SV OU Rates

[tacit bluff]

you want some offensive pressure

and gholdengo is good and all but certainly not enough on its own

[alpine furnace]

Keep its evs the same or run a bulkier set? Also is airballoon ghold a keep or should I run scarf for speed control.

https://pokepast.es/748a17362d9e2553

[tacit bluff]

scarf ghold would be solid here yeah

oh and make tusk knock off

bootspam is annoying

[alpine furnace]

Knock > stealth rock

[tacit bluff]

I was thinking over spinner tbh

if you wanna keep the rocks

plus you beat gholdengo more easily which would be a nuisance for your primary spinblocker

yeah lando becomes a much worse MU but you have means to deal with lando

[grizzled cave]

Bumping this as still looking for feedback

[alpine furnace]

https://pokepast.es/d4b076fbc5bb378a

Also yeah lando doesnt wanna tank a make it rain and while dragon pulse doesnt 2 hit ko, taking 1/3rd isnt fun either. The ogerpon just nearly ohkos

[tacit bluff]

this is ok-ish but the tusk set is kinda odd cause without headlong rush you're just straight up not checking so many things letting bulkier ghold spreads and raging bolt pull a fast one on you sucks

also ur missing 4 Evs on it

gholds spread is rly weird especially for nasty plot without recover so I'd make it max speed max spa

then this becomes kinda BO? I'd make tusk offensive utility or even bulk up rather than a rocker tho but its fine

and again, forgor 4 evs on zapdos

[grizzled cave]

Oh lol thanks, yeah I wasn’t sure what to put with tusk I mainly put in headlong cuz I didn’t have much fighting coverage

The 4 Evs is something I always forge

[tacit bluff]

eh fighting hits a lot of the things ground already hits

but ghost is immune instead of flying

which yeah has some trade offs but again hitting gholdengo vs not hitting gholdengo is p important

yeah knock deals a fair bit but it doesn't ohko and some ghold run recover

then its just kinda an oopsie

[grizzled cave]

Yeah plus some ghold run balloon so a knock off wouldn’t have really mattered

So I see ur point

For ghold should I just change the spread?

[tacit bluff]

yeah max speed max spa

ghold is already kinda slow so you want every speed point you can get

[grizzled cave]

Ah ok noted

What about Moltres over Zapdos?

I already have good ways to beat fighting and steel

So I don’t think I should swap

[tacit bluff]

moltres would make your ogerpon wellspring MU much tougher imo

[gritty cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/b58c1d6bc349c166

any changes that need to be made?

[grizzled cave]

ohh? How so if u dont mind elaboarting?

[grizzled cave]

also what does BO mean?

and If I get rid of rocks on tusk, should I give it to ting-lu. I dont think so because I feel like ting-lu is tanky enough where it can spam spikes and get more hazards and more daamge

[alpine furnace]

Bulky offense, its typically filled with mons that can both tank and dish out hits such as great tusk, Zamazenta, raging bolt, kingambit, landorous, galarian slowking, and more

[grizzled cave]

ahh ok

thx

what about MU?

[runic nebula]

Matchup, how well you can reasonably manage a certain Mon or team/teamstyle

[grizzled cave]

ah ok thanks!

[alpine hornet]

this looks fine tbh, though I would definitely drop clef for pex here

248/136+/124 defenses, tox bunker haze recover

tera steel

also bliss should be toss over sball here, u have clod for dengo

actually also make bliss tect over cm and pex tspikes over bunker while ur at it

and make clod pjab/bulldoze over tox

[gritty cosmos]

Ty

[gritty cosmos]

stall bible?

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/e6b792d1f91cc0e6 im going to hell for this one

[alpine furnace]

Keep that slowking alive with your life because otherwise scarf/booster iron val will run rampant infact...sd iron val might already rub rampant

E speed might be enough to revenger kill

[narrow crest]

was heavily considering lando over tusk

[alpine furnace]

Honestly im confused as to why your using scarf tusk over like scarf darkrai

[narrow crest]

idk i was goofing off but its been working

[trail whale]

This looks like an ho with Scarf Tusk and Glowking slapped there for no reason. Ival and your priority already provide speed control, and Glowking seems overwhelmed as the only defensive pokemon to fall back on.

[narrow crest]

maybe lando over tusk?

or just like a non scarf set

[empty verge]

I think you need to decide what type of team style you are going for

It’s hard to tell currently as most of this looks like it wants to be hyper offense but then there is a slowking

[earnest scroll]

https://pokepast.es/0dfb8aedec29fdab thoughts? tried building around banded lando and its working well for me so far, but im a bit iffy on whether the hoopa should be there and if so what its set should be

[tacit bluff]

3 choiced mons is way too overkill

Especially when 2 of them aren't rly good

Hoopa U is usually AV not scarf, since it doesn't really want to lock into a move

And also it's not that fast even with scarf thanks to the booster mons and better scarfers, it's a solid wallbreaker with AV since it has the coverage to smack everything for good damage

Banded Lando is an idea but it's not being complimented well here

The strange thing about this team is that you have 3 breakers and if you really wanna count alo that's 4 but no proper sweepers

And since 3 are choiced you're prone to losing momentum

[earnest scroll]

idea is that alo absorbs that momentum loss and slowturns out but yea it has sometimes been a problem

[earnest scroll]

kinda of just wanted some kind of speed control and threw it in as an afterthought, what would you recommend instead?

deo-s just came to my mind, maybe thats better?

[tacit bluff]

Methinks hoopa isn't necessary here, it's very strong but if you wanna keep banded Lando as a breaker then it's not really needed, mixed booster val seems solid here, for speed control

Scarfrai is also an option

But if you do that kyurem should definitely not be specs

And idt cinderace is necessary here either, iron moth or crown could be alright, or even calm mind enam to add another sweeper

But that's only if you don't use iron valiant

Or actually hmmm

You don't actually have any hazards of your own so maybe cinderace could stay and tusk could be boots zama instead

[earnest scroll]

i have rocks on tusk but seems interesting

[tacit bluff]

Oop didn't see that

[earnest scroll]

wanted to double down on hazard removal bc of how much the team hates rocks but yea maybe unnecessary

[tacit bluff]

Unfortunately I'm kinda busy rn but there can be two versions of this team I feel, one that's a more aggressive hazard offence or one that's more akin to bulky offence with cinderace for the hazard control

[earnest scroll]

ok thanks for the input

[tacit bluff]

And you wanna pair Lando with a few good sweepers and pivots so you can try to exploit band to the fullest

Cause banded Lando hurts

But is tough to use

[earnest scroll]

oh yea what do you think about this btw?

deo-s i mean

kinda reluctant on val bc of the temporary nature of booster

was thinking lo mixed could be solid

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken fog]

Team has done alright so far but I am unsure if there's any mons that are outclassed or moves or teras I should be using in this current meta or what.

Please feel free to ping me if responding to this btw.

https://pokepast.es/b6d75da243e03f2e

Quick update mb

[trail whale]

You really need something to not autolose to Waterpon

[broken fog]

I had Sludge Wave on Gren but in a match I fought one they went tera water and Barreskewda saved me with CC.

[trail whale]

smth like Raging Bolt over Hrott seems most consistent
just so you can actually switch in and feel safer about clicking your strong water moves

[broken fog]

Alright.

I can use Thunder with that too so with a booster energy that must hit hard. Also it would tank everything Oger can use.

I think that could be cool.

Speed is lost but priority is gained too.

Plus Raging is more bulky.

[trail whale]

seems okay with booster treads and swift swim skewda

[broken fog]

Oh wait weather ball.

[tacit bluff]

Deo s is fine but doesn't have near the breaking power of valiant

[broken fog]

Ooooo

Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Thunderclap
• Weather Ball
• Thunder

How is this Raging Bolt set?

[narrow crest]

was originally thinking more bo but it kinda fell outta that

[low phoenix]

Are you building a rain team?

Set looks fine if so

[broken fog]

I swapped CM for Draco Meteor.

Also yes.

[low phoenix]

Keep calm mind

Raging bolt likes being able to boost and bolster its power/special bulk even more

[broken fog]

But your using a rain turn though.

Wouldn't just more coverage and fire power be better? Once rain is gone Thunder can miss and Weather Ball stops being good.

[hot dome]

this link is broken

[broken fog]

Mb I did control v twice.

[low phoenix]

The increased pressure you force with raging bolt is worth the extra turn

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/323cee1eae37c089

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

Hey memester, the best team I’ve made that has worked for me is this. It’s a bulky offense with banded Zama for immediate pressure that some of my team lacks.

