any ways to improve?
#SV OU Rates
faint vortex
https://pokepast.es/4f9401e30d419e9c Wanting some advice on this team. Anything helps
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timid mango
what about major optimizations? Like a mon switch to make it a 7-8
tacit bluff
You'd just have to find those through playtesting
There isn't any particular major optimizations that I can notice
timid mango
https://pokepast.es/4f9401e30d419e9c Wanting some advice on this team. Anything ...
waterpon basically hits 4/6 of ur mons
Nvm 5/6 bc u turn hits rai
also before u say u can tera poison pon can tera water and ohko with cudgel after lorn dmg
lorb*
hot dome
https://pokepast.es/4f9401e30d419e9c Wanting some advice on this team. Anything ...
you should never have a sash mon on balance
this team also doens't have that great of a mu into zama if moltres gets knocked its gg
hot dome
your speed control is poor, and you're way too greedy with hazard-weak mons esp with helmet tusk over boots
timid mango
kills
and pon hits 4/6 for super effective
outspeeds the same 4/6
rai can outspeed but not kill if pon tera
hot dome
yes weak to waterpon and 6-0ed by wake
timid mango
pon ohkos tera water after lorb smg
also does this rely on tricking the opponents
bwcause i see offendive chomp
hot dome
what kind of team were you going for here? an offensively styled balance should probably not rely on offmeta picks like chomp and greedy mons like lo darkrai
timid mango
when its usually helmet rough skin
hot dome
and especially not sash hamurott
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hot dome
bwcause i see offendive chomp
offensive chomp is a perfectly fine set
timid mango
offensive chomp is a perfectly fine set
ik
hot dome
so why are you questioning it
timid mango
But its usually helmet skin
hot dome
not really
timid mango
what changes do u think he makes to his team
timid mango
https://pokepast.es/4f9401e30d419e9c Wanting some advice on this team. Anything ...
change lorb to boots
faint vortex
you should never have a sash mon on balance
Thats a mistake, it should be AV hrott
hot dome
ok that's better, still doesn't really fix the issues with this team tho
timid mango
Clodsire fan tell him to add a pon counter
faint vortex
Nvm 5/6 bc u turn hits rai
That bad huh?
hot dome
also in the future please playtest your teams before sending them here
faint vortex
ok that's better, still doesn't really fix the issues with this team tho
I understand. What can I do here then?
timid mango
alr
faint vortex
change lorb to boots
Lorb?
hot dome
I understand. What can I do here then?
what style of team are you going for here?
faint vortex
what kind of team were you going for here? an offensively styled balance should ...
Tried building a balance team around darkrai and garchomp. That was the goal
hot dome
hmmm
faint vortex
Tried building a balance team around darkrai and garchomp. That was the goal
However I'm open to making changes
faint vortex
your speed control is poor, and you're way too greedy with hazard-weak mons esp ...
The speed control has been an issue when i played with this team, no lie
timid mango
The speed control has been an issue when i played with this team, no lie
trick darkrai helps with speed control
faint vortex
lorb = life orb
Ahhhh gotcha
timid mango
also gliscor rai waterpon and one more is a rlly good corr
hot dome
thats not a really good core
faint vortex
trick darkrai helps with speed control
Decent, i could try that
hot dome
this is ngl kinda rough
faint vortex
this is ngl kinda rough
Fair, built this a lobg while ago
timid mango
this is ngl kinda rough
he said he wanted to make a team with chomp and rai
maybe remove all of bis other mons
and build from scratch?
faint vortex
he said he wanted to make a team with chomp and rai
Yes, but again open to any changes
timid mango
mb if im disrespectful
hot dome
let's try something like this:
Scarf Darkrai
Sinistcha over Tusk
Corv over Moltres
timid mango
let's try something like this:
Scarf Darkrai
Sinistcha over Tusk
Corv over Moltr...
iirc knock off pon kills sinistcha and pon 2hkos corv with tera water
after rocks
hot dome
then isn't it great that he also has this neat button of tera
timid mango
i keep forgetting he can tera
hot dome
@faint vortex honestly i'm pretty iffy on these changes but let me know how they go and what issues you're running into, boots darkrai could potentially be better to alleviate the hazard pressure on corv
hot dome
they have two dark types already
they do not need a third
please stop giving advice if you are not experiecned in the tier
faint vortex
<@233002909216800768> honestly i'm pretty iffy on these changes but let me know ...
I will give it a shot, thank you for the advice
faint vortex
they have two dark types already
Actually I have a thought, instead of AV samu should I have ting-lu?
And get another knock off mon?
faint vortex
Ahhh that's fair
hot dome
though i think ting lu over av samu coudl work if you are willing to revamp the team a little more
would probbaly be better overall ngl but atp this isn't a team rate this is just a new team
timid mango
This is just thought but doesent wake like kill corv and sinistcha and tinkaton?
with flamethrower
tusk also gets steame
hot dome
tusk isn't even on the team m8
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timid mango
checking their speeds
hot dome
its going to be sun boosted anyways it doesn't matter
timid mango
also its either im dumb or that isnt a “sus wake matchup”
wake like 4-0s team
Oh its choice locked
was gonna say that bc it ohkos chomp with d meteor
corv and tinka and sinistcha with flamethrower
hot dome
Tusk isn’t on the damn team dude
hot dome
Yes this wake mu isn’t the greatest but at some point you’re going to have to accept weaker mus and you still have av hamurott + tinkaton + potentially corv to help play around it
timid mango
as if it d meteors tinka gos in
hot dome
If I change this team anymore then it’s not a rate and im just building the team for him
faint vortex
though i think ting lu over av samu coudl work if you are willing to revamp the ...
What else would I need there?
hot dome
Probabaly pivot to a bulky hazard stack balance and drop either Darkrai or chomp to make room
faint vortex
Probabaly pivot to a bulky hazard stack balance and drop either Darkrai or chomp...
That could be good
faint vortex
I think that team has moltres and hydrapple or something
timid mango
wait it was taken off
it was a darkrai gliscor tinkaton bo
with hamuritt
imma test my team
fk crits
i just lost to a crit
faint vortex
Dude I just rated your last team
Its the same team, completely revamped. I made more changes
faint vortex
Please wait a bit
Ok sorry
timid mango
btw clodsire fan is my rmt cooldown finished or nah
faint vortex
btw clodsire fan is my rmt cooldown finished or nah
There's a cooldown? I had no idea
faint vortex
Ohhh right so there isn't an official cooldown time?
hot dome
There isn’t an official cooldown but it pretty frustrating for us to rate a team only for you to immediately go back and hand us a different team
Since we’ve essentially just wasted our time on the first one then
faint vortex
There isn’t an official cooldown but it pretty frustrating for us to rate a team...
