SV OU Rates

[tacit bluff]

especially when your other mons are very fast

including meow

[willow prairie]

hmm yea that is a problem

i only have two slow mons

[tacit bluff]

TR teams while rare usually commit entirely to the playstyle by running super slow attackers

like ursaluna

[willow prairie]

huh

but wouldnt

suddenly

changing to trick room

mid fight

confuse them?

and throw off their plans

[tacit bluff]

not really

most well built teams can whether the TR

its only 4 turns

defensive teams especially since most of them are slow anyway

so they don't really mind

its good into Hyper Offence since it flips their entire core gameplan on its head and said hyper offence teams have very little defensive fallback

but even then the issue with TR teams is you know when you're going against one and HO usually has tools to shut it down before it could even be set up

[ionic sleet]

https://pokepast.es/1425a0e8f9ac240c

[tacit bluff]

like taunt users or just straight up overpowering the trick room setter

[willow prairie]

what if

just what if

i use focus sash on meowscrada

they cant stop me then

i dont think they will expect it either

[runic nebula]

Just because they didn’t expect it doesn’t mean it’s good

[willow prairie]

iggg

mannn

i wanna trick room them thooo

oh well

i think my team is okay enough for now

[runic nebula]

Plus your entire team is fast as hell anyways why would you want TR?

If I’m looking at the right team that is

In which I think I am

[tacit bluff]

I mean sure but you'll probs waste a precious turn of trick room switching out or dying because meow is so damn fast that it suddenly becomes really slow under TR

[runic nebula]

If you set up TR with Meowscarda then congrats, now what?

[willow prairie]

cuz i could make gholdengo into a late game sweeper?

[tacit bluff]

its the fastest starter pokemon ever, 123 speed is amazing

[runic nebula]

Also

[tacit bluff]

those talents are wasted on being a TR setter

[willow prairie]

yes and its gonna die sooner or later

[willow prairie]

also?

[runic nebula]

Your opponent can absolutely stop sash meow from getting TR up

By you know

Killing it

[willow prairie]

i can give it focus sash

[tacit bluff]

it can't switch in

TR is -6 priority

its impossible to get up a fast Trick room

[willow prairie]

bruh

[runic nebula]

This is like one of the most hazard infested OU Metagames

[willow prairie]

man ig il have to give up on trick room then

[willow prairie]

TELL ME BOUT IT

[tacit bluff]

-6 or -5 I forgot point is you can't get up TR quickly

[runic nebula]

It’s -6

Your opponent won’t really have to go out of their way to beat sash Meow given they have a semi-decent team

[tacit bluff]

ah so same as whirlwind

[runic nebula]

They could probably stop you from getting up TR without even realizing what they did

[tacit bluff]

there's like way better TR setters anyway

indeedee is pretty decent

because it can exploit TR itself by spamming expanding force

I say decent its at least a viable TR setter

[runic nebula]

Gholdengo isn’t that fast, but I also don’t think it’s necessarily that slow or that strong to take advantage of it

You have like

3 turns to abuse it

Because turn 4 will be sacking meow

[tacit bluff]

yeah like, if ur gonna be using TR

its gonna be Ursaluna or smth

or kingambit ig

[willow prairie]

eh fine ig

[runic nebula]

You want a “kill” button

[willow prairie]

i already have recover on it

[runic nebula]

Gholdengo doesn’t have a “kill” button

[willow prairie]

it does

basicly anyway

[tacit bluff]

not really

[willow prairie]

with enough set up

[tacit bluff]

no spa investment and even at +2 cuz no make it rain ur only stab is shadow ball

[runic nebula]

That’s the problem

You have to set up

[willow prairie]

spikes from ceasless edge and even at 3x spa

[runic nebula]

Which is another turn lost

[tacit bluff]

Ursaluna does not need to set up

in contrast

[willow prairie]

why are u all still

on about

trick room

im saying i wont use it

i get it

[tacit bluff]

I mean still gholdengo is far less powerful

this is the bulky nasty plot set

which has forgone make it rain

which is gholdengo's most dangerous move

[runic nebula]

You replied to me, I was only replying my response to said reply

[willow prairie]

i mean i spend most of the time as a

fairy type

[tacit bluff]

and again idk who ur fighting but gholdengo isn't the easiest to get to +4 special attack

you can pick up one on a switch sure but ur hard walled by moltres

tera is a big commitment

[willow prairie]

il be legit i have not seen a single kantionian moltres in my 50 or so battles ive done on showdown

nor galarian

[tacit bluff]

moltres is a defensive staple in OU

so again

idk who ur fighting

[willow prairie]

ig il see

when i get higher up in elo

[willow prairie]

whats a good tera for great tusk btw

[tacit bluff]

steel, ice, poison, even ground

[willow prairie]

thx

[tacit bluff]

ur choice really

[tacit bluff]

Ting lu can also lowk mog you hard

[willow prairie]

can u tell me

[tacit bluff]

even if its weak to dazzling gleam

it so doesn't care

[willow prairie]

oh it cares alr

[tacit bluff]

+2 0 SpA Gholdengo Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 184-218 (35.7 - 42.4%) -- 91.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[willow prairie]

everytime ive seen it

its one shot

[tacit bluff]

not really

[willow prairie]

okay

btw

[tacit bluff]

ting lu also usually runs tera poison

or ghost

but usually poison

[willow prairie]

whats evs

shoudl i make it

[tacit bluff]

great tusk

?

[willow prairie]

to have it be proto spe

yes

[tacit bluff]

max speed max hp 4 atk speed boosting nature

[willow prairie]

damn

so basicly no atk evs at all?

