#RU Rates

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small spruce
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but usually even if they switch out memento will be valuable for cloyster or lycanrock

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you can also manipulate the oppo thanks to illusion to try and get memento on a specific mon

forest oracle
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forest oracle
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sun team wildin

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it's doin pretty good so far

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i don't have alot of hazard control doe

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i don't know which Mon to swap out for a defogger

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maybe diance

small spruce
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I don't think you need hazard control in sun

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but on the other hand I agree that diancie might not be it in here

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thing is

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sun's best archetype is HO imo

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the same way as rain

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so you really get the most out of the sun turns

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diancie is a slow paced pokemon so you wont be able to take advantage of sun when it's on the field

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and what will keep hazards off is just you pressuring your opponent

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and making sure that if they use a turn tu set rocks up well they are gonna regret it

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by setting up something for exemple

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on that you have a few pokemon which could use a set revamp imo

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horoark is a good idea in weather based teams

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but here I think you'll be better off with specs than sash np

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you don't waste turns and just hit hard as soon as you're on the field yk

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so armarouge could be changed too for a boots set with calm mind

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and turn it into a great sweeper with the ability to outspeed pretty much everything

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and you can take 24 EV off of Speed to put in HP

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it ensures you outspeed anything below ttar full speed at +0

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and anything below +1 maushold when boosted by weak armor

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so diancie could be changed for either slither wing or scovillain imo

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slither wing for pure damage because this mons is just absurd on sun

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you could even use flame charge to turn it into something more speedy

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but scovillain is imo the scariest sun mon at our disposal in RU

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(which is saying something about sun here but moving on hehe)

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you could go something like growth/energy ball (no solar beam because sand)/flamethrower (or fire blast if you feel lucky) / filler

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filler being tera blast tera ground maybe or giga drain, overheat idk

forest oracle
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will be making these changes

small spruce
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anytime!

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feel free to come back and share your results with these changes !

fierce musk
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small spruce
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yeah this looks better I like it

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did you test it yet ?

fierce musk
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will do soon

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So far the team works/synergises pretty well especially the spdef boost from sand on lycanroc which saved me a match the only grief I have is tsareena only healing 25% because of the sand

small spruce
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yeah synthesis is in a bad place atm

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same problem chesnaught has

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you can still use something like

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knock off

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over it

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if you think it'll be more useful

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but in most cases synthesis is fine in my opinion

golden terrace
small spruce
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hi

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I'm unfortunately not on point with gen 8 so I can't give advice on the team

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however

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we have an "old gens" channel on the RU discord in which you can post this team to get feedbacks

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here is the link to the discord if you're interested

tiny ravine
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tiny ravine
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been struggling against volcanion

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why is volcanion even an ru mon

frigid sable
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https://pokepast.es/a0568d9048ab6634 @small spruce Hi! Pretty new to teambuilding, and I want to make a Lucario-themed team. So far I have:
Azelf- Rock setter
Manaphy- Covers Lucario's fighting/steel weaknesses.
Rotom-Washed- Pivot.
Would love recommendations on what to add next and things I should look out for

knotty walrus
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He gives godly gen 8 ru rates

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Wait nvm

small spruce
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if you think you need more I'd advise getting rid of the espeon for something more rain oriented

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usually the last slot is dedicated to counter gardevoir

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tinkaton is often the preferred option but might not help that much against volcanion

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suicune comes to mind with its good SpD

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if you don't want to use a slot for garde you can have a tera steel/poison

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it does the trick as well

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I can also see salamence being a pretty good option for volcanion

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I've seen it used in rain lately

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a special set

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so you could go for that too

small spruce
small spruce
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you can just go SD on Crunch basically and Life Orb as an item

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then some use bullet punch as steel STAB to compensate lucario's mid speed

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now Lucario wants to be pivoted in on Steel and Fairy types (especially if you keep meteor mash)

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so the prime pivot I see atm would be hydreigon

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which does lure these kind of Pokemon

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hydreigon works well with manaphy too because it can take advantage of its breaking abilities and clean after manaphy destroyed the opposing team

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at this point I would either go for offense and get rid of the rotom

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or go BO and get rid of the azelf

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for a BO I'd go lucario, manaphy, hydreigon and then rotom, cyclizar, hippowdon

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for offense I'd go scarf kleavor (which can pivot lucario in on steel types as well as setting rocks), lucario, manaphy, hydreigon/iron jugulis, azelf/zoroark-hisui, zarude, mamoswine

drowsy wing
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so far my team hasn’t been doing that bad, but sometimes I get completely swept and I was wondering if there’s anything I was doing wrong with it

small spruce
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hmm

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i'm guessing you get swept by Calm Mind boosting Pokemon and such

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because otherwise ditto kinda counters setup sweepers

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so I'll give some advice for the different sets you have here

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blastoise is better as a specially defensive Pokemon

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so surf / ice beam is better

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and for the last slot I would use tera blast tera grass

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to remove bulky waters and therefore ease cloyster's sweep afterwards

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you don't have to be fancy with the spreads btw you can just go max spe max spa for blastoise

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and max spe max atk for cloyster

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now to address the sweeping issue

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I think gengar should be choice scarf/specs (your choice)

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and you can use trick on it to cripple cm setup

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and then shadow ball / sludge wave / focus blast

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with a tera to boost on of your stab

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I have also seen tera dark which is like ok ig

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thundurus needs to apply pressure so you want to go with the thunderbolt and not discharge

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you have enough speed control in your team

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so thunder wave is also not useful enough

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you can go grass knot to KO grounds wanting to switch in on thundurus

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such as quagsire or hippowdon

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then to keep the pressure on volt switch is perfect to be able to pivot your sweepers in and shell smash

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problem is you don't want to pivot on grass type that resist thunderbolt and grass knot

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because blastoise and cloyster won't be able to setup on them

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so you can go sludge wave as a 4th move

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now the last mon

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frankly I don't think cyclizar is it on this team

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the main use of this mon is to spin

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but you don't really need to get rid of hazards here

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so I would go for a big physical breaker

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because they just rule the tier atm

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mienshao sounds good because it can pivot on fairy and psychic types which gengar loves

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and it pressures steels

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so you can go life orb with close combat / knock off / triple axel / u-turn

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I can also see kleavor to setup rocks and pivot

drowsy wing
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OK I decided to remake my entire team

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would this be pretty good?

