set hazards, spin, then BOOM
#RU Rates
midnight violet
small spruce
that's the plan
midnight violet
it just.... spun around... then BLEW UP!
small spruce
and that just happens sometimes
midnight violet
Too bad there aren't any mechanics that care about recoil damage.
One of these days we'll get a mon or item that gives you boosts when you take recoil damage to make recoil moves good.
midnight violet
and that just happens sometimes
Boutta post my team again once I finish cooking dinner
small spruce
alright
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small spruce
https://pokepast.es/af4ec38cce62b510
politoed's set isn't right you should go back to the one you were using before
same for the overqwil set, we've been over it you need Swords Dance on it
Basculegion also doesn't need Aqua Jet since it will nearly always be faster than anyone on the opposing team
so just run Ice Beam
rest is fine
midnight violet
Yeah I ran into a few matches getting wrecked by dragons
salamence and hisuian goodra
lemme change that
midnight violet
politoed's set isn't right you should go back to the one you were using before
I think my only issue now is politoed dyng
Should I shove rain dance somewhere else?
midnight violet
Yeah I should just not use Politoed unless it runs out
small spruce
and you should win your games in less than 20-30 everytime
midnight violet
Can I give Forretress something to blow up Gengar?
Everybody switches into Gengar so I can't rapid spin hazards away
small spruce
you can use Heavy Slam on it
but gengar lets overqwil setup for free
so you like when gengar is on the field
midnight violet
Do we get better dark moves than Crunch?
small spruce
not really no
midnight violet
at least not physical ones, yeah
half mulch
kinda sorta, throat chop
small spruce
I'd say crunch is still better in most tiers
but you're right throat chop has good niches
midnight violet
I'd say crunch is still better in most tiers
is Power Trick Forretress a good or bad or terrible idea?
half mulch
is Power Trick Forretress a good or bad or terrible idea?
Bad idea
half mulch
Fair. But not a terrible one?
Still terrible, you still lack offensive power
At best it’s an super unreliable gimmick and usually it’s terrible like wonder room and stuff
Maybe power trick could be good if it lasted the entire battle
midnight violet
Nah it would just be to plop Forre down, power trick, then explode with 140 base def counting as attack
small spruce
is Power Trick Forretress a good or bad or terrible idea?
Why would you want to use this move
small spruce
Nah it would just be to plop Forre down, power trick, then explode with 140 base...
Your goal is not to explode and deal damage with Forretress
You want to setup hazard and make sure you don’t have them on your side
small spruce
The damage part will be something the other mons have to do
midnight violet
But everybody's gonna swap into ghost to prevent rapid spin
small spruce
very probably yeah
midnight violet
I am considering spikes or t-spikes over stealth rock as good as rock is
How much per turn is toxic spikes?
small spruce
spikes and rocks are better
midnight violet
Yeah. I was just thinkin' that Overqwil's barb barrage has 100 power if the target is poisoned
grand magnet
Help me 😭
My slowbro team (approved by some others) is on a heavy losing streak
I mean like L after L
It’s BADDDD
half mulch
Help me 😭
send paste first
list out why are you losing and what are you losing to so if we know if its a team issue, skill issue, or both.
i am not a huge expert but maybe its also because a new suspect just started and you are getting smoked by the suspect smurfs.
small spruce
yeah a good number of good players will be on ladder for a few weeks because of the ongoing suspect
if your level is below them it's normal to lose a few more games than usual
grand magnet
@small spruce it’s the team you gave to me, I was on a losing streak but now I’m back on top. Sorry for interrupting lol
grand magnet
lol
midnight violet
What's on the chopping block today?
grand magnet
I even got a slowbro moment sweep today
Anyway here is the team, I added a few little changes: https://pokepast.es/5e873c9eea1e45fd
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grand magnet
Can you guys rate it?
small spruce
What's on the chopping block today?
yanmega is being suspect tested
grand magnet
Poor bug 😢
small spruce
Anyway here is the team, I added a few little changes: https://pokepast.es/5e873...
the elephant not having a STAB move feels very wrong
otherwise it's mostly alright
I would personally use Taunt over Sludge Bomb on volcanion since Sludge Bomb doesn't help you with anything really
small spruce
you break past some of you move bulky checks like chansey or umbreon
grand magnet
Fair.
grand magnet
How much speed investment does umbreon use?
small spruce
none
grand magnet
Oh nice.
So I don’t have to invest much speed investment or is there another threat?
small spruce
the speed you already have on volcanion is good
grand magnet
Really?
I just looked at the EVs on the volcanion smogon thing and said “yes”
Is there any flying type that gets rocks?
small spruce
yes we make optimised spreads for people to use
you can even read the analysis we wrote to learn more about volcanion in RU
grand magnet
Oh nice! Ty!
small spruce
Oh nice! Ty!
you have gligar but that's pretty much it I think
but gligar uses spikes most of the time
grand magnet
Oh lol
midnight violet
Do you swift swim + max speed EVs usually?
grand magnet
But my spike spinner is still forretress
Spinning other spikes/hazards while setting up spikes and giving chip to contact moves with a rocky helm
small spruce
Do you swift swim + max speed EVs usually?
in rain you go 252 speed EVs but a Modest nature
small spruce
Spinning other spikes/hazards while setting up spikes and giving chip to contact...
yeah I was just answering your question above
I didn't reply to the right message lol
grand magnet
Oh lol
midnight violet
And then enough on Politoed to outrun like Hisuian Goodra and friends
grand magnet
I wanna replace copperajah with a flying type
midnight violet
Kilowattrel
grand magnet
That knows rocks
small spruce
And then enough on Politoed to outrun like Hisuian Goodra and friends
pretty much yeah
small spruce
That knows rocks
you don't have to slot rocks and spikes in your team you know
grand magnet
I still want rocks but I also want a flying type
small spruce
one form of hazard is usually more than enough
midnight violet
Rocks/spikes really screw up Sturdy mons
grand magnet
Wait should I run Tera ghost on forretress so no one can rapid spin my spikes or is tera water good?
small spruce
tera ghost is a good idea if hazards are your main gameplan
grand magnet
Brb thanks for the advice I’ll be back soon
small spruce
anytime
grand magnet
I’m back
midnight violet
What abilities does Gengar usually run?
grand magnet
levitate 🗣️🔥
small spruce
gyro ball is enough to destroy gengar
grand magnet
Yeah I have a screen recorded video of a gyro ball 1hko’n to gardevoir
https://pokepast.es/79a7a308b81c6e47
for gligar I wanted to keep it as bulky as possible while outspeeding 252+ crawdaunt and guaranteed 2 shot utility jirachi with EQ
small spruce
see now you have three defensive walls
grand magnet
3?
small spruce
oh the elephant also was invested in defense
well you really really don't need that many
slowbro is enough realistically
grand magnet
Ik but I want hazard stack
small spruce
if we wanted to really optimise the team we could get rid of forretress and gligar
or slowbro and forretress
grand magnet
K what should I replace for gligar? (I want something with a ground immunity)
small spruce
hazard stack is often just chesnaught for spikes, empoleon for rocks and cyclizar for removal
and you got a solid defensive core
grand magnet
Oh mb
grand magnet
It can’t be a slowbro moment without a slowbro
small spruce
well the team doesn't adapt to slowbro well
grand magnet
Or else it’d just be “moment”
small spruce
I can send you teams with slowbro if you want
grand magnet
Ok imma try smth
Brb
I think I done it
A good core with a SlowBro Moment
https://pokepast.es/cf812e5f3576b059 I think I did it
small spruce
why are you putting 4 in SpA on slowbro and cyclizar?
otherwise yes these two go well together
now you need a hazard setter and a fast mon able to take advantage of Terrakion's breaking abilities
something like Entei could be alright since you need a check to fairy types
with like krookodile for rocks
and scarf gardevoir
grand magnet
I think I cooked
Wait nvm I forgot to add my last Mon lol
@small spruce https://pokepast.es/dc0c4d456766e275
small spruce
you don't have hazards which makes the team weird
you did it again
now slowbro looks out of place in that composition
it's basically an Hyper Offense so Slowbro has nothing to do here
and taunt is a bad idea on gardevir since you are locked by the choice scarf you want to be locked on a damaging move and never taunt
use trick instead
small spruce
one year since my first rate here dang
weak flame
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weak flame
is this team good?
