#SV OU Rates

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subtle plover
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damn

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how would I make a team centered around base necrozma

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was thinking of psychic terrain

low phoenix
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I honestly have no clue as I’ve never used necrozma in a serious team

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I’m guessing hyper offense or trick room cuz the only times I’ve really seen necrozma is in trick room

subtle plover
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is that because automotize is banned

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and dragon dance is too slow

fluid nimbus
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quick question, is neutralizing gas for weezing-galar ever worth it instead of levitate in the current meta ?

barren ridge
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this is not the place for asking questions like that, this channel is only intended for having teams rated. If you have questions about OU you can consult the strategy dex and see what is viable and has analyses or you can ask your question in #comp-general or #comp-general-2 if you couldn't find a definitive answer on the dex or forums resources

fluid nimbus
viscid mist
rancid shale
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bump

formal tartan
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let me take a look (i also am completely new)

formal tartan
tacit bluff
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Preferably don't give feedback if you're not too experienced with the tier yourself

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Great tusk can operate perfectly fine without protosynthesis, that's not the issue here

formal tartan
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thats crazy if great tusk is stronger than other choices even without an ability....

tacit bluff
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for being an HO team, this is weirdly slow paced

Palafin is generally not the best on HO, since its a momentum sink on its first switch in, whilst it can work, this set isn't helping it out here and would be worn down pretty quick by wave crash recoil, its role overlaps heavily with ogerpon here so not sure if its necessary, you should probably drop it for a dedicated lead

Comfey isn't particularly good, while it has a perfectly valid niche, its reliance on tera hampers it and stored power is a cool tech in theory its pretty matchup dependent and comfey would want some support around it. you can keep it but if you want fairy type special attacker enamorus or Iron Valiant is generally more consistent, you could even go with hatterene for extra hazard control although I wouldn't recommend it considering this team already has a bit of a speed problem

ceruledge is, fine, I'm personally not a huge fan of it with how good zamazenta is and how easily it serves as setup food for zamazenta who can roar you out or just click crunch. I would be careful with it tho since it necessitates keeping hazards off the field and tusk is fine in that role but you may want extra support around it. I'd consider swapping it for iron moth or smth

Great tusk is ok but the set is a little weird, I'd rather you made it offensive bulk up with booster energy to give it some sting in its step alongside its role of hazard control. its also your only hazard setter which I'm not the biggest fan of since HO likes to set hazards early and having it as both your hazard setter (meaning you wanna lead with it or have it out in the early game) and your only hazard control (generally saved for the later game) a bit clashing

so tldr, this isn't bad for a first attempt but I'd swap palafin for an HO lead and make the changes mentioned above

alternatively you can swap ogerpon for a webs setter lead and make some different changes, like swapping ceruledge for gholdengo, it also helps out Comfey who has a somewhat middling speed tier.

hope this helps!

hot dome
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Comfey doesn’t even have a niche atp im ngl

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Ceruledge isn’t very good either I’m ngl maybe could work on a team built around it but this team is not that

tacit bluff
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C tier

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It's rly only on webs tho and even then it's a bit eh

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It can be pretty threatening but it's a massive Tera hog

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Latias is generally a better stored power sweeper

formal tartan
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could someone rate my first team

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it went 4-0 yesterday

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or 4-1 maybe

low phoenix
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But it’s very confused with mons that want to fit in different play styles

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Like life org weavile being hyper offense and Mola in balance//bulky offense and tyranitar in sand

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And g weezing on fat

formal tartan
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id like to fit rillaboom for grassy surge

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maybe gyarados for intim and twave

tacit bluff
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gyara is not good in sv ou

low phoenix
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if you use rillaboom you usually need to build around it

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as nocturne said gyara is not viable

formal tartan
tacit bluff
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thats not a very good reflection of its meta viability

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anything gets by at 1100 its bottom ladder

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it can't work well as an offensive nor defensive piece

runic nebula
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1100 you can usually win by your opponent self-destructing

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Because typically your opponent’s team has a lot of flaws (if they don’t they’re likely using samples or its ladder tour/suspect test), and their way of winning often times relies on you either playing poorly or just having a bad team.

viscid mist
regal ginkgoBOT
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hot dome
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which doesn't really gel together well

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lo pult isnt good, if you want to have a special attacking pult use specs and if you want to use wisp pult use mixed

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maushold just isn't good too prone to being rked/taken out/blowing up into rocky helmet

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uturn ogepron is good but not on hyper offense (which this is since you have a suicide lead in glimmora)

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i would swap ogerpon to the swords dance set, replace dragapult with speed booster iron moth (needed for a specila attacker + tspikes absorber), and then maushold with kingambit for priority + ghost resist

fluid nimbus
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just Standard Balance team ^

exotic vault
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True Crown sounds like a great idea!

tepid hazel
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https://pokepast.es/1f927d67a624bc3d thoughts? very very new to SV OU and kind of just threw together a bunch of mons. Think BU Palafin/defensive Tusk/Specs Kyurem is a good core because Tusk keeps the hazards off for those other two and Kyurem can handle Oger-W and massively threaten other physical walls but beyond that I'm a bit lost. Aiming for a bit of BO/Balance style. Any advice appreciated :)

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my thought process for the other three was Lando-T gives a Ground immune, rocks, and forms a pivot core with Crown, I went offensive bc I didn't think I needed another bulky physical tank and it just punches hard bc people don't expect it, AV Crown blanket checks a lot of special threats such as Valiant and is a nice pivot, and Scarfrai is because I wanted speed control and a Ghost resist

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but by no means set on any of these picks

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I definitely think this is Ghold weak but uncertain how you really solve that, not sure if solution is maybe running Ting instead of Lando-T and going from there or even AV Hoopa-U or something

barren ridge
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This thread is for SV OU singles

subtle plover
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sorry

exotic vault
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Specs Blizzard with Tera Ice and the big defense boost is 👀

mortal edge
regal ginkgoBOT
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fluid nimbus
hot dome
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Especially on hyper offense, where you should usually be running zero

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Honestly this team is unfortunately unviable, ursaluna is way too slow for Glimmora hyper offense + that set is unviable while maushold is kinda bad in general, while crown, Rillaboom, and hamurott are all decent mons in their own right but not while on Glimmora hyper offenses and especially not while choiced