Thats fair I understand. Sorry about that
I do appreciate your help
timid mango
btw clodsire fan you think you can rate my team? Nocturnal nugget alr did but 2 ppl are better than 1 and i can see what thoughts ppl have on a diffrent viewpoint.
wait that sounded bad
cold cosmos
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timid mango
its either
im dumb
or waterpon hits half of his team
knock off the ghold
stab water on gliscor and the molt
also hamurott
4/6 nvm
if it runs prough then it cant hit dhengo but can hit zama
royal oyster
Can you help me improve it a bit ? I made a SV OU team Iron hands rillaboom terrain extender I just added screamtail for wish and a fast encore and I really like it so far. The other three pokemon I don't care as much https://pokepast.es/c70ea5c4e34ad876 I'm not very experienced or good at building idk what I'm doing
screamtail helps me against pokemon that sets up that I struggle to pass like sinistcha, raging bolt and some kyurem and it has wish
I really like the terrain extender set, I just added sd instead of woodhammer I didn"'t find woodhammer that useful for me and I thought +2 attack knock off could help me out against what they bring into rilla which is often what they bring to iron hand anyway and +2 atk tera grassy glide is good to close game
I use terra fire on iron hand so I can ignore will of wisp user, tank and kill fairy type if I need and for moltress
jagged hill
I'm getting into stall and I want some criticism on my team. https://pokepast.es/66ba49781277a5b8
tacit bluff
Can you help me improve it a bit ? I made a SV OU team Iron hands rillaboom ter...
ngl, scream tail is entirely outclassed as a wish passer by alomomola, it doesn't have an ability and is ridiculously passive, compared to Alo who can make progress with scald and serve as a pivot or it could go with its AV set and get the jump on special attackers with mirror coat
there also isn't really a need for terrain extender rillaboom here no one else on your team is exploiting the terrain and rilla is not a great user of SD it struggles to set up thanks unpunished thanks to its mediocre speed which can be capitalised on by pokemon such as dragapult, iron moth and darkrai who threaten massive damage with their super effective moves. And in the face of defensive mons like Zamazenta and corviknight who even at + 2 will shrug off anything you throw at them since you dropped rillas most scary burst damage option in wood hammer. And its use of SD is clashing with U turn here mons don't generally act as both a pivot and a sweeper since you lose the boosts.
if you wanna use terrain extender rilla, slot on an unburden sweeper like hawlucha who can exploit the terrain with grassy seed
and even then it pales in comparison to the terrifying damage output of choice band wood hammer
its fine otherwise
royal oyster
ngl, scream tail is entirely outclassed as a wish passer by alomomola, it doesn'...
@tacit bluffthanks a lot for your input
tacit bluff
np
royal oyster
ngl, scream tail is entirely outclassed as a wish passer by alomomola, it doesn'...
with terrain extender I feel like terrain is there when I need it
tacit bluff
this is close to being a pretty solid team, just scream tail is kinda odd here
royal oyster
without it I feel it's not working out great
tacit bluff
with terrain extender I feel like terrain is there when I need it
I mean when else are you needing it aside from when rilla is on the field spamming grass stab yk
tacit bluff
plus you have ice spinner tusk, which removes your own terrain
tacit bluff
iron hands isn't a bad mon persay, its very very bulky I just think if you wanna exploit the terrain hawlucha could be better here
granted iron hands has a place
it just doesn't die ever
royal oyster
I feel like hawlucha would do the same thing as iron hands
I keep it in the back
so I can sweep
tacit bluff
hawlucha does it but it has a speed stat
in fact after unburden it outspeeds the entire tier bar none
royal oyster
I think if you use hawlucha you have no real need for iron hands
tacit bluff
ye thats what I'm saying
you can keep iron hands tho like its fine here
I just think rilla would be better off banded, and if you keep it as terrain extender I'd still put wood hammer on
that move is so absurdly strong coming from rilla
so many things drop in a single hit
royal oyster
I didn'et like banded because trhings like moltress, corv comes in and I'm locked
then rilla take dmg from himself
tacit bluff
thats mostly just a rilla issue in general
corv still walls you tho you can't rly break past it
royal oyster
and I lose my terrain and my iron hands is useless
because of a random earthquake it has
in their team
I see
tacit bluff
like regardless if ur banded or not corv is gonna force you out
imo if you wanna exploit the terrain you wanna be hitting fast and hard with your mons
for instance sd ogerpon with grassy glide can be really scary under g terrain
you only have 8 turns afterall
royal oyster
I thought I was exploiting the terrain with all my grounded tanky pkmn
like they have stamina
not infinite
tacit bluff
tbh iron hands is gonna be tanking hits with or without terrain
aside from eq but most tusk sets run headlong rush anyway
and lando is often running earth power
royal oyster
btw about alo, I remember trying it and hating it in this team. Like it was not helping me out when I needed it and losing to stuff I'm already losing
tacit bluff
idk if you rly need a wish passer in general tbh
royal oyster
at least now I can encore sinistcha, raging bolt, some kyurem
tacit bluff
like this team feels weirdly slow
how are you beating sinis it just starts clicking shadow ball
royal oyster
idk if you rly need a wish passer in general tbh
maybe not, I tried healing wish amovenus but it was not doing anything for me sadly
tacit bluff
maybe you could go with tinkaton?
royal oyster
how are you beating sinis it just starts clicking shadow ball
alomola doersn't help with it either and yeah I noticed that with screamtail dragapult matchup is even worse
tacit bluff
it doesn't wish pass but it sets rocks
and also has encore
and checks the aformentioned mons
and unlike scream tail actually has an ability
thats kinda scream tail's entire issue
it would be amazing if it had smth like regenerator
but its stuck with a useless protosynthesis
royal oyster
in some game I would want rilla, iron hands, iron crown to be able to get back up
so I felt wish was nice
but maybe not necessary
tacit bluff
iron hands has a lot of healing tho
like lefties + drain punch + terrain
and its beefy
you lowk should be fine
royal oyster
tinkaton seems good maybe I can remove iron crown and scream tail and use it instead
and use another pkmn
now
tacit bluff
yeah I'd say so
iron crown gives you a nice fairy resist tho
but if you have tinkaton that won't matter
royal oyster
about iron tanky being tanky sometimes iron hand can kill one pkmn that prevent him to sweep because it get to low
tacit bluff
so maybe smth like raging bolt? or I mentioned ogerpon above
royal oyster
like a ground pkmn that dies on ice punch
so nice I can remove it but now he is too low
tacit bluff
yeah its a slow mon
royal oyster
if by any chance I don't have terrain per example
tacit bluff
you wanna pair it with breakers that can deal with the grounds
then you're good to go p much
royal oyster
sinistcha, raging bolt, dragapult
can be an issue
especcialy when they start to set up for the two firsts mobs
mons
tacit bluff
darkrai?
