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small spruce
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this would give a solid thundurus check and something who directly threatens hippo unlike moltres

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and it pairs very well with basculegion because if there is one thing thundurus is good at is killing cyclizar which is most common check to basculegion scarf

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cyclizar will very often be sent out on thundurus and you just have to click focus blast and hit the move (which might be the hard part ngl)

fluid oar
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slr

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gonna take a sec to read through

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landing focus blast is always the hardest part of using it cri

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but thanks a bundle for the rate! me

small spruce
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anytime

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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good team, inteleon has historically been good with electric types with volt switch

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however I'm afraid this team is no longer legal in SV RU after Thundurus' ban yesterday

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I think you could almost just use kilowattrel instead and call it a day

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Kilowattrel @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Competitive
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Volt Switch
  • Hurricane
  • Roost
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something classic like this with competitive

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since now there are no threatening electric types or even electric coverage in the tier

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and you can click tbolt without thinking about the gardevoir in the corner

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I've also seen some tera blast variants with tera ice or tera fairy

worthy lynx
small spruce
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a few hours ago I'd say

worthy lynx
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i just viewed, yep thun-t's rubl

small spruce
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good riddance tbh

worthy lynx
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lol cyclizar only mon standing in S tier. Only matter of time before he goes to UU this coming July

small spruce
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we still have cobalion up there

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but honestly if we lose cyclizar this tier is doomed

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we should get gweezing in July tho which would be incredible

fluid oar
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with the Thundy-T ban, could I slot in Kilowattrel just fine? or would I need a new mon entirely?

worthy lynx
small spruce
small spruce
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cyclizar gives way to Balance and bulkier archetype while also being good in Offense

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so it's just the perfect spinner rn

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gweezing might take its place in bulkier teams in the future which would be good for diversity

viral shard
worthy lynx
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small spruce
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looks good I like the defensive core it's classic and solid

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I think you would benefit from either slowbro or fez having CM to put more pressure on offensive teams

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choice band slither wing is a bold choice but it's a good pokemon

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however I feel like you need wild charge on it because of the moltres and noivern running around

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you could even go tera electric to straight up one shot moltres and noivern when they switch in

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tera electric is also pretty good atm with all the para spam everywhere

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I'm not sure thundurus is the best way to complement this slither wing set tho

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as it can nail the hippowdon thinking they can safely switch in and even the moltres and more, I think you could go with a physical threat

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a fast one

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you could try and keep the thundurus but use bulk up supercell slam and acrobatics for a physical set which would also be a surprise for the opponent

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you could also go with something less extravagant like scarf gapdos or Iron Leaves (might get banned soon tho)

worthy lynx
small spruce
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we were doing a survey which ended yesterday

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so depending on the results the council should be voting on either iron leaves or enamorus

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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with bulk up you can have defiant on thundurus

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boots is not bad, but since you have acrobatics keep in mind that getting the boots knocked off can be a good path to victory

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and with calm mind you want psychic noise with some speed on slowbro to beat every other cm setup sweepers

small spruce
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to me iron leaves is just very low risk for gigantic reward

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with tera you will realistically have to sacrifice 2 to 3 mons to get rid of it

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which is obnoxious

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enamorus is stupid too yeah and it might get suspect tested after the survey as well if it got enough votes

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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yeah people are using different sets now which is also scary

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someone used a Choice Band tera normal set in RUPL last week and it was very successful

worthy lynx
small spruce
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yeah it was pretty sick

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but we won't see much more iron leaves now

worthy lynx
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yeah saw the discussion thread. It's officially rubl now

viral shard
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small spruce
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yeah this is often the feeling when using milotic even in other archetypes

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I am far from knowledgeable in stall building but I will do my best here

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I think if you want to use salamence with a more defensive spread you still need some speed EVs

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for instance here you're not even faster than most bisharp, breloom and cloyster

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so here you need a minimum of 16 EVs in Speed

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which could be pushed to 108 to cover the +Spe versions as well as Blastoise and Okidogi

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I am also not quite certain of milotic's purpose here

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usually in stall you would find slowbro-galar or fezandipiti

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because you need a poison type to cover for poison spreading Pokemon like Okidogi and opposing Fezandipiti which can very well 6-0 stall otherwise

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I see the tera poison on gastrodon but it's preferable to not have to burn tera early when facing one of these two pretty common threats

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you can just go with the glowbro set hjkhj is using in the replay I sent you imo

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I can see this team having trouble with the infamous CM Psychic Noise fat sweeper wa have running around such as Reuniclus and Slowbro

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but Chansey being faster should be enough to deal with them

viral shard
small spruce
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I don't think salamence has wish sadly

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fthrower is good coverage for mence

viral shard
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oops

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ok yeah glowbro works fantastic tysm

small spruce
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anytime!

half bridge
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im not particularly good but ive been playing ru for a little while and made this

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half bridge
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worrywhirl i feel like a dick now, im so sorry for the ping

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@restive wolf

restive wolf
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small spruce
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zapdos choice band is quite unexplored which is a shame in my opinion

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I am personally not a fan of forretress, it often wants to do too much and end up doing nothing that well

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your set with no hazard looks alright tho

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I would still advise using something like hippowdon on forretress to get that extra reliability and longevity

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it would also make your team less weak to hyper offense teams running around on the ladder at the moment as hippo can deal with revavroom, maushold, mimikyu, bisharp, zapdos and more

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and thanks to slack off it can beat a lot of them in one game unlike forretress

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now as I said zapdos choice band is super cool

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but here its purpose in the context of your team is unclear

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oftentimes you would pair a big breaker like zadpos with something able to take advantage of the holes it creates in the opposing team and clean afterwards

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for this reason I could see it paired with a Pokemon like Barraskewda which would benefit from zapdos destroying the bulky Waters like Slowbro or Quagsire

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you could also go with Gyarados to attempt a sort of flying spam with a Dragon Dance set and Tera Blast Flying

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you can also go the route of fighting spam and use scarf Mienshao

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I think Tera Blast Gyarados might be the easiest to use out of these

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so you could use it instead of gardevoir in my opinion

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you don't have to slot a scarf user especially with already fast options like noivern or speed boosting gyarados/barraskewda

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now if you choose to use hippowdon you'd have to go defog on your noivern which I agree is not ideal but does the job

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now we don't have a lot of electric coverage in the tier luckily but if you don't want to struggle too much against special jirachi set you can also switch noivern for cyclizar

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stuff like this

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I kept gardevoir in one version to act as a real fighting resist

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which could be needed without noivern

small spruce
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I'd say you should go more offensive with this tbh

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no need for chesnaught or reuniclus

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something like this

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so I replaced drednaw with a better shell smash user so Blastoise

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I gave cinccino something to beat moltres so Rock Blast which can be huge for maushold if Moltres is out of the way

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Yanmega doesn't really need ancient power now you can just go tera blast tera ground to beat steel types

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I threw a good suicide lead in cobalion

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it's fast and can taunt the opponent to keep rocks off your side so you don't have to use tidy up before bringing yanmega in

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and then I thought a knock off user would be beneficial to get rid of the Rocky Helmets

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so I went krook with scale shot and moxie which is also a good sweeper

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if you want to use a slower team archetype with more defensive pokemon then maushold, cinccino and yanmega is not the right offensive core for that

half bridge
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i still didnt have much direction with the team when i was making it, i mostly just slotted in pokemon who covered against a recent loss

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i lost against rain? well scarf gardevoir can semi reliably answer that, should stealth rock be up
i lost against a bulky cm mon like suicune? volcanion hard walls that and has taunt to support the team
etc, etc

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these suggestions are absolutely fantastic and im gonna be trying out literally everything you said lol, thank you

small spruce
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haha I get that dw

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rain and bulky cm mons do be a big part of this tier tbf

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feel free to come back here if you wanna talk about anything

half bridge
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absolutely will, ty 👍

small spruce
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the tier is quite fun atm so I hope you'll enjoy it

worthy lynx
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holy shit enamorus-t is now banned too

small spruce
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yup

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close one

worthy lynx
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10 to 9 ratio woww

worthy lynx
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i wanna form a team. Been on a losing streak I'm tired of losing. I wanna build a team that can take down both rain and sun teams.

worthy lynx
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i can't even win against a yanmega for god sake.