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I would recommend using sample teams to learn the common structures of hyper offense teams, you can find them here

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!gen9ousamples

regal ginkgoBOT
formal tartan
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id love a team with heatran and mamoswine..

hot dome
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not the place to ask for teams

tepid hazel
tacit bluff
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I'd just be careful of ogerpon

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you don't rly have a great way of answering it

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kyurem can work in a pinch but ogerpon outspeeds and kyurem doesn't wanna come in on it

tepid hazel
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yeah that's definitely the biggest issue

tacit bluff
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hmmm

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I'm thinking raging bolt could be a decent option but even then oger has answers

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oger is particularly susceptible to hazards, you could have scarf hamu over darkrai to bolster said hazard stack and then swap kyurem for raging bolt

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generally you don't wanna stack too many choiced mons

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And raging bolt fills the role of big scary dragon special attacker whilst carrying priority

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But then you'd also want a ghost type

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You can wait for a second opinion if you want

tepid hazel
regal ginkgoBOT
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tepid hazel
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I think this team will struggle with Valiant tho

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Gambit seems kind of annoying too

alpine hornet
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sz’s bandpult bandkix squad has 4 iirc

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and is still solid

rancid shale
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yeah, but that’s because lokix and pult are broken

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source: i have played exclusively webs for the last 2 weeks

fluid nimbus
fluid nimbus
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ps: if garticuno is really the concern, could always picture latias fulfilling the same role as him, with the team in the exact same way as it is*

north nimbus
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Imma be real as much as a shi mom garticuno is I would say the best approach to use it would be screens ho rather then some obscure balance offense

fluid nimbus
north nimbus
fluid nimbus
# north nimbus same thing

hm i just find that focusing the team around screens slows the pace up setting it up + giving it away the identity of it. Instead of being a surprise factor

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like i could switch garticuno for latias with nearly same moveset, and ceruledge for dragapult with screens

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like switching latias for garticuno is definitely better to make the team more viable, but relying on screens is what I think would shift too much

north nimbus
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I mean it’s going to be a given regardless since the best way to use garticuno is wp tho given the lack of screens makes it harder to effectively set up as reliable

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Tho then again if you use screens you would go for tales just to not waste as much turn due to using something as garticuno otherwise yeah that Mon is just bad

proper citrus
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wondering if this is any good.

regal ginkgoBOT
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fluid nimbus
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would you say draining kiss over aura sphere to help have more sustain while still hitting dark types

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and as for tera do you know which would be ideal?

north nimbus
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I think you may have misunderstood me when I said that latias and garticuno should be in some type of screens ho

runic nebula
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What even forces progress with this?

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Feels like you’d need an HO playstyle to accomplish what you want to accomplish

fluid nimbus
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understood, so considering the remaining of the team

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ignoring the stored power gimmick

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the team is still proving to be very solid in the ladder

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in the 1600 elo range already with it

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what would you subsitute

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instead of latias/garticuno in this team comp?

proper citrus
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that seems really good.

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i am just around 1700 myself.

hot dome
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It’s not, please don’t give advice if you aren’t experienced in the tier

fluid nimbus
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its the first team of my own that i am reaching near 1700 elo without using from someone else

proper citrus
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with the new team

hot dome
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This team is a bit split in play styles since you have two hyper offense mons (Ceruledge, Latias) and then a solid balance core

fluid nimbus
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@runic nebula what would you add for that slot if you dont mind sharing

fluid nimbus
hot dome
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(Though I will caution hstack balance isn’t the best these days)

runic nebula
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I don’t play SV myself but I would probably forego the bulky mons + maybe meow and go towards HO

hot dome
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That’s also an option

runic nebula
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Because for Stored Power to work against decent players using decent teams you’re going to need to have progress made before trying to outright win

hot dome
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Actually now that I look at this the core gets a little more iffy since it’s crippling weak to Wogerpon and doesn’t have a great mu into other threats like tusk but wtv that’s why you have two more slots

fluid nimbus
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oh

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but i meant like removing the stored powered mon from the team tho

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and maintain the balance aspect

runic nebula
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If you’re going balance I would probably get rid of Ceruledge

fluid nimbus
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it was the best dragapult check in the team

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  • corviknight
fluid nimbus
hot dome
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Drop gweezing dedicate to the hazard stack with boots mola, you need a wogerpon check so something like sinistcha could work, you need spikes for hstack (but honestly I’d swap rocks for spikes on ting lu and then run a rocker like clef?), and then last slot is another offensive threat that complements meowscarada

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Could legitimately be Latios if you want to run the worse cousin, specs is probably solid

fluid nimbus
hot dome
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Ehh

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Not really, doesn’t cover for any mus you struggle with already

frozen spoke
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Defensive core of Ting Lu + Moltres + Slowbro

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Kyurem for wallbreaking

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Ogerpon-W for offensive pivot

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And then Palafin for wallbreaker + setup sweeper

compact owl
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Hi, can someone please rate my team. It really struggles against ghost types in general as the only ghost resist is very frail and constantly takes hazards on switch in, making it unreliable:

https://pokepast.es/9893b02ca8629ff0

regal ginkgoBOT
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fluid nimbus
tacit bluff
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Scarf meow is fine

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If the problem is ghosts the fact that it beats pult is pretty nice

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Boots meow can do the same with sucker punch sure but it depends on the pult set

fluid nimbus
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mostly cause he said he isnt enjoying the hazards meow is taking on switch ins

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but you can always be better preparing when to put meowscarada in to be avoiding these hazards too if going for scarf

broken shard
regal ginkgoBOT
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eager plaza
cold cosmos
broken shard
tepid hazel
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thoughts for the last two on this squad? I know I need to fit a Ground immune, a Kyurem answer and a Ghold answer but not rly sure what to pick. Unsure if I need another dedicated speed control option for this team too since I already have Pult + Fin + Bolt

barren ridge
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This channel is for sharing completed, playtested teams not for asking for advice to finish teambuilding

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You can ask for help finishing in #comp-general or #comp-general-2

tepid hazel
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alr

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mb

tepid hazel
tall frigate
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hey if anyone can would someone be able to rate my team and help me out. IM stuck on possible improvements, as i feel like i dont have closing power into common problems and teams, kingGambit for example. Might be a skill issue as im still kinda new.
https://pokepast.es/a8ab2302528b1fb7

north nimbus
tall frigate
barren ridge
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!pokepaste

