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tranquil knot
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To hit grass buy probably too niche

spark sapphire
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Hand me the poke paste for your team

tranquil knot
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Not on my computer so currently dont have it

spark sapphire
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Ah

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You have like

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Half a hyper offense team but it seems like you want some sort of defense property

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Since you have Quag and a sub wisp Gengar

tranquil knot
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I was just going with what i like and tweaking from there

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Might split into two teams

spark sapphire
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Mhmm

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That sounds good

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I’m just not the most confident in how the team you have now would fair against more solid teams

tranquil knot
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Originally was using Liquidation as the stab but swapped out for EQ

spark sapphire
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You need to either adjust the team to be more offensive or adjust your play to win the game before hazards become an issue

tranquil knot
spark sapphire
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Yeah

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I would say that’s a step in the right direction

tranquil knot
tranquil knot
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prior build restarting to see if i can find something else

whole tulip
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This team honestly looks like you are trying to go in two different directions

tranquil knot
whole tulip
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That's a good idea

tranquil knot
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Not sure who to use for the extra slots very new to comp

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Ive won like once from not counting people leaving cause they got annoyed by the quagsire

tranquil knot
small spruce
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we have a few pokemon better suited for offense than crawdaunt

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Notably Gyarados for the water slot

whole tulip
tranquil knot
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i see i learning thank you for helping out

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also thinking of cutting Salamance

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since its often a trade when it comes out and not sure if needing tera blast for the use of terra is that good

tranquil knot
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gengar might not be good for the defensive...

tranquil knot
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hey can i ask why the guide said to ignore forretress?

faint panther
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You'll mostly see Forretress on weather teams and specific bulky offense structures as a mon that compresses a lot of roles - at the cost of being worse than other choices, but letting you run 5 mons that have higher upside

tranquil knot
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i see thank you

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finished my first offshoot build made by splitting my original appart

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i probably ended up doing the two different plans again

whole tulip
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I would say go with the standard spreads for chesnaught, cyclizar and hoodra

tranquil knot
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standard?

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i was just trusting the bot for builds

whole tulip
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Lemme explain

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On this screen, click import/export

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You'll then get to this screen

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At the bottom, there are sample spreads

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Usually you want to use those

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You can adjust the moves/tera types/item when you want to

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But there a good shortcut to not have to manually put in everything

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The bot is fine for some offensive mons that may not have a sample set

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But it can get a bit weird with anything else

tranquil knot
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i see

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so is this team more cohessive this time around?

whole tulip
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I would say yes

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I think mmq is the main thing that stands out to me

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I would say replace it with scarf zapdos galar

tranquil knot
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the lucario half is still wip

whole tulip
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That's alright

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I would also swap out leech seed on chesnaught for synthesis

tranquil knot
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was tempted to pull in some of my NU faves

tranquil knot
whole tulip
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Its fine if you use some lower tier mons

tranquil knot
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like for the bulky i kinda eyed alolan muk

vivid rootBOT
tranquil knot
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but wasnt sure if ground overlap was worth it with gengar

whole tulip
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The viability rankings are usually good to see whats good in the tier

whole tulip
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I would say a-muk+gengar would be a no though

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Unless you made gengar air balloon and paired it with a few ground resists

tranquil knot
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yep that why i didnt

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not done but here is the offense build offshoot so far

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eyeing mammo

whole tulip
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I would swap out close combat and crunch on lycanroc for taunt and endeavour

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I would also make garde trick and healing wish over m-fire and e-ball

tranquil knot
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Tbh im not 100% dedicated to lycanrock being fully support since feels like a waste of tough claws personally

whole tulip
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Well, lycanroc's main deal as a suicide lead is to get up rocks and prevent them

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If you want to make a more offense team instead of HO

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Then you could run LO over sash on lycanroc

whole tulip
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If you really want to use non suicide lead lycanroc

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Then you should make gyarados boots

tranquil knot
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Tbh im also not sure on him stying or using noive instead

whole tulip
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Offensive pivot noivern is a good mon

tranquil knot
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heres what im thinking not sure if tsereena is that good a hazard answer for this

whole tulip
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I would say for this team, no

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This is more of an offensive team

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So idt hazard removal is really required

tranquil knot
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i see

whole tulip
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I think you should also make lycanroc SD

tranquil knot
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sd?

whole tulip
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ye

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Swords dance

tranquil knot
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oh but its curretly choiced?

whole tulip
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Yeah, you would make it life orb

tranquil knot
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so swap psychic fang?

whole tulip
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Yeah

tranquil knot
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im allowed to double up on LO right?

whole tulip
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Yeah, that's fine

tranquil knot
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for lucario and lycan

whole tulip
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There's no item restriction

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Multiple teams use the same item on different mons like boots spam

tranquil knot
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ah

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didnt know when i was doing this kinda stuff

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im considering Hisui zoarok

whole tulip
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Your team is really lacking on physical attackers

tranquil knot
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but kinda wishy washy if thats a good switch about

tranquil knot
whole tulip
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If you wanna do that

tranquil knot
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im split on path

whole tulip
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The other option is going krook+horoark

tranquil knot
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krook i was eying

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horoark is physical?

whole tulip
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I would say that can go special

tranquil knot
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the pre set is specs

whole tulip
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Its fine if the physical attackers to special attacker ratio isn't even

whole tulip
tranquil knot
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its premades are scarf or specs

whole tulip
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Horoark could be a bit iffy since you dont have hazard control and that can reveal it sometimes due to hazard chip, but unless you are playing at a high level, it should be fine

tranquil knot
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i feel i might want a little control cause i had issues with that in the other older build

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they piled up fast

whole tulip
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Well, the main thing with offensive teams is that you try to play at a fast enough pace so hazards don't go up/matter as much

tranquil knot
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heres the current set

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will eventually try to make a balance again later

whole tulip
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I would make krook rocky helmet and gunk shot

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With stealth rocks

tranquil knot
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forgot sword lycanroc

tranquil knot
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bascilegion seemed interesting as a water cover since i cut gyrados

whole tulip
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Basculegion is a fine mon

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Also don't forget to make krook rocks

tranquil knot
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How did i not notice double gunk

whole tulip
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It happens

tranquil knot
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Trying it out now

whole tulip
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Yeah, the best thing to do once you've made a team is to test it out

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Cause there could be something that's missing that we didn't missed

tranquil knot
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Yeah got walled by empoleon

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But that was cause i misplayed and got my fighting stabs killed with krook

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But i think part of stuff is i don't know teras so im playing into more experienced players hands

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Basulegion might not be it

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Just realized i don't have anything that can get through water

tranquil knot
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Also a significant weakness to grass and fighting....

vestal delta
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Trying a new team; after some false starts, this went 4-1: https://pokepast.es/204bf462303e3cd2
Got some questions in it, but I'm ultimately going for a mostly-bulky team with some anti-cheese.

faint panther
# vestal delta Trying a new team; after some false starts, this went 4-1: https://pokepast.es/2...

This team is a bit lacking in general balance, with three Steel-types and some notable building blocks missing like the lack of a good Volt immune.

I think the core of Galarian Weezing and Chesnaught is a bit redundant; keeping Galarian Weezing with Empoleon seems good though. Bisharp and Mimikyu are fine offensive options as well for that core, so you're mainly looking to replace Chesnaught and Magnezone with some pieces that can get you more balanced. I'd consider something like this to try and see what I mean regarding overall balance:

https://pokepast.es/555c76997cc9dfed

vestal delta
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So, offensive empoleon instead of defensive?