Gardevoir and Gallade on the same team seems weird maybe i should put scarf Zapdos-Galar instead of Gallade
weak flame
update: changed feraligatr to cloyster and got better results
and changed Gallade to Zapdos-Galar
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vestal delta
Version 4 of Heavy Offense
https://pokepast.es/aa05029f121cf39d
Modification of the team you gave me before, Rarelyme. Once Yanmega is (probably) banned, would reinstating Gallade be a good option?
small spruce
https://pokepast.es/29d7e9db480df44e
hi this team seems a bit random, these mons don't seem to do anything for one another
this gardevoir set is unviable I'm afraid
and your team is too weak to hazard to have forretress to deal with it all alone
I'm sure cloyster can steal games here and there but you could support it way better than that imo
small spruce
Version 4 of Heavy Offense
https://pokepast.es/aa05029f121cf39d
Modification of ...
what do you mean when you say that terrakion isn't doing much? a suicide lead is pretty straightforward and nearly always does what it has to do
that salamence also doesn't have any sweeping potential, a dragon dance set would be more appropriate here
scarf gallade isn't great since you can just have it but faster thanks to agility and stronger since you can now give it a boosting item like the life orb
vestal delta
what do you mean when you say that terrakion isn't doing much? a suicide lead is...
Re Terakion, I could just be getting outplayed. But before I switched to Salamence, that bug fairy with Electoweb kept wrecking me. I know my Salamence isn't optimal, but I kept just losing to Hippowdon and wanted some more special attacking and resilience against it. For Gallade: I mostly asked because whenever I had Leaf Blade, I'd want Night Slash, and whenever I had Night Slash, I'd want Leaf Blade.
whole tulip
If terrakion is getting up rocks and denying the opponents rocks, then it's doing its job. You already have 3 special attackers, so I would say you can deal with hippo alright. +2 CC from Lucario already heavily chunks hippo and e-quake from mence doesn't make contact (to avoid rocky helmet) while hippo can't do anything back.
The bug/fairy type is ribombee, which I'm guessing is the mon with sticky web. Sticky web is always annoying for HO, but you simply lead terrakion and rock blast it immediately. Lucario and salamence should help in that matchup.
I would say if you want to include gallade on a team, you determine what move you can drop. If you can't deal with psychic types through teammates well, you go with night slash. Otherwise, go leaf blade.
I did try scarf gallade, and it's simply not good. Unlike garde, it doesn't have the utility of trace. I agree with rarelyme that an agility set would be better in that regard, though honestly you would use gallade for its ability to destroy defensive teams.
vestal delta
yeah, I misremembered the move name
I tried a team that drops lucario, but I think the rest of the changes hurt it
any viability of Ballon + Nasty Plot Lucario? I'm reworking it and I realized I could use another special attacker since my new build is Terakion + two of (Gallade, Revavroom, Dragon Dance Salamence)
whole tulip
Nasty plot Lucario is fine, but it's usually outclassed by other special sweepers. It usually runs a set of np, shadow ball, flash cannon and then vacuum wave I think last.
Okay, it runs aura sphere last
I would probably recommend against np Lucario, as again, most other special attackers outclass it. It also really wants life orb as due to its stabs being somewhat low bp, it wants as much damage as possible.
And also cause 115 special attack is only fine, it really wants to pick up ohkos due to its poor bulk
whole tulip
If you want a np sweeper, then one of Gengar or zoroark hisui is good
vestal delta
My Air Balloon Physical Lucario has had some troubles when people save a tera for ghost later
ooh, zoroark, that's always given me headaches
whole tulip
Zoroark is a difficult mon to use at times due to disguise, however, it has a lot of return
vestal delta
and some good resists
zoroark is supposed to be choiced?
need to look up the mechanics of illusion, then
whole tulip
I think np is better for sweeping
Something like this could be a good base
Bisharp I find is a great partner to horoark, as it makes physical walls switch in or lures in fighting types that want to hit it with cc
You can probably add another special sweeper last
whole tulip
need to look up the mechanics of illusion, then
Illusion works by disguising zoroark as the last mon in your party (when you get into battle, it will tell you how to order your team).
There's some more mechanics related to it I believe, so it can be annoying to figure out
vestal delta
just looked it up
I'll swap to NP zoro after this battle
thoughts on taking -5 BP for Bitter Malice to stop enemy sweeps?
whole tulip
I would say no, shadow ball allows you to get some ranges that are better for sweeping and the attack drop doesn't really mean much due to horoark's bad bulk
vestal delta
kk, just seen a lot of it when I see enemy zoro
whole tulip
Its an interesting move, which is why I understand why you asked about it, but its unforunately not worth it
vestal delta
I'm tempted to ditch yanmega from my current team because it's stopped sweeping so much
whole tulip
Yanmega is less so a sweeper, and moreso a cleaner
It doesn't really have OHKO potential really, and more is meant to come in late game in order to pick off targets with speed boost
Though ofc, you can use it early game to pinch holes for teammates
vestal delta
(heh, I've gotten KOs I shouldn't have by attacking first while they buff, THEN protecting for x2 speed)
oh, though from the thing you pasted, Bisharp would be a good replacement for Lucario
whole tulip
I would say keep terrakion as the lead, as somebody who has experimented with kleavor, it isn't really a great lead, as most other leads are also able to get up rocks reliably.
How has garde been working out on the team? I don't really like it on HO, but if its been working out its then that's fine
vestal delta
she thrashed rain teams and dragons
whole tulip
Alright, if its been working well, then keep garde
vestal delta
she's a decent cleaner, and possibly an answer to hippowdon
or, that's how I've used her
though, I only rarely use Healing Wish
very rarely
whole tulip
Healing wish is a very good tool for allowing a teammate to get to full and sweep again, though it can be annoying to recognise when to use it
Lemme just test the team quickly, I think yanmega we might need to drop
vestal delta
I keep finding Yanmega needs the Tera, but I've already used it for someone else
whole tulip
The main issue with yanmega is that its a bit of a tera hog yeah
vestal delta
Armarouge has been finicky for me, but when they work, they WORK
(psyshock is such fun in calm mind duels)
(hello Cresselia and Reuniclus)
whole tulip
Okay, I would say after a game of testing, the team is good. I think honestly gallade might have to be replaced as it frankly didn't feel like it was contributing a whole lot. However, the game was against rain which gallade doesn't do well into, so I'll just ask but how has gallade been performing for you?
