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fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:06 PM

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like

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what turn mons want ot win the game

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dura, AV melo, slash, brux there all want the game to be over relatively soon

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:09 PM

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idk

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i just assume that fat balance can afford to use more turns

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im low ladder so

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cant really test vs high level teams rn

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:09 PM

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just generally

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:09 PM

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low ladder ive been doing fine

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:09 PM

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fat balance (nowadays) is sorta synonymous with bootsspam

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:10 PM

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i thought of that initially

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but i really wanted to use AV meloetta

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:10 PM

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esp in a format with so much spikes

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I mean AV melo isn't really a fat balance mon

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it walls a lot, but like, only during the short term

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:11 PM

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just waiting for sample teams to come up rn...

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so i can benchmark my team vs actually good ones

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:11 PM

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frankly they're still a fair bit off

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:11 PM

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damn

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:12 PM

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we're getting a huge tier shift on thursday

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:12 PM

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damn

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should i wait till then?

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:12 PM

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I mean keep playing the tier

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just like

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remember that you're trying to ensure all your team is going to win on the same turn

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:13 PM

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wdym

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:13 PM

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like just when building

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if you're trying to stall an opponent out its hard to justify mons that have like, serious longeivyt issues

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:14 PM

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hmm

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maybe ill try just converting it to a bulky offense team

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since it looks like my current team isn't suited for stalling

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:18 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nu-740604 honestly could just replicate kiyo's team from here

[Gen 9] NU: Kiyo vs. daniYSB - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Kiyo and daniYSB! Format: [Gen 9] NU; Date: Jan 21, 2024

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granted, tour play teams are very different from ladder based teams, so your mileage may vary

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and kiyo was trying to catch very specific trends

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:19 PM

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how do i copy a team from a replay?

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and whos kiyo?

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:19 PM

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longtime NU player; you just make your best guess on the sets based on what moves were shown by the end of the game

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:19 PM

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oh lol

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is that team fat balance?

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or bulky offense

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:20 PM

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its definitely balance

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"fat balance" is a bit of a weird term though

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:20 PM

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first glance it looks like its more on the bulkier side

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:20 PM

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that imo doesn't necessariily always apply

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 9:20 PM

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i see that term on alot of sample teams

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so i just use it

fiery tree Jan 30, 2024, 9:21 PM

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honestly I think it really applies most to gen8 metas

reef elbow Jan 30, 2024, 10:32 PM

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fiery tree https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nu-740604 honestly could just r...

https://pokepast.es/565bf2b92e12634f

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Behold, my Kiyo-inspired team

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Wait actually diancie tera should be grass

atomic hinge Feb 1, 2024, 5:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/cc830db67235fe61
Ive gone through so many iterations of this team all the way back around may last year but the idea was actually to build around the sableye originally. Would love suggestions

The original idea was have spikes + phase with coil dudun + sableye to deny setups and force switches for more spikes damage. Its this is the evolution through the heavy duty boots meta and adapted once we got rapid spinners. I really dont like the Cryog but i feel hes the only fit without reworking the whole team

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hearty fiber Feb 2, 2024, 11:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d08fb8749485fbf2
The team has quite nice synergy but I feel like Brute Bonnet doesn't really add much to it. Any suggestions who would complement the team better?

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mellow surge Feb 2, 2024, 12:09 PM

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hearty fiber https://pokepast.es/d08fb8749485fbf2 The team has quite nice synergy but I feel...

I think generally the Pokemon work together but the sets need optimizing

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the core of Exeggutor / Slowbro / Diancie / Glastrier is a good start

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Drifblim I think is just a waste of a teamslot

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I think you could do Bronzong > Drifblim, gives you Stealth Rock + a Trick Room setter + a Steel-type all in one slot

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https://pokepast.es/8f2f042de66a1125

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something like this I think could work @hearty fiber

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changed a few sets up to make them more standard, replaced Drifblim and Brute Bonnet with Bronzong and Golurk, respectively

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actually, I think I'd do Tera Fairy on Golurk

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or like, Dark

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one of those two seems a bit better defensively for the team

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Eggy-A I made into a purely OTR (offensive Trick Room) set because that's always been what it runs; it works better on this type of archetype than the slow Calm Mind booster you had because Trick Room just has such few turns to operate on

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you really want to maximize those turns as best as possible by hitting as hard as possible

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Slowbro I took off Thunder Wave and replaced it with Psychic, though you could try Surf as well for a different type of coverage

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T Wave just works against your team, though, because you risk giving opposing Pokemon enough of a speed drop to let them outrun your guys under TR

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Eject Button is kind of experimental but seems cool to help you pivot around a bit more safely into one of your wallbreakers

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Diancie I changed into an OTR set too with Meteor Beam; it resembles the Rock Polish + 3 attacks variant you see on standard hyper offense like this

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technically you could try having it be entirely supportive w/ Stealth Rock (and then swapping Bronzong)

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maybe Stealth Rock + Trick Room Diancie with an offensive Copperajah replacing Bronzong is a possible angle

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lastly, I made Glastrier Swords Dance > Curse and Boots > Wide Lens to boost its immediate offensive profile

hearty fiber Feb 2, 2024, 12:31 PM

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mellow surge something like this I think could work <@348770800813473794>

Thanks! Drifblim was mainly my spinblocker (golurk can do that now) and hazard remover. Hazards get stacked quite quickly while i'm setting up TR so i wonder if that's going to be a problem with this team.

mellow surge Feb 2, 2024, 12:33 PM

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the way I see it w/ trick room is it's typically not worth wasting your turns removing hazards

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you're just trying to win quickly

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so usually them going up isn't the end of the world

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tspikes are maybe the exception because often people will have Protect stalling built into those teams as well, so that can be doubly bad for TR

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but so long as you have an absorber, then it's no biggie

spice hemlock Feb 8, 2024, 3:02 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ece04d757e58a525
Made this team because Jolteon is one of my favorite mons. The main idea was to just back jolteon up with hazard stack and good physical walls as it's pretty good at forcing switches and often needs the chip damage to take things out and the strong physical walls protect it against the mostly physical mons that try to revenge kill it. Would appreciate any suggestions on how the team could be improved.

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mellow surge Feb 8, 2024, 11:34 PM

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spice hemlock https://pokepast.es/ece04d757e58a525 Made this team because Jolteon is one of my...

ice spinner > crash on lugg

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the team looks workable but I’m concerned with your matchup vs other bulk setup

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bulky setup*

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o also on lugg, you generally don’t need full physdef

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bit overkill tbh

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can do like, 252 hp / 16 def / 220 spdef / 20 spe impish

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iirc the speed gets you to 107

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if not just take some out of spdef

livid osprey Feb 12, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Tried a simple balance team with rest natural cure pawmot bc i thought it was funny https://pokepast.es/bbb285e2815087df

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zinc condor Feb 20, 2024, 5:04 PM

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livid osprey Tried a simple balance team with rest natural cure pawmot bc i thought it was fu...

It’s been a while and no one’s replied but I have a few notes:

I don’t find AV dragalge to be very optimal. You either want specs for the power or boots/leftovers with the utility of toxic spikes. I don’t think you need the additional breaking power from espeon on this build, I’d rather run some sort of wish support like sylveon. Here’s a similar build I used in a recent tournament match https://pokepast.es/fd222cf801dd7677

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livid osprey Feb 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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Interesting, ty for the help!

limber flicker Feb 28, 2024, 5:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5cf2246a6f9d8353

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fiery tree Feb 28, 2024, 5:03 PM

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team's very slow innit

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you should also probably make the slash a bit greedier by running rocks over super fang; a lot of the point of glig slash is just to sorta greed the hazard game and close the game that way

limber flicker Feb 28, 2024, 5:04 PM

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Interesting! I'll add rocks!

fiery tree Feb 28, 2024, 5:06 PM

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nu-748719

[Gen 9] NU: Kiyo vs. DugZaッ - Replays - Pokémon Showdown!

Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Kiyo and DugZaッ! Format: [Gen 9] NU; Date: Feb 19, 2024

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see teams like dugza's here

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for other examples of the style

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as kiyo has often complained, there are a lot of teams that are just "5 slow mons and an intel" which yeah

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its a bit of an inefficeint way to build, as it puts a ton of pressure on the intel to be the sole fast mon, but at the same time

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you need a mon as fast or faster than say lazzle on every non-stall

hearty fiber Feb 29, 2024, 11:05 PM

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hearty fiber https://pokepast.es/d08fb8749485fbf2 The team has quite nice synergy but I feel...

https://pokepast.es/8883ca77ce907f54 Lots of tweaking done since last post. Currently #31 on NU ladder (1521 Elo).