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ah, Hippowdon for the phazing

faint panther
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Yeah Cyclizar and Hippowdon can both help here with phazing so Empoleon can be more of a special attacking presence

vestal delta
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without Magnezone, I was low on that, wasn't I?

faint panther
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Yeah sticking Bisharp and Mimikyu together is fine but you want something to punish physical walls a bit more, especially stuff like Slowbro after Terastallization and Hippowdon

vestal delta
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problem: Volcanion wrecks me

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wasn't anything I could do

faint panther
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Cyclizar is a bit stretched thin vs Volcanion, can do Tera Dragon Hippowdon to help with that or make it a Rhyperior for similar effect since you have helmet support on Galarian Weezing

vestal delta
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I'll try it when it's not a dead time of only a handful of people (my rating) on

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thanks

broken ore
vivid rootBOT
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broken ore
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Struggle against gweezing

spark sapphire
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Hmm

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Put Armarouge over Zapdos-G

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Gimme one sec

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This team looks fun

faint panther
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Cyclizar on HO, especially webs, is a bit clunky. Would recommend using Maushold if you're that worried about removal (you shouldn't be too worried) and definitely not using multiple Choice Scarf mons, as the purpose of webs is to allow your slower mons to setup and win easier

spark sapphire
faint panther
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So Regidrago could be a Dragon Dance set instead of Choice Scarf, Krookodile could be Bulk Up + Scale Shot, and Galarian Zapdos could be some sort of special setup threat like Armarouge (angel mentioned)

spark sapphire
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few of the natures were wrong so these would be my suggested changes

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off the top of my head

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bulk up scale shot actually might be preferred

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i just like rocks on my HO

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oops evs are wrong

broken ore
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The cycle removes rocks to keep energy at max power

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and scarf webs 80 base speed

faint panther
broken ore
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💔

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its never regiover

marble girder
vivid rootBOT
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marble girder
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I've been playing H-Typoholsion sun

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the scarf Gapdos matchup can be tough though

whole tulip
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Hm

marble girder
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I can offensively threaten it with triple axle

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but I've got no switch in

whole tulip
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Okay, well I think there are some things that need to be changed

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Firstly, I think on this team, leavanny doesn't really fit

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You have slither wing and hilligant

marble girder
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😔 I need some other form of speed control for H-Typho then

whole tulip
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So you don't really need webs

marble girder
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it's slow as balls

whole tulip
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Make it scarf

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I think that would be a lot better

marble girder
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🤔 that'd free up a slot for something that can take up Gapdos then

whole tulip
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I think rocky helmet forre over cyclizar would also be better

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Heavily improves your gapdos matchup

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And gives you some hazards

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I also think making Hilligant LO is better

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Gives it a nice power boost

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You could also make hilligant SD if you want, but victory dance is also fine

marble girder
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adamant over jolly?

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if I keep victory dance

whole tulip
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Yep

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Adamant

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Even if you have sd ngl

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Cause your outspeeding most things in sun

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Hmm

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We still have one slot left for where leavanny is

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Endure armarouge looks like a big pain for this team

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Ngl, I think maybe volcanion could be alright last

marble girder
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Do I keep hydro steam on it then?

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🤔 cause sun weakens the water stab

whole tulip
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I would say yes

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Just for out of sun

marble girder
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I assume boots as well

whole tulip
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Ye

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I think something like this might be better

marble girder
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Should I swap any of the Ghosts tera over?

whole tulip
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Uh

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I think forre potentially

marble girder
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tera water?

whole tulip
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Yeah

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Nintetales you could either keep tera ghost, or potentially make it tera grass

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But keep tera ghost on volcanion

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Main way it even attempts to break stall

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252 SpA Tera Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Muk-Alola in Sun: 332-392 (80.1 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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Because once you beat chansey

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Then typhlosion can kinda auto win

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252 SpA Tera Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 56 HP / 200 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 164-194 (25 - 29.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

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252 SpA Tera Fire Typhlosion-Hisui Eruption (150 BP) vs. 56 HP / 200 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 246-290 (37.5 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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As otherwise chansey can beat you

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I think you could also make slither wing tera dragon tbh

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Helps it take on opposing fire type moves

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This would be the final team

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Also if you ever need to look at a sun team

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This is a good one

marble girder
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🤔

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good to know

whole tulip
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Oh actually

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Make e-quake on slither heavy slam

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Hits geezing

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Which could open up hilligant

marble girder
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that forum post is a good read

whole tulip
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:)

broken ore
vivid rootBOT
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broken ore
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Trying to build around Regidrago, any tips?

faint panther
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MagDrag is a good start

spark sapphire
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Woah

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Add a wo-chien

faint panther
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I get the idea of RestoChesto but salamence and others do it better generally - this set specifically can't touch galarian weezing for instance

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If you want to make dd regidrago work you kinda have to run either three attacks (tera blast steel) or just drop eq and accept that you can't really touch registeel and Jirachi

broken ore
broken ore
faint panther
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You use Substitute + tera dark to setup easier against stuff like slowbro and use Tera blast steel + Scale Shot to just wipe teams once the steel is chipped or taken out

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Loaded Dice works over lefties if you want more consistent damage output too

faint panther
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Does less to gweez but still gives coverage to actually hit it

broken ore
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pretend that made sense im struggling

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What I'm trying to say is

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yeah probably dice

faint panther
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Yeah just build around those two and give a few different Tera's a chance, all will have downsides of course but DragMag is a good core right now

broken ore
vivid rootBOT
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whole tulip
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This seems like a mishmash of a webs team and a BO team

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I can see your also trying to do a dragmag team

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I think we should stick to either doing dragmag or webs

broken ore
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krok

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idk

whole tulip
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Yeah, that's a good start

broken ore
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Krookodile @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Knock Off
  • Gunk Shot
  • Close Combat
whole tulip
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I think on this team, rocks krook would be better

broken ore
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?

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Krookodile @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Stealth Rock
  • Earthquake
  • Knock Off
  • Taunt
whole tulip
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Yeah

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I think you also really want a fairy type

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Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Trace
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Psychic
  • Teleport
  • Healing Wish
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You could use this set

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Teleport means you can get directly to magnezone

broken ore
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who is it most worth to boot?

whole tulip
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I would say hoodra

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You already have cyclizar for special walling (btw, make that AV)

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The cyclizar AV that is

broken ore
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Cyclizar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 104 HP / 152 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Rapid Spin
  • Knock Off
  • U-turn
  • Draco Meteor
whole tulip
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Yeah

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You can go dragon tail if you want to also

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You could then make Bisharp into eject pack slowbro

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But bisharp I think could also be fine there

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Actually, the bisharp MU looks rough now

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Slither wing could be a good option over bisharp

broken ore
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MU?

broken ore
whole tulip
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Matchup

broken ore
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oo

whole tulip
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I think something like this might be a good start

broken ore
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tu

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ty

whole tulip
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👍

pearl spindle
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Hi guys sorry to bother but If anyone has any time i would like to make a RU team around rock polish Rhyperior but I don’t know how . I never made a team before and I need help. Thank yall and have a good day

faint panther
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Rock Polish Rhyperior is a cool idea, haven't considered it much lately... hm

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@pearl spindle
https://pokepast.es/dd097d6871a670ee
This probably does okay? Just some standard sets for the most part outside of Rhyperior; went double dance so you can use it as an SD breaker if you need vs balance/bulky offense, or squeeze in a rock polish to clean up unsuspecting stuff