[tacit bluff]

its so ur speed is 1 point higher than ur attack

otherwise ur getting the attack boost

you make up the lost ground with bulk up

[willow prairie]

aight

[willow prairie]

wait

so no knock off?

cuz with roaring gone

i have no steel counter

huh ig not

[mortal edge]

You're not going to be clicking it that much anyways.

You would always prefer Ivy Cudgel & Wood Hammer only if it's going to get you a KO.

[ionic sleet]

How's this?

[mortal edge]

I don't really like No-Sub Iron Moth.

It's practically a must-need if you're going to plan on sweeping with Fiery Dance.

[ionic sleet]

So replace for Protect I'm guessing?

[hot dome]

you shouldnt run protect iron moth anyways

4 attack moth is fine, sub moth is fine

[runic nebula]

Protect does next to nothing on offensive mons

Best case is that you scout choiced

But since you’re offensive you’re likely getting forced out still

[ionic sleet]

Alright, Sub it is

[dusty warren]

https://pokepast.es/846b6469db10289b I love bellibolt, it eats a jolly tusk headlong rush with 25% left, I wanted to make a team built around bellibolt

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

so my main question is eats a headlong rush and then what

[dusty warren]

Mainly something I’ve noticed, I usually bait in electric switch ins and go soak to get free volt switches and parabolic charge

[empty verge]

Idk bro you put raging bolt > bellibolt and its a real team ngl

[echo rampart]

not really effective vs someone who knows what they're doing. the only really successful use of bolt is on a rain team

[empty verge]

Bellibolt not really doing nothing here

As stories said

[willow prairie]

im looking for advice on how to improve it https://pokepast.es/670aab0f2176656b

[low phoenix]

do not use torkoal unless you are using a sun team

also roar on raging bolt is a choice

[willow prairie]

what do u want me to put there instead

[low phoenix]

a proper speed control like moth or valiant for torkoal

[low phoenix]

and give bolt its standard booster energy set

[willow prairie]

im taking bolt off

[low phoenix]

what about torkoal

[willow prairie]

moth

might be actually a good idea

ngl

i need a fairy check

too many of those things everywhere

[low phoenix]

just take torkoal off and replace with a rocker like lando t

[willow prairie]

and my crown sometimes dies too fast

[low phoenix]

this is hyper offense

you know which sweeper you need to take out

sack then take out another sweeper

[willow prairie]

why not miraidon

[low phoenix]

uhh thats banned

[willow prairie]

and get treads

[willow prairie]

oh fr?

sad

[low phoenix]

well obviously

[willow prairie]

didnt know

[low phoenix]

not even ubers can use it

miraidon is a box legendary

[willow prairie]

any other mons that can set up

[low phoenix]

and has a broken ability

[willow prairie]

electric terain then?

actually wait

it wouldnt be perma

ugh

[low phoenix]

roaring moon dragonite kingambit kyurem

etc

zamazenta

[willow prairie]

huh

zamzenta

might be a good idea actually

[low phoenix]

it looks like youre new

[willow prairie]

i played really really long ago

[low phoenix]

i recommend just picking up a sample team and getting used to the different team archetypes before building

fair

[willow prairie]

nah

hmm

[low phoenix]

sample teams are built by top players and have been tested greatly

[willow prairie]

ngl tho

[willow prairie]

thats not the thing

i dont want to use teams built by others

[low phoenix]

my point was to use a sample team so you can learn how different team archetypes (hyper offense, offense, bulky offense, balance, stall, etc) work so you cana eventually move on to building your own

but you be you

[willow prairie]

i know how those work

i just

dont like hyper offense

ughh

[low phoenix]

your team leans to hyper offense though

booster energy crown

focus sash hamurott

booster tusk

[willow prairie]

for

spikes

yes

[low phoenix]

3 of your mons sets are only used in hyper offense

[willow prairie]

i usually have a pivot mon

to deal some minor damage to mons

and to make them switch out

and take damage

[low phoenix]

your team has no pivots

[willow prairie]

then use gholdengo when they bring out

[willow prairie]

it did

[pallid moss]

that team is just ho

[willow prairie]

ive been switching it

around

alot

[low phoenix]

mola moltres gking zapdos dragapult are pivots

[willow prairie]

meowscrada was the one i was using

heavy boots

[low phoenix]

meowscarada is used on balance teams

not hyper offense

[willow prairie]

im not trying build up a archetype ok im just trying to see what works and lets me have fun playing

[pallid moss]

well if the team is functional it has an archetype

[willow prairie]

only real thing ive come across thats annoying is hell

IS IRON HEAD

[low phoenix]

if you dont build around an archetype your team will just be all over the place and not be cohesive

[willow prairie]

IVE GOTTEN FLINTCH

LOCKED

LIKE FIVE TIMES

IN THE LAST TWO BATTLES

[pallid moss]

what even runs iron head in ou

[willow prairie]

CORVINIGHT

FOR SOME REASON

[pallid moss]

who is using iron head corviknight in the big 2024

[runic nebula]

You should be using samples if you’re trying to see what works

[pallid moss]

and how are you being outsped

[willow prairie]

im not

oh

[low phoenix]

what is your elo

[willow prairie]

simple

[low phoenix]

most corviknight use body press/brave bird

[willow prairie]

1300

[low phoenix]

1300 is still pretty low ladder

[pallid moss]

theres no way you faced iron head corv twice in a row

[low phoenix]

when you get to high ladder and face teams that are actually good not having a cohesive team will really hinder you

[willow prairie]

i did.

