SV OU Rates

[round portal]

alr ice spinner tusk again :(

[empty verge]

I recommend you use srn sun as a baseline

https://pokepast.es/6b7c53d30ec79475

[low phoenix]

some guys from the stallcord recommended tera fairy ursa

it resists darks, fightings, valiant in a pinch

and knexhawk recommended a defensive tera for rilla when he saw my team

[empty verge]

Ye that’s fair just this team is offensive in nature that’s why

[pallid moss]

this team peaked #1 i think 💀

[hot dome]

me when i do not read

(i will comment on a situation i have no context on)

[pallid moss]

idk you were going on about how every set was unviable when i think it was unchanged besides poison barb on pech

[hot dome]

(i will continue to comment on a situation i have no context on)

[pallid moss]

idk why theyre sending someone elses team in here tho tbf

[hot dome]

if you havent gotten the hint yet, read the messages afterwards

[pallid moss]

alr yeah i didnt see it

[round portal]

almost top 100 😭

[willow widget]

any advice on this team its been while since i played
https://pokepast.es/4407b84919c382b9

[eager plaza]

https://pokepast.es/31ecf99dbaae73a9
pls rate my scizor team (2nd upload) are there any more improvements that i can do?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Solid build ngl

But

I would go slowking galar > hat

Give skarm spikes

Over rocks

Give ting rocks

Give ting tera ghost

I think bulky ace with wisp is better here

After that you should be good

[empty verge]

I think if you gonna run this scizor I’d prob make it HO ngl but I don’t not use scizor ever in ou but if my memory serves me correctly this is a HO set. I don’t remember if scizor is ranked or not.

[low phoenix]

Scizor is B

I’m sure

And yea scizor only works in Ho in ou

[willow widget]

thanks for the advice lemme make some changes

[willow widget]

how does this look, i went a bulky glar slowking or would a pviot set be better
https://pokepast.es/79602f353a134d8b

[empty verge]

Pivot ye

[willow widget]

https://pokepast.es/67291af7130f7f6a

so like this

[empty verge]

You got it

Tera flying on ace

[willow widget]

thank you

[empty verge]

Np have fun !

[low phoenix]

currently in the process of building a specs kyu + gking team, but finding it annoying that i had to add double hazard removal because specs kyurem is so scared of hazards unlike even subtect

got any advice?

https://pokepast.es/bc46d3a3560a53aa

[empty verge]

Give gambit glasses imo

Make tusk tera steel

Give corv dragon Tera

I think that’s prob it

Ehhh

Maybe brave bird > press

Ngl

[low phoenix]

remind me on what tera steel is good on tusk for?

[empty verge]

You resist ice moves from stuff like weavile meow and kyu. You also resist acro from roaring moon a pinch.

[low phoenix]

oh ic

[pallid moss]

and psychic moves

[low phoenix]

oh it looks like i forgot to give blizzard to kyurem

[empty verge]

Nah you don’t really need blizzard

[low phoenix]

oh

spamming 110bp ice attacks is funny tho

[empty verge]

Indeed

[low phoenix]

wait is there anything i can do i improve my sub moth matchup

or ehh ill just answer it offensively

[empty verge]

Yes plus you have gking which helps

You can emergency there dragon asw if needed but you can outplay def also getting up rocks quickly

[faint wigeon]

What are examples of bulky offense?

[empty verge]

https://pokepast.es/16cccdfe70f33acd one example

[low phoenix]

bulky offense emphasizes the "bulk" in offense, you can take hits and do damage back, but not as bulky as balance/stall

[blazing swallow]

Stall is taking over

[rancid shale]

there’ll be riots on the streets

billions must load ursahoopa trick room

[faint wigeon]

I suck at teambuilding I always get a core to build around and never know what to add

[hardy ginkgo]

https://pokepast.es/5f2a85bfc80cdc0b I've been thinking on what to run in the sixth slot, I'm considering either pivot pult, boots gambit, boots bolt or boots kyurem but I'm sure i could run smth even better there, I've been testing this team for a while and I'm not sure on what gliscor's fourth move should be. I've also noticed that rn my worst matchups are SD gliscor if it teras, darkrai and some kyurem sets

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pale sand]

Seems kinda eh, your double hazard removal can't remove on ghold hazard stacks

[pale sand]

Would personally go tera flying on alomomola so it could serve as the other knock absorber, and also resists grass moves in a pinch

I also don't understand why heatran is there. If you're looking for an iron moth check, then use slowking galar

[pale sand]

For gliscor's 4th move, knock off, toxic, or poison jab are valid. An SD gliscor set could also fit this team tho

[hardy ginkgo]

i've got heatran for rocks corv and hat

[hardy ginkgo]

migth try knock off

[light prawn]

im tryna make a shiest kommo-o team but its too weak to fairy, some1 pls help me fix it

https://pokepast.es/325e006c6eb2d889

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[light prawn]

im 24 and 6 with it rn. lost 3 games to hax and nothing else

[low phoenix]

I mean I got gambit to check gold

Maybe I can replace someone with ace

For another offensive gold check

[faint wigeon]

I’m looking for a team that’s fun to play but also gets wins

[faint wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/create
this is what I got so far and I was going for bulky offense

[low phoenix]

The link doesn’t work

[faint wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/69c951d28ada849e

[faint wigeon]

This one should work

[round portal]

finally reached top 100 ;-;

[pale sand]

But you still can't remove your hazards on Gholdengo

You have a kyurem on your team that loses 25% to rocks alone

And you have a waterpon pivot set so your team is built around switchin mons in and out chipping them with hazards

[low phoenix]

waterpon can run pivot on bulky offense too

it doesnt need to be just sd

[low phoenix]

make kingambit tera dark and tusk tera fire

gholdengo can be rocky helmet or grassy seed with this ev spread

Gholdengo @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 184 SpD / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball
• Recover
• Make It Rain / Dazzling Gleam

evs let you survive 2 kyu earth power + 2 hex from pult in grass

you dont really need slowking g in g terrain id replace with hawlucha for speed + a cleaner

rillaboom item is a bit weird imo i personally like band but life orb is prob fine

[pale sand]

That's not my point. Your set is designed for pivoting, meaning your waterpon is built on switching in and out

Permanent hazard damage

[low phoenix]

the bo team in the samples has pivot waterpon tho

[pale sand]

Because both of your hazard removal can't remove on Gholdengo

[low phoenix]

yea i will prob switch something with a cinderace

and change my team around accordingly

oh

yea

i should add ace to my team then

[pale sand]

Im not saying the pivot set is bad, I'm just saying the team can't support it well

[pale sand]

That team has a lot of ways in dealing those archetypes and it's a bulky offense, your team is a balance team

[low phoenix]

oh

yea ic what u mean now

[faint wigeon]

Thanks you for looking at my team and I have haslucha grassy seed unburden to make it even faster

[low phoenix]

yea that is the right set for hawlucha

gj

[willow widget]

trying to build a team for my buddy who wants to get into comp scene he loves skeledirge any advice, not to sure if the sets all work, was going for a status hex theme
https://pokepast.es/25e1144762806fa0

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

skeledirge isnt too good in ou tbh

its fine but prob not the best mon to use for new comp players in ou

its much better in uu though

[willow widget]

ahh ok sounds good

thank you

[tacit bluff]

ye and also bpress skarm lowkey blows

without stab the damage output kinda depressing and considering you also need to setup its rly not that threatening and that passivity can be exploited in a meta with so much phasing

skarm in general is kinda eh rn, its a decent spiker but it has a lot of competition for that role

aside from that this is generally fine

honestly I'd make glowking toxic to spread more status for both hex users but thats up to you

[low phoenix]

Yea Skele dirge is just mid in a meta full of ghosts darks and waters and grounds

Also it tends to be a Tera hog

[tacit bluff]

its not an awful mon but its hard to use

in the right hands it can be plenty threatening especially with unaware acting as a stopgap to the various setup mons in the meta but its typing doesn't help it out very much

[viral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/b2b1e64e334f37bb

wanted to make indeedee webs for bl knights, thoughts/changes? worried ab prim bolt and woger while testing

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[acoustic crescent]

https://pokepast.es/8ecce06a8f30f022

been using this so far, very little luck against stuff like Gliscor

[low phoenix]

All of your sets are wack

What team style are you trying to go for in this team?

