SV OU Rates

[cold cosmos]

this team is cooked?

[hot dome]

I mean it looks like a solid 6, for the most part

O and Darkrai mu is iffy

Yeah maybe Zama is the play here

[cold cosmos]

hows the stall matchup

[cold cosmos]

i actually did have zama for tusk here, and lando for zapdos

i didnt like the lack of removal tho

[hot dome]

rough but workable with hex pult and waterpon

[rotund lodge]

Iron Moth

Iron Moth used Dazzling Gleam!

It’s super effective!

The opponent’s Kyurem fainted!

[tacit bluff]

Iron moth is not a solid kyurem check lmao

It can be in a pinch but it runs in fear of earth power

It's also not taking the dragon stab very well either

Not the worst MU not the best MU either

[rotund lodge]

With booster energy it’ll fry dragons to a crisp

[tacit bluff]

Booster Spa yes, booster speed idk the calc but doubt it ohkos

[rotund lodge]

Tera fairy go brr

[tacit bluff]

If you have to commit Tera it's not a check

[soft maple]

@hot dome
what am I supposed to learn?

[hot dome]

Common sets and cores, best mons in the metagame and their respective roles, typical counterplay and checks to each of these mons, etc

[rotund lodge]

https://pokepast.es/9f60d4e2db447ee2 Revision of a revision

[hot dome]

I mean it already got rated so

I don’t know what you’re really looking for here lol

Valiant weak but you were already told this

[rotund lodge]

I swapped gmolt for zama

[hot dome]

Yeah ik

It’s literally the exact same team with one Mon swapped

Not much more advice to give, especially since I already gave you said advice in comp gen

Sure is screens

Run Tera fire zama idk why you’re Tera fighting

[soft maple]

can you recommend a team with more stratregy?
i literality did not lost any match with this ultra ofensive
literality 9/9

[hot dome]

Pick any of the balance teams

[soft maple]

where?

[hot dome]

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[soft maple]

all that teams is balanced teams?

[hot dome]

Some of them are called so and so “balance”

That’s the balance teams

[soft maple]

ok

[soft maple]

yo

https://pokepast.es/7af2ea61a10efa29 see
i did this team based on the ofensive team that you asked for me to play, then ill explain the changes and if you can, reply that, correcting my mistakes

[tacit bluff]

we don't rate modified sample teams

the team you took was a sample team which was built by some of the best players

[soft maple]

its mine team

[tacit bluff]

typically changes to them make them worse

[tacit bluff]

well its based on the offence team that faya linked right

[soft maple]

have 2 pokes

of that

and 1 of them, i was already using

i just incorporated thne samurot

[tacit bluff]

I'm not quite sure what this team is trying to go for ftr

is this offence? if so there's some odd choices here

what team did you base this off of anyway

[soft maple]

im writing

wait

[tacit bluff]

nw take your time

[soft maple]

i'm not sure if this build for lu is good, maybe body press would be more offensive, but it brings vulnerability against ghost types. i like to mess with whirlwind, but it can be swapped out.
galarian slowking has toxic to support gholdengos hex, and it also uses the standard build with future sight and sludge bomb (the sludge bomb threatens grass-types, which can be annoying).
i really liked playing with samurott and used the same build on it, op
i wanted to play with ogerpon, i'm not sure if it made sense, maybe not, but it would absorb water type moves that threaten tinglu and great tusk while adding offensive pressure.
great tusk tanks hits and removes hazards (it can also remove terrains with ice spinner) while having knock off and a solid stab ground type move.
gholdengo can take a lot of hits and hits hard with hex. thunder wave synergizes with hex and adds safety for my team.

i won a lot of battles with that offensive team, and i wanted to variate

[soft maple]

its not to be completely offensive, it's a bit of any playstyle.

having the strategy and the offensive part

[tacit bluff]

well thats supposed to be balance but this lacks a fair few crucial features of a balance core

[soft maple]

like what

[tacit bluff]

you don't really have a defensive core

this leans more to BO if anything but then ting lu is sorta out of place

[soft maple]

what i can put on tinglu place?

what would you change

[tacit bluff]

well depends what would you wanna lean more into, Bulky offence or Balance?

cause if its the latter Ting Lu can stay but then some other things I'd drop instead

[soft maple]

balance

make your changes

[tacit bluff]

Hmmm well, I'd drop hamurott for another hazard setter, maybe skarmory, you can also make ting lu spikes and pass the stealth rocker role to skarm, then you could make Ogerpon something like hexpult or moltres to help your gholdengo do some extra stuff with hex, also drop nasty plot on hex ghold for make it rain

[soft maple]

i dont know what is hex pult

no way to keep hamurot?

the nasty plot is beeing a lot of op, no one beats ghold in a ik

[tacit bluff]

Literally any normal type will stonewall ghold

[soft maple]

it would be good?

[tacit bluff]

Hexpult is dragapult with hex + thunder wave or will-o-wisp dragon darts or Draco meteor and u turn

You can look it up on the smogon strategy dex

[soft maple]

on orgepon place?

[tacit bluff]

Yeah, balance forgoes immediate offensive pressure for long term damage over time

[tacit bluff]

Hamurott doesn't really fit balance as well, it's not very tanky and lacks recovery, it's typically only found on offense structures due to how aggressive of a hazard setter it is

[soft maple]

ok, but i would say its offensive

i thought

that balance

was the mescle of

offensive pokes with some status pokes

[tacit bluff]

There's different kinds of balance structures but they usually stack hazards and have a few hard hitting mons in the back

[soft maple]

heatran will be a good change?

what you think

with willospy

[tacit bluff]

Yours would lean more defensive tho, so if you wanna lean more into offence we can make a couple swaps, you could make lando the stealth rocker and slot specially defensive moltres which then frees up your glowking slot instead of a special wall to put a potential attacker

Like roost dnite

[soft maple]

earth plate lando?

[tacit bluff]

Heatran isn't very good in this meta unfort

[soft maple]

ok

[tacit bluff]

Rocky helmet is usually the way to go, you can make it speed boosting nature max speed max attack btw

Earthquake hurts a lot

[soft maple]

ok

do you think lando gonna tank to take advantage of rocky?

i put 20 points in hp

[tacit bluff]

Lando outspeeds a fair bit of the pokes on the slower end of the metagame and has intimidate to patch up its physical bulk too

You can make it the defensive utility set if you really want but that does less damage obv

[soft maple]

who shoud i take out to moltres?