AND IT FLINTCHED ME

5 TIMES

[low phoenix]

thtas just rng

[willow prairie]

ON MY FAIRY SWEEPER

[low phoenix]

cant do anything about it

[willow prairie]

WHO I HAD 4X SPA ON

[willow prairie]

i know

but like

THIS BS

[low phoenix]

if you hate flinch that much use a covert cloak mon

[pallid moss]

what fairy mon are you using that is outsped by corviknight

[willow prairie]

nah it happens sometimes

[willow prairie]

Gholdengo

bulk

was tryna hit recovery

[pallid moss]

so you are facing max speed iron head corviknight

[willow prairie]

for some reason yes

[pallid moss]

which should not be hard at all to kill since they dont have bulk

[willow prairie]

i got flinched

when i was tryna hit recovery

[pallid moss]

ok but you usually shouldnt be outsped regardless

[willow prairie]

idk then man

[pallid moss]

max speed iron head corviknight is not something you need to build around

[low phoenix]

who are you tryign to use to check corviknight anyways

[willow prairie]

iron moth

fire

[low phoenix]

corviknight never invests into max speed

ok iron moth should be enough

[willow prairie]

dont have fire mon anyways

[pallid moss]

wait this ghold is 60 speed too

[willow prairie]

eys

[pallid moss]

yeah it would have to be super fast corv

[willow prairie]

it wasnt the same guy either

so idk why they had the same corv build

[pallid moss]

maybe its speed tying and it has 219 speed for gambit

although

[runic nebula]

Because noobs be noobing

[pallid moss]

the corv loses to gambit if its iron head

[low phoenix]

it doesnt matter if you faced iron head corv 2 times in a row

low ladder runs anything tbh

[willow prairie]

ik but ive had trouble with dealing with corv in the past too

honestly want to keep raging

[pallid moss]

corv is a tanky pivot

[willow prairie]

for electric

[pallid moss]

usually…

[low phoenix]

raging bolt is more of a standard/bulky offense mon

[willow prairie]

yeah i have to usually build to 4x spa with gholdengo to two shot it

[low phoenix]

i personally dont use bolt in ho since it is slow compared to other sweepers

[willow prairie]

trust me 4x is hard to get to

3x not so much

[pallid moss]

its not too bad on ho

[willow prairie]

yeah ive had that prob too

[runic nebula]

Well yeah of course 4X is hard to get to

[low phoenix]

youre not supposed to get to 4x to check one mon

[runic nebula]

^

[willow prairie]

i do tho most of my games

3x at minimum

[runic nebula]

If your way of beating a mon is to get to +6

That’s not a good check

At all

Even +4

[low phoenix]

standard gold checks corv anyways

[willow prairie]

exactly why im taking iron moth

[pallid moss]

ghold 2hkos at +1

[willow prairie]

how so?

[low phoenix]

immune to body press and resist to brave bird

[pallid moss]

if its not spdef

[willow prairie]

oh

[pallid moss]

which i doubt with the speed

[willow prairie]

so thats why

[low phoenix]

if its spdef just np once and spam shadow ball/hex

[willow prairie]

meh i like my defense

[pallid moss]

if its physdef you do that too

[willow prairie]

yeah ive run out of pp while doing that

[pallid moss]

you dont need more than 1 np

[willow prairie]

they roost spam

[pallid moss]

and they lose

[low phoenix]

corv cant spam roost forever

[pallid moss]

they spam roost till they lose spdef and die

[willow prairie]

yes but i also lose my early game sweeper which can atleast get two of their mons dead at minimum

[low phoenix]

gold is a gluemon not a hard sweeper

[pallid moss]

ghold isnt really a seeeper

[runic nebula]

There’s no such thing as an early game sweeper

[pallid moss]

just because it has a setup move doesnt mean its supposed to sweep

[willow prairie]

i turn it into a sweeper

[low phoenix]

roaring moon zama dragonite are sweepers

not gold

[willow prairie]

it basicly takes out half their team

[pallid moss]

its too slow to sweep

[low phoenix]

sweepers are supposed to set up and kill mons

[runic nebula]

Because you’re 1300 and people are still running dysfunctional teams there

[low phoenix]

^

[willow prairie]

huh

[low phoenix]

get to around 1600-1700 first

[willow prairie]

hm what do u suggest i use then

[low phoenix]

that is when you will see actually good teams

[runic nebula]

Sorry if it comes off as too harsh btw, that wasn’t the point

[pallid moss]

even if you dont know what youre doing you can literally click random buttons with ho and win

in low ladder

[runic nebula]

But like

[pallid moss]

not LITERALLY but like

its close

[runic nebula]

If a given mon was able trade itself to take out 1/2 of competent teams on a consistent basis

The Mon wouldn’t be in the tier

[pallid moss]

kingambit:

[willow prairie]

yeah uh steel types

really screw me over

if they come in early game

[low phoenix]

great tusk/zamazenta

remember when ppl thought ursaluna was gonna be ubers

[willow prairie]

oh btw

which is better in ur opinion

zama or tusk

[low phoenix]

zamazenta is a sweeper

tusk is a jack of all trades

[pallid moss]

wasnt it banned in ss

[low phoenix]

ursaluna wasnt in ss

[pallid moss]

didnt know that

then yeah i was thinking about when people thought it would be

[willow prairie]

btw

iron moth

do i want

substitute on it

or do i take psychic and dazzling on it

[low phoenix]

up to you

i like sub on moth tho

makes moth very annoying to predict against

[willow prairie]

ig i can let go of

dazzling then

[willow prairie]

ngl

i dont even pay much attention in battle

i just follow one or two strats that work

or switch in a mon

when they send smt that cant do much against

gholdengo

[runic nebula]