[acoustic crescent]

ok

I was originally going to lean in heavily on hazard usage but the team wasn't very balanced

I ended up changing things one by one as I battled

[low phoenix]

What is your elo

I assume you’re new so I’d just pick a sample and learn some team structures (hyper offense, offense, bulky offense, balance, etc)

You’re going to need to change too much to actually make this team useable

[acoustic crescent]

Super low

Near 1000

[low phoenix]

Yea makes sense

[acoustic crescent]

I have 100 hours in Scarlet but havent really played much competetive myself, but I know how some stuff works

Superpower Contrary Enamorus has caught many people off guard though, and it seems like an acceptable strategy, right?

[low phoenix]

Competitive is completely different from casual

[acoustic crescent]

Ik

[low phoenix]

Superpower enamorus fell off a while ago tbh

It’s weak to rocks and without scarf it’s our sped by a lot of stuff like weavile darkrai iron moth valiant easily revenge killer due to poor bulk and slowking g walls enamorus relatively reliably

[acoustic crescent]

Interesting

I should probably scarf mine

Eject button has not been helping all that much

[low phoenix]

Eject button is non existent on enam

Also ceeuledge only fits on hyper offense

And isn’t really that popular in higher level play

Because kingambit easily revenge kills it

[low phoenix]

Just use a sample at this point

[acoustic crescent]

Idk so far I am winning

[low phoenix]

you are 1000 elo

[acoustic crescent]

But okay

[low phoenix]

that is not a good indicator of a good tema

team

samples are tested teams made by experienced players th at can work in a wide variety of scenarios

[acoustic crescent]

Okay

[gray cradle]

https://pokepast.es/a4e85d3add48d104

I feel like my offense is goofy

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/d5828accab26dd40

[hot dome]

im ngl most of these sets are unviable, and 3 of these mons are unviable

incineraor, grafarai, and florges are unviable in the tier, and the sets for rmoon and bolt arent the best either

you seem new to the tier, so i would recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first

https://pokepast.es/6a30608cd62cbb2e
you could use this sun team by srn

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/
or the rest of them can be found here, if youd like to try the others instead

[faint vortex]

I think this is the fifth time I've asked for help with this team. Hopefully it's the last https://pokepast.es/83426ad818a2cd6c
Sticky Web Team, need advice on it, please and thank you

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint vortex]

A lof of these sets and half these mons are brave to say the least

[eager iron]

https://pokepast.es/0569ff83719c1c62 team made by myself, I am completely new to competetive

[faint vortex]

Bolt is interesting with Taunt to counter glowking with is nice, but Thunder Wave is weird and Life Orb is also not the best item

You should have Walking Wake on this team for sure

@gray cradle

[gray cradle]

Aight bros, thanks a lot for your advice

@faint vortex @hot dome

[faint vortex]

No problem. Can I ask what you are going for with your Sun Team?

[eager iron]

https://pokepast.es/0569ff83719c1c62 is there any way to fit haxorus into this team? wanna make my boy useful

[gray cradle]

@faint vortex I am actually not really sure since ngl I'm new to pokemon battles, I tried to focus on neutralizing foe attackers and use roaring moon in case of stalls

[hardy ginkgo]

i don't see a point in most of ur team there tbh

like, it kind of is a HO team

but then it has av alomomola for some reason

[eager iron]

what is ho

[hardy ginkgo]

ig u could get haxorus in instead of alomomola, but u would then be running 3 kinda mid sweepers

[hardy ginkgo]

hyper offense

[eager iron]

alomomola has been really good for me i would prefer to not remove it

[tacit bluff]

haxorus unfort isn't very good, its a very dedicated anti stallmon but even in that field its largely outclassed by kyurem

but since this team doesn't have haxorus, lets look at whats here and whats here is uhhhh, not very good hate to say it

glimmora is good, its a hyper offence lead and the set is fine, but then it sorta goes downhill from there

deo s is fine, but the evs seem weird for it being a mixed attacker

Banded kingambit just isn't a real set, kingambit benefits immensely from being able to make every turn its on the field a mind game between whether its clicking sucker punch or not, banded kingambit makes this obsolete and forces it out often

idk why AV alolomola is here, it doesn't syngerise with anything at all

gengar is terrible, power creep has not been kind to the og ghost, gholdengo is a much better ghost type that has a viable scarf set

incin is also not good, this is singles we're talking about here

[hardy ginkgo]

what does it do?

i don't see why u need a pivot there

[eager iron]

It gives me pivot

[tacit bluff]

a lot of other mons give you a pivot and would work much better than alo here

likewise with incin who again

I don't rly get why its here

[eager iron]

what would you recomend?

[hardy ginkgo]

if you are playing hyper offense then u would rather sack smth to pivot

and get a strong sweeper there

[tacit bluff]

^

[hardy ginkgo]

also, at least run a wish passing set there

if you really needed a pivot

[tacit bluff]

for reference hyper offence is offence taken to its very extreme, basically forgoing a defensive backbone

your defensive play is typically to sack your current mon and then send in the next big sweeper

you have glimmora who typically acts as a lead mon for said teams

because it coughs up hazards very well

[eager iron]

hm i see

[hardy ginkgo]

u should also consider ghold there

if ur running hazards

[tacit bluff]

ghold over gengar for sure

then like, there's a lot of good sweepers running in the tier

[eager iron]

I want a team that does chunks of damage whilst also being bulky and stallish

[tacit bluff]

ah

[eager iron]

bulky team that does damage

[tacit bluff]

well then this kinda needs an overhaul since ur not going for HO

that would be more akin to Bulky Offence

[eager iron]

bulky offence is what i want

[tacit bluff]

ye alright then

[hardy ginkgo]

sure

then get a treg wish passing set on alo

[eager iron]

hence why i put incin, alomomola, kingambit

[hardy ginkgo]

and swap glimm for a more bulkier hazard setter

like gliscor

[tacit bluff]

honestly wish passing alo on BO isn't even thaaat strong

it lacks the O part of BO a lot

its more suited to balance teams

ngl

[hardy ginkgo]

incin also does kinda not too much

u have much better bulky attackers

[hardy ginkgo]

fair

[tacit bluff]

honestly I'd use sd gliscor and put like, hamu for hazards

[hardy ginkgo]

glowking's also there

[eager iron]

I just use it as a switch in for gholdengo and other ghost / psychic types

[tacit bluff]

since its a more aggressive hazard setter which could be nice here

and then maybe have lando t with stealth rocks for the other hazard damage

[tacit bluff]

I mean fair, but it doesn't make much progress from there

plus running sd and u turn is kinda anti synergy

[eager iron]

they would switch then i tend to go into alomomola and refresh

[tacit bluff]

it also hates zamazenta's mere existence

[eager iron]

zamazenta gets rolled by deoxys

[tacit bluff]

well yeah but that is an LO deo s

that'll get worn down fast

[eager iron]

LO?

[tacit bluff]

life orb

[hardy ginkgo]

btw thoughts on this team https://pokepast.es/9f80f1575ac62f0d, I've been toying around with the sixth slot and I'm not sure on what to get there, i specially have trouble against low kick weav, boots kyurem, SD gliscor and darkrai, lokix does help against some of those and has been the best mon from the ones i've tried

[eager iron]

oh yea

[faint vortex]

Ok well, since you are new to team-building and competitive pokemon, the best advice I can give you (as someone at mid-ladder) is you need to think about what style of team you want to build. This link will help with this: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/teambuilding-guide.3552468/
Another tip is think of a pokemon you really like or want to use and want to build your team around. Your other pokemon should either synergize with that mon or shore up its weaknesses

[eager iron]

so @tacit bluff what would your recomend i use ?