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barren ridge
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Volcarona is banned in SV OU

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So this team isn’t even legal

halcyon abyss
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oh, right

barren ridge
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Please play test before you post

halcyon abyss
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i at least thought that zoroark-hisui counted as a different species

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ok, this one's valid

alpine furnace
halcyon abyss
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the idea is maximum zork shenanigans

north nimbus
barren ridge
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You posted this seconds after I told you your team wasn’t even legal

halcyon abyss
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potentially

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hense why i'm asking here

barren ridge
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Do the raters a courtesy of seeing if your team even functions before posting it

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You can find a lot of issues yourself by just playing some

halcyon abyss
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the issue is that the main issue i'd find is "skill issue" as opposed to team flaws

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  • i thought the point of this was to see if the team could function well
barren ridge
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If you don’t know how to play then you should be using a sample team or something from the bazaar thread and learning. Team building is difficult and requires knowledge of the metagame.

The point of the channel is for improvements on something you put effort into. Not for our raters to sift through stuff users churned out in 20 seconds in their teambuilder and haven’t even tried using

viscid mist
regal ginkgoBOT
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faint vortex
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But, this team is also every hazard-setter's dream matchup. A team with no hazard removal and only 1 boots mon, it's not good

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If you get removal or put boots on more mons, then you'll be better off

viscid mist
faint vortex
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Also, sub on Pon is iffy. I'd go low kick or play rough instead

faint vortex
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For real, I looked at your team and thought any bulky hazard stack team (like one I have) would automatically win

viscid mist
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for treads

faint vortex
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Yeah for sure, test it out and see how it goes

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You have good pieces, you just need to ensure they stay alive

viscid mist
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also, is volt switch on iron treads any good?

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on this team

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i think no but its interesting

faint vortex
eager plaza
alpine hornet
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u lose into stall, hstack, and like any ho/offense with more than one special threat

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i would lowk just grab a sample but this is probably salvageable by making tusk boots, making oki gking, making meow weav, and adding a rocker somewhere

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but atp the entire idea of the team is gone so

rancid shale
faint vortex
rancid shale
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@rancid shale

faint vortex
viscid mist
regal ginkgoBOT
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viscid mist
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this one feels good to play with

compact owl
regal ginkgoBOT
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compact owl
sly wyvern
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https://pokepast.es/1f2b4d85f1dc9d13 hi I tried building a stall team with my friend who plays balance, I'm relatively inexperienced so I asked for help with my friend who plays balance, and I haven't been doing as well as I'd like, any pointers will be appreciated, I want to play stall but not much success so far RosChill

north nimbus
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I’m not a stall expert but I summon @hot dome to help you and understand it better

hot dome
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i answer the summon to say yeah this really doesn't work as stall

sly wyvern
hot dome
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stall needs to dedicate fully to the... well stall

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that means 6 fully defensive pokemon, and not only fully defensive, hard walls

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this is not that: this is 1 wall, two defensive pokemon (garg and u-turn gliscor), and then 3 offensive ones

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a common stlal core is something like:
Dondozo, Blissey, Alomomola, Clodsire, Gliscor, (insert 6th mon here)

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All extremely fat walls (no uturn on gliscor, instead utility/knock off)

sly wyvern
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any reason running 2 unaware?

hot dome
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Because Dondozo can't take special attacks and Clodsire can't take physical

sly wyvern
hot dome
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though most modern stalls have dropped clodsire for either pex ting lu or recently bronzong

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you can find the latest stall rmt here

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though i will warn you stall as a playstyle is somewhat unreliable on ladder due to the high variance of cheese that runs around

sly wyvern
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this is the currently featured stall sample team, right?

hot dome
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stall is still definitely a viable playstyle in the tier but if you are a beginner i would caution against it since it is quite hard to pilot, especially in this genreation

hot dome
alpine furnace
hot dome
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100% wont

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but the thought is appreciated

faint vortex
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Hello there, built this team a while, being inspired by the CTC/Vert sample team. Played with it for some time and I feel it is inconsistent. I particularly struggle with Garg and Operpon-W. Can anyone provide pointers on this, and overall advice on the team? Thank you in advance https://pokepast.es/8dd709f7073200c1

regal ginkgoBOT
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low phoenix
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also iron crown hamurott and great tusk for garg

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just play around them wouldnt call this balance more bulky offense

faint vortex
cold cosmos
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also would make hamu flipturn

cold cosmos
regal ginkgoBOT
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tacit bluff
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Ngl I get what you're tryna do with suicune but being hard walled by wogerpon isn't super goated

stray burrow
cold cosmos
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and a tera dragon skarm, if need be

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suicune should also be tera dragon

cold cosmos
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probably use a palafin, to prevent cinderace

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remove corviknight and gliscor

tacit bluff
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Having a bunch of setup mons means this isn't stall

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Just do BO

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The point of stall is long term damage over short term

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Yeah they can have mons that setup n stuff

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But said mon is usually not suicune

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Also you have CM bliss but no special attacks

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What's the point 😭

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I'm not the best with building stall but this is pretty wonky

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Hopefully faya sees this whenever he's online

tacit bluff
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Mbbbbb

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What I said about cm bliss still applies tho

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Slap flamethrower on that thing so it can look at gholdengo funny and roast it

cold cosmos
cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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Stall has at most 1 or 2

cold cosmos
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i have how many

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2?

tacit bluff
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Yeah I thought you were saying this about your own team

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Not phoenix king's

cold cosmos
cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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This is a series of unfortunate events right here

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😭

tacit bluff
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Assuming it's not about to trick a choice scarf onto you

stray burrow
# cold cosmos remove corviknight and gliscor

yeah I put covert cloak on corviknight for garg but I guess choice band wave crash from palafin could take care of that. for gliscor yeah I was too thinking of removing it because its really only good for doing one swords dance and getting surprise KOs with tera normal facade

tacit bluff
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The whole team needs an overhaul

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Ghold deo s and kingambit are fine the rest tho

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Urrr

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Well they're not really abusing screens that well

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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Yeah pala is a devious asshole on screens