Pokémon is too complex to not be paying attention

[willow prairie]

and i win most of the time

[willow prairie]

i know

and i still win most of the time

says alot about low ladder ig

ngl tho

im a bit worried

about stallers

idk what i can do against them

they kinda counter me very hard

[low phoenix]

you can give psyshock to gold

fucks blissey if its unable to tera dark

[willow prairie]

but

[low phoenix]

and add taunt moon

[willow prairie]

wouldnt i like

[willow prairie]

ig

god

im still just thinking

[willow prairie]

wait

what move

would i replace

[low phoenix]

dazzling gleam or make it rain

[willow prairie]

dawg i dont even use make it rain

and why would i use psyshock on him

when i have crown

with it already

[low phoenix]

oh

uhh

[willow prairie]

plus wouldnt me teraing into psychic be very bad defensively

cuz im weak to dark in base

[low phoenix]

you dont tera psychic

[pallid moss]

why would you be tera psychic

[willow prairie]

what would i tera into then

[low phoenix]

fairy is good

[willow prairie]

yes

thats what i use

and dazzling

gets boosted from that

so why would i use psyshock on him

[low phoenix]

psyshocks hits defense

while gleam hits sp def

[willow prairie]

ik

thats why i have crown

with spe

booster

to get a calm mind in

and shi

hes also there to take care of pesky other fairies

[low phoenix]

then use crown to check blissey

and keep make it rain on gold

[willow prairie]

what do i get rid of then

i use recover shadow ball dazzle and nt

[low phoenix]

garg

[willow prairie]

oh yeah that thing

annoys me

keeps making me switch out

what about him

@low phoenix

https://pokepast.es/40cf247020c084a6 what mon could i add to cover for their weaknesses it would be great if it could have smog or haze btw

[low phoenix]

you dont need haze if youre running hyper offense

also you are missing one mon

[willow prairie]

yes

thats why im asking

what mon i could use to cover for their weakness

[willow prairie]

i do if i make a mistake and let them set up

[low phoenix]

you are weak to ground

so id go for a flying like lando t

you need rocks anyways

[low phoenix]

then dont let them set up

haze if not worth putting on hyper offense

if you want to shut down sweepers use roar zama

[willow prairie]

uh dude

hsamu

is my lead

[low phoenix]

rocks hit flyings

the vast majority of teams of all different striples have rocks

[willow prairie]

so

what do i use

[low phoenix]

lando + hamurott + gold is a good hyper offense hazard stacking core

i just said

lando

[willow prairie]

for my lead

[low phoenix]

hamurott is your lead

you dont need to lead lando

[willow prairie]

so when do i use him

[low phoenix]

when you feel comfortable taking him out

[willow prairie]

and would he be a good pivot?

[low phoenix]

part of mons is knowing when to take out stuff

you dont need a pivot in hyper offense

[willow prairie]

i do but i also have fallen into two or so patterns

[willow prairie]

so no boots

[low phoenix]

i recommend watching pinkacross's to learn about team archetypes

[willow prairie]

bruh fine

i think i mostly get it anyways

[low phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkt_fnfTCY&t=577s

[willow prairie]

but fine

[willow prairie]

okay instead of sub ima take energy ball for now

too many waters

[royal flume]

https://pokepast.es/3be00d6e69ce5c5e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[royal flume]

im bad at making teams so....

[hot dome]

very odd choice of teammates here yeah

[north nimbus]

i see the vision tho the teammate options is weird

[royal flume]

just slapped my favorite mons XD

[north nimbus]

yeah issue with that aint really going to work in some cases since u need certain stuff to cover in a team

[royal flume]

i just realized i have double sr

[north nimbus]

fwiw i do think its better off to rebuild this team its not bad but its also not right given how clashing it is in terms of team strucutre

[royal flume]

is there any ways the lokix plus enamorus can work?

[north nimbus]

seems like they both clash issue

rock weak frail glass cannons

[low phoenix]

You need to use lokix and enamorus with pivots

Based on ur team changing enam to scarf and valiant to slowking g/mola should do the trick

leaning towards mola cuz some of your mons appreciate wish support like ting lu and you want a tusk check

Wait no maybe corv because your defensive mons are weak to grass

Or change valiant to mola and gold to g weezing and you have a fat team that is easily able to pivot your glass cannons in and support them

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/f116925b60779bd7 My first self-made OU team, any tips?

main things are is the defensive core too much and am I running the right valiant build for my situation

[clever rover]

Iron defense kingambit 😭

[sacred delta]

Tf?

Iron head

Unless i mistyped it

Oh i did

Its supposed to be iron head

I just typed iron and hit wntwr lmao

[clever rover]

Also

You kinda get owned by booster Val

Cm variants

[hot dome]

this team doesnt really work

you have a core of three offensive threats that look like bulky offense but then anchor them with three balance/fat mons

and banded val is kinda meh

[clever rover]

And yeah dozo ain’t too great outside of stall tbh

[sacred delta]

Do i scrap it or can i ship of theseus my way out of it

[hot dome]

ngl looks like a scrap but you can defo take the core of val bolt gambit to a bulky offense team with good success

slap on like lando gking insert mon here

[sacred delta]

Whats gking

Oh galar slowking?

[hot dome]

ye

[sacred delta]

Ill try that out thx

Getting into an actually played format instead of nat dex monotype or sm is kinda goated lmao

[blazing swallow]

help me pls https://pokepast.es/8ceffc02ba883575

[low phoenix]

what teamstyle are you going for

because this team looks very passive

[blazing swallow]

h stack ig

[low phoenix]

lokix should not be your only offensive threat

oh

uhh

[blazing swallow]

its supposed to be a very fat team

[low phoenix]

you are missing ting lu then

ting lu is pretty much mandatory in fat teams

[blazing swallow]

hm

[low phoenix]

skarmory is meh rn i feel like you can drop him

[blazing swallow]

then how will i counter gambit

[low phoenix]

on my own hazard stack team i use boots zama

i really want to recommend keldeo but thats not really a standard mon to use in ou so i wont recommend it

[blazing swallow]

i mean its still viable tho

[low phoenix]

or keep skarm (make it its body press set) with stealth rock

add ting lu for spikes

[blazing swallow]

i got clef for stealth rocks

i dropped skarm for zama

[low phoenix]

make gliscor its swords dance set

you dont need lokix prob change it to boots meowscarada

so meow clef ting zama pecha gliscor

i think that is a decent hazard stacak team comp

https://pokepast.es/59e85a3783cb95e5

this is my hazard stack team for reference

[crude shuttle]

This team doesn’t stop losing but I can’t tell what’s wrong.

https://pokepast.es/85897b779dc79638
please help

[willow prairie]

https://pokepast.es/e3c29039cf05aa71

having trouble with water types

[silver river]

add OgerponW

[willow prairie]

who do i replace

[silver river]

Moth

[willow prairie]

bro

i had a massive problem against with corv and other steel walls before him

hes needed

btw which ogerpon is w form btw

water?