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small spruce
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and dragon tail av cyclizar is one of the best weapon against yanmega

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because once the throat spray boost is gone it's really not that threatening

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I don't think you need 2 choice scarf users however

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If you really hate weather you can keep gardevoir but make gapdos choice band or protective pads with taunt

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or just change it completely for something like okidogi or volcanion

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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having one form of speed control is enough atm

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so one scarf is plenty

worthy lynx
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thanks for the insights

steel shore
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viral shard
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u probably want psychic fangs over crunch on skewda

steel shore
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Well I pretty much never use anything besides Liquidation anyway

viral shard
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U probably want cane over heat wave on molt as well

viral shard
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I think there's also other issues but I'll let Rarelyme handle that bc I'm not the RU Rater

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Meant to send that way earlier oops

steel shore
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Thx for the advice tho

small spruce
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their issue is that they get walled by pretty much all our water types like slowbro, quagsire, gastrodon, milotic and so on

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slowbro is the reason why I would keep crunch on barraskewda btw

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it doesn't do that much but it's something

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now the real deal in RU rain is Overqwil because it can wallbreak through pretty much everything after a Sword Dance

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So I would advise going for a set with SD + the best STAB moves being Crunch and Gunk Shot to maximise damages and then Liquidation which hits the main defensive pokemon of the tier: Hippowdon

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Liquidation also gets boosted by rain and most people also use Tera Water to boost it even further while getting all the defensive benefices from the water-type

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Politoed's set is alright, although I would use a more defensive Tera like Steel, Ghost or Grass

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Bisharp and Moltres are the ones I am unsure about to be honest

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Moltres doesn't bring much to the team and Bisharp can't really take advantage of rain so it is pretty awkward here

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Rain teams are usually supposed to by hyper offense teams meaning you only want offensive Pokemon, so instead of Moltres I would go something like Basculegion-F which can benefit from rain and can act as a special threat with good coverage in Surf / Shadow Ball / Ice Beam

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Now for the Bisharp slot I would use a Steel type because you see the main issue with Rain in RU since the beginning of this gen is Gardevoir

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Because of Trace and the Choice Scarf, Gardevoir can come in on any Swift Swim Pokemon and outspeed them and since the team in only made with offensive Pokemon well they can't take a Moonblast very well

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that's why we need a Steel type

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the main one right now would be Jirachi

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you can either use a support set with Stealth Rock and U-turn to get the teammates in

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or go with something more offensive with Calm Mind Psychic, Thunder, Aura Sphere

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the other choice I can give you would be Revavroom

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Revavroom can also be a good setup sweeper in Rain with Shift Gear + double STAB with Iron Head and Gunk Shot and then either Tera Blast Tera Water to use the Rain or just High Horsepower

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oh also for barraskewda, you want flip turn and not aqua jet because you will be faster than every Pokemon anyway so you don't need priority

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and the pivot is always very valuable

steel shore
small spruce
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I guess thundurus works too yeah

fervent bay
small spruce
fervent bay
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Oh thanks

round lion
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round lion
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Was originally tera ghost on Zoroark but barely anything resists normal + shadow sneak so I switched to normal

worthy lynx
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tier shifts just got released. AND GOODRA-H and GWEEZING ARE FINALLY down to RU

small spruce
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yeah it will be wild

small spruce
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so I'll try to get the best grasp I can on it before and keep rating teams

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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now this is quite a dense build

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I assume the idea was to build around Entei so I'll start there

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you did recognize that it needs a grass move to really have an impact in the game and hit the bulky waters so that's good, the thing is that trailblaze is really not powerful enough to mucle through these walls

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now if you wanted the speed boost, I'd say that it could be a good idea if entei had the potential to really snowball against HO but in practise you will have a hard time setting it up and usually you will just want to click sacred fire or extreme speed

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so most of times Entei likes to have Tera Blast Grass to turn the ground and water weaknesses into resistances and hit water types, and it could fit pretty well in your team since you don't really have a Pokemon that requires tera to function

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I like that you paired it with slither wing, but DD Salamence i'm not so sure about

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I would see a mixed set do better for your team here for instance

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because it takes advantage of spikes like no other set in RU imo

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I'm not a huge fan of forretress but I understand the appeal of role compression with hazard + removal

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and if I were to advise you to remove it, it would change the dynamic of your team too much

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now basculegion is quite interesting because it's the only thing preventing you from losing to terrakion

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so it's a good addition, I could also see scarf krookodile here for the extra speed and to help preventing Pokemon like thundurus to pivot and gain momentum each time they enter the field

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it would also help punish the many tera poison Pokemon in the tier which could block Entei and Slither Wing

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while still revenge killing terrakion

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now goodra-h I think is mostly ok but I would still put enough speed to be faster than umbreon and especially than every conkeldurr who try to be faster than umbreon

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so you could add between 48 or 56 Spe EVs there

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I think that's all I have to say to keep the changes to a minimum

coral sandal
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https://pokepast.es/bcfed01f81617ac5 Salamence is kind of a volcanion check and a physical wall. I need a defensive answer to volcanion, as my team is overall fairly slow and enemy volcanion just tears through my team. Empoleon is a cyclizar (The king of RU) counter and eats up everything cyclizar can hit it with and is a knock-off absorber. Assault vest jolteon is so that thunderus and zapdos-copy don't tear through my team. It is a balance team w/ half walls and half attackers. I'm open to replacing anything except for volcanion.