royal oyster
I remembezr struggling a lot against a raging bolt that cm once or twice
tacit bluff
you can scarf it if you're really scared of pult
royal oyster
that"s why I added AV iron crown
before I had a kinggambit av on top of it
xD
yeah maybe darkrai
it's true I"m slower than any scarf or insanely fast mons
tacit bluff
yeah like I said this team lowk slow as hell
which is an issue
slow mons are fine but a lot of them risk being overrun
royal oyster
so I need something that can deal with dragapult, raging bolt (that can probably tera)
and rilla can't kill with priority
even with chip dmg
before
I added king gambit for dragapult but now that I think about it
I get t wave and will of wisp
for free
tacit bluff
I'd say keep kingambit
you'd be kinda lacking for sweepers otherwise
iron hands can't rly do that job on its own
royal oyster
also it had another priority which I kinda need
ngl I'm surprised by iron hands
it won me so many game
after killing like one or two pkmn
tacit bluff
oh yeah people underestimate it
but its a flawed mon at the end of the day
ice punch is way weaker than you'd want it to be
royal oyster
does t wave and stealth rock works with AV ?
royal oyster
but its a flawed mon at the end of the day
what's crazy for me is how its dififcult to kill
tacit bluff
does t wave and stealth rock works with AV ?
no cuz they're status moves
royal oyster
like not a lot of pkmn can kill it with a grassy terrain +2attack drain punch
get full back up
I'll use the rgular ballon set
seems solid
can be useful if I couldn't lead with rilla
I can let it pop because I don't care
and steal an item later
my evil plan :p
royal oyster
no cuz they're status moves
scarf great tusk ? what do you think about that
I'm sure it kills dragapult
and they don't expect it
never mind I can't knock off into ground assault the ballons goldhengo
tacit bluff
scarf great tusk ? what do you think about that
tusk wants to use all its moves
- rapid spin boosts speed
like you don't rly need it
royal oyster
I see
I noticed my team doesn't have a special attacker anymore
do I need one ?
is it important ?
tacit bluff
did you not put darkrai?
royal oyster
did you not put darkrai?
not yet
I was thinking about it
it loses against dragapult
which I'm already struggling with
but I guess I can do the scarf darkrai thing
as you said
royal oyster
did you not put darkrai?
https://pokepast.es/13d45e601c1d9e62 so that's what it looks like now
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royal oyster
@tacit bluff are you sure about not using SD on rila ? +2 grassy glide or knock off could surprise ppl
but you are right about the team being okay, I'm not struggling
which is new to me. Without ice spinner I lose against scorvol :/ I can only ice punch him if I get toxic which kill my iron hands
hot dome
gterrain without any real gterrain abusers is not very good
royal oyster
gterrain without any real gterrain abusers is not very good
what are you calling grassy terrain abuser ? I really wanted to build around iron hand
except hawlucha I don't see other mons
that do it
royal oyster
but then the team is not about iron hand at all right ?
I will just sweep with everything else
unless iron hands can be useful still ?
I don't think it can be good if I don't build the team around it
I need to shutdown a few poké for him to be useful
hot dome
to be frank if you build a team around only iron hands sweeping, it's not going to work
if you want to build around such a limiting gimmick, this isn't the channel for you
royal oyster
🤔 I didn't thought it was a gimmick, I thought it was just building around a pokemon and trying to make it shine as much as possible
faint vortex
https://pokepast.es/4f0c5a31632d7052 Ok so after a complete overhaul on this team, I now have this team I'd like feedback. Any help is appreciated as always
royal oyster
the gimmick being "making iron hands shine"
damn you says it like iron hand is the worst pokemon ever 😅
faint vortex
damn you says it like iron hand is the worst pokemon ever 😅
Its not as good as to whats in OU
hot dome
he's not the worst but any team that tries to work as iron hands as its "star" will not be very good
faint vortex
Too bad, its a great mon
royal oyster
he's not the worst but any team that tries to work as iron hands as its "star" w...
I see
royal oyster
Too bad, its a great mon
I quite like it so far, tbh it's surprising how much it can do but you have to put work to weaken his counter
royal oyster
he's not the worst but any team that tries to work as iron hands as its "star" w...
I put a iron moth in the team in the last spots, I could notice the difference in power
I think he sweeped a few times in less than 10 turns
anyway
thanks
elfin sand
Heya! I'm a returning player from gen 6 and start of gen 7, and would like feedback on my first gen 9 team:
https://pokepast.es/bfa0276a7609df7d
I just really like iron valiant's design and want to use it
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faint vortex
Heya! I'm a returning player from gen 6 and start of gen 7, and would like feedb...
Valiant is an amazing mon to build around. Might I ask you what type of team you are going for?
elfin sand
Valiant is an amazing mon to build around. Might I ask you what type of team y...
i feel like this is a more aggressive style, with some setup from samurott, and voltturn to keep them switching
timid mango
so offence or hyper offence
elfin sand
i guess, yes!
elfin sand
the heck why the hell it has no item lmao
elfin sand
sure, i'll do so
timid mango
but what exactly does it do for your team?
elfin sand
as for his role, i just felt like i'd have some problems with psychic and grass types? idk tho honestly
like i said, this is my first team so if you have a suggestion, go ahead!
faint vortex
i feel like this is a more aggressive style, with some setup from samurott, and ...
Is decent for it, but would need hazard removal to keep crown val and ceruledge healthy
timid mango
im not rlly a rater so im just chatting untill one comes online
try replacing ceru for ddance rmoon
might make it worse might make it better
elfin sand
Is decent for it, but would need hazard removal to keep crown val and ceruledge ...
would you have any suggestions for that?
timid mango
would you have any suggestions for that?
you need hazard removal right?
you set spikes with die lead hamurott so dont do defog
i gtg now
cya
faint vortex
would you have any suggestions for that?
I'd say tusk with boots
faint vortex
Agreed with @timid mango
elfin sand
sure thing, will make the swap now, maybe instead of ceruledge?
hot dome
Heya! I'm a returning player from gen 6 and start of gen 7, and would like feedb...
This team is a split between Bo and ho but you should really dedicate to one (hyper offense)
elfin sand
what is bo?
hot dome
Bulky offense
hot dome
If you honestly just want to use a team with valiant I’d just suggest using a sample team since this team is extremely flawed
hot dome
!gen9ousamples
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low phoenix
Meowscarada really doesn’t work here it’s a balance knock off user
isnt meowscarada used in that shotokan offense team though?
hot dome
Just because a mon features on one team doesn’t suddenly mean it’s part of the archetype as a whole
Kingambit is not a stall mon despite featuring on that one stall team
hot dome
Cuz it’s way outdated
elfin sand
this one feels fairly similar to mine, 3 pokemon in common, think i'll use it
low phoenix
Unrelated but how is meow still in ou even tho it’s only viable in one play style and even then it’s kinda mid
stoic iron
Unrelated but how is meow still in ou even tho it’s only viable in one play styl...
idk meow enjoyers just be existin
feel like it’d tear up uu though
timid mango
could be uubl
like meows only redeeming trait is that it has a good grass move
and stab on all of its moves
waterpon outclasses
hot dome
This isn’t the chat for general discussion
timid mango
sure meow is faster
hot dome
Take it to #comp-general
timid mango
im adding to a memesters opinion
hot dome
Yes and this isn’t the channel for it
timid mango
mb
https://pokepast.es/c6bce051ff867c10 ik nugget alr rated it but i would like to see how you see the team and what counters this team has from a diffrent viewpoint
if thats stupid ill delete my message
tacit bluff
to be frank if you build a team around only iron hands sweeping, it's not going ...