[silver river]

OgerponW does around 42% to corv with ivy cudgel

[silver river]

Wellspring

[willow prairie]

and what does he do to kinggambit may i ask

[silver river]

You have lando for gambit

[willow prairie]

he dies too early for him

[silver river]

Play better

[willow prairie]

also grass

will be an even bigger problem

with sun based teams

[tacit bluff]

You can go with raging bolt over iron crown ngl

[willow prairie]

wouldnt i have no steel attackers then?

and be left vunerable to other dragons and fairys

which are abundant?

and landourus?

[tacit bluff]

You have gholdengo

Just switch it to make it rain over dazzling gleam

[pallid moss]

bro you have a whole great tusk

and wellspring still handles gambit better than iron moth

[willow prairie]

hes

just a rapid spinner

[willow prairie]

but what will i do about grass types then tho

UGHH

THIS IS ALL SUCH A PAIN

ykw

ima just try it out

and see if i like it more

if i dont

il just keep super weak to water then ig

[pallid moss]

uh

no

if youre using great tusk as “just a rapid spinner” that might be one of your issues

[willow prairie]

he gets killed too fast most of the time

to do anything else

[pallid moss]

wait how are you saying its just a rapid spinner while using a bulk up set

[willow prairie]

gets

killed too fast

to be able to do much

in most situations

its weak to fighting to water to grass to flying to fairy

cant even hit ghosts

and a strong enough dragon type move will kill it

[runic nebula]

Strong moves kill offensive poke

[hot dome]

hey didnt you post this team already?

[willow prairie]

i dont think so

its a bit different then last time i think

[hot dome]

ok all you did was change a move and swap a mon

wtv

tusk needs spinner over cc, if you're running lando drop hamurott, you are devastatingly ground weak so you should probably swap on Zamazenta over Hamurott, and val over ghold is probably better for some speed control

zamazenta sohuld be iron defense body press, valiant should be calm mind psyshock or mixed

[oblique pawn]

https://pokepast.es/b7d7cf5f81edc105
rate my sun team that to be honest is just a bunch of poorly cobbled together smogon strategy dex movesets/kingambit fodder
also suggestions on how i could improve it, if possible.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[burnt hedge]

this team good?

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/819751d712cd1a43

What do you guys think?

[hot dome]

where did all the sprites go gg

[hot dome]

Please test your teams before posting them here

This team is not even usable on ladder

[spice adder]

https://pokepast.es/e2f8df5ec1835fab

this team struggles against offense, is there a way i could integrate more priority or stronger pivots

[crimson rampart]

Mienshao balance https://pokepast.es/d927dfe7af953e8a
Something's wrong with the build. It kinda has a problem vs Iron Hands and certain tera fairy mons. Chomp was Ting for a while but I didn't like CC being a good move into both my ground types (this is also why Chomp is spdef), Zapdos was Corv for a bit too but it felt like I was letting literally everything in (partly skill issue obv). Also tried Slowking > Alo for a bit but I felt like Wish was too good vs slow teams.

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/960fcb079391bd01 🌤️

[rancid shale]

I give this team an 11/10 based on nicknames alone

[lunar fern]

https://pokepast.es/cae3d97a3ad31fd6

Kinda new to building my own teams, got to 1500s with this but it feels really matchup dependant and inconsistent

Dunno if glim and zama really fit in this, also don't know if I should run banded or iron def zama if i keep it. Was thinking of maybe slapping on moth booster speed eball fiery sludge sub but dunno if it really makes sense either.

Tera water garg is very annoying as my best response is glimm energy ball and that's not really a great check lmao, pult is sometimes a struggle as I don't have priority and val can really only check it if it has booster or is very healthy

Oh yeah and the iv spreads are also like not good at all lol

[hot dome]

a lot of these sets... just don't work

glimmora can barely survive long enough to set rocks and its definitely not a good screens setter

weakness policy tusk isn't that great beacuse anything hiting you super effectively is most likely also ohkoing you

sacred sword is ass on crown and you'd much rather have the dps of focus blast + crown is really awkward here in general

not really sure what's up with the bolt evs but don't do that

if you want to run sun, you have to dedicate to it

none of this glimmora and iron crown stuff

• your speed control is relaly poor

i would recommend you look to either leng loi sun or srn sun, while both are a bit dated they're rpobably the some of the best sun structures for now (though i havent seen the playstyle in general for quite a bit ngl)

https://pokepast.es/ff9a7880c16acd1d Leng Loi sun
https://pokepast.es/6a30608cd62cbb2e Srn sun

[hot dome]

this is mostly solid but don't run specs venusaur run life orb growth you already have quite a few breakers, and not the biggest fan of tran a mon like slither wing would be better imo for a pivot or even hatterene to check dragons

[odd jackal]

I ain't played in a while, ion need to update this team right?: https://pokepast.es/443e68760216731d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[odd jackal]

(it's time to get cooked by faya)