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Tera Dragon on Rhyp is standard and really helps shore up this teams weakness to Volcanion especially, which can be tricky if they Body Press Cyclizar to wear it down fast

pearl spindle
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@faint panther oh wow, thank you so much. I really appreciate this. This looks really good. I have a really dumb question. This is just Pokémon preference but are there any other Pokémon in the RU or NUBL that furfill jitachis role better or does the same thing

faint panther
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Like this utility set example? Not a real 1:1 exists but if you want a Steel Stealth Rock setter with pivot + utility Empoleon is an okay option

vestal delta
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As I can't really find any one team that suits me, I'm building yet another. With Gardevoir on the team, I was wondering something I've long wondered: Why shouldn't I use Psyshock over Psychic, given I have only two attacking moves and someone might try to wise up and switch a special wall in on me for a free setup turn.

faint panther
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Psyshock is a generally better move in my opinion, hitting a lot of stuff as well or better than Psychic. You'll still struggle vs Steel-types like Empoleon, Jirachi, and Registeel, but that is fine if you pair it with something that can take advantage of that like Magnezone or Slither Wing.

azure scaffold
vestal delta
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15 power or 5 and targeting Defense is worth vs blocking healing?

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tempted to swap Bisharp from Tera Dark to Ghost or Flying

azure scaffold
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Fighting types aren't that big of an issue here

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Volcanion is.

vestal delta
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ooh, yeah. And he thrashed me 1 out of 2 times

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(the other time, I swapped in Gardevoir onto what I think was a choiced Steam Eruption LOL)

azure scaffold
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I mean that should do 0 dmg to garde

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It traces water absorb

vestal delta
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yeah, that's the time I did well against it

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Volcanion of my own, with Earth Power...?

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also I experimented a bit with some of the EVs, though I ditched Rock Polish Rhyperior so I could have a Setter/Remover in-one

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oh, forgot to mention: Bullet Punch on Lucario is specifically for Mimikyu

whole tulip
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Also just wondering, but is this sorta a steel spam team?

vestal delta
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It wasn't intended that way

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it just sort of ended up doing that

whole tulip
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I really don't like forre on non weather teams

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On weather you can justify it because it can fill multiple roles that weather wants to role compress

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But otherwise, its not really worth it a lot of the time

vestal delta
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I admit, ferro didn't feel right other than that compression

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Thinking of a Defog user. I could swap him for Talonflame with Will-o-wisp and take that move off of Weezing-G

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(basically, I hate entry hazards, especially ribombee shenanigans)

whole tulip
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I think you could easily go another ground (gastro helps a lot with volcanion with storm drain) and put defog on geezing

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Also just wondering, but why did you put lucario on the team exactly?

vestal delta
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gastro can do spikes or rock, and can use recover... yeah, I think I'll swap forre for it

whole tulip
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I would go rocks with gastro for this team

vestal delta
whole tulip
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So priority and cc?

vestal delta
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yeah

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Bullet Punch over Crunch or MM for fighting Mimikyu specifically

whole tulip
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You could use slither over lucario if you wanted to

vestal delta
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Pivot, Band, Scarf, or other?

whole tulip
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Pivot is best

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You can prob drop boots on slither for something like pads

vestal delta
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healing or heavy slam or wisp...

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at least Weezing is going defog and losing ... wisp or toxic, hm

whole tulip
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Whatever you want

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If your scared of geezing, then heavy slam

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I usually default to morning sun just cause healing is always good

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Something like this is probably good

vestal delta
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for clarity: special defense on gastro, not def

whole tulip
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Yeah

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You can go wisp on slither, and that helps alongside geezing for physical defense

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While AV mag+gastro helps on the special defense side

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You can make e-quake to earth power on gastro too

vestal delta
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I think I'll keep quake simply for multiple team people able to hit both defenses

whole tulip
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If you want to yeah

vestal delta
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wow, slither wing is a BEAST

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but I've gained a hatred for sun teams, now 😦

whole tulip
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Sun can be a pain in the ass yeah

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Garde is the main way you are going to deal with said sun teams

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Cause it can trace chlorophyll and get the double speed

vestal delta
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I just saw a PU Frosmoth get used well in RU

whole tulip
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Uhh, well, frosmoth isn't really good in RU

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As a quiver dance sweeper, its outclassed by orcorio pom pom

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As a specially defensive pivot, its outclassed by cyclizar

vestal delta
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yeah, but I was just weirded out by how it was used well at all

pearl spindle
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@faint panther is this good ??

faint panther
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Double Choice Scarf is kinda fun, though that Umbreon set looks a little overdone. I think if you want to use offensive Umbreon you should try something like Moonlight, CM, Dark Pulse, and Stored Power with physical bulk and Tera Poison, though realistically it isn't going to be a good setup threat in this meta because it's slow and weak even after a few boosts

pearl spindle
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I’m also thinking about replacing umbreon with magic bounce Espeon

faint panther
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Espeon could do CM stuff better but is also generally just outclassed by stuff like Suicune and Raikou

pearl spindle
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Thank you for all the help by the way

faint panther
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Yes this looks passable for sure, you could use something like Stealth Rock Jirachi instead of Gengar since you have Speed control in Galarian Zapdos and could use another defensive piece and pivot

pearl spindle
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What defense pivot you recommend

faint panther
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Anything with rocks + turn, so Jirachi, Empoleon, and Swampert all come to mind here

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Jirachi just comes to mind because it can help with potentially spreading paralysis to enable either substitute mon or just give you a good gardevoir switch-in

pearl spindle
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Which Pokémon do I replace if I want to use Empoleon

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Does azelf work??

faint panther
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You would just replace the Gengar here with Empoleon

pearl spindle
pearl spindle
vestal delta
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I tried asking in #comp-general-2 but didn't get a reply: Thoughts on a Choice Scarf Espeon? I feel like Scarf Gardevoir is falling off due to not as many rain teams, and Espeon outspeeds Zapdos-Galarian while having similar type coverage.

spark sapphire
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I think espeon is solid on ho sometimes but scarf garde will always help against the omnipresent Slowbro

faint panther
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It's probably not viable, doesn't hit nearly as hard as Gardevoir and doesn't offer the same utility in Healing Wish and Synchronize

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Espeon as speed control auto loses to rain for instance and isn't doing a good job to keep hazards off vs our setters like krook jirachi etc

vestal delta
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so I just need something that can live Zapdos-G then

spark sapphire
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Registeel

vestal delta
vestal delta
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ah, Ghost. Was worried about Brave Bird, too, so didn't realize

vestal delta
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went 4-1 starting maybe half an hour ago

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Hm

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This is a really weird team

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I think first and foremost, we need to figure out, are you going offense/HO route, or BO route?

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If its offense/HO, we prob need to drop regi/geezing

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If its BO, then we prob need to drop tort and prob mmq

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Rn, its sorta a mishmash between the two

vestal delta
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Not HO, for sure. I was going for somewhat bulky with a couple speedsters to balance things out

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sort of thinking a counterattack / let them make a mistake thing?

whole tulip
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Well, that would be more BO

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I would say start by removing torterra, and adding something like specially defensive gastro in that slot

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We can work from there then

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Okay, replaced; want me to repost with the new version?

