zenith harbor]

oh wait you right

[trail whale]

basically all of these sets are bad 2.0
I can explai why but no reason to not use smogon strategy dex, at least for the top mons
also Ninetales >> Torkoal & Hatt one of Venu/Bolt, they both do very similar stuff for sun and Hatt is a crucial pivot + hazard denying for sun.

[zenith harbor]

My sets are basically the same as the smogon ones i found minus a few changes i feel i can explain though

[low phoenix]

I was thinking that too lol

If you want a pivot you can change bolt/venusaur to av slither wing

[zenith harbor]

i thought slither wing sucked

[low phoenix]

Priority helps vs dark//grounds get Ceruledge in safely

[zenith harbor]

nine tails does look better though

[trail whale]

Specs Spe Booster is just better version of Scarf SpA Booster because speed protosynthesis is 1.5x (same as Scarf) while SpA booster is 1.3 (less than Specs)

Venu is still Calm Nature and Lefties, thats too weak for it to even be a threat

AV isnt a great item on Tusk because it doesnt change relevant match ups and youre not even running mandatory moves like Rapid Spin and Ice Spinner, lose too hard to Gliscor and isnt very useful otherwise. Max speed is also crucial

Raging Bolt should also be CM

[zenith harbor]

I feel like 348 isnt fast enough in a lot of the match ups though, like dragapult or a lot of the other good dragons

what should i put instead of av though

[low phoenix]

It’s faster than many crucial targets like Kyurem great tusk Lando t gliscor

[zenith harbor]

alright

[low phoenix]

Mons that walking wake is supposed to check

[zenith harbor]

imma do specs them

then

[trail whale]

youre going to be in sun almost all the time, so you'll outspeed these threats

Rocky Helmet & HDB are some options you can run on Tusk

[median fulcrum]

is sv ou

just like

ou

gen 9 ou

https://pokepast.es/57bde573fb0fabef

🙏

[trail whale]

this is indeed gen 9 ou

[tacit bluff]

this lowk just a weird SS ou team but with garg

😭

thats to say there's some flaws here

[median fulcrum]

what is ss ou

im new osrry

sorry

[tacit bluff]

gen 8

[zenith harbor]

how did you react so fast

lmao

[median fulcrum]

ohh

idk

[tacit bluff]

regardless this team is like

[median fulcrum]

hlw cld i improve the tema?

team

[tacit bluff]

uhhhh

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/57bde573fb0fabef

il resend

so dont hv to scrol l up

👍

[zenith harbor]

smogon has nothing on sun team nine tails or nine tails in ou

how should i build it

[median fulcrum]

i keep dyijgn ti stall

[tacit bluff]

well there's a lot of odd things here, scarf lando is viable but it doesn't run outrage

and then you have this balance core with heatran corv and garg and rotom w sorta but then specs pult is just chilling there

[median fulcrum]

omdsss

[tacit bluff]

like there's a lot happening here

[median fulcrum]

o

is that bad

[tacit bluff]

oh and ogerpon wellspring completely demolishes this team of 6

[median fulcrum]

yea

usually i can landorus and it die

or dragapult

idk

[trail whale]

Ninetales @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Weather Ball
• Will-O-Wisp
• Encore
• Healing Wish

[zenith harbor]

wait nvm lmao my smogon was gen 7

yeah i found it loll

[median fulcrum]

so do i removee dragapult

or like

idk how to imrpove it

idk

and soem teams hv like 3 hazard setters

[magic walrus]

@zenith harbor if you want a sun team, you can just take ausma's (im not giving further details as im not a pro)https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/jungle-joyride-eject-pack-leavanny-ceruledge-sun-peaked-10-at-1930.3757601/

[median fulcrum]

idk how to counter that

[tacit bluff]

ig what I will say is you wanna know what team style ur going for, cause right now its kinda just all over the place and these mons don't synergise all that well with each other

I'd reccomend a sample team here so you can get a better feel for what team archetypes pokemon fit in and what pokemon work well with each other

[median fulcrum]

isnt heatran and corv good tgt

[tacit bluff]

like I wouldn't really know where to start without overhauling half the team

[median fulcrum]

cover eachother weakness

rotom w for pivot

draga for instant dmg

landorus idk

[zenith harbor]

I spent a lot of time on this team i dont wanna jump ships ngl

[median fulcrum]

do i replace landorus with something

[trail whale]

I think itd take a lot to fix
On top of waterpon you lose to Kyurem, NP Darkrai, cant break stall, and just has very low damage output

[tacit bluff]

heatran is eh in gen 9 and corv covers some stuff but not super well

[magic walrus]

well if your choice im not going to change you

[median fulcrum]

o

dyk how i cld start?

[trail whale]

But as nugget said you should start by choosing a playstyle you want to use

[zenith harbor]

Well he's looking for a specific niche you're trying to go for so that he could better make that happen

[median fulcrum]

i mean most ppl never expect

scarf lando t

takes out a lot of things

• NOBODY expects outrage

[zenith harbor]

like the one im trying to make is offense based off of a specific weather

you kind of have to have a plan

[tacit bluff]

outrage is a terrible thing for a scarfer to lock into with tera fairy and good fairy types everywhere

[median fulcrum]

i like palying abt

arnd heatran

cuz it traps things

and then i js

yeah

[tacit bluff]

once they know its outrage they send in iron valiant and get free setup

[median fulcrum]

treu

• idh a setup moin

mon

idk

[zenith harbor]

I don't mean to question smogon cuz it clearly knows better than me but why would i want healing wish on my sun setter

[tacit bluff]

anyway I'm kinda busy rn unfort so I'll refer you to a sample for now

[zenith harbor]

dont i want to keep it as long as i can

[tacit bluff]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[median fulcrum]

ty

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/0020596f68fbd8ab this one has garg and pult which you have on ur team if you're interested

[median fulcrum]

oo

[trail whale]

your games should be fast because your defensive backbone is weak and you have a lot of power
when a good sweeper is low you can bring ninetales in for the final time and heal it up to full

[tacit bluff]

^

you don't healing wish immeadietly obv ninetales can sometimes come in twice

[zenith harbor]

That make sense

[tacit bluff]

and the second time you click healing wish

plus it acts as a pivot

[zenith harbor]

so i should just go all in and try to finish within two suns

[tacit bluff]

p much

[trail whale]

unless you think you can go for longer then yeah
try and keep in mind how the game will play out if you make x play

[tacit bluff]

I should write an HO bible one day just like how there's a stall bible

[zenith harbor]

thank yall lol, sorry if i was asking too much

[zenith harbor]

whats HO

[tacit bluff]

cause HO you gotta rly understand what resources you have and what you can afford to sack and when

Hyper Offence

sun teams tend to lean hyper offence

[zenith harbor]

is sun HO?