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small spruce
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I'll comment on their set first, so the only issue I see on your volcanion is Overheat. While it's good to have power, Volcanion's power comes from its incredibly high SpA stat which means that you don't need to search for power in the moves themselves. This is why this Pokemon usually runs Flamethrower as a Fire-type STAB. Also if you don't see yourself clicking Will-O-Wisp often I can advise you to try Body Press to hit Cyclizar which is otherwise pretty free on Volcanion, you also want to change it's Tera to Fairy

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Salamence is a top tier Pokemon and mainly for one reason, it's mixed set is extremely hard to check efficiently and this set has become quite popular now because it's just very good all around, so I'll send it and you can see for yourself if you like it or not

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but it's definitely the best Salamence set out there

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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpA / 196 Spe
Mild Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Hurricane
  • Earthquake
  • Roost
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The Speed EVs let you outspeed Gardevoir and Okidogi + everything slower

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now Empoleon / Chesnaught is a pretty good defensive core so I'll go over it quickly. Your Chesnaught set is good, you only need to change its Tera to Poison or Ghost as you like

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Empoleon lacks some EVs that you can put in SpD or Speed and while you're right it does not fear Cyclizar, well it can do anything to it either so Cyclizar can still come and spin your Spikes away or use Knock Off to annoy Empoleon

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So usually Empoleon use Ice Beam to hit Cyclizar and prevent it from doing what it wants to do, you could use it over Flash Cannon for instance because this move won't help you much

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I would also put Surf on Knock Off because you usually need a strong STAB and the Water is just very good

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you also need to change the Tera to either Fairy or Ghost

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Now your team has a big problem: entry hazards. Your defensive core will get weaken very easily with Spikes and Stealth Rocks, so you need something to remove them

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And here I would suggest adding Cyclizar over Jolteon because it can use Rapid Spin, pivot to position Volcanion well and check Thundurus like you wanted Jolteon to do (btw Zapdos-Galar can destroy Jolteon with Close Combat so it's not that good of a check)

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and then for the last slot you need speed control, probably something that can check Zapdos Galar and Fighting type in general so I would go with Thundurus here

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with Thunderbolt/Thunder Wave/Focus Blast/Grass Knot probably

half bridge
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@small spruce hey im not here to have my team rated but i think the bot bugged out, there's someone who wanted some tips

astral harbor
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https://pokepast.es/74826d76a3e73d9e After a ton of tries I reached this team, it is kind of stally with a wish passing Sylveon that can turn into setup sweeper as well as incineroar on rare ocasions, I am not a great player so I don't really know if my losses were just me being bad or the team, but I scored some nice wins with it, how does it look?

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I mostly struggle with the likes of empoleon, but think it is just me playing badly

livid fog
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small spruce
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first incineroar is considered mid in RU but it has seen some usage, here you should opt for a pivot set rather than a setup sweeper one. Something with Koff / Parting Shot / Will-O-Wisp / Flare Blitz maybe

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this would add some needed support

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the vileplume / quagsire / reuniclus are ok, the sets just need some work:
Vileplume should have Leftovers or Rocky Helmet, Black Sludge is not that used anymore because it becomes detrimental once the Pokemon uses its Tera yk

Quagsire would make better use of its Ground STAB (Earthquake) than its Water one because it hits Steel and Poison types which would otherwise like to come in on Quagsire to prevent other Pokemon from being poisoned by Toxik, also Spikes are usually better than Stealth Rock here because you can rack up more chip damage

Reuniclus should do pretty well into empoleon, especially with Focus Blast, now I would remove Future Sight because the team lacks pressure to make this move count and Thunder because you already hit Empoleon with Focus Blast. Instead I would use Calm Mind and Psychic Noise with the Covert Cloak item which will insure you wins against Fezandipiti, Slowbro and more

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Cyclizar should really be Assault Vest because you don't have much to cover special attackers

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and then I would replace Sylveon with Umbreon because it synergizes better with the rest of the team + answers a wider variety of meta threats (like Goodra-Hisui) + can still wish pass

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Now if I were to change the team a bit more, I would replace Vileplume with Weezing-Galar with Strange Beam / Will-O-Wisp / Defog / Flamethrower and since we now have a remover I would add a big breaker instead of Cyclizar. Something like Conkeldurr Flame Orb or even Gengar with Hex to take advantage of all the status in the team would work very well

small spruce
half mulch
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first time playing RU after topping AG, any advice on the team? necrozma is the goat and i kinda wanna keep it as it is.

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half mulch
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Also ignore how empoleon doesn’t have a real Tera type, along with the missing 4 evs

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Probably have to change that but I forgor

livid fog
# small spruce hi! what was the idea behind this team?

its mostly js a team meant to survive lmao. i kinda went by "what types can i switch into and what types can i hit" and i mostly ended up w this team. i lowk didnt really involve tera when building this, only tera types that really mattered were flying on bisharp and steel on leafeon. leaf is there cause it covered a few weaknesses i had like water, and + it also was a wish user.

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but all in all ig the main point was to js outlast teams until bisharp and terrakion could js clean up late game lmao.

steel shore
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i just wanted to use archeops

small spruce
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for instance encore reuniclus can't really work given how slow it is

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tera blast flying bisharp is also quite underwhelming

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leafon as a whole is not good in RU

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AV Swampert as well yk

small spruce
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I think that the lilligant set might need a rework and you could try using the scarf set in this team since healing wish is the best asset to really support archeops

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Lilligant @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Sleep Powder
  • Leaf Storm
  • Hidden Power Rock
  • Healing Wish
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sleep powder can also help archeops a lot

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so rotom becomes not that useful

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but you can still keep it to really punish the sap sipper's like militank or bouffalant

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you could also use spiritomb instead which could work well

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but it's BW RU so you would imo be better off adding druddigon or durant to your team

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literally all drud's set could add something great to your team

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and durant would make a good cleaner after archeops weakened the team

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or the other way around depending on the matchup

native shard
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if I think you can do better than brambleghast as a spike setter + unaware quagsire is quite bad in the current meta since then you just don't have any good check to water type attacks

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for instance your team just folds to volcanion here

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the common structure for hazard stack teams rn is the Chesnaught + Palossand + Empoleon core

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which can set all hazards + spinblock + punishes defog + is solid against the majority of matchup you will encounter

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you just have to add cyclizar to this and then one speed control and one breaker

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for instance you can keep choice band okidogi and have like barraskewda as speed control

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but if you were going in another direction let me know

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and I can adapt my input

native shard
small spruce
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Yeah these 6 are for sure solid

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Brambleghast has very little representation rn in RU

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Especially because of it’s horrible matchup into our prime spinner

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which it would love to handle but can’t really

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Feel free to ping me if you want help for the sets btw

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I should be fairly reactive today

half mulch
small spruce
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cool OTR Necrozma

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you're missing 4 EVs on it btw

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the team looks solid overall it's a pretty common structure

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I'd say knock off is usually more useful on gapdos than a second fighting stab

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your okidogi might want to run psychic fang as it's also your only reliable check to opposing okidogi

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taunt isn't that useful on it I'd say

small spruce
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it's better into goodra-hisui

half mulch
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thanks!

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(Honestly i have no exp playing the tier other than abit of stall but yeah

small spruce
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well you clearly have experience building in other tiers

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so well done

native shard
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https://pokepast.es/9b5cce3e80ea210c @small spruce this what I cooked up, I was trying Tera fight blast but it was too situational, I’m thinking of making infernape scarf or specs as well

small spruce
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alright so the main issue I see with this team trying to make brambleghast work is you have two Knock Off users

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which synergizes really badly with Poltergeist

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so here I would change empo's set and put rocks on hippo to free a slot for Ice beam and replace knock off for Flip Turn

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which could allow you to switch in brambleghast on bulky waters that like to come in on empoleon

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Cyclizar will want to run a stab move, preferably Draco Meteor here

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you could also go for facade since the team struggle against volcanion

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now I understand the idea behind raikou + infernape but once again you need to think about how brambleghast can fit in that core

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the main situation you will have to switch brambleghast in is into hippowdon

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so you want something that can lure it in

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this something can be slither wing to help against setup sweepers thanks to its priority, zapdos-galar to pivot on hippo into bramble and clean late game thanks to choice scarf

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while also punishing defog attempts with Defiant