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252 hp / 252+ spdef, 4 def, -spe / Stealth Rock + Earthquake + Ice Beam + Recover; but I already have Registeel for Rocks (and did change it to Body Press over Earthquake)

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storm drain, heavy-duty boots, tera poison, just swapped Stealth Rock to Spikes

vestal delta
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tbh, gastrodon did far worse than torterra in my next 5

whole tulip
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Hm, why don't you post the new version here

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You could potentially swap it for swampert and make regi t-wave

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Sorry, id+bp

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I could see this maybe working

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But no water resists sounds bad

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So we could swap mmq out for something else

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You could go gyarados or volcanion over it

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Like this

vestal delta
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I'll try those out

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oh, a while back someone recommended max speed bisharp, and I checked the speed tiers - it would do some good; not worth sacrificing the bulk?

whole tulip
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Max speed isn't horrible on bisharp

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If you want to use it then sure

vestal delta
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So Gyarados is Dragon Dance until I have to Rest, then slaughter them?

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Yes

vestal delta
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I'll copy those over and add a Volcanion version, too

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I'll try them when it's not so late I'm only up against the same 4 people or so

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oh, any chance I should take another Fire move over Flamethrower?

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eh, just looked and Fire Blast is too inaccurate, others too... not really

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I never know what to make of this though

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does that mean I want Taunt no matter what, and just pick one of the other three?

whole tulip
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Taunt honestly you kinda want no matter what

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Allows you to truly break down the opponents defenses

vestal delta
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going Taunt / Sludge Bomb then

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because I want to be able to fish for poison if I have to

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little surprised it does that instead of move 3: Taunt, move 4: Body Press / Earth Power / Sludge Bomb, then

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A good option last would be endure armarouge I would think

shrewd crescent
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Np

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just last question : which set i can use on jirachi to replace kleavor?

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I would say stealth rocks, u-turn, iron head, then body slam or healing wish last

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ok thanks

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For an offensive team it's okay

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You'd probably get more out of Tera flying or fighting Galarian Zapdos, and your answer to cm slowbro + umbreon bulky offense teams right now is a bit shaky, maybe try dragon Tail > Draco Meteor on cyc so you can phaze them if needed

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What fp said

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I think armarouge could maybe be replaced with something like your own cm slowbro

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Probably covert cloak

acoustic verge
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Ain’t nothin’ checking Crawdaunt

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Whole point of getting Craw in is to make progress, it’s guaranteed progress so just don’t let it in easy, Amoong + Slowbro is about the best you could ask

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Only thing really is chesnaught

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Other then that, you just have to try to out offense it

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# acoustic verge https://pokepast.es/18546734171db573 is there band or life orb crawdaunt soft or...

Also for this team:
Swap out amoong for chesnaught. Standard set.
Make chansey rocks over t-wave (para isn't useful for stall)
Cyclizar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 12 Def / 152 SpD / 212 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Rapid Spin
  • Knock Off
  • U-turn
  • Dragon Tail
    Make cyclizar this spread. Always survives +1 armarouge psyshock from full
    Put something such as counter, t-spikes, whirlpool or counter on quag
    Remove spikes on deo-d for knock
    Replace t-wave on slowbro for something else. Options are body press, grass knot or cm
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Make quag tera poison too

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And heavy duty boots

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This would probably be it

acoustic verge
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chesnaught doesnt really fit on stalll tho

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Chesnaught is a stall staple in RU fwiw

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The utility of Knock + Spikes along with checking so many physical attackers and being able to block a lot of annoying stuff with Bulletproof is really good

spark sapphire
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Don’t forget about Super Fang too

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Super Fang is nice yeah, catch stuff like Noivern by surprise and stop Fez from being a nuisance if you Tera Steel

acoustic verge
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would i be replacing deoxys defense

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Amoonguss like Heatranator said

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It's an okay mon on bulky offense but not really doing much for stall these days

acoustic verge
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🤔 idk in my experience i've wanted a poison type mon on the team

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to remove reliance on cyclizar to remove t spikes

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and for a defensive type against stuff like slither wing

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and also regenerator as well

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is there no way to keep amoonguss and chesnaught

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You'd be making yourself miserably weak to stuff like Salamence and Galarian Zapdos

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Full stall in RU isn't really too viable at the moment to be honest, you can likely shift this to a more semi-stall type of team with CM Fezandipiti as the main wincon + grounded Poison-type but the team right now is just kind of weak to a lot of stuff

acoustic verge
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what do i run in place of spikes on deoxys

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or chesnaught

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A bit gimmicky with Whirlpool Quag but that is the nature of stall in the tier right now

acoustic verge
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what is whirlpool quag for

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chansey?

acoustic verge
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pearl spindle
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Especially with wish

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For the first one, I think you need something over chesnaught. Something like quagsire would prob be better

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# whole tulip Especially with wish

Is there anyway I can make Espeon work? I just really like the magic bounce ability. I feel like it comes in handy when countering other hazard, setters, and status inflictions

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And thank you for the feedback. I am remaking the team now

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I'm not seeing the vision here

spark sapphire
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Two rockers?

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Rhyp AND Hippo, both with rocks

warped bone
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I didnt entirely think this team out, the 2 rockers thing was a brain fart

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Helb

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You’re gonna want a water resist for sure

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You have Goodra but it’s offensive so it’s sorta like

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You could make the Goodra Eject Pack and have a specs Gengar?

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Ahhh

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You can have an SD terrak instead of Rhyp

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There's arw all sample sets I camt built mons myself

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New to ru

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Yeah uhhh

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Three ground types

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Is a no go

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You need to pick between krook or rhyperior ngl

spark sapphire
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I think 2 grounds is alright

whole tulip
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I think these ones just kinda overlap a lot

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Like mamo+pert is fine

spark sapphire
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If you have two grounds you need to make sure you can beat Slowbro and Suicune

warped bone
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😦

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Well can I get replacements pls

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I'll replace any

spark sapphire
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Swords Dance, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Close Combat

warped bone
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What else

spark sapphire
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Well, try that out, play a few games and see what you’re losing to

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https://pokepast.es/ae447d851030d9a8 mimikyu HO
the gengar set was some advice i received from someone in the RU discord, its been a very nice disruption tool, especially against stall/other HO's. Any advice? Ive been testing this team and its been doing pretty well so far.

half mulch
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The sets on one of the ru sample teams, just with kee berry instead of boots since they have maushold

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It's been working pretty well since bulkier stuff gets set up on pretty well with taunt and roost

half mulch
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I’d go taunt tarrak if it’s lead tbf but idk

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# gleaming vault https://pokepast.es/ae447d851030d9a8 mimikyu HO the gengar set was some advice i...

I like this team. Just got a few suggestions:
I think for this team, I think taunt terrak is probably the better choice. WP arma kinda makes you want to keep off rocks as much as possible and means you can flex the ori item.
Tera fairy arma I think is better on this team. Stops bike d-tail, which otherwise heavily hurts your team. Also helps in the bisharp MU which your team does struggle against.
If you are running taunt air slash ori, then you need to run tera steel. Means that umbreon doesn't just beat you and you infact, setup on it. Also since we are making terrak taunt, you can make it kee berry to boost its defense.
For gengar, you honestly want focus blast over sludge bomb. Allows you to hit bike and umbreon really hard while making sure bisharp doesn't clean easily. I think lefties is also not good on gengar for this team. Make it something like colbur or e-belt. You could also change the tera type to fighting, but I'll leave that up to you, since ghost is still a good tera

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This would be the new team

gleaming vault
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Wow tysm

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I was pretty unsure on the arma/oricorio teras so I just went with the first option on the samples cause they seemed fine so ty for that

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The taunt terak to help keep off hazards seems really nice

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Quick question: if oriocorio isn't Tera steel, what causes it to lose the 1v1 vs umbreon? Is it just needing to continually taunt for toxic and roost off foul play meaning its too hard to set up quiver?

whole tulip
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Steel in general is a really good tera type though

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Tera steel also means you don't need to spend turns taunting as often while you are setting up against umbreon, which is a small benefit but a useful one

gleaming vault
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Alr ty for the help

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hey howdy hi, made a team for ru that tries to take advantage of alcremie cm with encore instead of double dance
https://pokepast.es/c24db6e79c05b31e
im not too happy with its results truthfully, but i don't think it went like, terrible either! i reached like 1300 on elo which is good for a terrible player like me lmao

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double rocks on flygon and rachi were because i wanted the extra pressure in exchange for less power as a cleaner (losing stone edge really sucked 😭)

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# half bridge hey howdy hi, made a team for ru that tries to take advantage of alcremie cm wit...