I have 2 cores in fire water grass and steel flying ground. Kyurem is just a great pivot which can threaten slower mons (other than Glowking).

And Skeledirge is truly incredible. I’ve done many matches, and unaware is such a good ability and burning the enemy along with it is great.

[low phoenix]

use pokepaste please

its easier to look at than a picure

picture

[low phoenix]

I feel like Kyurem can become booster raging bolt

You already have waterpon + corviknight check the grounds

And hdb Kyurem is not my favorite Kyurem set rn

Also raging bolt gives your team a priority option which helps with your speed

Skeledirge isn’t the best Mon rn grounds darks ghosts and waters dominate the meta and force skeledirge in a bad positon very often but you have zama Corv waterpon Lu so i think it’s fine on your specific team

I don’t think you need band zamazenta you can try another set like expert belt or life orb to still have more power

Zama should be using stone edge and heavy slam not wild charge/iron head

[queen saddle]

Wild charge for the waters (fuck off Corvi) and iron head (changed to heavy slam) for fairies.

Stone edge makes sense, but I already miss so many will-o-wisps and ruinations…

[queen saddle]

Also this sounds like an incredible choice tbh. Kyurem is a really good mon, but this sounds nice.

Tried fitting Dirge on other teams, but you’re right. On my specific team, Dirge has all the tools I need from it.

Expert and orb is cool, but I’ll stick to band just for now. Changing it later if I see that it suits me more.

Actually, Raging Bolt solves my limited Corv options.
Wild charge still doesn’t hit extremely hard on a phys def Corvi, and Skeledirge is slower most of the time. They can then heal up and swap out before I can hit it.

So I could change wild charge for stone edge/ice fang for Gliscor/Lando-T.

Thanks bro!

[low phoenix]

good luck laddering!

[echo rampart]

ngl you’re not doing much to corvi anyway, with helmet and recoil asw youre better off using other mons to deal with corv

[clear axle]

RMT? https://pokepast.es/adc4e686172f47a1

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/00c79710e7754fdc variation of the team i made the other day

[hot dome]

You have 5 valiant weak mons and Lando

If you want to have a pivot on this team I’d honestly run Pecharunt instead of Lando here (and maybe swap out dnite for tblast rmoon for some more power but that’s stretching it)

Also Tera poison Darkrai over Tera ghost

[narrow crest]

just spikes no rocks should be fine?

or maybe we can take a bo route here perhaps?

[low phoenix]

Rocks over spikes

Rocks hit everyone

[hot dome]

Eh spikes no rock is fine

[low phoenix]

Oh

What about flying types then?

[hot dome]

None of em go without boots anyways

[low phoenix]

Oh

I guess you need something like raging bolt to compensate then

[narrow crest]

bolt over dnite?

[hot dome]

? Why

[hot dome]

No you’re fine

[low phoenix]

To deal with flying types

I was just guessing

[hot dome]

No flying type walls this team to the extent that you need a counter

Moth maybe over Zama if you don’t like your corv mu but Darkrai should handle it fine

[low phoenix]

Fair

I’m accustomed to putting rocks on pretty much every team I make so

[empty verge]

Every team that has a knocker should also have a rocker imo

I think spikes no rocks is fine if you are running ace

You could do it but it’s annoying to use to me

[broken fog]

https://pokepast.es/cfb2c54b88219f42

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken fog]

So far I have only lost with this team.

I should prlly stick to building Gren stuff shouldn't I? 😭

[echo rampart]

av zama '-'

[queen saddle]

What do you think of AV Bolt?

Modest, maxed out sp. atk. Just a decent special wall with 56 speed to outspeed an adamant, max speed Gambit.

[glad dome]

No expert or anything, but if your goal is supreme overload + swords dance, could you maybe get away with para spam or sticky web to allow for a better sweep without sucker punch?

[tacit bluff]

Gonna be so honest with you, kingambit without sucker punch is a significantly worse kingambit

[queen saddle]

He has 2 fuckin speed demons, 2 tanks with regen to swap out to. One special and one physical. He has a rocker, and he has an end game sweeper.

It’s a crazy team I’m seeing from the guy.

No webs aren’t needed, at all.

[queen saddle]

Might place discharge over t-bolt for para chance.

[hot dome]

Please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

[low phoenix]

Assault Vest Bolt was used by Pinkacross on that one band talonflame team he made so I think its a niche but usable set

you are better off using booster cm though most of the time

[glad dome]

@hot dome my apologies

[queen saddle]

Used it twice or thrice already on other teams, pretty nice sp. def tank. Big HP is silly.

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/6f3f9f14b239a4fe

can you give me advice on how to improve it please

[hot dome]

this team is pretty awkwardly split between bulky offense, hyper offense, and balance

on one hand you've got meow and boots bulky ghold, which leans into a balance style

but then the rest of your team is more offensive with specs kyurem and cinderace, who may be decent balance picks, but certainly not with the rest of the team

and lastly you also have the ho pick of bu tusk

pick a style and dedicate to it: the current split just weakens your team

[livid yew]

thanks I'll see what I can do

[queen saddle]

https://pokepast.es/eea1c48dfb6d58c9
So, I’m mainly confident about this team. But, I need thoughts on two things.
I’m using tera steel Bolt because I see it as at least, a safe enough counter to Pecharunt, who is the main problem to my team as I see it.
I do my best to work with it, but either way, that is not my problem.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[queen saddle]

I need to remove ice fang, but I HATE RELYING ON RNG TO WIN!

I just don’t think relying on a stone edge to land is smart, it’s very irritating.

So, I want to try out psy fangs, and at worst, play rough. But is that good? Just curious.

I could use silly billy tera blast ground for Pecharunt!

[trail whale]

Corv is one of the free-est switch ins into Pecharunt, so you can use that Bolt slot better
Ting should probably be SpD considering you have a Corviknight. Lets it take on a lot of the mons way better.
Skeli seems kinda awkward here imo, what's it supposed to do? Your own Pecha seems more attractive

[hot dome]

please don't be attracted to the pokemon

[queen saddle]

Skele is here because I wanted a fire water and grass core. I find hex and torch song being an incredible stall breaker, and while the meta can counter it, I do have answers to the meta as well. This helps a lot because it completes my core along with an added ghost type.

Corvi is a free switch, yes, but the thing I’m mainly fearing is offense. My main way of beating Pech is removing its recover PP, or making the guy keep Pech low enough for Oger/Zama or anyone else, really.

Sp. def Lu is a nice idea though, I need an answer that is more efficient to Ghold, so thanks.

[hot dome]

fwg cores are kinda mid in this current gen and skeledrige is NOT breaking stall

[queen saddle]

Pech has definitely been considered imo, but the switch ins for will-o-wisp are limited, and unaware is such a nice ability.

[hot dome]

unless the stlal player has both hands off the keyboard and is sleeping

[gaunt gate]

https://pokepast.es/5ee5c94adaad93c7

I'm new to this sorta thing.
Here's my team

[queen saddle]

Burns the Dozo and takes 15% from it, potentially can burn Gliscor if they play bad, Blissey can’t wall it because of unaware, and Lu gets burnt, so no passive recovery.

[hot dome]

unfortunately, none of these sets are viable and 2 of these pokemone are unviable

[gaunt gate]

Oh fr

I think I sent wrong team

[hot dome]

no *good stall player is letting their gliscor get burnt, blissey walls with calm mind which every set brings, and lu always packs rest

[hot dome]

i mean its marked sv ou lol

[queen saddle]

It doesn’t, unaware ignores the CM defense buff.

And Lu can always get burnt again.

[hot dome]

o yeah i forgot about that, blissey still walls tho

[queen saddle]

It really doesn’t.

[hot dome]

and ting lu doesn't care if it gets burnt

stall just goes gliscor, toxics, then waits for the dirge to die

[queen saddle]

Rest also provides me a free turn for Zama to come in and CC, or send out Corvi to remove hazards.

[hot dome]

its really not the stall breaker you hold it up to be

[gaunt gate]

Oh I read wrong, thought u said I had banned mons

[queen saddle]

I just go to Corvi for toxic.

Glis can’t ever break through a Corvi.

[hot dome]

ok so you're forced to switch out

that is not a stall breaker if you cannot beat stall

[hot dome]

no lol, just bad ones unfortunatley

[queen saddle]

But it’s not like Gliscor wants to tank a hex.

Especially if it’s at + something.

[hot dome]

you seem pretty new to the metagame so id suggest you check out the sample teams first

they're a great resource to learn the metagame

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

this is to crox

[trail whale]

if you want smth to smack pecha and have a better time breaking stall you can do uh AV Crown!!!!