That's what I'm sayin 🗣️
Iron hands needs support around it to work, it's scary in a late game when nothing can reliably check it and everything is already at low health
queen smelt
Ill just only play ou with some good stall breakers or not play at all 🤷
tacit bluff
How are you struggling with stall where stall got giga nerfed going into this gen lul
The entire tier is breakers you're fine
Stall isn't unviable sure but it's generally much harder to effectively pilot
This also isn't a convo for this channel
queen smelt
I think I just got ddosed
queen smelt
The entire tier is breakers you're fine
A Corviknight walled my breaker
And was using pp stall
hot dome
This isn't a conversation for this channel, take it to #comp-general
queen smelt
I feel like you ddos attacked me not cool dude. I should move this elsewhere though. Sorry about that. I'm just thinking who could be recently angry at me
humble elk
https://pokepast.es/906f612dea465378 I'm wondering what I can do to improve this team specifically against Moon, but also this team just doesn't feel right for me but maybe its just me idk
faint vortex
https://pokepast.es/906f612dea465378 I'm wondering what I can do to improve this...
You could make your kyurem dd loaded dice, that could help
humble elk
mabe
humble elk
https://pokepast.es/906f612dea465378 I'm wondering what I can do to improve this...
for me this team just feels to slow ig
do I remove the bulky in bulky offesne
humble elk
how so?
low phoenix
Eh this team looks like a fine bulky offense
You have Lando t and zama
Just have to position them well
You can change to rockpon to gambit for a dark/ghost resist though
quartz inlet
this is my specs dpult team need some suggestions :_ https://pokepast.es/5c1c87c4064093ac
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low phoenix
Also if you want a knocker you can switch to mixed valiant over zama
humble elk
You can change to rockpon to gambit for a dark/ghost resist though
ah alr, I guess I'll jsut get more used to slower playstyle
humble elk
Also if you want a knocker you can switch to mixed valiant over zama
oh lol that was on the original version for this team
but rockypons already my knocker
but a 2nd one wont be bad
and I dont really have a good mu against moon
low phoenix
You pretty much have this team lmao
Valiant and Lando should be enough for moon
They’re checks not counters
Im saying valiant can be your knocker instead
Either sd or mixed
Rockpon isn’t really a moon check
quartz inlet
this is my specs dpult team need some suggestions :_ https://pokepast.es/5c1c87c...
i dont have a kyurem switch in
quartz inlet
yeah kyurem just sucks so i am thinking to build my next team around it
tacit bluff
You could slot AV iron crown if it's your biggest annoyance
quartz inlet
should i remove glowking then
cold cosmos
https://pokepast.es/95aa8e2920fbf20b
how to not lose vs a certain ogerpon
willow prairie
terse relic
https://pokepast.es/95aa8e2920fbf20b
how to not lose vs a certain ogerpon
is it wellspring?
because if so i completely see why ur struggling
toss on like freeze-dry
cold cosmos
is it wellspring?
yep
terse relic
toss freeze dry on one of your pokemon
it should be quad effective against wellspring
as long as you outspeed it will probably die
cold cosmos
none of them get it?
terse relic
damn uh
huh
trying to do this without swapping any pokemon
wait
oh damnit i forgot golisopod isnt gen 9
lokix first impression?
tacit bluff
https://pokepast.es/95aa8e2920fbf20b
how to not lose vs a certain ogerpon
you pray
jokes aside
you mostly stack a bunch of pon checks and hope for the best
since there's no reliable counter
terse relic
since there's no reliable counter
wait freeze-dru isnt?
tacit bluff
kyurem ain't running tera ice 🙏
terse relic
what tera does it usually run
tacit bluff
you can offensively answer pon (sometimes) like freeze dry and defensively check it (sometimes) like with pecharunt or sinistcha
but that mon just breaks, everything
terse relic
so basically just pray i can instakill
tacit bluff
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Water Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera: 236-282 (78.4 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
lol
terse relic
wait this sounds insane but freeze-dry articuno or alolan ninetales since wont be dropped to play rough
tacit bluff
the specs sets do run tera ice mind you
but thats such a huge commit and if they call you on the tera with ivy cudgel ur cooked
terse relic
damn
terse relic
was abt to say first impression lokix or golisopod but golisopod isnt in gen 9
tacit bluff
status, a bad MU etc
pecharunt can sorta answer it and malignant chain is annoying
but pecha can't come in repeatedly
sinis also answers all sets that don't have knock off
terse relic
so basically
terse relic
just pray to jesus
terse relic
then its lol
what tera does wellspring use
terse relic
thunderbolt question mark?
terse relic
zapdos maybe?
tacit bluff
and the annoying thing about waterpon is that it gets a special defence boost when you tera
terse relic
oh
tacit bluff
btw wrong channel for this conversation
tacit bluff
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how to not lose vs a certain ogerpon
regardless maybe zapdos over molt cuz its ogerpon mu is marginally better, otherwise this looks good
not weak to it still threatens it with status zamazenta can soft check it sometimes and outspeed to chunk with bpress etc
you could also go with sinistcha over gholdengo
its less threatening but can stick around for much longer
(gholdengo generally better tho)
cold cosmos
regardless maybe zapdos over molt cuz its ogerpon mu is marginally better, other...
thinking kyurem, but cant run lefties on it..
cold cosmos
oh, how about dnite
tacit bluff
hmmm
cold cosmos
bulky dnite set
cold cosmos
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tacit bluff
idt you want that moveset on toxapex ngl
cause otherwise you like
straight up blank into ogerpon
its usually poison jab
iirc
or toxic
low phoenix
dragonite is a solid waterpon check
you can change its moveset to the fat dragon tail one bc this looks to be a hazard stack
also change gold to sinistcha if you really want more insurance vs waterpon
watch out for knock off though
also make sure to abuse hazards so waterpon has a hard time coming on
tacit bluff
yeah
I lowk prefer sinis on these kinds of teams cause its more bulked out than ghold
but its fine
ghold is again much more threatening
make it rain stupid move
low phoenix
more that good as gold is broken af in singles imo
but yea its also good offensively
cold cosmos
its usually poison jab
alr
cold cosmos
you can change its moveset to the fat dragon tail one bc this looks to be a haza...
do you have the set?
or just the one basedlord ctc used
soft nexus
gen9 double ou
tacit bluff
gen9 double ou
DOU goes in a different channel
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also use pokepaste pls
barren ridge
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royal oyster
could iron moth be played more tanky like in a balance or something of that kind of pace?