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I would replace infernape with one of these two

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now raikou is alright since it can weaken cylizar with otherwise just walls brambleghast and can spin the hazards away (the mu could be improved if you slotted strength sap instead of shadow sneak on bramble)

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the issue is its set

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you'd want to go for boots with thunder wave (to make cyclizar and other threats like noivern, slower than bramble), scald, aura sphere and thunderbolt

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Aight thank you very much

small spruce
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Anytime

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altho I would say that toxtricity is better used specs than Life Orb

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in general in every tier you wouldn't use Life Orb on a Pokemon which can pivot btw

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here I think Seed Bomb on Chesnaught should also be replaced by knock off to help remove boots in the opposing team

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Fighting Dark is great coverage

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literally just a free turn for the opp

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Ok well play me so u can see how it is

hard imp
half mulch
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Ok I guess

hard imp
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What’s ur username

half mulch
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Pigbeeef

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Actually

half mulch
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I am currently not on the other one rn

hard imp
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Ok bet

small spruce
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because if sand stream bothers you for necrozma then hippo can very well use sand force

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it makes the mirror way easier too so it's a solid niche

native shard
small spruce
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I think hippo is better to handle the bunch of physical sweepers RU holds

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like

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pretty sure sandaconda can be 2HKO'd by LO mienshao

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while hippo just takes it

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I quite like what shed skin brings for the okidogi matchup tho

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not sure it's that worth it tho

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also horoark is a fun idea especially paired with gapdos

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but I wouldn't use boots when no other mons have them

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because it makes the illusion very easy to spot

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I'll take a look at the other teams above and then I'll check yours

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Aight 👍

small spruce
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there

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because most of these sets aren't quite optimal

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when your pokemon have better sets feel free to come back to me

small spruce
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this team is pretty well structured

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the only thing I would change is crawdaunt for something faster

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because as it is this team is very very slow

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which can hurt when hoopa has the ability to lower the health of the opposing defensive mons but you will need something to finish them or revenge kill opposing breakers

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you could go scarf mienshao here or another fighting type which will lure in and pivot on poison types like fezandipiti and weezing

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so that you can position hoopa afterwards

native shard
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Alright thank you

native shard
small spruce
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Alright

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This place is for RU rates

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Oh my bad 😭😭

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I forgot to change channels

small spruce
steel shore
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I swapped choice band on overqwil for life orb

small spruce
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you should use the following set for this mon
Overqwil @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

  • Gunk Shot
  • Crunch
  • Liquidation
  • Swords Dance
    thanks to the speed boost of swift swim under rain you don't need to have a priority like aqua jet and can just go for the hard hitting move in Liquidation
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coupled with tera water you can muscle through important target such as hippowdon

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Gunk Shot is also preferred here for the same reason: you want to hit hard so use the strongest STAB you can

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For barraskewda you'll want to use Close Combat instead of Psychic Fangs because most Water resists in the tier fear Fighting coverage, for instance Pokemon like Cyclizar, Empoleon or Wo-Chien

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Then the only remaining issue I have with the team is the Minior slot. While this mon is quite interesting and can pull off good wins, you won't be able to make it work consistently. This slot should be used to adress the biggest counter to rain in the tier: Gardevoir. You see, Gardevoir has Trace which means that it can copy Swift Swim and thanks to the Choice Scarf item it can be faster than all of your Pokemon even with rain up and threaten to revenge kill them.

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This is why most rain team use a Steel type to switch into Gardevoir. Like you understood with Minior, rain teams like the chip damage entry hazard can bring to the table so we'd also want that in the team. This takes us to the perfect rain candidate: Jirachi. The set I would recommend using is Stealth Rock, Iron Head, U-Turn, Healing Wish

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you set up hazards, can damage stuff with a strong STAB, can pivot into your threats and can even heal them back to full if they need to

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let me know if you want more details

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What is a chatot

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doing here

small spruce
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deoxys brute bonne and dugtrio are very bad so it's hard for me to really give advices here

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RIP

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however I'm afraid the tier will change a bit tomorrow with the tier shifts

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do you still wish to get a review for this team?

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there's not much to say tbh you're a good builder it's just about details at that point

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like some sets can be optimised

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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then you might lack ingame level because yes it's a good team but it also seems quite hard to use

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aggressive bos like this are usually played by top players

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because they can be very effective and quite versatile

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for the little details I can see here you have the balloon on jirachi which is probably not needed

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since amoonguss can check ground type attacks + you have 2 ground immunities

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I'd simply go leftovers here

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also scarf flygon is an alright form of speed control in itself so you don't need to add a priority move on it

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since it'll already be faster than most threats

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being locked on first impression can become a very difficult situation against offensive archetypes like ho

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I'd go with the good old edgequake coverage with Stone Edge instead of FI

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you could also consider using stun spore on amoonguss because volcanion can benefit quite well from para'd targets like cyclizar. or noivern

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if you do that you could almost drop twave on thundurus and go with something more aggressive like focus blast to take out cyclizar

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thanks for the info, man. Imma have to revamp my team depending on how much change the tier is tomorrow.

verbal sparrow
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small spruce
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Don’t worry I can still give advices for the rest of the team

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I will as soon as I get some time

verbal sparrow
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thank you

small spruce
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which means that you should take what I say with a grain of salt

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hippowdon and empoleon usually work pretty well together and often imply cyclizar as the last pokemon for the defensive core since it can remove hazard that are very annoying for the two others and it an also check thundurus pretty effectively

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this core is pretty weak to fighting type attacks which can be patched with other pokemon

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for now conledurr and krookodile are an alright core, I'd advice using drain punch over close combat on conkeldurr since you already deal a lot of damage thanks to the flame orb and guts so the recovery offered by drain punch is oftentimes more valuable

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krookodile is a pretty good scarfer, however you will prefer having knock off for general utility + it hits harder than crunch when the target still has its item

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you will also want to have stone edge to hit flying target or gunk shot to damage weezing-galar and tera fairy pokemon in general

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you can chose to run crunch and knock off (which works then best with tera dark) but usually people drop crunch and use eq/koff/stone edge/gunk shot

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with tera ground or poison

verbal sparrow
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thank you so much!
honestly didnt expect that much but its rlly appreciated
can i get a suggestion for my fighting type weakness?

small spruce
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yeah I'm thinking about it rn hehe

verbal sparrow
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also ill add cyclizar now

small spruce
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it's tricky because the easy fit for me would be salamence because it'd patch the fighting weakness, would add a ground immunity and special pressure which the team also lacks

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but that would imply being quite weak to fairy type attacks

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which was fine before but now with ninetales-alola and rubombee in the tier that might be hard to play around

verbal sparrow
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would yanmega work

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or mimikyu

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idk im just naming things i see tbh T.T

small spruce
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these would work but can't really check fairies that well

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you can try them

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I'm thinking reuniclus

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someting like life orb 3 attacks

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with recover

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it's not the best fairy check but it's something

verbal sparrow
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ill do that i also rlly like reuniclus

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would flash cannon work better than ice beam on empoleon btw?

small spruce
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the other solution would be to replace hippowdon by weezing-galar to have the ground immunity and hazard removal which would also make the cyclizar slot free since we don't need it for removal and just pick something like goodra-hisui as thundurus check, special pressure and fairy check

small spruce
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like

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you're hitting removers like cyclizar or noivern with it

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and grass types that could otherwise threaten you like chesnaught or breloom

verbal sparrow
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i honestly really like hippowdown but i can live w out it q.q

small spruce
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maybe try the reuniclus version for now and if you really struggle against fairies you can come back and we'll figure something out

verbal sparrow
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ok thank you!