[rancid shale]

somebody fix my team ugh

https://pokepast.es/4a498e7da713ad1a

it feels so linear

if they have a gholdengo + anything that needs raging bolt to tera, i lose

if they have toxic spikes i lose

i hate this team

[odd jackal]

Add knock off on tusk

Over head smash

Also imo prima comes out

But idk what comes in its place

[rancid shale]

but then i lose to zapdos and moltres

Gterrain just sucks

[odd jackal]

I know what

[odd jackal]

No

[odd jackal]

Curse Garg

[rancid shale]

but that wastes so many terrain turns

[odd jackal]

https://pokepast.es/03890fd5d3d9a408

You don't have to curse

[rancid shale]

earthquake on terrain…

[odd jackal]

Oh right

[rancid shale]

to do nothing even more to gholdengo

[odd jackal]

Salt cure

[odd jackal]

Bp instead

[rancid shale]

now my tusk matchup is awful

[odd jackal]

Not rlly

Idt headlong can kill garg

U have 2 flyers

Outspeed it

And gterrain rilla

[rancid shale]

ice spinner kills half my team and hlr kills the other half

[odd jackal]

Bro does not get it off in time

[rancid shale]

so the solution is that you scare it out with lucha

[odd jackal]

Tusk is 87 spred

[rancid shale]

but that wastes the seed and its only temporary

[odd jackal]

You can glide it

Moonblast

If you don't like that

[rancid shale]

to do 60% as it removes terrain and is faster

[odd jackal]

Play the tusk mirror

[rancid shale]

im gonna go play isaac

[odd jackal]

It only does 60?

Damn

Nerf fucked that shit up

[clever rover]

Fire punch?

Nah

Head smash on tusk is supposed to be shiest but I would recommend stone edge if you REALLY want to hit moltres

I think edge kills pretty easily after small chip and isn’t 50% recoil

And isn’t context

Contact

[rancid shale]

can i get help from an official team rater

fire punch is 100% necessary on hawlucha unless running tera blast ground or some crap to hit dengo because otherwise you are basically farmed by it

[willow prairie]

https://pokepast.es/2b545ea07cc7ae67 any tips?

[hot dome]

you were already given advice

[hot dome]

just in case you somehow didnt see it, here's the advice

but please don't repost teams for a third time

[willow prairie]

its not the same

[hot dome]

dude you swapped out one mon

its the same

either listen to the advice given or stop posting the team

[odd jackal]

It gets that?

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/9cb28b3d8d4c9ab6 🎉

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

There are a lot of things wrong with this web team

For one corv and cinderace being here which the former completely sinks momentum and the latter just doesn’t help webs nor benefit from it. Also the sets are really off examples include rimbombee, Roaring moon, and iron vals spread is off as well. I think this is beyond repair I recommend looking at samples and sample sets to have a better understanding of what goes together.

[mortal edge]

Thank you for your criticism.

I teambuild myself because sample teams to me feels oftentimes don't fit me.

[empty verge]

https://pokepast.es/75eb16310fc518ff
https://pokepast.es/8b2a0fdb624ed637

here are some fun webs teams built by friends of mine.

[empty verge]

Nothing wrong with them tbh it helps teach you how to play till you are comfortable building stuff on your own

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[empty verge]

Here are resources for gen 9 ou as well

Including the viability rankings

[mortal edge]

I will use these until I climb to a rank where I'm comfortable building my own teams.

Thanks!

[empty verge]

Np I’ll be here if needed goodluck!

[cold cosmos]

harcanine webs reminds me of sav team 🤩

[sacred delta]

https://pokepast.es/9f8119a243a677c9 help with this team? main thing I noticed is that i struggle with stall and have a crippling weakness to fairy

i have checks to fairy with tera fire, poision, etc, but i still have weakness to it

[low phoenix]

Life orb valiant isn’t very good

Change it to pivot gking for a poison and dairy resist and pivot

You change change focus blast on Darkrai to trick to cripple a stallmon

[sacred delta]

i lose stab moonblast tho

ig i have tera fairy dazzling gleam

but its not the same yk

[low phoenix]

Umm valiant has moonblast

Which is strictly better

[sacred delta]

What?

[low phoenix]

Calm mind set sounds good

[sacred delta]

You are saying drop valiant for gking, and then that valiat has mb

[low phoenix]

Oh

I forgot lol

Yea change valiant to gking then

Ignore my valiant suggestion

Your team looks like a bulky offense and you already have scarf rai for speed control

[rancid shale]

LO valiant is so fun

i love ohkoing gking

[low phoenix]

Valiant isn’t really supposed to check gking

You have a great tusk a gholdengo and a darkrai

[odd jackal]

Its been 26 hrs so i think i can do this again: https://pokepast.es/443e68760216731d

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

Naming them sets they aren't is hilarious lmfao

[cold cosmos]

weather ball with no weather

why no trick on clef

name pult specs

[tacit bluff]

Because it doesn't need trick?

Knock off sticky barb

All you need

[cold cosmos]

wait

does mguard clef not take sticky barb

[tacit bluff]

Yeah

Because it's indirect damage

[cold cosmos]

mb im dumb

[odd jackal]

Also all the nicknames are fake

[cold cosmos]

i noticed

haha

[odd jackal]

Ah

What do yall think tho

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

How do you ev train outside of smogon?

Also team looks fine

Looks like something I’d build

[clever rover]

Vitamins, power items, etc

[clever rover]

Probably not, I’ll need a rater to confirm.

[low phoenix]

Fair enough

[low phoenix]

Wait actually I like balance teams so ima try your team out

Change close combat on tusk to knock off since u don’t have a knocker

And great tusk + moltres checks gambit sufficiently

[green crest]

First glance from someone who’s far from professional it looks like Iron Hands would give the team a bit of an issue, from playing did you go through any problems with it? (This isn’t me rating or giving ANY advice to change something I’m just curious and trying to learn)

[low phoenix]

iron hands isnt good in ou

great tusk checks it just fine

[green crest]

Thanks for the response!