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fiery tree Feb 29, 2024, 11:05 PM

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wide lens crash is surely worse than loaded dice icicle spear right

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lack of rocks or hard momentum also seems inefficient

mellow surge Feb 29, 2024, 11:07 PM

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no eq on golurk is sinful

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I would drop stone edge in a heartbeat

hearty fiber Mar 1, 2024, 6:41 AM

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fiery tree wide lens crash is surely worse than loaded dice icicle spear right

It probably is. Hopefully Glastrier gets icicle spear sometime in the future.

hearty fiber Mar 1, 2024, 6:43 AM

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mellow surge I would drop stone edge in a heartbeat

I see where you're coming from but having played dozens of matches with the team I can honestly say it is not needed. There are sooo many flying and levitate mons in the tier that I feel like I would just get choice locked on to something I can't touch half the time.

hearty fiber Mar 1, 2024, 7:12 AM

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fiery tree lack of rocks or hard momentum also seems inefficient

I agree, rocks would be nice. I had it as the fourth move on Diancie for the longest time but more often than not I would just rather set up TR or do damage. What do you mean by "hard momentum"?

waxen saddle Mar 1, 2024, 8:56 PM

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how do you guys handle getting a literal entirely new metagame every month

fiery tree Mar 2, 2024, 12:43 AM

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Don't get attached to teams lol

mellow surge Mar 2, 2024, 9:26 PM

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waxen saddle how do you guys handle getting a literal entirely new metagame every month

be ready to build more and enjoy the tier for the community primarily

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I personally really enjoy these big tier shifts because you get so many new options to build with and test out

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:47 AM

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https://pokepast.es/67c590112bc92e43
I saw pokeaim make a video on gyarados and i figured i'd try to raise it to ru. this was a team i previously had (to little success) just with changes.
I just setup in their face

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fiery tree Mar 5, 2024, 3:48 AM

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honestly its stacking way too many types

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and like screens + relatively low tempo mons doesn't work

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:49 AM

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fiery tree and like screens + relatively low tempo mons doesn't work

yea ig. needs less flying and more tempo for sure

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thinking i drop kilowat

fiery tree Mar 5, 2024, 3:50 AM

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I mean

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its just

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a lot of balance stuff

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and then a dual screens grimm

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like grimm and gyara fit ont eh same team

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kilo doesn't fit regardless

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and then chans + gligar + talon is another team

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:52 AM

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fiery tree and then chans + gligar + talon is another team

tbh im bad at nu and dont know much. ive been flipping between modes (reached 1500 in gen7 ph lol)

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 3:53 AM

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yeah you have a mishmash of stall, HO, and balance. Which direciton would you like to take?

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:54 AM

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zinc condor yeah you have a mishmash of stall, HO, and balance. Which direciton would you li...

well preferrably anything with gyara

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so prob screens and setup sweep

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 3:54 AM

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ok, that would fit the definition of hyper offense

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:54 AM

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thinking klefki or galv maybe could fit

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 3:54 AM

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so you want to stack your team with setup sweepers, a hazard lead, and maybe a pivot

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:55 AM

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zinc condor so you want to stack your team with setup sweepers, a hazard lead, and maybe a p...

k cool ill look into it then

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 3:55 AM

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i can throw something together real quick to give you a starting point, one sec

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 3:56 AM

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do u suppose gallade could be good?

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 3:57 AM

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you could try life orb agility gallade, but he might be a little tough to pull off

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maybe this could work, I've not tested it

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https://pokepast.es/3a710fbe2fdbddce

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its not that common to run both sash lead and screens on same HO team but it could work

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:06 AM

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zinc condor https://pokepast.es/3a710fbe2fdbddce

Im thinking talonflame/fast electric to use willo/twave instead of either armarouge or drago just to support the idea of gyara

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maybe even sd

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:07 AM

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something with sash twave could be a nice catch for runaway sweepers

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:08 AM

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zinc condor something with sash twave could be a nice catch for runaway sweepers

true

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:08 AM

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armarouge goes crazy though

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:08 AM

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smth like prankster could also work

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:08 AM

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you could slap twave onto grimm

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:08 AM

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zinc condor you could slap twave onto grimm

true

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drop sucker?

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:09 AM

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ehh the priority attack is also pretty nice for stopping said sweepers

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:09 AM

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currently there isnt a ton of use for light screen

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:09 AM

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yeah phys sweepers are more common

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:10 AM

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and gyara has intimidate

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altho the team shuts down phys and is kinda weak to special

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:13 AM

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zinc condor https://pokepast.es/3a710fbe2fdbddce

i do have to ask why boots grimm

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:13 AM

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that was the default set, go sitrus actually

west bough Mar 5, 2024, 4:14 AM

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is it not better to run 248HP to get an odd number?

zinc condor Mar 5, 2024, 4:20 AM

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you can handle the minute details, it was just a rough build

kindred sorrel Mar 5, 2024, 3:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ebb7cec45e79b8c8
This is a rain team I built. I wanted to see if manual rain is worth it since there are quite a few powerful rain sweepers. Just wanted to know if there are any major weaknesses and what I should change.

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fiery tree Mar 5, 2024, 3:14 PM

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you probaly want to replace cloyster with a secondary rain setter

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atm if you have to sack klefki to get rain up, you just can't like, do it again

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don't have PS open, so can't necessarily search for a replacement, but I'm certain we have at least one mon that compresses SR and rain

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*and pivoting

mellow surge Mar 5, 2024, 3:15 PM

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yeah 1 rain setter is too little imo

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though I think you can get away without rocks

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I'd do grafaiai last

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Ability: Prankster  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Rain Dance  
- Knock Off  
- Taunt  
- Parting Shot```

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something like this

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wouldn't bother w/ hurricane on kingdra idt

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prob just hpump / draco / dragon pulse / flip turn

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or surf > hpump

kindred sorrel Mar 5, 2024, 3:19 PM

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thanks for the advice!

mellow surge Mar 5, 2024, 3:19 PM

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np

west bough Mar 11, 2024, 7:57 PM

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its so annoying that suicune was banned cus i was rocking this team https://pokepast.es/131d79bae6984d94
which was surprisingly good (hitmontop can be different, i prefer talonflame)
anything i can do to make it usable?

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lilac stone Mar 14, 2024, 2:33 PM

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how tf is reuniclus still in nu

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ts is so easy to win with

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acid armor + cm instant win

mellow surge Mar 14, 2024, 4:25 PM

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it's not really that good

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double dance loses to the myriad of Dark-types we have (and really inconveniently, both Overqwil and Alolan Muk commonly run Haze)

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otherwise, its best set is Calm Mind / Psyshock / Focus Blast / Recover, and at least in my experience, the nerf to Recover really hurt its trading capabilities against its switch-ins

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Pokemon like Registeel, Copperajah, Bronzong, and Alolan Muk have a much easier time nowadays sitting in front of it and at least forcing it to run out of PP

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also rn, you've got a lot of competition from more dynamic Psychic-type setup sweepers such as Necrozma and Mew

digital raven Mar 15, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Gen 9 NU: https://pokepast.es/35e865ca22a7de10

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fiery tree Mar 15, 2024, 8:08 PM

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ngl

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this is very outdated

west bough Mar 19, 2024, 6:00 PM

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this team is hype
replay: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nu-2084562097
team: https://pokepast.es/1db67c25ebb4934c
speed is on point, changed quag to tera grass

[Gen 9] NU: Distortedice vs. ShadowzLmao2 - Replays - Pokémon Showd...

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mellow surge Mar 20, 2024, 12:23 AM

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west bough this team is hype replay: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nu-2084562097 t...

team is generally fine wrt the members

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but the espeon feels kinda random

west bough Mar 20, 2024, 12:23 AM

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mellow surge but the espeon feels kinda random

yea ur right. i like that it can 1v1 galv and keep spikes off but defog works wonders

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i tried running pawmot on it but havent had enough games to judge if its good

mellow surge Mar 20, 2024, 12:24 AM

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i wouldnt run pawmot on stall tbh

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doesnt do anything for the teamstyle

west bough Mar 20, 2024, 12:25 AM

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who do u suppose fits? reuniclus? with reuni, knock off is a big threat and its not like ru with amoonguss

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i also tried wish disable scream tail but it felt bad to use

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mienshao isnt bulky enough, incin relies too heavily on wish support to survive plus 2 fire types isnt great/too much fighting weak. hitmontop/tsareena is a good spinner but isnt bulky enough. exegg is niche and avalugg/rhyperior has bad typing. swampert lacks viable recovery

mellow surge Mar 20, 2024, 12:30 AM

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you could try vileplume

steel vault Mar 28, 2024, 3:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/18a90fc694f5666f
Got a stall teams for rate. Quag set was adapted to better deal with stored power mons. Thought I’d rather keep chip off my mons than perish cheese for altaria.