[tacit bluff]

regardless if you want a BO team you could check out some sample teams to see how the archetype is built in gen 9

[eager iron]

alright

[tacit bluff]

I'd kinda need to change everything ngl

[eager iron]

can haxorus be used as a bo mon

[eager iron]

xd

[tacit bluff]

you can try I wouldn't reccomend it tho

[eager iron]

is he like unusable

[tacit bluff]

idt he's ranked on the vr

[faint vortex]

@gray cradle also look at this if you want to test some teams or have an idea of what builds should look like
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-sample-teams.3712513/

[hardy ginkgo]

u could, if he fits some niche other wallbreakers don't

[eager iron]

what is vr

[tacit bluff]

its just strictly outclassed by the other physical dragon type attackers unfortunately

viability rankings

[eager iron]

ohh

[tacit bluff]

like why use haxorus when dragonite, roaring moon, kyurem etc exist

[eager iron]

because haxorus is cool ._.

[tacit bluff]

it is cool I agree sadly that doesn't win games

[eager iron]

and it gets no love from gamefreak

See, I dont want to use any legendaries as it feels a bit cheat

[tacit bluff]

gengar is my favourite fully evolved mon but unfortunately its bad in the tier 😭

[eager iron]

yea ive noticed my gengar doesnt really do much

[tacit bluff]

ah, well we don't help with the "no legendaries" rule

[faint vortex]

Did I get shunned or something?

[tacit bluff]

I'll check it in a second if you want me to

[tacit bluff]

!nolegends

[regal ginkgo]

See rule 6 of #1030567099703242903 message

[hardy ginkgo]

could u please look at this one too

if u don't mind

[tacit bluff]

sure I'll toss my two cents

[hardy ginkgo]

thanks!

[eager iron]

apparently gren is a BO mon???

[tacit bluff]

this is not bad, but there's some things that jump out at me

Ice punch on IV is certainly a choice, its a low bp move without stab and unfort thats gonna hold back its damage output severely, I assume its for beating gliscor and lando? which is valid but you do have to consider the opportunity cost there, this team is particularly weak to those two mons I'll admit, but we can perhaps shore that up in other places

roaring is fine, I'd make it adamant since its a webs team but thats about it

ghold is ok, although idfw the hex set on this team I'd make it nasty plot, ngl, bulky nasty plot to give it some staying power if you want

I personally don't fw mirror herb zamazenta since its rly situational, but you can try it, I prefer lefties on it lowkey

iron moth is also fine

one thing I would note is that hazards can pose a real problem here, especially with mons like iron moth on this team and no pokemon has boots which could come back to bite you

ig the main points would be that yeah that gliscor/lando MU needs to be bolstered, personally I'd swap out one of ur physical attackers for waterpon to help with that, as for the hazards, thats where I'd run encore on IV, it doesn't necessarily stop hazards but it does punish setting them up, ogerpon also has taunt, that should help.

[tacit bluff]

in a niche case yes

its typically HO tho

[eager iron]

so far i have jirachi, serperior, gliscor and enamorus, thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/0a390eff4a1297fd

[tacit bluff]

yeah this is certainly bootspam, not that bad but a couple things

gliscors set running double hazards renders it stone walled by every flying type in the tier, which there are plenty of, I'd run knock off over tspikes

heatran is a pokemon I don't fw that much, skarmory might be better here since it matches up better into sd gliscor by being able to whirlwind it out and generally not fearing facade, and threatens decent damage against it with brave bird while also having roost for recovery.

meow is ok here but one of the birds might be better, zapdos or moltres ur pick, alternatively hexpult is a good pivot that has status spreading, should again help with ur worse Mus, since specially defensive molt matches up much better into darkrai, as does zapdos, also moltres isn't afraid of weavile if that also appeals to you

lokix generally runs band, it needs the damage output in OU big time.

otherwise this looks ok

not the best with these types of teams but the stuff I mentioned above should help shore up your worse Matchups

anyway I must depart for now

[hardy ginkgo]

thanks!

[tacit bluff]

np

[hardy ginkgo]

but if i get rid of meow

then what do i do abt knock off

is gliscor enough on it's own?

[tacit bluff]

you do have lokix if you really need it, alternatively you could drop alolomola for something else that has knock off

like clefable

[hardy ginkgo]

eh

fair

[tacit bluff]

you lose a pivot but you'd have enough with skarmory its not that bad

wait forgot skarm doesn't have u turn

molt/zapdos/pult is what I meant

eh whatever basically you should be fine either way

you can wait for someone else to give u advice if you want a second opinion

[hardy ginkgo]

I'mma test some more mons on this rn

[faint vortex]

That'd be great

[runic nebula]

They already did

[faint vortex]

Just noticed, thanks!

[robust dome]

https://pokepast.es/cb256c722817d8b4 - Gambit Pult Gking Based balance

[viral zodiac]

https://pokepast.es/0f53e3672036d4bd specs pult+wellspring offense

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[faint vortex]

Hey there, thanks so much for replying and providing advice.

Yes, Ice punch on Valiant is to surprise Gliscor and Landorus-Therian matchups.

I like having it for them specifically.

I changed moon to a bulky DD Tera ground set. I will keep Taunt on it to help control hazards. I've wanted to try out this set since I've heard of it, so will test it out.

Speaking of, yes my hazard control is non-existent. I was debating adding Tusk or Treads to help with that. I like ogerpon and thought of it when I built the first iteration of this team, that's an option.

Made Ghold bulky Nasty Plot, which would help with its killing potential. Should I have Dazzling Gleam tho?

You said my team was weak two 2 pokemon. Which would those be? I haven't played with this in a while so any experience I had with it is limited.

[hot dome]

why are you posting teams you dont play with

[faint vortex]

I played with it frequently before, but since the semester is going now, i wanted to make sure it was up to date with the meta and since I never got to get people to look at it, I figured what better time

[gray cradle]

Hi fellas, could you pls rate my team: https://pokepast.es/779a25dab91fb963

-As the party name says, I wanna use haxorus
-glim as first pick
-inteleon for ting lu and gholdengo (50% chance to ohko them or takes 2 shots/can tank one attack from both), maybe gliscor too
-foretss to remove hazards
-toxtricity to deal with substitute stall
-alomomola as healing option (idk about this, I could change this to anything)

[low phoenix]

Haxorus may be funny in destroying stall but don’t use it

This doesn’t look like a hyper offense so glimmora is bad

Ogerpon wellspring does Inteleons job but better

Fortress is not good use great tusk instead

Toxtricity is unviable

Mola is best used with mons that appreciate its pivoting and wish passing capabilities such as weavile meowscarada great tusk etc aka balance/bulky offense

[tacit bluff]

"basically this is unviable lol"

[gray cradle]

Ok, looks like I need many revise for my party. Thank you bros

[soft wagon]

https://pokepast.es/1f1c47b43b8ed14e
hey there can someone help me on teambuilding, so far i've done some playtest and realized that i have no ground type move to hit electric mons for 2x dmg (is it 2x or 4x? i forgot) any suggestion on this team?

please keep in mind im new in team building

-iron valiant as core
-usually pairs with pincurchin as i dont run booster energy
-its either iron valiant pincurchin lead or incineroar goldhengo lead,(rarely use goldhengo water ogerpon lead)
-recently swapped pincurchin discharge for electroweb as i like having some speed control
-currently dont really like goldhengo's moveset as i found myself only clicking "make it rain" and rarely hex
-corviknight is usually used as pivot or as a take with iron defense with body press to threaten enemy mons
-also i never click sword dance on iron valiant so im planning to switch that out aswell

[tacit bluff]

this is for doubles OU

#1059655497587888158

wrong thread lol

[round portal]

How do you build something that isn’t weather or terrain lmao

1870 and I can still only use those 2 ;-;

[blazing swallow]

Is this team solid: https://pokepast.es/897e62f5d5fc1f97

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blazing swallow]

Tried making some kind of kingambit h-stack

[faint vortex]

Made some changes to this team, as per the advice of @tacit bluff, will most likely be subject to more changes. Any advice is appreciated, please and thank you https://pokepast.es/c9df7c51a6ceef9f

[shut swallow]

https://pokepast.es/83e016937dd6adc7 playing with it has been fun but lowkey every game is sketch. Idea is mostly balance I believe

[faint vortex]

This team is more of a bulky hazard stack, and it's really cool

[hot dome]

this is a solid start but im not a fan of some of the choices here

[faint vortex]

One thing I could suggest is change one of your Tera Waters to diversify your Teras. Might i ask which pokemon you've faced that you've had the toughest matchup against

[hot dome]

Chiefly Garchomp, which really doesn't offer much for this team

I'm not sure what's up with the Corv IVs, but idt you can really drop defog for this team, espsieclaly since you have multiple hazard weak pokemon

Crown evs aren't the best as well

This team lacks a breaker but doesn't have the reliable hazard pressure to make up for it, bolt is alright here but since its much more reliant on a 1 time item and this team generally likes to switch in more than once, im not surei tshte best pick over options liek Darkrai instead, which can reliably come in more often

i would swap chomp for ting lu with only rocks, shift clef to a twave set (and maybe sticky barb over lefties, but that's just me), swap corv to tera grass/dragon and full bulk with defog, swap crown to the evs of the av set, and swap out bolt for np boots darkrai

[cold cosmos]

weather or terrain in sv?