tacit bluff
not really
its typing is terrible defensively and it doesn't have neither the moves nor stats to act as a bulky attacker
or ability for that matter
also not the channel this is for rates pls
royal oyster
also not the channel this is for rates pls
oh my bad I thought I was in the other channel 😅 thanks
tacit bluff
nw
royal oyster
nw
yesterday you helped me a bit with my iron hand team, you and the clodsire fan gave me lot of stuff to think about, I have more question if you don't mind. You said that rilla choice band was superior but with it, it needs to come in often and take sr damage plus his own dmg + rocky helmet. It's difficult to keep alive which I may need later for a iron hand sweep. Are there only two set of rillaboom ? Or maybe do you think it's fine and I have to play around it with wish pass and stuff
I have a hard time evaluating how important some things are
maybe I don't even need rillaboom to make a more balance kind of team with iron hand
tacit bluff
its more like
the niche that rilla fills
is that of a banded breaker
its only trying to facililate other mons on dedicated grassy terrain offence teams
which is where it differs from its role in doubles as a bulky attacker/utility mon
in singles its the only one exploiting its terrain most of the time
royal oyster
I only put rilla with iron hand because I thought it was a mandatory partner
tacit bluff
not rly
royal oyster
so I didn"'t thought of if I need a dedicated grass team or something
tacit bluff
iron hands isn't necessarily mandatory with anything
its moreso realising where iron hands can be effective and thats why you'd use it
royal oyster
its moreso realising where iron hands can be effective and thats why you'd use i...
yeah
tacit bluff
like its a mon with a niche in the tier but getting the most use out of it is the tough part
or basically its UUBL not OU for a reason
royal oyster
I really like it and find it effective he won me so many game, I don't feel like he is that bad
I can see he is not as powerful
as ogerpon w
still
anyway
tacit bluff
its not that its bad its that you're kinda asking to have a team that facililates it as the primary win con when its not rly good in that role
because its so flawed as a primary win con
royal oyster
yeah I will try to move away from that, I realise he can be useful on his own too
tacit bluff
it works well alonsgide other win cons that can clear a path for it or vice versa where it tries to break through things that check your other win cons
royal oyster
like I'm trying to make more use of him in game and I see it works
so I'm starting to see it's not necessarey to build everything for him
tacit bluff
yeah its moreso meant to be a piece of a larger puzzle
royal oyster
and it was flawed anyway, the game where it died I was like okay im doomed
tacit bluff
same applies to something like latias
its good when its not being relied on as the sole win con
hot dome
no mon is good as a solo win con
tacit bluff
it works in HO teams where everything is a wincon
hot dome
*no balanced mon
royal oyster
yeah
tacit bluff
well yeah but what I mean is for instance something like kingambit can act as a primary wincon and the rest of the team can make said job easier or be secondary win cons
its not operating in isolation its just the main thing you'll be using to clear games when you've dealt with its checks
doing the same thing for iron hands is just much harder
its coverage is, frankly weak and unlike kingambit who is slow but has priority, iron hands lacks it
royal oyster
I really like it and tried alomola like you said since it's the best wish pass and yeah it's much better than screamtail
tacit bluff
yeah alo is good
alo can also be a decent threat in its own right
mirror coat funny
royal oyster
I think when I did the team a while ago I got destroyed by raging bolt and got pissed
xD
like few time in a row
that's why I tried to add other stuff
royal oyster
mirror coat funny
sounds pretty good with tera 😮
you could surprise kill many of your counters
if you need
even if you shouldn't need that
tacit bluff
yeah it can catch people off guard
since most people in my experience except the wish pass set
royal oyster
I was resistant to the idea of adding grass sweeper because I didn't want to make it an ho
I like game that are a bit slower
anyway
I'm a bit more clear on what I want to do now
royal oyster
since most people in my experience except the wish pass set
it can't wish with mirror coat 😮
that's a tough trade
royal oyster
https://pokepast.es/d9b433607cb86fab @tacit bluff do you think something like this looks better ? I added sd rilla the mirror coat alo, added dragapult as speed control and possible win con. Rilla with choice band is much more useful than before it's night and day with tera I can OHKO ogerpon wxith grassy glide
I'm sure I can"'t deal with like many many sets but I'm just starting trying to build, already Amovenus contrary is a problem 😅; At least it may make more sense now !
alpine furnace
Is clawitser even in SV?
hot dome
This channel isn’t for showcasing teams, and if you are unwilling to improve/scrap the team please do not send it here
clever rover
Is clawitser even in SV?
It is
What is the definition of fun for a team? It ain’t fun unless it’s sheist like revavroom in OU or power construct Zygarde-10% in national dex AAA
inland remnant
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low phoenix
https://pokepast.es/0643c0828ca9c0ec Hi, I'm willing to improve this team but I...
fine team, you can give psyshock to gholdengo to beat stall though
over recover
or make it rain
inland remnant
thx, i'll give it a try as I dont click recover that much
cold cosmos
fine team, you can give psyshock to gholdengo to beat stall though
idk, kinda looks like it loses to pult
inland remnant
pult is tricky to handle yeah but I have some options to deal with
for example if ceruledge is at +2 Atk
i can shadow sneak
if not shadow sneak + TClap does the job
dragonite with multiscale can revenge kill too
and i changed Raging Bolt's tera type to tera fairy
cold cosmos
dragonite with multiscale can revenge kill too
ddarts
inland remnant
he's tera fly 80% of the time
252 Atk Choice Band Dragapult Dragon Darts (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Tera Flying Dragonite: 181-216 (56 - 66.8%) -- approx. 2HKO
inland remnant
I didnt see much pult on the ladder for now so I cant really tell if I'm struggling or not
but the few I saw, they were manageable bc ceruledge was already set up with SD and Weak Armor
however zamazenta is a pain to deal with
inland remnant
Change Ceru ledge to iron valiant
which set do u think would fit the best ?
cold cosmos
low phoenix
https://pokepast.es/b1a0c64d429b6b66
Not a fan of scarf hamurott on this team
Prob change it to a ting Lu to address your dark/ghost weakness and make great tusk knock off
cold cosmos
Prob change it to a ting Lu to address your dark/ghost weakness and make great t...
i won't have a water type then
low phoenix
which set do u think would fit the best ?