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mellow surge Mar 28, 2024, 3:16 PM

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steel vault https://pokepast.es/18a90fc694f5666f Got a stall teams for rate. Quag set was ad...

quag should just be liquidation here

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stronger move = better ya feel

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i think i'd do perishtrap alt tho anyway

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imo that's its best role for stall

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or haze at least

steel vault Mar 28, 2024, 3:19 PM

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mellow surge quag should just be liquidation here

Isn’t waterfall better for pp stall?

mellow surge Mar 28, 2024, 3:22 PM

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waterfall would mean you might flinch something

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and give them a free turn

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if it has more pp than liquidation tho it may be better

steel vault Mar 28, 2024, 3:32 PM

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16 on liquid, 24 on waterfall

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Also quag ain’t fast enough to flinch nobody

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Oh also the defense drops don’t help cause of unaware

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 5:56 PM

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can i post old gen nu here?

mellow surge Apr 1, 2024, 8:18 PM

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fast zealot can i post old gen nu here?

yes

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 8:47 PM

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I made this team but i noticed that samurott can really damage this team. Does anyone have any reccomendations on what to change/remove https://pokepast.es/e0b1e9adb5c9e034

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samurott can really hurt slowking with megahorn/grass knot and i dont have a switch in

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 8:58 PM

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honestly its not worth explicitly trying to counter samu cause its not a super common mon

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that said I would make your king toxic instead of cm

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:27 PM

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my friend uses it all the time in battle

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they only play gen 7 nu and I barely play it

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:37 PM

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ah, gotcha

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in that acs

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:37 PM

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my sister also use samurott

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its my opp

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:38 PM

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strictly speaking the team can handle samu fairly well

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not amazingly but you ahve whims to rkil

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and you can technically pivot around it with pass

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practically speaking you coudl just

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:38 PM

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so i just have to make correct predicitions?

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:38 PM

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seis over lix and then make king a fat poison

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ye

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:39 PM

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garborder?

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:39 PM

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or weezing

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prolly garb given the team's structure

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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what would you reccomend me I new to this tier so ill take any advice i can get

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oh

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ty

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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honestly

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it may be worth trying out a like

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seis/poison/toge style

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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toge?

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togedamaru?

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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as that kinda team is currently getting the most use in higher level player

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ye

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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who would i replace?

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:40 PM

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eh, it would basically be an entirely new team

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https://pokepast.es/eb7cf0f9ac59579b

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granted I have this from my builder

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which admittely isn't a poison team

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but its also relatively similar to the team ya posted above

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but like

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the team you posted can deal with samu

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it just requires good positioning

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:41 PM

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ok

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:41 PM

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cause well, samu is a very threatening mon offensivley

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:42 PM

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i just have to hink a bit before i make a move?

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:42 PM

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seis over lix, and then garb over slowking would "fix" the samu problem

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:42 PM

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think*

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these mons? https://pokepast.es/ef3d69eed1f671d8

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:43 PM

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ye

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my gut says

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:43 PM

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oh ok ty

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:43 PM

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it should work

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:43 PM

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a little off topic but is there a way to catch a ha seismitoad in usum? or obtain it with wifi shutting down?

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since the 3ds thing

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happens this month

fiery tree Apr 1, 2024, 9:44 PM

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I confess I have zero idea

fast zealot Apr 1, 2024, 9:44 PM

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oh

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well ty for your time i appreciate you

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local battles still work btw if you ever wanna try it out

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wifi idk about

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can i ask one last questions if it's ok with you

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Would this team perform well against other people if I challenged another player not using samurott?

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:01 AM

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hi

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:22 AM

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sorry late

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don't have this channel on my "watch frequently" list

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its a fairly standard team

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so it should have broadly good matchups into most htings

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:22 AM

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dw

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does passimian destroy this

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tho with eq

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and it can knock off my rotom

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https://pokepast.es/30c64f0abf07d628

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:39 AM

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you have garb to help a lot

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and don't disrespect seis's natural bulk

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:41 AM

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wym?

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im not disrespecting him tho

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i just don't use pkmn like it since i play ither tier like ou

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where toad isnt used commonly

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unless their team is absolutely weak to water

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:50 AM

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oh sorry

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seis can sponge a hit from

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basically any non-grass once or twice

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eq pass isn't very common

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cause it only hits garb

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and weezing is also common

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so you'd rather just structure your team around u-turning and punishing the poisons that way

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:51 AM

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oh ok ty

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so its good the way it i

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s

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:51 AM

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generaelly you don't need hard counters to everything

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:51 AM

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ty quziel

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:51 AM

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but rather just enough space to play around htem with checks

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:52 AM

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aren't you the guy i spoke to in the nu room

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about my other team?

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on showdonw

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:53 AM

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yes

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:54 AM

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252 Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Seismitoad: 166-196 (40 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

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ye it can tank very good

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i uderestimated

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should i just go garb tho

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if it uses cc

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:54 AM

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ultimately your choice of switch is gonna depend on their team

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and what you think its gonna click

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vs pass you probably are going to prioritize getting hazards up

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just cause u-turn spam can wear you down

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:55 AM

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oh yeah

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252 Atk Passimian Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Garbodor: 109-129 (29.9 - 35.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery

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should i remove speed for def

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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eh, you have rotom

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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or keep idk why it has speed anywat

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since its defensive

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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I think its to outrun er

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max speed bse 50s?

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I forget exactly

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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oh

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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just remember htat like

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you just need to win before pass can

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:56 AM

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oh ok

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focus on hazards mainly?

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:57 AM

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well

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also keep in mind that pass is often their incin switchin

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:57 AM

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can i bait with incin?

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:57 AM

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you can just blitz or knock

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and that's damage

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:57 AM

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they outspeed

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idk if they would directly switch in

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since its risky for

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pass

fiery tree Apr 2, 2024, 12:58 AM

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folks often do

fast zealot Apr 2, 2024, 12:58 AM

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oh

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ok well ty then!

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ill test it out

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i just gotta figure out how to get eis

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with hidden ab

hollow ibex Apr 3, 2024, 8:38 AM

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What's a good bulky offense to run

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 3:51 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ebc25ef4f4a07a59 made this team because i got interested in the tera dark tauros after playing against it at around 1500. don't usually build my own teams for the tier but i can tell something just feels wrong using it but not 100% sure what it is.

looking for any recommendations or advice about what to change with it

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mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 1:52 PM

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snow river https://pokepast.es/ebc25ef4f4a07a59 made this team because i got interested in ...

icl it's really hard for me to rate this because Tauros is SUPER bad nowadays D:

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but I don't want to tell you to remove it from the team because that defeats the entire purpose of the team

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I think my recommendation here is mostly about your wallbreaking support for Tauros

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if you think about how you want to set up a sweep for it, you need to make sure you adequately target what threatens to check it late-game

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Pokemon like Noivern, Vileplume, Venusaur, Avalugg, etc

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I am a big fan of U-turn Tsareena alongside Choice Specs Chandelure, but I'm thinking you might be better off doing Triple Axel > U-turn on Tsareena and then changing Chandelure out

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Triple Axel Tsareena was a fantastic partner in our previous metagame for Tauros, and it still carries the same benefits into this metagame synergy-wise

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 2:23 PM

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mellow surge I am a big fan of U-turn Tsareena alongside Choice Specs Chandelure, but I'm thi...

what would you change the chand for?

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i had magnezone over chand for a bit and liked that but there’s something with the last 3 mons that feels wrong that i’m not sure what it is

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maybe flygon over krook if i’m taking uturn of tsareena?

mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 2:26 PM

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hm

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Flygon was something I considered recommending just so you have a designated Choice-locked Earthquake exploiter

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imo you almost always want SOMETHING immune to Ground on teams

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issue there is you lose your Ghost and Dark resistance

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well, ig you have Diancie and Tauros lol

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maybe you can make that sacrifice and feel fine

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 2:27 PM

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i can definitely tell the issues with tauros now just from trying to build this lol

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but i almost got smoked by this set because of the tera dark so i wanted to try it out myself

mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 2:29 PM

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yeeeeah the issue for Tauros in this meta is its checks are far harder to beat down now and there are a lot more

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Slowbro obviously is the biggest issue

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but you've got Vileplume still being relevant, Noivern and Venusaur are new to the tier

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and competition added that is simply better

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ie Mienshao, Feraligatr

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 2:29 PM

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yeah that’s what i went with chand for was it seemed good for the things that check it

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it felt like it was that or mag

mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 2:30 PM

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I think we can justify the Chandelure staying if Tsareena is Triple Axel

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on second thought

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because it is still good to keep something around that actively beats Pokemon like Slowbro and Vileplume, whereas while Tsareena is good at pressuring them, it doesn't always beat them outright

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Magnezone is a good option to consider more too, though

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 2:32 PM

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i might make a copy with zone and see which one i like more

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i’m at a point where in any tier i play i can usually get pretty high on ladder but i have to take teams and can’t make my own lol

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i’ve just been using that scarf legion team you used and got to around 1500s with it

mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 2:33 PM

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nice

snow river Apr 5, 2024, 2:34 PM

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alright thanks for the team help i’ll try out the changes

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big fan of your stuff too btw it’s what got me into this tier

mellow surge Apr 5, 2024, 2:36 PM

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appreciate that fam ^^

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:48 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bd84daacf300414b
Any significant changes I can do to make this webs offense team better? Only restriction is deci stays but I'm open to changing the set if it's needed

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narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:49 PM

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static birch https://pokepast.es/bd84daacf300414b Any significant changes I can do to make th...