[cold cosmos]

thats viable?

[civic lion]

How can I improve this team: https://pokepast.es/34617a9b5ea5fe61

[molten phoenix]

Introducing: Hyper offense

Safe switch in > setup > we ball

(i have no knowledge about this game whatsoever)

[molten phoenix]

Isnt rilaboom?

And like

Sun if you really want to commit to the turtle

[cold cosmos]

but

like

do you mean shit with hawlucha and stuff

[molten phoenix]

Uhhh

Pon?

Serp?...

Idk

[cold cosmos]

serp?

surely not

[molten phoenix]

Maybe its not as good

But i play it

Its fun

Gimmicky, but if it works it works well

[tacit bluff]

yes?

g terrain offence is a very real thing

hawlucha ursaluna + some other attackers with rillaboom

the former two don't have to both be on the team but yeah its a valid playstyle

[round portal]

Yaaa

[round portal]

I’m so bad I can’t play with hyper offence 💀

[molten phoenix]

I mean

[round portal]

I lost to my 1100 friend with hyper offensive

[molten phoenix]

Isnt ho generally bad in high ladder

[round portal]

Nah it’s very much viable

[molten phoenix]

Idk i am like 1400 something lol

But i heard that ho is very bad and stall is even worse than normally in high

But if you say its not you might be right

[round portal]

I play against ho quite a lot in top ladder

Idk

[molten phoenix]

Fair

Despite the viablity its the coolest

Why would you make some complex strategies when you can go fuck it we ball

[cold cosmos]

it is? ive never heard of it lol

[round portal]

If stall is the least skilled, then HO must be the most skilled 🔥

[round portal]

It’s easy to built also :)

[molten phoenix]

Ong its on the other end of the spectrum 💯

Ey this might be a hot take but

[round portal]

I’m waiting for the day pincurchin gets volt switch so I can build a elec terr team

[molten phoenix]

Stall might not be skilled nor be fun to be played against but using stall is fun

[cold cosmos]

valid

[cold cosmos]

both of them are kinda low skill

[molten phoenix]

Watching your opponent do no damage to your mons at all as his health slowly drains gives some type of satisfaction

[cold cosmos]

(pinkacross fan moment)

[round portal]

Ya :3

[molten phoenix]

Thats why i use em

[round portal]

I was in his comeback video 💀

[molten phoenix]

Also ho has the best designs 🔥

[round portal]

Lost to steel beam kingambit

[molten phoenix]

I mean ho mons

[cold cosmos]

that was you

[round portal]

Yup :)

[cold cosmos]

you lost to your own gterrain?

[round portal]

I was the one using

[round portal]

Roaring moon and wake look so cool:)

[molten phoenix]

Fr

Isnt wake exclusive to sun teams tho

Is there such a thing as sun ho

[round portal]

I heard of sun ho

[tacit bluff]

Sun HO is real yes

[round portal]

Honestly I don’t know anything abt this game lmao, I just one trick terrain and weather

[tacit bluff]

Well if you play weather you rly shouldn't be that bad at playing HO ngl

They're both offence oriented

[cold cosmos]

confused his luna vid mb

[tacit bluff]

BO same story

Albeit weather teams are never BO

[round portal]

Maybe I just need a good HO team

[tacit bluff]

There's some good samples

[round portal]

What’s the copy paste for that one glimmora team everyone uses

[cold cosmos]

welcome to dark spam

[round portal]

The only counter to my ghost spam 😔

[cold cosmos]

no blacephalon 😔

those who nose : 💀

[round portal]

Mimikyu and dragapult 🔥

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/2392f0c068eb0b9b

grassy terrain idea

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[round portal]

too meta for me :P

for honest opinions, uh

the iron crown set is kinda wierd :P

and lucha using sub is odd

[cold cosmos]

its the nd set lmao

[cold cosmos]

this is the sm set i believe

[round portal]

oh

i use fire punch on lucha

and tera fire

[cold cosmos]

for what

[round portal]

gholdengo

uh

just works well with tera fire ig

[static agate]

https://pokepast.es/c722810bdda712f2 okidogi team yessir

[round portal]

heatran needs toxic back fr

[round portal]

iron crown seems a bit too frail to use stored power idk, i dont believe in it :3

[round portal]

with tachyon cutter i would believe in it

[faint vortex]

Made some changes to this team, will most likely be subject to more changes. Any advice is appreciated, please and thank you https://pokepast.es/c9df7c51a6ceef9f

https://pokepast.es/c9df7c51a6ceef9f

[random vault]

Gamers please don't chat in here like it's compgen it makes it hard to see the teams
Also if someone already rated your team, im not sure why you're coming back saying it'll be subject to more changes. Have you taken it on the ladder? Are there matchups you want to patch up? Nocturne already spent time helping you with your team so if you don't have specific concerns im not sure what youre looking for

[faint vortex]

I have tested it, but wondering if there was anything else I could work on

That's all

[hot dome]

i mean usually nocturne gives good rates and i dont see why they would suddenly do any differently now

[tacit bluff]

Thanks faya!

[tacit bluff]

But regardless my advice remains the same the gliscor/Lando MU is a bit dicey which is why I recommended wellspring

Wellspring also likes webs because it's speed tier is at that awkward phase where it's fast but not blazing quick and webs pushes it over the edge for sure

I'd maybe put it over iron moth

You would be left with only one special attacker but that's not too pressing, it also frees up ice punch on Iron Valiant for something more consistent

[faint vortex]

Never doubted their advice. In fact, was hoping to hear from them again

[faint vortex]

I was thinking of taking out Valiant and zama in favor of Tusk and Ogerpon W. What do you think?

I like moth and think it's a good back up speed wise to have if webs don't stick around

[blazing swallow]

Bruh no one rated mine

https://pokepast.es/c618db8fe50b37f9

[low phoenix]

is it just me or does it feel like you have a weak matchup vs sd gliscor

and ogerpon w

[random vault]

It does look incredibly 6-0d by gliscor. Also waterpon true. Roar without iron defense also seems weird, generally you use roar to phase out guys who set up alongside you

[alpine hornet]

eh i like 3a roar zama on some hstacks

i’d probably make scor tera dragon and zama ice fang tho

[alpine hornet]

idt that fixes all the issues but it alleviates them

[round portal]

i tilted 220 rating today 🔥

i might need to change my team

[light bane]

https://pokepast.es/adda20e197451abc

[hot dome]

this is ou

[light bane]

Need help making an OU team

[hot dome]

you have posted a uu team

[light bane]

Ya I had it labeled like that for a while

Trying to make it OU

[hot dome]

ok well it should stay a uu team

because to make it OU you would have to replace basically every single mon

And then its literally just another team at that point

[light bane]

Hm interesting

Could I work with the Scizor Rotom core

[hot dome]

no

[light bane]

Can you explain

[hot dome]

rotom is trash and scizor is a niche pick at best

wash can't check any of the threats in the tier properly and doesnt have any other noteworthy traits to justify its place on an ou team

scizor has the small niche of fairy/kyurem check but definitely not good enough of a mon to carry wash to ou

[shut swallow]

What are crown av spreads and do u think nasty plot boots Darkrai is the play

Cuz smogons av crown is the max spatk and speed

[hot dome]