Yanmega does feel a bit awkward on this team, but I think you keep it for its ability to outspeed multiple targets
vestal delta
gallade hasn't been the best, but he pulls his weight often enough
whole tulip
You could also go the SD route with gallade, as with garde+yanmega+bisharp is already a lot of speed control
vestal delta
oh, I don't have bisharp yet; still using lucario
whole tulip
I would say use bisharp
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2245483760 Here's the test game
https://pokepast.es/4021bdad7d3451ec Here's the updated team if you need it
vestal delta
hating ribombee again
wanting to go back to agility on gallade for sticky web... but that's so niche
whole tulip
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2245487162 Had another test game, I just don't think gallade is it
This game was way too close for comfort
vestal delta
any ideas for when yanmega gets banned?
whole tulip
I think maybe hisuian lilligant could be a good option for this team
Hmm
I would say ribombee is the next replacement
Quiver dance, bug buzz, moonblast and tera blast ground
Though you can also use psychic noise over bug buzz
https://pokepast.es/1664bb3816bf2bd5 This could probably be good.
https://pokepast.es/42deef4a4ebddf7a And this could be the ribombee version
whole tulip
wanting to go back to agility on gallade for sticky web... but that's so niche
Bisharp is a very big pain for web teams, as defiant allows it to get +2 and it can outspeed with sucker punch
whole tulip
However, if you are going to keep gallade, then you will just have to carefully switch around bisharp and Yanmega
vestal delta
I ditched gallade for hilligant
whole tulip
You can also tera flying on bisharp in order to hit them with iron head
vestal delta
I just took the entire team you posted, the one that still has yanmega
whole tulip
Yeah, see how that team works out
vestal delta
early in testing, but it looks like it's working
vestal delta
there's always a counter -_- Trick Room is a pain
whole tulip
Yeah, trick room unfortunately is kinda an autoloss for HO. The best you can do is sack teammates while Yanmega protects to waste TR turns until it can try to sweep.
Bisharp can also try to help with sucker punch priority, but it's a very bad matchup
tacit mesa
Hello! If I want my team to be rated, I write it in here?
small spruce
yes you can link the team paste and write a couple comments so we understand your thought process behind it
tacit mesa
What do you mean with thought process? An essay about each pokémon? And is this here for Violet?
small spruce
no you don't have to write an essay... just what your starting point was or like what kind of team you wanted to go for stuff like that
it helps rater
tacit mesa
I only have to find out the English names.
whole tulip
If you put them in a pokepaste, it should be translate them
tacit mesa
What is a pokepaste?
whole tulip
Its a website that takes your teams from pokemon showdown and displays there sets in a different webpage
https://pokepast.es/325248ea3409a4fc This would what a team would look like in a pokepaste for example
tacit mesa
ok and what format do I choose there?
whole tulip
This is for Gen 9 RU
In the showdown builder at a team, there should be a link that says "upload to PokePaste"
It will automatically copy your team into a pokepaste
tacit mesa
and then I put the link here from Pokepaste?
tacit mesa
snow cloak, Meowscarada and Miraidon are banned
whole tulip
Um, so what mons do you have on your team?
This sounds more like a vgc team if anything
tacit mesa
Glaceon, Jolteon, Lucario, Vaporeon, Meowscarada, Miradon.
whole tulip
And is this doubles or singles?
tacit mesa
I have no double pokémon.
whole tulip
Doubles means two pokemon from your party are out on the field at the same time
Singles meanwhile means only one pokemon from your party is out on the field
tacit mesa
only if it is a two against two battle
whole tulip
Yeah, that's doubles
https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499 Here's where you can find people to help with doubles teams
This channel is for singles in the RU format, which is the tier below both OU and UU
tacit mesa
But that doesn't make a difference, because I always have the same team.
small spruce
your team isn't legal in the format we are rating here
so this is not the right place for you to be sharing it
tacit mesa
I don't get it, but it doesn't matter.
small spruce
I'd advise you to learn how smogon's tiering system works before sharing teams in this discord
otherwise you will have a hard time finding people able to help you
tacit mesa
Why should I? Pokémon are Pokémon. My team is universal, it doesn't need the right place or group. We don't have to make everything so difficult. But this takes too much time anyway.
whole tulip
If you enjoy your team, then that's fine. However, this channel is for the RU tier, which is created to make sure pokemon that don't have viability in OU or UU can have a place. We rate teams based on that and do that. We cannot help you with your team as snow cloak, mewoscarada and Miraidon are not legal in this format.
Think of it like weight classes in boxing. In order to give a level playing field, they seperate people into them so they can face equally good fighters.
tacit mesa
I don't understand ou and uu.
small spruce
grand magnet
Hi!
spark sapphire
Hey!
pearl spindle
@small spruce hi sorry to bother you again. I just wanted to know if there is any possible way galarean would be good on an offensive volcanion team that you helped me make the other day . Hope you’re doing well. Have a good day.
small spruce
<@688339789644169262> hi sorry to bother you again. I just wanted to know if the...
Hello!
Very kind message thank you. Do you mean Galarian Zapdos?
pearl spindle
Galarian slowbro lol . I know it’s NU but I like that pokemon and i just wanted to know if its usable on a RU team
pearl spindle
Either Toxic or CM variants
Thank you does Glowbro and Volcanion work well on the team together?
spark sapphire
It would just need a lot of support against ground types
spark sapphire
You could put Zapdos-G on the team for physical damage output and Noivern as your hazard removal
pearl spindle
What’s the best Chesnaught set for a defense set?? Or is assault vest good???
spark sapphire
I like Iron Defense Body Press
But spikes is a solid set
Basically if you go AV, you’re getting rid of the utility that makes Chestnaught great
red fossil
What’s the best Chesnaught set for a defense set?? Or is assault vest good???
I wouldn't use AV, chester really wants to run its own recovery and/or spikes
usually you want to run body press, knock, iron defense or spikes, and synthesis
vestal delta
After getting messed up by Trick Room and stall, I decided on backing off the "heavy" on "heavy offense", so how's this team: https://pokepast.es/8a3e75b14798acb3
it went 4-2 in testing
spark sapphire
it went 4-2 in testing
In those two loses did you feel like you lost to anything specific or was it maybe how you played, at first glance this looks like a solid team
vestal delta
One of them was a Krookodile with intimidate when I was on my last mon
switch in, switch out...
there was also some pain with a scarfed slowbrow
(I scarfed it with trick)
another... I think it was haxxy both ways, but I got hit at worse times
spark sapphire
One of them was a Krookodile with intimidate when I was on my last mon
In theory, your arma set wins against Krook and Bisharp too (in a pinch with tera)
vestal delta
oh, just remembered that Banded Crawdaunt is an absolute pain that forced wish spam on jirachi
I did win that one with Conkeldurr + Jirachi, but it was an absolute pain
Was wondering about a defensive Tera on Conkeldurr, then I remembered it's Aqua Jet I often worry about so nvm there
spark sapphire
there was also some pain with a scarfed slowbrow
I’ve been caught out like that before but with Milotic, I think you just need to have the foresight to navigate what you do or if you should even trick slowbro in the first place
vestal delta
so don't scarf slowbrow until I know it's stall and not balance
(any idea why the dex page for Talonflame says tera ghost?)
spark sapphire
Well, it’s a case by case basis, what was that Slowbro outspeeding? Conk?
vestal delta
ah, sorry. I misled you. It didn't outspeed; it just overpowered me.
regenerator woes
spark sapphire
Do you have the replay of that? I kinda wanna see what happened
vestal delta
I don't, sorry
but slowbrow was the cleaner at the end
bulky enough to endure a hit, then retreat
well, cleaner-like
Well, I'm not sure how to really describe it. But it finished me off after I was weakened
spark sapphire
Right, no I get ya, it might just have been the plays you made rather than an actual flaw within the team
vestal delta
yeah
I just remembered
I burned it
so I had some trouble flinching it with jirachi
vestal delta
garde: spam moonblast with tera?
I think I've been a little too conservative with Arma; I keep worrying about a priority revenge kill (Crawdaunt)
spark sapphire
garde: spam moonblast with tera?
If you’re positioned to get the most value doing that, then yes, I noticed it helps a lot not to exactly think about the problem in front of me but to try and see what the best course of action to get back on the offensive is or deal the most damage with a combination of mons
vestal delta
come to think of it, slowbrow and crawdaunt gave me the most trouble
so Water is my big trouble
spark sapphire
I think I've been a little too conservative with Arma; I keep worrying about a p...