Who’s pounce galvantula for

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Just to slow their lead down, and also for if they decide to switch espeon in I kill them next turn with buzz

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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And espeon is espeon in nu I fear that Mon faces vast competition with mew because mew is like the tiers best psychic along side things like munk but at least for webs ik mew can run literally anything if anything that’s one of

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Iirc pince is the dex set

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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The most enjoyable mons in the tier

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Imo it's fairly outdated

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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In reality

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Espeon has gone hard but I gotta admit I've thought about mew

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Bug buzz letting you keep hazards up more reliably into bramble is worth a lot

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Twave seems like better utility

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Paralyzing like noivern

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Oh true

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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Or some random fast user like scarf munk too (huge threat to webs too)

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:51 PM

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I need that

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I got my shit wrecked by scarf munk

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I had scarf krook but I figured not to run three choice locked mons

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So mew over espeon. Any specific set? You said it could run anything but what would be your go to set for a team like this

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:54 PM

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I’m not In front of my builder atm - I would also consider a lycanroc too he kinda goes crazy with priority I think having. The decid works because in reality espeon (mew if you change this) doesn’t want to swap into fighting’s that often so it’s like a middle ground

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With the toy ping

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Typing *

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You can never go wrong with special mew

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Plot psychic move, and

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:54 PM

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Lycanroc over what though
I've tried it but never been very impressed by it

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:54 PM

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I think I had meteor beam + lycan as a rock spam but

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Tbh you don’t need the rock coverage

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You can just run like fire / ground coverage to hit like

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Zone and friends

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Then whatever u need , it also gets focus/dazzle for darks iirc

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That’s fair I haven’t tested feraligatr did you grab this set from the meta discussion

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:56 PM

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Is plot/psyshock/gleam/earth power cooking or is there a better set

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:57 PM

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narrow night That’s fair I haven’t tested feraligatr did you grab this set from the meta disc...

Nah from pokeaim lol

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Lol Ic

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:57 PM

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It's actually stupid strong but I might give it more speed

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Oh it’s a new drop and ya u are running webs , was aim running

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Webs with this set?

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:57 PM

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There was a reason I did 40 specifically but I don't remember what

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:58 PM

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I was using cloyster originally tbh

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:58 PM

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I think he was

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 8:58 PM

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Mixed hydro

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I

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Ic I’ll check it out and I can follow back up with you after I cook

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Rabia / quz may also comment before me so keep an eye out

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CC: @mellow surge @fiery tree

static birch Apr 6, 2024, 8:58 PM

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I took gatr webs inspiration from aim but this is largely my take on a webs team, since aside from spider and gater the teams don't share many similarities

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Honestly I've not been having great success with webs recently

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Honestly

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It’s just like

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Style is so common all of ladder hard preps for ir

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 9:00 PM

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Cheese

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The metagame kinda adapts but

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I think as the meta adapts

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Then go has to adapt

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Then back and forth

fiery tree Apr 6, 2024, 9:00 PM

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I mean

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You see a fair few rock blast lycans

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For a reason

narrow night Apr 6, 2024, 9:01 PM

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I’m not using that in nupl gg

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Copium for webs

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Ngl

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UNLESS ITS CB

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@mellow surge CB LYCANROC COLLAB RN

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But true galvantula is just one of those mons that works or don’t in games

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But the play style isn’t ignorable

static birch Apr 9, 2024, 1:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b09f99b943c7bcbf
So this is the updated lineup. I haven't had a chance to use mew much, but I have been winning games so whatever I'm doing is working

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mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:15 AM

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static birch https://pokepast.es/b09f99b943c7bcbf So this is the updated lineup. I haven't ha...

Ability: Sheer Force  
Tera Type: Dark  
EVs: 224 HP / 252 Atk / 32 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Swords Dance  
- Liquidation  
- Crunch  
- Aqua Jet```

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I like this gatr ev spread for webs more

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lets you outrun modest diancie

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tons of hp is good on gatr

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you can do mystic water > lum if you want

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:16 AM

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I've tried SD but genuinely think dd is better

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:16 AM

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on webs SD is a lot better

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:16 AM

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At least from my experience

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:16 AM

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imo

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and in general I rate SD more highly but

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webs specifically it's a huge gap

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also this is a more niche suggestion but pounce > twave on galv

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speed dropping is shockingly useful for it

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:17 AM

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Oh I had pounce but was told to drop it for twave lol

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:17 AM

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BY WHO

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give me their name.

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pounce is far cooler AND is still a good move

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:18 AM

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Roxie and quizel

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:18 AM

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but fr getting to speed drop like, thundy for example

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is very nice

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:18 AM

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Literally scroll up bro you can fight with them about that

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:18 AM

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OH i see way up there

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@narrow night @fiery tree y'all are wack

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:19 AM

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Point is gatr is staying dd. I'm not saying SD isn't good but I've gotten a lot more wins out of dd than I did with sd

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:19 AM

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u can keep dd if u want

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but i would recommend giving sd more of a chance

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can you clarify the nape set for me

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:20 AM

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I have enough speed to outrun lycanroc at +1 and put the rest into bulk. It's fantastic

narrow night Apr 10, 2024, 12:20 AM

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mellow surge <@432432437021376512> <@1126177849737486489> y'all are wack

BRUHH

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:20 AM

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Infernape is a generic special attacker but instead of Nasty Plot I put Taunt in. It was a bit more of a random choice but it's worked decently

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:21 AM

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ic

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grass knot > scorching sands is prob worth trying some

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:21 AM

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I figured Sands over Knot so I'm not screwed against chandelure

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:21 AM

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imo you're fine against chandy with this squad

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but yea that's fair logic

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:21 AM

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What do I need Knot for though that I don't just smack with Leaf Blade

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I guess muds?

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:22 AM

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well remember that w/ offense you want the breakers to synergize with the sweepers

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and if nape can lure in stuff gatr wants gone

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ie quag/bro

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then that's a W

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Yeah that's sound logic I'll give Knot a retry

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mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 12:23 AM

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W

fiery tree Apr 10, 2024, 12:27 AM

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For the recordi

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:27 AM

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Is mew fine or should I try fire blast over earth power?

fiery tree Apr 10, 2024, 12:28 AM

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I said drop pounce for bug buzz

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Ain't gonna be walled by brambler

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 12:28 AM

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? Did I not have buzz from the beginning?

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 1:03 AM

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static birch Is mew fine or should I try fire blast over earth power?

mew is fine but i prefer life orb with draining kiss

static birch Apr 10, 2024, 1:10 AM

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Draining kiss over alluring and keep the rest the same?

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Honestly would you hate focus miss over taunt on infernape or should I just keep it as it is (with the grass knot over sands of course)

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 11:57 PM

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static birch Honestly would you hate focus miss over taunt on infernape or should I just keep...

i mean frankly i'd drop taunt entirely

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idt infernape gains a ton of use from it on this type of build

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you want to maximize its breaking potential

mellow surge Apr 10, 2024, 11:57 PM

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static birch Draining kiss over alluring and keep the rest the same?

yes

astral ruin Apr 20, 2024, 3:56 PM

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First Nu team In general. I have a little experience in this tier from youtube videos but that's about it. Anything that needs to be changed?

https://pokepast.es/f5d86f315cd218ae

brisk turtle Apr 22, 2024, 1:20 AM

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first team at all ever https://pokepast.es/fc3b141c3652a5f8

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fiery tree Apr 22, 2024, 2:25 AM

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You got a tempo mismatch

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Can't mix HO stuff.like smeargle and tort with balance stuff like alt and florges

strange ibex May 6, 2024, 2:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c40b26b61e455215

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void elk May 12, 2024, 6:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/26c49263530931a5

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mellow surge May 12, 2024, 6:14 PM

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void elk https://pokepast.es/26c49263530931a5

usually if you wanna do a utility flygon set like that

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you're better off w/ max hp dtail > dclaw

void elk May 12, 2024, 6:14 PM

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Yeah he has been dying a lot

mellow surge May 12, 2024, 6:15 PM

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team looks generally fine but i can see it getting heavily pressured by the special attackers of the tier