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small spruce
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better

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but this gengar set is still not it

drowsy wing
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ru

small spruce
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and you have way too many tera blast pokemon

drowsy wing
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yeah

small spruce
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iron jugulis doesn't need it

drowsy wing
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I basically just made this team I’m going to iron it out

small spruce
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use earth power

drowsy wing
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appreciate it

small spruce
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tera ground

drowsy wing
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so you mentioned something wrong with Ganger?

small spruce
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and kleavor can have u-turn to pivot

drowsy wing
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yeah, I’ll get rid of most of the Terra blast

small spruce
drowsy wing
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yeah, that makes sense

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should I replace sucker punch then?

small spruce
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yes

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you want to have special moves

drowsy wing
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what would be a good replacement?

small spruce
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focus blast

drowsy wing
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yeah, I just had that for if the enemy had a priority move, but was like 10 HP

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yeah, that would be a lot better. Appreciate it.

small spruce
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np

drowsy wing
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up until basically a couple days ago I’ve only really played random battle so my teambuilding isn’t quite the best yet

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i’m like slightly above 1000

small spruce
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Cyclizar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Power Whip / Draco Meteor
  • Knock Off
  • Rapid Spin
  • U-turn
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this is the preferred set for cyclizar

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bt again

drowsy wing
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oh all right

small spruce
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I don't think it fits that well in this team

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you don't need to remove hazards

drowsy wing
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yeah, I just get a lot of people throwing down sticky web and things like that

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so that was to help with that

small spruce
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it's true that webs are a big thing atm

drowsy wing
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yeah

small spruce
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but yanmega and jugulis are not affected by it

drowsy wing
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Fairpoint

small spruce
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and you can give gengar the hdb

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to make it immune as well

drowsy wing
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HDB?

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oh, the boots

small spruce
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heavy duty boots

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boots gengar is good

drowsy wing
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so that instead of a choice item?

small spruce
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and so cyclizar can be mienshao like I said above

small spruce
drowsy wing
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OK I’ll make that adjustment to my team. Thank you so much.

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is there anything else I should replace or is that good for now?

small spruce
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anytime

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yeah tinkaton has a low attack stat

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so fake out is not worth it on it

drowsy wing
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all right

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that was pretty much just there to get a free hit

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i’ll replace it with U-turn

small spruce
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you can go encore to annoy defensive pokemon you struggle against

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tinkaton doesn't have u-turn

drowsy wing
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whoops

small spruce
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you can also go Swords Dance

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to be an offensive threat

drowsy wing
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all right, thanks!

small spruce
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np!

drowsy wing
small spruce
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regenerator

drowsy wing
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appreciate it

small spruce
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helps you mitigate the damage from life orb

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and pivot easily

drowsy wing
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thanks!

small spruce
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yw

wary isle
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This isnt for a team but a specific pokemon, I want to see how it can be used

simple sedge
pastel pecan
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small spruce
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not sure about the others

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necrozma is mostly used as HO lead with rocks + meteor beam

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atm

small spruce
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I'd use eviolite on bisharp

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and booster jugulis on krookodile

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it's as fast as a scarf and paves the way for a zoroark sweep

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you can go tera poison on zoroark to boost sludge bomb

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and tera ghost/flying on bisharp

small spruce
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which means that cyclizar isn't that useful because it'll slow you back more than anything

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and you shouldn't have hazards on your side of the field if azelf is played correctly

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so it's not even good to remove hazards

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I'd go full HO with offensive and setup mons aside lycan here

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zapdos galar is usually a good partner for lycanroc

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scarf or band as you wish

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with zapdos's koff you can use maushold wihtout being afraid of rocky helmets

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and then maybe something like taunt gengar and comfey

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to ease the mu against other offense mons like jugulis or gardevoir

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or mimikyu

pastel pecan
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Alright

pastel pecan
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just need to figure out a last mon

simple sedge
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or defensive stuff

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here it is after changes

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typically im disuising zoroark as bisharp/tandemaus

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or azelf but less often

small spruce
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Comfey is also better with tera ground to hit steels

small spruce
simple sedge
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kk

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is sludge better than flamethrower on hzoroark?

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there isnt a lot in the tier that warrants sludge from my knowledge

wary isle
small spruce
small spruce
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something like this

wary isle
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I see the vision

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I like it

small spruce
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tera is whatever

wary isle
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Thank you!

small spruce
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anytime

simple sedge
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thanks for the help boss

wary isle
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@small spruce I was wondering if I could get some help making a team. I want to make a team with MInor on it but I'm not sure how to structure it. All I know is that I have good support with Slowking

small spruce
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hi, I don't know if you're on the RU Showdown room a lot but if you want we can talk there or in pm live and I can help build the team

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I don't have much time but I'll try to help as much as I can

drowsy wing
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@small spruce hey I made a hyper offensive team and I was wondering if I could get your opinion on it?

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drowsy wing
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sorry for the late ping

small spruce
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I have just some adjustements to make to some sets

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like zoroark can have a STAB tera to boost its damages

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ghost is often the preferred one

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zapdos band's goal is to deal the most damage possible as well so you should go with the strongest fighting STAB which is close combat

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I also think Knock Off is better for utility than Throat Chop

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and zapdos wants tera Steel to resists fairy and psychic moves

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or tera fighting to boost Close Combat

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Bisharp should also have a defensive tera such as Flying or Ghost

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and finally Comfey should be Tera Ground to use tera blast to get rid of steels

drowsy wing
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sorry, I was asleep

small spruce
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nw you're welcome

drowsy wing
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drowsy wing
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didn’t mean to ping twice

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I find that this team has been doing really well except for Zoro that often gets killed pretty easily

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I was thinking something like iron leaves, but I already have a few speed checking Pokémon

small spruce
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iron leaves would be alright yeah

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it can weaken fairy types for comfey and jugulis

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and help maushold clean

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something like revavroom would sound good as well

drowsy wing
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now that you can’t use it anymore

small spruce
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as a CM setup, reuniclus and cresselia are good

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but as fairy type you’re better off with gardevoir or enamorus (which can also CM)

hoary willow
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https://pokepast.es/c1d1a40afe670ca4 hey all, new to the teir and have been having a lot of fun trying to make shell smash tort work. Would love opinions on evs, and whether scarf hoop is a good idea or not. thanks!