[soft maple]

i will mescle on damage and special def

it makes me scary

https://pokepast.es/ccf19b5a4949d347

see

[low phoenix]

You can go earth power to check Zama/great tusk/not trigger glimmora spikes

also i feel lkie u turn is better on lando t usually since youre able to pivot around switch-ins and get mons in safely

or if you want speed control you can give lando its scarf set and change knock off on tusk to stealth rock

also change samurott hisui to kingambit since this team looks weak to darkrai and samurott h fits more on offense/hyper offense/certain balance

[soft maple]

i just arrive

im gonna turn my pc on and read with calm

[soft maple]

earth power on land?

why

[soft maple]

i will say it

to see the reacts

ill test

[soft maple]

ok

king gambit with swdance?

suckerpunch

dude

xscissor kills darkrai

vs samurotts more offensive, i have 2 ways to beat
if he would use razor shell, ogerpon is imunne and if he use
great tusk, ghold tera type fairy and samurot himself takes dark types well

[clever rover]

Darkrai used nasty plot! Darkrai used sludge bomb!

Samu isn’t a check when it isn’t resistant to all the moves it runs bar focus blast

[low phoenix]

You can also switch gold to booster raging bolt for a bulky Mon that can do instant dmg and a bird + waterpon check

Wait I’m just describing the bulky offense sample team that exists already lmao

[soft maple]

i need a mon with fighting moves

thats the deal

[soft maple]

wait

how can i do that

i really do not understood

[soft maple]

chill lol

[soft maple]

iron hands plays on meta?

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/04c8845bb9bf1660

how is this team cooking so far

didnt actually test it yet but changed some stuff from nocturne's balance team to something that is more my liking

Honestly might try keldeo over kyurem bc it condenses a tusk + gambit + gliscor Check and will swap Zama for pult if I do that

[tacit bluff]

Keldeo doesn't like to eat a headlong rush but yeah otherwise should be able to mog tusk

I think it's a good shout

[low phoenix]

shout?

[tacit bluff]

As in a good idea

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/17d78b379d9daf33

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow crest]

attempt at darkspam

[hexed mulch]

https://pokepast.es/d72d6188cdb6a765

not really sure what I'm doing

any help would be nice

[low phoenix]

gengar is bad and a noobtrap i keep seeing in low ladder for some reason

sableye is bad

[hexed mulch]

how so?

[low phoenix]

av wake is a niche set and wake only works on sun in general anyways

entei is bad

belibolt is super niche and shouldnt bbe used as your first choice

azelf is bad

gengar is outclassed by ghosts like gholdengo and dragapult and doesnt have the defensive utility it once has since it lost levitate

[hexed mulch]

how is azelf bad?..

[low phoenix]

azelf is outclassed by other leads such as landorus and glimmora

if youre trying to use it as an attacker there are beter special attackers like darkrai

[hexed mulch]

this is uu not ou

oh wait

this is ou sorry

[hexed mulch]

what's a good item for dragapult?

drago fang?

[tacit bluff]

Depends on the set

The pivot set is usually heavy duty boots

[chilly breach]

https://pokepast.es/cd86bb2c7cba6141

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[chilly breach]

This is what im using, how should i change it/how should i operate it ?

Feel free to ping me btw

[hexed mulch]

doesn't it have levitate?

[tacit bluff]

No

It's abilities are clear body cursed body and infiltrator

[hexed mulch]

oh I must be mistaken, apologies

[tacit bluff]

Nw

[hexed mulch]

I think I was thinking of gengar which no longer has levitate

is hyper offense dragapult possible?

[tacit bluff]

it is but I'm personally not a big fan of it

[hexed mulch]

why is that?

[tacit bluff]

to call its physical movepool a movepool is an insult to pools

its more of a movepuddle

[hexed mulch]

I see

[tacit bluff]

which renders its dragon dance sets a bit less potent

you don't have that many options, you're usually forced to tera to get relevant coverage

[hexed mulch]

so in what case do I use dragapult?

[tacit bluff]

dragapult has a couple sets

as I mentioned it has a pivot set that aims to be disruptive while still exerting decent pressure with moves like will-o-wisp/twave + hex

and it being so fast means that its hard to Punish its U-turn either

[hexed mulch]

I see, so what should I build its stats? assuming I'm using twave, hex, u-turn and reflect

[tacit bluff]

thats not the only option tho, it has a nasty specs set which can really hurt a lot of slower mons

not reflect

[hexed mulch]

or is reflect not really viable

I see

[tacit bluff]

reflect means ur probably gonna run a screens team

[hexed mulch]

sorry I'm getting back into it after about a year lol

[tacit bluff]

unlike vgc where reflect is more generally applicable and even then its not that widespread, in singles screens are often reserved for HO teams on a dedicated screens lead too

and even then screens is not that common on HO due to the presence of cinderace, who hard counters those teams

[hexed mulch]

yeahh

[tacit bluff]

yknow all this time I haven't actually looked at the team you sent

lol

[hexed mulch]

I'm slowly building it I only have 1 mon and I'm working on dragapult however I could make a pokepaste rq

https://pokepast.es/c9d65d8e996a6869

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hexed mulch]

obviously dragapult isn't done

[tacit bluff]

if ur building it from scratch this is better taken to compgen or compgen 2

[hexed mulch]

ohh

[tacit bluff]

we only rate finished teams here

[hexed mulch]

apologies

[tacit bluff]

but I can help you out anyway, just not in this channel

nw

[hexed mulch]

sent it there! ^-^

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/3516b9b249efd489

is having 2 knockers on this team ok?

[tacit bluff]

yeah I think its good, although I do think a spinblocker would be useful here too

[low phoenix]

probably sinistcha over molt if i add a spinblocker

gold would be nice but it doesnt switch as nicely into tusk

although molt checks most hazard removal options itself anyways

[tacit bluff]

it does, but this team does really wanna maximise hazard damage ngl

kyurem and zamazenta are good damage dealers but they're not rly wincons

[low phoenix]

yea i agree

[tacit bluff]

gliscor is the only real sweeper and unfort facade knock does have some bad matchups

and also facade ain't doing that much without the tera

so hazards help you a lot

[low phoenix]

i figured zam would check the bad matchups for gliscor such as gambit

[tacit bluff]

yeah thats fine its just hazards help gliscor get a lot more done

[low phoenix]

yea tusk is everywhere above mid ladder so better have something that can spinblock lol

i just realized

[low phoenix]

ok lfg just beat an 1800s player with my adjusted team

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/e5ce5b6413f2027b CHAT CAN I MAKE IT TO 1900

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

So yeah I got an event outside of smogon where we do ladder challenges

Where i have to get to a certain elo

And for this challenge the elo is 1900

Really high imo

Idk if I can really do it but I gotta try

[low phoenix]

Ayo where’s ur rocker

[clever rover]

Oops

[clever rover]

I forgor 💀

[low phoenix]

I’d replace tusk knock with rocks

Should be good after

[low phoenix]

Mind if u send me your finished team after

[clever rover]

Kek

[low phoenix]

Been looking to pair Rilla with sub kyu for a while

[clever rover]

Have you ever even reached that high?