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one last thing tho

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what should i put on cyclizar

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sorryy!

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also does gryo ball work on reun

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is this anything good at all

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i just started showdown and i'm going about 50/50

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maybe a little less

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first thing is your setter, as much as I love araquanid, it's really outclassed now that we have ribombee in the tier so yeah you should use that mon

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second are your spinblockers, mimikyu, despite its Ghost typing can't really prevent Cyclizar to spin away the Sticky Web because it doesn't want to switch in and risk having its disguise broken which would make it way less threatening later down the line

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oftentimes the preferred spinblocker is Weakness Policy Basculegion-F which blocks Rapid Spin and can switch in even on Knock Off which will just trigger the WP and boost it to oblivion and make it very very threatening

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now we also have a few defoggers in the tier like Noivern and Weezing-Galar so you need something to punish their attempt at getting rid of Sticky Webs. For this you need to use Bisharp or Offensive Empoleon because Defog will boost them thanks to their abilities

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you could easily have it instead of Terrakion Regidraco or Zoroark here for instance

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now about the sets, the most glaring issue is on Regidraco and Zoroark

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Regidraco needs something to hit Fairy types so you will prefer Tera Blast Steel rather than Electric

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Specs Zoroark wants to focus on Special pressure so you shouldn't run Bitter Malice ever on that set, put Hyper Voice instead

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and Shadow Ball is also way better than Hex as a Ghost STAB

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if you make all these little change I believe the team will improve significantly

small spruce
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the few changes I could see are, first you can use an offensive tera on Salamence since with webs you shouldn't be that threatened by rk attempts so you can afford having something to boost your damage outputs

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usually we use tera ground which can block twave from prankster thundurus while boosting eq

weak oar
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thanks for calling it solid. i like the concept of it

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What do you mean by "offensive" tera?

small spruce
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Zapdos could be replaced by something else more threatening

small spruce
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meaning it boosts one of your moves

small spruce
weak oar
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so instead of Ground... make it flying / dragon?

small spruce
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with the added benefit of blocking thunder wave from thundurus

weak oar
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what do gallade or terrak offer over zap-g?

small spruce
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they are more threatening because they hit harder since they can boost their damage outputs with Swords Dance

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the goal of the team is to keep the momentum at all cost

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so to do that you need to exerce pressure at all times

weak oar
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my initial thought to add in zapdos was as a defog measure but

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at the end of the day you're slower than talon and weak to brave bird...

small spruce
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so the more threatening your pokemons are the better you will do

small spruce
weak oar
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What are solid anti-talon measures for HO in ru?

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oh

small spruce
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it's a good anti defogger

weak oar
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i like how that sounds

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what's the set?

small spruce
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it's very underrated on webs because people usually chose Bisharp

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but empoleon is goated

weak oar
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i really really like that idea ngl

small spruce
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with surf ice beam and grass knot

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you can threaten every team in the tier

weak oar
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this is the default

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small spruce
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exactly

weak oar
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what does grass knot hit here¿

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gastro

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ok

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thanks. i'll try the team a bit more!

small spruce
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yeah gastro and the other bulky waters like slowbro or suicune

midnight reef
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i just used ones that were viable in the tier that i liked

small spruce
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feel free to come back here anytime for more feedback

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Anyways can somebody make this team that I built in 5 mins better?

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Change whatever mons and whatever sets, I wanna make my second ever suspect test a good one.

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Also, ping me with the response, I’ll come back to this later, since when you come I might not be online.

half mulch
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Anybody?

small spruce
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it’s coming just be a little patient

small spruce
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first you don't need Pounce on Ribombee, you'd rather go Psychic Noise to annoy a defensive mon before fainting so you can make the life of one of your sweepers easier

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or bug buzz for another STAB

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you'd also prefer Shield Dust to Honey Gather regarding the ability

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I'm fine with Necrozma but the rest needs some tweaking

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Salamence could run Moxie instead of Intimidate to make it scarier and you could probably make it Lum Berry since your opponent shouldn't have the time to put Rocks up

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so you don't really need the boots

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NP Thundurus is a great idea but you will need focus blast instead of grass knot because you want to take out cyclizar and hisuian goodra which can otherwise threaten you

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I'm not a fan of Gengar here because you'd want a ghost type able to stop cyclizar from removing the sticky web

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this ghost type is usually Weakness Policy Basculegion

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Basculegion-F (F) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 52 Def / 236 SpA / 24 SpD / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Agility
  • Shadow Ball
  • Surf
  • Ice Beam
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that one

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it's extemely threatening and completely discourage the opponent to click Rapid Spin or Knock Off with Cyclizar

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and then you chose to go for Maushold which I also don't really understand because you don't have any knock off users to remove the opposing Rocky Helmets and you kinda don't want to click Tidy Up and remove your own Sticky Web

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so here I'd go something able to take advantage of the web like Gallade, Bisharp (can also discourage Defog attempts) or like Armarouge

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small spruce
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gl soldier o7

half mulch
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thanks,, this is gonna be long

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not too familiar with the teir so im not sure what the threats or noob baits are, but i wanna go balanced offense. only thing im adamant on keeping is life orb reuiniclus cos funny

half mulch
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quagsire

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these two dont go together

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choice items and hyper offense also dont go together 90 percent of the time

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especially not two of them

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cyclizar is supposed to be invested in defenses like the smogdex spread, and not with a defense lowering nature

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honestly I see no synergy

naive junco
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as i said, unfamiliar with the teir, would you be able to offer replacement suggestions?

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youve told me whats wrong but not any way to fix it

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hi ty for sharing your team! So indeed it lacks a bit of structure, it seems like you went for a balanced build but then added sticky webs which is typically something for very offensive builds (you can check the 2 teams that were previously shared here to see)

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I can talk you through the building and get back to the bases of your ideas behind this team or just change it how I like to make it usable

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you tell me

naive junco
small spruce
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grand so

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what was your starting point with this team

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do you want to use a particular Pokemon?

naive junco
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Basically a team that facilitates it. I didn't go trick room as that generally doesn't feel good in singles

small spruce
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great that's a goated set

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as a matter of fact

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a big tournament game happened a few hours ago with the set

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I recommand you check it

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it uses the classic Life Orb Reuniclus set

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you can copy the team too it works very well as you can see

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it might be a bit difficult to use so we can adjust it

worthy lynx
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this is overall solid and I don't see why it couldn't work

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maybe tera water isn't optimal on kilo but that's marginal

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I'd go flyging probably on specs

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but yeah you won't be using tera on kilo most of the time anyway

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very good work

small spruce
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so @pearl spindle volcanion is indeed a pokemon you want to use in more offensive teams

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I think we can pretty safely go for an aggro bulky offense here

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Salamence is a great partner since it can lure and break what volcanion can struggle against like fezandipiti or slowbro

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it can also check ground and fighting type attacks often launched at volcanion

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and volcanion can get in on fairy and ice type moves thrown at salamence

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you'd use the mixed set with Draco Meteor / Hurricane / Earthquake / Roost here