[tacit bluff]

due to the temporary nature of the strategy

[zenith harbor]

yeah thats what I though

[tacit bluff]

nah dw about it the point is to ask questions

[zenith harbor]

I didn't know about heat rock,this thing is goated

[trail whale]

I personally see Sun as an Offense but who cares

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/a0ad752ae11b997f I need help

[zenith harbor]

i had someone call me a son of a bitch after the team change, i think its working

[trail whale]

This looks like an offense team instead which would benefit from Lando > Corviknight and ditching your Boots. You lack an electric immunity so Raging Bolt kind of rolls this squad, and it provides you with Rocks which is pretty handy for an offensive team.

I'd also recommend mixed Val > Prim just for some speed control and breaking power, helps you stallbreak a bit better too.

[magic walrus]

and can dark be scarf?

[trail whale]

can do like expert belt on there

[magic walrus]

and shadow ball for val?

or t-bolt

[trail whale]

Moonblast CC Knock Off Encore

[magic walrus]

and what about raging bolt?

keep or replace

[trail whale]

keep

[low phoenix]

Raging bolt can be roaring moon for another powerful sweeper and if you’d like to lean into the darkspam

Or that

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/91adb38a90090be0 here is the improvised one👍

[low phoenix]

change volt switch to calm mind

and bolt to max spa and speed with a +modest nature

tera electric val is meh wo thunderbolt i think steel works better on mixed val

[magic walrus]

that is it, right?

[novel parcel]

im having trouble against garganacle (esp iron defense garganacle) is there anything i can do to modify my team to make it better in that match up

https://pokepast.es/cfc08c55631ce58b

and petchurant

[tacit bluff]

Rillaboom is kinda whatever on this team

You have oger so you already cover grass and Ogerpon is already a good breaker

[novel parcel]

dont I need a prio mon?

how would you reccomend replacing it/

*?

[tacit bluff]

It's useful for sure but it's not a necessity

Also idk why oger doesn't have grass stab

That's one of the best things about it

[novel parcel]

I removed grass stab from ogre since rillaboom is basically just grass stab

thought id do with more coveraage

[tacit bluff]

Without the grass stab oger just loses to other ogerpon

Which isn't ideal

[robust dome]

I think horn leech is very underrated, You have tusk so u shldnt be tooo worried about gambit.

[tacit bluff]

Honestly what I'm thinking is calm mind iron crown if garg and pecha are annoying you

[novel parcel]

mmmm thats an interesting thought

[tacit bluff]

It checks both, gives you another special attacker

[novel parcel]

yeah

[tacit bluff]

And it's a pretty scary mon in it's own right

Your kingambit mu becomes a bit worse but nothing a well timed Tera can't fix

And ur still fine into gambit

[novel parcel]

yeah i got like three answers for gambit rn

got tera kyurem and low kick and the robot volcarona and the tusk

[tacit bluff]

My one concern becomes you're stacking a fair few booster mons but you should be generally ok

[novel parcel]

what about moveset on the iron volcorna something instead of sub?

like sub is really only useful to cheeck kingambit right

[tacit bluff]

Nah sub is good in general

It gives you the opportunity to throw off more fiery dances and it punishes switches

Oh and it helps against raging bolt

[novel parcel]

thats fair

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm honestly my biggest concern becomes phasing moves

[novel parcel]

phasing moves?

whats that

[tacit bluff]

Roar whirlwind etc

[novel parcel]

ohh

[tacit bluff]

Because you have 3 booster mons

[novel parcel]

yeah with hella booster

yeah makes sense

[tacit bluff]

It has a work around tho

[novel parcel]

i was thinking about darkrai too

like scarf/specs rai

instead of iron cobalion

[tacit bluff]

The main phaser in the tier is ting lu, zama carries it too but it doesn't appreciate the existence of iron moth or iron crown so you should be fine

My idea is since your gambit matchup is already pretty decent you don't rly need low kick

You can do stabs sd taunt for Ogerpon

And then you turn ting lu into setup food

[novel parcel]

okay thats a pretty good thought

for stabs horn leech right

for some sustain

and then iron crown instead of rilla

imma try that

thanks for the help

[tacit bluff]

Ye horn leech good

[novel parcel]

yeah this is also really nice because im not as threatened by big U turn

one other problem i was having is like ogerpon and meowscarada pressing u turn

[tacit bluff]

Iron crown is also nice because it gives you another fairy check, which is nice because otherwise the team doesn't appreciate fairy types

Especially kyurem

[novel parcel]

i mean both the fairies in the tier enamorous and the seal mermaid starter pokemon i have good answers to no?

[tacit bluff]

You can potentially free up iron moth in future for smth else tho if you ever find it necessary

Well there's iron valiant

Who is scary

Because even after a ddance it's faster than you and can encore lock you

[queen saddle]

Emboar is actually kinda strong in OU.

Banded reckless flare blitz hits way too hard.

[novel parcel]

usually rilla terra grass OHKOs them but yeah i feel you it does check kyurem a lil but

[tacit bluff]

Not the channel for this

[queen saddle]

Mb.

[tacit bluff]

Nw

[novel parcel]

yeah thats really good advice ill do some testing and see if i wanna switch anything up

if too many boost up energies end up being an issue i was thinking about take heart manaphe too as an alternative to iron moth but thats probs too set up relient

either way i can figure that out later

thank you

[tacit bluff]

Manaphy can work although I was thinking maybe even blaziken can work because it's otherwise mediocre bulk is really bolstered by screens

[novel parcel]

ooh

[tacit bluff]

So it can actually setup reliably rather than waste a slot on protect

[novel parcel]

fire stab too

wait

do screens reduce flare blitz recoul

[tacit bluff]

No

[novel parcel]

aww

[tacit bluff]

But yeah yw

[novel parcel]

thats definately an interesting idea

[tacit bluff]

Yeah it has dual stab and eq

[novel parcel]

I have a funny idea

what if i go sub blazekin?

[tacit bluff]

Hell you can even use upper hand if you think the recoil and defence drops from flare blitz and close combat respectively means kingambit becomes an issue

Sub works

Sub lefties blaziken is real

[novel parcel]

yeah like make it kinda bulkey

okay ill try blazekin out

[tacit bluff]

sub is moreso to call out smth like tclap

issue with blaziken and sub is recoil

like it can work but its hard

sometimes it just commits to the fact that its gonna be taking a lot of recoil anyway and runs LO

to take as many kos as possible before dropping

by the time its done the opposing team has been dented enough

if blaziken goes even 1.5-1 then its done its job

[novel parcel]

i get that

I was thinking sub because then i can answer raging bolt

thats the raikou past paradox right

[tacit bluff]

yep

great neck as I like to call it

or bastard, depending on how I'm feeling

[novel parcel]

he is a bit of bastard

[glad flint]

https://pokepast.es/87891c3e1a8efd64

is there anything major I should do about this team

I just realized I accidently ran double leftovers

🥀

[tacit bluff]

double lefties is fine there's no item clause in Smogon singles

uhhhh this is actually pretty good aside from dragonite

oh and boots darkrai wouldn't run trick

thats it

just make dnite boots and swap trick on darkrai for smth like wisp or taunt

[glad flint]

these should be alright now right?