[low phoenix]

No

I’m 1660 on my main

My peak was like 1740

Also maybe rocky helmet on tusk but leftovers is fine too

[low phoenix]

Also @clever rover YOUR ABILITIES

I JUST PLAYED WITH YOUR TEAM AND I WAS LIKE WHY SLOWKING G ISNT RECOVERING HP

[blazing swallow]

Nah curious medicine is devious

[blazing swallow]

https://pokepast.es/0d86344e37f9f1bf rate this grass spam

ik it gets 6-0ed by bolt so how do i fix that

[cold cosmos]

why is there a random garg ther

[low phoenix]

i think garg can work on grassy terrain

it really likes extra recovery and less eq damage

[cold cosmos]

they have 5 offensive mons and a garg

idk what it does there

why not tusk or smth

[tacit bluff]

Tusk doesn't appreciate g terrain that much

Extra recovery nice but it means it can't run ice spinner and also makes it's grass weakness worse

Granted this isn't a g terrain team

So

It's not that big of an issue

[clever rover]

Rip I forgor

[cold cosmos]

bulk up does i think

[empty verge]

Nah it likes it head long rush bypasses being halved

Unlike eq

[blazing swallow]

oh i added garg for the steel types that wall grass types

also with the benefits u mentioned

and also fires

so yea how can i fix it

[nocturne sable]

https://pokepast.es/3d8a855595198b0d someone help me out with this, want to keep Harcanine & Hamurott tho

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

Not related to your rate but hamurott is good, h arcanine is outclassed by Dragonite as an extreme speeder

[nocturne sable]

CB harcanine hits like a truck outside of espeed tho

[tacit bluff]

correct but you're not very fast and when some of the best mons in the metagame are ground fighting and water, harcanine struggles

big damage sure

struggles to get said damage off reliably

and yeah you do have e speed to get around the speed problem, but you're banded, you either come in and commit to e speed or you don't which is always a gamble that can be punished easily

its also a big tera sink

rock fire really sucks

its not completely without merit, not much enjoys switching into its banded stabs but you're very susceptible to give away momentum too

[sinful badge]

https://pokepast.es/6799f8c21e2f7be0 rate my team

[clever rover]

You really don’t need snow being up longer

You want veil being up longer

[sinful badge]

yeah actually i should change that thanks

[tacit bluff]

Please never run cinderace on a screens team

It's self sabotage

In addition to that this team is far too slow paced to make effective use of screens

You have alo ninetales screens but only one real screen abuser that being galarian moltres and ig sorta kingambit, meanwhile the other mons are bulky hazard setters which makes the inclusion of court change cinderace even more strange

[sinful badge]

what should i swap cinderace for?

[tacit bluff]

Honestly nearly anything else will be better, although the mons that most appreciate screens are frailer setup mons who otherwise don't get the time to set up, stuff like iron valiant

Clefable and gliscor would also need to go ngl

[sinful badge]

oh no my clefable

[tacit bluff]

They're just not exerting enough pressure for the already super limited time screens is up

Running screens typically means you're running a hyper offence team

Clef and gliscor aren't really helping to that end they're much more long term progress makers rather than an immediate threat

So really this team can go two ways

Screens HO meaning you drop half the team or a hazard stack balance meaning you also drop half the team

That's kinda the two directions your being pulled in

Regardless either way cinderace would have to go lol

For either bulky hazard stack or screens HO cinderace would actively hurt your team, since court change swaps the hazards you set onto your side or gives your opponent the screens you set respectively

You seem kinda new to this so I would direct you to a sample team below

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[nocturne sable]

That’s why I’m bulding a team around it , any advice on the team I sent??

[low phoenix]

arcanine h is d in the viability rankings for a reason

the advice i would give is that its outclassed by dragonite definitively

[nocturne sable]

I mean it’s still on the viability rankings so there is merit to using it

Dragonite and Harcanine have nothing in common outside of espeed

[low phoenix]

dragonite is bulkier

[blazing swallow]

no merit bud use dragonite for the best results

[low phoenix]

has a better ability

can setup

also has a band set

[honest pier]

I'm on the viability ranking council. I voted it to be Unranked

it's not good

meant to respond to QuaQrash

[nocturne sable]

Okay can I get actual advice on my team outside of “Harcanine bad”

[low phoenix]

That is the actual advnice

Haracnine is bad

[honest pier]

the boots fully special kyu is pretty unoptimal. We've moved on to mixed sets or sub lefties because they beat the easy checks. Team is structured like an HO since it has boosters and no defensive core but you're using choice mons which sacrifice momemtum. If I were to make an arcanine samurott HO I would use these sets.
Arcanine-Hisui (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Head Smash
• Extreme Speed
• Stealth Rock

Samurott-Hisui (F) @ Black Glasses
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ceaseless Edge
• Aqua Cutter
• Knock Off
• Sucker Punch

you're using intimidate instead of rock head because you want to be able to die with head smash at 1 hp to block spin

this was an idea I had towards the end of SCL to make a bit of an "anti-HO HO"

https://pokepast.es/563e7ef111a9b6d0 something like this @nocturne sable

[nocturne sable]

K thanks this is helpful

[soft maple]

why sash on arcanine?

[soft maple]

sure

[honest pier]

I just has more of a niche as "rocks lead w wisp and prio" than as a frail breaker with bad defensive typing which means it fails to switch in to anything

[soft maple]

unless harcanine is your absolute lead, it's not worth it (even if it is, it's not worth it)

hdb is so much better

beacuse stealth rocks gonna eat your arcanine

no

its hisui right

forgot that

i really never saw a arcanine playing in this meta

[honest pier]

There are plenty of examples of sash leads in OU that lose efficacy if they aren't your lead. Darkrai, dragapult, glimmora, samurott are all great sash mons on HO. I get your concern about rocks weakness. But I think that's a trap you're falling into

[soft maple]

im using samurott with hdb

[honest pier]

good item on BO/Balance. on HO you want Black Glasses or Sash

[soft maple]

for sure

im having just one problem

my team only have one priority move

it cant be perfect at all

[forest marsh]

new to competitive. here is my first team using a lot of mons I like. Ive had decent luck on showdown but still trying to learn. https://pokepast.es/b2a401fb21636bae

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

How's it looking boys

https://pokepast.es/05fc61137b40499e

I was thinking about adding a mold breaker, smackdown swordance bulldoze gigaton hammer tera ground tinkaton.
But it sounded like a bad idea lol.
I do think having a mold breaker mon for stall would be nice tho, idk.

[old vortex]

Someone give me a team that revolves around dondozo

[clever rover]

Easy

Most stall teams use dozo

Here, take this:

[old vortex]

Ok

[clever rover]

Wait lemme get it

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/9c73008c04ba0c39

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

No this isn’t a rate

I’m just passing somebody a team even tho they are in the wrong channel

Ignore this if you were pinged

[languid galleon]

chatot be like:

[old vortex]

That’s cool but can it stand up to bolt beam jolteon?