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/af0bf015bd49c175

I am building a team for a tournament outside of smogon.

The only catch is that we are not playing on showdown, we are playing on the actual game.

Don’t worry, I have time to prep for it.

Oh and also I really like subtect kyurem.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

And yes, I have time for both the 0 speed and attack don’t worry.

[hot dome]

you already posted it you dont need to repost it again unless its been a day or so

[blazing swallow]

u do need a knocker

[clever rover]

Knocker? I don’t think I’m going hazard stack

[hot dome]

anyways your speed control is mid you will struggle heavily into sun and your plan against ogerpon is shaky at best

[clever rover]

Damn I didn’t realize

[hot dome]

try slotting on hex dpult/zamazenta somewhere

also helps with the gambit mu

[low phoenix]

does zapdos in place of moltres work

[hot dome]

doesnt check any of those three boxes lol

o yeah funnily enough this team also has a pretty bad mu into head smash tusk

idk how common that it but ive been passed a few teams with it so

[low phoenix]

isnt head smash tusk niche

[hot dome]

something to consider at least

[low phoenix]

im playing on 1600s rn and i feel like its not common enough to really worry about

[hot dome]

like i said, just something to consider

[meager sigil]

Nerf tusk

this is my newbie aah team https://pokepast.es/365819d289606468

[clever rover]

Hmmm I got one in my boxes, seems good

[clever rover]

Try a sample team instead

[meager sigil]

i also have

https://pokepast.es/746511d8a6db84dd

[clever rover]

Or maybe a team bazaar team

[clever rover]

It’s just a s bad

[meager sigil]

making teams is more fun than playing ngl

[clever rover]

Just as bad

[low phoenix]

Every Mon except for rillaboom is niche at best

[meager sigil]

HELL YEA

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/038ce5790151fc80

hmm… like this?

[hot dome]

ghold mu is a bit riskier but looks decent

[clever rover]

Well I sure hope nothing goes wrong with this one 👍

[low phoenix]

is it bad if my team doesnt have a steel

i assume a steel int strictly mandatory but it is very good to have one

[alpine hornet]

id be tera wafter garg here tbh

but yeah looks good

[blazing swallow]

i kinda feel like choice band pult is tough for the team to handle

but its niche

[hot dome]

tera fairy garg is a perfectly fine check

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/ab102ba3b6f46fc1 🤺

[twin umbra]

https://pokepast.es/cca8dc5e0f7f0431 I think that some mons are bad here but idk

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

think this was posted earlier

its insanely slow

kinda overboard on the speed control for a team that isnt particularly weak to rocks

[broken shard]

https://pokepast.es/a2baa5ef4ea5d1e9
Here is a dual dark team I made, Ik it looks awkward but it works in 1600's ☠️

lacks hazards control
some speed control via priority/webs
no electric immunity
erm how do i fix it?

[twin umbra]

Wdym

The pokemon are slow or the progress is slow

[cold cosmos]

💀

1. why pecharunt

2. tusk/treads

3. bisharp?

[broken shard]

I don't expect a pbfie to understand...

jk erm pecharunt to spinblock

[hot dome]

ghold is just strictly better than pecharunt, bisharp is ass, and enamorus without boots is pretty risky especially since you don't have hazard control and even then you'd much rather run exeprt belt

bisharp for tusk pecharunt for ghold and this is a solid team

[broken shard]

the thing is If choose ghold having 3 steel types wouldn't be so ideal

[hot dome]

yeah that's why i said drop bisharp

[broken shard]

ah ok

[hot dome]

also idk why reflect araquanid but don't

just run endeavor

[broken shard]

ic

what tusk set should I go? helmet/scarf/booster

[hot dome]

bulk up or 4 attack

booster speed or booster attack both work

[broken shard]

alr ty for the help

ig there are wayyy to many araquanids so defiant bisharp was working for me

[hot dome]

if you want an anti webs mon just run serperior

[tacit bluff]

Or like

Flying types

[cold cosmos]

defiant gambit moment

[tacit bluff]

Defiant gambit real trust

[cold cosmos]

what about that one item

boots

[tacit bluff]

That too

[broken shard]

most 1600-1700 just forget about defiant

but yeah the changes u said are better

[tacit bluff]

Bisharp just isn't very good lol

It's biggest thing is justifying it over kingambit is nye impossible

[broken shard]

not viable in sv unfort

[tacit bluff]

Like why lol

[broken shard]

dark spam 🤑

[hot dome]

literally just kingambit but weaker and more issues with no upsides

[tacit bluff]

Insert eviolite bisharp post from r/stunfisk here

[tacit bluff]

Especially because kingambit also has defiant if you wanna use it for whatever reason

Supreme overlord is usually strictly better but like, if you wanted defiant it's just an upgrade

Plus kingambit doesn't care too much about webs since ur not outspeeding much anyway

[broken shard]

your right

the issue is sucker punch has always been that is a 50/50

[hot dome]

well bisharp has the exact same issue so

[broken shard]

errr

one more thing

for dengo do I go twave + hex

or

3 attacks + nasty plot

[hot dome]

np

[broken shard]

ty

[meager sigil]

https://pokepast.es/25d4cb704d33cd5e

[quaint anvil]

https://pokepast.es/871d5c9bfb3b37dd

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quaint anvil]

Can anyone rate this team?

[languid galleon]

What kind of playstyle is this?

I’d say BO?

[quaint anvil]

What?

I don't speak English that well, if you could avoid using acronyms that would be great.