Craw is definitely scary
vestal delta
Craw is definitely scary
I need to check relative to Mach Punch
spark sapphire
Well Craw is always going to be scary
I like Craw in this tier, anyways
It’s biggest weakness is its speed
It’s incredibly hard to switch into, unless you have a Wo-Chien or something
So if you see a Craw, you might have to play more aggressively to limit Crawdaunt’s power
vestal delta
at least I was able to basically force a weaker aqua jet into someone who could take 2 banded jets
though it swapping in on -1 or -2 Def Conk did NOT help Conk
though I have noticed that I can actually do better against Hippowdon than any team I've used before
spark sapphire
Yeah, that’s good, if it can do well against a common defensive staple then it’s a solid team
vestal delta
so, should I swap tera ghost on talonflame?
like, I have no idea why I have that other than "the dex said so"
spark sapphire
If you want, ghost is there because it covers most of Talon’s weaknesses
Without sacrificing too much
vestal delta
weak to water is why it doesn't go Ground, then?
I'd love to be able to eat a T-wave or Thunderbolt
spark sapphire
Well, that’s up to you
Again, Ghost is there because it covers most of its weaknesses
vestal delta
I'll try and keep an eye on how often I wish for electric immune vs ghost's power
spark sapphire
Yeah for sure
spark sapphire
At this stage, I would say save your replays
After each battle
And be honest with yourself about the outcome, if it was your play or legitimately a problem with the team, if you lose try and see what you could have done differently with the team you have
Because you expressed your concerns with Craw and Slowbro but you honestly have an answer to both of them
vestal delta
and did beat craw, 50% vs slowbro
Then going forward and pending further data, I'm regarding it as "less strong" against some things that I need to be careful against
and if I fail to be careful, 100% on me. Pretty sure my losses were both that
spark sapphire
Each team is going to have it’s strengths and weaknesses, I say it’s only a problem if you repeatedly lose to something no matter how you adjust your strategy to it
I’m saying like, it’s an auto loss when you see it at preview that’s when it’s a team problem
But, if you dread seeing it and it causes problems but you have won before, then… you can do it, you’ll be smart enough to win against it if you won before
vestal delta
hm, from what I've seen in other teams, I could see some problems with volcanion. Though Gardevoir and Conk seem like they could be answers, or armarouge as a soft check
do you agree with that assessment?
spark sapphire
Volc is a problem, yes
vestal delta
*arma as long as it stays endure + weakness policy
part of me really wants a water resist, then
spark sapphire
Arma really is your only answer to it then
spark sapphire
part of me really wants a water resist, then
Let me think for a sec, because I want one too at this point
vestal delta
Okay. I've got to go to sleep; I'll check this after I get up
(I'm up an hour later than I wanted lol)
spark sapphire
It’s 2am for me… we’ll get back to this in the morning yeah
vestal delta
one quick thing before I really sign off: Volcanion. Eats water, and Tera out of Water to use Earth Power on electric. If I go unorthodox and go Tera Grass with Tera Blast, then I can demolish Quagsire and Gastrodon, who both otherwise give me some trouble
(if I replace Armarogue, that is)
spark sapphire
Ahhhh well
You’re going to demolish Quag without Tera Grass
It’s sp def simply isn’t good enough to handle Volc, and most of them are unaware
And for Gastro, your physical breakers can break through it for sure, Gastros are usually sp def in RU
However I wouldn’t worry too much about Gastrodon yet
whole tulip
After getting messed up by Trick Room and stall, I decided on backing off the "h...
This team looks fine enough
Main issue with it is no water resist/type
I would probably say tera water for rachi and tera grass for armarouge
Otherwise, this team is solid
Only other thing would be replacing arma with something like volcanion, agility herscu or suicune
Maybe you honestly also swap out wish for encore or u-turn on rachi
vestal delta
okay, teras changed. Wish has saved me often enough on rachi that I'm hesistant to swap that one. But what's herscu? I'm not familiar with that nickname
whole tulip
okay, teras changed. Wish has saved me often enough on rachi that I'm hesistant ...
That's basculegion female
vestal delta
ah, "her" for ... I get it
I'll look into alternates with those three
is there a particularly good Volcanion combo? Looking at Body Press + Earth Power or Sludge Bomb, but I've come to realize that when the Dex gives the same move (Taunt in this case) after a / multiple times, it means pick that move + one of the others
whole tulip
I would say taunt+body press is the best
Mainly because it does a lot better into defensive teams
Sludge bomb is a very niche option
vestal delta
okay, I have four teams now. One with just the swapped teras, and one with each of the three mons (volcanion, suicune, basculegion-f) replacing armarogue
and I'll try and track how they do
vestal delta
I look forward to being able to sneer at crawdaunt with tera dark volcanion
(and at slowbrow)
(actually, I don't have anything supereffective vs slowbrow, so I'll have to choose someone else to fight him)
well, volcanion doesn't have anything SE vs him
vestal delta
how long does a replay last when it's uploaded for sharing?
whole tulip
If its uploaded for sharing, forever
However, non uploaded lasts about 15 minutes I think
vestal delta
okay, so when I get 10 games with each team, I can review them at my leisure. Once I make sure to copy the links, that is
(and download them)
whole tulip
Yeah, that's a good practice to do
vestal delta
I'm 5-4 with volcanion team right now
3.5 losses were my fault
Didn't deserve one of the wins, and another I got lucky early
and now 6-4
What I've learned from 10 matches: I have a problem letting people set up on me if I think I can wear them down, I need to go for Taunt and pressing the attack against setup mons, if someone has two moves of the same type then I may miss the second one, and Talonflame + Jirachi are definitely mostly supports.
And: DDance Salamence with all lof Dragon Claw, Dual Wingbeat, and Earthquake thrashes me if it Teras to Steel. Forgot that I used to run that exact set back in Yanmega's days.
any advice for beating that guy?
because talonflame dies fast if it gets that DDance in.
whole tulip
And: DDance Salamence with all lof Dragon Claw, Dual Wingbeat, and Earthquake th...
Main way would be to get in talon, try to burn it, potentially sacking it. Another way is to tera bisharp on the e-quake then try to sweep
DD mence can be really annoying
Another thing is force it to tera steel, then revenge with conk
vestal delta
at one boost, it outspeeds talonflame
Ah, right, conkeldurr. I'll need to review that loss and see if they didn't take out conk first
okay, yeah, it used dual wingbeat while conk was in. Should have swapped
and before it tera'd
on the gardevoir revenge kill, it danced and turned to steel
two ways I could have done that: scarf it with Trick or take the 85% chance of will-o-wisp
probably would have won if I had
vestal delta
wrote down notes on each game right after playing it
another thing I learned to fear: scarf krookodile
Earthquake shreds me if I lose Talonflame to a stone edge early and don't have a tera flying for bisharp
hm, though water jirachi can survive, too
vestal delta
I'm conflicted. I went 6-4 with Volcanion, but most of the losses were just plain my fault
While I went 7-3 with Suicune but the losses were less my fault
spark sapphire
If u ever need help with replay review, I got ya
vestal delta
pasting both teams
Suicune: https://pokepast.es/0ee3cd49bfbd2624
and Volcanion: https://pokepast.es/129e7233c43dd029
A volcanion loss, to Salamence: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2262143039
My main thought: called the Dragon Dance poorly
spark sapphire
Suicune: https://pokepast.es/0ee3cd49bfbd2624
Wouldn’t hurt to optimize the suicune evs, would you suggest HP/SPEED Max/Max @whole tulip?
I usually want some Sp Def
spark sapphire
By what
vestal delta
actually I don't remember
spark sapphire
I like the Suicune team a lot
vestal delta
oh right, it wasn't bisharp
it was zoroark DISGUISED AS bisharp
in the heat of the moment, I thought I'd taken out the zoroark
spark sapphire
I mean, you can see how you feel with evs it’s just, the extra bulk either in Def or Sp def can make Suicune that much more of a nuisance
vestal delta
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2264317484
Lost this one; forgot Zorark was Scarfed (outsped Talonflame). Not sure if saccing Bisharp was the right move or not
still have a basculegion-f to do, as well as comparing it to armarogue with Tera Grass (I expect that one to not do well)
spark sapphire
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2264317484
Lost this one; forgot Zorar...