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small spruce
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Rock Blast only really works with the Loaded Dice

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Otherwise I'm not really sure about hoopa I've not seen scarf yet tbh

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it doesn't look that good because it's really slow anyway even with scarf

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usually people use an item to boost its damages like Choice Specs or Band

hoary willow
small spruce
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once the meta gets bulkier for sure

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but for now I think you just want to hit hard

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so coverage is better

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even mixed coverage is good

worthy lynx
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what's a good anti stall core? Been encountering stall teams recently. Got my ass kicked by a rain dish rapid spin blastoise.

small spruce
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stall struggles against powerful wallbreakers such as the following

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conkeldurr, breloom, hoopa, iron leaves, thundurus, zapdos-galar

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you can also go the full setup route with Pokemon like suicune, cresselia or reuniclus

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okidogi is also very strong against passive teams like stall

worthy lynx
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thank you I'll take note of this

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worthy lynx
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i'm 0-3 with this team idek what to do anymore

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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alright

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bit late but exams don't let me play that much atm

small spruce
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but you really don't need double scarf + tailwind kleavor

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kleavor can run cc instead

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yanmega is not a good idea if you have a suicide lead that cannot prevent rocks to be setup on your side

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so I'd advice something like Iron Leaves

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which synergizes well with revavroom

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and for the double scarf thing, I would just use trick scarf gengar (no need for energy ball)

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and gapdos can run choice band

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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it looks better

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you can go close combat as fighting STAB for gapdos as your goal is to deal as much damage as you can

worthy lynx
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been facing opponents with higher elo lately. I had no choice but to use a new team. My friends suggested me a bulky offensive core with slowking-hippo-cyclizar core https://pokepast.es/af2889d646caa546

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small spruce
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yeah I've seen you the ru discord

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this team is good

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not a fan a SpD hippo tho but that's more of a me thing

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I'd go def hippo

worthy lynx
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gar and thund are better in the late game side as well.

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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it's probably ok but looks quite difficult to use

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so if you just began I wouldn't recommend

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but if you want to try it

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use ice beam over protect on suicune

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and brave bird over u-turn for talonflame

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and the reuniclus set is supposed to be focus blast over recover or acid armor

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because mono attacker stored power just sucks

worthy lynx
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Yeahhh this team was scrapped. I’m planning to use a sun team I saw earlier quite a unique team might I add

worthy lynx
small spruce
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yeah a guy named froggy uses it for rult

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I don't think it's good

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but feel free to use it

worthy lynx
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yeah I like his take on slither wing. Bulk Up-- Skitter Smack-- Flame Charge--Morning Sun

worthy lynx
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damn i got kicked back to 1100 imma need a HO team to catapult myself to 1200 or at least 1250.

small spruce
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the sun team is a sort of HO already

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you should use teams in the sample thread

worthy lynx
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i have an idea in mind, I wanna build a team around Tera Fairy Esperr Wing Braviary-H which pokemon are best fits with it

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nvm it's not fast to set up

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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ig the team looks ok

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I don't think braviary hisui is a great pick but this mon always manage to be niche in RU so I can see it

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be careful against Iron Leaves tho you have very little options to deal with it

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I think you might be completely blocked by any steel type not name cobalion (and even coba looks hard)

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because your braviary set can't touch steel

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and the rest of the team can't really pressure them

worthy lynx
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yeah, this team looks good on paper. I decided to build around Fezandipiti instead, I find this mon underrated, has decent bulk and speed as well

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doesn't necessarily need to be a setup sweeper but at least a pivot

worthy lynx
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bold harbor
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Does this work?

small spruce
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2 of these guys are not RU

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and two others will drop next friday

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I'm afraid you will have trouble making this work

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I'm all for using undertiered pokemons

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but this is too much imo

bold harbor
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What could work?

small spruce
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to make it work on the ladder rn i would have to change the majority of the team

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so I'm not sure if that's ok with you

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especially since the shifts are next friday basically

bold harbor
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Yeah

small spruce
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what was the idea behind the team

safe geode
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safe geode
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new to ru so kinda lost

small spruce
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what are you struggling with ?

safe geode
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rotom heat and alolan muk. donphan is at times feeling like a viability

small spruce
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yeah I feel like in such teams you could afford to go full def on donphan to keep it alive longer

safe geode
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cress also just feels a lil funny here

small spruce
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alolan muk is very rarely used + you have tink who should be fine against it

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yeah this set of cress is always awkward to use

safe geode
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yeah i just faced a team with both. had to set up with cress in order to win at all

small spruce
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you could stick to something more standard for a first team

safe geode
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what would that be?

small spruce
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the simple fix would be to replace donphan with hippo

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and cress with cyclizar

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now you could also

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keep donphan

safe geode
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hippo kinda hurts my lefties users tho

small spruce
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and replace cress with moltres

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with which you should have specs porygon

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to fully abuse moltres' pivot

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on water types oftentimes

safe geode
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yeah tera blast pory has been really fun so far. especailly against the occasional breloom

small spruce
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I bet yeah

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cool set

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I haven't seen that many tera blast porygon

safe geode
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are we going fast or slot pivot molt?

small spruce
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I'd go fast

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because otherwise gyarados is a pain

safe geode
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bravebird or ft?

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oh also u said a bulkier donphan. you got an evs spread for that?

small spruce
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you can keep the one you have

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well no nvm

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max hp

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always 84 Spe

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and the rest in def

safe geode
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keep ada or go impish?

small spruce
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someone made a post about this

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you can make up your own mind about it

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ru-metagame-discussion-the-indigo-disk-iron-jugulis-banned-post-128.3733547/post-9994500

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Metagame - SV RU Metagame Discussion (The Indigo Disk | Iron Juguli...

You're not about to say "Will-O may not hit so don't bank on that!!!" when your whole argument with Rev is "it flinches 30% of the time!!!".

Wanted to point out that "Your otherwise winning strategy has a 15% chance of losing" is very different than "Your otherwise losing strategy has a 30%...

small spruce
safe geode
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sickk

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do i have a good tera on pory?