[hot dome]

Yt gliscor can and will tank a hex since 90% of them are spdef now

[gaunt gate]

Alr

[hot dome]

and they will definitely do it to trade a kill on dirge

[queen saddle]

At worst it’s 50%.

[hot dome]

which doesn't kill and in return you can kill

if you dont awnt to listen to the advice, fine, its your team

[queen saddle]

That’s not a bad idea, thanks.

[hot dome]

but as someone who has piloted stlal this entire generation, dirge is a non issue

[queen saddle]

Raging Bolt slot is the most flexible for me.

[hot dome]

also crown doesn't break stall either but wtv

[queen saddle]

I may not be higher like 1700’s, but I’m at 1600’s rn and climbing up the ladder as much as possible. While it may be that I haven’t faced the best stallers, Dirge has been really nice with me.

But I do see your point.

[hot dome]

in genreal this team is too greedy with the hazard weak pokemon (zama, wellspring, bolt)

esp since corv is way too easily blocked by ghold

[queen saddle]

?

[queen saddle]

Isn’t that how all Corvi matchups go?

[hot dome]

the evs are also just kinda random, if they're not for a specific treshold just go the stndard sets

[hot dome]

yes and most corv teams don't pack three mons that hate getting hazard chipped alongside them

[queen saddle]

The EV’s are specified for things, like Bolt’s speed for Gambit.

[queen saddle]

Corvi removes hazards for a reason…

[hot dome]

m8

i just said corv is way too easily blocked by ghold

its not reilable hazard removal

[queen saddle]

You said corv is too walled by corv.

😭

[hot dome]

yeah i mistyped and corrected it

[queen saddle]

Didn’t see it. Apologies.

[hot dome]

like i said, this team is way too greedy with the hazard weak mons, and av bolt is just kinda mid af

[queen saddle]

Also, Lu has some more offense js cause I wanted it to be bulky offense. Yk?

[trail whale]

its more just give room to outplay with Fsight/PsyNoise + Waterpon & Band Zama

[hot dome]

i dont see the point of using it when every offensive spattacker packs a super effective move to slam it

• its not like bolt is particularly threatening these days with ting lu on every team

[queen saddle]

I had boots Kyurem at first, but I can try Crown.

[hot dome]

av mons are only really good if they can pivot + they have a favorable typing in to the metagame

bolt has a unreliable pivot and a horrid typing

[trail whale]

I imagine a good mon in Bolt slot is offensive dark

yk take more advanytage of ghold

[queen saddle]

But I didn’t get any advice on Zama’s final move slot.

Was tryna remove ice fang but dislike stone edges accuracy.

[hot dome]

that is the least of your worries ngl

you have far more issues than what zama is running

[queen saddle]

Why are people hating on the Band Zama?

Band Zama is there for immediate pressure. I needed that speed stat and banded hits extremely hard onto a lot of mons.

[hot dome]

cuz lo/expert belt does the same without being easily pivoted into once its scouted which isn't that hard considering its only stab move is blanked by one of the most common types in the tier

and like i said, its not your biggest issue

[queen saddle]

What is?

[hot dome]

this core is just flawed

like i said, 3 hazard "weak" mons with unreliable removal, strange evs all around for no reason, weak on both the special and physical side, and im iffy on the offensive pressure

[queen saddle]

This team has nice offensive pressure, and wdym weak on special and physical side?

I understand special, but physical?

[hot dome]

corv gest worn down easily esp with this set without id + the weird evs

and skeledirge is notoriously mid

[queen saddle]

Skeledirge is not mid, it really has shined in many of my matches.

[hot dome]

ok well that's great for you

[trail whale]

I do recommend playing a bunch with sample teams if you havent played lots/reached very high in ou
helps understand the metagame really well

[queen saddle]

And it’s great on this team too.

[hot dome]

doesn't change the fact that it has poor mus into a good chunk of the tier and is easily forced to tera

look, if you like this team, you are free to stick to it

[queen saddle]

I’m 1600 on the ladder, highest I’ve ever been, and it’s due to this team.

[hot dome]

but if you come to this channel, yuo must be willing to take feedback

and if your response every time is "well it works for me", that is not taking feedback

that is wasting both our times

[queen saddle]

I have arguments here for a reason, to try to understand what’s wrong here. The EVs I can understand.

And Skeledirge in my experience has helped me a ton in this team.

It may not be easy, but it’s just really bulky and whatnot.

And reliable healing with good damage.

I usually don’t tera with Dirge either, in my experience again.

So, I just run sp. def Lu and phys def Corvi? Just talking about EV’s rn.

[hot dome]

ok, but this is not rating off of your experience, this is rating for the current metagame, and in a metagame where the best physical attackers are
Kingambit
Zamazenta
Great Tusk
Ogerpon Wellspring
Samurott Hisui
Dragonite
and Roaring Moon
(order may vary depending on who you ask)
and skeledirge gets hit super effectively by 5/7 of them

it is not a very good physical wall

Skeledirge is not a reliable physical wall, and it is certainly not reliable on this team where it is expected to be the main soaker of physical damage on the team

[queen saddle]

Corvi takes the main physical damage, unless the match up is bad.

Then I go Dirge.

[hot dome]

corv also does not have a good mu into most of these pokemon because you do not have iron defense

[queen saddle]

I don’t see any way of fitting it in, I need it to have u-turn because of the pivot, and roost + defog are needed for hazard removal and healing.

[hot dome]

which is fine but then you need to back it up with a reliable secondary wall

which is NOT skeledirge

[queen saddle]

I haven’t even seen iron defense Corvi too facing physical guys.

[queen saddle]

Oh.

So, I just change Dirge to Pech?

[hot dome]

no

[queen saddle]

Best change I see is that.

I really like Skeledirge because of its unaware ability too, the stats are probably its worst showing, but it’s not awful either.

[hot dome]

this team needs a fundemental overhaul: its core is flawed and relies way too much on corviknight which unfrotunately is not him

if you want to run a team where you have three mons that are expected to pivot in and out and they are all hazard "weak", you need to either have good hazard removal or run a team offensive enough to ignore this

This team is not that: this team is trying to be a balance with no boots spam and solo corv removal

either pivot to a bulkier playstyle with boots spam, or pivot to a bulky offense team with more offensive pressure ie lando etc

[queen saddle]

I see.

[pseudo whale]

It’s jst a team for pult, not rlly ment for like top rank PvP, but it’s super good when used right

[trail whale]

pokepaste makes it easier to rate, also this channel is meant to help make the team optimal for competitive

[pseudo whale]

Oh, sorry, I’m on mobile and idk how to use the paste thingy yet

[trail whale]

scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.

[pseudo whale]

Oh alr

https://search.app/t8mhaY387Mmua3bHA

Alr there we go ty

[trail whale]

The Pult set seems bad, Pult has mediocre offenses and bad physical ghost STAB, so without a boosting item like Specs/Band or utility in Wisp pivot, just seems like a weak Pokemon.
Band Meow also just kinda sucks, its not hard to switch into and doesnt set itself apart from better breakers like Ogerpon-W, Darkrai, Ebelt Zama, Ival, Specs Kyurem etc.
Zapdos/Tusk/Prim seems like a neat bo core but Iron Moth's inconsistency as a sweeper simply doesn't add to that, its suited to be with more offensive partners and the core you currently have prefers more consistent pokemon that have more use than the 1 time attempt at sweeping.

Ideas seem messy and kinda needs an overhaul imo, one of the sample Pult sets on the Strategy Dex will offer you a much better starting point :3

[pseudo whale]

Alright, I just don’t play gen 9, so I don’t know if any of the new pokemon are better then old

My friends told me a few gen 9 are good so that’s why there are a few

[trail whale]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-indigo-disk-viability-ranking-thread-update-on-post-755.3734134/

[silent hemlock]

Kinda crazy how if you take all top 16 mons 9 of them released in sv

[trail whale]

and crazier that two of the other 7 have their first ou gen in sv

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/8149a07333f96acc

Built this team from my attempt to make sd hamurott work on standard offense (it’s too slow to consistently sweep and I never actually clicked swords dance) tested this team a bunch and made adjustments accordingly so it seems fine

[faint vortex]

Hello everyone, built this team being inspired by the Hellom Six Sample Team. Seems pretty good, but always open to suggestions. Thanks in advance. https://pokepast.es/5009ec984fe206df

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[misty basin]

Elaborate on the EVs for Samurott-Hisui please

[faint vortex]

I saw the ev spread on a specific team a while back, use this set on all my samurott sets

I prefer its additional evs in sp def and hp to take hits better

[low phoenix]

flip turn can be sucker punch for priority and you have 2 pivots already but looks fine

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/aa6d6a2ade34ea85 New to comp, basically just whipped this up for doubles using basic ideas i learned from yt

[tacit bluff]

if this is for doubles this is the wrong channel to have it rated

this is for OU, singles

#1059655497587888158 is what you're looking for

but with my limited knowledge of DOU, this isn't very good

[zenith harbor]

oops

mb

[faint vortex]

Cool, made the change.