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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It has a mild case of stupid bulk

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You do lose one turn switching it in tho but it should be ok

stray burrow
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cinderace is nice to have like

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roaring moon gets one shot by high jump kick

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and Ogerpon takes good damge from u-turn

tacit bluff
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Whilst yeah that's true the issue lies with the fact that libero makes things awkward sometimes

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Cuz you lose your stab on fire

stray burrow
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yeah Ive had issues with u-turning into flame body moltres as well

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which really cripples cinderace

tacit bluff
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Like the power behind it is decent but it's not really exerting that much pressure

cold cosmos
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has anyone thought of sticky web + court change + serperior

stray burrow
tacit bluff
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Probably not cuz that takes way too much setup for a mon as mid as serp

cold cosmos
stray burrow
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also nerfing all other mons or being forced to run heavy duty is probably not worth it

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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Although serp with +1 speed isn't

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That bad

cold cosmos
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ive seen serperior to uhh reduce the ideas of court change on webs team

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so that if opponent court changes, serp is boosted to infinity

tacit bluff
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The issue with serp is that the first leaf storm lowkey isn't that bad to deal with

cold cosmos
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75 spatk

tacit bluff
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And there's goobers like moltres running around

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Yeah 75 spa is

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Lol

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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True but even then that's not denting molt too hard and also stellar is kinda fake 😔

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Serp never beating fraudulent allegations

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Hey it's good in Gen 6 at least

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Anyway off topic

tacit bluff
cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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You want stuff that hits the ground running

tacit bluff
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3rd on the vr or smth

cold cosmos
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1st

tacit bluff
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1st?????

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I thought exca beat it out

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God damn

cold cosmos
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on ruffles VR

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ruffles is the best gen 6 builder

tacit bluff
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Ah valid

cold cosmos
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and the original VR is outdated

tacit bluff
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Anyway this belongs in a different channel

cold cosmos
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indeed

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gen 6 just gets me excited

tacit bluff
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Valid it's a good Gen

cold cosmos
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sm and oras are my favourites haha

stray burrow
cold cosmos
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araquanid probably doesnt set screens

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use kyurem

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not that shitty set though

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or roaring moon

stray burrow
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Chilly reception ensures blizzard wont miss although I do agree its easy to lose the weather war

cold cosmos
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glowking doesnt fit on a screens team

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you generally want setup spam

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which neither this kyurem set does nor does glowking

stray burrow
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hmm

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thanks

queen smelt
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My 2nd team

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Greninja is a must

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I saw gholdengo is used a lot

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And did calcs to make sure greninja 1 shots him and dragonite

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Unless spd ev

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Then maybe it doesn't 1 shot

barren ridge
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This looks like a doubles team, you’d never run clefairy like that in singles. Did you mean to post for a different format?

queen smelt
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Oh this is singles?

barren ridge
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This thread is for the standard SV OU singles format

queen smelt
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O

barren ridge
queen smelt
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I keep getting to feel dumb today 😭

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Oh

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Ok finally

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I typed in one called vgc then saw that you sent vgc rates dou rates

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And got worried for a sec

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Oh they are separate ones

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So what one do I use for making a team to play in actual scarlet and violet?

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I wanna make it in showdown then use it in the actual game

barren ridge
# queen smelt So what one do I use for making a team to play in actual scarlet and violet?

You don’t use any specific thread for building your team in-game. If this is for an in-game playthrough then there’s no real point in posting it here as there’s no reason to optimize for something like that.

If you’re asking specifically about official formats on cart that’s VGC and battle stadium. We don’t have raters for battle stadium doubles and either way I’d recommend you try to find a sample team as looking again your sets are not good and you seem quite new.

candid brook
mortal edge
queen smelt
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I doubt there's ou greninja sample teams

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I found a uu sample team with greninja

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The whole point is that I want to make a ou team that uses greninja though.

queen smelt
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I checked and any ou teams with greninja on them I could find are from a few years ago

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More like 5-6 years ago wow

runic nebula
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Well the last time Gren was viable was SM where it was a top mon

tacit bluff
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Gren is fine in OU

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It's good on rain and a decent pick for HO teams who are bad into other HO teams

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Since it can counter sweep pretty well

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And it doesn't fear kingambit since it carries upper hand

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Idk if I'd use it now considering how it gets mogged by palafin carrying drain punch or cc

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This is all referring to battle bond btw

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Protean is kinda whatever

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Meowscarada is generally better in that role being ever so slightly faster and having a mild case of stupid signature move

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While bringing very similar utility

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Both can set spikes if you want that for whatever reason both have u turn both have knock and sure gren has water and poison coverage but meow has fairy and ice so

queen smelt
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I tried the team out and clefairy was good greninja has convinced me I can use em in ou and the team sucks lol

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Greninja did sweep though

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And was the only reason why I won one of the like 5 fights

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I did

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Also it's electric Tera so that catches people off guard and when most ur mons are water type and one is breelom

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You get to be a battle bond greninja victim ig

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He even one shotted the minieco or whatever u call it

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The normal type scarf wearing chinchilla thing

queen smelt
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Prlly not hot take I think bc of all the greninja nerfs the ash greninja water shuriken should become normal water shuriken

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It would make it actually strong and stand out a lot I think

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As one of the few special priority moves that's also a water type move and multi hit

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It would be pretty strong for sure

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But seeing what has been made in gen 9 I think it's fine

tacit bluff
queen smelt
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Oh

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Is palafin a special tank?

tacit bluff
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cause then you don't resist water

queen smelt
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If greninja can one shot then I think it's fine

tacit bluff
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and so you become deathly afraid of jet punch

queen smelt
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Ohh

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I was suggested rillaboom pelliper greninja and archeludon

tacit bluff
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for singles or for doubles

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cuz archaludon has been banned for a while in OU

queen smelt
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Doubles

open kite
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Most of this team also looks koed by waterpon

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Hdb/assault vest fits hamurott better in this team imo

open kite
# low phoenix Hdb/assault vest fits hamurott better in this team imo

Already tested assault vest and stuff, wasnt working tbh, i found scarf much better to do the job of speed control on the team, NOTE: tusk is booster attack, and cannot act as speed control here, thats why hamu is scarf

also idk how swapping dnite and harc would work tbh, specially seeing as harc is kind of a designated lead into a lot of teams, like any weathers or non-HO teams, while also acting as a dnite wannabe, but it is also my rocker. It offered a lot of immediate threat, and valuable rock+fire coverage in addition to the prio.