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and fera

small spruce
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I only used ghost

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to boost sball

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and so I use tri attack for normal stab

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but fairy sounds fine

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doesn't help against steels tho

safe geode
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maybe i should go ft on molt then

small spruce
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but if specs I'd say it's ok

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you can yeah

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I have not used brave bird so far on moltres tbh

safe geode
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i like the look of dragon on fera ngl. walls rotom, thundy, some basc attacks

small spruce
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yeah dragon is a good tera atm I can see it

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but on dd mons like feraligatr

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you like offensive tera usually

safe geode
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yeah cuz how often am i clicking crunch

small spruce
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to boost damage

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I have seen tera blast tera grass too on this guy

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to kill bulky waters

safe geode
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i got the monkey i think im good in that regard

small spruce
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btw you might want to add bulk up on u-turn on zarude

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the set is broken

safe geode
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makeshift scizor i see

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over what tho

small spruce
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more or less

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over uturn

safe geode
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cuz i like junglehealing

small spruce
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jungle healing is good yeah

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you can setup on all the waters thanks to it

safe geode
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but ill only have a singular pivot if i go bu

small spruce
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up to you

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ik some people like several pivot options

safe geode
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i usually do

small spruce
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the team would be fine

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so it's ok

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just a suggestion

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but do expect most zarude to be BU in the tier

safe geode
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i see

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i think bu can prob work

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i dont like the lack of pivots. but this is the same guy that early in my time in gen 8 ou and nd i would run 3 pivots

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which imo is OD

small spruce
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lol it might be yeah

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pivot is good

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but some are oftentimes not useful

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here zarude will not really help porygon get it with uturn

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because stuff like cobalion will switch in

safe geode
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i see

small spruce
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it looks good

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I hope you don't run into thundurus

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:3

safe geode
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may we pray to arceus

small spruce
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glhf

safe geode
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thanks so much

small spruce
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anytime

bold harbor
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Hydration goodra with rest is an amazing tank

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Boosted feraligatr liquidation and hurricane braviary

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I swapped out braviary for overquil for swift swimmer or i could use basculegion

scenic drift
small spruce
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so goodra is not a good fit

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physical attacker can easily abuse it

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braviary hisui is not fast enough

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you need swift swimmers

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like overqwil and basculegion

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or kindgra

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so it was a good idea to swap them

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the classic rain team rn would be politoed / kilowattrel / kingdra / floatzel / overqwil / tinkaton or magnezone

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you do you

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tried making my own team

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does it seem decent?

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I might replace focus blast with encore on Genar

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so if anyone use a fighting type attack, I could switch in to him and use them to set up nasty plot

small spruce
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focus blast is better to not be walled by the #1 mon of the tier

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cryogonal also has nothing to do in a HO

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playing very offensively is a form of hazard control in itself

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usually you'd use this slot to slot a suicide lead

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to ensure you have hazards setup

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like azelf, kleavor and such

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wanted to build a balance offense around hoopa-u

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molt is the standard physdef set, punishes uturns
i added mimikyu as a setup sweeper that appreciates hoopa's offensive utility and it's also a check to stuff like guts conk, revenge kills iron leaves and basc-f

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forretress is for compression for hazards + spin, i opted for twave over iron head bc it slows stuff down for hoopa and mimikyu

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for chesnaught i've been trying out leech seed over synthesis and it's been working pretty well at putting things on a timer and forcing switches

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it works well with spiky shield esp vs cincinno and it's just more ways for me to force chip dmg

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scarf garde is here for speed control, trace has been helpful for thundy-t and carried me in the rain matchup

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it's more of a utility set bc i felt that healing wish is nice for getting health back on molt or chesnaught, and trick cripples walls, i might consider dropping twave for a psychic stab in case i struggle vs gengar

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for problem matchups, uhhh sun was pretty hard to deal with it basically forces me to tera chesnaught or forretress if i really need a twave

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rain is also a really hard one, but between tera water forretress and trace garde it's been manageable

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i'm mostly looking for ev optimizations and possible moveset adjustments

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(27 hp ivs on mimikyu to minimize recoil from disguise)

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lum berry has been a really tempting item for mimikyu bc it gets around molt to an extent, but the extra firepower on spell tag is really nice

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+2 252+ Atk Spell Tag Mimikyu Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Basculegion-F: 380-450 (99.7 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Spell Tag Mimikyu Shadow Sneak vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Iron Leaves: 300-354 (86.9 - 102.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO (93.8% after one layer of spikes)

small spruce
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pretty good first draft tbh

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if your goal is to build a balance around hoopa-u then I have some change you can add to strenghen this team

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first forretress and chesnaught serve the same role and basically check the same things

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which mean that you can afford using only one of them

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I would advice getting rid of forretress because it's really not that good at staying alive and tanking hits atm the tier is too strong and fast for it

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and its spike utility can be given to chesnaught instead of spiky shield

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you can have synthesis over leech seed if you think leech seed without protect isn't worth it

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but imo it is good enough

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especially since synthesis is not that good now that hippo and therefore sand is very common

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  • cincinno and maushold will get eliminated by the rocky helmet anyway so you don't need the chip of spiky shield
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so I would suggest something like Spikes/Leech Seed,Synthesis/Body Press/Iron Defense, Wood Hammer, Knock Off

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now by removing forretress we would still lack lack hazard removal and pivot

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lucky this can be achieved by adding the best pokemon of the tier which is Cyclizar

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This mon will be very good to improve the matchup of your team against pokemon such as Thundurus or Gengar

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To round up this basic changes I would also advice keeping a Psychic STAB on Gardevoir, it will be more useful than twave

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I don't have that much time sadly but this would be the minimum I would change to get this team to be tournament ready

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this would be with bigger changes

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gengar with tspikes forces a lot of switches that benefit the positioning of hoopa and gapdos is atm a better scarfer than gardevoir and it can take advantage of hoopa's damage on physically defensive mons such as hippowdon to clean easily later in the game

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oh and chesnaught wants tera steel prob

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feel free to ping me if you need clarification I'll do my best to answer in time despite my busy end of the week

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it also feels a bit harder to play around mimikyu, and there's also the risk if them running tera fire to dodge the burn from molt

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i'm guessing the counterplay here is gapdos bb after i break disguise with a uturn?