Huh, guess I’m too natdex pilled, my b on that one

And yes np boots Darkrai should be a solid pick for your team

[shut swallow]

Ok sick

What's the main disadvantage with running chomp tho? Cuz I rly like the chip from rough skin and helmet

[hot dome]

Honestly I’m not completely satisfied with the team since I think you should pivot to hard boots stack but this is a decent in between that still maintains most mons

[hot dome]

He’s just kinda ass ngl

His offenses aren’t very good and his defenses are downright bad

Doesn’t offer great utility

Other setters just offer better utility/roles

[shut swallow]

I see

U think helmet on corv would be solid then

[hot dome]

Yeah that’s fine

[shut swallow]

And then what ab like lando t or another rocks setter instead of ting lu cuz 3 dark types doesn't rly sit that well with me

Or is that fine

[hot dome]

Lando over ting Lu is an option but then you have 3 different phys def mons

And you should prob drop clef/corv

(It also generally pushes your team to a more bulky offense style)

[shut swallow]

I'm not very attached to corv tbh

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/2392f0c068eb0b9b

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cold cosmos]

long time building smth like this lol

probably trash

[light bane]

https://pokepast.es/a982cd0199ca3b7b

Need help filling my other 3 slots making a sand team

[tacit bluff]

We only rate completed teams btw

But I'm gonna tell you now sand is very niche in Gen 9 OU and incineroar is not good on said sand team, in fact it's not very good at all

[runic nebula]

Also for future reference in your building endeavors

Don’t use fake out

Unless if you’re running an Ambipom

But then don’t run Ambipom

[random vault]

Looks smashed by iron moth, slap a heatran on here (will also help with ghold since we are removing cinderace)
Id personally also go for seed hatt over boots cinderace, good synergy since heatran generally brings in gliscor who provides free entry for hatt, and it's more preventative than court change so you can maintain sturdy on your stonerpon
You have tera steel on your iron crown when it should have a defensive tera for double dance, you don't have tachyon cutter to boost w tera steel.
Hope this helps good luck and have fun on mobile so can't give an updated paste sorry

[tacit bluff]

now that I look at it this looks a lot like a vgc team skeleton and not a gen 9 ou one

I am curious what format they meant to build for

[old vortex]

I was told that this team is not viable in ubers, but is it viable here? https://pokepast.es/87ed56053d4d3ee6

[hot dome]

uh not really

not really sure why you have two rain setters, nor scarf legion, nor floatzel, and thundy is iffy at best

[old vortex]

The 2 rain setters is to always keep rain active, since sun is very prevalent in this gen

[hot dome]

its not worth it, especially since politoad is frankly bad

You’re basically playing 4v6 against any team and rain is not that good to make up for it

[old vortex]

I beg to differ

[hot dome]

If you come here asking for advice then refuse to listen I’m not sure what you’re here for

[old vortex]

Well all I’m gonna say is that banded tera water floatzel one-shots almost the entire metagame under rain, and thundy is there to take care of most would-be checks

[hot dome]

Ok that’s great

[old vortex]

Right

[hot dome]

Flotazel also dies in two wave crashes and blanks into waterpon

While skewda does the same without the whole killing itself part

[old vortex]

Yeah and that’s why I have two other offensive mons to go before floatzel

[hot dome]

Thundy is iffy at best considering It’s stab is walled by ting Lu

[hot dome]

Neither of which beat waterpon

And both of which overlap roles

Once again, I don’t know why you’re in this channel if you seem to be unwilling to change

If you don’t want to change your team that’s your choice, but don’t come to this channel asking for validation

[old vortex]

Well then, please show me what a viable hyper-offense rain team looks like, because so far my team is doing pretty well

[hot dome]

Pelipper skewda treads bolt waterpon check filler

[old vortex]

Like poke paste it

[hot dome]

I’m on mobile rn

[runic nebula]

I’m more so urked by the four choice mons

[hot dome]

1 for each move slot

[tacit bluff]

Rain teams this Gen only run like, 2 rain abusers

In OU anyway

Weather in general is not that strong

[simple perch]

Just look up a sample rain is pretty cookie cutter not really a play style worth building your own team for because most choices there's an objectively right answer

[round portal]

Rain is fun to play:)

[covert saffron]

https://pokepast.es/03901d698488a6e2

I want a pretty bulky balance team, so i put a few wall in there that are supposed to work well together, as well as the zamazenta+glowking combo that works well. My main concern is Gholdengo, and i'm not sure how to use dragapult as i feel like it's a bit too squishy to bring in comfortably, and especially take a hit if it doesnt kill with its initial attack

. I used to run kingambit instead of ting-lu, but i couldn't really handle sweepers, and i find it patches up the holes of skamory and glowking pretty well, except for enamorus, which is a terrible matchup for all three of my walls with mystic fire + earth power coverage. |

Would really appreciate some advice on how to improve it!

[round portal]

A little weak to kyurem also but Tbf what team isn’t weak to at least kyurem set

[covert saffron]

somehow i never encountered kyurem in my testing, but surely glowking can take a draco meteor right?

[covert saffron]

also just realised i never gave ting-lu a nature!! that would help lol

[low phoenix]

Team looks pretty fine

I dig it

I’d say replace one of your fighting types with kingambit for your kyu/gold check

You have bp skarm and tusk/Zama for your gambit check

And pult for speed control

[covert saffron]

Can kingambit deal as much damage as zamazenta? I really need great tusk for my hazard control, as i'm a big spinner. Zamazenta is my main wallbreaker, and kingambit is usually a setup sweeper or defensive check, right?

[low phoenix]

oh yea since i saw everyone using boots i assumed this was bootspam

id say keep tusk

and change zama

zama isnt a wallbreaker its a sweeper/speed control

aaa is powerful but not that powerful without any boosting options

kingambit is a defensive check but can sweep

[cold cosmos]

im sorry but theres no moth here... theres a cinderace? im getting confused haha

[hot dome]

?

reread spidget's message

[civic lion]

How can I improve this team: https://pokepast.es/34617a9b5ea5fe61

[cold cosmos]

ohh mb, i thought they meant that iron moth was a bad pick here or smth lol

https://pokepast.es/721769e7437ec492

hows this HO team lol (inspired by speed booster rm)

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[native saffron]

Okidogi balance https://pokepast.es/c1ae2f26beb1f946

[royal flume]

Hawlucha OU
https://pokepast.es/43dc029c71560190

[royal flume]

so far only 1 loss with this team doing great

[low phoenix]

you dont really need iron moth on this team since you have lucha, id switch it to a steel like kingambit for your kyurem/gold matchup

i think band rillaboom is better for this team as i notice a lack of immediate offensive power on your team

you can make kyurem subtect to make it really annoying to kill under grass

[simple perch]

Subtect roost kyurem🤩

[tropic hearth]

https://pokepast.es/e623fa62a68a7d80
tried to build around AoA zama darkrai is not bad but it doesn’t exactly fit here nmi/dice kyurem could be the one fits here with strong hazard removal but I’m not sure also while corv with spdf investment can sponge hits from subtect kyurem stuff like Tera blast fire feels so bad to play against since i have no hazard pressure maybe i could change the Ting-Lu set anyways any idea on improving this

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[terse escarp]

This was a team (minus zama) I had a good while ago for SV ou
Was intended to be bulky offense, though I'm not sure if it even was
But after some matches and not knowing where the meta is at now, I wanna change things
Zamazenta is where rotom wash was, ignore it, pretend it is rotom-wash
I'm planning on removing dondozo and wash, just idk what with
https://pokepast.es/a6b9766b4e9dd5f3

[hot dome]

so it seems this team isn't finished yet, but you seem pretty new to the tier (dozo should not be on any team clsoe to offense, cinderace shouldn't run trailblaze, garchomp is not a good fit here, and im not sure why you would run wash over zamazenta), so i would recommend you use a sample team for now to learn the metagame first

you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[terse escarp]

Yeah I have seen that dozo is
Dead weight to my team
Even when I was more active it never provided value other than being a sac for a cinder or nite switch in </3

[hot dome]

unforuntaley it is too fat and too passive

[terse escarp]

Yeah....