Also for woger, the team was designed to bait in, and eliminate any contact punishing mons, then to go into maushold. Maus specifically cooks woger, cuz its faster, ohkos, and can setup and sweep on the switch when woger gets scared out, hopefully this answers the woger thing

My questions for you: How could i adjust it for a rocker if i put dnite over harc? also do you have a reccomendation for a dnite set, and about the hamurott set, do you mean make it vest if i add dnite? Or just on this build? Cuz i could see it working a bit better with dnite but idk about this build

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harcanine lead only fits into hyper offense and even then its a niche choice

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you make great tusk your rocker since temper flare is kinda niche tbh and you have moltres + hamurott to check gold

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maushold can beat woger offensively on paper but so can other faster more meta relavent mons such as darkrai zamazenta iron moth etc

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id prob go full hyper offense if you really want to use maushold

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also its countered by literally any mon with rocky helmet

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for dragonites set just give it standard dd

empty verge
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I suggest taking a look at some samples teams

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Arcanine-h isn’t used as a lead this looks like hybrid bulky offense and Hyper offense which you should commit to one. In addition to this a few low rank to unviable mons like maus and arc. Sets are kind of weird too.

low phoenix
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oh

regal ginkgoBOT
low phoenix
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what is harc used for then?

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i remember seeing that one sticky webs team with harc in it

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but thats the only time i saw it used in a good team

empty verge
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When it’s used

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It runs this

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Arcanine-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Normal
Jolly Nature

  • Head Smash
  • Flare Blitz
  • Extreme Speed
  • Close Combat
low phoenix
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oh

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i forgot lmao

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a webs breaker then

empty verge
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Yah

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It can be be used but the way it’s used here isn’t good. It’s also a Mon that you want to support so running another lower ranked Mon takes away from that

low phoenix
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not a rate question but does maushold actually have any niche in ou in practice

queen smelt
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Maybe in doubles

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🤷‍♂️

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I think a arch maushold duo could be cool maybe

hot dome
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this isn't the dobules channel

hot dome
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it has seen very limited use in psyterrain in the past

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but in general no not relaly

queen smelt
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Maybe they specifically want to use maushold so I wanted to share a random idea I had

low phoenix
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makes sense

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stray burrow
hot dome
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otherwise its not worth since you're effectively playing 5v6

stray burrow
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For gholdengo specifically I didn't want to speed tie with opposing gholdengo for a chance to KO with shadow ball(when I don't have light screen)

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But I understand what you're trying to say

hot dome
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also im iffy on ghold on screens

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way too slow + you dont really need to block defog since its just corv and spin isn't a worry either

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what i would do (especially since you haev a kyurem here) is swap out deo-s for atales, drop gking ghold, swap kyurem to ddance, swap palafin to bulk up without jet punch (you don't want your setup mon leaving the field, and would much rather prefer ice punch/taunt/coverage), and then swap on bulk up great tusk for a hazard remover and then probably iron moth for some much needed special attack coverage

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though ghold here isnt the worst ig if you want to keep it swap it to psyshock so you can force a tera against stall

stray burrow
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I'll try that later

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Thanks tho

hot dome
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np

fluid nimbus
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Still in the debates for AV or HBD on goodra tho ^ since AV makes her have a very nice bulk

rancid shale
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1.5x special bulk doesn’t matter if you’re losing 25% each switch in

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hbd does av’s job better

fluid nimbus
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alpine hornet
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yeah on removalless u want boots

mortal edge
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fluid nimbus
daring salmon
ember verge
rancid shale
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run iron head pls

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that kingambit set hurts me

clever rover
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https://pokepast.es/d122ed42dff3d7eb

I think this kingambit set is very sheist, wanted to build some team with it.

Anything else can change, tho i think the dragonite is sheist as well.

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cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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Yeah

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This is pretty standard

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Personally I'd drop spikes on glimm for sludge wave, energy ball or power gem (usually sludge wave) but it's fine

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I just don't think it has enough time to reliably get up spikes

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And ig imo there's too many physical attackers like idk if you need both dnite and roaring moon you could use smth like enamourus or raging bolt instead but otherwise this is fine

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Oh yeah and ig kowtow cleave could be dropped for iron head if you want more coverage

near mauve
cold cosmos
regal ginkgoBOT
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tacit bluff
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jokes aside

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this looks, ok although idk if ur benefitting from spikes that much you don't got a lot of breaking power

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ur already spreading a fair bit of status maybe hex ghold would be good here

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or hexpult

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you do end up with some type overlap but its not that big a deal

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since you have two gambit checks anyway

although then darkrai becomes a problem

cold cosmos
cold cosmos
cold cosmos
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actually dengo is a great idea

tacit bluff
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yeah dengo is cool

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plus it spreads t wave

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which is nice for dealing with offence teams

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you can try it

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everything else looks fine tho

cold cosmos
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tbhhh

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i might benefit more

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by going dengo on pecha

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and glowking for crown

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but i just wanted to use pecha ya know..

tacit bluff
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yeah I get that

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I've used pecha and ghold on the same team tho

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cuz pecha provides pivoting which ghold can't

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but ig glowking does that too

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I like to make several versions of the same team with the different mons and see which one I like most ngl

cold cosmos
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@tacit bluff you got a cool pecha team?

tacit bluff
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there's the sample one

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I have my own pecha team tho if you want it

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success not guaranteed

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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swap around the sets to ur liking

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I tried tealpon zama gliscor skarm some other stuff

cold cosmos
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thanks

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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it fires children

cold cosmos
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also triple ground?

tacit bluff
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yeah thats why there's other versions with fewer grounds

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be careful waterpon although ngl you should be fine

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pecha kinda stumps oger

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as does zap

high cloak
fluid nimbus
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offensive hstack with hoodra

long prism
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I'm new to showdown:)

fast vector
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fast vector
timid mango
barren ridge
# long prism https://pokepast.es/e616d33ac2fb310d

Teambuilding can be pretty difficult to do, especially when youre new. Some of these mon choices and movesets are unviable in OU. I'd recommend you grab a sample team and try playing with it for awhile and then come back to teambuilding once you have a better idea of what works in OU.