[tacit bluff]

ye

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/ba6ec96c14ac2172
im new to teambuilding so im not entirely sure if this is a good team or not, i was thinking of switching out slowking galar to someone but idk who

[low phoenix]

very solid bulky offense but your team is kinda slow

hmm

raging bolt > specs dragapult

moltres > zapdos

kingambit > bulky gambit

great tusk > tera fire

@terse locust

[terse locust]

why zapdos instead of moltres?

[low phoenix]

wogerpon check

can spread paralysis

[terse locust]

am i doing offensive or defensive zapdos?

[low phoenix]

defensive

zapdos is mostly used as a defensive pivot these days

raging bolt is the go to mon for an offensive electric type

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/88da11888110fb01

like this?

[low phoenix]

Kingambit @ Leftovers
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• Sucker Punch
• Kowtow Cleave
• Iron Head

use the smogon ev spread

great tusk --> tera fire

but otherwise fine

[terse locust]

aight ive done it

[low phoenix]

bet

[terse locust]

tysmm

[low phoenix]

youre welcome

good luck laddering

[viral rover]

https://pokepast.es/c38bcb7f30978541

tried making an HO team with some help from other people in OU chat / another server

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

-ho team
-look inside
-two sweeper

[hot dome]

Ok seriously this team has a few weird sets that hold it back + scarf ghold

Tera blast fairy is just better for dnite since you get a better defensive Tera for similar offensive output

Darkrai should be nasty plot

Iron Valiant should be Calm Mind over Aura Sphere

Zamazenta shouldn’t be atk invested and heavy slam is kinda mid af I would suggest either 2 attack + roar or chesto berry + rest

Scarf ghold is mid af here drop it for another sweeper

Since dnite is going to be a massive Tera hog on this team I’d actually suggest not using gambit but instead rmoon

But up to you most of them are going to be solid picks

Maybe iron moth instead for a tspikes absorber though glimm has been falling off anyways

[viral rover]

I was considering Iron Moth or Roaring Moon over one of the mons at first

[hot dome]

I would suggest Rmoon personally

[quaint halo]

https://pokepast.es/98c35812f8eaf711

wanted to share this too

[viral rover]

What targets is Roar for

And like do I go max EVS on speed and Def?

[viral rover]

Do I run just run Roaring Moon Dragon Dance over this

[hot dome]

Yes

[hot dome]

Run the smogon set

[viral rover]

Ah max HP

[viral rover]

Can I put a few points of defense into speed tho if I wanna outspeed more stuff or nah

[hot dome]

You already outspeed the relevant targets

[viral rover]

https://pokepast.es/8bb33300bfb4e855

okay how's this

[hot dome]

Good, probably want expert belt/LO on Darkrai

[low phoenix]

emergency phazing setup sweepers

[viral rover]

Oh yeah

That's something I realised I had trouble with while testing my older team

[novel parcel]

any advice? https://pokepast.es/a891ba4a7e162ee2

[queen saddle]

Max ATK treads isn’t breaking shit, run max speed and HP, use it for utility.
Ogerpon Wellspring hits most of the metagame, if not all, with SD play rough, ivy cudgel, and horn leech/power whip.

I’d use tera ground and scarf Kyurem, seeing how your team would need some more speed control.

Then again, first impression helps a bit.

Js remember Lokix is a cleaner.

[novel parcel]

yeah i put lowkick on there more as an answer to kingambit and any tera steel nonsense but I can do playrough

also i put max attack because i thought itll help vs corvi

my team kinda doesnt have the best answer for it rn

[queen saddle]

Use Low Kick on Lokix if Gambit is that much of a problem, or use Tusk.

[queen saddle]

Lowk, it really doesn’t…

[novel parcel]

i know it does like 30 percent

its so useless

😭

YO

I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING SMART AS HELL

ill use tusk instead of treads

and ill use temper flare

like itll help with defog/stealth rock roost/headlong rush mind games

and itll also hit a goldengho on the switch

they'll never see it coming

question is what item and EVs

[low phoenix]

Scarf Kyurem is a niche set that isn’t exactly the best. And lokix is a breaker/anti offense tool not necessarily a cleaner

[queen saddle]

I like scarf Kyurem, it’s my most used set along with boots.

[low phoenix]

Also no one runs low kick on lokix use a proper kingambit check like great tusk

The best Kyurem sets rn are probably dragon dance and specs rn

[novel parcel]

im loving specs tbh

kills everything

[low phoenix]

It’s not really a breaker in the sense specs is and doesn’t offer much else unlike other scarfers who can pivot or trick

[low phoenix]

I think there might be some spl teams to rip that have specs Kyurem

[novel parcel]

fair enuff

hey someone gimme advice on a great tusk set for my team pls

i wanna use temper flare

[low phoenix]

If not just use this team https://pokepast.es/f6d23af182294e5b

[novel parcel]

but idk about EVs and item

[low phoenix]

It’s old but I think it’s still fine

Temper flare is fine as long as you have another rocker/knock off user

[novel parcel]

I dont need ice spinner

i got another knock off guy but not a rock guy

main idea with temper flare is to deal with corvi

[low phoenix]

Ice spinner helps check opposing tusk/gliscor/dragonite/Lando t

[novel parcel]

yeah but i got good coverage for all those guys

i got two ice moves on kyurem and i got ogerpon wellspring

[low phoenix]

You get chipped with Rocky helmet while Corv just roosts the main reason to use temper flare is to hit gholdengo after a failed rapid spin

[novel parcel]

and surprise value of temper flare seems pretty good ngl

my idea was temper flare plus either EQ or headlong rush and either i hit him on the roost or I miss and hit him for double damage after

[low phoenix]

252 Atk Great Tusk Temper Flare vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 116-138 (29 - 34.5%) -- 4.7% chance to 3HKO

[novel parcel]

also if i got rocks up and he is pressing defog and I press rocks and its all mind games i re-rock i can temper flare next turn

[low phoenix]

Also your team has no pivots to get lokix in safely

[novel parcel]

is that with the the double damage?

[low phoenix]

No

I’m too tired to rate rn so I’ll just leave it to an official rater

Im trying to become an official rater btw lol

[novel parcel]

yeah that does kinda suck about my team but he's mostly been revenge KOing

thanks tho I appreciate it

[sonic venture]

https://pokepast.es/5b0d9bfab11161f6 Gen 9 OU BO team for Single Battles

[unreal sorrel]

https://pokepast.es/919e7314452e8e42 can someone rate?