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ie zone/dragalge

void elk May 12, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Anything I can do to rectify that?

void elk May 12, 2024, 7:22 PM

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I was having some trouble with a guy with a noivern as well

mellow surge May 12, 2024, 8:17 PM

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void elk I was having some trouble with a guy with a noivern as well

can do tera steel on muk to help a bit

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or make it av

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av tho will get overwhelmed more quickly if hazards stay up and you cant get good recovery turns

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maybe do tera fairy on chandy so it cant draco you as easily

void elk May 12, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Having my only special wall have no recovery seems iffy

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I think I'll do steel muk

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Ty

bright basin May 19, 2024, 7:51 PM

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thoughts https://pokepast.es/15f4657a8eb4ddb3?

fiery tree May 20, 2024, 6:44 PM

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the food is burnt my man

alpine whale May 20, 2024, 8:40 PM

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no comment

bright basin May 20, 2024, 11:15 PM

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Naurrr surely theres something there to say

alpine whale May 20, 2024, 11:29 PM

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this is a unviable gimmick surrounded with 4 more cheese sets

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the first two mons alone are unviable sets but this Drifblim set isn't going to accomplish much either

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the Krookodile set is cute but realistically you should just use the Bulk Up Scale Shot set

strange ibex May 21, 2024, 10:05 PM

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bright basin thoughts https://pokepast.es/15f4657a8eb4ddb3?

imma be real

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Delphox @ Throat Spray
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Mild Nature

Flame Charge
Psychic Noise
Grass Knot
Fire Blast

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your better off running this lmfao

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its ass

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still

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lol

void elk May 26, 2024, 7:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c8cd06aa28b889c2

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alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:52 PM

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oh this looks rlly good

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:52 PM

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a cb krook enjoyer

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:52 PM

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will come back to this in a sec, only thing I'd really recommend from a cursory glance is putting some speed creep on your plume and diancie

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:52 PM

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Not a huge fan of mienshao in this meta but cb brook is fire

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:52 PM

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can I ask what the speed on Noivern is for?

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:53 PM

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regular lycanroc

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and ig whatever other 112s there are

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:53 PM

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oh..

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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@void elk i think you're best off just going max spe timid on noiv, personally i've not felt it important to drop speed and you usually want the mirror matchup to be as good as it can be

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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ig thundy is a nice benchmark

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bulk on noiv is rlly nice for sun and rain

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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that's prob the best thing you can target for yea

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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just never considered it to be honest

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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same

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usually i think just the hp is needed for weather

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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lowkey stealing that

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well

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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spdef if anything i think would help

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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basculegion ohko's it

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💀

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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yea well

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that's the legion diff.

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:54 PM

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cheater ass mon

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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i fucking love basculegion

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funny guy

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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same

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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does funny damage

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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anyway I truthfully have no meaningful criticism of this team

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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Is the invest for anything in specific or just for funsies

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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oh the criticism i have at glance

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diancie nature should be uhhh

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careful

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cuz you're not moonblast

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:55 PM

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yea sassy looked funky to me but i forgor

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:56 PM

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alpine whale anyway I truthfully have no meaningful criticism of this team

but yea im stealing this it looks fire

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:56 PM

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yea i lowkey might steal this for a vid

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:J

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:56 PM

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i can see setup spam becoming overwhelming bc no priority, maybe cb flygon > krook

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but that's just nitpicking at best

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oh NP mew also 6-0's but idk what beats that anyway

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Scarf shao seems fire for that yea depending on what ur vs

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MEW

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our trauma

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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could do shadow ball reuni ig?

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instead of energy ball

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Mew lowkey beats everything highkey underrated

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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shadow ball also loses

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u proc weakness policy

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then lose

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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yea weakness policy is a bit unfair

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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But we don’t mention the better Mew , Me-

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:57 PM

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was thinking life orb

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:58 PM

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mayhaps

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but then sun MU is dire

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sounds like two elements that should be removed from the tier hmm

narrow night May 26, 2024, 7:58 PM

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Does reun best Tera steel venu

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:58 PM

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what's that? you want a mienshao ban instead?

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:58 PM

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:c

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cb flygon with tera steel is a nice copium answer to mew tho

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:58 PM

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there might be movement on sun action

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:59 PM

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splendid

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rain next please

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 7:59 PM

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both kiyo and i have agreed on [redacted] being something we'd agree with

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i wanna see more people try tera drag umbreon/vapo/gastro but

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i am not hopeful in that actually limiting rain

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 7:59 PM

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well its moreso that those are kinda shit into literally anything else

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:00 PM

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tera dragon umbreon is ok into sun

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🙂

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but yea it's rough to find good overlap

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:02 PM

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Besides going max speed on noiv was there anything else?

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:02 PM

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nothing notable rly

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this is solid

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oh the diancie nature

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careful > sassy

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Ig I'm just bad then bc I keep losing

fiery tree May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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I'd wonder if tera grass makes sense on dia here

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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what was giving you issues

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?

fiery tree May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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just cause switching into opposing offensive grounds could be an issue

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Nothing in particular, just getting outplayed

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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ah

fiery tree May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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and denying a weaknes could help

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:03 PM

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in that case then just keep playing

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you'll learn how to pilot the team into its matchups and that should net you more wins

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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there's also a tutor program :D

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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I signed up for that

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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oh when

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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Friday

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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I just opened up my availability for one

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cool

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maybe I'll see u soon

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:04 PM

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stories are you watching mada v diamonds

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this is a heinous stall angle

void elk May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Gtg tho bye guys

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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enjoy your day wes

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keep up the grind

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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just tuned in now that u said that

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p cool team

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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idk how the quag is dead

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i looked away for a few turns and now diamonds looks like he's in a rly good spot

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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mellow surge idk how the quag is dead

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i think i have an idea

mellow surge May 26, 2024, 8:05 PM

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ah.

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quag the torn check

alpine whale May 26, 2024, 8:10 PM

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well

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6-0'd

void elk May 27, 2024, 1:04 AM

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mellow surge what was giving you issues

There was one thing but I think it's more down to me not knowing what to do
How do I play against webs? What do I lead and what do I do the first few turns

alpine whale May 27, 2024, 1:16 AM

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can probably try to get diamond storm boosts / get rocks up

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with diancie

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vs galvantula lead

void elk May 27, 2024, 1:39 AM

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And then just focus on getting noiv in

alpine whale May 27, 2024, 1:42 AM

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well don't defog vs something that wins if given a free turn

void elk May 27, 2024, 1:53 AM

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Yeah
What do I do versus cloy? Make sure to keep rocks up?

void elk May 27, 2024, 2:07 AM

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mellow surge yea i lowkey might steal this for a vid

If you do can you credit me?

alpine whale May 27, 2024, 7:33 AM

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Tera with plume and pray

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Cb flygon can also pick it off with first impression

hollow mango Jun 5, 2024, 3:03 AM

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https://pokepast.es/32529b4b25f5efff

thick reefBOT Jun 5, 2024, 3:03 AM

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alpine whale Jun 5, 2024, 3:03 AM

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please check the VR first, Flamingo and Mudsdale are not viable

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is there anything on this team you really want to salvage before I rip into it @hollow mango

hollow mango Jun 5, 2024, 3:06 AM

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yeah i know both flamigo and mudsdale are pu

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but they give good results

alpine whale Jun 5, 2024, 3:06 AM

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well Pokemon in lower tiers can be viable, but those two are wholly outclassed in their roles

narrow night Jun 5, 2024, 4:28 AM

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Mudsdale is not a component / abuser of sticky webs and it’s outclsssed by Flygon and Krookodile on this archetype
Ceititan has no Abomasnow so the entire point of running Ice + Belly Drum + slush Rush is denied value
a lot of pokemon have suboptimal ev spreads such as “2-4 IVs”, to help with more competitive spreads and understanding them , smogon has a section called C&C where analyses are uploaded to the dex. From there there are importable sets from more of the longer standing community members.
Flamingo is usually a Scarfer and if you have to run LO then I think you’re better off using something else
We need to work on understand the value of sets and comparing sets to meta sets. Usually when you deviate from the standard compositions you have to analyze a reason on “why” something may work and if you are getting less value out of something throughout your games

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https://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/intro_comp_pokemon

Introduction To Competitive Pokemon - Smogon University

An introduction to the world of competitive Pokemon.

hollow mango Jun 5, 2024, 7:07 PM

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the cetitan isnt a belly drum slush rush

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is sheer force

alpine whale Jun 5, 2024, 7:36 PM

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yes that is the denied value

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You just have multiple Pokemon on here that are bad at their job

fiery tree Jun 6, 2024, 12:42 AM

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to explain a bit more on that point

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speed or well, priority damage are way more important on a drum on than raw power

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once you get +6 you frankly KO essentially everything slower

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so even more power is just a questionable thing, do you really need it?