I’ll give my full thoughts on this tomorrow when I wake up, there’s a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about
spark sapphire
Like Turn 12 what was your thought process behind the sucker punch
spark sapphire
Right but what would be the difference in Sucker Punch vs Night Slash
spark sapphire
Yeah Chop
spark sapphire
Well I haven’t looked at the rest but damage on bish shouldn’t of been much of a factor
spark sapphire
Right, it’s perfect though, means we have room for improvement play wise
vestal delta
should have tera'd conk after saccing someone
then swapped out and healing wish
not used gardevoir, since I knew they were scarfed
spark sapphire
I’ll let ya know what I see when I wake up, I mean, it’s great that you’re willing to improve and you did do stuff well also
vestal delta
re: liking suicune, Heatrantor suggested all three of the changes I'm testing: volcanion, suicune, and basculegion-f
(if another rater comes online, I'll be back in a couple hours)
whole tulip
Wouldn’t hurt to optimize the suicune evs, would you suggest HP/SPEED Max/Max <@...
Usually you should go enough evs for 404 hp, and then you can either go more HP or put in another stat
Max speed though i think is essential
Means that you can threaten a lot more things with scald
I'll check the replays and teams in about 30 mins probably cause I'm a bit busy rn
whole tulip
Usually you should go enough evs for 404 hp, and then you can either go more HP ...
Okay, nevermind, you need 252 evs in HP to get 404 hp. Sad
Sp.defense is really nice, but 404 substitutes mean you can easily beat chansey
Maybe you could drop speed a bit
Faster then armarouge definetely
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpD / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Protect
Something like this might be good
Your outspeed by slither, specs garde and specs basc
But that's probably worth it
whole tulip
A volcanion loss, to Salamence: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-226214...
I think the big misplay was staying in on krook with garde. It was a big threat to the opposing team
And ngl, tera garde wasn't really the best there, moonblast with without tera eviscerated the team. tera flying bisharp could do a lot
whole tulip
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ru-2264317484
Lost this one; forgot Zorar...
I think once tentacruel came in, you should have switched to bisharp probably. Suicune wasn't making any progress and you could healing wish it back up
And the sucker punch was def a misplay as angel said
vestal delta
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 80 SpD...
changed
vestal delta
I think once tentacruel came in, you should have switched to bisharp probably. S...
I think I got hung up on out-defending it and hoping for a scald burn to wear it down
but in retrospect, I should have remembered that tentacruel's more bulky, not a heavy hitter
whole tulip
Yeah
azure scaffold
Faster then armarouge definetely
I like faster than gyara but ig doesn't really matter as much since it's dding anyway
Threatening scald 1st can be big tho
pearl spindle
Hi guys what’s a good Noivern Defog set/ spread
half mulch
Hi guys what’s a good Noivern Defog set/ spread
wrong channel
also just google "noivern smogon" Worked for me
and click on smogdex
they got sets for the viable mons
whole tulip
Hi guys what’s a good Noivern Defog set/ spread
I'm guessing this isn't for RU (cause the wrong channel comment) but max speed with timid is always necessary and then you can either go max special attack or max hp
Roost, draco, defog and then any of flamethrower, super fang, taunt, psychic noise or u-turn last
marble girder
https://pokepast.es/1134f818b18394ca
I tried creating a VoltTurn team but was wondering if I should swap out Slitherwing for a Choice Scarf Mienshao/Gapdos, replace Suicune with Gengar or Hisuian Zoroark, or choose a different lead (maybe Swampert?). Any other feedback would also be nice.
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spark sapphire
https://pokepast.es/1134f818b18394ca
I tried creating a VoltTurn team but was wo...
I would suggest a scarf zap, this team seems really ground weak
That would be a start
Fighting weak as well
I’m not confident in our volt switch users since Thundy is gone I think a double u-turn dynamic is much more feasible
marble girder
yeah the only decent volt switch user I could find was Mag
spark sapphire
I like the core of your Jirachi, Wing, and Cyc
marble girder
Who would you suggest swapping Gapdos in for then?
spark sapphire
Well, I think there’s a way to create something similar without gapdos
I’ll shoot you back another team in a few hours unless someone wants to me suggest some stuff for me, I’m at work rn
marble girder
Ok ty!
spark sapphire
Ok ty!
https://pokepast.es/e0946182a713e6d2 k so these are some edits I made off the top of my head, I'm going to try and get some games with it later to make any adjustments but before I do that is there anything you want me to change about this team
marble girder
https://pokepast.es/e0946182a713e6d2 k so these are some edits I made off the to...
So I'm by no means good at this game but I've noticed the team seems to struggle with Volcanion
🤔
spark sapphire
Even with Suicune?
spark sapphire
Oh it’s the set that’s blanked by volc
spark sapphire
Hmm
Try scarf garde
There’s like 7 billion different changes I want to make but I almost feel RU is a bit samesy sometimes even since Yanmega left
Neither here nor there, we’ll make adjustments
marble girder
Try scarf garde
in place of Sucine?
spark sapphire
mhmm
marble girder
👍
marble girder
That could work as well
faint panther
https://pokepast.es/006e37f926469146
@spark sapphire thoughts
spark sapphire
https://pokepast.es/006e37f926469146
<@187409250375565314> thoughts
Based Bronzong, probably the only thing is maybe have a 2nd hazard remover to support typh but that’s about it, I’ll take a closer look on my lunch probs
vestal delta
Only other thing would be replacing arma with something like volcanion, agility ...
bringing this back up: I went 6-4 with Volcanion (losses mostly my fault), 6-4 with Basculegion-F (some misplays, that turned a check to my team into a counter, some major misplays), and 7-3 with the team involving this one. And Suicune got used a lot more than Volcanion, and that a lot more than Basculegion-F. So, very grateful for that suggestion.
marble girder
bringing this back up: I went 6-4 with Volcanion (losses mostly my fault), 6-4 w...
I’ve played you on ladder
vestal delta
I recognize your username
spark sapphire
in place of Sucine?
https://pokepast.es/852797884bf6da5a try this actually
marble girder
https://pokepast.es/852797884bf6da5a try this actually
oki doki
vestal delta
I was the one messing around with Armarouge/Mimikyu
The stored power set? That was horrifying to go up against.
marble girder
The stored power set? That was horrifying to go up against.
It was the stored power weakness policy set
marble girder
https://pokepast.es/852797884bf6da5a try this actually
Do you think encore is the play over body slam?
🤔
spark sapphire
If you want slam replace u-turn
spark sapphire
Rare Angel fast response
faint panther
I hope your employer lets you take that lunch break soon..
spark sapphire
I hope your employer lets you take that lunch break soon..
I forgor my computer
glass talon
https://pokepast.es/e0946182a713e6d2 k so these are some edits I made off the to...
Can you tell me a really good team for me to do in RU until gen 8?
I'm a bit of a beginner
spark sapphire
I only know current gen…
I can grab some teams from RUWC however, I don’t know if they’re good
whole tulip
Can you tell me a really good team for me to do in RU until gen 8?
https://pokepast.es/46db4589d04a066c
This is really just a slightly modified sample team (bp on pangoro and s-ball on vapo), but uhh, it did win me a game in a tourney.
glass talon
https://pokepast.es/46db4589d04a066c
This is really just a slightly modified sam...
thanks for spending a team
I'm going to play some "ranked" matches in a pokemon game and the tier is RU and it only has up to gen8
and as I'm very young I don't know what's strong and what's not
glass talon
https://pokepast.es/46db4589d04a066c
This is really just a slightly modified sam...
my friend wants to make a team for RU with gengar in the same style (up to gen8) do you know any?
spark sapphire
We would love to but sadly Gengar can’t be used in RU unless it’s Gen 9 RU, I believe
soft adder
Hello all, jumping back into the RU tier after some time and would like help on this hazard stack team. Any feedback would be appreciated. https://pokepast.es/057648c78aa3cd12
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spark sapphire
Hello all, jumping back into the RU tier after some time and would like help on ...