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also revarooms are scary but that's a given haha

small spruce
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Oh that’s a mistake yeah sorry, supposed to be Timid

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I should stop clicking on the ps spread

viscid jay
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yea they see one physical move and assume you're mixed lol

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also a minor thing since zarude is getting suspected rn, but any counterplay to tera poison bu sets?

small spruce
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Iron defense chesnaught should be ok against reva

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And if you’re a turn behind you’ll have to tera yeah

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Same for zarude

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This Chesnaught should beat it

viscid jay
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alr thanks!

silk cradle
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Haven't played much since the tier shifts

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tauros aqua is really not that good atm

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and you have no ground resist and electric immunity

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if you want to build around cinccino you have to run bullet seed btw

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otherwise rocky helmet hippo (which is everywhere) will beat you just by switching in

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you can drop triple axel for it

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I also think that cinccino can't be your only removal option if you build something slow and defensive like this

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so you should incorporate cyclizar somewhere in this

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as an easy fix, you can replace bellibolt with thundurus-therian

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and tauros aqua with cyclizar

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for details I would use Facade as STAB for cyclizar

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because it's your only relevant volcanion and moltres check

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hoopa should also have a defensive tera

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even if scarfed imo

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so either steel or fairy is good

small spruce
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which is a team style that is quite on the backfoot atm

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i stopped playing NU stall when sui got banned and i wanted to push sui but then switched it out

small spruce
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so I would suggest scrapping umbreon and chansey for 2 attackers and get you a good balance

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suicune is good in RU you can definitely use it

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I think I have a team with it that I can give you if you want

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but it's not stall

small spruce
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because slowbro without scald and thundurus without tbolt will not serve you well on the ladder I'm afraid

harsh flume
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umbreon is quite good yeah

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chansey not so much

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umbreon is a momentum kill tho which is hard to play around in this meta I feel like

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and you get hard countered by so many top tiers like fezandipiti and cobalion

silk cradle
# small spruce sadly I have little hopes for teams like this to work in the tier

Thanks for the feed back. I'm actually surprised with the level of detail you gave. It actually helps lower latter players and new ones understand more about the game and tier. In some other channels and servers when I ask for advice, all I get is, wtf is that team or why are you using that Pokémon/move/ability /ivs/EVs and instead of actually giving feedback they just say to not use that Pokémon/move/ability /ivs/EVs but never suggest what to actually use and how to actually improve the team. Like, I know what I'm doing wrong, but I don't know what to do to make it right

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But yeah, with that team, I saw a video from Freezai talking about how good Cinccino was in uu and I thought, if Cinccino is that good in uu, how good would he be in ru. With Fezandipiti, I've use him before and liked using him before. Tauros-Paldea-Aqua I remembered seeing in s teir in the old viability rankings and thought I'd have to slot him in somewhere, and with Deoxys-Defense, I saw the tier shifts and saw he was moved to ru and wondered how good he was. The other two were just more or less random picks since I saw how many defensive Pokémon were actually in the tier

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https://pokepast.es/bbb7c55567a22956 ive posted this team before, but i had to replace tink with fort and am a bit unsure if the standard set of fort work well with the team. thanks

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I’ll answer the rest later today if I can make time for it

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I like the core formed by band slither and torterra, I think it can work quite well

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however the team looks defensively weak

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mainly because forretress is very hard to justify over other walls with recovery

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namely hippowdon, moltres or deoxys

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especially in a team where you don't need it to spin which is its prime niche atm

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I think I would scrap it and hoopa out of the team and add a bulkier structure with hippowdon or amoonguss and registeel

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you could also opt for a more offensive approach ig and keep the slither + torterra core and build a ho or offense around them

small spruce
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while learning the tier altogether when you climb the ladder

small spruce
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but chesnaught is quite rare so I don't think you should account for this kind of mons to the point of removing a mon of your team to have a better mu against them

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  • zarude is banned now so you have a free slot
worthy lynx
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hmmm bisharp's a good replacement as a setup sweeper?

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either bisharp or mimikyu

hoary willow
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I would personally see something like breloom or slither wing here

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to in on opposing hippo and wallbreak to allow scarf hoopa to clean afterwards

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  • slither wing helps against iron leaves
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which your team might struggle against

worthy lynx
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i decided to replace zarude with breloom loaded dice set

small spruce
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alright

worthy lynx
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I'd like to build a fire-water-grass core

worthy lynx
small spruce
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moltres gastrodon amoongus probably

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hard to make a fwg core without moltres in RU atm

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heattom maybe

worthy lynx
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its generally worked for me.

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I would advise you to check this post in the sample thread from a guy who played the terrain quite a bit

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their team is outdated but you can probably find it useful nonetheless

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I think their set of iron leaves is better than swords dance muscle band

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you kinda want the power right when arriving on the field to start breaking the opposing team

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thundurus might not be that good of a terrain abuser because it's a flying type which means its electric moves are not boosted if I'm not mistaken

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you could try iron thorns as grounded electric type

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it's only niche is in in terrain teams so it would fit

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and I think the set of Mew could be changed with a Calm Mind electric seed set

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to really take advantage of that terrain

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with speed and hp for the spread

small spruce
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Hi I'm planning to build a team around DD Gyarados. Which pokemon should I use to complement

small spruce
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I think the offensive core oh thundurus, crawdaunt, zoroark-hisui is not bad

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but zoroark should really be scarf to have that speed control

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you don't need it to deal enormous damages because that'd be crawdaunt's job

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and zoroark will be here to support and help you with that thanks to illusion

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now the main issue is the defensive core because the Pokemon you chose don't have the best synergy + their longevity is pretty bad + you don't have any way to remove hazards

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the easy fix would be to replace the three pokemon by a classic cyclizar, hippowdon, empoleon

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I advise you to check the sets commonly used on some of these Pokemon in the smogon dex

small spruce
worthy lynx
small spruce
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you will also need something to lure and damage the bulky waters like slowbro

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stuff like volcanion, mixed infernape or even jirachi can be good for that

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throw a cyclizar in there because you don't really want to run boots on gyarados

worthy lynx
small spruce
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lum berry is probably better

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life orb wouldn't even sound bad to me as well

hard basin
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Anyway thanks you for your time! Ill take your opinion in consideration!! :3

small spruce
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it can be hard to position crawdaunt correctly I can see that

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but it's usually a kill button

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you should probably use some speed on it btw

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you want to be faster than threatening mons like enamorus, rhyperior + even wo-chien and empoleon

hard basin
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Hm i can understand that. My main issue was that i couldnt switch into that mon with the stealthrock attack whose name Im forgetting

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Id just scalding with suicune in front of it

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(i scalded a salamence 5 times as it setup on me, it was very sad, but thats besides the point ;-;)

small spruce
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kleavor ?