[rapid agate]

i approve, run this with basculegion and cm raging bolt :)

[rapid agate]

https://pokepast.es/9af988f27af9550c try smth like this (it autoloses to rm but i think you need tempo with an idea like this)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[red crane]

https://pokepast.es/0c974d0d217bb35c
how do i break stall

[alpine hornet]

im gonna be so honest it looks like all of these mons have sets of 4 random moves

i would recommend using a sample until you get an idea of the metagame and what successful cohesive teams should like like

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/602f44b92412a4d7

[fervent inlet]

chat gimme advice on my team

https://pokepast.es/6214f07e83592fcb

[low phoenix]

you sent this team over yesterday

anyways wake > tera water

venusaur > tera fire

tusk > tera steel imo but tera fire should be fine too

wait your team has no pivots

eject button hatterene/slither wing can be slotted over raging bolt/venusaur

[low phoenix]

your team is confused ngl

you have booster crown which is only good on hyper offense

idk why cinderace has flare blitz when it already has a spammable 120bp physical fire move in pyro ball

focus sash pult is ass

tyranitar is only good on dedicated sand teams which are mid in themselves this generation

toxapex is only good on stall/very fat teams

band ogerpon is a fake set

[trail whale]

I recommend learning meta with samples
memester covers issues really well

!gen9ousampleteams

wait

[low phoenix]

?gen9ousampleteams

[trail whale]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[low phoenix]

lol

[faint vortex]

Ok cool, and I should keep it s-rocker?

[trail whale]

yeah

[faint vortex]

Cool thanks

[novel parcel]

is it possible to build a viable spidops team? https://pokepast.es/1304f774847f8d39

[queen saddle]

Try max speed sash, it isn’t living shit. Taunt is nice too.

But without prankster, this thing is useless. It’s only somewhat decent in AAA.

[novel parcel]

It isn’t outspending shit either 😭

[queen saddle]

Just literally praying.

[novel parcel]

Thought I’d give it enough physical bulk to live against most physical leads and try to get a spikes layer and web up

Yeah it’s so garbage but its like the only Pokémon with both web and spikes

[fervent inlet]

i was tired of pyro ball missing lmao

[low phoenix]

Spidops is entirely outclassed by araquanid who has better bulk and a better matchup into the hazard removers

[fervent inlet]

define fake

[fervent inlet]

what would work instead

[low phoenix]

Use a sample team

Your team doesn’t commit to any specific play style

[fervent inlet]

ah

does it have to

[low phoenix]

Yes

[fervent inlet]

Whys that

[low phoenix]

Because pairing a dondozo in a hyper offense team is a momentum sink

And some mons synergize with each other better when committed to a specific play style

[fervent inlet]

alr ty fam

what playstyle would you recommend for me

[fervent inlet]

ok just started trying to make a hyper offense team w/o looking at samples and god damn you were right https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2310348009

like i didnt fully revamp the team but its getting there hopefully so thanks

[low phoenix]

Hyper offense is generally the easiest play style to get into if you’re new into a tier

[fervent inlet]

Ohh yippee

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/a0d79914ba743f23
this is a sample team from smogon and I'm basically asking if the boots on great tusk are better than leftovers

[trail whale]

yeah, this team with Ebelt Zama & Waterpon as the main breakers wants Tusk to have as many opportunities to spin

also AV Gking as backbone

[livid yew]

ok thx

[viral rover]

https://pokepast.es/ce78b7df26ff4568

So I noticed my team was really weak to Fairy so I added Gholdengo back in and got rid of Darkrai

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viral rover]

Someone said for me to use Bulky Nasty Plot for this

[viral rover]

It's still HO btw

[trail whale]

this looks fine at a glance

[viral rover]

Is there anything I should look out for now

[vale wave]

Drought team

It's pretty good

[runic nebula]

This doesn’t look like it’s for OU

Plus most rates only rate complete teams

Well the movesets look like they’re for doubles. If that’s what you’re going for then you should go to a rating channel that goes to doubles

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/e9457fdf519e1a9c

Thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/0bf9c777bc2a5881

also ts

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

What style are you going for, this kind of a mix of everything and doesnt work well.

Scarf Lando + Scarf Ghold feels extremely unecessary, and none of your Pokemon are dedicated to Gterrain so Rillaboom feels super out of it.

Pex is a mon that only really fits on stall/bulky balance because of how much of a momentum sink it is
Corv + Pult seems like a bo core that wants to keep momentum and doesnt mix in well with the rest

Because of this you end up with no Kyurem switch in, no Darkrai switch in or dark resist, shaky Kingambit answers, fold to Specs Pult and even NP Ghold. This would be less of an issue if you could keep momentum throughout the game but Pex + Corv + triple choice mean you'll often be on the backfoot. Its not worth continuing this, recommend choosing a style before building anything

Same for the 2nd one, has similar issues

Id definitely consider samples to learn the meta

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[median fulcrum]

ty

[median fulcrum]

idk what style, the second ones been working for me but as u said it doesnt rly work well tgt

I rly like having toxapex as like a backbone and so far its been working for me and i replaced scarf ghold w a standsard nasty plot set

i use scarf lando cuz it rly throws ppl off and generally ohkos a lot of mons

corv pult idk works

i usualyl deal w kyurem with tox or drag cuz i usually uptsoeed

kingambit i use toxa and ghold i js use toxa too

idk its rly niche but its been working so far

also tysm for the help means a lot

[trail whale]

A guide I follow is

HO - Die with honor, multiple set up sweepers and a dedicated suicide lead to never lose momentum and keep up offensive pressure. https://pokepast.es/e256ab515df2d5de simple easy to use Webs Sample as an example.
Offense - HO with a fast pivot like LandoT or Pecharunt taking the suicide lead's place and being more flexible, can afford to keep Pokemon alive more and run choiced breakers. https://pokepast.es/71865ec953144ad9 A sample team that resembles it pretty well.
Bulky Offense - A soft defensive backbone that includes that keep momentum by pivoting (Pecharunt, Glowking), utility (Ting-Lu, Tinkaton), or Pokemon with offensive pressure (Great Tusk, Kingambit). Wants a set up wincon and a breaker as well. https://pokepast.es/2fdbf6f0be9f8c8d sample example
Balance - Trades momentum for a strong defensive backbone, usually works well with Hstack and runs Boots spam and/or Defog as it wants to play long games with sturdy defensive Pokemon. These will also have a breaker or two that comes in and makes up for the lack of offense. https://pokepast.es/fae92f5d67e42dc3 This Keldeo Sinistcha sample is rlly good at showing what Balance is
Stall - I want to live, purely defensive Pokemon and relying on passive damage to win, this is where you'll see massive momentum sinks like Blissey and Dondozo, https://pokepast.es/5f79ccf1b3607ea3 such as this.