[runic nebula]

Polar bear in Arlington, TX

[clever rover]

Yes, but who the f wants to use jolteon in OU?

Or at least current gen OU?

252 SpA Tera Ice Jolteon Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 168-200 (36.2 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Don’t even forget we have calm mind blissey

[neon pine]

Alolamola > Milotic

[full void]

https://pokepast.es/99d45d0c1d0c3ec3

haven't played too much gen 9 ou, been testing this team in the 1500s to 1600s. I don't have a very deep understanding of the tier yet, but I wanted to try building around double dance crown. I added scarf modest kyurem and sd rilla because they seemed cool and covered some threats e.g. team was weak to rain but I think a lot of it is still suboptimal (e.g. gholdengo can be a problem)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/21de8b91aae644f2

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/40cf83eefeb887aa
Scizor bo
(make scizor defog into uturn i forgot to change it)

[cold cosmos]

could be roost too

[eager plaza]

Scizor cant learn roost in gen9 sadly

[cold cosmos]

ohh

mb

[unkempt osprey]

Is this team decent? I want to make fun and balanced team around Meowscarada and Jirachi https://pokepast.es/124412af2d4fdf7f

[blazing swallow]

pls rate this team: https://pokepast.es/a439ed137f4b169e

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing swallow]

pls

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/e82f7ed32a4633da

seems corny but

idea seems fun in theory

this could lose to gambit

or just set up sweepers in general

im scrapping this

[blazing swallow]

to improve ur gambit matchup make corv the classic iron defense set

[clever rover]

I don’t think that’s enough

[blazing swallow]

yea

[clever rover]

They could still power through on the switch

[blazing swallow]

i feel like u could scrao lokix for tusk

scrap

[clever rover]

And corv wants U turn here to get mons in

[blazing swallow]

alr

but he got mola and glowking

[clever rover]

Also no, 3 choice bands is wack.

Check out the sample teams first

[blazing swallow]

can u rate my team tho

[clever rover]

I’m not the greatest player, but I can at the very least point out stuff obviously wrong.

[blazing swallow]

alr

[clever rover]

You are a little weak to gambit still, especially low kick ones.

And iron Val somewhat

[blazing swallow]

hm

[clever rover]

And a bunch of other threats

[blazing swallow]

i could replace pult with a great tusk

[heady drift]

https://pokepast.es/957823c5db506bf4 rate pls

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

Since when was vileplume ever viable bruva

Get that thing outta there

And quagsire isn’t viable on a structure like this

I don’t think slowking is great on this either

Actually all the sets are just and

Bad*

[neon pine]

Don’t invest in defences before investing in HP
HP comes first

[heady drift]

what would i use for setup then

[pallid moss]

theres a few cases where this isnt true but generally yeah

[low phoenix]

there is a vileplume stall team on the stallcord if you really want to use plume

but otherwise it doesnt really work because its too passive for ou standards and doesnt have the toolkit to make up for it like other passive mons such as mola

[neon pine]

What do you mean

[silver river]

??? Are you sure about that

[tacit bluff]

Yeah that's the general rule of thumb

There are specific cases like when you ev to live certain physical or special hits but otherwise yeah

[silver river]

4 Atk Tera Ground Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt: 476-560 (104.8 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

4 Atk Tera Ground Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Raging Bolt: 368-436 (94.1 - 111.5%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Just a random example

I can give more

I think investing in def/spD comes first

You invest in HP when you just want generic bulk

[tacit bluff]

For instance yes but HP is more generally applicable since it applies to both attacking ends

You do sometimes invest in a defensive stat to bolster it tho

Like specially defensive ting lu beefs up its special defence

Shocker ik

[silver river]

I think it's usually better to invest in spD/def if you want to survive something, HP is secondary, when you're not sure about which checks will kill you and what doesn't.
Like chancey/blissy, they don't invest in HP at all, they go full 252 def 252 spD

[tacit bluff]

They don't really need to invest in hp tho they're chansey and blissey

Opportunity cost at that point just isn't worth it

Lol

They do sometimes tbf

But that's when they still had more passive damage options

Rip toxic

[feral musk]

Hello, am 1500 sv OU with https://pokepast.es/00100ab9d465bfea .
Neeed help with speed control and kyruem matchup. I am attached to crawdiddy and tornadus-t but everything else is flexible

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/9804f7b53478f3b4

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

not a bad start, standard lando usually uses rocky helmet to check most physical attackers, you have defog corv and lando only takes 12.5 vs stealth rock so boots isnt strictly necessary

for iron valiant i recommend the swords dance set if you want to use valiant as a physical attacker

change one of your status moves on gold to another attack like shadow ball/hex or else it is passive vs steel resists

mental herb on corv is fine but i prefer rocky helmet/leftovers/boots, and change its tera to dragon

shadow ball on band pult is weird, change your tera to ghost and change shadow ball to a filler physical move like phantom force/quick attack/sucker punch or change pult to its hex boots set

change uturn on rockpon to a grass attacking move cuz uturn on sd is weird

[inland fractal]

https://pokepast.es/fbe58ffa032619e4

[blazing swallow]

guys is cornerpon viable in ou

[cold cosmos]

yes

[tacit bluff]

Very, but this isn't the channel to ask that question

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/d280ccae41df945c - LO garchomp bulky offense

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

i dont get why you would use deoxys here

deoxys is more for the HO type teams

[mortal edge]

it's s.rocks deoxys

It's just there so you can get up rocks fast & not get taunted by lando

I assume that's the thought process.

[cold cosmos]

still

its basically so weak

i dont get why it would be on "bulky offense"

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/88d8f14e303e0762

I suck at the game. Just want to know if the team is half-good.

[robust dome]

Close enough. I just wanted some sort of speed control for say, Iron val or other mons that could possibly just break my team, After paralysis those kinda pokemon a crippled. Tho I agree deo isnt the best fit, The stealth rocks are a major plus

[violet minnow]

https://pokepast.es/02032271c115c785

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[echo rampart]

this is your team, yes?

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/14734f6a286251af balance team with a fire/grass/water core

[echo rampart]

the momentum generated by eject button hatt seems really wasted on a team like this

av rilla also seems like a waste and booster energy > life orb generally

[vale jasper]

wasted why?