From first glance it seems solid enough but it doesn’t have any hard hitting speed control
I like the air balloon Terrak and taunt Cyc
I’ve lost to a well positioned cyc in late game though so it might but be the biggest problem but something to be aware of
soft adder
From first glance it seems solid enough but it doesn’t have any hard hitting spe...
That I can resolve with giving scarf to roark
Should I have another regen mon to compliment cyclizar?
spark sapphire
That I can resolve with giving scarf to roark
For sure, see what you prefer, because sometimes Scarf Zoro can feel underwhelming
spark sapphire
Should I have another regen mon to compliment cyclizar?
Not necessarily
soft adder
For sure, see what you prefer, because sometimes Scarf Zoro can feel underwhelmi...
What else would be good for speed control? And to also spinblock?
spark sapphire
What else would be good for speed control? And to also spinblock?
Scarf F-Bascu perhaps
spark sapphire
I like the team though don’t get me wrong
But that’s the only problem I can pick out at first glance
soft adder
I like the team though don’t get me wrong
I appreciate it. I modeled it to be similar to my hazard stack team in OU
soft adder
But that’s the only problem I can pick out at first glance
I made the change. Seems good, but I am concerned I am weak to foretress
I will test it out
spark sapphire
How so, forre gets shredded by any sp atk
soft adder
Can I ask your help with another team I built, a HO team? @spark sapphire
spark sapphire
Of course!
soft adder
How so, forre gets shredded by any sp atk
Oh lol. Sorry, quite inexperienced with some of these mons
soft adder
Of course!
Thanks! Here it is https://pokepast.es/16a75211e0b2bedd
spark sapphire
Thanks! Here it is https://pokepast.es/16a75211e0b2bedd
Uhh
With the Krook
Make it focus sash if it’s ho
And consider bulldoze instead of earthquake to get the edge on other offensive leads by slowing them down
Leftovers Krook on HO should be bulk up scale shot instead of suicide lead
With the Zoro
Go with Throat Spray and replace trick with Agility or Nasty Plot
Mew, Conk, and Gyara are good to go
soft adder
About the Zoro, I was thinking of swapping it with scarf Gardevoir for trick and healing wish capability
spark sapphire
About the Zoro, I was thinking of swapping it with scarf Gardevoir for trick and...
Never a bad idea on ho
Helps you manage rain
Never a bad idea in general
soft adder
Yeah, another element to work with, because I have mew as a set up sp atk-er
spark sapphire
Yeah I would say go for it
soft adder
Yeah I would say go for it
Right on, and vroom is good?
spark sapphire
Yeah Vroom set is money
soft adder
Hell yeah, greatly appreciate your help! Will test these changes. Thanks again
soft adder
Yeah no worries, feel free to express any critiques you notice
Will do!
whole tulip
Looks like angel got to this before me, but yeah, this all looks good
spark sapphire
Rare fast Angel response
whole tulip
Lol
Only thing would be to make gyara t-blast flying over E-quake, as I've found otherwise it's a bit too weak/stonewalled by important mons. Also helps with ches which can be annoying for this team if it teras at the right moment
Gyarados @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Moxie
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 176 HP / 96 Atk / 24 Def / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Tera Blast
- Rest
Chesto Resto is also a good option on gyara
soft adder
Only thing would be to make gyara t-blast flying over E-quake, as I've found oth...
This is good to know. I will make the tera change and add tera blast. Will change evs as well.
I will hang on to taunt tho for the time being
whole tulip
Taunt is a fine option on gyara
soft adder
Thanks for the advice
zinc mulch
https://pokepast.es/cfeff529da9d4cff
Gen 6 RU help me improve dark MU. Though I really want my Glalie and my fire-water-grass core kept
@whole tulip @spark sapphire ru guys rating past gens RU?
small spruce
replace uxie with registeel and you should be good to go
the mu against drap is ok
and regi will help against sneasel
zinc mulch
Is my opposing Flygon MU fine?
zinc mulch
and regi will help against sneasel
Oh ya forgot to consider that
small spruce
registeel will also help against sp attackers
zinc mulch
gastro should deal with it
Idk if it's enough though but yea thanks
small spruce
you can slot ice beam over earth power if you want
zinc mulch
you can slot ice beam over earth power if you want
Btw why does Registeel has 24 SpA on smogset?
If it can only run Seismic toss?
small spruce
these EVs are to break braviary's sub with thunderbolt
which you can slot over protect
small spruce
yes
zinc mulch
Aight thanks
zinc mulch
https://pokepast.es/cfeff529da9d4cff
Gen 6 RU help me improve dark MU. Though I...
@whole tulip I already replaced Uxie for Registeel, but that makes my Virizion MU shaky, how can I improve it?
@small spruce
azure scaffold
I'm not a oras ruer but defog on spikes always feels like iffy to me
U could prolly go Scarf gon + smtg else over mowtom
zinc mulch
U could prolly go Scarf gon + smtg else over mowtom
My core includes mowtom though, but I agree on the defog on spikes
Tbh my team is a bit fast paced and I don't think Registeel really fits here
I wanna fit something like a ghost type to spin block though
azure scaffold
Tho ig
zinc mulch
Or maybe just remove spikes overall
azure scaffold
U have glalie and doom so u do need removal
zinc mulch
Yah, I like Bulky gon here
Or just go Blastoise > Gastrodon lol and drop Registeel for another mon
Then proceed on scarf Gon
zinc mulch
U have glalie and doom so u do need removal
What if this https://pokepast.es/f29b58765f2bfb3e
whole tulip
Roar over ice beam on Blastoise, so it can phase out scrafty if it switches in
Also works well with spikes
zinc mulch
Roar over ice beam on Blastoise, so it can phase out scrafty if it switches in
Aight, I changed Registeel for Bronzong, just a secondary answer to Virizion variants
whole tulip
Yeah, that's definitely a good option
zinc mulch
Aight thanks
glass talon
Does anyone have a team with goodra? yes goodra... my friend likes this pokemon and really wants to use it in RU
dire elbow
soft adder
Hello all, was in here a couple of days ago asking for advice on a HO team I recently built. With the tier shifts occuring and half of my team going to UU, I made changes. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! https://pokepast.es/a8922e42ca575cd2
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whole tulip
Okay, so you def need another special attacker
Entei I think is def the most replaceable (choice locked mons on HO aren't usually great besides garde)
Volcanion, cm raikou, np horoark could all work here
vestal delta
https://pokepast.es/bd204ece0f5324a9
This team has been sort-of here before, but got a problem with Magnezone that makes that one enemy a pain to play around.
thanks in advance
whole tulip
Well, you need to replace conk with something since its now gone
vestal delta
oh?
whole tulip
Tier shifts (I'm sad that conk is gone)
vestal delta
for the ground type. I was looking into a tera, but now that I know I have to get rid of Conk...
whole tulip
Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 196 SpD / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Something like this imo
If you want to go more defensive, then you could use rocks gastro and replace rocks on rachi with u-turn
vestal delta
I'm curious about the Tera and why Megahorn specifically
whole tulip
Tera dragon is a good general defensive type since it resists both grass and water
Megahorn slams slowbro, which can sometimes take a hit from it
Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 180 SpD / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Run this ev spread
vestal delta
and then ditch jirachi?
whole tulip
16 attack is the jump point
whole tulip
and then ditch jirachi?