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oh, its AV here

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rocks weak AV bad

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espeon is simply not good enough to keep rocks off reliably

muted crystal Jun 15, 2024, 7:08 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1e62e759e440bf6e

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muted crystal Jun 15, 2024, 7:08 PM

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Hows this bo team

narrow night Jun 15, 2024, 7:09 PM

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WHO DARES TAG ME

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gm

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I feel like a comp like this begs for a hazard control

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Usually when you try to fulfill all these roles into one team you probably never end up with x2 fighting types so that probably a good direction

muted crystal Jun 15, 2024, 7:15 PM

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Wdym

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Replace luc for hazard control

alpine whale Jun 15, 2024, 7:17 PM

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Lucario is a bit out of place on a team like this, you also lack a Ground immunity so something like Defog Noivern would be perfect in its place imo

muted crystal Jun 15, 2024, 7:22 PM

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Thank you pweading

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https://pokepast.es/edea8c95565273fc

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Smth like this?

alpine whale Jun 17, 2024, 8:03 PM

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muted crystal Smth like this?

yes this looks much better. be wary of toxic spikes though

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stuff like vileplume kinda owns you

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 9:28 PM

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What would you recommend

alpine whale Jun 17, 2024, 9:30 PM

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muted crystal What would you recommend

can use scarf munkidori > mienshao and gallade > porygon z idk

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 9:36 PM

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Why gallade over z?

alpine whale Jun 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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you don't want to stack special breakers

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gallade would let you break cm pokemon and general special walls

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Fair enough

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This

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https://pokepast.es/d163e3b1885c2b2f

thick reefBOT Jun 17, 2024, 9:40 PM

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alpine whale Jun 17, 2024, 9:41 PM

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looks fine

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perhaps 3 psychic-types isn't ideal though

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gallade could maybe be a different physical breaker?

fiery tree Jun 17, 2024, 9:42 PM

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team's gonna struggle into krook innit?

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not that you need an explicit switching

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but rather just reducing hte number of mons weak to it could hel[

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could the gallade be like SD LO Mien?

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 9:50 PM

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Inferape mabey

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https://pokepast.es/create

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 9:59 PM

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fiery tree could the gallade be like SD LO Mien?

So this?

fiery tree Jun 17, 2024, 9:59 PM

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honestly I was sorta raising that as a rhetorical question, not insanely up to date with current SV just cause I've had to focus purely on old gens NU

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that's also an invalid paste

muted crystal Jun 17, 2024, 10:08 PM

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😭

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https://pokepast.es/d77b7a270cd520b2

alpine whale Jun 17, 2024, 10:22 PM

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looks fine

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maybe colbur bro for the krook MU

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:15 PM

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https://pokepast.es/10e6a0c6b33fd4d7

thick reefBOT Jul 3, 2024, 10:15 PM

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alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:16 PM

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what is this team trying to accomplish?

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the pokemon don't feel very cohesive here

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:18 PM

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I just wanted to build around sylv

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:19 PM

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ah ok that works best on VoltTurn style teams

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this doesn't feel like it has much of a backbone despite the Deo-D and Tentacruel

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:20 PM

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I thought that'd be enough

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:20 PM

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well what's your Knock Off switchin

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for instance

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I feel like any physical breaker just wins here

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:21 PM

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True

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:21 PM

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I don't think Deoxys is actually a good defensive piece

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it's just good support / cheese

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like Knock / Spikes or the Cosmic Power stuff

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:22 PM

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How many mons would I have to change to make this work, bc if it's 3 or more ig I'll just start over

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:22 PM

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I think Mienshao is a perfect kind of Pokemon for this

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I'm not entirely sold on the viability on tentacruel as a whole, maybe you'd want Talonflame > Oricorio for hazard removal then replace Tenta with Dragalge?

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Okay

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:24 PM

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you could also use Teleport on Deoxys to get Sylveon in more reliably

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this Flygon set is really only good on HO

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I'd just make it choiced or maybe replace it with Swampert as your ground / rocker

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/33229c1d7aa938c2
How's this?

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:32 PM

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this looks much better already

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:33 PM

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Ghost deo isn't necessary anymore

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:33 PM

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could run haze on dragalge for deoxys / cress

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:33 PM

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Over what? Toxic?

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:33 PM

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mhm

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the 5 pivoting mons is funny lol

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does deoxys get future sight? idr

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:34 PM

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I think?

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Yes

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:35 PM

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that seems pretty neat then

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:35 PM

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Since I'm running defog as removal I don't need spikes, gonna replace that with fsight

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:35 PM

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kk

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Also what tera on deo?

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Dark?

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To resist dark and ghost

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:38 PM

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poison or fairy is probably best ngl

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to resist uturn

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Tera on dark type just to knock seems like something you probably won’t be doing ghost still spin blocks tsareena

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:39 PM

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true

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Fairy poison are cute something defensive yeah

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:39 PM

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Gonna go poison then

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https://pokepast.es/27b51c3622bd7223
Here's what I got

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:42 PM

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Sludge dragalge

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Over lefties

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Wait hm knock off seemed broken on deo

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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narrow night Over lefties

But what about when it teras?

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Oh I’m bad true

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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I can drop psy noise for knock

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Is reuni still here

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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yea future sight knock seems better

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:44 PM

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I'm barely clicking psy noise I'm just teleporting

narrow night Jul 3, 2024, 10:45 PM

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Ah good

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Yeah

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It’s like ss ou future sight Slowbro / king

void elk Jul 3, 2024, 10:46 PM

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Okay well if there isn't anything then ty :3

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:48 PM

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I like this more yeah

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lmk how it goes :>

fiery tree Jul 3, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Idr like fs on deo

alpine whale Jul 3, 2024, 10:49 PM

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i think it's nice with mienshao

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lets you 2hko talon with cc and other dumb stuff

digital raven Jul 14, 2024, 6:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c32e0a5797a30f70

thick reefBOT Jul 14, 2024, 6:01 AM

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digital raven Jul 14, 2024, 6:02 AM

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digital raven https://pokepast.es/c32e0a5797a30f70

is my team good? it lacks hazard control which does suck but i dont want to replace breloom or porygon-z because they both hit like a truck

alpine whale Jul 14, 2024, 6:02 AM

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looks like a solid HO, maybe want a volt immune like DD Flygon

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Deoxys feels out of place here too, could at least use Red Card so it's not a total momentum sink

digital raven Jul 14, 2024, 6:03 AM

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fair

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kilowattrel does get volt absorb so maybe it could discourage volt switch??? idk

alpine whale Jul 14, 2024, 6:05 AM

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well I'm assuming the point of its existence is to have Competitive to punish defog

digital raven Jul 14, 2024, 6:05 AM

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yeah

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i played a couple games and i've noticed shell smash torterra really messes me up

digital raven Jul 15, 2024, 11:15 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b06aed1174148a27
i edited the team a little bit

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fiery tree Jul 15, 2024, 11:56 PM

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if you're gonna run bramb HO

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probably make it sash + spikes

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the previous version I think had more priority and more power

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think you generally want that on webs HO rather than an explicit revenge killer a la scarf pz

alpine whale Jul 16, 2024, 4:49 AM

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yeah these guys aren't rlly taking advantage of sticky webs as much

digital raven Jul 17, 2024, 12:12 PM

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okie

solid pilot Jul 19, 2024, 2:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/485383c718ae9407

solid pilot Jul 19, 2024, 2:18 AM

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solid pilot https://pokepast.es/485383c718ae9407

@heavy sapphire

heavy sapphire Jul 19, 2024, 2:19 AM

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solid pilot <@833001276249079868>

I'm not an NU rater

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Ping Stories instead

solid pilot Jul 19, 2024, 2:19 AM

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heavy sapphire I'm not an NU rater

Just rate it :3

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Xd

heavy sapphire Jul 19, 2024, 2:19 AM

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I don't think I can

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Sorry.

solid pilot Jul 19, 2024, 2:19 AM

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I wanna try Sensu-style next...

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But throat spray, Alluring Voice, and Trailblaze

solid pilot Jul 19, 2024, 2:19 AM

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heavy sapphire Sorry.