[echo rampart]

because you dont have anything that capitalizes on the momentum from it

generally you want some super hard hitting glass cannon

but you kinda have roaring moon as your only guy who does that and he's not frail at all

[tacit bluff]

Eject button hatt is supposed to be a 1 time aggro pivot to facilitate an offensive threat typically on sun offence or other offence teams

[echo rampart]

ya

[tacit bluff]

This team just doesn't have that said threat

And yeah as said above life orb roaring moon is typically inferior to booster energy

Also

Earthquake with g terrain is a choice for sure

It's not the worst thing but it's not fun to play around your own terrain yk

[vale jasper]

oh right

[echo rampart]

yeah there just feels like a lack of direction on the team, if I could know what exactly you wanted with this then we could help take you there

like is this a weezing + mola fat team or an HO with hatt + roaring moon

[tacit bluff]

Gweezing is also usually neutralizing gas btw, it's a huge selling point for it

Levitate does exist since it means you don't fear tusk but yeah

[vale jasper]

well we could do both and i could see which one i like more

[echo rampart]

i vibe with that, which do you like more

so we can start

[vale jasper]

well hatt is like one of my top 3 fav gen 8 mons

and moon is also cool af

so ig that team first

[echo rampart]

sure

that sounds like the makings of a sun team tbh

but we can go something more normal

it's gonna be a hyper offense of some kind regardless, probably with a bunch of rocks-weak pokemon that appreciate magic bounce

[vale jasper]

i mean besides garg are rock types common in ou? i havent played this tier in eons

ik stone edge is a possibility

and ofc there's stealth rocks

[echo rampart]

stealth rocks

you want stuff like iron moth and dd kyurem generally

[tacit bluff]

Yeah stealth rocks is the big one

Lowk doesn't matter with garg because rock resists get slowly chipped down by salt cure anyway

[echo rampart]

well still, staying at full HP is really beneficial for these guys

so generally it'd be a core like this

with a dedicated hazard setter of your own

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/5711469be1d6ea35 okay i tried

[echo rampart]

yea! this looks a lot better lol

samurott might not match the tempo here, and hatt should probably just be healing wish tbh

[vale jasper]

with hsam i thought "hm what offensive mon can also set up hazards"

[echo rampart]

yeah it's a good fit but the set should probably be Assault vest to serve as a defensive anchor for the team

[vale jasper]

okay okay

[echo rampart]

you could also go the direction of screens support with ninetales alola (which also boots kyurems defense in snow) and use smth like gliscor as a ground resist

bc currently ground kinda owns you

[vale jasper]

i was thinking of putting screens on deoxys

[echo rampart]

yeah that's not terrible but atales is just more effective at that role atm

[vale jasper]

interesting that vest hsam is a thing considering that it has base 65 spdef

[echo rampart]

well it just needs to live a hit or two

the av makes the difference vs stuff like gholdengo

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/b31746f8dbc6e221

[echo rampart]

ya this looks pretty cool i think

[vale jasper]

very cool very swag

now for these 2 https://pokepast.es/e68e08afcabdeffa

before we start adding mons should i change their sets at all?

[echo rampart]

i think scald is broken but idt one is better than the other

ting-lu + mola is an infamous core for a reason (both fat fucks)

u just need something for ogerpon-water

like amoonguss or hydrapple

[vale jasper]

as in scald >= flip turn?

[echo rampart]

nah u always run flip

scald vs alluring voice is the debate

[vale jasper]

ohh

[echo rampart]

i would just try both to see which u like more

[vale jasper]

i kinda like alluring cuz there i do think that some ppl will try and set up mons on it

so alluring punishes them for that

[echo rampart]

ya thats fine

can also go like skeledirge to beat setup stuff

[vale jasper]

unaware moment

[echo rampart]

what's that?

(jk)

oh you also probably want pain split on weezing over haze, as nice as haze is its not that useful on weezing

[vale jasper]

i think dirge follows its pre evos' trend of "no thoughts head empty" but now it screams much louder

[vale jasper]

damn it i was right

i thought about psplit

[echo rampart]

building this in my head its like

mola, weezing, skarm, tinglu, hydrapple, torn/clef

[vale jasper]

i see i see(i dont /hj)

idk how close this is to stall tho and the tour im playing in next week has a no stall rule

oh actually

what about a balance team with some of these mons and iron hands?

and other offensive mons ofc

[hot dome]

That’s really not a stall team

And if those you’re playing with consider that stall… idk what to really say

[hot dome]

This sounds like it gets 6-0ed by Kyurem ngl tho

[vale jasper]

idk tho

cuz ive been in that community for like

3 or 4 years now

[hot dome]

Do this really need Weezing? This sounds like a boots spam team anyways, so I’m not sure what weezing really brings here

[vale jasper]

and i think some of the players in there would flag it as stall

[echo rampart]

what set

i feel like clef + mola covers a decent amt

[hot dome]

Boots sounds like it puts some insane pressure on this

[echo rampart]

although i did want dirge on here

[hot dome]

And mixed kinda runs through this, no?

[echo rampart]

sdef dirge my beloved

nah i think clef sits on most sets

[hot dome]

They removed all ou kyurem sets from the dex, pain

[hot dome]

252 SpA Kyurem Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Clefable: 160-190 (40.6 - 48.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I’m not sure you can really rely on this

Why not Gking over Gweezing? You don’t really need a defogger with two knock absorbers + mostly boots spam

[echo rampart]

it'd be mixed bulk

if u have it specifically to deal w kyurem lol

yea gking works well here

[silver river]

https://pokepast.es/731acb2d8b0b0486

Took the 6 most used mons and made a team, looks pretty good tbh, i mean you throw 6 good mons in a team it's bound to look good i guess

If there's a replacement you can think of for a mon, that can cover a hole in this team that I can't see I'd appreciate it.

[clever rover]

Salac berry is bad

Don’t use it

[silver river]

Ngl, it's been putting in more work than i expected, but what do you think i should change it with, balloon?

[clever rover]

Balloon, boots, lefties are all options

[tacit bluff]

Also scarf Lando lowk kinda awkward this Gen

More aggressive Lando sets run something like soft sand to boost eq

[vale jasper]

i also rlly wanna use iron hands

[neat prism]

hello!! so I just finished making my first OU team (I’ve just been doing random battles so far, I’m a noob). Is this team any good? If not, should I replace or change anything?

[echo rampart]

I would suggest checking out some sample teams first if you're new, it should help you get a grasp of how teams are structured

[neat prism]

ah, right

[vale jasper]

@echo rampart actually can we make a team with clod and hands? Those are my 2 fav gen 9 mons, and I'm lucky(sort of) that they're also competitively solid

[echo rampart]

those two are really anti thetical to each other

clodsire is a stall exclusive

[vale jasper]

Man 😔

[vale jasper]

Back to this then

What other mon(s) would pair well with hands to make a good offensive core?