[languid galleon]

🤦‍♂️

[languid galleon]

Balanced offense

[quaint anvil]

Yes

[quaint anvil]

Thanks

[languid galleon]

It feels weird to have both volt switch and thunderbolt on the same set tbh

[quaint anvil]

From 0 to 10, what grade would you give?

[languid galleon]

Wha

Uuh

5

(On just rotom specifically everything else is fine for now)

[quaint anvil]

What would be a 10/10 team for you?

If I could pass the pokepast of a 10/10 team, I

[languid galleon]

Tera grass heatran

Air balloon Tera fly gives of rotom fan vibes

[quaint anvil]

Ok

Could you tell me a very good team?

For championships

[languid galleon]

I’m outside rn

[languid galleon]

Also for what championships

[quaint anvil]

Difficult championships maybe from Smogon even in the SV OU tier

[alpine hornet]

*bulky offense

[languid galleon]

Same thing

[quaint anvil]

Can anyone tell me a really good team for SV OU?

[low phoenix]

Samples

[barren ridge]

This isn't the place to ask for teams, this channel is for having completed teams rated for improvement. If you want teams then go look at the sample thread or the bazaar

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[hot dome]

this team doesn't work, unfortunately, almost all of these sets are unviable and gengar in genreal doesn't work in the tier

the evs on zamazenta need to be fixed, av cinderace is unviable, dozo's ev spread doesn't work either and it can't afford to run lefties, you need to fix gking's evs as well and change its tera type

in general this team seems to be awkwardly split between a bulkier offense/balance team, and then dozo which only really fits on stall/fat teams

it lacks both offensive breaking power, as your only real attackers are idbp zamazenta and np gengar, the former of which isn't enough and the latter of which is unviable

and defensive staying power, as you lack both hazards and any status to pressure the opponent, so you eventually will get overwhelmed + you struggle into common breakers like waterpon kyurem etc anyways

[meager sigil]

Thats fine honestly

[hot dome]

ok then this isn't the channel for you, if you're not looking to improve your team

[meager sigil]

No thats not what i mean lol

[hot dome]

ok well if you want to improve the team i would recommend you take a sample for the time being since you seem somewhat new to building, and samples are a good way to learn the tier

for ex: here's a cinderace gking dozo fat balance team

https://pokepast.es/dc167c04c48e7010

you can find them at the link here
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[meager sigil]

i'll try this rn im focusing on duos its more fun for me

[hot dome]

that's fair

[meager sigil]

is there an alternative to ting lu

[hot dome]

not really, ting lu's unique bulk and typing are kinda necessary

[meager sigil]

okay sure i'll try this

[alpine hornet]

@meager sigil very slight change but with level 99 gking u dont need defense investment, just go 4 evs def max spdef

bc you aint living meow knock anymore anyway

[meager sigil]

wait hold on why 99

@alpine hornet

[runic nebula]

Speed

[alpine hornet]

personal preference and team-dependent probably so i'd keep it here, but in general just to underspeed other gkings for slower chilly

[runic nebula]

You want to be slower than other Glowking

[meager sigil]

ooh i see smart

lvl 98 next tech?!

[runic nebula]

Probably exists somewhere

Also you need 0 speed IVs

If it wasn’t mentioned

[meager sigil]

can i copy paste the team quickly

is there a way

[stoic rivet]

https://pokepast.es/11159f821f5be521 opinions? i was thinking abt getting someone out for a dragapult

and getting mimikyu in too maybe idk

[clever rover]

I see 4 UU mons

That says something

[low phoenix]

Tinkaton is good

But not on this team

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/86a5ade7a3abe57e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal meadow]

https://pokepast.es/8b2eaeb619f06cb9

thoughts?

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/1875be93b057a164

Tried to make my own team, I need help with tera types

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/5aba032f807b4125

improved it

[pallid moss]

use smogon for the sets

[frail fossil]

https://pokepast.es/14de7f435d237246 first team I have made on my own grabbed a few wins with it sometimes feels good sometimes doesnt. I think I make a few misplays being new to VGC altogether.

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/3ebe65d8784143c9

walking wake as pre-ban gouging fire (bulky physical)

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/630882b2b08bd248

looking for a rate for this bulky offense team with a specs pult + cinderace core

[tepid hazel]

You should use this pult instead;

Dragapult (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Infiltrator
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

• U-turn
• Thunder Wave
• Hex
• Dragon Darts

More flexible

[low phoenix]

specs pult is fine on more offensive teams

shadow ball is very spammable

also i have hazard control

[tepid hazel]

if you say so

[tepid hazel]

https://pokepast.es/61d5ac53b297b9b9

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

team looks solid but a lot of the sets are not great

particularly the waterpon

team is also super ground weak like idk what ur gonna do vs a bulk up tusk

[low phoenix]

does that apply to my team too by any chance?

[echo rampart]

meh u got lando so its ok

[low phoenix]

yea i figured lando + waterpon + pult can check tusk decently

[low phoenix]

Is it weird that my teams has 5 pivots

I just realize that lmao

[cold cosmos]

not really?

you could make wogre sd if u wanna ig

[past sapphire]

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[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[eager plaza]

bump

[hot dome]

ok, dont

gouging fire was a unique mon and nothing else will fill its unique place so please dont try and force wake into a role its really not suited for

[eager plaza]

hear me out its good

[cold cosmos]

we should bring it back 😔

nothing else can be like gouging

one of a kind

[hot dome]

It’s not, and if you want to build around a gimmick this isn’t the channel to do so

[cold cosmos]

can we bring back gouging fire though

[hot dome]

Idk I’m not on council

[cold cosmos]

damn

know anyone on council

[hot dome]

Yes but it’s not going to happen anyways stop asking about it

If the support is there it’ll happen whether or not you pester me about it, and if the support isn’t there it won’t happen no matter how many times you ask me

[cold cosmos]

dang

dang