Is my sp Def wall core of hrott and crown good? It's a bit weak to hazards, but i don't know how i can change that without messing with the team comp

[low phoenix]

hrott crown lando is a good bulky offense core

and your team is offensive enough to not care about hazards too much

[magic walrus]

I need help with this cinderace balance https://pokepast.es/78bea0966219e5fe

feels like no hazard control

[low phoenix]

this team is not good

scarf cinderace is not good

[tacit bluff]

this team has a myriad of issues, no hazard control, the fact that scarf cinderace is just not a real set, eerie impulse zapdos also isn't real, etc etc

[low phoenix]

booster roaring moon doesnt fit in balance

[magic walrus]

oh

[low phoenix]

yea just get a sample team if you wanna learn how to teambuild

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[magic walrus]

i have that link

[tacit bluff]

also a lot of these sets are just

off

[magic walrus]

it is just that i like ausma's sun team

[tacit bluff]

quauqaval is viable but its running a very odd set

and even then quaquaval isn't very good

[magic walrus]

well true

https://pokepast.es/3324a35c6d164405 so how about changing it into HO?

[tacit bluff]

HO

2 setup sweepers

this can work but a fair few mons should be replaced

cinderace isn't very good on HO, it doesn't provide that much to HO cores due to its lack of overwhelming firepower, court change is a neat tool but thanks to libero you become normal type if you click it first thing and then you lose your stabs, which is really bad, it can be swapped for a lead

gholdengo needs nasty plot here, recover or psyshock can be dropped depending on whether you value punishing switches by healing or the extra coverage and ability to break special walls

just swap zapdos for raging bolt, similar issue to cinderace is that blud isn't doing a lot of damage

make ogerpon sd then ur good

[magic walrus]

OK thanks

[tacit bluff]

np

just be careful of hazards, dnite can be tusk and then lead glimmora can carry mortal spin if they become a nuiscance

[magic walrus]

(i just took away a random cinderace team online and the first time i saw it i was like WHY IS THERE RANDOM POKEMONS THAT DOESN"T MAKE ANY SENSE here is the link to where i got the quaquaval thing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWKw3wu58Hc&t=1s)

[low phoenix]

idk what bss is but youtube videos on non-smogon formats shouldnt be used to gauge the viability of a team in ou

[magic walrus]

true as WHY IS THERE ANNIALAPE

[tacit bluff]

yeah bss is very very different to OU

3 pokemon vs 6 and a different banlist creates a wildly different tier

[magic walrus]

https://pokepast.es/3cdd59bde28235b3 here is with your advice @tacit bluff

[tacit bluff]

I'd drop stealth rocks on tusk for knock off or bulk up if you end up making it the booster bulk up set and then drop dragapult for hazard lead glimmora or smth

oh and calm mind raging bolt

not volt switch

[magic walrus]

ok. Is that it bcuz im not a fan of booster tusk?

[low phoenix]

booster tusk is the only tusk set that fits in hyper offense

with hyper offense you throw a lead to set hazards then keep applying pressure with sweepers

[magic walrus]

I will replace pult with smthing like glim and make tusk my first use of booster?

[tacit bluff]

not necessarily true

others can work for teams that want a little bit more consistency with their offensive hazard control

like boots

[low phoenix]

fair

[trail whale]

should just kinda get used to the fact youre almost never swithing out and just going 1 sweeper after another

thats why calm mind over volt switch was suggested and why Specs Pult doesnt fit

[magic walrus]

Well true

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/dd1532923fc60d78

I wanna run lead weavile

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

ok but what does weavile as a lead do

its not setting hazards and its not denying opposing hazards

like what does it do to ribombee or araquanid or glimmora etc etc

ig it can goob lead lando but then they just hard switch

its just sitting there

its not like weavile is bad on HO either but its not a lead its a sweeper

[echo rampart]

axel KO's ribombee tbf

[tacit bluff]

oh yeah fair

aside from that tho

and hoping triple axel doesnt do triple axel things

regardless

idk just use a hazard lead

[hearty jungle]

can you rate my team https://pokepast.es/6d67e81bf44c1793. I am thinking to swap whimsicott with tornadus, but what else

[barren ridge]

this is a doubles team, try https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

[tacit bluff]

got to it before I could smh 😔

[hearty jungle]

thx

[pseudo condor]

https://pokepast.es/c4fff75bda832d4b

Torkoal : sets terrain and damage with weather ball, also does rapid spin.
Chandelure : choice scarf with fire blast mostly.
Pineco : Funny shenanigans with sturdy + pain split.
Rillaboom : Priority with grassy glide and sweeps with solar blade + sun from torkoal.
Alomomola : Water priority with aqua jet and play rough for damage. (Needs better moveset?)
Clefable : Only there for the Unaware ability.

I am pretty sure this team is trash but it somehow kindaa works. Thoughts?

[barren ridge]

This team is very bad. There's a misunderstanding with terrain extender on torkoal as it does not work with weather, you want heat rock. You're running a serious nature on Torkoal which is not providing any benefits. Pineco is not a good pick at all and level 1 mons are poor choices even for FEAR strats. Your movesets are in general not good.

If you're new to competitive pokemon I would recommend trying out a sample team first to get a better idea of what actually works in OU. Teambuilding is very difficult when you are new to competitive mons or simply new to a metagame in general. If you are insistent on making something yourself please utilize the viability rankings, strategy dex, and other resources to make better informed decisions

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[barren ridge]

You can find sample teams and other metagame resources I've mentioned here

[pseudo condor]

Ok thanks

[low phoenix]

pair weavile with a hazard setter like glimmora hamurott or lando

you got a nice offensive core with a lead that sets hazards and then weavile can knock boots off

[verbal hamlet]

hey gang, coming back to showdown after a 3 year hiatus. This team has been doing me great so far in low ladder, but do you think I should make any changes as I advance? https://pokepast.es/45a59c826a93068c

[trail whale]

youre mixing a HO team (Glimm, Moth, Gambit. getting hazards up and overwhelming your opponent with sweepers) with more balance-fit mons (Scarfer, Boots Kyurem, Ting-Lu). Probably decide on a style you want to go with before making a team

[faint vortex]

Thank you for the feedback, greatly appreciated

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/0e0ec564b43e57db

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hot dome]

3 breakers no spdef walls no pivots

[cold cosmos]

no pivots?

hydrapple is a pivot

clef is a pivot

does it matter if i have 3 breakers tbh

the spdef part is accurate tho

[hot dome]

Neither of those are pivots

[cold cosmos]

not my finest team.

[hot dome]

As they cannot pivot in and out

And yes it does matter if you have three breakers because it’s overkill and takes away from other roles in the team

[low phoenix]

Pivots have u turn/volt switch/flip turn to generate momentum and potentially bring in other mons safely

These mons don’t

So they are not pivots

[cold cosmos]

what

this is wild

SV ou mentality

[low phoenix]

It’s not sv ou that’s what a pivot is

[cold cosmos]

no

you're confused

if you say a pivot is "just a pokemon with pivoting move"

thats just wrong

pex was one of the best pivots in the game back in sm/ss

tangrowth, amoonguss, these are all pivots

just like hydrapple

i understand that this type of thinking probably doesn't exist in sv due to the fast paced games, pivoting moves spam and general lack of fat but its true

[low phoenix]

Idk about you but pivots are supposed to help other mons switch in

Otherwise it is just a wall

[cold cosmos]

as i said

sv ou mentality lmao

actually made me laugh, thanks bro

the difference between generations is truly astonishing

[low phoenix]

You’re welcome

[faint vortex]

Hey everyone, built this team a while back and just tweaked it. It's a bulky balance team. Any feedback would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/d569d273f0a38d86

[cold cosmos]

does skarm act as a wogre answer

ive no idea

[low phoenix]

Team looks fine but for some small things swap spikes and sr on Skarm and ting Lu and Change ting Lu Tera to ghost

[low phoenix]

Woger check

I like sr on Skarm cuz Skarm takes too much chip damage to consistently set spikes over the course of a long game

[cold cosmos]

i see

does corv act as one?