Awh k

fiery tree Jul 19, 2024, 3:51 AM

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team is in the wrong format, 2) team is not good

alpine whale Jul 19, 2024, 4:43 AM

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you should check the VR before making a team

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Dusknoir isn't useable and doesn't even learn some of those moves

crisp grotto Jul 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/da99cf6608f876b0

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crisp grotto Jul 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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one of my first teams in this tier

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i think ho might be busted

alpine whale Jul 20, 2024, 5:28 PM

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HO is pretty strong yeah

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I don't think screens are worth you while

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better off using a Memento Pokemon

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same effect without forcing one of your guys to take a hit

crisp grotto Jul 20, 2024, 6:29 PM

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alpine whale better off using a Memento Pokemon

sth like this: https://pokepast.es/be0911967e2810fe

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?

alpine whale Jul 20, 2024, 9:26 PM

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yeah that’s pretty cool, more consistent at least imo. Has that Deoxys set been working for you?

tardy zealot Jul 21, 2024, 7:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2b62658841978f3f ive been seeing a decent amount of success with it - is it good

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tardy zealot Jul 21, 2024, 7:38 PM

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wait shit i forgot a move on indeedee

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pretend its encore

alpine whale Jul 22, 2024, 4:44 AM

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tardy zealot https://pokepast.es/2b62658841978f3f ive been seeing a decent amount of success ...

could stand to use some coverage move on Espeon, also a bit unsure on how good Hoopa is, but it's probably fine

tardy zealot Jul 22, 2024, 8:51 PM

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alpine whale could stand to use some coverage move on Espeon, also a bit unsure on how good H...

Tbh i didnt really know what to put in the last slot so i put hoopa bc it hits hard n cant be sucker punched under terrain
I felt that another unburden user would put me too much on the physical side unless it was drifblim n we all know that drifblim sucks as an unburden user even for zu

crisp grotto Jul 24, 2024, 2:11 PM

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alpine whale yeah that’s pretty cool, more consistent at least imo. Has that Deoxys set been ...

yea

brave yacht Jul 27, 2024, 1:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/58bd9b8f01506d40 thoughts?

thick reefBOT Jul 27, 2024, 1:38 AM

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brave yacht Jul 27, 2024, 1:41 AM

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Also holy shit guys did gemini cook?
Analyzing Your Gen 9 NU Team
Disclaimer: While I cannot provide specific recommendations without knowing the current meta trends in detail, I can offer general advice based on common strategies and potential synergies.

Overall Team Impressions
Your team seems to have a good balance of offensive and defensive threats. Cloyster and Torterra provide strong offensive pressure with Shell Smash, while Sandaconda and Tentacruel offer utility with Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin respectively. Chandelure and Lucario offer special and physical attacking options.

Potential Issues and Improvements
Type Coverage:

While your team has a decent type coverage, it might struggle against certain types. For example, you lack reliable electric-type coverage, which can be problematic against water-types.
Consider adding a Pokémon with electric-type moves or exploring alternative moves for existing Pokémon.
Team Synergy:

Your team lacks a clear synergy between its members. While each Pokémon has its role, there's little coordination in their abilities or movesets.
Explore synergies like hazard control, weather setups, or support roles to improve overall team performance.
Defensive Pressure:

While Sandaconda sets up Stealth Rock, your team might struggle to maintain hazard control and pressure opponents defensively.
Consider adding a Pokémon with reliable recovery and defensive capabilities or exploring alternative hazard control options.
Speed Control:

Your team relies heavily on fast sweepers like Cloyster and Lucario. While this can be effective, it can also be countered by slower, bulkier Pokémon.
Consider adding a Pokémon with speed control options like priority moves, status conditions, or hazard control.
Potential Adjustments and Suggestions
Explore alternative moves:

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Consider giving Chandelure a coverage move like Heat Wave for added damage output.
Explore the possibility of giving Lucario Extreme Speed for priority.
Consider giving Tentacruel Toxic or Scald for additional utility.
Consider different Pokémon:

A Pokémon with electric-type coverage like Rotom-Fan or Heliolisk could be valuable.
A bulkier Pokémon like Skarmory or Forretress could provide hazard control and defensive support.
A Pokémon with speed control like Rotom-Wash or Slowbro could disrupt opponents' strategies.

brave yacht Jul 27, 2024, 3:21 AM

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any suggestions for my team?

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if you need, i could add examples of battles i have with this team

mellow lava Jul 28, 2024, 1:44 AM

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brave yacht Consider giving Chandelure a coverage move like Heat Wave for added damage outpu...

Heliolisk my favorite SV mon

alpine whale Jul 28, 2024, 2:07 AM

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yeah I'm not even entertaining this

brave yacht Jul 28, 2024, 9:29 PM

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Alright I made some modifications

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https://pokepast.es/526bde7500aa5415 what about this?

thick reefBOT Jul 28, 2024, 9:29 PM

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New [Gen 9] NU RMT @fiery tree, @narrow night, @alpine whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brave yacht Jul 29, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Alr a few changes, I dropped lycanroc for infernape and dropped giga drain on abomasnow for tera rock tera blast

brave yacht Jul 29, 2024, 2:43 AM

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https://pokepast.es/c39902d4cee662c8 team after changes

alpine whale Jul 29, 2024, 2:47 AM

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pretty cool HO, probably wanna keep sash on Infernape. I'd suggest the standard smogdex sets for your setup sweepers and Eject Pack on Abomasnow

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or you could use Icy Rock + Cetitan

brave yacht Jul 29, 2024, 11:53 AM

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alpine whale pretty cool HO, probably wanna keep sash on Infernape. I'd suggest the standard ...

But doesn't eject pack hurt abomasnow because he's slower, so he'll get kicked out before being able to use aurora veil?

brave yacht Jul 29, 2024, 11:54 AM

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alpine whale or you could use Icy Rock + Cetitan

And I don't really need the snow for the rest of my team, just for aurora veil

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And to get rid of rain

alpine whale Jul 29, 2024, 12:00 PM

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brave yacht But doesn't eject pack hurt abomasnow because he's slower, so he'll get kicked o...

eject pack only triggers when you use leaf storm

brave yacht Jul 29, 2024, 12:51 PM

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Oh

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I think I was confusing with button lol

mild totem Aug 17, 2024, 5:02 PM

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My first NU team https://pokepast.es/ae12591eb10f4e7a

alpine whale Aug 17, 2024, 5:03 PM

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mild totem My first NU team https://pokepast.es/ae12591eb10f4e7a

this is an RU team

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5 of these Pokemon are not legal in NU

mellow surge Aug 17, 2024, 6:29 PM

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in their defense it it's half an nu team if you assume the mons at their lowest tiers

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'-'

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actually 4/6s of an nu team then..

alpine whale Aug 17, 2024, 6:39 PM

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what does that mean

mellow surge Aug 17, 2024, 6:43 PM

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alpine whale what does that mean

that 4/6 of those mons were nu this gen

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🙂

alpine whale Aug 17, 2024, 6:44 PM

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ok man

tardy zealot Sep 13, 2024, 9:29 PM

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made this last night https://pokepast.es/487bfb5373662452
apparently its a good team according to lttm (this was before i changed diancie tera to bug)

thick reefBOT Sep 13, 2024, 9:29 PM

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New [Gen 9] NU RMT @fiery tree, @narrow night, @alpine whale. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

alpine whale Sep 13, 2024, 9:29 PM

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cool webs team

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I like tera blast > rock blast on tort

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for zong

tardy zealot Sep 13, 2024, 9:30 PM

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i see

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i alr have zong check in tox tho

fiery tree Sep 13, 2024, 9:31 PM

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I do think lum tauros probably helps you mor ethan CB here?

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the team could be a tad hard to position as is

tardy zealot Sep 13, 2024, 9:31 PM

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oki

alpine whale Sep 13, 2024, 9:33 PM

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tardy zealot i alr have zong check in tox tho

that is not a check at all

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zong will EQ or psychic move u

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and take 30 from boomburst

tardy zealot Sep 13, 2024, 9:34 PM

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oh

alpine whale Sep 13, 2024, 9:34 PM

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you use torterra to delete zong / cress so toxt / tauros can win

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respectively

tardy zealot Sep 13, 2024, 9:34 PM

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fair

mellow surge Sep 16, 2024, 10:17 PM

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tardy zealot made this last night https://pokepast.es/487bfb5373662452 apparently its a good ...

personally i wouldnt run a bramble here

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i've preferred options like scarf legion / balloon or scarf chandy with memento / boots h-typh to spinblock for webs

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bramble's like fine enough but i find the others are more threatening and provide more team utility

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if you try out a choice item mon last tho, i would def not run triple choice item

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atp do something like shift gear + throat spray toxt or bulk up wauros instead

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a1146e6fc156350b have no idea what im doing in this tier but i made something thats been kinda fun

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:01 AM

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pretty cool offense, I'm a big fan of the Iron Thorns set. I do think the Sylveon and even the other Choice-locked Pokemon drain a bit of momentum that an offensive team really needs every ounce of

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:02 AM

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yeah i was thinking lo 4a infernape with the specs poryz maybe?