[past sapphire]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[past sapphire]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/721769e7437ec492

[wooden linden]

https://pokepast.es/3f88bca7403d9adf

[toxic smelt]

https://pokepast.es/d9cd94a9c92ec820
SD gliscor semi stall
Anything i should improve?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Make slowking galar the pivot set Idt av is needed here.

2. Must make ace offensive pivot with sucker punch for pult.

3. I think corner stone can just be wellspring tbh more consistent and give you some utility with water absorb.

4. Make pult specs tera ghost,

[empty verge]

This is for you

[empty verge]

Just run max attack on lando. Make roaring moon a taunt variant drop eq. I feel like I like booster Val a bit more over raging bolt. But those are the things I’d probly change

[empty verge]

I’m not very well versed with stall in ou but I know quag should be dozo. Enam is a questionable pick here. Alomomola here also feels kinda sketchy. I will probably leave this to a fellow rater.

You lose to stuff like taunt roaring moon, glasses gambit, mixed kyurem, and some variants of iron valiant from what I’m seeing.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[low phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/b59cc18e29e71b67

boltbeam kyu ho

Ik body press is niche on kyu but im pretty sure ive seen ppl use it and it helps vs my kingambit matchup

[cold cosmos]

anything else? also i really wanted to build rm speed booster since that can catch a lot of people/mons such as booster val, booster moth off guard

[alpine hornet]

body press is only really used on sublefties or boots kyu, i'd drop it for sub

otherwise looks pretty standard

must say gleamshock dengo + taunt rmoon is cringe

act yeah make dengo mir over gleam as well

bc ival solos tera dark bliss

[tropic hearth]

Bump

[empty verge]

Make zama boots and do roar > crunch

2. Make darkrai boots as well Idt you need scarf that much here. Dark pulse,ice beam,Sludge bomb and last can be knock.

3. Ting Lu set feels passive just make it whirlwind rocks set

I think that’s what I would go with

[tropic hearth]

Hmm get it thx although why roar over crunch ? Don’t i get blanked by ghosts it can 2hko stuff like bulky dengo with expert belt

Also since you are advising me to bootspam should i drop the double removal aspect

[molten oracle]

https://pokepast.es/f95da7ff4c874fd6
anyone can improve my team?

first time making a team btw

[tacit bluff]

Well since you're new generally you want a team of 6 that synergize with each other and work together to fit a certain team structure, like Hyper offence, Bulky offence, balance etc and those have their own subsets

These pokemon do not synergize with each other at all, to fix this I'd need to know what kind of team you're aiming to have

[molten oracle]

well, I feel that 🥲😁

I think this is not perfect and just put random ability

[tacit bluff]

Glimmora is a HO lead, toxapex is a stallmon, corv is generally on stall or balance teams greninja is another HO mon, hoopa and darkrai are more flexible but I wouldn't use both

Also since this is your first team I wouldn't use 3 mons that aren't ranked OU either

[molten oracle]

really? but i can still play with it

[tacit bluff]

Whilst yes some of them do have genuine viability in the tier, it takes time to find where those viable niches are and how to use them

[tacit bluff]

You can but they're not OU for a reason let's just say

[molten oracle]

Can you tell me what the playing style of each team is like?

I'm starting to get confused again

[tacit bluff]

#comp-general message this should help

This was for an older Gen of OU but it's still applicable

[empty verge]

You can drop ice fang if you want but no you don’t really get blanked by ghost cause you have a darkrai

[narrow crest]

https://pokepast.es/675afd91abe617cf

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[empty verge]

Ice fang > heavy slam on zama and make Zama boots you don’t need LO

[narrow crest]

noticing i struggle with dozo, how can i help with that

i was also considering steelbeam treads over lando

[empty verge]

Make cinder ace offensive with sucker punch cc pyro and turn

[empty verge]

You can add a strong special attacker to threaten it

Raging bolt > Enam

You need a water resist anyway

Zama is already fine speed control on its own

[narrow crest]

was tryna build around enam ace and glowking tho but i see

also im assuming cm bolt too right

and do i change ace evs?

[low phoenix]

nah keep lando, lando is better on standard offense teams

i think you can change enam to raging bolt if you are struggling with dozo

also change zama's set to ironpress

and cinderace to standard offensive set with sucker punch for dragapult

[tacit bluff]

https://pokepast.es/d1457ab6030978e4 trying to make use of le pecha

I kinda need a knocker, thats been holding me back a bit

idk whether to commit fully to hex and stack on t spikes glowking ngl

[low phoenix]

I’m guessing great tusk can take Zamas place?

It has knock and can fill the role of a gambit check

[tacit bluff]

hmmm true

[low phoenix]

And u have pult already for speed

[tacit bluff]

I do then have 3 water weaks

[low phoenix]

Ok

[tacit bluff]

I would've had 4 but I swapped molt for zap

[low phoenix]

I’m poutside so I’m just skimming rn

[tacit bluff]

yeah nw

tusk could work

[low phoenix]

What about water/grasspon?

They have knock + water resist/immunity

[tacit bluff]

those too, I think I'd prefer grasspon since it can actually hold boots and I don't rly have any hazard control besides taunt lando

which is enough the team doesn't care for hazards but still

[narrow crest]

wouldn’t i struggle with moon if i had sp tho?

[low phoenix]

Zama checks moon

And lando

Just don’t let it setup too much

[narrow crest]

bet

what item we thinking on zama tho? resto chesto seems like it can be fun

[low phoenix]

Leftovers

Not too familiar with rest + chests but I think that set works better on hyper offense

[tacit bluff]

rest is real I just prefer lefties ngl

both are valid tho cause zamazenta has a rly fast rest and basically gets a second lease on life

in exchange for roar or some extra coverage

[soft maple]

yo
i have 2 teams, im jus testing new mechanics.
i need to create a good team to learn how to play and your analysis gon be good for me
be honest
https://pokepast.es/a555f8b1b1e53ec7
https://pokepast.es/79c9c1be3dd9d5d7

the idea (maybe) is take what you found of good on the two teams, and mescle it
if i could choose, i would keep gliscor, he is my favorite

[soft maple]

the good parts yk

pokemon recommendation will also help

[native saffron]

tried making an Okidogi team and not sure how to feel about it
https://pokepast.es/464624d9a5dd6b5e

[soft maple]

a lot of sweepers

[native saffron]

The only other sweeper that would work on this team is gholdengo

If I replace thunder wave with NP

Should I do that?

[charred yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/a36b4e00a03eb7cb any way I can improve my team?

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[charred yarrow]

It works most of the time but sometimes it just gets caught and I cant really do nothin

[hot dome]

so i see this is a mono steel team

i would not recommend running any mono team in sv ou, as none of them are truly viable

[charred yarrow]

Would you believe me if I told you i didnt realise that when I made it

[hot dome]

that's really funny then

but yeah mono steel is not very good because this will, at best, have a very rough time against zama, and more likely just gets 6-0ed

[charred yarrow]

Usually my problem is ground types

Was thinking of replacing one of em with great tusk

[soft maple]

consider it a big problem
theres a lot of ground types

is hard to find a match that theres a team without great tusk

[hot dome]

or lando

or gliscor

[soft maple]

ting lu
garchomp
treads
excadrill

garchonp has been used a lot

chomp

[hot dome]

chomp has not been used a lot

its really just tusk lando gliscor lu and sometimes treads

but wtv the point is still there

this team can't really be fixed by just swapping out 1-2 mons

cuz then you're just 4 fighting weak + 2 non fighting weak lol

[hot dome]

also some picks are questionable (heatran and scizor are both on the nicher side of OU, while excadrill is a sand exclusive mon)

you seem new to the tier so i would recommend picking up a sample team and laddering with it first to learn the tier

you can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[tacit bluff]

oh yeah faya since ur here hows this, memester already suggested swapping zamazenta for great tusk so I have a knocker or maybe grasspon I'm just wondering if you have anything else to add

you tend to be better with bulkier teams than I am

[empty verge]

Teal pon over zap probably gives you a knocker as well

Alternatively you could do sd knock gliscor over lando and make ting Lu rocks and zapdos could be skarm

(Bb whirlwind roost and spikes)

Tera dragon

[tacit bluff]

Hmm alright, I could do tealpon over zap

Makes the hex thing a bit weaker but that should be alright.