[low phoenix]

Brave bird Tera dragon yes

Not 100% but a decent one

[hot dome]

idk where you're getting how these are called pivots when the definition of pivot has been pretty set in stone every since uturn came out in gen 3 but aight

[hot dome]

twave on gking over toxic imo due to the prevelance of tera poison

also i swear this was a sample team once

https://pokepast.es/9318f755bbee6f88

lmao

[low phoenix]

Wonder if this team is still viable today

[hot dome]

god no

well

maybe

but not very good

[low phoenix]

What’s wrong with it now

Teams got the fundamentals

[barren ridge]

Lots of mons without U-Turn clones have been considered pivots though? Mons with some natural bulk and enough offensive presence to force a switch and gain momentum like Heatran or something with an AV. Especially regen mons that are able to take a hit, force something out, and then regen it off. I won't doubt that perhaps that sort of role may not be as useful in SVOU, but saying a pivot strictly has to have a U-Turn clone and always has seems reductive.

Also U-Turn was a DPPt move

[hot dome]

i cannot wrap my head around a pokemon being called a "pivot" when it cannot in fact pivot and you are just switching a wall in and out

but apparently yall were weird back then so

[cold cosmos]

a pivot is just a pokemon that can sponge hits for a team allowing you to keep your threats healthy

[hot dome]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot dome]

that's a wall

wtv we're not getting into the specifics of what a pivot is to you old heads

neat bit of history ig

team's still unfortunately flawed tho that definition of pivot doens't hold up today

[cold cosmos]

i dont even play classic gens

[cold cosmos]

yeah true

[faint vortex]

Possibly, I was inspired by pinkacross in his bulky hazard stack team a way while back

[faint vortex]

My team? Might I ask what are the glaring flaws?

[hot dome]

not yours

mortal's

yours is just a standard bulky balance

[faint vortex]

Yes, that plus zama (emergency check) answer it

[faint vortex]

Done, thanks! I'll test it out

[faint vortex]

Ahhh sorry, was hard to follow along haha

[faint vortex]

I prefer toxic to passively wear down set-up mons like Raging Bolt or walls like ting-lu, which both are immune to t-wave

[hot dome]

dont you have a ting lu

[faint vortex]

Yes

I originally had garg in lu spot, so I went with Toxic when I didn't have a ready answer to bolt

[trail whale]

and a Gliscor
Id say those Pokemon arent very probelmatic to your squad, while yellow magic can be very helpful

[faint vortex]

As opposed to toxic? I'm not opposed to trying it once more

[trail whale]

yeah

[faint vortex]

Ok well it's worth a shot

Thanks

[trail whale]

gl

[faint vortex]

Quick question for everyone here, what in your opinions is the best team out there?

Is that a question for this post?

[low phoenix]

According to spl I believe hazard balances are the most consistent rn

Correct me if I’m wrong

[hot dome]

no its for comp gen

[low phoenix]

No specific archetype is the “best” though

[low phoenix]

If you really struggle with scor you can tech ice beam on gking over status move

[faint vortex]

Got it, I'll try there. Thank you

[faint vortex]

I feel ok against glisocr and like having double status to help hex on pult, but that could be interesting

[low phoenix]

Fair

[faint vortex]

also my own gliscor and skarm seem to do well in taking care of it

[low phoenix]

Be careful oof sd scor

He can get out of hand with ur team if not careful

[faint vortex]

Yes, its a reason i made mine max speed to outspeed them and lando

regular lando anyway

[low phoenix]

max speed sd scor is becoming a more popular set

[trail whale]

Skarm has phazing so sd scor should be perfectly fine

[faint vortex]

If ever I struggle against it more, I'll make the change

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/a2b3776ec76eb4c5

Sent this team yesterday but no one got to it so bump

[trail whale]

Kinda awkward to have breakers and hazard setters vulnerable to hazards & chip when running hstack

[low phoenix]

It’s bulky offense so I expect to play more offensively

And I have treads

[trail whale]

yeah but a big gameplan is still to use hazards and thats why youve got Hamu Pecha.
But team is built around not being able to survive with hazards on their side for very long, so Treads is also not effective enough removal. Feels like you get owned a bit too hard by ghosts.
just my thoughts

[low phoenix]

Fair

[trail whale]

Can go a few different waus with the team
what idea were you interested in using

[low phoenix]

Most hazard removal is aggressive this gen so I feel like if I build hazard stack might as well just do bootspam

I think the original intent of that team was a pech offense hstack

[trail whale]

pretty much

[low phoenix]

And Corv/g weezing are just meh in general on hstack

[trail whale]

I think you go Ting > Hamu since running Boots makes Iron Moth & Ghold very annoying
Triple Ground can definitely become Wellspring fodder tho, esp with no water resist. I'd suggest like Dnite to keep the ground immunity and still be offensive enough for the team.

Then probably test from there

[low phoenix]

Yea I tested this team a bunch of times and had to remove some tech shit

Like sd hamurott and g moltres

That I really wanted to try in a team

[low phoenix]

Ngl I might as well just use the leng Loi hazard stack team

I think his team is the best pecharunr hazard stack rn

[silent vapor]

team i used for a tornament with some freinds https://pokepast.es/3c5f154879144120

[trail whale]

are you looking to get it rated for comp? Because using a lot of mediocre and bad things here

[silent vapor]

i wasent planning on bringing it into actual tornaments but yeah i do want to know how i can improve it

[trail whale]

You'd be recommended sample teams since theres a lot that isnt usable in high level play

[silent vapor]

alright will do

thanks :D

[trail whale]

gl in your comp journey

[silent vapor]

thank you

[wanton raft]

https://pokepast.es/d043f672eed3f00a
the strategy is : stiky web into court chnage by cinderace and sweep ( if u have a good set of malamar... beacause i'm not sure of my set ) thx

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Ok this team is just a gimmick

Court change with sticky webs is counterintuitive even with contrary as a strategy, it's far too much setup for you to set it up with your lead then switch them over to your side only to then finally have your not even very good contrary and defiant pokes to get anything done, you've conceded a lot of momentum at that point

If you're gonna use sticky webs, just run regular sweepers, why switch them over to your side, just slow down the opponent and you'll outspeed them anyway, not to mention malamar is unviable as is bisharp, they have poor matchups left right and center especially as one of them is dropping to every u turn and the other is a strictly worse kingambit who loses even harder into zamazenta and tusk

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[tacit bluff]

I'd recommend the araquanid webs HO team

If that's the strategy you wanna stick to here

[wanton raft]

ok I understand but it's just a team that can do good things if the opponent is not prepared I like to put together surprising teams like seviper's tera rock for the moment I'm still performing well with this team so I'm still going to take your thoughts into account.ount.

[tacit bluff]

I mean yeah sure the element of surprise can always win you a few games but it's never consistent

That is the nature of a gimmicky strat

And it's ultimately not very viable in a more competitive setting

Webs hyper offence already maintains speed control through setting webs in the first place it's just a weird strategy to then get them on your side and have your contrary sweepers and defiant sweepers go through

It's why serp is a good anti webs mon but you're never deliberately setting up webs then swapping them over to your side cause serp is pretty fast anyway and it also rocks glare for more speed control

[wanton raft]

k

[paper chasm]

https://pokepast.es/267635855d9bcb5e

gweezing feels like it doesn't do much

[low phoenix]

G weezing fits weirdly in your team ngl

Your team looks like it wants to be a bootspam balance and bulky offense simutaneously

[astral locust]

https://pokepast.es/6168a083e306ff8e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[astral locust]

peaked 1700 back then, dunno how good it is now

so far I'm 8-2 in wins/losses but what changes would you recommend?

my main problem is facing water ogerpon

since kingambit likes the be tera holder it pressures my other mons to tera against ogerpon

oh yeah Hsamurott has a field day on my team too

https://pokepast.es/d47f25a9e4ee4b1c

redo of my paste btw last paste had max speed gliscor for some reason

[trail whale]

Dumping thoughts

Hatt is weird here, you could be using that slot to fix your problems with like Raging Bolt or Zamazeta. Id also say Im not a big fan of Pult + Ghold here, you have 0 pivots to bring Pult in safely and you double on spinblockers, Id focus on pivot Bolt if you keep Pult since its a good water resist and Zamazenta if you go for Ghold since a pivot isnt as essential.