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we can add wishpass like you mentioned if you feel like it'd help you get the most out of volcanion

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let me just say that volcanion is quite bulky on its own so it doesn't necessarily need wish to support it

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but yeah jirachi could be Thunder or Thunder Wave / Iron Head / Wish / U-turn

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then you want something to absorb knock off attempts such as krookodile or terrakion

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I'd probably go krookodile because it's very good atm and having a ground type is almost mandatory these days with Thundurus around

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you could give it Stealth Rock / Knock Off / Earthquake / Gunk Shot

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with Leftovers or Rocky Helmet

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then you want removal so Cyclizar is more or less mandatory here because it also gives you an out against Ghost types such as Gengar and Zoroark-Hisui

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then I'd probably go some sort of speed control with Choice Scarf Gardevoir which gives another Fighting check + a good way to take advantage of volcanion's special breaking power

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you'd go Moonblast / Psychic / Trick / Healing Wish

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and Volcanion would be Steam Eruption / Flamethrower / Taunt / Earth Power

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My bad for getting back to you so late I fell asleep last night. I thank you for the suggestions and team looks really good. I just have a couple questions. On the gardivor I noticed azelf hits for the same damage and is faster is azelf a better choice?? And I know you said Volcanion doesn’t really need the wish protection so what do you recommend in place of jirachi?? Btw good morning

small spruce
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the big plus of gardevoir is that it's fairy type

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which means that its fairy moves are boosted

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and fairy is a very good offensive type in RU

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jirachi is good in almost every composition so you could easily find something to slot instead of wish like encore or psychic noise

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but you could also go for a fatter team with a defensive jirachi and weezing galar instead of cyclizar

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you lose some momentum but gain a stronger backbone

pearl spindle
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Do you recommend the stronger backbone option or keep cylazar?? And so on the team we have volcanion, salamence, gardivor, cyclazar/weezen, jircachi and krookadle. What are there functions and what should I run?? Sorry for all the questions

small spruce
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it really depends on what you prefer to play

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I'd personally chose the stronger defensive core

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but you wanted to use an offense

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so I suggested offense

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something like this should work

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or this

pearl spindle
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Thank you so much for your help i honestly appreciate it. How’s your day so far

small spruce
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anytime

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feel free to come back here if you need anything RU related

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and my day is coming to an end here but it was great ty for asking

pearl spindle
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Just out of curiosity, do you see Zapdos being a good addition to the team somewhere like does it fit? And I know galarean slow bro is NU but for shits and giggles could it be a good addition to the team just wondering lol

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And what got you into liking RU?? And what’s your favorite tier besides RU

small spruce
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it could probably fit in salamence’s slot yes

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glowbro wouldn’t fit here I’m afraid

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its main niche in the tier was countering okidogi which was very popular and broken

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but it recently rose to UU so glowbro isn’t really needed now

worthy lynx
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who do you think's the anti-meta pokemon of RU?

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It's a stall team

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However, I feel like Cyclizar and Salamence are the weak links

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I have had a few okay games though if anyone wants to see

small spruce
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some things come to mind like Galarian Zapdos which is super good atm

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LO Reuniclus too

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Gyarados and Feraligatr have seen some good wins recently

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but the meta is quite offense oriented

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so mons with priority and good rk potential as a whole are great

small spruce
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it just never clicked idk

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but you're right Cyclizar feels unecessary here since talonflame is the prime remover in stall teams

marble girder
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yeah I was thinking maybe Alcreamie could be a decent alternative

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since I don't have a fairy type yet

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it also wouldn't be weak to taunt

small spruce
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actually this isnt stall

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it's fat

marble girder
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fat?

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what's the difference

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🙃

small spruce
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fat means most of your mons are passive and defensive

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stall means every of your mons are like that

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here you have offensive mence, breloom and cyclizar

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for instance

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this is a true stall

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that has seen a lot of usage last meta

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still probably works tbh

marble girder
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Cycalzir is considered offensive?

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I mostly had it for utility

small spruce
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not really it's considered support

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yeah

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so you see in stall you want heal bell chansey

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and spikes quagsire

marble girder
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so hazard stacking?

small spruce
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pretty much yes

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you can add palossand next to help against fighting types and spinblock

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in moltracer's stall this role was fulfilled by sableye

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which also works ig

marble girder
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Is rapid spin more popular than defog?

small spruce
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rapid spin is generally better

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but cyclizar doesn't really fit in stall

marble girder
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🤔

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good to know

small spruce
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even if moltracer believes it does

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so I guess it's possible

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but still very rare

marble girder
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There was an OU stall they was running Cyclizar at one point

small spruce
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because you often need talon to help against fairy and fighting types move

marble girder
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How would a stall team deal with volcanion?

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It's one of the mons giving me trouble rn

small spruce
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volcanion is the big stall killer yes

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especially with taunt

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otherwise quagsire kinda checks it

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chansey also checks it

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cyclizar same

marble girder
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Even if it runs body press?

small spruce
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but it's awkward to position against

small spruce
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because that means it doesn't run taunt

marble girder
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good to know

small spruce
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which means it isn't that threatening to stall teams

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salamence also checks it

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slowbro and umbreon too

marble girder
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On a physical set or a special set for Salamence?

small spruce
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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature

  • Flamethrower
  • Roar
  • Roost
  • Breaking Swipe
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this is what moltracer used

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but the otherwise classic good set is

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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpA / 196 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Hurricane
  • Earthquake
  • Roost
marble girder
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So no DD

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I think I'll go with fat over stall

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Is there any particular mon you would recommend substituting in?

small spruce
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I think that team could be improved with a SD bisharp instead of Breloom and Palossand over Cyclizar

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with heal bell on chansey it should be alright

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even into fezanditpiti

marble girder
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Why specifically Bisharp?

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Also would I transfer stealth rock over to Palossand and put Spikes onto Clodsire then?

small spruce
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and bisharp is overall very good atm

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  • it can punish the defog attempts
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and clean very easily once you chipped the opposing team down

marble girder
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Ok last two question wo

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What would be the second switch in I would use against special attackers? Is it just Blissey?

Also, is it okay that both Talonflame and Palossand both are weak to water and are physically bulky?

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Cause on the physical side I have two pokemon weak to electric and water then

small spruce
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can I get a look at the team

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rq

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palossand shoud always be tera water

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to wall any barraskewda/gyarados/feraligatr attempts

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you could opt for a spread full hp ful speed on talonflame btw to improve the revenge kill potential

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since you don't really need the defense now

small spruce
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water can be tricky

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but chansey should win vs slowro and volcanion

marble girder
small spruce
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quag should be tera poison

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to absorb tspikes

marble girder
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Ok

small spruce
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this doesn't look so bad imo

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feel free to come back if you're encountering more issues

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I might bring a stall/fat specialist to help

half mulch
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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
Dragon Dance
Dual Wingbeat
Earthquake
Roost

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this set has seen some good results yeah

viral shard
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small spruce
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ahem

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please don't shadow ping me blobconfounded

pine roost
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first 4 mons feel very good

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but conk is kind of wacky and i kind of get fried by some special attackers

viral shard
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Volcanion does seeon like a very hard mu for this

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@small spruce https://pokepast.es/454033fe64c532f1

hi, sorry to bother you so I’ve been testing this team and it’s been really great. I just have a dumb question. this is merely based off personal preference but I’m thinking about replacing cyclazar with conkelder with defog do you recommend that replacement or no?