ProbBly swords dance
Since you look like you could use a physical attacker
And give ghold a bulky set
And change iron treads to another sweeper like iron moth
low phoenix
i won't have a water type then
What are u using a water type for
Scarf is a bulky offense set when your team looks to be balance
cold cosmos
alright. ill use av then.
cold cosmos
I’m saying change hamurott to ting lu
alright, but ill lose to ogrepon then
low phoenix
Ogerpon beats hamurott anyways
You have dragapult and zapdos
That’s about as good as you’ll get to checking waterpon in balance tbh
cold cosmos
i see.
inland remnant
And change iron treads to another sweeper like iron moth
Am I not too weak to hazards if i dont have a spinner ?
but thx for the tips, i'll definitely try
inland remnant
And change iron treads to another sweeper like iron moth
i changed glimmora for great tusk + what u said and did 11W-3L i think we're good
low phoenix
Still keep glimmora
As your lead
Ho generally has a lead that sets stuff then dies
But yea glad my advice helped
clever rover
https://pokepast.es/e775ef4d0f426f34
I need some shit to fuck webs and HO in general so here I am with scarf lando and teal pon
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https://pokepast.es/544f00114dea24bc
I have been tinkering with this team for a while, it's a latios bulky offense
low phoenix
https://pokepast.es/e775ef4d0f426f34
I need some shit to fuck webs and HO in ge...
does scarf lando work in balance
?
its usually used on bulky offense
inland remnant
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i'm not sure I'm using the best sets on each pokemons, for example should i go with a more offensive Cinderace ?
what I'm looking for is to pivot with lando/cinderace/slowking to Kyurem and Zamazenta, throw a powerful attack then switch out
and kingambit for the late game
clever rover
does scarf lando work in balance
Maybe it doesn’t, but I just wanna build a team around lando and tealpon
jagged hill
What should I change about this team?
https://pokepast.es/554f639f701ba656
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low phoenix
What should I change about this team?
https://pokepast.es/554f639f701ba656
Change pult to another sweeper
Maybe loaded dice Kyurem
low phoenix
@clever rover if you really wanna be sheist I feel like you can add taunt on one of your mons
Ogerpon ting Lu and gliscor get it
No one expects taunt on these mons 99% of the time so you shut down araquanid who thinks he has free webs
Not as sheist but deo s can be used over one of your speed control
It gets taunt too
tacit bluff
I mean
All 3 of those don't like being in front of araq
Gliscor gets bodied by surf/liquidation and oger fears bug stab
Meanwhile ting lu just doesn't rly touch it
Granted if you wanna trade to prevent webs from going up that's up to you
dapper vault
No one expects taunt on these mons 99% of the time so you shut down araquanid wh...
use taunt to lose these mons against araq 👍
low phoenix
Yea that’s why I said it was sheist
IMO trading a mon is worth it if you can shut down webs
clever rover
Boots oger goes hard vs webs anyways
cold cosmos
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umbral cipher
https://pokepast.es/ace5dc4252a2992b i tried building a pecharunt team but i couldnt really decide the last 2 pokemon also this team is weak to fire and especially iron moth
jagged hill
Maybe loaded dice Kyurem
Tweaked it a little: https://pokepast.es/554f639f701ba656
low phoenix
i just said to change pult to another sweeper lmao
specs pult is an offense/bulky offense set
elder knoll
I’ve been having some trouble against the combination of Kyreum and Glowking
I used the offensive Lando set to take advantage of Gambit
Cause Lando switching in normally forces a Gambit swap unless they want to tera
So it lets me click sub and whack whatever wants to come in
clever rover
https://pokepast.es/705ec85cd6fcc987
ok… can somebody give me a full rate on this team… i wanna keep tealpon and scarf lando
sleek moth
looks pretty good except you should get more special attackers
your whole team gets walled by dondozo once ogerpon is down
humble elk
Rockpon isn’t really a moon check
ohh slr... thank you
I was also considering swapping zam out for gambit
but I think I'll keep it unotuched
i'll add valiant instead of rocky
also the sets r more standard so its easuer to play
https://pokepast.es/d664900ecafb2a32 I got this now
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humble elk
mainly just wanted someone to help tweak my lando spread
cuz like
I want it to be tankier
and slower u turn tbh
is that fine?
cold cosmos
faint vortex
Got a rate some time last week, but this team has been incredibly weaksauce. Any feedback would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/165e51dc997b5842
hot dome
https://pokepast.es/ad4f6ba92cc5c0a4
-double hazard weak attackers
-no removers
Bruh
hot dome
Unfortunately wogerpon cannot run boots
cold cosmos
Unfortunately wogerpon cannot run boots
is wogre hazard weak?
huh alr
do u have any kyurem wogre teams
i just need one
hot dome
No unfortunately
cold cosmos
No unfortunately
do you think they can synergise well?
tacit bluff
is wogre hazard weak?
Wogre hates hazards
hot dome
Eh not particularly since they’re both semi slowish breakers
tacit bluff
It's not weak to rocks but the fact that it gets effected by every single hazard sucks
hot dome
I struggle to see why you’d want to run both when one does the breaking job just fine
cold cosmos
Eh not particularly since they’re both semi slowish breakers
ah, alright. i thought so too.
cold cosmos
I struggle to see why you’d want to run both when one does the breaking job just...
they got the highest rating in the tiering survey. i want to abuse both of them together cause im really like that mwahahahahaha
tacit bluff
I love that Ogerpon is "Semi slowish" at 110 base speed, what a tier
cold cosmos
It's not weak to rocks but the fact that it gets effected by every single hazard...
true
cold cosmos
they got the highest rating in the tiering survey. i want to abuse both of them ...
also i thought they could help break each others checks, like some stall thing like sinistcha (with kyurem) and blissey with wogre
hot dome
Stall can just switch yknow
tacit bluff
Stall is a MU where you wanna try to punish passivity
Which includes switching
So knockers would probably be better for that MU
hot dome
Anyways Kyurem waterpon core is probably fine on some fucked up webs ho but not on this team
Your balance mu isn’t nearly poor enough to warrant both
humble elk
https://pokepast.es/d664900ecafb2a32 I got this now
can anyone check this team? I've been tweaking it for a while after playing matches with it
og version had diff lando spread nmi kyu and rockypon over valiant
I put valiant over rockypon cuz moon
i mean is there anything to say abt the team or am I just a stinker
prolly js need to get used to it
tacit bluff
I'll give my thoughts cuz I'm a bit short on time rn but while I think it's ok I feel you lack a fair bit of firepower
You only have rocks to help your damage output and no spinblockers either, while cinderace can somewhat alleviate this it entirely depends on what team your facing
But I tend to play more towards offence anyway and you do have zama and kyurem so it should be fine
But I'd maybe go with gliscor over Lando it's a knock absorber once toxic orb procs and if you choose to run the sd set you can exert more pressure, although I'd go with stealth rocks knock off eq and protect instead
Knock gives you more long term progress and also allows a potential court change to be more effective against bootspam
humble elk
You only have rocks to help your damage output and no spinblockers either, while...
thats true, I did notice a need for a blocker
I'll try gliscor
but I could add a spinblocker somewhere
fuckk team building is frustrating
chat do I shoot this team
and make a new one
low phoenix
i thought this was bulky offense not balance
tacit bluff
You don't rly need a spinblocker for BO it's ok
You can slot sinis or ghold for another attacker or pecharunt for pivoting
round portal
peak psyspam https://pokepast.es/3eae4206e25097e0
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peak psyspam https://pokepast.es/3eae4206e25097e0
use psychic seed blaze
lefties is fine too
round portal
I feel like getting the first swords dance is pretty easy anyways
hot dome
peak psyspam https://pokepast.es/3eae4206e25097e0
This is a decent psyspam though it’s kinda weak to hamurott (but there’s not much you can do to circumvent that ngl)
I will warn you that psyspam in general is extremely fishy and you will not find consistent success with it
alpine hornet
This is a decent psyspam though it’s kinda weak to hamurott (but there’s not muc...