[toxic smelt]

https://pokepast.es/40de177155c0cd01
Made it to 1874 with this team (currently 1862).
It doesn't have a ghost resist so I'm using tera normal gliscor + tera dark zama and hoping for the best. Any changes I can make so I can make it better?

[proud canyon]

just looking for some feedback on this team, im very new to teambuilding

https://pokepast.es/970c3d394044e8df

[astral locust]

I mainly placed pult for speed control and hat for easier hazards management/dealing with dark types. Also I feel as if my tusk gets little work done sometimes, but maybe I've just had bad matchups

by "pivot bolt if you keep pult" do you mean by replacing pult with bolt?

this team feels very weak to iron valiant

I feel like I should opt for glowking instead of hatterene

All my mons have a relatively low speed tier too except only pult

[trail whale]

I meant Bolt > Ghld/Hatt so Pult has a friend that can bring it in.

[astral locust]

aight so uh

how do i not get blown up by iron valiant

then

https://pokepast.es/c9702ce2094af89a

I lowk just shoved the bolt build from smogon dex

don't know why pulse is here instead of draco because I thought this was a pivot

[trail whale]

you could do Glowking or even Pecha > Ghold

[astral locust]

what would you prefer

I can’t decide

[trail whale]

My first instinct is Pecha since you lack a physical wall but can test games with both

[astral locust]

what if I re-ev tusk and gliscor more physically oriented >:D idk if fully offensive jolly is good for getting spins off

usually i get one spin off in a game and then never again with this tusk build

i think im doing it wrong

[trail whale]

you cn try

[low phoenix]

I’m kinda iffy on gliscor on this team as it doesn’t really take advantage of grassy terrain that well

[trail whale]

I usually find that one spin is all I need

[low phoenix]

I don’t really play grassy terrain and don’t remember the last time I used rillaboom so I could be wrong

For now you can try kingambit over gliscor for your ghost resist

[alpine hornet]

fully offensive jolly is def the best at getting spins off

if ur running it with mola and u really want to get those spins off against dengo for example u can invest a tiny bit into spdef but

u need max speed and want max attack

[astral locust]

I see

when are good times to switch it in then

against what mons

most of the time when i find an opportunity them rocks just fly back up again

[low phoenix]

Talking to you btw

Also Resto Chesto zama could be nice as you already have passive recovery with terrain and rest pretty much gives zama a second chance at sweeping

[toxic smelt]

You could tera your gliscor to take advantage of it since it's alot of healing
As for kingambit > gliscor, I won't be having a volt switch immunity

[low phoenix]

Kingambit over cinderace then since your team is offensive enough to not care too much about hazards

[tacit bluff]

This is for ag

Not OU

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1208795569649356820

There you go

[tired monolith]

Hey o coming back to play the game and iam a bit rusty. Can someone help me update my old rain time to gen 9 meta?? https://pokepast.es/2e0e20751f6c06b1

[bright dock]

I assume this is for Gen 8 OU? Due to the lack of Teras at least

Because this channel is for Gen 9 OU lol

#1060339824537641152 is what you’re looking for in that case

[tired monolith]

I want to update it to gen 9

[bright dock]

Oh

I’m blind

Holy shit I’m BLIND throughout this entire week

[tired monolith]

Can you help me ahaha

[bright dock]

Unfortunately I’m terrible at SV OU

And tbh this request is quite specific so I’d prolly wait for a better SV OU player in general

I’m not sure if this is RMT or compgen talk because again this is quite an unique request lol

But yea tldr wait for someone who actually knows the meta well

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/d88d56f8be8ad43f been running this for a lil bit. dont know if i should change moon evs cuz theyve been working. i keep plateauing around 1450. anything i can change?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

Honestly best recomendation is to run a normal Moon set and switching out Pecha for Ghold to improve Corv match up and have a sweeper
The Gambit and Ival match ups are currently both very weak and a standard Booster Rmoon makes both a lot more manageable

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/9d81e34adaf99eaf

[queen saddle]

Slap on moonblast over psychic.

[zenith harbor]

you right

also i should put u turn on corv now that im looking at it

[trail whale]

I recommend using asample team

[zenith harbor]

i did for a bit but it feels more boring that way ngl

[queen saddle]

Assault Vest and iron defense?

[trail whale]

Milo sucks and thats most certainly not the way to use it
Corv cant use anything other than Brave Bird because of Assault Vest
Magnezone sucks
bad Rilla and Val sets
Maus is niche

[deep locust]

https://pokepast.es/4fdd1e5108f248ee

[trail whale]

This honestly looks very good, would just recommend twave > slack off since on this team you shouldnt be needing to fall back often.

https://pokepast.es/4d315c29f4fea4b5 gmcat

[deep locust]

Yeah after play testing a bit I got that vibe. Thx for the fix and rate my g

[paper chasm]

https://pokepast.es/dd57510be533a910

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/1ec0459d2c3bd804

[trail whale]

This looks like a rather standard hstack balance with no breaker or spinblocker

Specs Pult > Darkrai is the easiest fix but its probably not enough of a Waterpon check so Id recommend another Waterpon check like Zama or Bolt over Clef, not the biggest fan of it here.

[trail whale]

This is digging too deep into stall territory without trying to be a stall team which leads to awkward dynamics. Most notably lost momentum with Dozo & hazardless Ting-Lu, and the lack of a strong breaker despite having good pivots

[cold cosmos]

yeah maybe i could go some band ival for zama

wait

thats not a bad idea

ive seen teams like this though

(damn you supagmoney!!)

[paper chasm]

got it

[cold cosmos]

probably hdb on my team tho

with ival

[trail whale]

do you have any links of similar teams? Because the combination of an offense and a stall feels so wrong

[cold cosmos]

yes

[cold cosmos]

see my match vs supagmoney yesterday

he used dozo there

although he had breakers

[trail whale]

link

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/9c3649cb82de8ef3

https://pokepast.es/eb9e2c8aa98f4c46

this was what he used

band pult specs kyurem

[trail whale]

looks super confusing to me but maybe a better ou-er can talk about it

[cold cosmos]

the main difference i see b/w my teams and the rest

theres no breaker in mine

[odd jackal]

Dozo's p passive last time I checked

[trail whale]

my thoughts are that Dozo is a big momentum sink when many of the physical guys you wanna switch into can pivot. Even worse when your special tank is Glowking who's more like a pivot not supposed to come in often.
Just never seems worth the slot

[cold cosmos]

valid

its very good anti HO

[low phoenix]

Isn’t there no ground immunity for this team tho?

[cold cosmos]

yeah its mid

negative aura

use this

[trail whale]

damn Im blind

[low phoenix]

And the teams DarkraI matchup feels eh

[trail whale]

Garg + Val seems okay enough

[low phoenix]

I think nasty plot breaks garg easily especially if it has focus blast

So I don’t consider it a real rai check

[trail whale]

maybe Enam > Val..

[cold cosmos]

@trail whale

[trail whale]

yes?

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c36c9341eaf5e720
https://pokepast.es/b1edee30cce64ad7

which one of these do you prefer

tera dark zama

could also maybe go nasty plot dengo

[trail whale]

Zamazenta
though I think you need a fatter core if you want to build Dozo balance
like Corv and a Kyurem check in Gking or AV Crown over Cinderace and Zapdos

[cold cosmos]

true true

you're right

what about like

glowking for the dengoat

[proud canyon]

im pretty new to teambuilding, does anyone have any improvemnents fro this team?

https://pokepast.es/12edd14dbb065434

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Sand in general isn’t very good due to there being so many grounds and steels in the meta and tyranitar being checked by pretty much every top Mon in the current meta

Also idk what azumarill and serp are doing in your team

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[proud canyon]

do you think i could switch excadrill to a sthealth rocks set that dosent need sand and completely change out tyranitar for something else?

[low phoenix]

No Exca drill is good on sand

Just saying sand is not the best play style rn

[proud canyon]

so who should get the boot?

[low phoenix]

the whole team ngl

sand isnt very good right now for the aformentioned reasons above

if you wanna play weather sun is the best one rn

there are a couple of good sun teams in the smogon forms in the rate my team (rmt) section

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/abad217fc943dc81 been running this for a bit. keep plateauing at around 1400-1450.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

well 4 dark types will get gatekept pretty hard ya

[narrow crest]

aint darkspam a thing tho?

[echo rampart]

mhm

usually caps out at 3 tho

[narrow crest]

ah

[echo rampart]

u can try a different defensive backbone if offense isnt working out

tinglu gloking or smth

pecha is only rlly good for spinblocking but its gonna get hella overwhelmed on this team

bc its ur only out vs zama

[narrow crest]

and val tbh

was thinking maybe leaning this towards bulky offense

https://pokepast.es/80a0bd77b54c5805 something along these lines maybe?