[blazing swallow]

https://pokepast.es/b4543f7d3f647b02 rate my cornerpon h stack

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

Hazard stack without gholdengo 🗿

[echo rampart]

yea at that point just use tealpon with boots

bc ur gonna get smoked by opposing hazards

[hot dome]

Hstack without ghold is fine but boots spam with cornerstone is not

[echo rampart]

yeah

i mean ideally u have some ghost

[cinder epoch]

https://pokepast.es/64985c73aed9cec2

I need help making this viable

[echo rampart]

it looks pretty good, what have you been struggling with?

only think for me is some of the sets seem not great

[cinder epoch]

oof I have had issues with corvaknight (which is why I added thunder punch to dragonite), but idk overall I have been losing quite a bit

[echo rampart]

you could put SD on Samu to help get past Corv

I have my doubts about any dragonite set that doesnt have ice spinner

[cinder epoch]

instead of flip turn?

[echo rampart]

mhm

well you would run

ceaseless, water move, priority move, swords dance

[cinder epoch]

yeah I should prob reput it but the issue is what do I replace it with

[echo rampart]

dragonite as a mon is fine, you could just do dd encore if u rlly wanna own corv

but the rest of your team should handle it fine

keep rocks up, use ghold to wall it

roaring moon will knock corv to weaken it

[cinder epoch]

whats ghold sorry

[echo rampart]

moon can even run taunt > acro to slow corv down

ghold is gholdengo

[cinder epoch]

ohh thx

[vale jasper]

@echo rampart im gonna try putting iron hands in the fat team we were talking about earlier, and mess around with some other mons to make it more of a balance thing(unless balance and fat are the same thing)

[echo rampart]

kinda?

balance is a more specific term that ig could fall under "fat"

[vale jasper]

i see

[cinder epoch]

oh also I struggle with fairy types @echo rampart

idk how to fix that

[echo rampart]

well ideally you just overwhelm them with your dragons

depending on which fairy

like clefable will end up rlly weak after dealing with roaring moon

or if you tera roaring moon it straight up beats clefable

[cinder epoch]

mhm

and what should I replace on dragonite with ice spinner

[echo rampart]

probably dragon claw

you dont need a STAB move on dragonite

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/9da5bee5033e2f60 glaring issue is that this team is weak to ice

which is uh

not good

[echo rampart]

yeah kyurem is gonna be a huge pain for you

might want as assault vest iron crown in the iron hands slot

[cinder epoch]

kk

[vale jasper]

vest crown is real?

[echo rampart]

mhm

its a great pivot, especially with Wish support from alomomola

its also one of the few consistent kyurem checks

[vale jasper]

we really lettin anybody wear an assault vest /hj

[echo rampart]

fr

[vale jasper]

oh wow this thing is like

actually bulky

insert that image of jimmy butler squinting at a piece of paper

90/100/108 is pretty solid

tachyon being a multi hit is nice too for breaking subs

[echo rampart]

yea and psychic noise or future sight depending on what you need

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/89bd27bf2eacdcd1 mid crown has been added unfort(actually love this mon cuz it's based on cobalion)

[echo rampart]

yea looks good i think

im unsure if dragonite fits here either

you probably want something faster

like tornadus or something

[cinder epoch]

sorry i think this will be my last question but what about gliscor? just dragonite?

[vale jasper]

t or i?

im assuming i

[echo rampart]

you can overwhelm it but gliscor is just insanely good

[echo rampart]

i is very bad in singles

[vale jasper]

wait no t is the faster one

[echo rampart]

mhm

with regen

[vale jasper]

truth

insane mon lowkey

110 spatk is also very nice

[cinder epoch]

ty

[vale jasper]

pfft torn i is in zubl 😭

[echo rampart]

yea lol

[cinder epoch]

i just got completely wiped by quaquaval im so trash

[vale jasper]

nah almost any pokemon can catch you lackin if you dont expect it

i think that's especially true for sweepers like quaq

everyone loses for losing by itself doesnt make you trash or bad

being bad isnt a choice, staying bad is

at least imo

[echo rampart]

having extreme speed on dragonite might help with setup sweepers

since you only really have iron valiant as speed control rn

should also use a sample set for valiant, vacuum wave is kinda useless

[cinder epoch]

everything i got was from the OU samples

but I'll do that

[echo rampart]

surely vacuum wave isnt on there

[cinder epoch]

i promise it is

lol

[echo rampart]

?

[vale jasper]

https://pokepast.es/b79786437a1091b2 it is finished

[cinder epoch]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[echo rampart]

oh on that specific team

[cinder epoch]

yeah

[echo rampart]

well tbh you're not rlly supposed to send samples in here for help 😭

but some of these teams are a tad outdated now

[cinder epoch]

im just a massive noob bro dw

😂

[echo rampart]

np

[cinder epoch]

its not exactly the same tho I did modify it a bit

if I were to use e-speed what would I replace with

[echo rampart]

you'd probably drop roost

for dd + 3 attacks

[cinder epoch]

kk

do you think I should make my nature do + attack or + speed

[echo rampart]

• atk

[cinder epoch]

kk thanks and what should I replace vaccum wave with? (sorry for the stupid questions)

[echo rampart]

nah ur good lol we all start from somewhere

encore might help with opposing setup stuff

[cinder epoch]

thanks!

[blazing swallow]

https://pokepast.es/9b025de6e83435ef rate this

[echo rampart]

this looks like you took a normal team then threw a gren on

[blazing swallow]

yes

exactly

gren is somewhat viable in ou right>

gren kinda fits in ig

im not that good tho

[echo rampart]

gren is okay but not this set and not really on this team

[blazing swallow]

ok

any mons that would fit>

?

[echo rampart]

what was the original mon on the team

[coarse silo]

i hate stall so its bad

[clever rover]

Bruva can’t find the difference between bulky teams and stall 💀

[coarse silo]

it has the same team members as a stall team

[clever rover]

And stall is glorious

Greninja isn’t a stall mon

Anyways, comp general.

[coarse silo]

stall sucks

i gtg

[clever rover]

💀

[low phoenix]

Well we’ll we’ll

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/433377ea7dd12c18 🔩 🔩

[crimson rampart]

https://pokepast.es/dc838ffe7e5d94b9

[formal tartan]

is the OU metagame healthy?

id like to make a semi stall hail team

https://pokepast.es/308ab9af1d2d3853

im using this in doubles

cept i replaced skele with heatran

[hot dome]

unfortunately, this team is not viable

hail in general isn't viable in OU, since it does not exist anymore lol

Also bright powder is also banned in OU

Please double check your teams before posting them here

[echo rampart]

^ you have to have used them before

[blazing swallow]

Blud that isn’t stall 💀

But yeah how do I improve it https://pokepast.es/50fc99c61533b885

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing swallow]

Curios medicine should be regen forgot to change it

[barren ridge]

Hey, you’ve only submitted a single mon. If this was in error you should fix the link, otherwise see the RMT rules in #1024432517077540904 , only submit completed teams

[ionic sleet]

Well that's the thing, I don't know what else to put on the team

[blazing swallow]

Rate https://pokepast.es/2b299f535fb7ffad

[echo rampart]

this is the same team u already posted

it looks fine but gren feels out of place

[blazing swallow]

Oh

What should I replace it with

[echo rampart]

i feel like sd weavile with spikes gliscor is fine

[grizzled zenith]

https://pokepast.es/70c02d6d13e6d7c9 How does this team look? I can see its pretty weak to ground, how can I patch things up?