[median fulcrum]

ohh okok tysm ill look thru these now

idk its owrking better with standard gholdengo set

idk i think ill swap rilla cuz as u said it doesnt rly fit

but i do need priority control

toxas been working well w the moveset i put

idk i think i js need to switc out rilla

[trail whale]

I think the issues are that your answers are shaky
Toxapex isnt taking Specs Freeze Dry and if it isnt healthy, cant even switch into Boots Kyurem.
Kingambit also isnt something Toxapex likes switching into, not fast enough to Haze before youre hit with 3 fallen +2 Kowtow.

As for Rillaboom stuff, priority really doesnt matter, its just a nice tool that can cover up for speed control andnot something every team needs.

[median fulcrum]

ur right

i think i might swithc rillaboom out

to answer kyurem and kingambit

idk what tho

maybe iron valiant actually

that might work

[trail whale]

still recommend learning meta w samples, after a few games of understanding the team trust me you'll do better

any help I offer to current team would either keep it sub optimal or a complete overhaul

[median fulcrum]

ohh okt ysm

tysm

[trail whale]

gl and hf with svou!

[median fulcrum]

tysm

u 2

@trail whale wld it be ok if i referred to u when i make a team based arnd what u sent me?

[trail whale]

sure

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/4b2a207f7c31babe

wld this work?

[trail whale]

whatre you trying to build

[median fulcrum]

mixed

bulky mix

thoughts?

[trail whale]

as in balance?

[median fulcrum]

yea

i think it works no?

[trail whale]

Ting-Lu > Rotom-W and Boots Zama > Weavile would be my shout outs. Air Balloon Ghold asw

I dont think balance is good without hazard stack rn, since there are a lot of good breakers that need to be presured with hazards, includes offensive Darkrai, Specs Kyurem, Wellspring. And you lack clear lines into the strongest special attackers like Specs Pult & Iron Moth. So Ting-Lu fits this team.

Zamazenta provides speed control so it lets you run a good item on Gholdengo, and Weavile doesnt have a very good job here with Gliscor on the team. AoA Zama also helps with breaking power. Idk about using Tink after adding Balloon Ghold and Zamazenta but shouldn't be a big deal.

[median fulcrum]

okok tyms

ill try to make more lik

e

viable teams

ur act goated tysm

[trail whale]

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/2cc44dd4cd4c6b11

@trail whale look at this

fun fujn team

[trail whale]

should be doing boots spam without Garg

[median fulcrum]

so replace garg?

[trail whale]

Mhm, also stuff like CM Blissey but I have very little knowledge on stall
@hot dome whenever youre free

[hot dome]

unfortunately this is a sample angle

ill go more in-depth later

[clever rover]

Black belt toxapex

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/cb59d93244f00a1d
relatively new to teambuilding and was wondering how i could improve this team

[median fulcrum]

ok ty

[hot dome]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

the issue with building cg stall is that its really restrictive, due to the amount of threats you have to handle

you need boots spam, you need blissey, you need knock absorber, you need fat physical walls, etc

this team has a lot of both unviable sets (black belt pex, spikeless facade gliscor) but fails to cover a lot of the matchups

Gholdengo, Knock users, Wellspring, etc

[median fulcrum]

@trail whale i made a team cld u rate

[median fulcrum]

owhh ok

[hot dome]

I would reocmmend you look at the stall teams listed in the sample teams, as they are good exaples of how to build stall this gen

You also seem really new to the tier, so i would recommend using some sample teams first to learn the tier before building

Building with a lack of knowledge never ends well

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/de90dd2a6194e34f

bulky offense

[median fulcrum]

yea

i js made a bulky offense based off

it

[hot dome]

ngl, we appreicate the enthusiasm ,but none of these teams are viable

here you dont even haev a set for pex

[median fulcrum]

oh mb

[hot dome]

no matter how many teams you build and how much feedbzck we give you wont end up with a good team if you just keep building and not actually playing and learning the tier

[median fulcrum]

i did

im on 1.4k

idk ur rihgt tho

ll learn the tier

[median fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/58cc1da50eb2314e

this been working well so far

[low phoenix]

you have too many choiced mons for my comfort

also these arent the best sets

You should watch some YouTube videos if you really wanna learn how to build pinkacross is a good start

Think about it this way if you put a Pokémon into a team slot you should be able to explain it’s value proposition (what it does for your team and how it synergizes with other mons at a fundamental level)

[low phoenix]

Gliscor and ammongus feel like momentum sinks for this team

Gliscor > offensive tusk for a spinner stealth rock and kingambit check

Amoongus > slowking g for a fairy check

Change dragapult to specs pult and zapdos to its smogon set

[dire osprey]

https://pokepast.es/fd797392ca5e533b
my take at a balance team with keldeo, any advice? it seems decently solid for what i've seen, but i'm not sure about dragapult in here (which is fine but i feel like there could be better options) and maybe ting lu

[low phoenix]

is cm keldeo your sweeper/wincon

apart from weavile

[dire osprey]

kinda both tbh, but i find myself teraing on keldeo more often than not

[trail whale]

As silly as it is Id say Spikes Scor > Ting-Lu and Boots Rocks Garg > Glowking.

Lack a Knock absorber despite boots spam, but switching out Ting-Lu makes you very weak to Specs Pult, and switching out Gking means you lose things like a mixed Val switch in and safer lines into Pecha. This is the combination that seems best as it also gives you a nice hazard stack core with Pecha alongside covering for previous issues.

Id also probably recommend Flip Turn > CM on Keldeo, you already have a wincon so Keldeo would do better as an aggressive pivot.

[lethal violet]

yo this is the first team ive been able to take to upper 1700s even tho i just slapped together a bunch of mons i see on spikes stack teams 😭 been rly enjoying it so far but if anyone has any tips to improve it id appreciate it https://pokepast.es/c22d808e94f9c3bc

[regal ginkgo]

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[echo rampart]

i would love to click earthquake vs this team

i am curious as to how you've been managing opposing hazard stack

personally I'd replace one of Wake or Ogerpon with some kind of hazard control

[lethal violet]

u think i can fit tusk over one of them? or maybe a corv idk

[trail whale]

I agree that Wake + Pon is pretty uneccesary,
Corv seems like a good addition over one of them, you dont seem to be commited to hstack anyway (less boots, no rocks). Can also switch out Garg for a breaker in that route, since youd have up to 3 pivots and Corv becomes the Pecharunt switch in you lacked.