[low phoenix]

remind me on what covert cloak moon is for?

ive seen it before just forgot what its purpose was

[narrow crest]

scald alo, salt cure, malig chain

anything to slow/stop it from setting up

[tired monolith]

Hey can anyone help me rebuild a rain team?

[low phoenix]

i think pecharunt can still fit on this team just change one of your dark mons to lando t

and make hamurott assault vest

[narrow crest]

pecha was actually a lando replacement lol

[low phoenix]

keep lando

for your ground + electric immunity

and rocks

[narrow crest]

and then get blitzed by val

[low phoenix]

pecha + tera ghost kingambit is aight

[narrow crest]

low kick gambit aint gonna do anything to it tho

[low phoenix]

change low kick to iron head

[narrow crest]

i guess i have zama to deal with other gambit

https://pokepast.es/a1876136627de974

maybe now adamant on gambit then

[low phoenix]

zama and lando t

where did pecharunt go

[narrow crest]

woops

[low phoenix]

4 dark types is excessive

[narrow crest]

i feel like we have fallen ill with 6 slot syndrome

[low phoenix]

ye its tough teambuilding this gen

i feel u

[cold cosmos]

saw it on leavanny webs

[wooden geode]

Im trying to make a somewhat balanced grassy surge team. Any advice? https://pokepast.es/e00231c6f9532abc

[low phoenix]

Grassy terrain is inherently offensive by nature as you want to take advantage of the terrain as much as possible

Also you have 3 steels

And only need one bulky pivot imo

I’d try hawlucha or zamazenta > heatran

Iron treads > corviknight

Oh yea make kingambit bulky

[wooden geode]

thanks!

[heady comet]

https://pokepast.es/634bbbe0de86aeca

My new team the kel-tar connection as seen on smogon RMT board XD

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/a800b72b67270d1f
Note: I am new to teambuilding so any advice is appreciated

[faint vortex]

New iteration of an old team. Wondering if I should lean more toward to bulky balance route as opposed to the more balanced approach I have. https://pokepast.es/b68a4950cc6b69a0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[trail whale]

I dont like the Specs Pult and and Darkrai match ups here, what happens without a Dark. I'd slot in Kingambit > Waterpon potentially. Im also not a big fan of LO Zama here as its one of the 'blanket check' mons and you already have good breaking power.

[faint vortex]

Ok i can add Gambit. Do i make zama boots, I-Def or put another mon?

[low phoenix]

Why does this team feel like a uu team with only 1 actual ou Mon

[low phoenix]

Life orb Zam usually runs adamant right

I saw a calc of adamant lo zam 2hko def mola after stealth rock

[trail whale]

I think both Ebelt and Boots AoA are good

[silent hemlock]

https://pokepast.es/ac94e9113e67a6a6 neat team that marnie helped a bit to make but I am getting shit on in like every match I play with it idk if its missing something or if im ass or both

[trail whale]

When this happens rewatch replays and see if you threw or if a Pokemon is really tough.

CM Valiant and Taunt Roaring Moon look terrifying from a first glance

Molt > Clef seems like good help, though you lose rocks its fine

[silent hemlock]

I think molt would help a lot actually yeah

Ive been esp having issues with mons just pressing u turn so that'd help too

Also corv

Maybe swapping the dengo set for hex twave would be good then

Or what if I swap it for pech?

[heady comet]

Because only slowing is ou? Lol

Just how it worked out in the end making a sand team around kel-tar.

[low phoenix]

Doesn’t change the fact that this isn’t gen5 anymore

[heady comet]

It isn't and it's not a gen 5 team but it works all the same.

[cold cosmos]

have you even played gen 5

this is very clearly not a gen 5 team

its more of a gen 6 team

[heady comet]

They all may be uu both together as a unit they form a team that's solid ou

[cold cosmos]

how do you know

[heady comet]

I've used it?

[cold cosmos]

at what elo

@heady comet https://pokepast.es/ebe7e2747ed0abb5 just use this tbh

[heady comet]

No idea I forgot how high I got and no

[cold cosmos]

yes

its sand

what more do you want smh

[heady comet]

Keldeo lol

[cold cosmos]

keldeo is just unviable besides on hstack tbh

[heady comet]

If you say so

[cold cosmos]

its got a

niche

in ou

as a pivot + priority

[heady comet]

And the team does exactly that lol

[cold cosmos]

even then

why do you want to run keldeo

[low phoenix]

Sand + Exca drill + keldeo it’s gen5

[heady comet]

yes because that combination only works in gen 5 lol not like other gen didn't try it on for size as well, through admittedly it was at it's peak gen 5

[cold cosmos]

gen 6 too

im asking if you've played gen 5

its a gen id like to play

[low phoenix]

no

gen6 is excadill + clefable imo

[low phoenix]

Ok I talked to an actual rater

It’s viable but not the best

Like pretty much every Mon is useable

That the nature of sand though not the most viable play style but if you really wanna use it more power to you

Just keep in mind that your darkrai matchup isn’t the best

[heady comet]

im aware, it only ended up using mainly uu mons because of geling together better because the niech they have opened up for this specific build

hmmm darkrai yes

[low phoenix]

Yea I was just concerned because majority non ou mons is a red flag

[cold cosmos]

nah

sand is prevalent

[storm siren]

https://pokepast.es/236dba323feddcc5 does anyone have any tips on this team I made? It's been a while since I played showdown and idk much about the meta. I feel like I'm lacking in special defense and also I realised I have a rough matchup against hoopa unbound but idk what to do

[queen saddle]

It looks like good HO, but you should use lefties Gambit.

Max HP + attack.

[silent hemlock]

If u want theres a hamu HO sample that has like half these mons on it

https://pokepast.es/56f73e4816b54551

[storm siren]

I feel like if I do that I'm too open to special attackers but I see why that could be beneficial

[storm siren]

Thanks I'll have a look at this

Oh are repeat items allowed?

[queen saddle]

For singles, yes.

[storm siren]

Ah okay I wasn't aware

[low phoenix]

Bulky gambit is better in general

Max speed is a fraud

Unless you’re playing webs imo

[queen saddle]

People run max speed Gambit for other Gambits.

[glad dome]

Can gambit solo beat a gambit?

[queen saddle]

Low kick and stuff like that.

[queen saddle]

Depends.

[low phoenix]

When I run low kick I just speed creep by 1-2 points to outspeed other bulky gambit

[queen saddle]

Just run timid! Ar ar ar ar!

Jolly*

[tacit bluff]

if ur running low kick on gambit I usually reserve it for max speed gambit

[livid yew]

https://pokepast.es/32d4a6750e19a6ad

so I tried making a hazard stack,and lost every single game I played 😭

skill issue or team issue

[trail whale]

hstack but you have 0 breaking power

Garg is also not smth you should be using on hstack unless youre using a more BO hstack with removal. Hates taking hazard chip and hazard stack tries to live with hazards on both sides.

[livid yew]

thanks for the tips,I'll change that

[faint vortex]

Sorry, what is AoA?

[trail whale]

All out attacker

CC/Crunch/Slam/Stone Edge like you're using usually

[faint vortex]

Ahhhh ok

Adamant or Jolly? Which is best?

[trail whale]

I recommend suing a proven team if youre completely unsure how to make it work, helps in understanding what the archetype wants to do and match ups

[trail whale]

Jolly

[faint vortex]

Thanks for the advice!

I will make the changes

[livid yew]

👍

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/f618db3ebee64ad0

[royal gorge]

the new and improved ou team!!

i will definitely change this up a bit ifn there are any major flaws

there were so much changes lol

[terse locust]

https://pokepast.es/abf6a7615570558a
what can i do to improve this, i noticed i have a big weakness to ice and was wondering how to go against it

[trail whale]

What I ca say is that the sets are wrong
click import/export to see the standard sets. Treads and Meow also dont seem like they synergise with the ho youre going for

[clear hare]

https://pokepast.es/9f438bd9ec4ade05

I wanted to make a Hazard stack team with Sinistcha and Lokix. I've had success with this core of 5 but the 6th mon is hard for me to find, I want something specially offensive who can break through Gliscor. My team also usually struggles with Glimmora and Iron Valiant.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clear hare]

I've tried Moth, Pult and even Latios but they didn't really "click", each for different reasons.