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:03 AM

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yeah def keep Trick on PZ, that's like your only out vs bulky setup

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:04 AM

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what if i ran adapt on it instead cuz tb

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:05 AM

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Tera and Adapt overlap in diminishing ways

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you're better off with Tri Attack + Tera Shadow Ball if you use adapt

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:05 AM

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ok

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what changes are we thinking

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:06 AM

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I do like AV Basculegion as a sort of "anchor" for offensive teams, but the Sylveon feels quite out of place here

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Infernape is also admittedly just not that good

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:06 AM

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💔

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understandable

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:07 AM

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you could stand for a few more setup sweepers; SD Breloom, Shell Smash Torterra, Bulk Up Tauros Aqua

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all viable options

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even Tauros Blaze is the same typing as infernape but a better Pokemon

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:07 AM

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cm cress?

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:08 AM

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Cress is better yeah but still a bit passive

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although it can definitely steamroll / autowin some MU's

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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i thinki might roll with that

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who should replace sylv?

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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oh also, use Tera Fire Punch Flygon. It hits Bronzong and Grass-types

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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over sub?

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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mhm

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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gotchu

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:09 AM

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gentle phoenix who should replace sylv?

what is the current team atm?

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did you change Infernape already?

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you still wanna maintain the speed tier that infernape presented somehow

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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https://pokepast.es/94d0d8eb4e556dc0

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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you can do that with priority or a different scarfer

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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talonflame maybe?

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adds defog and willowisp support

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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You don't really wanna Defog when you dedicate an entire mon to getting up hazards

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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true

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:10 AM

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I think you want Cresselia to take the Sylveon slot as they do similar things, then replace the Infernape slot

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:11 AM

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ok

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thinking loom

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:11 AM

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SD Loom is good

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has the priority

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with Mach Punch and Basc's Aqua Jet, opposing setup shouldn't be an issue

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:12 AM

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sounds chill

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u think any other changes?

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:13 AM

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the sets you have now work, but more aggressive setup in favor of Cresselia works too

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lemme show u what i got

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https://pokepast.es/2bda9986a40aaebc

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ok so this uses Memento Chandlure (can also be Choice Scarf) to revenge KO stuff but also weaken OPs for your other guys to setup

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:19 AM

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tb ghost tort?

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never thought of that

alpine whale Sep 17, 2024, 1:21 AM

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hits Bronzong and Cresselia, and let's you setup on a few key things like Choice-locked Mienshao

gentle phoenix Sep 17, 2024, 1:22 AM

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thats awesome

mellow surge Sep 17, 2024, 4:25 PM

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gentle phoenix https://pokepast.es/a1146e6fc156350b have no idea what im doing in this tier but...

similar initial vibe to what stories said here in that lead thorns + multiple choice item mons + a wishtect sylveon is kinda counterproductive

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hazard lead ho stuff is better played out with just spamming setup mons/sometimes generic fast attackers (rly depends on the tier tho for how practical this is) and overwhelming your opp that way

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i think you CAN justify choice item attackers on ho but you need to be really smart about it and account for what mons they'll let in on mispredicts/after KOs and how you can gameplan for the turn after that

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the updated version w/ the cress i think is cool because you have the innate synergy of cress + specs p-z with hazards to weaken certain checks like umbreon/registeel and co. but the av legion and sylv still throw me off (this tho is an example of how a generic attacker could still fit onto ho; i think legion is one of the passable options just not here)

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the reason the stories updated version works quite nicely is the synergy the offensive guys have

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fire punch flygon + specs p-z + tera blast ghost tort all work together to overwhelm one of the most common defensive mons in bronzong, meaning flygon or tort should usually fine an opening to sweep

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i do think you could try throat chop > fire punch on flygon here if you wanna try messing opposing sylveon up in addition to retaining your bronzong coverage (fire punch also hits orthworm but people's opinions on how good that mon is are a bit varied), but with a team like this idt sylveon should be giving you issues long-term anyway

vagrant obsidian Sep 18, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Watching Lord Rabia vids got me interested in lower tiers (specially NU). I still don't have a solid team so i tried building an offensive team around Vileplume-Swampert-Talonflame: https://pokepast.es/206e118ff10b471d
Recently got rid of breloom and added Thyplo-hisui bc my matchup into bronzong was horrible.
(Rating: 1200s)

mellow surge Sep 18, 2024, 10:22 PM

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inherently this team gets giga clapped up by literally every special attacker in the tier

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and imo your breaking power isnt sufficient enough in this meta

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cress and bulky setup more generally also ream you quite badly here

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no trick on munki nor roar on pert means you have 0 cplay to those types of mons

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another big thing is that since you're trying to build offense, plume is kinda an awkward mon to justify

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it's too big of a momentum sink

vagrant obsidian Sep 18, 2024, 10:27 PM

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Thanks. I'll just grab a team from a video that actually works

mellow surge Sep 18, 2024, 10:28 PM

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learning to teambuild is a good way to keep improving too but nothing wrong with using tested teams

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@vagrant obsidian I think generically the team can work as a bulky offense build with some edits, i.e. CB Flygon > DD, Trick on Munkidori, perhaps replace Typh for SD Decidueye

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could try Copperajah > Swampert asw

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the plume slot im a little unsure on how to fix that

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https://pokepast.es/10c1ec8b6502c963

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something like this could work, tho it's weak to chandy

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https://pokepast.es/c143a5cf2d7b61d2 prob more like this

alpine whale Sep 18, 2024, 11:05 PM

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vagrant obsidian Watching Lord Rabia vids got me interested in lower tiers (specially NU). I stil...

you shouldn't watch his videos if you want to get better

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watch @zinc condor instead

zinc condor Sep 18, 2024, 11:16 PM

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alpine whale watch <@173216885305901056> instead

Wokege

zinc condor Sep 18, 2024, 11:18 PM

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vagrant obsidian Watching Lord Rabia vids got me interested in lower tiers (specially NU). I stil...

i agree with rabia that plume is a bit odd if an offense team is your goal, but talon + pert is a really solid pivot duo for all kinds of offense

mellow surge Sep 19, 2024, 12:32 AM

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alpine whale you shouldn't watch his videos if you want to get better

man what the hell

vagrant obsidian Sep 19, 2024, 4:24 AM

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Thanks for the tips. Will try the new team! Have a nice one

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/18c4b644e7e047fe basically, a common terrain with silvally, araquanid can poke holes for both the terrain & silvally, silvally can break fire types, dark and weaker grass types, raichu can break some silva and the same shenanigans
BUT
I couldnt find a 6° Pokémon to glue the team as one, salazzle looks cool as it, but kinda off place, sooo
Zoroark, i love zoroark, he can bait grass as silva, can bait muds, can hit chip some of silvally counters... If was just that, i wouldnt select him, its too weak... BUT, uturn, as far as i don't use flame on silva so soon, my op would take some time to figure out which one is zoroark... Still, the thing i ask is, do i keep it? Do i change it? what should i do?

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:23 PM

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just use an Electric Seed CM Pokemon over Zoroark*

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Uxie or Xatu works

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also don't use Draining Kiss on Raichu, you don't gain enough from it

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when Surf / Grass Knot / Focus Blast net lots of KO's you can't get otherwise

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better off replacing Araquanid with a proactive hazard setter too imo

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:37 PM

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alpine whale also don't use Draining Kiss on Raichu, you don't gain enough from it

It can ohko chipped guzzlord after np, the same with scrafty, but ik, its too much of a gamble

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Focus Blast is better then imo

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:38 PM

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30% miss is a hell of a drug

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:38 PM

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if DKiss has been working then you can keep it :P

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true

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:38 PM

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but yeah, lot better

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:41 PM

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alpine whale better off replacing Araquanid with a proactive hazard setter too imo

it would be interesting ngl, but i feel like without him the overall team would be quite weaker
It hits fire, ground & grass, takes out muds, heavy dmg on switch, can quite easily revenge opp silvally
i mean, its not his place, ik, but is soo good

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:41 PM

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like i said if something is working, no need to change it

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:41 PM

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I tried starmie seed too, wasnt half of its utility for the team

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:42 PM

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yeah the main boon of seed is the combo with Calm Mind

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people usually use Uxie or Xatu for that

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:42 PM

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Also, what are the sets for both?

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uxie & xatu

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:42 PM

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Ability: Magic Bounce  
EVs: 248 HP / 76 Def / 184 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Stored Power  
- Dazzling Gleam  
- Calm Mind  
- Roost```

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Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Stored Power  
- Draining Kiss  
- Calm Mind  
- Rest```

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outspeeds Rotom-C and rest in phys bulk

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Xatu can use Heat Wave > Dazzling Gleam

old lance Sep 25, 2024, 9:44 PM

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abt sp xatu

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sp overall

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should i force an setup opp for it or use it to open holes for my main sweepers?

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and which one yt would be better in arks place?

alpine whale Sep 25, 2024, 9:46 PM

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I mean with HO like this you kinda just throw something at the wall until something sticks

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