small spruce
# pine roost https://pokepast.es/20eaeea7ec29cc03\

hello! indeed the first 4 are pretty good and work well in the meta rn, you look pretty weak to special attacker (not volcanion tho since your own volc and slowbro should be fine) and your team is pretty slow

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the first easy replacement I would make is using assault vest cyclizar over conkeldurr, it would make some matchups against special attackers way easier like armarouge or gengar which right now are very tough for your team

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  • it is more reliable than conk as a hazard remover
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and brings some speed

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I would change the slowbro set to Calm Mind / Psychic Noise / Scald / Slack Off because it's just way better is so many situation

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Then you could use something that resists ground-type attacks since zapdos is fine but doesn't really want to switch in on krookodile and get knocked and on hippowdon because you can't really damage it

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I would suggest something like breloom or flygon since they both bring speed control in the form of priority and speed boosting move respectively

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both love to come in on hippowdon and can check krook pretty efficiently

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and they can also work well with scarf galarian zapdos since they can lure in and chip galarian weezing and outright threaten to kill stuff like Slowbro and Hippowdon which can be stop zapdos from cleaning late game

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Breloom @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Mach Punch
  • Bullet Seed
  • Rock Tomb

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Substitute
  • Swords Dance
  • Seed Bomb
  • Mach Punch

Flygon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Stone Edge
  • Earthquake
  • Scale Shot
  • U-turn

Flygon @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Earthquake
  • Stone Edge
  • Scale Shot
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any one of these could work great imo

small spruce
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I think conkeldurr wouldn't add much here since it won't be able to remove hazard that well and it would just make the team even slower

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it brings more raw power but does your team really need it with breakers like salamence and volcanion? I'm not so sure

pearl spindle
misty prism
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the easy fix would be to use galarian weezing over slither wing because it'd keep the resistence to ground but add one to fighting

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this change would strenghen the defensive core and make the team slower paced

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if this is not what you want I could suggest using talonflame, salamence or even ammonguss for a more mixed solution

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in my experience you also prefer a defensive tera on choice band zapdos

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you don't really need the tera to boost your damage output thanks to already being a nuke with the choice band

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you can see a few tera dark which offers an immunity to psychic attacks and boosts knock off at the same time so it's a good option

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I also like tera steel to really beat the fairies

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but with two steels already in your team that might not be the best option

small spruce
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so this team is very offense-oriented so can be quite difficult to play because you really have to be careful about the opponent's team and identify which Pokemon will be impossible for you to stop defensively

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so that you can prevent them from ever entering the field or pay a big price if they do

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and you do that by applying pressure with pivoting and breaking power mainly from Slither Wing and Zoroark Hisui

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here the idea of these two Pokemon will be to disguise Zoroark as Slither Wing to bait your opponent into putting their physically defensive Pokemon on the field on Zoroark which will then be able to nuke it out of existence

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to then open up the path for slither wing to pick up a kill everytime it gets on the field

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this means your prime lead will be Zoroark disguised as Slither Wing (by selecting slither last on team preview)

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but you can also directly lead slither wing if you see that the opposing team struggles against it and disguise Zoroark as Krookodile which will also lure key targets for Slither Wing like Hippowdon or Galarian Weezing

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now I don't know what were your problems exactly when using it so I hope this helps

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but really feel free to tell me more if you want information

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Mon

small spruce
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it is yes

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but thanks to its speed it can also be used as a revenge killer

misty prism
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i see

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may do weezing over talon flame

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i feel like i struggle with krookodile

vestal delta
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So I've been playing and haven't been able to break into 1400 quite yet (Maybe a skill issue)?

This if the first team:
https://pokepast.es/70cad28f3cf23691

Second iteration:
https://pokepast.es/f187994030c0f098

I've switched back to the first iteration because it seems to be more successful. However, this team struggles significantly against this one dudes Galarian Weezing's hazard stacking team, Substitute Protect Suicune, and Choice Band Galarian Zapdos. While using the second team, I noticed it lacks Knock Off and struggles with hazards, which causes Blissey to get chipped down and faint, as Talonflame sometimes struggles to switch in and clear hazards. Additionally, Blissey can’t do anything against Ghost-types. However, Bisharp felt good to play maybe the team could benefit from another specially bulky Pokémon or more hazard removal?

Here are some pokemon I'm thinking about substituting in:

https://pokepast.es/2b2771d2e7910f45

  • I think Noivern could also be an option with something like: Roost/defog/taunt/boomburst with heavy duty boots but it's also terrified of knock off like Talon Flame
    Jirachi could also be nice
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so you're going for a hyper offense (HO) archetype which more or less means every single one of your Pokemon are oriented toward dealing damage

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this means that they are pretty frail so you don't want to make much switches since they won't be able to come in on much Pokemon

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this is why most HO opt for 5 Pokemon which can simply sweep on their own like Gallade

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we can also keep Scarf Gardevoir since it helps tremendously against weather teams (thanks to Trace) which can otherwise be very hard to deal with for HO

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Let's also keep Lucario because well you're the Aura Guardian so you gotta have a Lucario

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and actually while this Pokemon isn't very popular in RU it can still be quite threatening, although not with the Choice Band since you won't really be able to sweep with that set, I would advice going for the SD Air Balloon set instead which can be way more devastating

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now you should add a lead, a Pokemon that you will send first to set up the rest of your team for their sweep attempts

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usually they do that by setting up hazards like Stealth Rock

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so here I'd use Terrakion with the Focus Sash

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then for the two slots left I would drop Gengar and Maushold because for the former we have better Special options and for the latter well it's just too hard to position because of rocky helmets as you said

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I would personally slot Yanmega and Armarouge here because they are insanely strong atm and can easily snowball

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Armarouge punishes people trying to Rapid Spin with its ability and Yanmega is just the best sweeper of the tier thanks to Speed Boost and Throat Spray to boost its damage

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they will also greatly weaken the team on the Special side to then let Gardevoir clean more easily

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which would give us something like this

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tell me if you have more remarks or if there is something you don't understand

small spruce
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you said you liked using Bisharp and you reverted to dd Salamence which makes me think you might not be super comfortable with how fat teams are meant to be played (it's pretty hard so that's normal) and that you could maybe find more success with more balanced archetypes?