[trail whale]

Not a big fan of the concept honestly. Lokix + a team that wants to keep hazards up is off, especially when its the main breaker
same for 0 boots when hazard stack should be able to win with hazards on both sides

[alpine hornet]

we don't rate incomplete teams unfortunately

[clear hare]

Oh sorry I didn't know

[alpine hornet]

also this ⬆️

[clear hare]

I was gonna keep Latios as a placeholder

[clear hare]

Fair enough, but I thought Lokix kind of works with hazards no? Since he mainly does damage in increments of 50-80%, hazard chip goes a long way as for getting KOs with FI

Is this a discussion chat or just pure ratings I'm new to this discord

[zenith harbor]

discussion is in general

[clear hare]

Ok

[trail whale]

discussion about the ratings is fine
discussions about ou in general can go in comp general or oucord

[trail whale]

hazards are fine, but should have removal and shouldn't be dedicated to hazardstack. Also a secondary breaker so that Lokix doesnt feel overworked, especially as it can thud into some fat mons.

[clear hare]

Ok thanks! Any suggestions for another breaker? Preferably something that deals with Gliscor and helps with Val

[trail whale]

the best for that is probably Specs Iron Crown, but can also just focus on handling Val defensively

[low phoenix]

Blud what the hell are these Lando t Evs for

[terse locust]

idk someone i know did the lando t for me

[low phoenix]

You can change it to kingambit for an ice + dark resist

Not a fan of tailwind pelipper

It really should have u turn so you can pivot into your offensive mons easily

[terse locust]

anything else i can change for the team?

[queen saddle]

Tailwind in singles?

Wild.

[low phoenix]

Take out tailwind for zapdos and change it to weather ball

Or change zapdos to something like ogerpon w/overquil

[queen saddle]

Didn’t rain fall off cause waterpon?

[zenith harbor]

https://pokepast.es/f618db3ebee64ad0

[whole oak]

First team I've made https://pokepast.es/3e191c6322641000

[queen saddle]

Actually one of the better ones I’ve seen for a first timer.

But use sash on Hatt, max HP and sp. atk, TR, misty explosion/healing wish, psychic or psy noise, and dazzling.
Not much else I can say because I’m busy and don’t know what the team is supposed to be.

[queen saddle]

Run sand rock if you’re going to use a sand team.

Or smooth rock, idc abt the name.

5 turns of sand is nothing in singles.

[queen saddle]

Tailwind + sunny day on Moltres is not good. Flamethrower, u-turn, roost, and roar/will-o-wisp is your best options.

[trail whale]

EQ > Ace on Ttar so you hit Gambit and can be safe with how scared ground immunes are of Ttar's STAB. Balloon Drill too probably, offers set up opportunities LO just cant find.

Then the last 3 mons feel like they don't cover for the weaknesses of the team, entire team is full of physical attackers and defensive Pokemon.

Moltres fairs well into Tusk, Gambit, Zama, and grounds, and can pivot Ttar and Exca in safely. TornT just fairs much worse into all of these without an important benefit. CM Valiant also fairs much better into these, covering for important holes

Heatran is a bit of an awkward rocks setter, Id go with Tinkaton for a stronger Kyurem and Darkrai match up, also more offensive with the turns it provides for your team. Then Dozo just sucks outside of stall and maybe balance, you'd use a more offensive Pokemon here that can keep momentum and threaten Ting-Lu like Waterpon/Keldeo/Primarina, even just Zama or DD Kyurem.

Id usually point to samples but multiple people wanna go for sand so might as well push the idea

[queen saddle]

Iron head over facade, tera ghost/fly over normal.

[whole oak]

Flying for ground immunity?

[queen saddle]

Flying is for resisting fighting and immunity to ground. Ghost is for the immunity to fighting and similar stuff.

[whole oak]

Ah

[queen saddle]

And the problem is your team wants and hates TR.

Luna can work without TR.

And your sun setter is horrid as a sun setter.

[whole oak]

Yeah I wasn't sure who to use for sun

[trail whale]

TR is not good and I highly recommend learning more competitive before using it
But if determined, use standard Ursaluna and Wake sets.
Moltres also sinks too many turns as a sun setter and gets eaten alive by rocks, use smth like Specs Torkoal if you want to push the niche.

[queen saddle]

Tork or Ninetails.

[whole oak]

Ok I'll look into both of those then

Thanks

[low phoenix]

I argue since archaludon got banned not enough good dedicated rain abusers

[queen saddle]

We need Arch back. 💔

[queen saddle]

Np.

[zenith harbor]

so replace torn with moltres, replace dozo with with one of those legendaries. what do i do with heatran

oh somehow i read past tinkaton

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/800683a21afe9e8f

[hot dome]

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

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[sick scarab]

Bulky Offense

https://pokepast.es/58cf0cdbdd8aa613

[tacit bluff]

This is ok but you don't actually have any sweepers

Like banded moon AoA oger and booster treads are all ok breakers and progress makers but nothing is your obvious wincon

[odd jackal]

Also imo spikes > rocks

[stable mason]

https://pokepast.es/f330b860566d9c85
hey first team I’ve built is this decent?

[trail whale]

Also just loses to Kyurem and ID Corv!

[tacit bluff]

Idt eject button hatt is necessary here you can make it calm mind instead methinks

[tacit bluff]

Yeah but Corv should be ZU so it's not a concern (I'm a massive hater)

[odd jackal]

I feel like wog can be SD

[tacit bluff]

Don't call it that 😭

[trail whale]

Unfortunately too many of these are unviable, while the usable ones are quite niche and need to be built around carefully
Id recommend using sample teams and learning the meta before building

[tacit bluff]

That's a slur ftr

[odd jackal]

ftr?

[tacit bluff]

For the record

[trail whale]

for the record

[tacit bluff]

Lmfao

It's ok you probably didn't know but yeah

[odd jackal]

Oh shit

[odd jackal]

Can we save this tho

"We"

[stable mason]

Alr it was an attempt but that’s probably what I’ll do thanks though😁

[trail whale]

also #comp-helper-hours !!

[trail whale]

good luck and have fun!

[odd jackal]

Can I join

[tacit bluff]

That can be solved by making iron treads AV and having a steel move on it

And then you can make oger sd

Since AV treads is likely gonna be volt switch anyway

[trail whale]

I dont like AV Treads as Kyurem check

[tacit bluff]

It's a workable one

[trail whale]

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Iron Treads: 196-232 (51 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
idk what evs you run but 😭

[stable mason]

Join what it’s just going to be me picking a team and then going into comp over and over till I understand how it works😭

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/e66b989047261766

[tacit bluff]

I will later I'm at school!!

[odd jackal]

No Access!

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/0a4db085ab0e245a

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[misty basin]

Dark spam hazard stack HO
Pretty good team I'd say

Any Blaziken trying to sweep will take an unpleasant Moonblast from Enamorus

[trail whale]

I really dont like how hard a lot of mons thud into Gambit and Zama, sure have mons against them but its ho you won't really get away with smth as inflexible as.

Being honest I dont believe in the Roaring Moon set since it thuds into more stuff, Fairy is cool but you really should run Booster and maybe EQ so youre harder to wall

Enam is also probably better as something more consistent into Zama + Gambit, CM Valiant and Sub Iron Moth are my most notable shouts.

[alpine hornet]

worth noting cloak dd moon is very much a mon that is far better on sun

off of sun u do want booster 95% of the time

[queen saddle]

Ihy (I’m a massive Corvi supporter)

[edgy warren]

https://pokepast.es/ae88354c05730417

what go with this

[royal gorge]

can you please further elaborate?

[low phoenix]

This channel only looks at completed teams fyi

[edgy warren]

k can i just go comp general then?

[low phoenix]

Yea

[edgy warren]

https://pokepast.es/ecee426fc7021748

finished it

hasnt been tested

[low phoenix]

Why toxapex and ting Lu on an offensive grassy terrain team

Also you should test teams before you ask for rate

[edgy warren]

ignore ting lu moves i didnt mean to put recover

[edgy warren]

is balance

although ting lu might not bethe play

https://pokepast.es/e5f6080e1e5ea936

slight edits

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @tacit bluff, @alpine hornet, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

then why rillaboom and band ogerpon

[edgy warren]

offensive core?

[low phoenix]

tera blast pex is just a waste of a tera slot its not powerful enough to really abuse it

[edgy warren]

i had an idea for something mimicing rilla kart from last gen

[edgy warren]

thats my boy

[low phoenix]

two grasses

[edgy warren]

yeah 2 grasses to attempt to overwhelm checks but idk how well it works this gen

[low phoenix]

assault vest pex isnt very good but if you really want to use it you can change tera blast to infestation

what checks are you trying to overwhelm