[empty verge]

Not bad but there is a few key issues with this team the first being you have no ground type I feel ting Lu would be a good fit here and it helps you check things like raging bolt which is quite annoying to this team. Put ting lu over iron crown.

2. Make Hydrapple boots running LO means you give up a lot of defensive utility such as consistently switching into ogerpon wellspring.

3. Yes you are indeed weak to ground. I suggest going Moltres > alomomola this ensures you have a flying type that grants you team at least one ground immunity. Moltres also helps provide you with another fairy resistance since we dropped crown.

Moltres @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 248 Def / 12 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

• Flamethrower
• Will-O-Wisp
• Roar
• Roost

4. Zamazenta @ Chesto Berry
   Ability: Dauntless Shield
   EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 Spe
   Tera Type: Fire
   Jolly Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Crunch
• Rest

This is more inline with a balanced style which is what you are going for there is a lot of opportunity cost running band.

Those are the changes I’d make hope this helps.

[grizzled zenith]

Ty will try those changes out!

[empty verge]

Np!

[grizzled zenith]

Tried that set and its going better, but I do struggle some with slowking galar, any tips on how to break it?

[empty verge]

Why are you struggling with darkrai and ting lu

[grizzled zenith]

I guess I could switch out tera fairy to steel on hydrapple

[empty verge]

You could go tera steel yes

[grizzled zenith]

darkrai feels pretty meh into it ngl and ting lu can switch into it but it doesnt really do much to put pressure

on rest of team

https://pokepast.es/ca67da3cbeb9e95f this is the sets i run

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Tera Type: Ghost
Careful Nature

• Spikes
• Earthquake
• Whirlwind
• Ruination

This ting

[grizzled zenith]

Maybe it was just me being unlucky tho, having darkrai being chipped enough to struggle into glowking

[empty verge]

Make darkrai boots and drop trick for knock

Giga drain > leaf storm and boots > lefties on Hydrapple

[grizzled zenith]

yea scarf on rai felt pretty weak

would that make weezing galar that much needed if both rai and hydrapple are boots?

[empty verge]

Yeah that was gonna be my next thing

Perhaps slowking Galar

Can fit here with toxic

Twave works as well

Future sight, sludge bomb, chilly reception, twave/toxic

[grizzled zenith]

https://pokepast.es/e8cbe628e2f9919f something like this?

maybe ice beam instead of sludge on rai now that i have slowking galar

idk about the zama set tho

[empty verge]

Yuh you could run

Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Crunch
• Stone Edge

[formal tartan]

i love that moltres set alot...

[grizzled zenith]

Aight ty

Is hdb 4 attacks zama good here too?

Team seems to be lacking a reliable physical attacker

especially to pressure walls to switching out

[formal tartan]

i ran your team and opp had lead staraptor and took out my whole team with brave bird?

[grizzled zenith]

the darkrai hydrapple one?

ye its pretty weak into flying moves

u prob have to tera something if moltres cant handle it

[formal tartan]

moltres took 75%

[grizzled zenith]

also kyurem is a problem

a tera steel would work

ye

really weak to flying and ice

i have tera steel hydrapple to somewhat deal with that

thats why i had iron crown before

or potentially zama would be better with tera steel

[empty verge]

Yes

Or boots roar 3 attacks

[empty verge]

Staraptor isn’t really a real Mon in ou so I wouldn’t worry about it at all just playing smart you can find your way around it

[formal tartan]

@empty verge ok so what do you do

you predict its lead staraptor?

who do you send out

[empty verge]

I suppose go Moltres roost off the damage from its attacks

[runic nebula]

I mean if you’re afraid of it then you should probably lead Moltres so you can threaten flame body

[empty verge]

But that’s not really a scenario outside of low ladder

[runic nebula]

If it did 75 that means it’s banded

[empty verge]

Yea

[runic nebula]

It might just fall over to Zama

Idk that calc

But honestly you could trade and be fine

+1 88 Def Zamazenta Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Staraptor: 211-249 (67.8 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You probably have a roll to kill it after a BB

There's also tera too

But generally Staraptor’s biggest weakness is that it pretty much always ends up killing itself just as quickly as it kills you

And it’s rocks weak

[grizzled zenith]

The team is working super well, thank you for the help!

[empty verge]

Anytime!

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/d8537447d635a5bd

how is this hyper offense team (i replicated this team from SOULWIND's OLT team if its ok to post replicated teams here)

[hot dome]

chople darkrai is

a choice

ok if you took SOULWIND's OLT team

then why not just use it

[low phoenix]

cuz i want to make sure i replicated it right

[hot dome]

this isn't the channel for replicating teams

• none of us are soulwind so unless he posted a team dump how would we know the team

[low phoenix]

ok

[mortal edge]

https://pokepast.es/3706ed4d917c8c05 Need some heads up about my teambuilding & this team. Any advice is appreciated.

[rancid shale]

why not use protosynthesis bolt?

i have actually tried LO bolt on gterrain, even with passive healing you want your bulk for resistances

also wood hammer is funny but probably inferior to power whip

especially on a set without synthesis

[echo rampart]

yeah booster energy is virtually just better in every way

[dusk pier]

can anyone provide feedback on this Houndoom team? I've never been one to battle so please take it easy :b https://pokepast.es/66f3c87765ce6400

[runic nebula]

You shouldn’t use Houndoom in OU

I would say use Houndoom in a tier it's more viable in, but I'm not sure if there is a tier it is viable in for SV

[mortal edge]

The reason why I want Wood Hammer is because missing a crucial Power Whip can be game-ending.

Recoil damage is terrible yes. But I do like consistent options.

If there's a 100% Power Whip, I would use it. But unfortunately, it's 85%.

You only click Power Whip over Ivy Cudgel if it's going to 1. Net you a KO 2. Win you a game

[echo rampart]

sure but recoil limits the number of times you can click that movie too

[willow prairie]

can any one rate my team it can only have dark or steel mons https://pokepast.es/fcb18c517c798eef

[tacit bluff]

We don't rate teams with arbitrary restrictions

[ionic sleet]

https://pokepast.es/e2c21973c8c8faf4

How's my team?(Singles Format)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge, @echo rampart. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tacit bluff]

This is decent, although the iron valiant set is a bit wonky to me

Mixed sets run different Evs to the ones you have

[ionic sleet]

Yea..somebody from another server suggested it to me

[tacit bluff]

Aside from that nothing really jumps out at me, this is pretty standard hazard stack offence, you have a bit of a tough MU into waterpon but you should otherwise be fine

And it's not the worst MU either

[ionic sleet]

So Waterpon is bad and fine?