regal ginkgoBOT
barren ridge
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You can find them there

tacit bluff
timid mango
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changed rai to gholdengo

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any diffrence

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main core is valiant gargancl and slowking

tacit bluff
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booster speed iron valiant is a staple on offence teams, granted it usually also has a setup move but then that fast aggressive playstyle clashes a lot with a pokemon like garganacl who is the damage over time pokemon

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if you get what I mean

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they kinda just get in each others way and pull this team in several directions

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slowking garganacl are typically on balance teams who appreciate their ability to wall and slow down the opponent with chip (albeit galarian slowking is typically better in that role) gliscor as well btw but then iron valiant is an offence mon

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this is close to being a pretty standard spike stack balance core with a couple changes tho

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also some of the sets are, kinda odd

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gliscor is very very passive, U turn being the only way for it to rack up direct damage just leaves it super liable to stuff like taunt from lando T

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it doesn't need to be super proactive but it should have a way to make progress, it usually runs knock off over u turn in that slot

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this team is also very very weak to waterpon

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like idk there's a lot of little things here and there

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I'm kinda busy rn but I can get back to this later

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or someone else will

low phoenix
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Booster Val seems kind of odd if this team is looking to be a balance

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Also as nocturne said weak to waterpon

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I feel like with this team it can either be a bootspam or regular balance depending on which mons you change

timid mango
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so who should i change

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i wanna keep the core of valiant and glowking (replacing slowking)

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and garg

low phoenix
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Valiant and glowing are cool

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In bulky offense

timid mango
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any mons i change?

low phoenix
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Garg is more a balance Mon I’ve never used him in offense

timid mango
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to make it not weak to waterpon

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ik its a balanced team

low phoenix
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Kyurem zapdos drsgapult are decent waterpon checks

timid mango
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i was planning to include pult to pair it with valiant

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do i remove dhengo?

low phoenix
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Dengo could prob be a gambit

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To shore up your dark weakness

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And priority

timid mango
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so who goes for pult then

low phoenix
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Gliscor

timid mango
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wanna keep gliscor so bad

low phoenix
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Gliscor doesn’t really fit in bulky offense afaik

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If you want to use out offensively there is swords dance but it’s mostly seen in hazard stack

timid mango
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hes my 4th favorite mon behind scizor gengar and galar corsola

low phoenix
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Sometimes hyper offense but it’s usually supported by something like screens or webs

timid mango
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so gliscor and dhengo gone for gambit and pult

low phoenix
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I’ve never used scizor so he could probably fit if you’re going for an offense

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Ye

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Garg gone too

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Cuz he can’t do immediate damage which is what you’re looking for

timid mango
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but the main core was garg glowking valiant?

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also nerf u turn and knock off to 60 bp (def not wanting ou scizor)

low phoenix
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What kind of team are you looking for

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Team style

timid mango
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balanced team

low phoenix
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Ok

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No iron valiant then

timid mango
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oh

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wanted to use it

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what about offence (no hyper)

low phoenix
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Unless it’s a sheist choice set where you can bring it in repeatedly but there are other mons that better fit balance overall

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Iron valiant fits in offense

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Not just hyper offense

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Not balance tho

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In general

timid mango
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so it fits in only offence

low phoenix
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In general yes

timid mango
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imma build and offence team rq

low phoenix
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You can prob build around it in balance if you wanted to but dragapult or zamazenta is generally the preferred speed control in regular balance teams

timid mango
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this good?

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needed a phys and special tank so threw gliscor and glowking

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wait lemme change gliscor set rq

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now?

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what do i change?

low phoenix
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I literally just said booster iron valiant isn’t good in balance…

timid mango
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im tryna make it offence

low phoenix
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Also there are no hazards for swords dance gliscor to abuse

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I thought you said you wanted to make it a balance

timid mango
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so what item for valiant balance

low phoenix
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Idk tbh

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Try experimenting yourself and see what works

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I’ve never used valiant balance before

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Also either use scarf darkrai or dragapult

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You don’t need two speed control

timid mango
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there

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look good?

fringe crest
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that zama set isn't allowed because the held item changes it to the form which is Uber

timid mango
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oh

high cloak
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you can run boots or leftovers instead

timid mango
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so rate from 1/10 and any flaws?

high cloak
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as very unprofessional opinion the team looks fine the sets look wack

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but like i suck at mons so dont take it seriously

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i dont think protect on zama is needed, i would much rather have crunch or roar

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also what was your thought process behind the pult set?

tacit bluff
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zamazenta crowned is banned

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so zamazenta can't hold rusted shield

high cloak
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why darts over just draco or even pulse

tacit bluff
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its set dependent darts are an option

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granted yeah the sets are odd

fluid nimbus
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Garganacle Balance

empty verge
# fluid nimbus Garganacle Balance

I think you should decide between pult or weavile you need a proper water resist here. An alomomola or dozo should do fine. If you keep pult I higher recommend making it boots pivot.

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Also Tera fairy > water in garg for pult

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Band pult and pivot variants to be specific

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Tusk can be max hp max speed. I think corv should also run brave bird here to threaten pon immediately

fluid nimbus
fluid nimbus
fluid nimbus
empty verge
empty verge
timid mango
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someone in ou said darts and u turn required

hot dome
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but its not that far from a decent bulky offense team, so we can pivot to that

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Swap out gliscor for landorus-t, defensive or offensive are both fine but i think offensive is a little better for this team

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swap zamazenta to the iron defense body press set with roar, swap gking to the boots pivot set, swap pult to the boots hex set, swap valiant to the mixed booster set, and swap kingambit to tera ghost/fairy

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you can find these sets on their respective smogon dex page

clear axle
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timid mango
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wait can someone tell me who to add?