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Yeah before playing RU I played stall in OU so 🤷‍♂️

small spruce
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in which chansey and quagsire are quite bad since as you said they are super passive and can be walled by important threats

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hmm alright

marble girder
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I'm not exactly sure how I would play a balance

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😭

small spruce
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I'll see if I can get a stall player in here to give you more advices then

marble girder
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I'm not sure if stall work well in this tier though

small spruce
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stall is definitely not optimal here

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we've got a lot of good options against stall

marble girder
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Yeah I've noticed Galarian Zapados is stupidly hard to wall I've been mostly relying on burns from talonflame

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and Suicine is a pain I've mostly been relying on predictions to deal with her

small spruce
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I played against stall earlier let me try to recreate their team

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stack hazard

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maybe a ditto in last slot

marble girder
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Have you played against RUA1 Hoops' stall team?

small spruce
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I have not but I know them

marble girder
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don't try to

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😭

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it's a pain in the ass

marble girder
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or would that be too many waters

small spruce
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this is also a popular stall

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which was used in SCL last week iirc

small spruce
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slowbro and milotic are interchangeable

vestal delta
small spruce
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this is a good example of Healing Wish's utility

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it can oftentimes save the team from a bad matchup

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like being able to put yanmega on the field a second time, bypassing the weakness to stealth rocks if the opponent managed to set them up can be incredible late game

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that can also mean Gallade has 2 oppurtunities to setup and sweep

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Trick is great against fat Pokemon like Empoleon or Jirachi, here it's great since locking a defensive Pokemon on a weak move can mean you get to setup one of your threats for free and snowball after that

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against rain you oftentimes don't need thunderbolt because Moonblast already does a ton of damage, notably to Pokemon like Overqwil which would take less from Thunderbolt you see

vestal delta
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Thanks! (Also forgot about Overqwil lol)

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but for this, I'm a little unclear on the mechanics of healing wish and its order relative to entry hazards. Does it go before or after SR damage?

small spruce
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it goes before

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which makes it quite useful

vestal delta
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So, against rocks, yanmega will be at half to start, both times?

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(also my ideas being all over the place explains why the version that had Expert Belt Azelf with Psyshock, Flamethrower, Energy Ball, U-Turn and LO Azelf swapping one of them for Stealth Rocks did so much better than the one I posted)

small spruce
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I’m not sure I understand the following message tho

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Azelf is quite good, I’d say mixed LO is the best set atm

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with drain punch shadow ball energy ball and psychic I think

vestal delta
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recently encountered scarf + moxie salamence and it wrecked

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the dex is really obsolete, I guess

vestal delta
small spruce
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hmm ok I thought you were talking about the paste you sent here so I didn't get it since it doesn't have Azelf

small spruce
small spruce
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this one?

vestal delta
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yeah, that one

small spruce
vestal delta
# small spruce how is it obsolete

A few strategies missing, though most of the ones that seem to be missing are regarding the ones I play (or used to play)
SD Lucario @ Air Balloon doesn't show - though @ Life Orb does
The variant of Azelf you mentioned isn't there either - the closest is two moves or one move and an item different
Gallade doesn't even mention Night Slash over Leaf Blade or Life Orb over Lum Berry (I've considered swapping back to Lum berry now that I'm dealing with more people who like Burn and Paralyze)

small spruce
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yes a few marginal sets are not yet uploaded

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but it is very far from obsolete

forest coyote
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forest coyote
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i'm not the besr teambuilder

half bridge
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im not the ru rater, but generally speaking cyclizar doesn't have a place on hyper offense in ru

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hyper offense usually needs a way to set up hazards so the momentum shifts in your favor, whether that be at the cost of a lead mon or something different

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and if not hazards, it's weather or screens

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that talonflame doesn't make much sense either considering hyper offense doesn't need a defensive backbone, it needs to break holes in the opposing team or outright sweep it

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yanmega, reva, and maus all work for that but they need more support since they can be exploited

forest coyote
half bridge
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you wanna boost up and sweep, its not as detrimental to lose one mon

forest coyote
half bridge
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ok valid but alternatively: use your own ribom and just trick it a scarf

forest coyote
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i just rembered prankster exists

half bridge
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not many mons get the ability

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i haven't looked at any new shifts, so im not sure if grimm is in ru

forest coyote
forest coyote
half bridge
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ribom isn't necessarily good with screens

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you could use webs

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sticky web

forest coyote
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my worst enemy........

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ok

half bridge
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if you're gonna use screens it's a lot harder without the light clay item

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5 turns really isn't that much time

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and also keep in mind: im not the actual ru rater, they will give MUCH better advice than me so take what i say with a grain of salt

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hmmmmmm ninetales?

half bridge
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eh

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kinda mid

forest coyote
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ninetales would have an easy nicknamr actually

half bridge
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ohh wait alolan ninetales dropped

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aurora veil is likely to be good, yeah

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sorry im just now looking at the tier shifts

forest coyote
small spruce
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yes light clay is banned so ninetales isn't really good in HO structures in RU I'm afraid

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as rocklol said you don't really need Talonflame and Cyclizar if you're going for a HO build

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you'd much rather have a suicide lead like SD kleavor or Terrakion alongside and then popular setup mons like armarouge, salamence mimikyu or bisharp can do the trick

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also Yanmega really wants tera ground with Tera blast

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Revavroom is usually better with the air balloon which makes less reliant on your tera to setup

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Gardevoir is interesting against weather teams but those aren't that popular right now and yanmega can still do a good job against those so you can replace it with one of the mons I suggested above

viral shard
small spruce
midnight violet
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I would put some speed on Politoed, enough to be faster than Conkeldurr

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hit 190 or 191 is pretty good in RU

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means you might also outspeed Wo-Chien

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Overqwil needs a revamp too, the sample set is way batter than this

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Overqwil @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

  • Gunk Shot
  • Crunch
  • Liquidation
  • Swords Dance
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Swords Dance is a better setup move than Curse and these moves are the strongest it can get

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I like the Magnezone

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Basculegion doesn't need to boost its Speed with the Choice Scarf since it has Swift Swim to double its Speed in Rain so just do that and give it the Choice Specs item or Life Orb

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Then I would replace Cyclizar and Quagsire with offense Rain mons like Barraskewda, Gyarados or Kilowattrel

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They're like, just tanky and hard to kill though. Not much offensive power but wastes a lot of resources trying to get through them.

midnight violet
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small spruce
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mystic water isn't powerful enough

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you also don't need 2 steel types

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rain teams are supposed to be offensive

midnight violet
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I have changed my team up a bit.

small spruce
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so don't bother adding slow utility mons they won't help you much

midnight violet
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Right now its Politoed/Overqwil/Bascu-F/Kilowattrel/Barraskewda/Forretress

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and we can drop forr

small spruce
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that looks good

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you can replace forretress by magnezone if you want but both of them are alright

midnight violet
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Magnezone did a lot of work with thunder but I think Forretress's defensive ability is amplified significantly in rain

small spruce
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as I said you don't really need defense

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the point of steel types in rain

midnight violet
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and I got a better rain abuser in Kilo, he gets Hurricane

small spruce
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is to deal with Gardevoir

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which otherwise counters rain completely thanks to Trace

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Kilo is great in rain yeah

midnight violet
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I swapped zone for kilo when I added it

small spruce
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Thunder + Hurricane + weather ball

midnight violet
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Why's Bronzong so low again?

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I thought Bronzong was a monster in every game I had it

small spruce
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because it competes with Jirachi

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which is better in almost every way

midnight violet
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Ah

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Jirachi just usually isn't available in most games though.

small spruce
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how so?

midnight violet
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It's a legendary and those aren't always available ingame?

small spruce
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oh yeah but like

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on pokemon showdown

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you can always use it when you want

midnight violet
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Yep

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So, now I need a sixth slot.

small spruce
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with forretress or magnezone in last slot

midnight violet
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What set of Forre?

small spruce
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you're good to go here

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hm

midnight violet
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I want Explosion

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because it's funny

small spruce
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haha alright

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then rocks

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spin

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explosion

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and like body press

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or volt switch

midnight violet
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normal gem to boost explosion kekw

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probably lefties though

small spruce
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or rocky helmet

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if you're gonna explode you don't need to recover HP

midnight violet
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lol fair