[tacit bluff]

You don't really have a resist into waterpon aside from dnite who fears the play rough Ogerpon usually carries and your only two mons that outspeed it are valiant who can't do much to it since it's not a setup set and iron moth who can only check it offensively

It's not unwinnable but you're gonna have to preserve iron moth for waterpon when you see it

And even then you have to be careful of an Ogerpon Tera

[ionic sleet]

Right..

BTW, what do you suggest for Valiant? Since you think the set is weird

[willow prairie]

okay fine rate it as a normal ou team then

[tacit bluff]

Go with the EV spread on smogon strategy dex for mixed iron valiant

[tacit bluff]

Well it's kinda directionless, it leans offence but then has a weird defensive darkrai set, this team also gets 6-0'd by so many top tier mons, zamazenta great tusk physical iron valiant etc

I'd change the darkrai set and drop iron crown and meowscarada and maybe hamurott too and swap them for something that can actually deal with the threats listed above, like enamourus, or your own iron valiant from there you can lean more into a standard offence team or go full HO

Kingambit is another good option to swap for one of your physical attackers btw

[willow prairie]

those guys

are what

gholdengo is for

[tacit bluff]

Gholdengo doesn't reliably beat any of them without burning Tera and is also outsped by all 3

And even so that's a huge amount of pressure on one mon

Other than val ig

But val can threaten you with knock off

Especially when your gholdengo doesn't have make it rain which is easily it's best option against val,

[willow prairie]

iron valiant

gets one shot

by dazzling gleam

and he is my go to tera

[tacit bluff]

Plus without any special attack investment dazzling gleam bounces off zamazenta and tusk if you haven't gotten a nasty plot up

[willow prairie]

he always takes like atleast three mons with him

[willow prairie]

yea um

its like

way too easy

to get one of those up

sometimes i get two up

and when they send in a guy with basicly anything that can damage non tera goldengo

they almost always get rid of the item first

then i can just recover

by using the tera since it gives me just enough hp to use it

[tacit bluff]

All 3 of those mons outspeed you, and if you lose the balloon at any point before you then can't switch very safely into offensive great tusk

Your gholdengo is very tanky sure but it's a lynchpin if it goes down your team just folds

[willow prairie]

yea

honestly if i wasnt restricting to myself to two types

i can have much better mons fill in for roaring moon

[tacit bluff]

Again if you are restricting yourself to those two types then we can't really help you

[willow prairie]

hes the only one im really disastified with he like barely does anything ever

[willow prairie]

im just asking for a rating

[tacit bluff]

Because our advice would always be to not run two types that are weak to fighting when 2 of the best mons in the format are fighting

[willow prairie]

yeahhh i get that

but its fun no?

[tacit bluff]

Sure, it's nice to challenge yourself but that's not what this channel is used for

#1024432517077540904

I like making teams with certain restrictions that make them sub optimal too just for the challenge, but this channel is for teams that are trying to be optimized

Ya feel

[willow prairie]

ohhhhh

i thought

it was just a rating channel

for ou singles format

[tacit bluff]

Read these next time pls 🙏

[tacit bluff]

Ur good but just for future reference

[willow prairie]

alr

[willow prairie]

hm can u tell what i could improve upon if i got rid of the restriction and all

like what mons could i put in the spot roaring moon is in rn

[willow prairie]

hm might take up on the valiant ngl

[tacit bluff]

Tbh the roaring set is an odd one

It doesn't usually run outrage with all the steels and fairies in the tier

[willow prairie]

how so?

[tacit bluff]

It likes the consistency of knock off

[willow prairie]

i just put it there

for like yk

to beat the shit out of mons

that are left over

[tacit bluff]

Yeah big scary dragon stab I get it

[willow prairie]

no no

its usually used

last in the battle

to just take care of whatever mon is left over

i havent actually given him much thought at all

[tacit bluff]

You can drop it ngl

Great tusk gives you hazard control and another knock off user whilst also serving as a better kingambit check

[willow prairie]

i dont need

kinggambit check

at all

but

the hazard control might be nice

[tacit bluff]

Tbh every team needs to have some kind of answer to kingambit

Even if your team isn't particularly weak to it

[willow prairie]

goldengo

[tacit bluff]

That's not an answer bro ohko's you with kowtow cleave

[willow prairie]

erm

[tacit bluff]

And if you Tera you're now weak to its steel stab

[willow prairie]

he kinda only does half my hp

[willow prairie]

yeah even with that

he only does half my hp

when im using goldengo tera

tho i get what ur saying

[tacit bluff]

252+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Gholdengo: 246-290 (65 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow prairie]

il drop the whole two types only thing

[willow prairie]

yes 2 hit

not 1 hit

i hit him

once

and hes dead

[tacit bluff]

with what?

+2 0 SpA Tera Fairy Gholdengo Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 253-298 (74.1 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[willow prairie]

dazzling gleam

[tacit bluff]

not even tera and plus two kills

[willow prairie]

yeah no

by then i have 3x spa

[tacit bluff]

and this is the less bulky kingambit set

thats by no means a guarantee

especially on a mon as slow as gholdengo

[willow prairie]

huh then ig the guys who i fight

are just not building him

very well

cuz ive 1 shot him each time

[tacit bluff]

this is without supreme overlord btw

[willow prairie]

oh btw

[tacit bluff]

sorry wait

[willow prairie]

i also do ceasless edge

[tacit bluff]

this

[willow prairie]

so his hp

gets drained a bit

just a bit tho

[tacit bluff]

ceaseless edge tickles kingambit

[willow prairie]

ig it tickles him just enough to get 1 shot

[tacit bluff]

and after a +2 ur ohko'd by sucker punch not even taking into account supreme overlord

[willow prairie]

uh what do u mean plus two

[tacit bluff]

if kingambit is at +2 attack

[willow prairie]

he never is

ive never fought him

like that

ig i might be just too down low the leaderboard

[tacit bluff]

idk who ur fighting

[willow prairie]

i play this for fun anyways

[tacit bluff]

but kingambit is so easy to set up with

[willow prairie]

idk then

booster energy spe for great tusk right?

or is it atk

@tacit bluff

[tacit bluff]

speed

usually

[willow prairie]

okay

[willow prairie]

do u think

i can

set up trick room

with meowscarada

and drop the triple axel

since i have ice spinner great tusk now?

[tacit bluff]

why would you want TR 😭

[willow prairie]

well what u said with goldengo

being very slow

kinda ticked me off

so i want to make him faster

type shi

or is that a bad idea?

[tacit bluff]

TR is pretty bad in singles