[lethal violet]

ic, curse garg has just been autowinning a bunch of matchups for me but i also sometimes just never end up using it vs more offensive teams so i could def change it for something else, what do yall think would fit?

i also decided to use boots darkrai over wake for the better speed tier and wisp cuz gambit ogerpon and valiant w/o booster been on my ass (https://pokepast.es/98953f8162ab5104)

[elder knoll]

Having Pech and Corv might be redundant

they’re both slow bulky pivots

If you’re not committed to the H-stack what I personally would do is:
put rocks on Lu, Geezing over Pech, CB on Zama, and maybe go for a NP Kai

Geezing helps with the matchup into H-Stack and provides more reliable removal so you can drop boots

the matchup into Kyu would be rough though without Tera

[trail whale]

surely Zama is doing that pre well

[trail whale]

Pecha has a decent speed tier and having multiple Pokemon that play similar is very fine if they check different things.

[lethal violet]

tru but i feel like zama just switches in on them and takes a hit and they switch out and i get nothing from it is all

[trail whale]

would the same not apply for darkrai
theyre switching out when threatened

[lethal violet]

yeah ur right but at least i don't have to switch out with darkrai vs them is what i was thinking ig

my bad

[trail whale]

wdym

[lethal violet]

i mean i always ended up losing to faster teams since the only guy over 350 speed was zama and he can't switch in much

so i'd have wake out and they'd switch ogerpon in on surf or with a slow pivot and id lose after a few cycles

i was thinking darkrai isn't threatened out as much by them is all

idk im not good that was just my thought process 😭

[low phoenix]

you have zam and ting your darkrai matchup is fine

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/0f4a390f43c0fadd

[tawny olive]

https://pokepast.es/bf018af867eea866

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

id make zap tera grass for pon, lati cm over shadow ball and maybe psynoise over luster, scor tox over turn, as i dont think this 6 needs the extra pivot, and also make treads boots

otherwise looks fine

[alpine hornet]

u forgot teras first of all, lucha should be fire, bolt should be poison here lowk, and crown should be fight or water as well

id also make crown tachyon over agil here honestly, probably encore over sub on lucha, knock over sp on rilla, and low kick over sp on rockpon

other than that looks fine, mu into a few special threats (moth, ival) is a little rough but preserving lucha should be enough

[cold cosmos]

i made lucha tera ground encore, bolt tera fairy, crown tera fight in the second version. i made bolt dragon pulse. made rilla drain punch but i can go knock. i can defo try lowkick, yeah.

alright

[broken fog]

https://pokepast.es/cb0abc72d571b94e

Is this alright in the current meta?

Maybe good even?

[low phoenix]

Looks fine

Gren Tera can be ghost/ground

[queen saddle]

No MIR on Ghold?

And hydro is bold on Gren.

I’d always use surf.

[low phoenix]

Hydro is ok on Gren if you really want extra power

No MIR Ghold is fine but in this specific team thinking about it it would be very good as I don’t see any other reliable way to deal with fairies and without Ghold you get goobed hard by them

[proper citrus]

https://pokepast.es/60b3404648bf8061

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

Encore > Dbond on Val but yeah

[crude shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/9cad2bdb49ddaf63
Glimmora 2hkos Phys Def Corviknight with power gem.
Sandy shocks go brrr (also faster than 252+ great tusk by 1 point so yeah)
224+ Speed Dragapult outspeeds 252+ Zama, 32 sp. Atk is leftovers for shadow ball (I’d die before using phantom force)
184+ speed weavile outspeeds 252+ Ival plus has enough defense to survive +1 252+ Atk dragonite earthquake.
I just grabbed a random Ival set from my head and said “this will do.”

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/dfc0b08c936daf7d yes ik the val set looks ridiculous i was trying to innovate

[barren ridge]

Use the sample teams found in #1024432517077540904 and this isn’t the channel to ask for teams. Ask in #comp-general

[trail whale]

This knda suffers from bad pokemon/sets, Lorb Glimmora is far too slow and inconsistent to break or sweep
Sandy Shocks is a slow breaker that gives Ting-Lu, Gliscor, and many others free turns without offering much, which is especially bad when Corviknight is your only defensive backbone
The last 3 are an overdose of speed control, and not great ones at that. Boots Pult is weak and hence better at wisp spam on bulky structures that allow it to overwhelm checks overtime and Scarf Weavile is both weak and rocks weak. Val set is fine at breaking ig but rest of the team is very messy.

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[trail whale]

highly recommend using them to better learn the meta before building

[trail whale]

Unfortunately Shadow Sneak is not damaging the ghost types and you'll notice using smth like Knock won't get you far vs opposing fast mons. Idt SD Reversal is worth explporing because Tusk always runs helmet and Val doesn't have the boosting to make up for it.

I'll say tho you can honestly run standard SD Val here tho, helps break a Ting-Lu + Pecharunt core which currently owns all of your sweepers.

[narrow crest]

yeah i was kinda gimmicking but i have seen success with endure sd over dbond sd with booster

also hits clear body pult

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/fab5aeba72f68275
what can i do to improve this team, i was thinking of switching someone to a faster pokemon but im not sure

[proper citrus]

great tusk+moltres+ slowking might be a bit passive, specially since your dmg mons are pretty slow and use setup move each

[tacit bluff]

We appreciate you trying to help but refrain from giving advice if you're not too experienced, this is a relatively standard core which isn't really passive at all

It has kingambit Ogerpon and raging bolt, all 3 of which are incredibly threatening

[tacit bluff]

Speed shouldn't be the biggest issue here, you have two forms of priority, but if you're rly concerned about it you could slot pecharunt over galarian slowking, it's not blazing fast but it carries a much faster pivot which notably gets the jump on great tusk it also allows your slower sweepers to come in with less fear since parting shot helps your hit taking capacity

I'd also get rid of u turn on Ogerpon, you're a swords dance set, you don't wanna pivot out

Encore is good here

Or play rough if you're concerned about kyurem

[trail whale]

I had the opposite rate built

Zama/Pult > Bolt & Knock > SD on Pon
along with headlong rush tusk and items

[tacit bluff]

I was initially gonna say pult over moltres but then this team is terrible into specs kyurem

Oh I didn't notice eq tusk

[trail whale]

Great Tusk should also be Headlong Rush thanks to its important calcs such as 2HKOing Defensive Pecha and threatening Bulky Ghold better, 81-96 vs 68-80. Also just rolls with everything else, the defense drops are very acceptable.

Rocky Helmet and Leftovers are probably more valuable on Great Tusk & Kingambit respectively, helps them with their defensive profile and enables more outs.