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with hippowdon this mon shouldn't be a problem

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  • you can use flip turn on empoleon to pivot into crawdaunt more easily
hard basin
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Yes that one!

small spruce
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and dragon dance salamence can't do anything to hippowdon

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you can just whirlwind it

hard basin
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Hmm you're right

small spruce
worthy lynx
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alrighttt notedd

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looks decent overall

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I think you always need body press on volcanion to hit cyclizar

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so here you can drop earth power or sludge bomb

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intimidate is better on gyarados imo because it really needs everything he can have to help it setup

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substitute can be a good idea tbh but if you see that it doesn't quite work you can still use earthquake for coverage or taunt to setup on bulkier mons

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and if you're using scarf jirachi you should slot Trick or/and Healing Wish

worthy lynx
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alright noteddd

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body press volc is also an underrated set

worthy lynx
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looks pretty good

worthy lynx
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it looks pretty good but definitely experimental tho

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I'm not a fan of fezandipiti ngl

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70 of base stat in SpA is just very weak

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and I don't think Nasty Plot can fix that

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I'm also not a fan of this krook set

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like imagine going against a hippowdon with earthquake and stone edge

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which is not that uncommon btw

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well the team will just crumble

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pokeaim had rhyperior so he could've won easily imo but the fezandipiti set surprised him and he let it setup

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I think the team can work, especially against slower builds but you will oftentimes have to work harder than your opponent if he knows how to play his hippo

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the easy patch I could see would be to replace jirachi by this zapdos set:
Zapdos-Galar @ Protective Pads
Ability: Defiant
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Taunt
  • Thunderous Kick
  • Brave Bird
  • U-turn
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which is designed to beat hippo and it works very well

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that would facilitate cobalion's job in the endgame as well as make fezandipiti's setup less committal

worthy lynx
worthy lynx
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is there any nubl pokemon that can actually thrive in this tier? Planning to build a team around any nubl mon (Imma pass on Gyarados since I already did that)

small spruce
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they are all viable in RU

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alongside many NU mons like infernape, diancie, feraligatr, lycanroc, mienshao, raikou, noivern, registeel, reuniclus, rhyperior, slowbro

worthy lynx
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which mons are underrated? Like I wanna suprise my opponents with pokemon that haven't been used but deserves more use at the same time, I wanna use underrated sets to surprise my opponent

hoary willow
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is registeel only good for id/bp or is there more to it?

small spruce
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we have a LOT of options in the tier rn

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so there's definitely room for creativity

small spruce
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and of course it can setup rocks

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but IronPress + tera turns it into a wincon which is often overlooked in game

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so it can be deadly

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but yeah you can totally play it differently, it's still one of the few steel types viable in RU so it's quite easy to slot in a team imo

hoary willow
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isnt revaroom a bit better? idk if its still in ru but I feel it could be a good defensive mon. It's got gear shift witch is crazy, plus isn't it a grounded poison? I have registeel on my shell smash team and it can sweep when the opponent isnt excpecting it feels one note or kinda not synergistic with my team and im thinking of finding a different steel type for my team

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but as you said there arent that many viable steels in RU

small spruce
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oh revavroom is definitely better if you're looking for pure offensive pressure

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but while reva was used as a defensive mon earlier in the gen it's not the case anymore because we have better defensive options such as registeel, cobalion, empoleon or jirachi now

hoary willow
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oh shoot i forgot about jirachi

small spruce
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yeah it feels surreal that it's in RU ngl

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but yeah it is very good atm so feel free to abuse it

hoary willow
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is something like this good? i feel my team always lacked special offense. used to run hoopa, so i think this is a great balance of bulk and power

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if you're going for a setup sweeper set with Calm Mind then you don't need a move that will kill you, on the other hand you will need more coverage because this set does nothing to common threat like empoleon or moltres or amoonguss

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for that I would go with Flash Cannon / Psychic Noise / Thunderbolt

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as coverage

hoary willow
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ok thanks! does poison work or maybe a tera that avoids dark, ground and fire like fighting?

small spruce
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oh yeah you can definitely do better than poison hmm

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water and fairy sound good

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depending on the rest of your team

hoary willow
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ok thanks a lot for the recs

small spruce
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anytime

worthy lynx
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I've been having a hard time winning whether it'd be bulky offense or HO. What's the right strat to get over the hump. I've been kicked back to 1000 elo

small spruce
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Hi, what team have you been using ?

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generally I would suggest using a sample team or a team build by an experienced player

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and that should do most of the work to go at least past 1200

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if you've been playing for a bit you should understand how to pilot them

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you could go healing wish over mystical fire on gardevoir to enable you to be more reckless with okidogi

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but I get why you want to hit jirachi

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you can try something like this which is way more straightforward

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I bet most teams below 1200 get owned by rain

worthy lynx
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How to counter endure-weakness policy armorouge?

small spruce
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for most teams the best is to hit it with special attacking moves to not proc weak armor

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it's easy to revenge kill an armarouge not boosted in speed

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otherwise hippowdon is pretty good to deal with it since endure doesn't protect from sand damage

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priority moves of course work and toxic makes it easier as well

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if you're looking for a Pokemon in particular I could suggest using mixed salamence, crawdaunt, mimikyu, suicune, diancie...

worthy lynx
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small spruce
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yes mimikyu is very good at winning 1v1 against offensive pokemon

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which makes it especially strong in offensive builds

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not so much in balanced ones

worthy lynx
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I've been encountering different blastoise sets such as spin physical def blastoise and rain dish substitute blastoise. Thoughts?

small spruce
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hmm the meta is still in its early stage so for now I'm tempted to just say it sucks

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but maybe with later development it'll be usable

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I think the main thing is that the shell smash set is so good that no one is thinking about using spin

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  • we already have a nearly perfect spinner in the tier yk
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yay or nay

small spruce
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oh definitely yay

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very old style team I love it