Thx

[empty verge]

Np

[soft maple]

i played about 10 games yesterday and 3 or 4 of them had a garchomp

can you see my team?

im arriving at home, when i arrive ill send it

[runic nebula]

Where on the ladder are you?

If it’s somewhere lower that would probably explain the abundance of garchomp

[soft maple]

https://pokepast.es/7d2768f8e7ca3f3d

[soft maple]

1200 i think😭
im begginer

but prob thats the reason

idrk

[runic nebula]

Yeah, garchomp is just a popular mon in general so it’s probably seeing more usage on low ladder

[soft maple]

youre right

[runic nebula]

Which isn’t necessarily a representation of the metagame

[soft maple]

can you

rate

my team?

[runic nebula]

I don’t play SV OU so I can’t really give you the advice on par of an actual rater

[soft maple]

oh

thats ok

but

i have a doubt

where in the ladder is considerate a good position?

top 500 is 1700

[runic nebula]

For cg ou it’s usually 1600-1700 where you’ll consistently see competent teams and 1750+ are usually pretty good players

[soft maple]

ok

thx

https://pokepast.es/7d2768f8e7ca3f3d
if someone can rate that
tell me

[random vault]

You look far too weak to ground coverage as well as hazards. Ting lu owns you. Tera ice is not a good tera for glowking as it provides no defense utility. If you're new to the game and team building, I'd recommend trying out a sample to play with until you're a bit more experienced so next time you teambuild you'll have a better grasp on the meta

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[soft maple]

what you think about putting some hazard control in place of ghold

[soft maple]

im gonna test sss sun

[soft maple]

@random vault

can you recommnend me a hazard control?

[random vault]

If you mean for the original team you posted, I have no idea how I'd salvage it with the addition of hazard control. If you mean in general, I like tusk and hatterene, you can check the role compendium but idk how up to date it is

!ouresources

[regal ginkgo]

OU (Gen 9)

• Sample teams
• Viability rankings
• Speed tiers
• Role compendium
• Metagame discussion thread
• Discord
• Pokemon Showdown! room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[soft maple]

i mean

pokes that remove hazards

[tacit bluff]

You see the link that says Role compendium

[tacit bluff]

Right here

That would show you all the mons that have hazard removal options

There'll be a line that splits the more viable ones from the very niche ones

[random vault]

Yeah sorry idk how I missed the ping reply but that's why I pulled up the role compendium

[molten phoenix]

Any ideas how to improve this?
https://pokepast.es/81650d297e983768

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[molten phoenix]

This is my first time ever building a stall team and it has issues

[tacit bluff]

I'm not great with stall but not running hazards is gonna severely hold you back

Stall relies primarily on indirect damage, hazards are your best bet to doing that while they slowly wear down the team, it's supposed to work with your toxic spreading rather than one or the other

[cold cosmos]

id ask the stall discor

this seems to lose to wogre

sd wogre

[molten phoenix]

Can i get an invite

(still cant believe thats a thing)

[regal ginkgo]

https://www.smogon.com/discord/directory

[cold cosmos]

dms

[molten phoenix]

Ive made some changes
https://pokepast.es/fa2307133d3718c0

[cold cosmos]

nice username

in the pokepast

[molten phoenix]

Tt

Ty

[soft maple]

duds

zapdos

with

voltsw, thund wave and roost can play with protect or hurricane is better?

[soft maple]

garga brainrot no skill
and a lot of hazards

[molten phoenix]

"garga brairot no skill"
Said responding to a stall team

Also i changed the team

https://pokepast.es/9e7fc4eb052c3a7d

It feels a lot better now

Though i still feel like this blissey is

Idk could either have a better set or just be changed to something else entirely

[soft maple]

let me see

[soft maple]

i hate this mon

srry

[molten phoenix]

Garg is pronably the least hated mon on that team

[soft maple]

this is really better

fat team

but, if your patient this will work

[soft maple]

salt rock
protect
switch
return protect

[molten phoenix]

Okay have you ever fought a dondozo in your life

Or gliscor

[soft maple]

yes

i use gliscor

[barren ridge]

This isn’t the channel for questions like this please use #comp-general or the dex unless you’re getting a team rated

[soft maple]

k

[charred yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/48182d0c790ae805 alright I changed up my team from last time I think its pretty good

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[charred yarrow]

Its working well

I think I still need to chanhe things tho

Mainly figuring out if I need to change corviknight or slowking and sandslash

[tacit bluff]

sandslash

I understand the idea but no 😭

And also some of these mons don't synergize all that well and the sets are odd

Firstly drop sandslash, it's hopeless in a metagame where some of the best mons around are fighting type, zamazenta completely stonewalls you and even with slush rush would still outspeed you because you decided to not run any speed investment, sandslash is not naturally fast enough to get the jump on zamazenta even with double speed

And coupled with the booster mons running around yeah that guy is not outspeeding much and the snow is only gonna be up for some 4 turns

Kingambit has some slightly funky evs, just go with the bulky sd ev spread on smogdex

AV tusk isn't the worst idea but I think bulk up benefits you much more in this team

Spa booster IV without vaccum wave is not a choice I'd make personally, one of your moves should probably go for it

Corv and glowking are odd picks here, the rest of your mons are geared heavily towards offence and both of these guys slow said offence down a lot, you'd probably do better with something like zamazenta or Iron Moth

[pallid moss]

your team needs tera types

[charred yarrow]

Okay ill look at stuff for that, but in the time ive posted that Ive just been looking for a final two

Because I feel good with what I have, it works really well against most teams, I just need a final two because Im still trying to find what works well with the team

Gking and sandslash were just a little thing I threw in because I couldnt really figure anything out

[hot dome]

a lot of your sets are kinda strange

[hot dome]

like nocturne said, gambit's evs are pretty strange you can't really afford to go full bulk since you miss out on certain speed tiers you really want to hit, av tusk really isn't good as most special attackers chip you down anyways and now you dont remove hazards as well + iron head is a waste of a slot since you slam fairies with Headlong anyways, ice spinner would be much better, the valiant set is strange as well as 4attack special is really bad since you kinda thud into most special walls especially gking without the power of calm mind and the eves are strange as well, bulk up corv just isnt viable in sv ou due to the plethora of taunt/encore/powerful special attackers running around that can easily exploit this, the gking set doesnt work as you never want to tera poison and future sight is much more useful than pump, and if you really want to hit the grounds run ice beam, and finally alolan sandslahs just isn't viable in the tier

You seem new to the tier, and I would heavily recommend you use a sample team to learn the tier first, as its pretty hard to build a team without solid metagame knowledge

You can find them here

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[charred yarrow]

👍

[clever rover]

https://pokepast.es/c78bfd8a59849ede

Ubers main here, Felt like making some wogrepon HO because I just don’t what to do with the more diverse tier lol.

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

But basically the two things I wanna keep is SD Val and Wogre

Taunt roaring moon looked enticing for me since I always respect stall in the builder

Alas, even though I usually hate HO sometimes u gotta make sacrifices

[tacit bluff]

This is pretty standard, I'm not a big fan of boosterspam in a tier with a lot of phasing but you're hardly gonna be making switches with HO so it's not that bad

I'd make Val encore over spirit break but that's about it

[cold cosmos]

maybe eq on rm over taunt

your choice

stall isnt that great/used here

[gilded dagger]

https://pokepast.es/7451b4d5e0443f1b
opinions on this for OU as a kind of monoblack team? (clodsire looks more black as a shiny) I wasn't 100% sure on the moves but

[hot dome]

Sorry, we don’t build around gimmicks

[gilded dagger]

fair enough, thank you regardless ❤️

[tacit bluff]

Taunt is still really good

It's more than just an anti stall tech it's useful against phasing and burn attempts

[cold cosmos]

mono.. black..

corv's shiny aint black

[rotund lodge]

https://pokepast.es/28e8dbe1773e7b3f Opinions?