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i was originally thinking glowking and ghold

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nvm made it

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who do i change

hot dome
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Please do not post multiple teams in a short period of time, if you get a team rated at least try it out for a bit before coming back with another

timid mango
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alr

tacit bluff
timid mango
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somi listen how clodsire fans advice

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change gliscor to lando t

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mixed valiant

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And boots glowking?

tacit bluff
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ye

timid mango
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just that?

tacit bluff
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p much

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my advice would be generally similar

timid mango
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From 1/10 how good would the team be with the advoce

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items for kando t

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what item do i use for lando t

tacit bluff
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soft sand for the offensive set

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/earth plate it doesn't rly matter they do the same thing

timid mango
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do i change pult set?

hot dome
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yes i told you to swap to mixed hex

tacit bluff
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as faya said you can switch it to the boots hex set

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Dragapult @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 60 Atk / 196 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Naive Nature

  • Dragon Darts
  • Hex
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • U-turn
timid mango
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from 1/10

tacit bluff
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you still didn't do the mixed booster set for valiant and also the gking set was fine before

hot dome
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you were told to run boots gking

timid mango
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oh

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ill do mixed booster

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so av or boots glowking

long prism
hot dome
timid mango
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ty guys tho

hot dome
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7-8/10, standard bo

tacit bluff
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^

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good long term progress makers while also having solid breakers against the likes of slower and faster teams

one slight adjustment, I'd change Kingambit's EVs a bit the bulky sd set runs a slightly different spread and even so kingambit that carry low kick tend to be max speed invested in order to beat other kingambit

timid mango
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removed health evs to speed

timid mango
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so 4 evs on hp 252 in attack and speed and its adamant

long prism
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How do I copy my team to pokepaste?

tacit bluff
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!pokepaste

regal ginkgoBOT
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long prism
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I'm new and everyone n their legendaries are kicking my ass

timid mango
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use a sample team

tacit bluff
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yeah

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cuz this team is frankly unviable

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alo raichu is only viable on e terrain offence and thats a gimmick playstyle Vaporeon is also just not good and struggles to get anything done and in its role as a special water type attacker its done better in every way by primarina and copperajah is just bad, let alone a scarf copperajah

the 2 of the ou mons on this team are fine barring meowscarada cuz life orb meow isn't rly a set

timid mango
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Nocturne i maxed kingambits attacj and speed ivs instrad of hp

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+attack nature

tacit bluff
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make it jolly

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again the goal of low kick is to get the jump on other kingambit

timid mango
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just reversed sweeped with kingambit

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air balloon goated frfr

cold cosmos
regal ginkgoBOT
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cold cosmos
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my try on pecharunt hstack

timid mango
long prism
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Tried a sample team went well but wanted to make a team that fit me :))

tacit bluff
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this seems fine, quite aggro spike stack tbh

ig you could make lando taunt over stone edge? although you don't have a great way of beating molt so I can understand why you'd forgo taunt, but also taunt helps you prevent hazards from going up which this team has no way of doing

I'd also personally go with hatt over valiant here to help with said hazards and also to act as another sweeper, if ur fine with making the team a bit slower anyway

misty basin
tacit bluff
misty basin
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Alcremie and Sylveon are very similar

tacit bluff
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not a single one of these mons is ranked OU, and only tinkaton is better than gimmick viability

misty basin
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Diancie needs trick room to function

tacit bluff
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diancie isn't even used in TR teams 😭

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its just, bad

misty basin
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Massive Steel weakness, no Scald on Milotic (or even Marvel Scale)

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And Protect with a Focus Sash mon...

cold cosmos
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i lose to birds

tacit bluff
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ye I noticed that

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thats why I suggested hatt

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to help a bit with hazards

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albeit ur team isn't that weak to hazards

long prism
runic nebula
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Likely because it’s low ladder

tacit bluff
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^

long prism
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I'm just having fun

tacit bluff
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which is fine but this channel is for teams that are tryna be optimal

long prism
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Optimal?

tacit bluff
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if you wanna run the stuff you like on ladder go ahead, I do that sometimes as well

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but if you're sending a team here its gonna be critiqued with the assumption you want to make it more viable for the meta of SV OU

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in which case this team is not viable

long prism
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What abt this one

tacit bluff
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same applies lol

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running any monotype team is gonna be suboptimal

barren ridge
# long prism https://pokepast.es/3bc0b314814a8f44

If you want to use a single type then play monotype not OU. You are shooting yourself in the foot for no reason. This channel is for optimizing teams you’re looking to improve not running themed teams or trying to make unviable mon choices work

tacit bluff
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even if iron moth and galarian slowking are good in a vaccum and vileplume has a shred of a niche in being a waterpon check that isn't afraid of its coverage the sets are just, wonky

barren ridge
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Monotype is a plenty active format if you want to play it too

cold cosmos
high cloak
misty basin
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Literally what I personally run on Ogerpon-W

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and the bolt on raging bolt

high cloak
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it was between hydra and serp and i got tired of missing left storm

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i honestly forgot what psychic was meant for

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honestly just used it because i wanted a 4th attacking move

tacit bluff
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Tbh it's not that bad cuz you have boots on both your pivots and kingambit don't really care about stealth rocks but yeah if it's spikes stack it might get rough lol

hot dome
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thus, ogerpon should be swords dance instea dof 4 attack, and pecharunt shoudl be swapped out for gholdnego (who is essential for webs teams anyways)

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not sure what that bolt ev spread is but swap it to the smogdex one

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i would honestly drop hydrapple for a speed control option like bulk up Tusk/kingambit since you've already got enough special attackers, but that's up to you

tawny olive
regal ginkgoBOT
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tawny olive
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Is this a good balance team?

empty root
near mauve
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@north nimbus

cerulean gate
regal ginkgoBOT
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This seems fine prob make this taunt moon and stored power hatt, tho you can also do, Tera ground iron moth just cause raging bolt looks annoying as hell for this tbh

north nimbus
near mauve
timid mango
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planning for iron treads for hazard removal or kingambit

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maybe great tusk

hot dome
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A: invalid paste
B: we don't rate unfinished teamas

timid mango
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Oh

tacit bluff
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This is fine

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Make gholdengo offensive nasty plot though

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And I personally don't like using too many booster energy mons but it's fine

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This team does lean super special tho, which is again fine but a lot of your big special threats don't have a way to break through special walls

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I'd make iron valiant psyshock over tbolt personally so you can beat stuff like blissey and galarian slowking

timid mango
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alr

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there

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added psyshock dhengo instead of recover or focus blast

cold cosmos
broken shard
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3 choiced mons

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nice

broken shard
cold cosmos
cold cosmos
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trick is a good idea