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it's very honest which might make it harder to use

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you gotta be on your toes because on paper Iron Leaves tera Fire or Cobalion IronPress can very quickly get dangerous here

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but I mean you have the tools to prevent that from happening

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you have gardevoir pour the rain matchup which is good

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but I would still go tera dragon on hippo to not have to sacrifice a pokemon each time a barraskewda comes in

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because yeah that matchup looks dicey

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the team is good, no doubt about that but I think it'll require a very precise gameplay and like be ready for each small opportunity you have to get in the driver seat and apply pressure

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because hippo-cyclizar-heattom is not a core that will stay healthy long

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but long enough to do something with the other three for sure

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what is the spread on slither wing for ?

worthy lynx
small spruce
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oh ok I see it's the dex set

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You could try using something like Mienshao on that slot

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it'll give more power and a better pivot

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while still being able to check stuff thanks to regenerator

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I think I need a better rocker other than Jirachi and it feels kinda weak into Hippowdon

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As well as opposing Conk

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Though I did put 1 extra point in speed on my Conk to speedcreep opposing Conks but this is probably a bad way to out-conk other conks

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hi, you chose a difficult team archetype to use in the current meta ngl

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so as its an offense, the conk weakness will always more or less be there, good thing is that conk is not that popular rn so you can only make sure you're not too weak to mach punch which is the case in my opinion so all good

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I am not a big fan a rocks Jirachi myself and this mon can definitely find a better role in offense so I would use the Meteor Beam set which is very cool and has seen some usage in top level recently

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so now to get rocks back into the team I would remove conkeldurr or bisharp because you only need one slow wallbreaker with priority and replace it with something like Swampert

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which is a good rocker especially in offense because it can blanket check a lot of threats and then pivot out

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most swampert won't have anything to really damage hippo tho so what you could do is slot hydro pump to surprise them

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I also noticed that the team is very weak to cobalion

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and although using the meteor beam set on jirachi helps with this I would slot Overheat on Cyclizar just to be sure not to deal with too much cobalion

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I would also use the assault vest on cyclizar just to improve the rain matchup a bit because it might get quite hard seeing the team

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Bisharp also always run eviolite since now it can use it and this item gives it a lot of needed bulk to setup comfortably on numerous targets which is always cool in cases of sucker punch endgames

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last change I would make which feels less important but still the team is slow

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and offense don't like that

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so to not change the team too much I would just use the agility set on enamorus to have that sweeping potential even against very fast teams

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given that jirachi can now deal significant damage on special walls thanks to the meteor beam boost, CM can be put aside to put more stress on speed

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something like this

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oh and I changed Bisharp's Tera as well because Ghost is just that good you really want the extra turn it gives to setup or straight kill what's in front of you

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which might be a conk...

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I might have broken the team's title with swampert tho LOL hope it's fine

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Oh wow thank you

viral shard
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it benefits from Jirachi's ability making it very likely to paralyse the target

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if you don't feel that good using a 70% accurate move (you would be right) you can just go with Thunderbolt

viral shard
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oh right its 60% I forgot

small spruce
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yeah it's a trade off

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but oftentimes the para is just huge

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especially in case of 1v1 against other jirachi

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or even better against cyclizar

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if you manage de proc when it switches in then you're golden

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alright this team has lots of good ideas and I wouldn't be surprised if it worked decently the way it is now

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However I think it still stuggles against key matchups of the tier

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and despite having hazards and good pivots I think it will also struggle to actually make progress against bulkier archetypes

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the most glaring weakness here to me is hippowdon, meaning when it gets on the field to check cobalion, cyclizar or zapdos galar you don't really have a safe switch in to earthquake

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you have amoonguss which doesn't take that much but that's it

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so it means matchups where amoonguss will be needed healthy, the sole presence of hippowdon will for sure get you in trouble

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I'm thinking here of Pokemon such as Enamorus-T or all the fighting types we have currently being Mienshao, Slither Wing, Terrakion and so on

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which your team struggles against as well tbh

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another defensive mon the team might have trouble not being weakened by is Moltres

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it can switch on both amoonguss and gastrodon and after that it's a brave bird fest

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these issues would be fine if you had effective means to pressure you're opponent to make sure these Pokemons can't get in that easily

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however your means of pressure are scarf locked zapdos and sub gengar which is a bit underwhelming for the current state of the tier

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btw gengar not being able to hit cyclizar and even giving a facade boost to many of them sounds awkward to me, I think you would prefer a poison stab over pain split recovery

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now I've been thinking while writing this about a simple solution that wouldn't imply changing too much

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and I think the easiest would be to change gastrodon for salamence

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it would bring more offensive pressure, especially some that both gengar and zapdos can benefit from + hippo and moltres are no longer an issue since they can't do much to salamence but are threatened back when it gets in

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  • you keep gastrodon's resistances to fire and water while gaining an extra fighting one with intimidate
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the downside is that you lose the spike aspect of the team

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which I think isn't too bad

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let me get the set

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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpA / 196 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Hurricane
  • Flamethrower
  • Roost
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this is what I use

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the speed allows you to outspeed okigogi and gardevoir full speed as well as anything slower like necrozma or blastoise and revavroom

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you can go tera water instead of tera steel since you have two poison types already and might need extra insurance against rain

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I like how in depth this is, thank you

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oop

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Btw do you think the Cob + Gastro core could still work on a different team or nah

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if you struggle to meaningfully damage empoleon you can try a mixed salamence like this

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Salamence @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 60 SpA / 196 Spe
Naive Nature

  • Draco Meteor
  • Hurricane
  • Earthquake
  • Roost
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also as thundurus-therian is arguably one of the most broken mon in the tier rn I would advise investing some EVs in SpD for cyclizar

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you can afford it since the team is now quite fast

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EVs: 252 HP / 88 SpD / 168 Spe

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something like this still allows you to oustpeed gengar and thundurus

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and tbh even like this it still carries many games for me

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or a palossand to spinblock and deal with the fightings

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or both for a bulky team

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Ic

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I'll definitely start using the improved mence team tho now I wanna try that cob + gastro + molt + pallo core

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What last two would you recommend there

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so I could just slap it together

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cyclizar + Iron Leaves maybe

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with offensive cobalion

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could be lilligant hisui too

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something that can come in late game and sweep easily

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less but it might be enough if you slot Stone Edge

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Ok so probably the standard set but with stedge over heavy slam

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With taunt or volt switch in last probably

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Hi. I came across Pinkacross video about ranking all team style and I came across this style called which is Hazard Stack Bulky Balance which the win condition is stacking spikes and rocks and knock off opponent's HDB and with this team construction requires pokemon that can absorb knock off and pokemon that can have knock off to apply pressure.