eh there’s some u can do
some scarf uturner/volt switcher + some helmet mon is an excellent lead hamu denier
takes up a couple slots but all psyspam really needs is poltea + crown/deo
hot dome
Lead hamu can die t1 and it’s still done its job if there’s a single spike up
Your best bet is lead maus and force it out then don’t let it back in easily
And also a scarfer on psyterrain is such a waste
alpine hornet
Lead hamu can die t1 and it’s still done its job if there’s a single spike up
i mean if it dies to helmet it doesnt even get the spike up
hot dome
You’re strapped for team slots as is
alpine hornet
And also a scarfer on psyterrain is such a waste
perhaps
hot dome
i mean if it dies to helmet it doesnt even get the spike up
What helmet Mon? None fit on psyterrain
alpine hornet
ive been running scarf meow + helmet zama psyspam to decent success lately
hot dome
Never cook again
alpine hornet
😔
alpine furnace
Scarf meow?
round portal
Your best bet is lead maus and force it out then don’t let it back in easily
Ya usually I do that
tacit bluff
Scarf meow?
fake aaa set
faint vortex
Hey all, need help with this team that I got rated a little back. fell flat on its face tbh. any advice is appreciated. https://pokepast.es/c3ad5a869fc6e2de
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Well the problem is pretty apparent
It's bulky hazard stack
With 3 dark types 😭
Especially when 2 of them are pretty frail and you just end up stacking a ton of weaknesses
I'm not the best with bulkier teams but this I don't think having those two to comprise your team's otherwise good MU into zamazenta is a great idea
faint vortex
I'm not the best with bulkier teams but this I don't think having those two to c...
That is something I've been struggling with. Triple dark seems to work on HO solely. Anything I can do to change this?
tacit bluff
You'd need to make some swaps but tbh I'd let someone more experienced with these teams rate this
low phoenix
Hey all, need help with this team that I got rated a little back. fell flat on i...
If you’re using darkspam bo use pecharunt, it blanks zama and fairies better than cha
Darkrais role overlaps with weavile, idk what to change it to yet but I’ll tell u later
Defog corviknight is counterproductive when it removes your own hazards too when you’re trying to hazard stack
silent hemlock
https://pokepast.es/3d240693c0d60ca9
Latios team I used a bit earlier, I think it's pretty good but theres stuff I'm iffy on. Curious if maybe swapping hamu or lando for ting lu and maybe changing the latios and zama set but any input would be nice
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I learnt Slither Wing was B
https://pokepast.es/c18459bcade873d9
tacit bluff
yeah slither wing is decent
albeit I think lokix tends to do its job a bit better
the first impression spamming part anyway
slither wing has the upside of not dropping to every hit
faint vortex
Darkrais role overlaps with weavile, idk what to change it to yet but I’ll tell ...
So I go Tusk/Treads instead of corv. Maybe try another scarfer but don't know which one
hot dome
Defog corviknight is counterproductive when it removes your own hazards too when...
Defog corv is fine on these hazard stack teams because of their general fat cores which allows them to be more liberal with their hazar dstacking
fair quest
Ran this team from 1300-1700 and after winning a game from a stone edge miss I believe its time for more testing or a change
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double rocks
tawny olive
https://pokepast.es/470827d403188071
I've been trying to make a good Latios team, so I came up with this Latios balance with Tinkaton
silent hemlock
https://pokepast.es/3d6a987c2cd9ccf1 I am like 0-8 to random ass setup sweepers what is wrong what am I missing how am I supposed to beat sinistcha lol
cold cosmos
pretty simple
ur using non-pivot glowking with mons that'd really appreciate pivot
i cant comment more, i cant find stuff wrong with pokemon in a team, just the sets lol
inland remnant
https://pokepast.es/3d6a987c2cd9ccf1 I am like 0-8 to random ass setup sweepers ...
yea go hdb + chilly reception on Glowking and abuse it to in your sweepers
alpine furnace
Really liking this dark spam BO team. I've already recieved help on it but I'm mostly sending this time to see of there could be any improvements or alternatives. Or is the smaller stuff something I have to figure out.
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alpine furnace
Might go lowkick on gambit > ironhead. Havent been using it that much and most relevant fairies are beaten by glowking and tera poison darkrai
low phoenix
Pecha and glow king kinda overlap tbh, just choose one
You can give darkrai Psy shock outside sludge bomb for the stall matchup
And change Pecha/glow king to something like raging bolt
cold cosmos
Pecha and glow king kinda overlap tbh, just choose one
^
alpine furnace
Cm or pivot?
Also without glowking, isnt cm iron val a bit of a problem or are we good against that.
Also ive decided to use raging bolt > glowking cuz...I hate ogerpon w
tacit bluff
I mean
Depends on the spread I think
It's not taking it super well
Its physical bulk goes hard but its special bulk is just kinda ok
low phoenix
Yea but in an emergency it can take a shadow ball
Adjusting Evs could be a good idea tho
I wanted to build a hazard stack team around hydriegon but it feels weird not being able to make progress vs flying types but idk who else to make my spiker so
I can prob run a ting Lu Skarm core but then I’d have 3 dark types on my team
Or maybe switch meow to Ogerp on too
fair quest
Also ive decided to use raging bolt > glowking cuz...I hate ogerpon w
Watch for play rough jittleyang
Bomb with draco on sight!
alpine furnace
Watch for play rough jittleyang
If its play rough it loses to pecharunt
Unless it already sets up sd in which case I just cry and hope thunderclap ko's
cold cosmos
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plain laurel
faint vortex
Defog corv is fine on these hazard stack teams because of their general fat core...
Right. Now just to figure out the rest
weary kestrel
https://pokepast.es/0b4aa7ed445cfbf0
Lowkey curious what I can improve on this team
I had Gholdengo earlier but swapped to perchaunt to soak up poison spikes
I also don't feel im getting that much value out of great tusk but it could be the set or me
sleek moth
i would probably remove sucker punch from samurott since you have kingambit
and use aqua cutter or razor shell instead
tawny olive
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eager plaza
I tried making decidueye-h viable with upperhand to counter sucker punch kingambit, tera normal extreme speed dragonite (also surviving a +1 extreme speed dnite), gholdengo with triple arrows and also trained to survive any ghold attack, cinderace too killing it with a tera fighting choice band triple arrows and also barely surviving pyro ball with no tera but big chance to kill so you can tera fighting to survive pyro ball and kill with triple arrows
to mention it is so strong with choice band that tera fighting triple arrows could potentially kill tera normal dnite with multiscale active
low phoenix
Upper hand on band is sheist
But it’s WAYYYYYYYYY to prediction reliant for me to like it tbh
eager plaza
Maybe I need to remove band for av/other item since it already flinches anyway
chilly marten
https://pokepast.es/37ba9d0807ea15da
Was inspired by a Band Lokix and Specs Crown core I saw on SPL, wanted to try and build a team around it. (I’m a little stuck around the mid 1300s to mid 1400s range)
I added Kyurem to have something to take Ogerpon-W stab and hit bulky water types hard instead of just having volt switch.