This team isn't horrible since you are trying to work around alcremie. But a few changes need to be made:
Double stealth rocks just isn't good, so you have to pick which one to keep it on. I would say keep it on rachi and make flgyon stone edge.
Wish doesn't really mesh well with this team, since its more offensive in nature. Something like encore, u-turn or healing wish would be better last slot.

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Tera ghost also isn't really good on rachi. Make it tera water or steel ngl

half bridge
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works for me, thanks :)

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rocks was specifically to screw with standard cycl and ghost was literally ONLY to be a spinblock, it sucked in everything it did so im just going water

warm void
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Damn, didn't know begging in comp general was going to work

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BOOM

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BOOM

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BOOM

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BOOM

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BOOM

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5 big booms for ya there you go

warm void
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ty goat

whole tulip
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Only thing would be tera fairy over dragon on slowbro

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Other then that, pretty good stall

warm void
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it's the only thing in my RU builder sofino_nb

whole tulip
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LMFAO

warm void
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i stole it from the NU team bazarr from the beginning of the gen and it's hilariously legal and good in RU

whole tulip
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That's insane

warm void
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every once in a while i load it up and play like shit on RU low ladder yet somehow still win

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anyways enjoy your brief moment of activity RU gamers

whole tulip
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My Ru team

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It's bean working pretty well for me I just want to know any good improvementz

lyric glen
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Heatranator is cooking up a 5 course meal

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Okay, so I will be straight up with you, this team is not good. It seems like you want to go with a webs approach, so we will start from there.
Firstly, lets swap out hoodra, leavanny and cresselia. Hoodra and cresselia aren't bad mons, but they don't fit on webs. Leavanny doesn't have much use case over ribombee, as bee just does it better.
Leavanny we will just replace with bee, you can do quiver dance if you want over stun spore, but let's stick with the standard set for now.
Cresselia we will replace with armarouge. Much more effectively abuses webs, you can decide if you want to go endure or cm, but we will stick with calm mind for now.
Hoodra will be a bit more difficult to replace, but dragon dance salamence will be the main replacement here I think. Just a standard DD set here.

Now, lets fix up the other sets.
Bisharp should not really be using rocks or t-wave, as it sacks the ability to sweep easily. I'll just make it a standard SD set, you can decide on the tera type.
Horoark isn't a bad pokemon, but adrenaline orb is bad on it. Any of colbur, life orb or throat spray if you go with hyper voice will be better. I went with life orb to help its damage output with tera fairy.
Finally, gapdos. Main things was changing knock off to throat chop, and tera type to flying.

https://pokepast.es/2cf9251239387aa8
This would be the new team.

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The link is my team? And I'm always choosing leavany over bee grass coverage but having the option to sweep swords dance is just more good looking to me

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Also I take no hard dealing this was just a rough outline of what I wanted

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Feelings*

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https://pokepast.es/c093042be2427e20

So here's a more worked on edition of the team duraladon is weirdly faster then I thought but slower then most so webs help a lot or I can set up and body press. Items and terra time on Zor and move set different on sharp. the ability on armerough is defence for leavany and I keep fighting talon flame who love willow wisp

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@whole tulip

torn glen
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Got a team that went 4-1 in my pre-test for the suspect test; despite my mainstay being Gardevoir, the test being of Gapdos, and Maushold being my primary sweeper, my play has revolved around Registeel and Suicune with the others supporting/finishing/revenging: https://pokepast.es/4b87d66676b9888c

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# torn glen https://pokepast.es/c093042be2427e20

Okay, so, if you want to use fighting coverage on bisharp, use low kick. A lot of the time its 80-120 bp, which makes it better then brick break. The armarouge set is not good. You can try endure over protect in order to proc weak armour on priority. Psyshock or stored power is also better over psychic. Also use tera fairy, grass or normal on armarouge. Finally, duraludon is just not good. SD rhyperior with rocks would be a good alternative.

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# vestal delta Got a team that went 4-1 in my pre-test for the suspect test; despite my mainsta...

Okay, so I think double scarf on this team isn't really great. You could make one of them band/specs. I think gapdos is better banded then garde specs, but that's up to you. I think slither wing is kinda not amazing here, I think you need a ground type there instead. Krookodile is a much better option with rocks, you could even do taunt or gunk shot last, even make it rocky helmet over lefties here. For regi, if you really want, you can go iron defense over thunder wave, but t-wave is also still good

vestal delta
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My main trepidation with ditching Slither Wing is that I want something with priority. I've found myself needing Priority attacks often enough that I'm very nervous about not having it on a team that isn't heavy on defense.

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Parsing what you said: Were you saying Krookodile with stealth rocks is better than Registeel? Would swapping Slither Wing and Registeel for Krookodile and someone with priority work, then?

whole tulip
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Hm, I would say you can either do one of two things:
1: You swap out slither wing for krookodile and make regi ID over rocks
2: Still swap out slither for krook, but then replace it with something like bisharp

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The second option would probably be better ngl

vestal delta
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Ah, Bisharp. Forgot about him for some reason

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Thanks

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Hm, choice paralysis between taunt and gunk shot

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Gunk hits geezing for good damage, while taunt is really good against defensive mons

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Its honestly up to your choice

vestal delta
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Given that I'll have 2x Knockoff + Trick Gardevoir + three setups (Maus + Bisharp + Suicune)... I think I won't worry too much about needing to overpower defensive mons

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(and I'm losing a tera poison trading out regi, so the gunk shot boost will be nice I guess)

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part of me wants to be a smart-ass and place Thunder Wave on Bisharp in place of Throat Chop or Low Kick

vestal delta
whole tulip
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Yeah, this looks good

vestal delta
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I'll start on a new account for the suspect test... probably tomorrow

vestal delta
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Did the test get changed from gapdos to Illusion?

whole tulip
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yes

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Its now a horoark test

vestal delta
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-_- all that time on a Gapdos team for the test

pine ferry
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@obtuse gyro post the RU team here

obtuse gyro
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Thank you so much

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Went 3-2 with this team, theme is hazard control + endurance until I can find an opportunity to break their walls, then sweep with my two Ghosts. (Them both being Ghosts was a coincidence): https://pokepast.es/0bb42b0cb32bf792

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note: little worried that I'm running ghost/fairy/fighting on both my ghosts

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Thunderbolt, Giga Drain / Energy Ball, Psychic (Noise), and Foul Play / Dark Pulse are all things I'm considering

whole tulip
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I'm also not confident on wish jirachi on this team, but if you want to have it, then I think protect over body slam

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Also volcanion should prob be flamethrower over fire blast

obtuse gyro
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Why Brick break or Thunder punch ?

obtuse gyro
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obtuse gyro
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No problem.