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alright so yes hazard stack is an interesting archetype and definitely on the rise at the moment so good idea

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however it is quite hard to build because as you probably know, the best pokemon in the tier is Cyclizar and it can very effectively come in and destroy all your efforts at stacking hazards

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on your team for instance it can easily come in on deoxys and thundurus

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so the goal of hazard stack is to have something able to deal with cyclizar

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just like gholdengo is mandatory in OU's hazard stack teams you will need a ghost type

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unfortunately we don't have such insane Pokemon here so our ghost options are quite limited

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I would say you have 3 routes

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the first and the easiest is to use palossand because it is the only ghost type that can effectively prevent cyclizar from spinning the hazards away

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this often turns the team towards a more bulky and slow structure

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the second is to use a frailer ghost type such as gengar or basculegion to also try and prevent cyclizar from spinning

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but the issue is that these pokemon can't take à knock off very well from cyclizar so it's a mindgame to know if the opponent will try to spin even if you have a ghost type

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these teams are more offense oriented and have to apply pressure constantly to prevent cyclizar to come in too easily and trigger these mindgames

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the last options is to not use a ghost type but to have a cyclizar lure to take it out early in the game

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now the tier doesn't have many of these but the prime ones are focus blast thundurus or body press volcanion

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of course you can still use a tera ghost to turn one of your pokemon into a spin blocker as well but I would advise having another answer to cyclizar and not just use such an important resource like this

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so the easy fix of your team would be to add focus blast on thundurus-t

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like this

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you also don't need to have two spikes setters so I put stealth rock on deoxys and used scarf krook and life orb mienshao

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which are traditional sets

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if you want to try something more solid and reliant on hazard stack with palossand hit me up and I'll help you

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its recovery is even better than hippo's because it benefits from hippo's sand being everywhere

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which is pretty cool

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and hold a custap berry to withstand knock off

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I think you mean colbur berry

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but yeah it's a good idea

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but if you use it with chesnaught you can have boots on your palo since ches will absorb koff like a champ

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if i include ps who should I remove

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deoxys

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one important thing about palossand in hazard stack

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it still takes 45 from cyclizar's draco meteor

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so you have to be careful and keep it above that 45 and even 50 line until you are sure about cyclizar's last move

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as it could be many other things tbh

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this is why boots are pretty good on it too

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it's usually good to have something to scout these things like a jirachi or cobalion but it's not really mandatory

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you could go jirachi on krookodile to patch this and add a steel type on the team which is always a good thing

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otherwise scarf gardevoir might be a issue

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np

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that looks way better

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you can even go scorching sands on palossand

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instead of earth power

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I'm curious, why's ps running scorching sands over ep? Is it bc of the bonus burn?

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Yes it’s the same as why run scald over surf really

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ahem

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chatot pranking hours

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I saw the usage stats and what caught my attention is Forretress at number 10. How come it gained lots of usage?

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it was always quite high tbh

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except in march I think because of the dlc shifts

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but it's a ladder favorite

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I'm pretty sure it's the lowest ranked RU mon in the VR

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in C iirc

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so it should drop

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but people just love the role compression

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hazards + spin + pivot + pretty tanky gets people going

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ig yeah but cyclizar is not staying in on it oftentimes

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and it has a pretty major 4mss

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6 good pokemons so you can't really go wrong

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however I think it could use a bit of refinement

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I see two routes: first you could make the jirachi bulkier on the special side to cover more threats in tandem with hippowdon

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I think you could also have psychic noise on u-turn to facilitate the work of iron leaves and enamorus but weakening stuff like moltres or cobalion

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moltres does look a bit hard to play around if it gets in on hippo, leaves or enamorus

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so I would go tera fire on leaves

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which I personally like more and more now because slither wing seems to be used more for some reason

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the second route would be to switch hippo for krookodile

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you keep the ground and add an insurance against fat psychic cm setup like reuniclus or cresselia

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and get rid of wish tect on jirachi for something a bit more threatening like calm mind and meteor beam

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someone used a very cool jirachi set last week of rupl actually hold on

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Psychic Noise
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Wish
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great set and it abuses a lot of common structures in the tier as you can see on the replay

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so you can use that as well

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for krook I'd go lefties stealth rocks 3 attacks

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or 2 attacks + taunt

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it'll bring more offense in the team and round up the structure a bit better in my opinion because the slow mode hippowdon and jirachi bring to the team here doesn't look that intuitive

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if you go with krook maybe use tera water on jirachi and/or enamorus to help with the rain mu

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dogi wish pass is a good idea

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however, oftentimes you really don't need boots on a pokemon that resists stealth rock so you might as well just use leftovers

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still regarding the dogi set, I don't think you need both fighting stab, here you can go bulk up to apply some pressure, or use psychic fang to beat opposing okidogi and stuff like amoonguss or fezandipiti

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because you have wish rachi I guess you could also go assault vest and put more EVs in offense so that you can switch in more often on special attackers

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you should also use a defensive tera on okidogi because it is quite slow and therefore weak to revenge kill, tera fairy is the best tera in general but you can also go tera dark to nail the psychic types that want to threaten you

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now for the rest of the team

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you have a lot of pivot move, which is great to get bisharp and dogi on the field, but here 4 is too much

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you can drop u-turn on jirachi and slot stealth rocks and include hazards in this team who desperately needs chip damage to help basculegion

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bisharp should also have a defensive tera for the same reason as dogi

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usually tera ghost, flying or fairy are preferred

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the rest looks fine

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now if you want to go a bit further your team is very weak to thundurus which is a major threat at the moment and weak to ground + rock coverage as well like some hippowdon like to run

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the ho matchup is not great either but it should still be doable

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what you could do here is replace bisharp with your own thundurus

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I can see a nasty plot set with tbolt sludge wave and focus blast for instance

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you can also go 4 attacks and slot grass knot