Moltres should also be Bold > Impish, you're valuing the damage of Fthrower more

[tacit bluff]

Ye headlong rush is better

[trail whale]

the 2nd part of what I typed

[frail hull]

https://pokepast.es/44473dd79bf7d07c is this a good team if not any recommendations?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This is half manaphy webs half sun and those two don't synergize well with each other

You're playing around your own manaphy to use your sun mode and you only have 2 sun abusers

I'd either make this all sun or all webs

[frail hull]

What should i do to make it more for manaphy?

[tacit bluff]

Just stack a bunch of HO mons that appreciate webs, like booster raging bolt, nasty plot gholdengo, you can also make great tusk booster bulk up if you want darkrai, kingambit, etc

You wanna abuse the fact that your opponent has lowered speed to plough through them with otherwise not super speedy mons

[frail hull]

Also another issue i seem to have is the webs disappear sometimes but i don't see them use rapid spin so im not sure what happened

[tacit bluff]

Ok that I'm not too sure

As in the webs just leave the field or they're not effected by webs

[frail hull]

It's happened a few games

Webs leave the field

Maybe they used rapid and i wasn't paying attention but im confused

[tacit bluff]

That shouldn't happen without rapid spin tidy up or defog

Boots pokemon would ignore the webs which is why you'd like a knock off user or two

But aside from that you shouldn't see them removed

[frail hull]

Ok

Do you think a good replacement for torkoal and ceruledge would be maybe a Clefable with baton pass and a raging bolt?

@tacit bluff

[trail whale]

Baton Pass is banned and Clefable wouldnt be good on webs

[frail hull]

Not sure what to have in its place then

Id need something for more psychic coverage i think or ground even

[trail whale]

Waterpon, Rmoon, SD Val, are some noteworthy knockers

[frail hull]

Sd Val?

[trail whale]

Swords Dance Iron Valiant

[frail hull]

Gotcha

[trail whale]

ig Mixed also works for Knock

[frail hull]

https://pokepast.es/ff3e39194f3f552c

Would you say this is better?

[trail whale]

Dragon Dance Roaring Moon and Booster Speed Bulk Up Tusk
Tail Glow Mana should also be Energy Ball > Sub.

[frail hull]

Ok what would i change for dragon dance

Or is there a build to look up

[regal ginkgo]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/roaring-moon/

[trail whale]

ftr this is all for the gen9ou metagame

[frail hull]

Thanks

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/220c1e0edaade54f

sometimes it works,but other times I get destroyed

[tacit bluff]

you forgor the item on glowking btw

[low phoenix]

your team is weak to darkrai

horn leech > power whip on ogerpon imo and sd > u-turn

[livid yew]

oh

[livid yew]

okay will change that

[low phoenix]

iron valiant > zapdos for a ground immunity and wogerpon check

toxic > thunder wave cuz lots of steels and poisons running around rn especially pecharunt

knock off > stealth rock on tusk

hdb dragapult > choice specs imo

darkrai > kingambit

give hdb to gking

that will be your main pivot

[livid yew]

yeah I totally forgot abt it

[low phoenix]

all g

[livid yew]

thanks for the changes

[low phoenix]

you are welcome

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/afad9707153ca5f6

Scarf lando + boots tealpon because fuck HO

Anything other than the two is welcome to changes.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten crescent]

https://pokepast.es/ac777f4baa07abd3 i dont know if this is good or not

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

Not great, lacks a lot of important things like a ground and electric immunity, and a way to fight off physical attackers.
Sash Ceruledge is a strictly Hyper Offense Pokemon and Quaquaval's just bad.
Garg loses so much without lefties
Tinkaton + Iron Crown help beat Kyurem but their rolls absolutely overlap

This way you are 6-0d by Waterpon, Great Tusk, Raging Bolt, SD Iron Valiant, Walking Wake in sun, and even mons like DD Dnite. Highly recommend learning the meta with a sample team first

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[trail whale]

Noticed that you made this Pon pivot which makes it easier to rate
I think last 3 spots kinda overdo it for speed control and make you miss out on notable things.

Id run AV Hamurott over Iron Valiant to give you Spikes and a better Gholdengo & Specs Dragapult match-up, you already have Knock Off Ogerpon and a spinblocker after all.

[faint vortex]

Hey everyone, looking to use Darkrai more and built this team inspired by a couple of teams I've seen around. Any feedback is greatly appreciated https://pokepast.es/a89fcf02a891a219

[clever rover]

Alrighty! I do wonder whether if I should run infiltrator or clear body on pult tho, the ladder spams the daylights out of webs HO and I am indecisive.

[trail whale]

Honestly whatever
if Tealpon + Scarf Lando doesnt feel enough for webs ho, then feel free to run Clear Body

[clever rover]

Alr

[covert saffron]

https://pokepast.es/c780d5b2fe1b7f5b
I don't really know ev spreads or tera types, so i kinda just threw on the smogon suggested ones. Any help with this team? doing decent on ladder, just wondering whether i should add knock off somewhere, as it's usually great utility. I also don't really know how to deal with status, as I'm not much of a fan of taking toxic from gliscor, can't stop twave, and getting burnt is never that fun.

[fossil knoll]

ALWAYS try to get knock off on atleast one/two oc your mons unless you're using a very specific team

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/795c1301e90ad3c0

This grassy terrain grafaiai unburden team

so my Idea is that grafaiai can cheese incoming great tusk or generally any ground type/ground type user by tera swords dance then encore for more swords dance then sweep

weakness is gholdengo but can be killed by Iron Moth or +6 sd if not bulky build

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine hornet]

unfortunately if you are going to use a tera dependent encore sd unburden abuser hawlucha far outclasses grafaiai in this role, so I would recommend that change

aiai struggles in that any set with two moves it picks either cant hit balloon ghold or balloon gambit

other than that i would make rmoon brick break as eq is nerfed by gterrain and also dnite is redundant here especially with that set, id replace it with something that does better into kyurem such as iron crown

grassy seed or booster speed cm would both be good here

[trail whale]

Tbh Id still suggest AV so Fsight gives you something to use against Stall
and not a big fan of non-Band Rilla in general, far less forcing and your Pokemon arent in dire need of long gterrain

[low phoenix]

Your team is weak to fairies, mola > gking for a a reliable switch in into fairy attacks

Specs Kyu is good but imo you need to absolutely build around it as it is so weak to hazards and appreciates pivot support to not get constantly chipped so Kyurem > pivot waterpon

Hdb Dragapult > specs

Imo Tera fire on great tusk for burn immune

[low phoenix]

Team looks Kyurem weak

Hmm

[low phoenix]

Chomp > kingambit

Sinistcha > pecharunt

Knock off > stealth rock on tusk

[frail hull]

https://pokepast.es/aa2174ca27391267

[frail hull]

Any recommendations

[frail hull]

I want to switch out zapdos or atleast better it's moveset just not sure what to do so far

[covert saffron]

I am running poison tera on Mola for that reason, but gking is probably better ur right

[fossil knoll]

is there a commands channel?