[soft maple]

very ofensive
a tank with status moves gonna make you mad

https://pokepast.es/931a0f5dacd2cecb can someone rate? or say what can i improve?

[rotund lodge]

Believe me, Salt Cure is the bane of my existence

[soft maple]

its of all of us

but see
i have a team with toxapex (beneful, toxic, haze and rec)
this toxa will mess up with your team

can understand?

[rotund lodge]

Laughs in Earthquake

[blazing swallow]

Laughs in Psychic

[hot dome]

so if you're running webs you really need to dedicate fully to the playstyle, but this team doesn't
Venusaur isn't viable in OU unless its on a sun team as a sweeper which this isnt, defensive glimmora isnt viable, rillaboom isnt a great pick on webs teams as webs has options with similar powers that aren't choice locked, sash enamorus isnt the best on webs either since you will struggle to keep rocks off, and valiant doesn't need vaccum wave sicne its outspeed everything anyways

Webs also always needs Gholdengo, and Gambit is a near mandatory pick as well

Quiver Dance bee also isn't good since youd much rather have the utility

[rotund lodge]

Is this team bad?

[hot dome]

You seem to be inexperiecned in the tier, so I would recommend using a sample team for now to learn the tier first before building

!gen9ousamples

[regal ginkgo]

Gen 9 OU Samples: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3712513/

[hot dome]

Alternatively you can use this standard webs team
https://pokepast.es/3704bc03165d1967

[hot dome]

Pelipper is extremely random here and im not sure molt galar is the best pick for spikes hyper offense, but if you pivot this to Screens Hyper Offense with Alolan Ninetales it could be pretty solid

(also why does moth have attack investment)

[rotund lodge]

Bc why not

[hot dome]

Ok well don't

If youw ant to have speed booster use the smogon spread for evs

And you'd rather have a defensive/offensive Tera besides Fire

[rotund lodge]

How about fairy?

[hot dome]

https://pokepast.es/2b56176ded415e1a
Changes I would make to the team

-Swap Iron Moth's evs and Tera Fairy
-Bulkier gambit evs
-Atales over Hamurott
-Great Tusk over Pelipper, for hazard control and a secondary gambit check

[rotund lodge]

Got it

[rotund lodge]

Ok this worked wonders

[hot dome]

👍

[soft maple]

i dont like ghold
can you recommend me a gambit build?

[hot dome]

Webs is not viable without ghold

If you want a non-webs team with gambit, take a look at the samples

[soft maple]

how do I know what strategy I need to follow?

[hot dome]

Webs is pretty straightforward

[soft maple]

oh

sorry

so ill not use webs anymore

[hot dome]

Set webs, do your best to keep it off while throwing sweepers

[soft maple]

see

i have another team

https://pokepast.es/c5f2700e354c6188

there some points that im having problems to solve

the sweepers

and this zapdos

im trying to ignore the gliscor beacuse i cant think someone to replace

in short: lack of knowledge

[hot dome]

Yeah I’m ngl this team is pretty questionable, especially in moveset choices

Once again, I would highly recommend using a sample team to learn the tier first

[soft maple]

.

ill do it

for a while

like this week end

can you choose a team for me?

what you thinks gonna be better for learn

[hot dome]

https://pokepast.es/d9df62e9be9b2385

Standard hyper offense team, easy to pick up

[soft maple]

ok

thanks

[long obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/eac7ee2a7e05d179 a bunch of favs from different metas, and some new additions (sinistcha and garnacle) im thinking since my team is so slow i should give porygon2 trickroom

would love some feedback

[random vault]

Doubles has its own thread

This is for gen9ou which is singles

You want the DOU thread I think

[long obsidian]

thx

[thin summit]

So how does this exactly work?

Do I just post my teams?

[rotund lodge]

Use pokepaste

[thin summit]

I’m not sure what that is

[nocturne sable]

!pokepaste

[regal ginkgo]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1293307969475182683/pokepasteps2.png?ex=6706e668&is=670594e8&hm=473ea55bba62b4466d005e1287190cb7b945f46400f85c5bea25356aef3b7f56&

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1293307969697484810/pokepastelink2.png?ex=6706e668&is=670594e8&hm=b94173a7798965a22200f5cefb03250873dfdf8853d27c59aaed30e498c3f8ed&

[nocturne sable]

@thin summit

[thin summit]

Thank you

Alright I think I got it

https://pokepast.es/7e5d9895e2c6edbf

[regal ginkgo]

New [Gen 9] OU RMT @north nimbus, @sage glacier, @unkempt bough, @empty verge. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[clever rover]

Helping hand in singles 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Ok in all seriousness sceptile is hot garbage

Garchomp and araq got very fringe usage, samu is viable but the rest are garbage

[runic nebula]

Shed tail is banned

[thin summit]

I see, thanks

As I said I’m new to competitive so any tips would be appreciated

[clever rover]

Be prepared to acknowledge the fact that your favorite mons might very much be unviable

[thin summit]

Oh I know

My favorite Mon is haxorus so I hope he’s at least semi viable

[little spindle]

Haxorus can be viable, but with niche usage and often will be deadweight

[thin summit]

I see

[rotund lodge]

I mean I'll help you test your team

[thin summit]

I can’t tonight but I might tomorrow

I’m more used to doubles than singles so this is an adjustment

[cold cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/b53b96ddc32ea916
considering defiant gambit to complete this sheist team

[clever rover]

They would know it’s defiant gambit if overlord doesn’t activate btw

[hot dome]

ok ddance pult aint it in ou

[cold cosmos]

exactly

they will never suspect it

[cold cosmos]

ok and

[hot dome]

ok well unfortunately we don't build around "it would be funny"

and if you aren't willing to listen to advice im not sure why you're here

[cold cosmos]

im not saying it would be funny

im saying it would be so unexpected that id be able to get up 1 or 2 ddance easily

[hot dome]

And then you hard blank into any Fairy/Steel anyways

It's not a good set, people have tried

[cold cosmos]

this is an issue

[clever rover]

We tried terablast ghost before but gf refused to give this thing poltergeist or even shadow clad

[cold cosmos]

i assume id have to run tera blast

[clever rover]

Then you are a Tera hog

[cold cosmos]

yeah

[hot dome]

Even then you're investing Tera for a mon that still gets suckered by Gambit

[cold cosmos]

i dont like that

[hot dome]

Like I said, this set sucks

[clever rover]

And this thing isn’t as strong of a Tera hog as volc

[cold cosmos]

this is why i decided to run will o wisp tbh

yes fairy and steels are issues

[hot dome]

And you still get suckered by gambit

[cold cosmos]

but spell tag phantm force?

[clever rover]

Then you fold into so much of the tier

[clever rover]

Two turn move

Self explanatory

[hot dome]

Look, if you aren't willing to change your team, you are free to do so, but do not come into this channel asking for advice

[clever rover]

Broski is at the stage of denial

[cold cosmos]

it uses it to decent success in ss, idk why it fell off

[hot dome]

If you come here you must be willing to change your team

[cold cosmos]

i am, i just don't get why dd pult is that bad

why does it work in nd and not here

[hot dome]

Ghostium Z nukes everything

The same does not exist here

[cold cosmos]

...

true

fine

if i change the pult set to will o wisp hex

how will the team look

[clever rover]

Defiant gambit

They will see it coming when it comes on the field

[hot dome]

boots zapdos

semi-solid team but you seem pretty weak to kyurem

[cold cosmos]

yeah

i assumed no one ran special sets anymore lol

[clever rover]

Kyurem terastallized into the ice type! Kyurem used blizzard!

[cold cosmos]

how do i make it not so weak into kyurem,

a better question
what really walls kyurem

[clever rover]

Kyurem used substitute! Kyurem used protect!

[clever rover]

If we exclude Tera types

Most bulky steels that are not weak to ground

Tera steel latios and stuff

[hot dome]

bulky ghold over zapdos is a possibility

[cold cosmos]

im not sure i like how ground weak it will be then

pult will just have to ddarts it

[hot dome]

Zamazenta over Zapdos is another option but then you're open to mixed val sets...

Really pick your poison over here

You're just going to need to rely on tera to bail you out

[cold cosmos]

so basically