This is instead of conk
Rachi works fine here
You can imo either go rocks on rhyperior and put on u-turn for rachi
Or keep rocks on rachi and go megahorn
vestal delta
hm. I just lost a heavy hitter vs Slowbrow... but I still have Trick Gardevoir and Throat Chop Bisharp, so I think I can make do without too much overkill vs slowbrow?
whole tulip
Well, sd rhyperior hits slowbro really hard
+2 16+ Atk Rhyperior Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 346-408 (87.8 - 103.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
This is why I like megahorn
Slowbro cannot switch in at all
+2 16+ Atk Rhyperior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 216-255 (54.8 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
But if you don't use megahorn
Slowbro isn't too comfortable switching in
vestal delta
okay, going for Megahorn, then
ooh, revavroom is out
that was annoying to make sure I got it with will-o-wisp in time
hey, we got Mamoswine, right?
wait, freeze-dry is special never mind
soft adder
Entei I think is def the most replaceable (choice locked mons on HO aren't usual...
Do you mean Zygarde?
whole tulip
Do you mean Zygarde?
?
soft adder
Volcanion, cm raikou, np horoark could all work here
Cool I will look and see who is best. Would Suicune work, since it now moved it's way up into the RU tier?
vestal delta
Cool I will look and see who is best. Would Suicune work, since it now moved it'...
(wasn't it already NUBL?)
whole tulip
Cool I will look and see who is best. Would Suicune work, since it now moved it'...
Suicune isn't really good on HO
soft adder
(wasn't it already NUBL?)
It moved up to RU now
whole tulip
In your message, you mentioned that cb mons are not great on HO and i saw garde
Garde is fine on HO because it can do well against a lot of HO's typical matchups (stuff like rain). But usually choice locked mons just let in something that can set up on them
soft adder
Garde is fine on HO because it can do well against a lot of HO's typical matchup...
OHHHHH Gardevoir lollll, my bad
vestal delta
Garde is fine on HO because it can do well against a lot of HO's typical matchup...
I've been tempted to name my Gardevoir "Screw Rain"
whole tulip
Yeah, I meant gardevoir
whole tulip
I've been tempted to name my Gardevoir "Screw Rain"
lmao
soft adder
Yeah, I meant gardevoir
I thought you meant zygarde lmaooooo
soft adder
I've been tempted to name my Gardevoir "Screw Rain"
Solid haha
vestal delta
I mean, it's one of Gardevoir's biggest uses for me
soft adder
@whole tulip so between volc, raikou and zoroark-h, which would work best on my team?
vestal delta
along with revenge killing and beating up any fighting/dragon/poison the enemy has not named "scarf gengar"
soft adder
I mean, it's one of Gardevoir's biggest uses for me
It counters rain really well?
vestal delta
It counters rain really well?
high speed and special attack. Scarf + copy Swift Swim = outspeed anyone
I've even outsped barraskewda
soft adder
high speed and special attack. Scarf + copy Swift Swim = outspeed anyone
Oh snap eh, yeah trace is gnarly
whole tulip
<@750853745864212642> so between volc, raikou and zoroark-h, which would work be...
Well, I think volc is the first one out since you already have garde for rain. Raikou can be a bit weak even at +1 at times. I would say that zoroark-h is best. It benefits from maushold removing hazards to keep its disguise
Then again, you can try any of them and they will prob work
The horoark set would probably be either np or agility with throat spray/lo I think
soft adder
I'll give it a try, thanks!
whole tulip
Np
vestal delta
how often are tiering changes, again?
vestal delta
so, quarterly then. Okay
whole tulip
Earlier in the gen they are every month
vestal delta
oh, new gen coming out soon?
whole tulip
oh, new gen coming out soon?
Prob not
vestal delta
okay, mind was jumping all over the place
thinking of also trying a mamoswine build over the rhyperior, sort of like when I did the volcanion/suicune/other test
glass talon
I wanted to know if anyone has a stall team for RU gen 8
glass talon
No problem friend, it's great... I exchange some pokemons that are banned for others.
I just needed a “start”... thank you very much
lethal basalt
Hi, I was just wondering if I could ask of a review of my teams:
https://pokepast.es/e46901f922c12aff - Salamence (HO)
https://pokepast.es/632cde9c17f49c06 - Mamoswine (Offense)
I'm not sure to use, so please let me know if only one team can be reviewed
vivid rootBOT
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whole tulip
Hi, I was just wondering if I could ask of a review of my teams:
https://pokepas...
We can rate both.
The first team I think is fine. I think you should replace boots on mence for lum though, as you have maushold and lum is generally better on HO mence.
For the second team, I think some things could be improved. Fezandipiti I think you should run alluring voice and u-turn on it. Alluring voice helps beat suicune, which looks annoying for this team if it can get a sub up (tera ghost suicune while rare, looks really good into it). U-turn is mainly because it helps get mamo in on the steel types that fez forces. I'm also not really sold on maushold for this team, It isn't really bad persay, but I think for this team you don't need removal. You could use something like scarf horoark in that slot.
Actually, for the first team, I think you might be better going endure armarouge. Gives you an anti cheese option
@lethal basalt lemme know if you need anymore help (I will be going to bed soon, so I'll respond as soon as I'm awake)
lethal basalt
We can rate both.
The first team I think is fine. I think you should replace boo...
Thank you for your help at such short notice, I just have a few questions
Would maushold be ok for the first team?
Reason is because tidy up clears my teams's hazards, which could leave a fainted terrakion lead in vain tor the first team
As for the second team, which position should I put hisui zoroark in to take advantage of illusion? (Maybe put it behind Mamoswine and Jirachi to be immune to Fighting and Ghost attacks)
Get a good's night sleep!
whole tulip
I would say maushold is fine on the first team. It gives you an option if you really need to get off hazards.
For horoark, I'd say in battle you would want to put mamoswine or jirachi last yeah
lethal basalt
I would say maushold is fine on the first team. It gives you an option if you re...
I see
Thank you for your help
whole tulip
Np
lethal basalt
Sorry got another question
For the first team you mentioned that the endure armarouge one, you mentioned that he would be great for anti-cheese?
What do you mean by that?
whole tulip
Well, anti-cheese is a bit hard to define, but usually it means something along the lines of preventing some random sweeper/strategy from sweeping you. Think along the lines of a random dd sweeper or something like rain as more 'cheese'
lethal basalt
Well, anti-cheese is a bit hard to define, but usually it means something along ...
Got it
For some reason I thought cheese is like accuracy dropping like mud-slap
lethal basalt
That is what we call evil
Tbf, to them a win is a win
vestal delta
https://pokepast.es/5b315d0f58f65d62
So, back when I had Jirachi as a stealth rocks lead, I suffered pain against Hazards + ... is it Phazing? The thing with Roar and Whirlwind... as well as against Rain, since Suicune wasn't able to return much damage against them. So, I swapped Jirachi for Ninetales-Alola. Got a few changes I'm mulling over in my head. Not sure if I need more self-healing like Roost or the now-gone Jirachi's Wish.
whole tulip
It's called phazing, yes (pseudo hazing is where it comes from)
Idk if a-tales fits great on this team ngl
If you really want to use it however, you almost always have to use an np set (usually np, ice stab, tera blast ground, encore)
You could replace bisharp with Magnezone ngl, AV mag looks really good here as a defensive backbone
Cause it could be like, a-tales forces in the steels, you double switch to mag, and then trap them
Also every team honestly needs rocks, so I would keep them on rhyperior
I also think even without a-tales, your weather matchup is really good
Garde murders rain and sun with trace
Rhyperior can tera dragon and pick up huge ko's
Bisharp can revenge kill trailer targets
And Suicune can help a lot against rain
Something like this ngl
vestal delta
And Suicune can help a lot against rain
I know Suicune can endure the rain attacks, but I've had problem using them to counter-attack... really hating Encore Politoed here
so a-tales is a go, or was that a case of assuming I'm set on using a-tales?