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psyshock hits the mothra tho

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which is an opp for my team

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so ill keep shock

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replace tbolt

timid mango
low phoenix
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Fb gold is pretty heat ngl

stray burrow
timid mango
low phoenix
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u can keep make it rain

timid mango
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ive been losing A lot with this yteam tho

low phoenix
timid mango
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any way of making it better whilst keeping moth and val?

low phoenix
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and cinderace isnt necessary on webs change him to another sweeper

low phoenix
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like what mons and what kinds of teams

timid mango
low phoenix
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Change moth to booster energy special attack

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You can try swords dance samurott to fuck up balance

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Or change it to bulk up great tusk if you want removal

timid mango
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i changed hamarott to zamazenta

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someone in chat said to do that

low phoenix
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If you want you can give vacuum wave to valiant for priority

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low phoenix
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Zama can work

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I’d ersonally use tusk

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Cuz hazard removal is nice

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And I like having a ground type

timid mango
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made ival phys attacker

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so rate from 1/10?

low phoenix
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uhh

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im not a rater

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but a 7/10 i guess

stray burrow
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or if the opponent manages to remove webs

stray burrow
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I kept it cause I like cinderace

low phoenix
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gholdengo should be enough youre supposed to go all in when you use webs offense

stray burrow
stray burrow
timid mango
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memester

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u said smth earlier replace a move on gholdengo for dazzling gleam?

timid mango
low phoenix
low phoenix
timid mango
timid mango
tacit bluff
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this is fine although the things that jump out at me is the valiant set and also the lack of knock off users

timid mango
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alr

tacit bluff
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ur running webs you need opposing teams to be impacted by webs

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which means you need to knock off their boots

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lol

timid mango
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so melee valiant?

tacit bluff
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yeah but not whatever that set is

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its usually close combat knock off sd + one other move

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often encore

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sometimes spirit break

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extra coverage works too

timid mango
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gonna go spirit break bc i need stab fairy

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used the smogon sd with spirit break

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what else

tacit bluff
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you also don't have the best answers to le scary grounds

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zamazenta can't rly break through lando

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even if it can answer tusk pretty well

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I'd either go with ice spinner tusk or ogerpon there

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maybe instead of zama

timid mango
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gonna go tusk to become le scary ground and remove hazard

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what else

tacit bluff
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issue is you want another knocker

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hmmm

timid mango
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tusk gets knock

tacit bluff
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well yeah but then you have 4mss

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you want knock and spin

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and stab

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and bulk up

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and ice spinner

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etc

timid mango
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knock off spin headlong rush ice spinner

tacit bluff
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I wouldn't go with that

timid mango
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so what do i replace?

tacit bluff
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dropping bulk up means you lose a ton of firepower

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I was gonna suggest offensive booster energy tusk with ice spinner headlong rush rapid spin bulk up

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then swap iron moth for ogerpon

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since idt you strictly need it here

north nimbus
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No tspike absorber

tacit bluff
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oh yeah right

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forgot about those

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ogerpon does really like webs tho

timid mango
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so what tusk set i use]

tacit bluff
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it makes it incredibly difficult to answer since its speed tier goes from fast but not amazing to scary

timid mango
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so add ogerpon

tacit bluff
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Great Tusk @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Jolly Nature

  • Bulk Up
  • Headlong Rush
  • Ice Spinner
  • Rapid Spin
timid mango
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alr

tacit bluff
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you can make it tera ice or smth as well

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its kinda flexible

timid mango
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who do i replace for ogerpon?

tacit bluff
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if ur content with not having moth to absorb tspikes then iron moth can go

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tspikes is most commonly set up by glimmora

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but mostly through its ability

timid mango
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i want moth and ival

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what about raging bolt

tacit bluff
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so araq should be able to stop it

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I personally rly like bolt on webs plus it deals with the flying types

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mostly molt

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although I suppose you can swap it out for pon as well

timid mango
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this is my team after doing the tusk change

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so i replace for ogerpon or keep raging bolt

tacit bluff
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try both

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make two different copies

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and see which you prefer

timid mango
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so make a team with no raging bolt but ogerpon

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and make one with bolt

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imma go to sleep rn

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if those arent the changes you can dm me them

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for now cya'

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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yo you named a team no way !

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this kind of team style is not something I have much experience with but usually glowking goes with le kyurem to bolster the defence with chilly reception, granted its not strictly necessary

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I've also never used lokix in ou so I can't comment on how good it is here

tepid hazel
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sacred delta
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https://pokepast.es/d24c007218cba34d what should i change here, the main thing i noticed is really struggle against zamazenta, with tera fire its unpredictable and can shut down my team with iroin press spam

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and does aurora veil make sense on this team? it goes well with kyurem but i dont really have a lot of opportunities to safely bring kyu in anyway bc of rocks and it relying on dd. also not sure how well iron moth fits, it provides incredibly useful coverage but i feel like it takes way too long to get going, which i also find a problem with most of the team

dense python
barren ridge
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This channel is only for submitting completed teams

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You can come back and share once you’ve finished and play tested a bit

autumn crown
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https://pokepast.es/859194ad022e16ca trying to build a BO/balance style team centered around Kyurem. I made an earlier version that I didn't really like because it was a little too passive and made some changes to try to lean more into the BO direction while keeping the idea of the wish passing to ting and kyurem to add longevity to both. Any opinions on the team/sets are more than welcome!

cold cosmos
timid mango
cold cosmos
timid mango
cold cosmos
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ah

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r1

timid mango
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yes

timid mango
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low phoenix
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surprising your opponent can go pretty far ngl

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sticky web doesnt need knock off tbh youre just trying to overwhelm your opponent with sheer offensive power

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i feel like valiant is the most replacable member of this team ngl you have 3 booster mons anyways

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and moth helps absorb tspikes so i wouldnt replace him personally

cold cosmos
tacit bluff
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The whole point is speed control

timid mango
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tbf i kight replace moth

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ogerpon gets knock off

stark ingot
neon pine
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Sticky barb is useless

tacit bluff
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no?

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its a standard clef set

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the problem isn't barb its the moves

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you need knock off with sticky barb

neon pine
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😳have I not been playing for so long stocky barb is good now

tacit bluff
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it makes the booster energy mons reconsider their life choices

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basically