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

rain without skewda and treads just aint it
swap out zapdos for banded skewda, hatterene for treads
Honestly not really sure ogerpon/manaphy fits well here, you've got two relatively slow breakers competing for the same slot, i would recomemnd dropping one for dnite as a wogerpon check and speed control in its own right

[frail hull]

wdym slow breakers?

[hot dome]

wogerpon and manaphy effectively cover the same role: two powerful, but relatively slow offensive threats that are meant to break through defensive teams, but may fall prey to revenge killers more easily

(due to their lack of speed boosting)

especally since both are prone to opposing wogerpons, who is a major threat to rain in general, its best to swap one out for a wogerpon check + speed control

dnite covers that role well + can phase depedning on the set or act as another sweeper/cleaner

as opposed to skewda, who is very powerful under rain but can sometiems struggle to pick up kills once its gone

[frail hull]

mine have been outspeeding most mons i been fighting especially manaphy

[hot dome]

100 base speed is not a "fast" speed tier anymore

[frail hull]

im just saying it has been outspeeding most mons i encounter

[hot dome]

it outspeeds the defensive walsl: but that's all mons

and those arne't real threats to the breakers anyways, besides walling them out (which they struggle to do, since the whole point of them is acting as a defenisve wall buster)

however, on the offensive side, both are very prone to being outsped

either through priority, items, or just raw speed

they are relatively slow in that regard, and you do not need 3 breakers on a rain team

[frail hull]

id mainly like to keep manaphy then

[hot dome]

ok then drop wogerpon

[frail hull]

i just dont really know treads i feel like i always get outsped when i use it

and my hatterene is my lead for magic bounce

[hot dome]

treads is a really good spinner, rocker, and can pivot and check raging bolt to boot

its traits are nigh invaluable to rain teams, especially as a check since raging bolt has the tendency to run over rain teams otherwise

[frail hull]

i just feel like theres better replacements for ogerpon and zapdos

[hot dome]

if you don't want to listen to the adivec that's chill but then im not really sure why you came to this channel

there's not really many other options for rain

[frail hull]

im just saying in my experience treads and tusk dont do anything for me idk if maybe i just play them wrong but they gain 0 value

they get killed by lots of mons im fighting currently

[hot dome]

ok well you aren't going to be running tusk so

and idk what mons you're fighting currently

a well piloted treads should give a lot of value to rain teams

[frail hull]

ill try it out but idk what i would swap for?

[hot dome]

like i said

swap out zapdos and hatteren for treads and barreskewda

and ogerpon wellspring for draognite

[frail hull]

atk or spa for treads?

nvm

found it

[faint vortex]

I have been using gambit quite a lot on other teams and have grown tired of it, same with pech. Are there other mons I can use instead that check kyurem?

[low phoenix]

Kingambit gives your team a darkrai switchin which your team currently lacks

But other Kyurem checks include tinkaton iron crown iron valiant dragapult primarina etc with varying degrees of effectiveness

[tawny linden]

hello! im trying to make a Volt-Turn BO Band Weavile team
https://pokepast.es/fa9b673b3952d514

• weavile is the team leader
• glowking lures and pivots with chilly
• samurott is a good check for a lot of special attackers that beat glowking like ghold
• val benefits from weaviles wallbreaking
• zapdos and lando makes the voltturn and checks a lot of stuff
  looking for some optimizations (moves, EVs, tera types), im curious on the different perspectives on the team, i realise that i have no hazard removal and rely on opponent defogs 💀 (mostly zapdos and lando im thinking of trying to optimize or replace, because the other 4 are extremely good carrys so far to the team, a lot of the games end with encore cm val sweeping

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/8ba9f430e1e60091

[tacit bluff]

The idea is solid here although yeah no hazard removal is dire and severely compomises the idea of volt turn, especially pokes such as band weavile which do not appreciate hazards at all

I'd also say relying on opposing defog is unreliable, as there's only 2 relevant defog users in the tier being corv and gweezing, the former doesn't even run defog all the time.

I'd argue you actually have too many pivots, you can definitely make Lando a rapid spin tusk instead, alternatively you could go with court change but then I'd drop hamurott for something else, maybe boots attacker darkrai

Or Ogerpon

[tawny linden]

ill experiment with spin tusk, because i actually do like the spikestacking and backup priority of hamurott

and yeah i think theres too many pivots with flip turn + chilly + volt

although bringing tusk is a 4 mon fairy weak AKA swept by valiant that brings knock off

wonder how i should fix that

[tacit bluff]

You do have glowking as your fairy resist

Physical val can dent you kinda hard but if you scout out the fact that it's physical then it might actually lose to tusk

It depends on spirit break or not

[tawny linden]

true

[tacit bluff]

Which even then isn't an ohko

[tawny linden]

fat tusk could beat phys val

thinking about boots spin tusk

max hp/speed, headling+spinner, thinking between cc or rocks so weavile has the strongest knock off

wait what the hell why does oger have spikes

[tacit bluff]

oger has just about everything

don't run spikes on oger tho lol

[tawny linden]

but what should be my spiker tho

[tacit bluff]

fat tusk can slot rocks

[tawny linden]

true enough

[frail hull]

https://pokepast.es/2104f1c3dfc4f85f got this built around yesterday was wondering if you guys have any suggestions

[trail whale]

Highly recommend learning from samples, some choices here suggest youre not well versed on the metagame
Yache Berry Zapdos and Focus Sash Kingambit are terrible item choices even without taking into account hazards.
Roost is not legal on Pelipper in SV, and if this is a natdex team, Id have even more concerns
Doesnt answer the main reasons rain sucks rn, like Waterpon and Kyurem

[silent hemlock]

What do u even do to deal with those on rain im curious

[frail hull]

I was experimenting with the held items realized Gambit doesn't tend to get one shot so i know i gotta take that off i just don't know what i should give zapdos

[silent hemlock]

Probably not much since rain sucks

[trail whale]

Pretty much always Heavy Duty Boots

[frail hull]

Would a fighting type resist berry be good for Gambit?

Chople

[trail whale]

Raging Bolt and your own Kyurem are some good adds
then you try and slot in temp Kyurem switch ins like balloon steel to keep momentum

[trail whale]

Lefties/Air Balloon are my recs on rain
but highly recommend just using samples

[silent hemlock]

Is play rough oger just gg then

[trail whale]

prolly

[tawny olive]

https://pokepast.es/ad7e598014555fe0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[alpine furnace]

I cant believe 110 is relatively slow for a breaker in gen 8

Gen 9*

[faint vortex]

Ok of these, who also helps with darkrai?

I understand Gambit is good for both rai and kyurem, but I'd really rather not use it

Also those two blow up Gambit with the right move