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If we have to change the sets to make them good, then we'll change the sets. Any ideas?

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Dusknoir I think we would have to make custap destiny bond, while bascu we would have to make agility

vestal delta
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I want something Paralysis unless that's a bad idea. Heal Bell / T-Wave Chansey?

vestal delta
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(and volcanion now has flamethrower over fblast)

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though I just realized: I have two recovery moves, two draining moves, and gave Gengar Leftovers, but now Volcanion will be high and dry with no wish support

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...oh, right, Water Absorb aka one of my "screw you rain" options (along with quagsire)

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vestal delta
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Chansey did not work out for me; is there a better choice for bulky status?

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hm... gonna try Magnezone

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yeah just thought the wallbreaking was needed

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new to the tier

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what we think

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(bad)

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very new to comp

spark sapphire
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H-Zoro banned

scenic breach
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pain

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ok

spark sapphire
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We’re gonna get you right so

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Air Slash is a special move so I would get rid of that on Kleavor

scenic breach
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is it?

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oops

spark sapphire
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Band Kleavor isn’t the worst, it’s not orthodox in this meta but that’s fine

scenic breach
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it's a lead

spark sapphire
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Put Wide Lens on Mouse

scenic breach
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free ass stone axe and usually massive damage

spark sapphire
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It’s way outclassed by other offensive leads if it’s Band

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Band Kleav can be a cool wall breaker though

scenic breach
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i typically like the immediate damage

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it kinda serves both purposes

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click stone axe immediately, leave

spark sapphire
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This team doesn’t have the ability to take advantage of that immediate damage

scenic breach
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oh

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My fear is you get jumped by a Jirachi if you’re band instead of scarf

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Most Jirachi’s are like 300ish speed to catch a Kleavor and Iron Head, get the flich and leave it useless

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If you’re scarf you can avoid all that and just u-turn out

scenic breach
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ill band i think

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sash*

spark sapphire
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Just be mindful of Jirachi then

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If they lead Jirachi you have the ability to get rocks up and dish out more damage in total

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You commit a lot when using a choice item

robust pagoda
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I would just play mew full speed here

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I think rh is a good option for Maushold

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Tera ground or normal for arma is better than fire for endure set

vestal delta
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This team had a very troubled development, but I think it's decent enough to at least submit it here for optimization. I call it Choice Run for how it ended with 3/6 choice items + 2/6 priority. https://pokepast.es/dd68015756e44b1d

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(just remembered, one of the choice is also priority; forgot for a moment because I used to use Never-Melt Ice instead of Choice Band)

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My design philosophy was: Screw Rain, Screw Magnezone and Quagsire, Screw enemy setup sweepers, and Screw Stall (Knock Off)

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because those are the biggest threats to my playstyle

vestal delta
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And a go-to I just remembered overlooking (and didn't name in the description): I'm now also wondering if a Bisharp might be useful here.

whole tulip
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Hm, idk about feraligatr here ngl, I think you need some special defense

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I think nmi or LO is better on mamo for this team also

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I think you could maybe go AV slither here

vestal delta
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pivot build, only changing the item?

vestal delta
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Heavy Slam is only for Geezing, right? I think I have enough answers there. Looking at Wild Charge for anti-water/flying, Trailblaze for anti-water and cheeky +speed on low hp / quad weak foes (for speed: beating Barraskewda outside of rain, Cyclizar, and scarves on Gardevoir and Kleavor)

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or Earthquake for some switch-ins I'd rather not touch.

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vestal delta
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unless you really hate quag/gastro
I do, but already swapped to Earthquake when I realized there's not really anything else for it. Since I have 2 EQ, gonna go with the default Heavy Slam

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since I realized I could really use some steel moves

whole tulip
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If you really want to, then heavy slam is a good option

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It also hits gapdos for decent damage I think

vestal delta
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https://pokepast.es/b5f277cf9c98aeb7 So, I may swap between teams a lot, but I often find that my old team stops working for me at some point. This one had some decent success. Originally, it was Bisharp + SD Lucario insted of Entei + CB Gallade, but I decided I'd have better options doing this. Idea is that I have Geezing and Empoleon for stalling, some bulky attack power, and some speedy revenge.

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(also, 2x SC from Lucario + Bisharp felt... redundant). I generally want to have some anti-cheese of multiple priority attacks. I've learned to generally want Espeed (Lucario/Entei) over First Impression (Slither Wing) for how I can then use it in later turns.

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if anyone is underperforming compared to the rest, it's the ironically-named "The Champion" aka Gallade, but I like having a priority move that hits ghosts hard as an answer to Mimikyu, Gallade/Gardevoir, and Gengar. I'd go back to Bisharp except Sucker Punch is a coin toss against the setup sweepers I'd use it against. Would Mimikyu work?

vestal delta
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Upon consideration, I'm also concerned at how little momentum I have. No U-turn/Flip Turn/Volt Switch when I normally like to have at least 2 of those.

whole tulip
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If you really want to, then I think eject button could work on geezing

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I also think the empo set should be swapped for grass knot, specifically because otherwise volcanion destroys this team

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I think mmq over gallade is a good choice

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Gives you a setup sweeper

vestal delta
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Red Card or Life Orb on mimikyu?

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if I pick Life Orb, then I'm probably going Drain Punch over Shadow Claw

vestal delta
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Big things I'm looking at are RP + SR Rhyperior, Jirachi or Azelf (hi, U-turn!), Swampert (hi, flip turn!), or Krookodile.

whole tulip
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I think jirachi is another alterantive on this build if you really want

vestal delta
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ah, while I was waiting I settled on Swampert for Flip Turn + Rocks lol

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okay, reworking

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so, Jolly Mimikyu, Life Orb, max speed/atk, Swords Dance/Drain Punch/Play Rough/Shadow Sneak is in over Gallade. Empoleon loses Ice Beam in favor of Grass Knot because with Gallade gone, I wouldn't have grass coverage.

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oh, currently on Tera Ghost for MMQ. Since I'm ditching Shadow Claw for sustain+coverage, should I go Fighting instead, or keep the boost to Shadow Sneak?

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(or Fairy)

whole tulip
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Tera ghost is a good tera on it, but another option is tera fire if you want to set up on geezing

vestal delta
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ooooooooh, I HATE enemy Geezing

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... but right now, I have two fire types already

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I'll remember that for next time, though

whole tulip
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Yeah

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Tera fighting isn't bad, but idt it would work here

vestal delta
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Thoughts on Arcanine over Entei for Wild Charge and Close Combat?

whole tulip
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Arcanine's only real niche over entei is that it can use boosting moves, and those ones wouldn't use those moves

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If you really want to beat water types, use tera blast grass on entei over something like crunch

vestal delta
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I think Gardevoir + Volcanion are good for fighting Water types. I was thinking of beating. I was thinking of Flying types, but then I remembered there aren't that many

whole tulip
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Those usually don't like taking stone edge or sacred fire tbh

vestal delta
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yeah

dense heath
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https://pokepast.es/3b2b6bf1b118624d
Hello everyone, I would like you to give me your opinions about this team I made and what you would change. One of the things I suffer the most with him at the moment are fairy types, for example, Gardevoir Scarf

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If you want you can make the gastrodon a special wall instead of a physical wall and swap umbreons defensive evs

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Or make gastrodon a registeel

dense heath
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I think gastrodon would be better since I will remain with Electric immunity

spark sapphire
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Good point but what you stop is volt switch since there aren’t a ton of electric types who attack physically

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So once you stop volt switch, it’s a special attacker in on your defensive gastrodon

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So your opponent might just be able to get a lot of value from that interaction even if you predicted their volt switch correctly

dense heath
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Yeah, maybe I'll change the gastrodon to a Special defense It would be a better option since he can withstand fairy attacks, especially from Gardevoir Scarf, and can deal with special attackers that have volt switches or electric attacks

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And I will probably be able to change Umbreon's EVS since doing this with Gastrodon I can have problems with Band Mamoswine even though I have Galar Weezing

spark sapphire
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Yeah for sure

gleaming vault
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any advice?