whole tulip
Well, if you really want to use a-tales, then I think you need to use mag
vestal delta
well, I'm not set on a-tales
whole tulip
If you don't want to use a-tales though, then hmmm
vestal delta
it just seemed the next-best way to mess with enemy weather teams
whole tulip
Well, in general, I think you have enough counterplay against weather
vestal delta
hazard phazing was a bigger issue for me, though
whole tulip
Hmm, yeah that's always difficult
vestal delta
figured some ice damage would help
wait, analytic over magnet pull?
oh, for the damage?
vestal delta
I mean, it's working
(got a rage quit on pressure suicune calm mind + substituting both volcanion and night shade deoxys-d lol)
whole tulip
Lol
glass talon
I would like an opinion from someone who actually plays... unlike me and my friends.
spark sapphire
If it’s Gen 9 I got you
glass talon
Is trick room the strongest team in RU? If not... what would it be?
spark sapphire
I wouldn’t say it’s the strongest archetype but it has the biggest boom vs bust
glass talon
opinions?
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whole tulip
The abusers on this team are fine, but the setters are not
whole tulip
I would put mental herb cress, hattrem and mmq as the dedicated setters
marble girder
mmq?
marble girder
If you remove Toes and Drif how do you manuver Torkoal?
cause the turtle hates rocks
🤔
maybe sack it for Regidrago then?
marble girder
oki doki
marble girder
👍
glass talon
magic tapir
How do I post a team here?
Oh! I figured it out!
I'm really new to pokemon, and I threw together this team, and it doesn't really work, I'm not really aware of the metagame so some advice would be nice
https://pokepast.es/a54eb5b2bad90fc8
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spark sapphire
Hmmm
So it’s very ground weak besides Noivern
And you said you’re not familiar at all, like this isn’t a hail team? It’s just a non-weather team that just so happens to use hail?
Because you could put SD on A-Slash and we can get started on that, if not I can help you build around the Pokémon on the team that you like
whole tulip
Hmm, yeah, this seems like half of a hail team ngl
You could either do an offense team with a-tales to support, or a full hail team
vestal delta
https://pokepast.es/4ea3cbcdb844a510
So, I've got a new team, 3-2 (swapped a Mystical Fire for anti-Magnezone off Gardevoir to get Healing Wish back; slim chance I could have been 4-1 if I had that for my 2nd battle).
Fast and Stout, with more emphasis on "Fast"
Big thing that occurs to me is, could I swap out Gallade for Lucario or DDance Salamence, Noivern for Salamence (any spread), Empoleon for Wish+U-turn+Stealth Rock Jirachi, is there something I'm completely missing?
and though I outmaneuvered with sacrifices, priority, and gardevoir, a rain team was hell to fight
whole tulip
Hmm, this honestly looks like an offense team if anything
I think something you could do is healing wish jirachi over empoleon so you have a double h-wish core potentially
vestal delta
healing wish on jirachi > wish + uturn? I didn't realize Jirachi got that move
whole tulip
It does
vestal delta
(though now that I think about it, I think I faced that once)
whole tulip
The set would prob be h-wish, rocks, iron head, u-turn
You could do encore over h-wish if you want to though
vestal delta
leftovers and defensive water tera?
whole tulip
Yeah
vestal delta
hm, encore tends to wreck me when I use setup stuff and when I use it, it often forces people out
oh, I should mention
whole tulip
It depends on what you want
vestal delta
with my playstyle, these days I almost never get to use a setup move
mostly just the threat of one
though encore could change that
whole tulip
Yeah
vestal delta
(calm mind suicune was an exception on my last few teams)
Encore + U-turn into one of my setups then?
vestal delta
it would so wreck calm mind suicune, too
most annoying thing I've ever faced recently
vestal delta
Hmm, this honestly looks like an offense team if anything
is offense not good right now?
vestal delta
Gallade did some good for me, but not much except as a sacrifice (and whittling down a bronzong). Should I change it out, or just re-focus on an endgame agility + kill everything that's been weakened for me?
vestal delta
could as in the second option, or the first?
whole tulip
I think honestly you could run hilligant on this team
Though make it tera fire with ice spinner over tera blast
vestal delta
tera fire, no tera blast?
whole tulip
Yeah
Tera blast is mainly for geezing
But tera fire sits on geezing still
While also doing a lot better into talonflame
vestal delta
hustle+wide lense, swords dance, ice spinner, close combat, and...?
whole tulip
Leaf blade
vestal delta
... how did I miss that they get that one?
whole tulip
Outspeeds mmq
vestal delta
ah
whole tulip
You can go max speed, but the things at 100 base speed you don't usually beat
vestal delta
and now I get why 4 SpD instead of 4 Def on things
Porygon-Z
wow H-lilli just forced a desperation move that got mamo into a 3/4 remaining enemies all lose to it
WOW thanks. Jirachi + H-lilli is cleaning up
is there a reason Noivern goes for 4 speed points above Cyclizar instead of just over?
whole tulip
Not much point really
vestal delta
I think Gardevoir / H-Lilli / Mimikyu is my new core for all teams
vestal delta
4-0 right now
in 5th battle
... though I really want a rapid spin or something to deal with hazard teams -_-
whole tulip
Hazards can def be annoying for offense teams, but you usually have to out offense them before they get them all up
vestal delta
yeah, turns out u-turn + encore jirachi slaughters chesnaut and crawdaunt
two of my biggest pains
5-0 now
YES, this team is great
thanks again for the changes!
whole tulip
Np
vestal delta
I'd forgotten all about H-lilli
whole tulip
I definetely forget about it sometimes
vestal delta
and how useful jirachi can be outside of parahax spamming
magic tapir
My totally normal and useful Kleavor answer:
Klefki @ Choice Specs
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Steel Beam
- Flash Cannon
- Draining Kiss
- Foul Play
I need help 😭
Focus Sash Magician might be better
spark sapphire
Well I don’t think there’s anything Klefki can really pick off with that set
I wouldn’t put specs on klefki either, it’s not how to maximize its strengths
magic tapir
Yeah, focus sash magician works better
tranquil knot
This is my current build for ru
Special Lucario
Spikes stockpile quagsire
Dragon dance Salamance
Expert belt lycanroc
Choice Gardevoir
Ans black sludge willow sub gengar
Thinking of switching gengar out for a hazards answer
spark sapphire
Hm
You’re getting rid of the ability to tera by putting black sludge on gengar
I think you should really have some hazard removal bc I don’t see this team winning games in the long term
Nor short term, it lacks power
To be honest the team isn’t the worst if you put like a super fang defog noivern instead of gengar
Swap spikes for rocks on quag
tranquil knot
Swap spikes for rocks on quag
Wouldn't doubling up on flying/dragon open me up to ice due to Salamance who also might get swapped due to usually ending up a trade (its terra fire)
spark sapphire
It’s not like Gengar is an ice resist itself
tranquil knot
True but doubling up seems like it might be an issue but im novice at this also considering switching my life orb Lucario to physical
spark sapphire
I don’t think lucario has the power in this tier to be anything other than an E-Speed sweeper
And even then, I would put muscle band over it because the combination of rocky helmet users in the tier and life orb run it down far too quickly
tranquil knot
Started down here to use it its one of my favorites
spark sapphire
Whenever I see Lucario I just think it’s lunch
Hippo can take it down most times without even attacking
I think if you want a team focused on lucario you need more offense on that team
tranquil knot
Ah
Lycanroc's current set is Accel, crunch close combat and fire fang
Started with Stone egde as a secondary stab but swaped it for combat
spark sapphire
What is fire fang for