Moltres is there to attempt to punish fast U-turns and another way to cripple Gambit, and also Zamazenta
I think there’s a speed problem, and maybe a ghost type but I’d rather not have another dark weak
trail whale
https://pokepast.es/37ba9d0807ea15da
Was inspired by a Band Lokix and Specs Cro...
Iron Moth looks scary
low phoenix
Mola could be assault vest to check moth
chilly marten
That could work, I do like wish to improve the offensive mons longevity (especially Lokix and Kyurem).
Usually the thing I do that consistently beats Moth is if they switch onto Mola or Molt, I can slow pivot into Crown. The issue is that Crown is almost always forced to tera, but Psychic Noise does hit through sub so it almost always wins. It’s pretty situation specific. And I’ll have to do hard pivoting if it switches into something like Lokix. It’s a little problematic
hot dome
you don't need two breakers
or ig three with ddance kyurem
your only speed control is lokix which is... unreliable at the best of times, and you have no spdef pivots/walls
chilly marten
I could try the AV mola that was recommended
Also pivot Dragapult doesn’t seem too bad in place of Kyurem since it is a fast pivot and can use thunder wave to cripple speedy mons (however that makes a third dark weak pokemon, at least Tusk and Moltres can take Gambit well)
Lokix covers Darkrai and Moon well too
coral vortex
hi OU
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runic nebula
This channel isn’t for theme teams
sharp herald
Ah
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elder knoll
I’d like to be able to swap in a Ghost and have Gapdos be banded
I’m not sure if that’s possible in the setup I have currently though
tacit bluff
man enam tears this team to smithereens
only waterpon and alo can check it and even then ogerpon can't switch in
regardless gapdos and latios are flawed mons unfort
they have good traits but its hard to get much use out of the former and its hard to justify the latter
elder knoll
yeah Latios is definitely replaceable
the main reason I chose was because it hits hard while having a decent defensive profile
but like it matches up badly into Darkrai, Dhengo, and Enam without Tera
tacit bluff
Mhmmm
Yeah latios is a tough pick
Latias is generally better in the tier but it's also more specific tbh and it wouldn't work here
Latias has one niche and one niche only and it's an all or nothing double dance stored power sweeper
Idk I'd maybe go with pult over latios? Specs sets have some nasty breaking power
tacit bluff
Oh why ty
Regardless this is a pretty solid team albeit there's a couple things that are just kinda weird for me most notably, banded zamazenta
Whilst I do see the logic, it's attack stat is pretty scary especially with investment and the band, it's already naturally fast and somewhat difficult to remove, my issue comes the fact that it's forcing zamazenta to switch a lot and also hindering it's bad MUs
If they figure out you're banded, it can mean that zama doesn't end up checking the things it's supposed to answer
For instance kingambit who otherwise is entirely losing barring a Tera can set up in front of it for free if zamazenta locks into stone edge
tacit bluff
Ebelt or lefties yeah
Boots works too
Lorb is cool for the extra damage but for me I rly don't like how it chews into zamas longevity
The best part about zamazenta for me is that it's an attacker that's difficult to remove
Ebelt if you're looking for the damage imo
Another thing is that pon looks kinda scary, maybe zapdos works better over gholdengo since ur not really exploiting hazards and it's less vulnerable to the aforementioned pon, while still spreading twave and threatening good damage with hurricane and discharge
Alternatively pecharunt works but it's less safe into pon imo
warm storm
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cold cosmos
Another thing is that pon looks kinda scary, maybe zapdos works better over ghol...
i placed dragooner just for the wogre MU tbh
cold cosmos
https://pokepast.es/0eb9ebfcd7893f2d rmt
looked pretty standard and then there was a skarmory. oof.
tacit bluff
i placed dragooner just for the wogre MU tbh
Yeah that helps but play rough can be scawy
dapper vault
https://pokepast.es/0eb9ebfcd7893f2d rmt
looks like 90% of the ou teams man
cold cosmos
low phoenix
https://pokepast.es/dba604048af1b45a
Based 6 boot spam
But fr you got a hazard stack without a knocker
Or any way to break bulkier teams
Change pult to swords dance gliscor so you can force progress vs fatter teams and have a knock off absorber
I’d say change mola to sinistcha for a spinblocker + better wogerpon matchup but if you really want to keep mola drop moltres for sinistcha and make zama Tera steel
worn berry
late vessel
Need help optimizing by baby. I know the team sucks, but I’ve gone eleven straight without losing since building it which I’ve never done before. I want to optimize it as much as possible for high ladder. Only non negotiable things are it being sun and the Entei. Feel free to change anything else.
https://pokepast.es/089a8ff9bdcbf080
jagged hill
https://pokepast.es/a4c265542c6d1c9c decided to make a balance team. Looking for criticism
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clever rover
https://pokepast.es/a4c265542c6d1c9c decided to make a balance team. Looking for...
Phantom force dragapult is cheeks
This ain’t balance, seems more offense to me ngl
You are also missing evs on glowking so yeah
jagged hill
You are also missing evs on glowking so yeah
Currently updating my team. What would you recommend?
cold cosmos
I’d say change mola to sinistcha for a spinblocker + better wogerpon matchup but...
i feel a better idea would be to go pech for pult and replace glowking for something
no?
tacit bluff
Phantom force dragapult is cheeks
It's a legit move
Phys pult genuinely has nothing and it allows it to have physical ghost stab without committing Tera
It's obviously not a great move but if you've cleaned up all ghost resists that move doesn't rly have a drawback
Who cares if it's two turns nothing is switching into it
Granted on band pult it's dicey
It's not a move you wanna lock into
cold cosmos
@low phoenix this maybe? https://pokepast.es/6ea75cb64b940c05
heady urchin
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elder knoll
I’ve revised my Gapdos balance a bit
I’m a little worried now because I’ve stacked 3 fighting types
I also feel like Tera-ghost Mola might be a better fit than Pech
low phoenix
<@400066280083947542> this maybe? https://pokepast.es/6ea75cb64b940c05
Looks solid, although y can go weavile over zamazenta for a better gliscor matchup and another knocker
low phoenix
https://pokepast.es/139e6519a0f6d27e
Electric terrain is super niche to begin with and you’re not exactly using the best mons to abuse it
There was an electric terrain team that a top player used in a previous tournament and won with if I find it I’ll link it to you
cold cosmos
Looks solid, although y can go weavile over zamazenta for a better gliscor match...
cool idea, thanks