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originally it was taunt tera steel but changed it to help deal with bisharp/goodra

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do you think taunt tera steel is better in general?

faint panther
gleaming vault
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alr

faint panther
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Oricorio-Pom-Pom @ Kee Berry
Ability: Dancer
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Quiver Dance
  • Air Slash
  • Taunt
  • Roost
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This set is ultra potent on HO

gleaming vault
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whats the evs for?

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Outpacing Timid arma prior to boost, rest in bulk

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Not that it comes up often but I had enough games myself where I'd run slightly less speed and not get to setup before arma comes in and blows me up

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The big speed numbers for ru in the 200s is like
220 for neutral 60s (mag hoodra)
240 for neutral 70s (volc bish)
247 for +2 boosts, to outpace +1 100s (jirachi gapdos salamence)
266 for +2 boosts, to outpace +1 111s (gengar is 110 but same thing, maus is 111)
275 for Timid arma

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So I usually go 247/266/275 on pompom, generally 275 just to be safest

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ah alr thx

vestal delta
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Had some success with this one. Lots of water and fairies. Wasn't by design, but I realized afterwards that it worked out that way: https://pokepast.es/87d4de79d4476ea6

I'm also going a fair bit bulkier than normal for me. Gardevoir and Crawdaunt are the exceptions to my bulky rule, instead of me just having one or two that are bulky.

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I think you do need to drop one of those water types

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Preferably one of suicune or craw I would say

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I also think that pert isn't great on balance teams like this

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Generally gastrodon or quagsire is better

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Since they are much more self sufficient

vestal delta
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Slither Wing or Mimikyu for my new priority user?

whole tulip
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Entei I think would work here

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Gives you another fairy resist

vestal delta
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(as for Swampert, I love it's effects: it does EVERYTHING I want)

whole tulip
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Well, what exactly do you like about pert here?

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Is it pivoting+knock?

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Cause if thats the case, then gligar could be a good option

vestal delta
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pivot + knock + immune to electric

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  • rocks
whole tulip
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Yeah, then I think that gligar could work pretty well here

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I don't like rocks gligar particularly

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But I think it would work better then pert

vestal delta
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It says Toxic and U-turn/Knock Off. Thinking of ditching Toxic for the other two

whole tulip
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You usually ditch one of toxic or knock yeah

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There is something called greed gligar where you drop eq

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But I don't think thats something that should happen often

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As its something that you have to heavily build around

vestal delta
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Yeah, I like the ground coverage, too

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oh, thoughts on the Gardevoir fighting move?

whole tulip
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Thats fine

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I do think with suicune on the team, h-wish might be better though

vestal delta
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(should I change it to Aura Sphere for the acc.)

whole tulip
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Uh, lemme check

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I would say no

vestal delta
whole tulip
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If you want to keep f-blast on, then thats fine

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Just that h-wish has better synergy with suicune

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So the team so far I think is gligar, geezing, suicune, garde, entei, umbreon?

vestal delta
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my playstyle and instincts clash with it

whole tulip
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You could make umbreon another tera since you don't need a fighting or bug resist as much though

vestal delta
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tera poison for 100% toxic, then

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and immunity to it lol

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part of me briefly wondered about reuniclus > suicune for magic guard, recover, and psychic noise... then I remembered pressure + scald + that helpful Substitute

whole tulip
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You wouldn't have any water resists

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If you wanted a psynoise user, then slowbro would be the option

vestal delta
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I've sometimes considered slowbro over suicune, but I think I want Suicune as a way to endure seismic toss

vestal delta
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btw, why do you think swampert doesn't do well on my team style?

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oh, the self-sufficiency; forgot that line

whole tulip
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Yeah, it's not really self sufficient

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Gligar isn't either, but it makes up for that with typing and insane bulk with eviolite

vestal delta
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though I just realized: gligar's attack is trash compared to swampert

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and I sort of liked the damage

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can't deny the bulk, though

whole tulip
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I think with garde, entei and Suicune, the damage part for the team should be fine

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Though if you want to create a seperate swampert team, that is something we can do

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Swampert is best on bulky offense and offense teams, though I would lean more to offense in this case

vestal delta
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ah. Before realizing Bulky Offense is probably my style, I kept going for lighter on defense than this.

whole tulip
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Learning different playstyles is important to understanding the game

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But if you prefer one playstyle, that's also fine

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marble girder
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RU live once more

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I was wondering if there's a better lead than Azelf and a more consistent alternative to hilligant?

whole tulip
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marble girder
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Good to know

whole tulip
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Usually the set is rocks, taunt, endeavour/cc and accelerock

marble girder
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ok

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also is there something like Hlil

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that doesn't miss

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every two attacks?

whole tulip
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Hm

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What exactly did you want hilli for?

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Cause then I can think of a good replacement

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marble girder
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Blob_Sip that sounds smart

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it's mostly there as another sweeper since it is an HO

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but like

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do you think Bisharp and Mence are enough on the phys end?

whole tulip
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Should be yes

whole tulip
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I think a special boosting sweeper would work well here as well

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But I do like hilli for the sucker punch resistance to help with bisharp

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I would for now stick with the altered hili set

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If you find it's not working out, then we can discuss a replacement

marble girder
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alright

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do you think Volc is okay?

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or would a different guy be better in it's slot

whole tulip
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Volc is fine in that slot

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Only other option would be endure armarouge

marble girder
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🤔

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endure weakness policy?

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I'll try it ig

whole tulip
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It helps a lot against opposing HO and offense

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While still being decent against balance playstyles

marble girder
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Sounds kinda cool ngl

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Will def try it

supple fulcrum
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So umm how do you post teams? Do you send a screenshot from showdown?

whole tulip
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!pokepaste

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supple fulcrum
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Cool

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Like that?

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I know i have to change item on mamoswine i just use it as a placeholder normally

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Imma test it

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Oh right nobody plays RU i will never find a match

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Compared to ou

whole tulip
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Just so we can start, what is your competitive Pokemon experience? I.e. how long have you played showdown?

whole tulip
supple fulcrum
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I only played casually honestly

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I would like to keep magnezone and mamoswine in the team if possible

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What pokemon should go from the team?

whole tulip
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Alright, so firstly, I'm going to direct you to the samples. Those are good teams that represent the meta pretty well. Get a feel for them and how they play, maybe even take down some notes. From there, I can help direct your building in a much more productive manner

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!samples

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Whether you're new to a format or competitive Pokémon as a whole, sample teams provide a quick way to pick up a team and play. Sample teams are contributed by community members and have a proven track record of success on ladder or in tours. You can find sample teams for any given format using the /tier command.

If a user has recommended you use a sample team this is not meant as a slight. Creating a successful team can be incredibly difficult without metagame knowledge and experience playing; sample teams reduce the barrier to entry by letting you jump in and start gaining that knowledge.

whole tulip
# vivid root

This should contain most of the resources you need. The top link is the primary one though

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Thanks!

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Im workin on the team

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Replaced mew with galarian zapdos

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Mamoswine is tera fire holds Boots and ability is thick fat

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Magnezone is now assault vest

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Chansey has natural cure

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I think i fixed a bit of it

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Are there some keys threats i should be able to beat?

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Im scared of that fast swift swim fish

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The one that looks like a skewer

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Since i have no water resistance

supple fulcrum
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Umm hello...

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supple fulcrum
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Im not sure on mimikyu and Bisharp being on the team

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The only reason magnezone is tera grass is quagsire i see it everywhere

supple fulcrum
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Umm team update

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Quagsire replaced by a moxie scarfed krookdile with tera fighting double edge close combat crunch and earthquake

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Oh

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I have 4 weak to fighting...

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Dang thats a problem

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Imma test i almost remade it fully

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Tomorrow i will share the fully complete version

vestal delta
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Chansey was originally a rough helmet Slowbro, before I realized I needed Heal Bell.

whole tulip
# supple fulcrum https://pokepast.es/e46d618cab0d1d21

Alright, so some things first:

  1. Magnezone does need to tri attack. It doesn't really hit anything. Replace it with volt switch.
  2. Chnasey doesn't really want grass knot. If you want to run coverage, run shadow ball. Thunder wave is a better utility option.
  3. The bisharp moves are just bad. Main reason you use bisharp is due to sucker punch priority. I would just run a standard set of sucker punch, sd, throat chop and iron head with tera ghost or flying.
  4. Gapdos does not need two fighting moves. If you are using a choice set, then close combat is superior. Run knock off over t-kick. I would also say that scarf is usually better then band on gapdos.
  5. Haze isn't too useful on quagsire. I would run toxic over it to threaten switchins a lot more.
    There are other issues with team comp, but since you are remaking the team, I'll get back to that
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# vestal delta https://pokepast.es/d4634cb53e5deab8 I am not a stall player, but I want to und...

Okay, so with stall, there are a few things.

  1. Any pokemon with unreliable recovery usually isn't good (this is referring to registeel). The main exceptions are pokemon that provide so much more like a-muk and geezing.
  2. Quagsire is almost necessary on stall to not get overrun by setup sweepers. The general core of stall is chansey+quag+dark type+removal.
  3. Getting into more specifics, t-wave is useless on chansey for stall. Make it stealth rock probably. Tera dark I also think is largely better on chansey.
  4. Replace registeel with quagsire ofc. You can make it the standard set but with whirpool or counter over spikes.
  5. Make a-muk rest, knock off, haze, protect.
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  1. Geezing you need to make defog as stall neccesitates some removal rn
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  1. Hippo I would consider replacing with something like slowbro. Scald, slack off, bp and either foul play or psynoise usually good
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  1. Chesnaught needs to be synthesis, leech seed is just way too ureliable
vestal delta
whole tulip
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Body press

vestal delta
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OH

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I was remembering Baton Pass from gen 4 lol

whole tulip
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Dw lol

vestal delta
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drop sludge bomb on geezing? maybe switching poison jab on muk to the fangs thing that badly poisons?

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oh wait, for muk, the complete set overhaul with rest

whole tulip
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Yes

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Also drop sludge bomb on geezing

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This is what a pretty standard stall team is

vestal delta
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rest on geezing? huh. Oh, because Heal Bell?

whole tulip
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Yeah

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Also more reliable

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You can run rest geezing on non heal bell chansey stall

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But you do have to be proactive in burning sleep turns

vestal delta
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sableye... ah, prio encore. A way to screw with EVERY setup sweeper if I can get there in time

whole tulip
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Yes

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Also knock+wisp is good

vestal delta
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heh yeah

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I'll have 3 knocks, and 2 wisps (1 overlap)

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chansey and muk as 2 special defenders, the other four as physical...

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curious, since a lot of my offense teams have had that spread for attackers (barring psyshock)

vestal delta
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so apparently tera fire DD salamence is a thing and that Quagsire slaughters it.

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thanks

supple fulcrum
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quagsire got unaware i made a mistake i fixed it right away

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its already so much better

gleaming vault
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Unaware helps it against setup sweepers

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Also what Hovercat said, spikes is a good option on quag now

vestal delta
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^ next line, that was a typo

supple fulcrum
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I changed it immediately

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Ah

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Okay

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My b

pearl spindle
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OK guys so crazy idea but hear me out. Assault vest quagsire!!! Is it possible??

marble girder
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no

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https://pokepast.es/4f73b2adb09792a3 I tried to base a team around my favorites to see if it would work. It required a little compromise on a couple move sets, but I'm not disappointed

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vestal delta
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also considering swapping Lucario to Adamant since this version's Close Combat is more about wallbreaking than sweeping. And/or removing Close Combat for Mach Punch or dropping Swords Dance for a coverage move like Earthquake

vestal delta
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note: did just change Lucario to Life Orb, found Adamant... not to my taste. I need the speed for Close Combat

vestal delta
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(Would Empoleon, Cyclizar, Jirachi, or some Dragon Dance user fit better?)

whole tulip
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Missed the first one, but I'll look over the second one

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Okay, so there is serious type overlap here. I'm guessing this is trying to make all your favourite pokemon work, but unfortunately idk if it will work. Your armarouge mu in particular seems incredibly poor, with the main answers being gallade and lucario, both of which are unreliable into it.
I'm guessing you are trying to create an offense team? Is that correct?

vestal delta
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offense team, yes

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The core was seeing if I could make a team where Lucario wasn't just plain outclassed by Gallade, when I remembered my plan in a EiPP to abusue priority

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I have a secondary answer to Armarouge in the form of Swampert -> Tera, but that's also not reliable.

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I've faced Arma with this team, and ended up deciding to just do heavy damage to it and finish it off with Lucario

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I've been considering Empoleon as either a sweeper or a Rocks user; would that help with Armarogue in place of Swampert?

whole tulip
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I think what you should do is something like krook over gallade, then replace geezing with something else

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That then could mean swampert is replaced by empoleon

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But then two steel types is a bit awkward

vestal delta
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oh, wait, the 2nd steel type would be Lucario himself. I generally regard him as just being extra frail because of that.

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and I only just now remembered Bisharp as one of my go-tos... but I don't see a spot for them

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Intimidate or Moxie on Krook?

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if I go Meteor Mash on Lucario in place of Bullet Punch, would Agility be good over Swords Dance, since I'm not going to have Gallade for the speed boosting any more?

whole tulip
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This is incredibly fighting weak

vestal delta
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so ditch Empoleon for another sweeper, then?

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or swap Krook to Swampert because 2 waters is less risky?

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huh, I just remembered Reuniclus and Salamence; would one of them be good here, replacing Empoleon?

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Mimikyu for anti-setup and catching enemy ghosts with priority, as well as a new SD sweeper. With Gallade gone, swapped Lucario to Agility to outspeed everything except Barraskewda in the rain

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brought Swampert back for rocks + knock off, specs and Magnet Pull on Magnezone as another anti-rain since --

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Swapping Lucario from Meteor Mash to Crunch

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(to kill Basculegion)

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vestal delta
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chose grass over water to beat up Quagsire and to have an earthquake resist while still beating water